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built big delegate leads. >> we have a very dynamic party. >> the candidates who have not yet won a state, who have not racked up significant delegates, i ask you to prayerfully consider our coming together. unite i uniting. >> they're declaring marco rubio the big loser, that's true. he didn't win anything. >> they're saying we're the underdogs. we will win. >> the only way to beat donald trump is to stand together united. do not nominate a candidate who will drive the party off course. >> it's only too bad that winner didn't take all because if winner took all, this thing is
over. we're just having a celebration. >> and you heard ted cruz there, all but begging marco rubio and the rest of the republicans to clear out the field for him. that is why the republican party is calling this doom and gloom. it could divide them in a way not seen in more than 50 years. meanwhile, on the democratic side hillary clinton putting up wins by some huge margins in some states last night, in some cases by more than 30 points, but at the same time bernie sanders did win enough to keep fighting. said he's going to do just that. >> thank you all so much. what a super tuesday! >> at the end of tonight 15 states will have voted, 35
states remain. we are going to take our fight for economic justice, for social justice, for environmental sanity, for a world of peace to every one of those states. >> now this campaign moves forward to the crescent city, the motor city and beyond. >> and let's take a deeper dive and look at where hillary clinton rolled up the numbers last night. victories in a number of states including southern states, tennessee, arkansas. that's where she was the first lady many years ago. virginia, texas, georgia, alabama, american samoa had caucuses. perhaps the biggest single win for clinton last night though was in massachusetts. that was a neck in neck state, one that bernie sanders badly wanted to win. one where clinton made late appearances. she pulled out a key win late last night denying sanders a marquis victory. that does not mean, however, that bernie sanders was without victories of his own. he took his native vermont. he also claimed caucuses in
minnesota, a big margin there, big delegates for him, too. also in colorado and a bit of surprise, maybe he picked up oklahoma as well. a total of four states for bernie sanders. so what does that do to the all important delegate map on the democratic side? at this hour, here's where it stands. this is our nbc estimate of the democratic race. there are 2,383 delegates that you need to be the nominee. you see hillary clinton closing in on 1,000 in our official count. there are still delegates coming in from last night. when all is said and done, hillary clinton should be over 1,000. bernie sanders sitting at about 400. hillary clinton getting close to halfway and certainly has the momentum on her side after last night. now meanwhile, on the republican side, take a look at how the night broke down for donald trump. you see it there. he won in different regions last night. he won big in massachusetts. maybe his biggest single margin in any state, but at the same time he won in the heart of dixie. he won georgia, he won alabama,
he won tennessee. he held off marco rubio in virginia. rubio doing very well in the d.c. suburbs, but trump winning in the rural areas and pulling off the win there. he also took vermont narrowly over john kasich and the state of arkansas. ted cruz, meanwhile, maybe a little better than people had been expecting. we knew texas was a do or die state for him. he did. he won texas. but he also pulled off a victory at oklahoma and while you were sleeping last night, the final returns came in from alaska. ted cruz winning the caucuses out there narrowly over donald trump. i think a two-point victory when all is said and done. ted cruz puts three wins on the board yesterday and meanwhile marco rubio, the knock on marco rubio had been has he won a single state yet? now 15 contests in he can say that he's won a single state. he took the caucuses in minnesota. but, again, the rubio campaign was hoping for more last night, especially in virginia. now let's take a look at where this republican delegate race
stands right now. again, this is the nbc estimate at this hour. donald trump, we have him closing in at 300. there are more delegates to be tallied from last night though. we think that when all is said and done trump will be sitting at about 340 after last night, cruz at about 230, rubio about 110. what is the all-important number on the republican side? the magic number, 1,237. the bad news for ted cruz is this. last night on papers, demographically, those were some of the best states in the country for him in the south. maybe he needed more if he was going to catch donald trump. now that the battleground shifts away, marco rubio not the dell will he gaut ha will he gate haul he was looking for. in texas, alabama, even in vermont you had to hit a certain percentage of the vote statewide to get any votes. he missed thresholds. a split field if that's what emerges from tonight, you shift
now to states that might be a little more friendly coming up in the not so distant future for him, you have the state of michigan, home state of new york hasn't gone yet, pennsylvania, illinois is coming up shortly. a chance here for donald trump to rack up even more delegates and the rules shift easier to get delegates if you're winning these states going forward. that's where the republican states stand. despite those results, looks like none of the republicans, including john kasich, none of them are planning to leave the race any time soon. what is next? saturday, 150 delegates up. kansas, missouri, maiississippi. the big one that day, that will be michigan. all eyes will be on the wolverine state. then march 15th we're looking at five more states. florida. that will be do or die for mark key rubio k. ohio, that will be do or die for john kasich, the
ohio governor. a total of 367 delegates being handed out that day. is that the day that donald trump can put his opponents out of this race for good? we will see. in the meantime jacob rascon has been covering the race and also with me, peter alexander who was at trump's event last night and, peter, we will start with you. sort of an unconventional event last night for donald trump. unconventional way for an unconventional candidate to celebrate what was a pretty big night for him. >> reporter: yeah, it was definitely a super tuesday for donald trump. not great but certainly good. right now across the intercoastal water way from his private club and residence. he's enjoying a down day for the first time in a while as he tries to let these numbers settle in and america is settling in to the fact that donald trump is truly the prohibitive favorite going into last night. he demonstrated wide appeal in the deep south, lopsided wins in places like alabama and in the
northeast in places like massachusetts with a big victory there as well. turnout numbers are stunning. he's bringing new people into the party suggesting that he's the man that can unify the party. i had the first question, a news conference being hosted last night. i asked him about the divisions within the republican party including republican senator who said that he's not going to vote for trump. they have to rally around the third party option. >> we have expanded the republican party. when you look at what's happened in south carolina and you see the kind of numbers that we got in terms of extra people coming in, they came from the democratic party or the democrat party or the democrats and their long-time democrats and they were never going to switch and they all switched and they were independents. we've actually expanded the party. that hasn't happened to the republican party in many, many
decades. >> consider this fact on turnout. 15 states voted on the republican side, they have had record turnout in all but one of them. that was the state of vermont. the numbers we're witnessing this time around among republicans are similar to the outside numbers we saw barack obama bring into the votes in 2008. hunl numbers. republicans outpacing democrats. donald trump with eyes looking towards the general election. less of the bomb bass particular positive things to say about topics like planned parenthood and other things that have traditional republicans in this country right now not just rolling their eyes but rolling in their grays as they see donald trump as the man taking over the party. >> peter alexander down there in florida. thanks for that.
now jacob rascon in a colder climate up in detroit. detroit the site of the next republican debate. that's coming up tomorrow night. donald trump while he still deals with a very active primary fight on his hands, keeping an eye on hillary clinton as well. >> reporter: he is and he's doing what a lot of people thought that he would do, even some of those we've talked to at his rallies. i've talked to dozens and dozens of people, very unscientific and random sampling, but many people have told me they voted obama and now they're going over to trump because they always believed, they said, that they're seeing past the sharper rhetoric and that donald trump would eventually move closer to the center. we're seeing that now and again. he talked about secretary clinton and of course he talked about marco rubio and ted cruz. we've seen him do this a number of times where he mentions them. he said they worked hard, did a
good job. now focusing on secretary clinton. here's what they had to say. >> i watched hillary's speech and she's talking about wages have been poor and everything's poor, everything is doing greatly. she's been there for so long. i mean, if she hasn't straightened it out by now, she's not going to straighten it out in the next four years. it's going to become worse and worse. she wants to make america whole again and i'm trying to figure out what is that all about? make america great again is going to be much better than making america whole again. >> reporter: as peter said, he said, look, i'm bringing in all of these new people. i'm here to unify the party. it's a different message to some, to the camp that says this is the make america great again movement. we're on the train. then on the other side you have the never trump. it will be interesting to see if
his opponents stand a chance. steve? >> jacob rascon in detroit. thanks for that. ted cruz insists he is the only one who can take down donald trump but he told our own halle jackson that the rest of the candidates need to get out of their way first. >> i think the people who are running, all of them love this country. they're putting this country first and if it becomes clear to a candidate that that candidate does not have a path to the nomination, has not been able to win a state in 15 contests, has not been able to rack up considerable delegates, i think there comes a point where you have to ask, do you want drump to -- donald trump to be the nominee? >> i want to bring in mo brooks. he's one of the chairs of cruz's campaign. thank you for joining us. let me just ask you that. ted cruz wants a one-on-one shot with donald trump. ted cruz won a couple of states last night. rubio did get that win in minnesota but nowhere else. is it time for marco rubio to get out of this race? >> certainly if john kasich or
ben carson get out, that helps the anti-trump forces coalesce behind marco rubio or ted krus. if marco rubio gets out ted cruz will be the republican nominee. i want to take a minute and focus on an entirely different perspective from what i've been hearing last night on the major networks and this morning. by way of background, i've been a student of public policy and political science for four decades. i've held elected office for three decades. i've been to republican national conventions. ted cruz had a really good night last night and he won his home state and he won bonuses of oklahoma and alaska. marco rubio did what he needed to do to stay in the race having won minnesota. the big loser contrary to what you're seeing everywhere else was donald trump. maybe he doesn't realize it yet. maybe the people in the mainstream media don't realize it but let me explain what i mean. donald trump's achilles heel was extremely exposed last night. further the key is not how many
states you win, the key is how many delegates you get. donald trump is not getting the delegates he needs to win be a first ballot fight at the republican national convention. there are two types of caucuses or primaries. one is open where anybody can vote. in alabama we had democrats voting in the republican primary to help elect donald trump because they thought he was weaker. another type is closed primaries where only republican voters can vote and republican voters want a nominee who best represents their party and their wishes for america, someone with honor, someone with dignity, someone who shares our moral values and the public policies that are necessary to make us a better country and with donald trump he has now lost 80%, four out of five of the closed primary states where republican voters are choosing the republican nominee. upcoming we have over 20 states that are closed. if donald trump keeps that losing record only winning one out of five with over 1,000 delegates being distributed in
these upcoming 20 closed primary and caucus states, donald trump is in a world of trouble. >> you're putting this on the open primary on crossover voting, with you lebut let's tat your home state. a very heavy evangelical population, a state that demographically and culturally is exactly the kind of state that ted cruz has been targeting in his campaign. your state, alabama last night, went by a more than two to one margin, donald trump. there it is, donald trump 43%, ted cruz 21, rubio 19. add cruz and rubio together, you still don't get trump's number. you can't put that all on mischievous democrats crossing over. >> no, i'm not talking about mischievous democrats, i'm talking about nonrepublicans. if we had been a closed state where only republicans had been allowed to vote, then i think you would have seen a much different vote. how do i know that? i know that from the five states. iowa, alaska, minnesota, oklahoma that are closed, only republicans voting and donald trump has lost. in fact, in minnesota he came in
third. that's a big loss for donald trump. so we can -- we can talk about alabama if we wish. we can talk about other states if we wish, but i think the real key that a lot of people are missing is the dynamics of a closed primary system versus an open primary system and how we've got 20 plus states upcoming that are closed and donald trump's track record with closed primaries has been very bad winning just 20% while other people have won 80% and upcoming those 20 states account for over 1,000 delegates. so donald trump, he has some real challenges. most people think it's donald trump's to win or lose, i disagree. i think it's very much a tossup. quite frankly, if ben carson and john kasich drop out and it's down to three candidates, donald trump is the likely loser in that he is alienating so many people in the republican party ranks through his callous insults and other things he's done, it's going to be very hard for him to get a single rubio delegate or kasich delegate or cruz delegate to vote for him at
the republican national convention. that's all that counts. >> congressman mo brooks from alabama. thanks for the time. i appreciate it. let's bring in elyse jordan, former senior policy adviser to the rand paul campaign. you heard the cruz take on this. my read of the map looking forward is there is a path that i see for trump to hit that magic number. if he keeps winning at the rates we're seeing and if everybody wins he will cross that 1237. it looks to me like the best hope if you're rubio, cruz, kasich, anybody else, maybe you're not going to hit the number yourself but you can prevent trump from hitting it. >> exactly. >> that seems to be the best and only antitrump scenario. >> i think that's the only case scenario. cruz campaign trying to push this into being a two-person race, that really doesn't benefit republicans who are anti-trump necessarily. what are cruz's states? he had the best shot at any real dominance yesterday.
that was his day and he did not -- >> yeah, right. >> sec primary was made for cruz. >> he didn't meet his own expectations. for the entirety of his campaign that was the lynchpin of his strategy and he failed to dominate on that day. i think going forward republicans really need to just take a hard look at what's going on. i think kasich needs to be competitive in ohio and lock up the winner take all. in florida support needs to go behind rubio so rubio can lock up florida. i think looking at -- or rubio also has to make a hard look and should he drop out if he's not going to win florida? he's, i feel like, posed -- it's a pretty big question. what's rubio going to do if march 15 -- is he going to fail in florida? he's young. he needs to have viability in the state and it is not a good thing for him to lose a presidential primary. >> what are you expecting over the next few weeks from the
quote, unquote, republican establishment. whatever that term means. some say the donor class. there is a donor class that has a lot of money that doesn't like donald trump. they've already started to -- they're really over the next two weeks going to come after donald trump hard. what are the longer term implications of that though if that happens? >> i think the longer term is the hope of the donor class would be that they can organize and they can put their money behind the organizing for a contested convention. this is just total long shot, i can't believe that this is even coming into such probability. i still give it probably about 25%. last week i was at 20. but because so much organization is required for the delegates going into the convention that maybe that would be the hope that they could best trump that way. still, i don't know what that does to the other races. and do you lose control at the house? do you lose control of the senate because you've alienated so many trump voters who are going to come out? really it's such a tricky line to navigate.
what do republican elites do? >> i want to put this up. we asked this in the exit poll. this is an exit poll across all the states. we asked republican voters would you be dissatisfied with so and so as the republican nominee. basically the number is at or above 50% for all of them. i think it was the lowest for rubio at 50. trump was up there at 56. i don't know if we have that. they're all over 50. is this a party that can be put-back together after a process like this? >> i don't know. i think that there's so much wreckage with trump and also his unfavorables are so high, around 55% pretty consistently. that's a scary thing going into a general against hillary clinton. also, that prospect for me of trump going into a general against hillary clinton, arifyp because he clearly can't control himself when he's attacking a female. his worst moments on the campaign have been so gender dominated. i really feel going up against a strong, powerful, smart woman
like hillary clinton. all of her baggage there for him to attack, that's very problematic for trump. >> you said 25 -- you're at 25% of an open convention. you're at 75% trump wins it, 25% open convention? >> yes zwr for whatever those odds are worth. >> that sounds about right. right now bernie sanders top advisers are hosting a post super tuesday strategy breakfast in his hometown of burlington, vermont. sanders took vermont and three other states last night, but the night really did belong to hillary clinton. after the break we're going to turn to the democratic race. a little later on i'm going to talk to one of clinton's key supporters, labor secretary tom brent. sfx: car driving. ♪ sfx: engine revving. ♪ ♪
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great. we have to make america whole. we have to fill in. >> we bring our people together when we do not allow the donald trumps of the world to divide us up. >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders using their speeches last night to target donald trump. let's take another look at last night's super tuesday results on the democratic side. a big night for hillary clinton. she won the most states. she won the most delegates. you see the list there. she won in new england, she won in the south, she won in virginia. sort of in between as well. in terms of bernie sanders, he did take four states, colorado, minnesota, oklahoma, also his home state of vermont. now for the democrats it is on to weekend contests, kansas, louisiana, nebraska, maine. all of them up this saturday. then primaries in michigan and mississippi next tuesday. on the campaign trail today bernie sanders just held a path forward breakfast in his
hometown of burlington, vermont. he's going to go across new hampshire and into maine and on to michigan for some events there. clinton, meanwhile, will be holding a post super tuesday rally right here in new york city tonight in a private fund-raiser at radio city music hall. let's head down to miami where hillary clinton made her victory speech last night. nbc's kristen welker has been following the democratic campaigns. kristen, from hillary clinton's standpoint their dream scenario last night would have been win them all except vermont. they didn't quite get there. they're clearly in command of this race right now. is that going to affect the way she talks about bernie sanders? is that going to allow her to pivot more to the general election going forward? >> oh, i think you are absolutely right, steve. we've already seen that strategy start to take effect. listen to her speech last night, she barely mentioned senator sanders. last night was a very strong night for her. you're right, it wasn't the dream scenario, but she did sweep those southern states. her southern fire wall held and
she got a lot of support among african-americans. she built upon that in south carolina beating sanders in some states that we mentioned, steve, by 80 or 90 points. those are resounding victories among african-americans, and she did pivot to the general election in her comments taking direct aim at donald trump. she never mentioned him by name, by the way, but it was very clear who she was talking about. take a listen. >> it's clear tonight that the stakes in this election have never been higher, and the rhetoric we're hearing on the other side has never been lower. trying to divide america between us and them is wrong and we're not going to let it work. >> for his part, senator sanders showing no signs of getting out of this race. look, he raised $40 million last month, steve, $5 million in one day alone. the online donations continue to
pour in. and his campaign says that they still see a path to victory. they are focusing on states like michigan, like delegate rich ohio. they believe they have a shot. senator sanders telling his supporters last night not to give up. listen to what he had to say. >> this is not a general election, it's not winner take all. if you get 52%, you get 48%, you roughly end up with the same amount of delegates in a state. by the end of tonight we are going to win many hundreds of delegates. >> reporter: as you see there, steve, still has a lot of enthusiasm, but at the end of the day this comes down to math. the clinton campaign says they'll be able to put the race out of mid to late march. florida votes on the 15th. >> nbc's kristen welker down there in miami. thanks for that, kristen.
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joining me is a senior adviser to accept be tore rubio, jason roe. jason, ted cruz looks at the results, i won three states, i won iowa, i've won four of these states. trump's won more but i've put four on the board. rubio can only point to the minnesota caucuses at this point. he's won one of the first 15. cruz says there's a much better case for me getting one on one versus cruz than rubio. what do you say to that? >> well, i don't think polling bears that out. i think there's no doubt that both senator cruz and senator rubio certainly did better than what expectations were. you know, everything that i was hearing in the media was that donald trump was going to sweep last night and win ten, all 11 and he did not do that, didn't come close to doing that. if you look across the 11 states, senator rubio performed better than cruz on ball in each of them. it's obvious that senator cruz put a couple victories on the board, but this is about a delegate count and we are only 15 states into the 52 states and
territories that are going to be casting votes. we are a long way from finished and we're two weeks before florida where senator rubio's home state. we are promising a win and that is 99 delegates. that's a winner take allstate. that's a very important place for us to focus. >> it is, bill. let me ask you about that. the polls right now have rubio trailing in florida, but let's say, you know, you guys pull that one out. you will put a big effort in there, no doubt about it. it's still only his home state. it's a big state, a winner take allstate, but you've got to win nationally. if you've got to put all of that effort into just winning your home state, doesn't that say something? >> i don't think we're putting all of our effort in there. we have ten more primaries before we even get to florida. so there's a lot yet to happen until we even get to that point but, you know, you've got people like john kasich and ben carson that are kind of lingering without any path to victory whatsoever that are draining some of the aunti-trump support
that we think we can consolidate. frankly, ted cruz was in single digits. he was polling below ben carson and john kasich. when you look at broad appeal in terms of being able to unify the conservative movement and the republican party and your ability to win in november, there's not a candidate that's better situated to do that than marco. >> we had ben begiginsberg on t set and he was basically saying, if you're marco rubio, ted cruz, anyone not named donald trump who doesn't want donald trump to be the nominee of the republican party, your best bet right now is not that rubio breaks the magic number of delegates in the primary or that cruz breaks the magic number of delegates, it's denying donald trump the outright majority in the primary and going to the open convention that we've never seen in the modern political era. is that a fair assessment, the open convention is the way to stop him than beating him in the
open primaries? >> that's a last resort that every campaign is going to need to prepare for. last night months ne months of campaign has been a circus. the idea of a broke jerld convention and having to fight it out is going to continue the entertainment that is the reality show character donald trump. this is not, i think, a process that is becoming for nominating the next president of the united states. when you look at donald trump's behavior, this is not behavior that i would tolerate in my 6-year-old but somehow folks are tolerating it in donald trump and i think it's an embarrassment. >> can i just ask you about that though. you're talking about his behavior, but marco rubio in the last week, it seems like he made a strategic shift to mimic donald trump's behavior. you have him out there saying the guy has small hands. you know what that means. isn't marco rubio doing the same kind of stuff that donald trump is doing? >> i think those were things that marco was having fun on the
stump trying to fire up the crowd. that doesn't represent his critiques of donald trump's business record, the lawsuits he's dealing with, the hiring of illegal immigrants, things like that. those are the substantive things that we should be talking about rather than focusing on marco having a little fun at donald trump's expense. donald trump is taking it to a different level. if anyone even mildly criticizes him he takes to twitter, he calls people losers, he berates anyone that he disagrees with. it's not what we expect in a guy that we want our children to grow up and emulate the president of the united states. i think it's an embarrassment and i think our country has become an international joke because of donald trump. >> jason row, senior adviser to marco rubio. thanks for the time. >> thanks, steve. after the break i'm going to be joined by labor secretary and hillary clinton supporter, tom perez. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics.
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last night, let's check in with the hillary clinton campaign. we're joined now by the united states secretary of labor, tom perez. he's also a hillary clinton supporter. mr. secretary, thanks for joining us this morning. i want to start actually by playing -- this is just new in the last few minutes. one of the top aides to bernie sanders was speaking to bernie sanders supporters in vermont laying out the path forward for his campaign as he sees it and for hillary clinton for that matter. this is what he has to say about hillary clinton and the path forward. >> hillary clinton does not consistently win in the weeks and months ahead in big states and in small. questions will arise around her candidacy. they'll coal leesce. the number will be substantially different. just curious to get your reaction to that? >> first of all, steve, it's great to be here in my personal capacity on behalf of secretary clinton. when i listen to that statement
i can't help but think of what happened last night on super tuesday. the strength of secretary clinton's coalition and it's important to dissect it. you look at texas, 30% roughly of the voters were latino. she won over 70% of the vote. you look at the state of massachusetts and you see, i'm a kennedy democrat. i used to work for senator kennedy, and kennedy democrats supported hillary clinton. that's the same state that elected elizabeth warren and ted kennedy. you look at african-american voters and remarkable strength there. and then you also look at white voters and if you take out the state of vermont from yesterday and you look at counties that are more than 90% white, steve, she won those counties by roughly 10%. then you look at what she did with women. women carried her to victory in massachusetts. women carried her to victory in virginia. you look at union households. she won that in iowa. she won that in nevada.
she won that on super tuesday. a very broad coalition because she's all about breaking down barriers and building opportunities for everyone. donald trump wants to build walls. she wants to break down beearris and that's why this coalition is so important. one more data point, steve. you look at super tuesday 2008 and there were, i think, twice as many states. and at the end of that night senator obama had a net advantage of ten delegates pledged on that evening. you look at last night and she had a net advantage of 175 delegates, something like that. in other words, she kicked butt last night, and she really built that broad coalition that is a tribute to what she stands for and the great work that she's done in the past and how she's going to build on the progress of this president to expand health care and make sure she
expands opportunities for everyone. >> well, i take the point. we just put the delegate numbers up there on the screen. she is in much better position than she was eight years ago against barack obama. certainly if you look at the path to getting a delegate majority you can clearly see it for her right now. that said, if you take a look back at last night and the totality of this campaign. bernie sanders won oklahoma, we know he won his home state of vermont, colorado, minnesota. he won new hampshire earlier. there are a few other states you can look at, at least a few others down the line where he very well may win. if at the start of this campaign you had said that bernie sanders, a self-declared socialist from vermont was going to go out and win 10, 12 states against former secretary of state, former senator, former first lady hillary clinton, there aren't many people, i think, who would have believed that. what does that say in the big picture, even if she wings the nomination, even if she wins it comfortably, that there was this faction in the democratic party that would choose bernie sanders
over her many as in as many as 10, 12 states. >> i have great respect for senator sanders. i think the campaign he's run has been impressive. he's touched a nerve among voters. the issues he's brought up of income inequality are real issues. you compare the debates between the two democrats with the debacle that you see in the republican side, i'm waiting for jerry springer to come out in the next debate and start throwing chairs in the next republican debate. so i appreciate what senator sanders has done. at the same time, you look at the breadth and depth of the coalition that secretary clinton has built and it is america. and who got the most votes yesterday on super tuesday of any candidate, republican or democrat? it was secretary clinton. and so we're well positioned to move forward and we're well positioned because we have a candidate who has an optimistic
vision for america that understands we inherited a mess from the bush administration. president obama has made tremendous progress notwithstanding the opposition from the far right and we have unfinished business. and she has a plan to make sure that we move forward. she's a progressive that makes progress. and she understands as ted kennedy taught me and president obama taught me, that idealism and pragmatism are not mutually exclusive. i think voters whether it's massachusetts or whether it's michigan in a couple weeks, ohio, florida, i think that message is really resonating. that's why she has not only the delegate wind at her back but equally importantly she has people coming together around her candidacy. >> final question. if she asked you to be her running mate, would you do it? >> i'm not focused on that at all. i'm focused on my day job at the labor department and i'm focused on helping secretary clinton get the nomination and then win in november so that we can build
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organized candidate could probably go into some democratic dominated district, meaning there aren't a lot of republicans. if you're organized, yod you could get your three elected delegates. there's potential. kasich plans to come in march 9, cruz, march 11. a lot depends on whether or not the trump crew is organized. >> caitlin, we have been talking about it so much on the show today, the idea of can the other candidates, the non-trump candidates, deny him that delegate majority in the primaries. i'm trying to play it out. let's say maybe cruz stopped him this saturday, louisiana is up. maybe cruz could pull that out somehow. maybe rubio wins florida on the 15th. maybe rubio is able to get delegates in illinois like we're talking about. could you see the path there to stopping him or is this a run away train? >> i think at this point, it looks like a run-away train. you made a great point earlier about how the contested convention is no longer a pipe dream. it's really now the first resort. and so, i think that the trouble
for these candidates, of course, is that there is no sign of any cohesion or coalescing around an alternative, and i don't think we'll see that anytime soon, even if they do contest the ballot, it's not like trump is going to go quietly into the night. this is going to be a long drawn out process and a long convention if that's the route they choose. >> if we play it out that far to the convention, if we get there and trump comes in with the most delegates, but he doesn't come in with the majority, i'm trying to imagine the scenario where the republicans deny him the nomination. nat would be giving up the general election i think right there. >> call this the insurrection chapter of the reality show. it would be -- it's already a mess for the republican party right now. steve, this is exactly what they tried to avoid, as you have discussed many times on your show. no one could have seen it, an asymmetric candidate who is not dependent on the donor class. so you have this unique
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donald trump general election, unless something dramatic happens on both sides. after a record number of republican voters turned out, donald trump dominated contests in seven states. looks like a clear rejection of the gop establishment, although trump sees it differently. >> people are going to find that hard to believe, but believe me, i am a unifier. once we get all of this finished, i'm going to go after one person. that's hillary clinton. >> so if you don't like donald trump, the cold, hard truth is this, republicans now have two weeks before the march 15th contest to change the course of history. >> if donald trump is the nominee, i think republicans get clobbered. i think we lose the senate, we lose to hillary clinton, we lose the supreme court for a generation in the bill of rig rights. >> trump won alabama, he won arkansas, georgia, virginia, tennessee, massachusetts, and vermont. ted cruz won his home state of texas, although he didn't win a
majority. he also won neighboring oklahoma and alaska. marco rubio scored his first victory in minnesota, but he only came in second in two states. georgia and virginia. so here's where the delegate count stands. donald trump firmly in the lead, 292 delegates. ted cruz, 188. rubio with 98 delegates. 1237 are needed to clinch the nomination. hillary clinton, meantime, tightening her grip on the party's nomination, crushing bernie sanders in the south among african-americans and latino voters. she turned her focus now to the republican front-runner. >> america never stopped being great. we have to make america whole. i believe what we need in america today is more love and kindness. >> hillary clinton won seven super tuesday states, including massachusetts, which she clinched late last night, without elizabeth warren's endorsement. that's the only woman senator
who has not endorsed her. bernie sanders won in vermont, minnesota, oklahoma, and colorado. so, clinton now has 979 delegates. bernie sanders, 382. she's almost halfway to the nomination. our team of reporters all spread out across the country coffveri every single twist and turn in this race. let's start with peter alexander covering every angle of this gop race. he joins us from palm beach, florida. that's is at least if you look at mar-a-lago, donald trump country. so peter, yeah, the campaign -- and by the way, tough assignment. the campaign knows the establishment is now coalescing against them. what's the battle plan? >> well, let's be clear in terms of the tough assignment. we're going to detroit later today, where it's snowing for the debate that picks up tomorrow. but to give you a sense about the establishment coalescing around somebody else, donald trump yesterday during this news conference was clear about it. he said basically, it would be undemocratic for the party to try to do something to try to
subvert what we have been wincing across this country right now. record turnout, largely supporting donald trump, winning 10 out of 15 states so far. he says you simply couldn't do that. it would be against the will of the people. he was magnanimous as he spoke of ted cruz and more critical as he spoke of marco rubio. calling him again a big loser. he focused most of his fire on his likely opponent, if he is to be in a general election, that of course is hillary clinton. >> i watched hillary's speech and she's talking about wages have been poor and everything is poor, and everything is doing badly, but we're -- she's been there for so long. i mean, if she hasn't straightened it out by now, she's not going to straighten it out in the next four years. it's just going to become worse and worse. >> some of the big breaks obviously last night also fell in the favor of ted cruz, picking up three states, including alaska, that we called earlier this morning. the biggest challenge was for marco rubio who wanted to finish
second in a lot of states. ultimately, finished in third, including in tennessee where he had the endorsement of bill haslam, the republican governor, lamar alexander as well. he mished the threshold in states like alabama and texas. chris. >> thank you so much. nbc's peter alexandser, headed to michigan. we have two key players in the top trump movement now. let me bring in virginia republican congressman scott ridgell. he wrote a letter saying a trump nomination would be nothing short of catastrophic. >> good morning. >> good morning, chris. >> i want to read to you some of the headlines out today from politico, camp, the day the republican party ruptured, the times, the gop split widens to a chasm. the post, the republicans have two weeks to take down trump. what do you do to stop him?
>> well, i first of all, i reject the charge i'm in part of the establishment. i fought for everything but what i would refer to the establishment. marco indeed represents the direction we need to go. last night really indicated this. the more you know about marco rubio, for example, the more you like him. the exact opposite is true of donald trump. as i look at who he is, i'm referring to trump, his defects in judgment, wisdom, his decision making, i cannot put u.s. troops, i can't vote to put u.s. troops under the command of someone so deficient in these areas. as i look at what he said about women, he's denigrated women, he failed when asked to repudiate immediately david duke. this is the an titithesis of wh am as a republican. he quotes putin and also quotes mussolini. he quotes putin in saying he respects him.
this is not the kind of leader we need in america. if you look at it, marco was 15 points behind in virginia. two weeks ago. and last night, he got 16 delegates. trump got 17. i mean, just a margin of one there. so i think there's a path to victory. >> the overall delegate count without a doubt favored donald trump. if he is the nominee in november, who will you vote for? >> no, i'm not going to vote for him. nor will i vote for someone so, i think, deficient in character as hillary clinton. i'll have to write in a candidate. you know, i look at it this way. i'm mindful of another bully who mocked the physical stature of his opponent. you know, goliath. i know how that story turned out. i really believe like the ground thunder when goliath hit the ground, i think we'll see the same thing with trump. he's going to collapse under his own ego. he's a narsivist. i believe that. he is not a principled conservative. i so appreciate marco staying in this and fighting. i think he'll see the tide turn in florida.
>> but can this turn, if you really believe donald trump is as destructive as you say, can this turn without a one-on-one contest. that's the argument he makes. no sign john kasich is going to get out. certainly before ohio. ted cruz has more delegates, far more states, why should he get out? >> well, if you look at who marco rubio is, and the states that are left, millions and millions of americans have not yet voted, including millions of floridians, my home state. so there is a path to marco advancing. and i'm convinced that trump will not walk into that convention with 1,237 delegates. i'm convinced of this. nor should he. so this is a titanic struggle here. seismic in nature. but we've got to pile through it. i'm convinced that we need someone other than donald trump in the white house. >> congressman scott ridgell, good to talk to you. thanks so much for coming in.
>> thank you. now let's talk to tim miller. he's the former communications director for jeb bush. he just signed on as senior adviser for the anti-trump super pac, our principles. good to see you. good morning. >> good to be with you. >> so now you're part of what seems to be a growing group of republicans trying to stop donald trump. what's your message? >> look, i think that the growing is an important part of what you pointed out. if you look at the xil polls from last night, in a lot of states, over half of the people who showed up to vote, over half of the republicans who showed up to vote, said that they would be unhappy with donald trump as our nominee. this is unprecedented historically. where somebody is leading in the delegate count but their support is eroding as the race goes on. there's really no historical example of anything like this. so here's -- >> he still won the lion's share last night. >> he didn't even win half. he didn't win a majority last
night. he doesn't even have 50% of the delegates to date, and 70% are still outstanding. here's what we're going to do. number one, we're going to talk about how he is completely unelectable in a general election against hillary clinton. hillary clinton could get indicted by the fbi, go to jail, she would still win 48 out of 50 states against donald trump. he's getting crushed by her in all the polls. trump loves talking about the polls. well, once he starts getting to the general election, you'll notice his stump speech will have a lot less to do with the polls. number two, we're going to bring up his failures as a businessman. this is a guy that started a subprime mortgage lending company. six months before the housing bubble. think about all the people who got left holding the bag while he made money. just think about all those people who got screwed over by donald trump. trump university. there are people who went to trump university. they wanted to become rich businessmen like donald trump. he promised them the world. they paid tens of thousands of
dollars to go to his school. and you know what happened? it was a total fake, a total fraud. >> but tim, tim, to be fair. these arguments have been being made. he's continuing to win. >> no. >> they have been made. >> that's not true. there has not been a consistent -- there has not been a consistent onslaught against donald trump since iowa. our principles pac, the group i joined, spent $3 million in iowa educating voters on him, and he lost iowa. as we look ahead to the next two weeks, we have a lot more new research that voters do not know about donald trump's failed business dealings where he left people holding the bag while he enriched himself and his scandalous cronies. this guy can be stopped. he doesn't have half of the delegates yet. the media wants to anoint him because he's good for business. we're not going to let that happen. >> you wrote on your facebook page, begging your followers on super tuesday, please, for the
love of god, go vote in the republican primary against trump. you had this phone call last night with meg whitman, tom rickets. what was that about? money hasn't worked against donald trump so far. you can cite iowa, but he's been steam rolling through since then. >> well, look. like i said before, chris, this has been an unprecedented election. there's been a fragmented opposition against trump because there were so many candidates. this election is really congealing much later in the process. >> tell us -- what was that conversation like last night? >> basically, what that conversation was was a gathering of people who at that stage looking at where the state of the race is, realize now is the time to stop donald trump. if we're going to stop him, there's still time to do it. it has to happen right now. and voters have to be educated. look, maybe people in the new york beltway have been following all of the d.c. beltway have been following all of the xs and os of the race. people in north carolina and illinois and missouri, the
upcoming states, they haven't. they need to be educated about donald trump's record. he's not looking out for the little guy. he's selling them out for his own benefit. he's not a conservative. this is a person who has flip-flopped on every major issue. and there is still time to stop him. and frankly, ted cruz and marco rubio together have more delegates than donald trump does. so look, the only reason that the media is trying to anoint them is he's good for your bottom line. he gets you clicks. >> if donald trump is the nominee in november, who will you vote for? >> who will tim miller vote for? >> yes. >> look, i'm not going -- i would never vote for donald trump. you know, i'm just a consultant to our principles pac. a lot of people have come together -- >> hillary clinton, bernie sanders? >> of course, i would not vote for hillary clinton or bernie sanders. look, that's what i'm saying. this has been an unprecedented election. you have been covering it as such. we never would have expected it to get to where we are. and there are a lot of twists and turns ahead. we'll see how it comes out. but look, donald trump cannot be the nominee. will not be the nominee of this
party. we're going to stop him. he's a long way away from 1200 delegates. and i look forward to surprising you over the next few weeks, chris. >> tim miller, thanks so much. we'll stay in touch. appreciate it. >> see you. >> up next, our election insiders on ted cruz and marco rubio. do they have a plausible path forward to the nomination? remember, cruz has now won four states. rubio is 1 for 15. we turn to the democrats as well. hillary clinton sweeping the south. demolishing bernie sanders among african-americans in alabama. 93% to 5%. she also took a prize sanders really wanted to win, massachusetts. how does he keep his presidential hopes alive? we'll ask ben jealous coming up. r most revolutionary feature yet.
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it was a very tough night for marco rubio. he had a tough night. but he worked hard. he spent a lot of money. he is a lightweight, as i have said many times before. he was very, very nasty. i have never heard a person get up and speak on an evening like this and be so nasty. he's got a right to be nasty. he hasn't won anything and is heant going to win much. >> donald trump i guess you could say kicking marco rubio while he's down after a resounding third place finish on super tuesday. trump's overwhelming victory last night proved one thing. the gop establishment is fighting for survival, and these are the battleground states ahead. on saturday, 155 delegates are up for grabs. kansas, kentucky, maine, louisiana. 150 delegates next tuesday in hawaii, idaho, mississippi, and michigan. then the big day, march 15th, five more states, including the critical battlegrounds of florida and ohio. together, worth 367 delegates. is that the day donald trump puts the nomination out of
reach? or is there a different final chapter? i want to bring in my panel of election insiders. robert holsworth is a long time political analyst here in virginia. tim hugo, chair of marco rubio's virginia campaign, and chair in the virginia house of delegates. louise lucas. she supports hillary clinton. thanks to both of you -- all of you for coming in. robert, i want to start with you. did you hear anything from our two guests who are fighting against donald trump that says to you there is a plausible path to victory for ted cruz or marco rubio? >> you know, it really looks difficult for me, because i have a very clear mission to stop trump, but it's hard to imagine what their vehicle is right now. they have this kind of odd tag team that they have to go forward with, with kasich winning in ohio, rubio winning in florida. and we've never really seen that before. have this sort of multi-person effort to try to stop one person. very much easier if you had one
individual who seemed to be the clear alternative. that's the challenge right now for everybody who wants to stop trump. their mission is far clearer than their vehicle. >> nobody seems to want to drop out. let's take a look, delegate count for marco rubio. he won only minnesota, but he came in an overwhelming third in alabama, alaska, arkansas, mass mas, oklahoma, tennessee, texas. here's what he had to say last night. >> i'm just wondering if there's a certain amount of denial that you're in about this race. >> no, jake. again, we're in the winner take all phase of this. there will never come a time in the race where our supporters are asking us to get out and rally around donald trump. what people are saying is fight as hard as you can to save the part y of lincoln and reagan. >> what's the jurisdiction for marco rubio staying in the race? >> ted cruz, this was supposed to be his firewall. he didn't fare well in his firewall. marco rubio --
>> he did better than a lot of people thought he would. >> and you have to look at the turnout. this was a good day for marco and republicans. republican turnout across the country was up in virginia 110%. >> marco rubio is down in florida by 16% in recent polls. >> he was down by 20% in virginia and he almost won it. he'll win florida. marco has a conservative message with a positive tone. and i really do think a positive tone is what wins in november. and he's the one who can deliver the message and deliver the knockout blow to hillary clinton in the fall. >> senator lucas, if you look at the republicans, the one thing you have to say is they're on fire. 8 million people have voted so far, compared on the democratic side, 5 1/2 million democrats. that's almost like flipping what happened in 2008. are you worried the enthusiasm gap is going to be a problem for democrats? >> i'm not worried because what we have are two great candidates who have fired up the base, and a lot of people are waiting until there's a democratic
nominee and you'll see all the voters come together, unified behind hillary clinton. >> the big crowds are coming out, frankly, for bernie sanders. he's the one getting consistently in the thousands, but he's still losing. >> exactly. >> it's not translating to people going to the polls. >> it will in the fall. i can tell you that people are not discouraged by all of the negative talk about hillary clinton because people trust her. and i can say to you, without a shadow of a doubt, in african-american communities, we trust hillary clinton. so you're going to see more than what you have seen in this primary. in the fall, when we have a great turnout. in the general election. >> it's interesting when you look at donald trump, because in one recent poll, i think it just came out this morning, he loses to both hillary clinton and bernie sanders. having said that, when we start talking about things like brokered convention, isn't that subverting the will of the people? isn't this -- isn't democracy about you get the most votes,
you win? >> the challenge for the republican party is keeping everything together. if you have a brokered convention, it's going to be very, very difficult to keep the party together after that. can you imagine if trump comes in with 200 fewer delegates than he actually needs to win the nomination, and somehow walks out of that without the nomination? you can imagine what would happen with all of his supporters. so the big challenge for the republicans right now, there is an enthusiasm gap that's on their side, but can they keep everybody on the same page going into november? >> chris, i tell you what. the enthusiasm gap, you hit the nail on the head. republican numbers are up. democrat numbers are not just flat. they're down. it is a flip from '08 and the fact of the matter is i'm guaranteeing you when we get to the convention in cleveland, the number one issue will be how do we keep hillary clinton from putting one more foot in the white house, and republicans will be united for that. robert, tim, louise, great of you all to come in. and ahead, after getting pummeled in the south, bernie sanders vows to stay in the race, but how winnable is his
path to victory? we're going to talk with bernie sanders supporter ben jealous coming up next. and there was record turnout in many super tuesday states last night. no different here in virginia. for republicans, the previous highest turnout was in 2000 with more than 664,000 voters. more than a million people have voted in the primary this year, beating out the previous years by nearly 50%. we'll be right back. owen! hey kevin. hey, fancy seeing you here. uh, i live right over there actually. you've been to my place. no, i wasn't...oh look, you dropped something. it's your resume with a 20 dollar bill taped to it. that's weird. you want to work for ge too. hahaha, what? well we're always looking for developers who are up for big world changing challenges like making planes, trains and hospitals run better. why don't you check your newatch and telllle what time i should be there. oh, i don't hire people. i'm a developer. i'm gonna need mondaoff. again, not my call. or if you're young or old.are if you run everyday, no matter who you are a heart attack can happen
morning that has democrats celebrating in a hypothetical matchup, both hillary clinton and bernie sanders beat donald trump. hillary clinton solidified her front-runner status, winning seven states last night, pigging up 461 delegates, while sanders won four states, adding 295 delegates or according to this, 313 delegates. clinton won nearly every group. african-americans, latinos,
women, proving she can build a national coalition of racially diverse voters and mentioned sanders just once last night. now targeting donald trump. >> we know we've got work to do. but that work -- that work is not to make america great again. america never stopped being great. [ cheers and applause ] we have to make america whole. we have to fill in. fill in what's been hollowed out. >> meanwhile, sanders won among white men, and those the odds are against him, he says he's all in. >> at the end of tonight, 15 states will have voted, 35 states remain. and let me assure you that we
are going to take our fight for economic justice, for social justice, for environmental sanity, for a world of peace to every one of those states. >> nbc's kristen welker is in miami where hillary clinton celebrated her victory last night. hey, kristen. so, you know, in presidential politics alt this stage of the game, celebrations are allowed to last like two and a half minutes and then you have to move on. i wonder about the clinton campaign right now. obviously, happy with last night, but are they worried about white men, about young voters? what's the plan going forward? >> chris, you're absolutely right. great to talk to you. look, one clinton campaign official described that deficit with white men and young voters as a work in progress. they know they have to work on this, chris. particularly young voters. that's a key part of the obama coalition. secretary clinton knows in order to win a general election, she needs to have them on board. look at some of the numbers. white men, clinton got trounced
by senator sanders, 55% to 33%. voters under 30. but look at what happens with african-americans. secretary clinton got 85% to sanders' 14%. if you break down some of the averages in the individual states, she beat him by 80 to 90 points among african-americans in some of the southern states. that's a real strength for her. she's going to build on that, n but the campaign knows they have to increase their outreach to the younger voters. they're not ready to put the race out of reach just yet. they say that's a possibility on march 15th when florida votes. chris. >> nbc's kristen welker in miami. thank you very much. let me bring in the former president of the naacp and bernie sanders supporter, ben jealous. good to see you, ben. good morning. >> good to see you. >> so hillary did have a great night last night. and i think it's fair to say this morning your chances of bernie sanders winning the nomination just dropped prec
precipito precipitously. what do you do? >> look, we targeted five states. we won four states. in the state of massachusetts, we came close. it was very narrow for mrs. clinton. and you know, i think we're hopeful. what you see is a movement building against the most powerful dynasty in our country's politics. i think it should be concerning to our party that the candidate they see as dominant just cannot win young voters. we don't see new folks coming into the party to support her. in fact, we see lots of people going into the republican party to support trump right now. so the one chance we have to actually beat him by a big margin, in a way that's comfortable, is to imbraes tembe one populist in the party, bernie sanders. >> another argument on the other side, you know what it is. astonishing numbers for hillary clinton with minority voters. she's decimating bernie sanders.
last night, she won hispanics 2 to 1. she pummeled him among african-american voters, 85% to 14%. if you want to talk about what you need to win in november, how does bernie sanders win when you see those kinds of numbers for hillary clinton? >> black voters in the south have a long history supporting the clinton family. as you start to shift out west, you start to see those numbers change. last night, the state of oklahoma, bernie got 27% of the black vote. in nevada, he did very good with latino voters. in colorado, we expected to do very well with latino voters. in the state of michigan where i'll be all this weekend, a very hotly contested race. i expect this to be better with black voters and brown voters as well. again, we're building a movement that is quite frankly, you know, very new, in many parts of this country, and as we build, and as we get stronger, you'll see us
begin to get more and more support in black and brown communities. but also with older voters. our secret weapon, if you will, are young voters who come to us in droves. and that, you know, quite frankly, has been always a critical part of running a successful campaign against any dynasty in our country's politics. >> well, let me make another argument to you. and for those who want to see the democrats, and i'm sure you're one of them, hold on to the white house. republicans are split right now. there's disarray. that does provide an opening for your team. hillary clinton is winning bigger now than barack obama was in 2008. is there a point at which bernie sanders needs to step aside and allow democrats to coalesce around a single candidate? >> you know, that's not how politics works. you fight to win. and the reality is that she's looking a lot like mitt romney did the last time around. she's our establishment
candidate who looks like she should be the president. and it's her turn. and frankly, she needs to earn it. i don't want to see the black vote taken for granted. i don't want to see any vote taken for granted. we need a party that is fired up and focused. where every single person's vote has been earned, if we're going to have any chance beating a populist republican this fall. people don't want to take trump seriously. i would remind them about jesse the body ventura up in minnesota, or schwartz nager in california or ronald reagan back in the day. this is a celebrity republican populist. our only real hope is to bring our own form of populism, and that's what sanders offers. >> ben jealous, thanks so much for coming on. good to see you. >> thank you. let's go to some breaking news right now. msnbc's kasie hunt is in burlington, vermont. kasie, i know you have been following the sanders campaign, but this information is about new efforts among donors to stop
donald trump. >> hey, chris. well, as we know, there's been so much establishment angst over how to stop donald trump, but so far, there hasn't been a well funded concerted effort to go after him. that's partly out of skittishness. a lot of people don't want to open themselves up to attacks from trump. and partly because they haven't been able to settle on a candidate to back instead. now, the "new york times" first reported that this call happened on tuesday afternoon, with three major donor whose have backed three different presidential candidates, paul singer who is still with marco rubio. todd rickets who had been with scott walker, and meg whitman, who was previously backing chris christie and who had tough words for chris christie for his trump endorsement over the weekend with chuck todd on "meet the press." new detail about what they talked through, in particular, the lines of attack that potentially could be leveled at trump. this group, our principles pac, it's called, now a communications, former
communications director for jeb bush's campaign, now headed to this group, to help them in their efforts. they believe that they can target him in three ways. first of all, on issue positions. if they take a look at some of his past statements, trump, of course, has sometimes contradicted himself on a variety of issues that may seem like there would be a concern for many conservatives. his business record, we have already seen marco rubio start to talk, characterize trump as a con artist, talking about trump university in particular, where trump is facing this lawsuit over whether or not he sold a bill of goods to many of the students at trump university. and then of course, his personal statements. so issues affrace, the things he said about the kkk, but also things that he said about women, this group feels as though many women in america haven't heard these statements in the form of paid advertising, and they think the only states where he has been stopped are states where people have been on the air against trump. chris. >> all right, kasie hunt, thank
you so much for that. she brings up chris christie. now six editorial boards of new jersey papers are calling for him to resign. so gets more interesting by the minute. welcome back to msnbc. it was indeed a huge night for donald trump, who cut a wide geographic swath across the republican landscape. he conquered the southeast, winning alabama by 22 points. 14 point victories in tennessee and virginia. up north, he took massachusetts and vermont. by night's end, he had earned 210 delegates against cruz's 171, after winning three states. so let's take a check of the overall numbers. trump leading cruz by more than 100 delegates. he nearly triples marco rubio's delegate count. looking ahead on the calendar to the next round of primaries and caucuses, no two states are more critical to the outcome than florida and ohio. the home states of rubio and kasich. but despihome field gauge, they could be in trouble.
in a recent quinnipiac poll, trump is well ahead of rubio in florida. it's closer in ohio, but trump still leads there as well. we have a panel of msnbc reporters and nbc reporters to break this down. i want to start with thomas roberts who is in pensacola beach, florida, where trump has led the polls since august. so the question, thomas, is it too late for senator rubio to mount a real comeback in his home state? >> chris, it really is a great question. and that will be decided by march 15th, early voting has already started to take place here in florida. we're in pensacola. this is the panhandle of florida. i was speaking to a local professor from pensacola state university this morning, that characterized this area as saying we live in l.a., which basically means lower alabama. he says this is the old south. so if we look at the numbers and the primary wins for donald trump out of georgia and alabama, it seems that the bleed to this area for him to be able to secure the panhandle is
pretty easy. also speaking with this professor, saying that there are more trump and cruz bumper stickers and yard signs along this area, but all three candidates on the gop, cruz, rubio, and trump, have defined ground games here. but donald trump definitely has the lead. i was asking him whether or not he thinks that marco rubio could make inroads if, say, a jeb bush were to come out and endorse him. while he said that the governor was highly popular here in the state of florida, he thinks that any endorsement from jeb bush would only help rubio in a minimal capacity. right now, it seems as though this state is luocked up for donald trump. >> msnbc's thomas roberts, thank you so much. by the way, thomas will be back at 2:00 eastern time today. now, let's head north to nbc's craig melvin who is in cincinnati, ohio. governor kasich, the question is, can he win his home state? where's the support? >> you know, chris, we have
already heard from some folks who have called on john kasich to get out of this race. there are reports that after last night, some high level republicans, including senate majority leader mitch mcconnell called on kasich to drop out because they believe he cost rubio the election in virginia. they believe that he probably hurt him significantly in massachusetts as well. i spent some time talking to voters here and also a city councilwoman here in cincinnati. we talk about john kasich, his prospects here. you showed the quinnipiac poll. he is 5% right now, 5% is the difference between he and donald trump. there are not a lot of folks here in ohio who even believe that john kasich can pull this thing off on march 15th. of course, ohio and florida, winner take all states. it will be very interesting to see how much time john kasich spends here over the next two weeks and how much time donald trump spends here over the next two weeks as well. chris. >> thanks so much, craig melvin.
you can watch craig's show today at 1:00 eastern time. meantime, time is running out for the gop candidates to try to take the nomination away from trump. so, how will the numbers add up for any of them in the field against donald trump? joining me now, msnbc host and political correspondent steve kornacki who is at our big board to look at the malth behind the upcoming states. i guess you start with when you look at these various scenarios, ohio and florida. if rubio and kasich can pick them off, what does that mean? show us what's going on with the delegate count. >> yeah, obviously, those are must-win states. ohio for kasich. florida for rubio. let's set the math up first before we look at those. when you put this up a minute ago, right now, this is the delegate count. this is sort of, there are moving pieces here. we're still tabulating delegates from last night. this is a bit of an educated guess. we think when all is said and done, trump is going to land around 340, ted cruz somewhere around 230.
marco rubio maybe around 110. now, before we get to march 15th, over the next week or so, there's also a series of over contests, the biggest one is michigan. a few others in there. if you play them out roughly the way they have been going demographically and based on polls, and this is a guess, but trump, over the next week, he could move up to about 500. we could have cruz bumping up to about 300. we'll say rubio to about 225. give or take. that could be very well what we're looking at, the rough delegate breakdown heading into the march 15th primaries. again, remember, the other numbers, so many numbers here. but 1,237, that is the magic number. that could be what it looks like as we head into florida and ohio. now, let's take a look at the states and let's take a look at, if we can move this, wait a minute. i thought i had it. here it is, okay, this is what -- i'm on very little sleep. march 15th. as you say, ohio, look, john kasich's home state, a must-win state for him. florida, must-win state for
rubio. i'm interested, though, in something else, two other states voting this day. one is north carolina. this is a test for marco rubio. marco rubio has been performing so well with college educated professionals. it's why he nearly won virginia. it was the key to his strong performance in iowa. right in the suburbs outside des moines. why he won minnesota. can rubio be winning a state like north carolina that has those. and can cruz be winning a state like missouri? remember, this is where todd akin won that senate primary. so look, kasich has to win his home state. rubio has to win his home state. if this is doing to be a long fight that denies trump the nomination, cruz should be taking missouri. rubio should be taking north carolina. >> fascinating stuff. steve kornacki, thank you. and i'm impressed that you got any sleep at all. so good for you. coming up, will the establishment strike back against donald trump? some people say it does nothing more than stop democracy in its tracks if you go to a brokered convention. the scenario for the gop, could
ted cruz is not my favorite by any means. i don't wish him ill. i was making a joke about ted, but we may be in a position where we have to rally around ted cruz as the only way to stop donald trump. not so sure that would work. >> you would recommend that in order to stop donald trump, rally behind ted cruz. >> i can't believe i would say yes, but yes. >> wow, senator lindsey graham who joked no one would be convicted for killing ted cruz on the floor. now, he admits he might have to rally around the texas senator in order to stop donald trump. rick tyler is a political analyst for msnbc, the former national spokesman for ted cruz. sarah isker flor ez, the campaign manager for carly fiorina, former deputy communications for the rnc and political director for ted cruz's senate campaign.
she always advised mitt romney. that's quite a resume. you have been connected to a lot of candidates past and present. you haven't signed on to anyone to support them yet as far as i know. i wonder how do you feel about the fact that donald trump, the man who made fun of your candidate's face of all things when he was mocking carly fiorina, that he's on the verge of winning the nomination? >> i don't think it's good for the conservative movement. i think conservatives for decades now have fought for principles and have tried to elevate candidates that want to lift all people up. i think what we're seeing is the destruction of the conservative movement. it's why so many conservatives are worried right now. i think that both rubio and cruz had a bad night last night. and i think the best hope at this point is to hold donald below the 1,237 delegates. i think that's the only hope at this point. >> if he's the nominee this november, can you support him? will you vote for him? >> you know, i actually haven't been asked that yet, but i think the answer is no.
>> what does that say about your party? that you're saying you would not support the republican nominee if it's donald trump? >> well, i think for a lot of us, this isn't about party. this isn't about winning for the sake of winning for our team. this is about our country. and it's about a belief system. i'm a conservative before i'm a republican. so i think what is most damaging is when you hear democrats actually say they want donald trump to be the nominee because they think hillary can beat him. that's not how this is supposed to work out. democrats should be really concerned when they hear that. they should want the best republican nominee and the best democrat nominee and to have a real general election about what we agree and disagree on as americans. that's what this republic is supposed to be about. i hope that democrats can see the problem with that logic, and we can stop with the winning and the teams and talk about what's best for our country, and i don't think donald trump is what's best for our country. >> so if you don't vote for trump, could you vote for hillary clinton or bernie sanders? >> no.
i don't think they're what's best for our country, either. i will hope for a contested convention and if not, i hope that someone will offer an alternative. >> so i think, rick, that sarah said it well, bad night last night for boat of the other guys. there's also this analysis today, it shows that cruz recorded the weakest home state gop primary victory in party history. he doesn't have support from his senate colleagues. so if no one drops out, does it just insure that donald trump wins? >> yeah, i think that's right. look, lindsey graham is now talking about uniting the party, and look, the whole thing is unite or else. and the else is donald trump. donald trump is currently losing to bernie sanders and losing to hillary clinton. but here's the part that's really worse. is even donald trump couldn't afford to self-fund himself against a hillary clinton. he doesn't have enough money to do that. the rnc money would dry up because the gop donors would not
support a donald trump rnc. and so that would be devastating for the republican party up and down the ticket. if it is unite or else, and the only person i see that can beat donald trump is ted cruz because he now has four victories. he's beaten donald trump. if the most of these delegates have not been allocated. there's about 70%, a little less, still out there. so there's plenty of time. even two win or take all states, and remember, the winner take all states coming up, they're closed primaries, like oklahoma. that's where ted cruz did well last night. he won in a closed primary state. and so there's plenty of time. you can get a couple states together and make up that deficit right away. so -- >> but rick, if you want to talk about doing well, look at -- look, if you want to talk about doing well, look at what donald trump has done. he has done it geographically, he has cut across age barriers. hae has broken through in so many different ways. aren't you trying to take the power away from the american
voter by talking about somehow doing an end around, the people who are part of the republican establishment, republican conservative movement actively working against a candidate in that way? >> no, i'm talking about we're still in the process. donald trump has about a third of the delegates. ted cruz has almost a quarter of the delegates. marco rubio is half of that. if you take -- if the other candidates would do what's good for the party and step aside and allow one person that would be cruz, because he's won the most, and he has the most delegates, second to donald, that he could beat him in the close primary states. that would be the process going forward. he could accumulate enough delegates to stop donald trump. and at the very least, he would stop him from accumulating enough to take -- to have the requisite number before the convention in cleveland. >> that brings us to the possibility of a brokered convention. sarah, you worked for the rnc. do you see that happening? >> there's a decent chance at
this point. the one thing i'll disagree on is i think it's unrealistic to think all the candidates are going to drop out and unite around a single candidate. i also think it's not necessary to get to a contested convention. there's an argument that john kasich could win ohio. marco rubio could win florida. ted could win a state. and that the best way at this point to hold donald trump under 1237 delegates is in fact to have more candidates in the field in light of the fact that i don't think it's realistic that all these candidates are going to drop out. i think contested convention, obviously, would be a little unique in our history right now. we haven't had one for decades and even then it wasn't the way i think this would be a contested convention. i think it would be -- it will make for good tv. >> yeah, well, that it will do. sarah and rick, good to see both of you. thank you. and we'll be right back. and how it's available 24/7 and then our car overheated... what are the chances? can you send a tow truck please? uh, the location? you're not going to believe this but it's um...
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convincing set of wins last night. kasie hunt joining me by phone in burlington, vermont. what's the latest new snz. >> hey, tamron. the news relates to this phone call that happened yesterday afternoon with three major donors, republicans who have been giving to three different establishment candidates. meg whitman for chris christie, taug todd rickets who had been with paul walker, and paul wa, who h been with rubio. there's a new urgency underscoring the movement. the donors had been skittish about attacking him. no one had managed to coalesce around one establishment candidate, but the window and closing and donors on the call, primarily about a pac called our principles pac, which had been airing some ads against trump in iowa. not too many. they recently hired tim miller, jeb bush's former communications
director, to run these communications for this group. and so we have some new details on the argument that they're making to these donors about why they have to do this now and what the plan should look like. they're looking at a handful of states because on march 15th, winner take all goes into effect on the republican side. and that could potentially give donald trump the chance to lockdown the nomination. so they're arguing this has to start and happen over the course of the next two weeks. they're looking particularly at florida, also at places like illinois and missouri. and they say that there are three potential lines of argument against donald trump. his business record, so things like the trump university lawsuit that marco rubio has referenced on the trail. his record on the issues, so focusing, reminding, especially conservative voters, that trump has had times held positions at odds with the ones he says he holds now. and then also his personal comments, whether that's what he has had to say about the kkk and
david duke, but also in particular what he said over the years about women, some comments he potentially made on howard stern's show or others. the argument being americans haven't heard those comments in the context of paid advertising. their argument is this is a way to stop trump while there's still a chance to do it. >> basically, kasie, they want to take some of these things, when you think about the trump university questions, that did not come up until the tenth debate. and the plan is to flood the air ways. that is similar to what marco rubio did leading up to super tuesday. we saw a number of ads from super pacs or pacs supporting him, with alleged victims who say they were frauded as a result of attending trump university. and some other questionable business practices. it didn't move the meter for marco rubio, and that could be a calendar issue. but this is an interesting strategy that they plan to pick
up in a sense where he left off without much time in between from super tuesday. >> that's right, tamron. and the challenge is not only getting people to give the kind of money they would need to mount a serious push, bullets also the fact they haven't completely unified behind one other candidate. that's one of the things that of course has been hampering marco rubio, his efforts in many ways, he has spent more time running against ted cruz, for example, than against donald trump. it's still not clear that an effort like this would do anything than potentially damage trump. it's not that it would lift up another candidate. and if their candidates can't step up and fill the void, it could result in the status quo we can seen, which is trump still winning. >> breaking news regarding some measures expected from the gop, at least donors, big donors who want to take out trump here. thank you very much, kasie. >> donald trump has no campaign appearances scheduled today ahead of tomorrow night's next
gop debate. that's in detroit. peter alexander is covering the trump campaign. he joins us live from near trump's mar-a-lago estate in florida. this is interesting, peter. the very first question trump took last night at that q & a was your question regarding the effort by the establishment of his own party to take him out. >> yeah, that's exactly right. the first question, what was really an unorthodox way to celebrate a super tuesday, not by holding a big rally like many other candidates would do, but this news conference. we sat there, i was in third row. a bunch of his friends from here in palm beach lining the first couple rows. the question was specifically about the divisions within the republican party right now in spite of his claims he's a unifier bringing the party together. i brought up the republican senator from nebraska, the first republican senator, ben sass, who has said he would not support, not vote for donald trump if he's the party's nominee. sass saying the conservatives would have to find a third party
option, and here's how donald trump responded. take a listen. >> we have expanded the republican party. when you look at what's happened in south carolina and you see the kind of numbers that we got in terms of extra people coming in, they came from the democratic party or the democrat party and they're democrats and longtime democrats and they were never going to switch, and they all switched and they were independents. we have expanded the party. that hasn't happened to the republican party in many, many decades. >> he's exactly right. he demonstrated that wide appeal yesterday with wins in the deep south and in the northeast. he's not a traditional regional candidate. in massachusetts, donald trump won 49% of the vote right now. so it seems and according to one person who was a participant on the donor call you and kasie were just talking about a short time ago, that the argument is that with 71% of the delegates still out there, there is still
a small window for them to try to fight back and to deny donald trump the nomination. the question is not whether or not donald trump will get more delegates than anybody else, but whether or not they can keep him shy of that 1237 threshold. that's the number he would need to lock up the nomination in earnest. we also asked donald trump about these efforts last night. he said if something like this happens, if there is some form of a contested convention, in effect, he said that would be undemocratic. we have to follow the will of the people. >> all right, peter, thank you very much. let's look at the numbers, the possible scenarios moving forward for gop candidates. steve kornacki is at the big board. and steve, we're going to play an interview that chris had yesterday out of houston with tom delay about the fact that the rules, the gop establishment, they're looking at the rules here, if they plan to deny donald trump this nomination. >> yeah, what peter was saying there, the magic numbers, can they deny him.
if the magic number republicans have to think of is 1,237. 1,237. if you hit that number for delegates, you're the republican nominee. so, what are the ways, what are the odds of stopping donald trump? right now, this is where nbc has this race. however, there are more delegates still being computed from last night. we think that when they're all counted from last night, trump is going to be sitting somewhere around 340. cruz, somewhere around 230. rubio, somewhere around 110. now, let's play this out a little bit. if you look at the demographics in some of the results we have seen so far, some of the poll numbers there, taking a guess here, but between now and march 15th, march 15th, the big states, ohio, florida, all of that. but between now and then, there's a bunch of smaller states in michigan that are going to vote. if you keep the trends alive, you might have donald trump at about 500. ted cruz at about 300. mrkmark at about 225. there's a lot of give there potentially, but a rough estimate. that could be where we are heading into the big day on march 15th.
then that becomes a crucial day. let me show you why. these are the states that are up. we know marco rubio has to win florida to stay in this race. we know ohio is pretty much a do or die test for john kasich. i think there are two other really important contests on that day that are going to elus whether republicans really can deny donald trump, again, that 1,237 number. the first is in north carolina. why? north carolina demographically is the kind of state that marco rubio should be doing well in and winning, if is he going to deny trump the nomination on the first ballot. in missouri, todd akin won a presumary in the republican race. that should be a cruz state. then i think we're looking at rarace that could go to the convention. if trump is winning those states, the odds of that go down, tamron. >> what's interesting, you didn't circle illinois on there. 69 delegates. that's on the list, steve, that you heard in kasie's report, that these donors want to flood the market with negative ads. they really are at this point
looking at that entire map where there's an opening. >> if we keep the same trends alive we have seen, trump is winning the lion's share of states. can they get wins on the boards in states where right now you're not expecting in the polls? missouri, north carolina, you look add those two. >> now to marco rubio with only one win under his belt, he holds a rally this afternoon in michigan. voters there head to the polls on tuesday. nbc's kate snow joins me now from flint. he's got this one victory. you know, the rubio campaign can spin it a lot of ways, but the reality is ted cruz last night, this morning, saying it is time for marco rubio to get out of the race. that's not happening. >> yeah, he says that's not happening. he says if he has to go with his pick-up truck all across florida, he's going to win his home state. that's where he is this morning. he actually just early voted in the state of florida. now he's getting on a plane and flying to where i am here in michigan. he's going to be about an hour away from us.
we're in flint, michigan. he's going to be in a suburb of detroit called shelby charter township, and that is an area of the state that he could potentially do well in. it's a suburban county -- area outside of detroit where there's a republican presence there. this is a state that went blue, it went for obama in 2008 and in 2012. but there are a sizable number of republican voters here, and they're targeting them because as you say, they vote here on tuesday night. also, a debate here in detroit among the republican candidates scheduled for tomorrow night. take a look at the poll numbers here, though. and what you see is that trump leads in almost every poll that we're looking at. real clear politics does an average of polling for michigan state. and right now, they're showing trump at an average of 35% support. rubio at 15.6%, and ted cruz at 15%. you see how tight it is between rubio and cruz. you can see why marco rubio is coming here to do a rally this afternoon, trying to get a second-place finish if he can
here in michigan. interestingly, tamron, when you talk to voters here, trade is a really big issue. and that's an issue where donald trump, you hear him talk all the time about ford, sending jobs to mexico. you hear that line about trade and companies leaving the u.s. that resonates with people who are working for car -- for automakers here, people who have a long history with the auto industry. so there is a lot of support for donald trump, but i have to tell you, where i'm sitting in flint, it's a very democratic town, and tamron, as we talk to voters here, we have been hearing a lot of anti-trump sentiment and a lot of support for bernie sanders. you know, they still have not fixed the water situation here. the coffee shop that i'm sitting in, they're using other sources for their what toor make their coffee because the water in flint is still not drinkable. and that means there's a lot of distrust for government here. and a lot of people saying they like bernie sanders. some supporting hillary clinton, but wanting an outsider, wanting someone they can really trust in
politics. tamron. >> kate, thank you very much. joining me now, former virginia attorney general, republican ken cuccinelli who is supporting the cruz campaign. thank you so much for joining me. >> good to be with you. >> good to have you. let's talk about the breaking news, our own kasie hunt reporting at the top of the show that at least three or four major gop donors now focusing on an all-out effort to stop donald trump. flooding the airwaves with controversies regarding policy, regarding trump university. your reaction to this effort? >> well, i can't say i'm surprised. i'm a little surprised it took this long, but the focus for ted, as you saw actually in the last debate on last thursday, has really been to hammer donald trump on policy. donald trump says he wants to get rid of obamacare, but then he wants to expand effectively expand medicaid by over 30 million people. while he's forced immigration to the front burner, and i give him credit for forcing that
discussion, many of his solutions are very unconservative. his view of eminent domain, taking property or trying to, from the old lady for his casino parking lot. he's got a lot of non-conservative positions that are not going to play well just on an issue basis with the republican electorate. that's what ted is focusing on. he's trying to stay as much out of the food fight as possible. it's never completely possible. but as much as he can. and point people to both his conservative vision that matches his conservative record, and he's the only candidate who can do that. >> when you look at the so-called food fight as you referred the last ten debates, the eminent domain, jeb bush trying to bring that up in iowa, tried to bring it up in new hampshire, the issue of immigration has been talked about down to how is it possible to get mexico to build the wall. we asked donald trump that question. he had no answer. in my interview with him, and other questions. last night at the press conference, he embraced planned
parenthood. and even questioned some so-called conservatives. those things have been hashed out. it seems as if the business record of donald trump is a part of his biography that has not been vetted as much here. so is it the business record that is wiser to go after or some of these conservative values that he has clearly separated himself from, and it's made your candidate ineffective in defeating him in virginia by the numbers, trump over 34%, rubio, 31%. senator cruz just at 16% there. >> yeah, you know, i think that what you'll see going forward is as you approach states, say we have louisiana saturday, they have been paying a lot more attention now than they were a month ago. and we have to make our case in each of those states. ted's grassroots support from both volunteers and donors is allowing him to do that. to make that case. in a way marco rubio cannot.
if marco rubio got out tomorrow, the lion's share of his votes would fall to ted cruz. >> what proof do you have of that? when we look at your state, again, virginia, senator cruz was at 16.9%. marco rubio's team could make the argument, no, it's you who needs to get out of the race. >> you're looking at one state, and look, i have lived in northern virginia my whole life. where marco did the best was the government part of virginia. and he benefits tremendously by jeb bush getting out, but those people are not going to support donald trump. they will support ted cruz. you heard earlier today, the real breaking news today ought to be lindsey graham conceding reluctantly that it may be time to get behind ted cruz. if ted cruz -- let me finish this one point. if ted cruz got out, majority of his support, according to polling, would go to trump. not to rubio. so cruz getting out doesn't solve the problem of donald trump. marco rubio getting out and ted
cruz, if marco wasn't in yesterday, would have won the majority of states yesterday. >> i ask, though, the question when you say that this support will go to marco rubio. and i ask you for the proof. there is no proof, and we can point to, for example, let me finish, because you asked me. the evangelical vote that senator cruz heavily depended on, that was supposed to be money in the bank. the south was supposed to be money in the bank. so some of these conventional ways of thinking, which i agree with you, conventionally, people might think this vote would then go to senator cruz, but the conventional wisdom, heavily based on evangelical vote, proved to be an empty bank account for senator cruz. >> okay, so what i was basing my comments on are exit polling data and polling data. and i'm skeptical of polls. but when i see five, ten of them in a row, and when i see the jeb bush move actually consistent
with second choice polling of his supporters, i think the case is extremely strong to make that if marco rubio gets out, ted cruz moves in front of donald trump. if ted cruz gets out, marco rubio doesn't move in front of donald trump. donald trump moves over 50%. and that's a problem for the marco rubio case right now, especially when he's getting killed in florida, a state that knows him best. and the state that knows ted cruz best, ted cruz crushed donald trump. >> let me ask you a larger party question here regarding the divide and if donald trump becomes the inevitable nominee, the nominee of the party, would you support him? >> you know, donald is going to -- this last week, donald has hesitated to disavow kkk and david duke support. he made a much underreported fave rborable quoting of mussol.
i'm an italian. maybe i'm sensitive to that. unless he backs off these kinds of things. he's going to make it very, very difficult for those of us who consider ourselves self-respecting conservatives to get on board with him. he has brought in some new people. there's been -- so has ted cruz, but there's been a lot of enthusiasm in the electorate. but ted cruz is the only candidate of all of the republicans who seriously competes. doesn't just beat him down, but competes for trump supporters on an issue basis. and on fighting the establishment, which only ted has a track record of. >> if donald trump is the nominee, does it destroy your party? >> it will do severe damage, yes. >> all right, thank you very much for joining us. always a great pleasure speaking with you. we'll see what happens next. coming up, we're going to go live to the clinton campaign as her advisers say her most urgent task is winning over bernie sanders supporters. with senator sanders saying just yesterday he's in it until the
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we are back with the latest on the democratic side. hillary clinton won delegate rich southern states like texas, georgia, and virginia, as well as massachusetts. adding to her commanding delegate lead. well, today, senator bernie sanders is back on the campaign trail. he has a rally this afternoon in
maine. and another tonight in michigan. while hillary clinton has a rally planned for new york city. kristen welker is in miami with the latest on the democratic side of the race. again, another situation of tone of the candidates versus what the delegate math may be saying here. >> great point, tamron. secretary clinton really laying off her attacks of senator sanders, and pivoting to the general election. it's an indication that she feels strong. she feels emboldened in the wake of her very strong night last night on super tuesday. she won a lot of those states, fueled by large african-american support. she doesn't want to alienate senator sanders supporters. that's why you're seeing her back off him. i have been talking to democratic strategists who say it's critical that her supporters do not call on senator sanders to at any point get out of this race. he's still winning states. he still has every right to be here, they say, and they also adoing that would in fact ali alienate his supporters.
she got drountrounced by those younger voters. sanders beating her 64% to 35%. the clinton campaign knows they need to do a better job reaching out to the younger voters if they're going to create the same type of coalition that sent president obama to the white house in 2008 and again in 2012. the campaign saying while they don't think they can but the race out of reach in the wake of super tuesday, it's a possibility on march 15th when florida votes. >> thank you. let me bring in david brock, a hillary clinton supporter, the founder of media matters and the founder of correct the record, a pro-clinton super pac. thank you joining me. let's pick up where kristen left off. the young voters. again, breaking 64/35, even though impressive wins across the board for hillary clinton, this still remains a problem. it's a delicate balance. how to handle bernie sanders and his supporters. what does she need to do? >> i think on the millennial issue, you have to look at the context of the recession and the way they experienced the
economy. they have really no positive experience of capitalism after the bush recession. you got people who a third of millennials living at home with their parents still. maybe they're employed but they can't afford rent, putting off marriage and families. a revolution sounds like a good answer when you're in those straits. this is a work in progress for secretary clinton, admittedly. she needs to do a better job showing millennials, one, she feels their pain. two, explaining the reality. which she has very good, strong plans on the issues they care about. on rein in wall street, on college affordability. most of the millennials voting, i guess they would have been toddlers when she was first lady and got 8 million kids health care. we need to understand her full story. and there's time for that. there's time for that. then i think when you've got a choice, when you've got secretary clinton, who i believe will be the nominee, and probably donald trump, that's a very stark choice, and i think some of the people who are for senator sanders now will come
home to the democratic party. >> when you look at senator sanders yesterday saying, listen, this is a movement. >> sure. >> she could, even though it appears again that she will go on to secure the nomination, that's still dangerous territory. to offend bernie sanders, to offend his supporters, and how she battles it out with senator sanders the rest of the way here. >> right. sure, i think you obviously, you want to get those supporters. you don't want to offend them. sharp contrasts had to have been drawn in the race. they were. we're moving beyond that now, i think, because secretary clinton yesterday solidified her position as front-runner. what i would say about senator sanders is, you know, he's obviously got -- he's done a great job with millennials in getting support. he's got money. he did suggest last night that there's no time for him to get out, but what i would say is stay positive, stay constructive. stay true to your brand. he was poorly advised after nevada to go so negative, some
of his surrogates, very, very negative on secretary clinton. >> he said it's making a distinction. >> i understand that, but the republicans are out there echoing his message with paid advertising. we don't want to do the republicans' work for them. >> let's talk about the republicans, yesterday at his press conference, donald trump promised to step up his attacks against hillary clinton. let's play what he said. >> i am a unifier. once we get all of this finished, i'm going to go after one person. that's hillary clinton. i don't know that she's going to be allowed to run. what she did is a criminal act. if she's allowed to run, i would be very, very surprised. but if she's allowed to run, honestly, it will be a sad day for this country. because what she did was wrong. >> that was one of the few applause after he made this line, his friends and supporters who were there, this applause line where he's going to bring up benghazi. he's going to bring up alleged criminal investigations here. we saw in the "new york times" a report on her playbook against donald trump.
what we have seen with jeb bush and others, david, when they get in the mud with donald trump, as i think it's chris matthews who likes to say, when you're in the mud with pigs, you both get dirty. >> sure. >> is that a battle she wants. >> look, it's probably inevitable at this point. democrats don't have any power to decide the republican primaries. and it's true that republicans have gotten in the mud, particularly in the last few days with donald trump, but i think the reality is, republicans have not run a real campaign against donald trump. they were afraid of alienating his supporters. democrats are going to be able to run that campaign. we're going to stand up to donald trump as democrats and as americans. >> you -- just quickly, you know nothing gets the base of the gop going as much as hillary clinton. >> absolutely. there's no question, you're right about the applause line. look, it's been the same way. we have been watching the republicans for a generation. there's a belief in the republican party there's also a silver bullet against the clintons and they folkess on scandal. he's going to find like everybody else, doesn't work. there's nothing there.
the only way we can have a real dialogue is to debate the issues and hillary clinton will have conversations with america about how to make work for everybody. he's going to be the school yard bully he was last night. >> i'm completely out of time. quickly, we have seen super pacs from the conservative pacs go after her. when will some of these pacs supporting hillary clinton go after donald trump? >> once we know for sure who the nominee is, we'll be prepared. we have been doing research on donald trump for months. we're not late to the game. we're going to go out and make a case to the american people against donald trump in a way that the republican party frankly has failed and has failed to do. they haven't vetted him. we'll do better. >> thank you very much. we'll be right back. americans. we're living longer than ever.
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60% of the delegates in the republican convention will be picked proportionally, so if trump never gets more than 40% in each state, tonight he'll only get 250 cell gts. >> so no one has to beat him for him to lose? >> that's right. >> no one has to beat him. >> no. >> are you saying the party can actually nominate someone who is not the leader in the primaries? >> if that someone does not have 1237 votes going into the convention, all hell could break loose. >> you're thinking the republican could break it down, could change precedent, and this year, 2016 -- >> it's not precedent. it's following the rules of the party. >> okay. >> has nothing to do with precedent. it has everything to do with collecting delegates. and there's already -- there's 20 more states that have proportional delegate allocation. 20 more. >> delegates get to choose. it's a party function. the party is putting up a nominee. >> okay. >> and that was former house majority leader tom delay
oftects tex last night on msnbc, and joining me now, henry barber, a member of the rnc helping senator marco rubio on his convention strategy. thanks for joining us. >> hey, tamron. good morning. >> good morning. the big question is, is the party ready to take away the nomination if it is donald trump? >> well, look, the voters are going to decide this. and as we all know, and more and more people are learning, you do have to get to 1,237 delegates. and that's a big deal. but what's really important, i think, for people to understand is donald trump won 7 of 11 states yesterday, but he got only 36% of the vote, which is pretty good, except when you consider that 64% of the people voted against him. 64%, almost two thirds of the republican voters yesterday, d didn't want donald trump. they wanted somebody else. so for donald trump to get to 1,237 delegates, he's got a really long ways to go.
at this point, through super tuesday, we have allocated 728 delegates. and remember, he's got to get to 1,237 to get there. he's got a little over 300 at this point. ted cruz has a little over 200. marco rubio has a little over 100. we have another 800 delegates to allocate in the month of march. we're about 309 more in the month of april. so that's about 1100. >> that's the heart of the question, he could still -- he may not hit the magic number, but he could go into the convention leading the primaries, and with what he says is the momentum of your party. he says he's bringing in people from all walks of life. including in many states evangelicals. are you prepared to support an effort to take it away from him? that's the question. >> nobody's trying to take anything away from him. look, this is a presidential campaign. you have to get to 1,237 delegates to win. that's the system that we have. and the voters are going to
decide who they want to vote for. and the delegates will be awarded the way the rules set it up in each state. and as i was saying, we've got about 1100 delegates left in march and april. and if donald trump were to win 42% of those, which is what he got yesterday, 42% of the delegates, with 36% of the voter support, he would only get to about 750 delegates overall. so by the end of april, he would still be about 500 delegates short. and the point i'm trying to make, tamron, is we have a long ways to go. we're still early in this process. 29% of the delegates have been awarded. donald trump is clearly the front-runner. i understand that. but we have marco rubio, we have ted cruz, we have john kasich. and ben carson, who certainly have an opportunity to have a say in that as well. >> if donald trump hits 1237, will you support him as your
party's nominee? >> you know, i have consistently said that i'm going to support the republican nominee. and i have said that pretty readily. i will tell you, as particularly as a southerner and as an american and as a christian, that when donald trump says, is asked a question about the ku klux klan and part of his answer is, i don't know about these groups. i have to look into these groups, if you don't know where you stand on the ku klux klan, every time you're asked, i have a real problem supporting you. that's a real problem for me. >> is that a yes or no? >> look, i don't have to answer that question yes or no today. >> no, you don't. >> i'm trying to tell you candidly what i think. i will tell you the other four i would support in a heartbeat. if donald trump can't convince me, you know, this whole business about his earpiece wasn't working, but yet he knows they're asking about david duke, it just doesn't -- it seems to me he was playing to people's prejudices. and we're the party of lincoln.
and as a country, we have to be better than that. we need a candidate who can unite us. that's why i'm supporting marco rubio. marco rubio is a conservative that we can count on. and that's why i'm fighting for him. and that's why he's got a lot of support. and he's got to grow that support if he wants to be successful. >> henry, thank you so much for joining me. hope to talk to you after florida. thank you. >> yes, ma'am. >> we're bringing you breaking news. the supreme court has been hearing arguments in a case involving texas's abortion regulations. nbc justice correspondent pete williams is live at the high court. what can you tell snus. >> it's always a little tricky to predict what the supreme court is going to do based on oral argument. but it does seem, i think, that texas abortion rights advocates have dodged a bullet here. there don't seem to be five votes to straight up say that what texas has done here is constitutional. these are restrictions that limit access to abortion clinics either by saying that the doctors there have to have
admitted privileges at nearby hospitals or the clinics have to be built to the same standards as ambulatory surgical centers. there was a concern about how much of a burden these restrictions are to women's access to abortion right. the key vote is undoubtedly justice anthony kennedy who says something the state doesn't agree with, which is you have to balance the effect of the law against the state's interest in the law. the question is, how much medical necessity was there for these regulations in the first place? versus what's the effect on women? and it may well be that justice kennedy and a few other members of the court think they just can't answer that question because there isn't enough in the lower court record here to give them enough statistical evidence to say one way or another. one possibility that seems to amerge is the court is going to send this case back down to say, you know, tell us more. we need to know more about how
many women could get abortions beforehand and can't now. that seemed to be the sort of escape hatch, if you will, that supporters of abortion rights may -- the best they can hope for. >> so, just to look at how things would then proceed. this would go back for information? i think that's an interesting fact, that that kind of information was not already provided and discussed by the numbers. >> well, there was some evidence about it in the lower courts. but it's not -- it's unsatisfactory, what the justices seem to be saying here is, yeah, there's a little evidence in the trial record, but not enough for us to make this really important decision. now, what texas' position here is, you don't have to look at the medical necessity, as long as there's any rational reason at all to increase the standard of care, if you will, for women and abortions, that's enough. that's all you have to look at. but i'm not sure that justice
kennedy, who is the critical vote, agrees with that. he did seem to suggest that you have to engage in this balancing, but he also seemed to be concerned that he doesn't know enough to do it. >> all right, pete williams, interesting developments from the supreme court. a lot more to chew on there. thank you very much, pete. we'll be right back. take you upo the front of the school. that's where your friends are. seriously, it's, it's really fine. you don't want to be seen with your dad? no, it's..no.. this about a boy? dad! stop, please. oh, there's tracy. what! [ horn honking ] [ forward collision warning ] [ car braking ] bye dad! it brakes when you don't. forward collision warning and autonomous emergency braking. available on the newly redesigned passat. from volkswagen.
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something. it's the voters. and this is the key point. really it's all about delegates. donald trump won 42% of the delegates last night. that means 58% of the delegates went to somebody else. and it comes down to the convention. if he comes to the convention with less than a majority, it means that in this primary season, which has been basically yes or no on donald trump, the overwhelming majority of gop voters will have voted no. we want somebody else. and what the convention is going to do, i hope, is that for the first time since 1948, which is a long time ago, we're going to have a convention that is open. not brokered. not brokered, because again, there are no brokers who are arranging this in back rooms. they are certainly not smoke filled rooms because they're smoke free. people who want to mirror the people -- >> that was well put, but we know his supporters who feel
empowered when they see the bottom of the screen and those numbers up, they will think of the people in the back room smoking and denying. there's a potential that all hell will break loose in ohio. we know that. >> absolutely. you know, the will of the people, you try making that rational argument to the people who are supporting donald trump, who make it very clear to pollsters, to exit pollers, and in their votes that they are mad as hell. they are angry. they are angry at the establishment, angry at the republican party. if they go to cleveland and to the trump supporters' minds, try to take the nomination away from him, i worry for the republican party if it does indeed come to that. >> i think there's some republicans who will say are you really worried, jonathan capehart? >> absolutely. >> listen -- >> go ahead. >> people talk about anger. what is it that's making people angry? what's making people angry is
politicians who make promises they cannot keep, and they know they can't keep. that's donald trump. nobody actually believes that donald trump is going to build a great big wall and get mexico to pay for it. what's he going to insult the president of mexico until he hands over $25 billion? the entire thing is ridiculous. it's like selling snake oil. >> so then why is he growing the party, michael? why is the gop seeing record turnout around the country? why do you look at the map and he's winning in the south, winning in massachusetts, is he not expanding the party? >> he's not winning. there isn't a single state where he has won the majority of the votes. most people are voting against him. i know people who are coming out to gop primaries to vote against donald trump. because they believe that his direction for the country is wrong and it gets back to the snake oil. i mean, it's like if you're angry because you bought some snake oil and it didn't work and you bought a gallon of it, you come back and say i want a barrel of snake oil? that's what he's doing.
and by the way, it was what was wrong with barack obama. he promised things he could not deliver. we can't do that again. >> jonathan, i hear you. >> no, tam rn, the key thing here, in the upcoming cop tests, a lot are going to be closed primaries. that means only republicans can vote in them. that's when we will see whether michael's argument and the establishment's argument actually holds up. if a majority of the registered republicans will vote for someone other than donald trump. >> and we'll see what happens in this next debate, as we have pointed out, ten debates in, and his rivals started to bring up questions regarding donald trump's business record. when you look at repeatedly when you talk to supporters, that's something they point to. that he will work it out because he's a successful businessman. and it seems he is bothered when that aspect of his resume is challenged. thanks both for joining us. we'll see what happens. coming up, is a brokered convention the only way to stop
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♪ i voted for marco rubio. what an incredible honor to vote for myself today here in the place where i started my career in west miami, literally standing right outside on is this sidewalk is where my career began in elected office. it's an incredible honor and privilege to vote for myself for president just a few blocks from where i grew up. >> this morning, donald trump's march toward the republican nomination seems almost inevitable, but today he's won just over 300 delegates, that's still far, as you know and memorized this number by now, the 1237 needed to clinch it outright, he projected to win
the number of delegates up for grab this summer, there's a growing consensus that his momentum could be stopped all together. it could set up what many are forecasting to be a brokered convention in july. joining me now, larry, i've been hanging on to every word you've been saying lately in other words when i see you pop up, even on other networks. what do you compare this to? give folks a perspective historically of what this could be like? >> tamron, it's fascinating. there actually isn't a specific historical precedent for this, least not in the modern era. remember, until 1972, you had conventions that were boss run. so lots of strange things could happen at a convention and a dark horse could get nominated on the 100th ballot or something like that, but since 1972, think about it. when the powers that be have tried to stop a potential runner
up from becoming the nominee, they've always failed, whether it was the ford/reagan contest in 1976. reagan wasn't able to overtake ford. whether it was gary hart in 1984 trying to overtake walter mondale, he failed. hillary clinton didn't make the attempt i think wisely in 2008 and there are other examples, but this is going to be very interesting and potentially quite destructive to the republican party if they try it. >> and that's to your point regarding the destruction. it seems as if there's a central question here, what is more damaging, a donald trump nomination, or the battle to take it from him. which is more damaging? when you look at some of the republican leadership who use words like, he is dangerous for the party, he's dangerous for the world, i'm not sure how you backtrack with a series of
leaders saying that same thing. >> ah, the choice between the devil and the deep blue sea it's something we all face in life from time to time and the republican party may very well be facing it this year. the solution that probably makes the most sense that i've heard is to try to protect the senate and maybe even the house by having an independent, quote, real republican ticket. this would have to be a ticket of respected republican politicians who obviously are at the end of their career and are willing to undergo the abuse that would come from going independent, but would enable republicans who can't support trump to turn out and vote for a ticket for president and then inevitably vote for the republican candidates for senate, house, governor and dogcatcher. >> that's very interesting. ending on that note, larry, thank you so much. a lot more to talk about and we
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friends. and two weeks notice, can anyone stop donald trump before the winner take all contests on march 15th? >> i think the question is how does donald trump get to 1,237 delegates? >> head-to-head our campaign beats donald trump resoundingly. >> we will not allow the party of lincoln and reagan to fall into the hands of a con artist. >> republicans, together we have a choice, i ask you to prayerfully consider our coming together, uniting. and good day, i'm andrea mitchell in new york. donald trump and hillary clinton are not resting on their lorels, adjusting their long-term game plans, republicans savoring record turnouts. clinton broadering her base across diverse states.
and donald trump benefitted winning seven out of 11 states, alabama, arkansas, georgia, massachusetts, tennessee, virginia and vermont. hillary clinton also won seven states including a sweep of the south, alabama, arkansas, georgia, tennessee and texas plus virginia and for good measure, massachusetts in bernie sanders's back jard. our team has it all covered. peter alexander and katy tur are in palm beach, florida, where donald trump gave his victory news conference last night instead of a speech. and gabe ambiguity yar rez and kristen welker following hillary clinton with msnbc's kasie hunt in vermont with the sanders' campaign. we have a big group today. peter and katy, let's talk about donald trump. first of all, peter, the big picture, panic setting in on the republican side from some big donors what strategy do they
have if any to try to stop donald trump before the winner take all primaries on march 15th? >> reporter: yeah, andrea, it's a good question as we speak to you live from the intercoastal waterway from mar-a-lago, private club and residence of donald trump, where he is enjoying a down day. you talk about that effort by the establishment and traditional republicans to try to defeat donald trump. it's really more about denying him the nomination than, in fact, defeating him. and there's some reporting -- first reported by "the new york times" and kasie hunt and myself have had conversations with participants on that call talking about this effort by some big donors to campaigns that at a time opposed donald trump, meg whitman, they supported chris christie, scott walker and others in the past trying to unit in the last minute urgent effort to try to bring together a coalition to deny trump the nomination. they want to do it in the form of commercials on the air waves.
they believe this priority pac is to hit donald trump on a series of different topics. this came in the course of a conversation with 50 donors participating yesterday afternoon. they want to hit donald trump about some of the conflicts in the comments he's made about issues, including the topic of immigration, where they believe his position now is in contrast to what he has said about it in the past. to the comments he has made on the topics of race and about women to show him as a controversial unpresidential figure and most importantly they recognize they need to do it quickly. they have only 13 days left until the states become winner take all states and their priority will be to focus on states like illinois, missouri and florida. andrea? >> one of the questions that you asked donald trump last night was, how does he handle the fact that he is dividing the party? let's play a bit of that. >> your critics would suggest you're dividing not just the country but your party. >> i am a unifier. once we get all of this finished, i'm going to go after one person, that's hillary
clinton. the republican party has become more dynamic, it's become more diverse, we're taking from the democrats, we're taking from the independents. we have a lot more people. >> and katy tur, you were at that news conference, a news conference not a victory speech, and just watching chris christie's face, watching his eyes in realtime, it was something akin some said to a hos staj v hostage video, what is christie's view? >> it's unclear what his official role is at least going down the line. right now he has become something of a side kick to donald trump. he's been showing up at a number of rallies lately, introducing him as the next president. rallying crowds for him, hitting marco rubio, hitting hillary clinton and in a sense being the strong man for donald trump, doing his bidding you could almost say and watching him behind donald trump at that news
conference last night was certainly pretty jarring for anybody who saw chris christie run his presidential campaign, for anybody who has known chris christie as the governor of new jersey, to see him taking a back row seat to somebody else is an unusual sight, especially somebody he trashed frankly so much during the presidential election saying that we don't need an entertainer in chief. this is a strong turn around for him and in fact, six new jersey papers are calling for him to resign after this, saying that he basically ditched the state to run his presidential campaign and now he is ditching the state to back somebody like donald trump. >> well, katy tur and peter alexander, you do have the best location covering donald trump campaign. >> we're off to detroit. let's be clear, we're off to detroit. it's 20 degrees there. >> reporter: you're going tomorrow, i'm saying here today. to gabe gutierrez, this is
what marco rubio had to say today. >> i voted for marco rubio, what an incredible honor to be able to vote for myself today, here in the place where i started my career in west miami, literally standing right outside on the sidewalk is where my career began in elected office. it's an incredible privilege and honor to be able to vote for myself for president just a few blocks from where i grew up. last night was supposed to be ted cruz's night, we beat him in half the states on the ballot. we won the state of minnesota and we feel great what the map looks like now moving forward especially when we get to our home state of florida. we're excited. >> gabe, he is putting a big spin on this, but this was a really bad night for marco rubio any way you cut it. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, andrea. it was disappointing in a lot of ways and greetings from a snowy, michigan. we were in sunny, miami yesterday. you're right, it was a difficult night for the rubio campaign. they did vote to the victory in the caucuses as minnesota as their one victory. now critics can't say he ended
up 0 for 15 and picked up delegates along the way, meeting the 20% threshold like states in georgia but they failed to meet that threshold in other states and certainly a lot of the critics are wondering how much longer marco rubio can stay in the race, look, how can you claim to be a winning campaign if you're basically fighting for second at this point. you just heard marco rubio there voting early voting in that west miami precinct and that -- this is what's so crucial for the rubio campaign right now, march 15th, his home state of florida, where he got started in politics. there are a lot of questions whether he can compete with donald trump in florida who also lives in florida and has been polling there, one quinnipiac has him ahead in the double digits and another in the single digits. rubio campaign points that toan to see that considering the
strong showing donald trump showed yesterday, really rolling through many of the states, defeating marco rubio. now, the -- what the rubio campaign has also been pointing to, they are trying to spin this as this should have been a better night for ted cruz, but cruz did win texas, he did win oklahoma and he had a better night than marco rubio in terms of overall votes. but again, the rubio campaign now feels going into florida that they can perhaps salvage some of this and they are looking ahead possibly to the chances of a brokered convention, if they keep picking up delegates and stay in this race, then they could have a shot. donald trump and ted cruz both calling on marco rubio to get out of the race. rubio camp says that is not going to happen. andrea? >> gabe gutierrez in detroit. and kristen welker back to florida, hillary clinton's big wins, she took the south, she took massachusetts, she didn't have a big turnout, but she showed that she could win more diverse states. she won the white vote for the
first time but she's still lagging on white men behind on that and she's got a real gender gap on that and she's not picking up younger voters. so going forward, we have this memo from robbymook. this two-track strategy, she has to figure out how not to alienate bernie sanders's supporters, he is not going anywhere any time soon and look towards the general election. >> reporter: that's absolutely right. you started to see that two-track strategy play out last night with clinton addressed her supporters. look, she was emboldened she had a very strong night last night, andrea. she pivoted away from bernie sanders, she only mentioned him once, holding her fire, instead saving it for the republican frourn donald trump. she took aim at him. it was clear who she was talking to him without mentioning his
name. you mentioned some of the places where she really needs to work on gaining ground, white men in particular, bernie sanders beat her there, 54 to 43%. the younger voters are a real concern for her, 64 to 35% senator sanders won under the age of 30. secretary clinton is doing a better job getting the obama coalition on her side. it's the younger voters who still lag. you'll see the campaign outcrease its outreach. you heard her say things like you might not be for me but i am for you. i anticipate you'll hear a whole lot more of that moving forward. democratic strategics making it very clear, her campaign cannot call for senator sanders to get out of this race. that would alienate his supporters. they have to be very careful moving forward as they try to lock up this nomination. >> to kasie hunt, you were at a breakfast with jeff weaver on the campaign strategy going forward, one of the things that really caught my ear last night is when he said we only had 15 states, 35 to go.
he's going all the way to the convention, he says, not just all the way to new jersey, new york or california in june. >> reporter: that's right, an degree kbra. this is a pretty defiant campaign at this point. as you know, bernie sanders himself takes no small amount of umbrage when people suggest he should get out of the race to clear the way for hillary clinton. they argued this morning his senior strategists argued that they're staying in ultimately will make her a stronger nominee. they point out that she stayed in the race against barak obama until june. they were arguing that that made obama a stronger candidate. they're also, i think, going to start to hear them making this argument more and more that he is the better candidate to take on donald trump. they're pointing to some new national polling that does these hypothetical matchups that show him in a potentially stronger position against trump in the general election. i asked divine if he thought hillary clinton would be a lock to beat donald trump in the fall if they are both their respective nominees and he said
there are very serious questions about that and in another part of the conversation, even raising what happened with walter mondale and gary hart when of course hart had that unexpected affair come to light, suggesting that you never know what might happen in a democratic nomination fight, andrea. >> that's a pretty interesting suggestion. our thanks to our whole great team in the field. hope some of you get some rest at least some time soon. coming up next, about last night, record turnout on the republican side, but what did we learn from our super tuesday exit polling? that's next right here, steve kor knacky coming up. from anywhere. the microsoft cloud allows us to scale up. microsoft cloud changes our world dramatically. it wasn't too long ago it would take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome. now, we can do a hundred per day. with the microsoft cloud we don't have to build server rooms. we have instant scale. the microsoft cloud is helping us to re-build
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in the worst as second in the two or three that i might not win, i think, you know, we're a democracy, i think it's awfully hard to say that's not the person we want to lead the party, right? >> donald trump making the case that by every measure he is now the inevitable nominee for the republican party, a seven-state sweep on super tuesday, but exit polling did reveal a few cracks in the trump armor, showing where hillary clinton is losing and winning support now. with me now, steve kornacki. steve, i don't know who is more tired, you or i, but i know you've been at it all night. tell us what we know. >> let's look at the question there. the republicans who don't want to nominate donald trump, he has his voters, the rest of the party is against him, he can't unit the party. ewith thought in the exit poll we would look at this question. this is all republican voters across all the primaries in the exit poll asked would you be satisfied if ted cruz is the nominee, 56% of republicans said, yes.
if it's marco rubio, 55%, yes. if it's donald trump, 50% yes. not a huge difference there, not very high numbers there. that represents a lot of potential dissatisfaction. so we take it a step further. if cruz is the nominee, this is interesting, among donald trump's voters they say if ted cruz is the nominee, trump voters would you be satisfied or dissatisfied, nearly 60% dissatisfied. marco rubio voters would be dissatisfied with ted cruz were the nominee. trump now in this public war of words with marco rubio overwhelmingly trump voters say they're dissatisfied with marco rubio ends up being the candidate of the party. among cruz supporters, they're saying they're okay with that, about two thirds saying they would be fine with marco rubio being the candidate. here is where you see agreement, though, this is the interesting one, though, overwhelmingly both rubio and cruz voters saying if donald trump is the nominee of the republican party, 80% on the
rubio side, 71% on the cruz side are dissatisfied with that. donald trump is winning overall. he has more first choice votes than any of the candidates, what that says is basically half the party here are rubio and cruz voters and they're saying we wouldn't be satisfied with trump and half the party are trump voters and they're saying we wouldn't be satisfied with rubio and cruz. >> in two weeks this could all clarify if rubio does not win florida and kasich does not win ohio, winner take all states. let's talk about the democratic side. we've been looking at a lot of the racial -- ethic divides, the gender gap with hillary clinton did achieve in terms of greater diversity. >> interesting things there. take a look at the democratic side. this is all primary voters yesterday. this is the black vote yesterday -- excuse me, this is just georgia, i thought this was the full one, never mind, this is representative of what we saw, 83-17, hillary clinton among black voters. again, that's what we saw in south carolina. she got close to 90%. this is the number the sanders campaign was seeing this number
six months ago and said we are going to work to improve this and by the time super tuesday comes around we will be competitive for the black vote. did not happen. huge reason hillary clinton has been successful in this thing, hispanic voters yesterday especially with texas voting we got our first real thorough read on the hispanic vote, there had been some dispute out of nevada which candidate was winning this, we have no dispute now, hillary clinton got about two thirds of the hispanic vote yesterday. also white voters, hillary clinton winning them 53 to 47% -- sanders this is again georgia. we're all on little sleep. not sure how georgia got in here. >> overall she did win the white vote but not white men. >> exactly. there's a gender gap when you look at the white vote. she won women by double digits, she lost white men. hillary clinton won white women, latino men and women. >> this is the first time she has shown she can win the white vote, she has to deal with the
gender gap and the youth gap as well. >> that's right. >> steve kornacki, thanks very much. >> all right. coming up, a fractured republican party. will some of the biggest cruz critics now support the texas senator as a way to derail trump? we'll talk to michael steel coming up next. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. when my doctor told me i have age-related macular degeneration, amd we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression. and everywhere i look... i'm reminded to stick to my plan. including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula that the national eye institute recommends to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd... after 15 years of clinical studies. preservision areds 2. because my eyes are everything.
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voters, still lagging among white men. she talked about the rust belt last night and seemed to be reaching out certainly also pivoting to a general election strategy. where do you see the race right now and of course ground zero for minnesota colleagues with a bernie sanders win? >> i think first of all as you point out, andrea, she had a tremendous night last night. showed the dialogue after south carolina and nevada where she had done incredibly well how she picked up with hispanic voters and african-american voters. last night she really, really drove home the point that she has broad support throughout the counsel fri. minnesota wasn't unexpected, just like colorado or vermont, bernie's home state. for me, the overwhelming number of people we had showing up bodes well for the general election. we had lines out to the end of the block. and so i just think there's a lot of enthusiasm and i think some of that enthusiasm has been really generated by the fact that people are starting to see
donald trump as a candidate, andrea and a lot of democrats across the country are saying this is really something that might happen and we have to have the strongest candidate turned out and we have to be a united party in the end. >> but let me take you back to that because we had some numbers up just now which showed the turnout and it's the exact opposite of what happened in 2008. the turnout is down among democrats. it's down to 5,500,000 compared to republicans. the republicans are turning out inspired by either the fer rosty of their race or donald trump but democrats are staying home. >> if i could just refer, i was talking about the minnesota caucuses that had a record turnout, i understand there's been this disparity across the country. i think it's a disparity that's caused by the fact that the republicans have so many candidates. they've had a major, major race. we had one, too, and it's really important, but it's not been nearly as volatile. and i feel very good about the way our candidates have handled
this race, the way they've had some differences on issues, the way they've talked about each other. we're not having the once debate about people's bodies or whether or not you should have an endorsement from the ku klux klan, the fact they're talking about that on the republican side has been a lot of turnoff to independent voters and people across the country. i'm feeling really good about hillary's campaign but more importantly about our democratic party and the fact that people are focussing on the issues and they want to get things done for families in this country. >> let me drill down a bit on how she handles this two-track strategy because she doesn't want to alienate bernie sanders' supporters. he said last night, you know, it's only 15 states down, we have 35 to go. we're going all the way to the convention. how does she deal with that because she is farther ahead of him in delegates than barak obama ever was ahead of her in 2008? she's got what some would say is a prohibitive lead and we
haven't gotten to march 15th? >> well, i think she has always made it clear, this is not a core nation, that she is going to work for every delegate that she's going to work for every supporter. and that's what she's doing. and i don't think anyone has talked about people getting out of the race prematurely. i think the fact they're in there and talking about the issues and they are such a contrast, hillary and bernie are such a contrast to what we're seeing on the republican side right now where they are talking about literally keeping people out of their party, where they're talking about issues that we thought were decided, not just in the 1980s but in the 1880s. that's what's going on on that side right now and it's been an embarrassment to a lot of their leaders. >> and senator, donald trump said repeatedly yesterday and the day before he is going to go after her every day on e-mails and he said i'm not sure she can run because of her criminal behavior. i know that's political
hyperbole, he is sukting this will be a brutal election campaign. what should her strategy be to take him on if they do turn out to be the nominees of their parties? >> well, i think her strategy should be to focus on what matters to the people of this country. they want a president that's going to look out for them, build on the progress of president obama and get things done, not someone that's going to constantly divide people and call them names and yell at them and i understand it's appealing to a certain percentage of the republican party. i can tell you he came in third for the first time and that was in my state of minnesota. but i think that you have seen him rise up with this kind of negative politicking and i just think she will be a contrast to that. it's going to be very clear when you get into the general election. >> finally, there was at last a meeting of bipartisan senate leaders from all reports no give at all from the republican refusal to hold a hearing on a nominee. >> well, that was certainly
disappointing because we've got the constitution on our side and the people on our side on this. my hope, andrea, is that once the president nominates someone and i know it will be someone of impeccable credentials, he is taking his time to vet that person, once that name is out there, it will be something of a game changer. we're going to have a real person and all we're asking for is a hearing. all we're asking for is an up and down vote. you have to go back to the civil war to a time when a seat on the supreme court was left open for this long period of time, which they are talking about. they are just not doing their job and that's becoming clear to a lot of the senators as they get around the country that their constituents, democrats and republicans are expecting them to do their job. >> senator harry reid now says we could be a nominee within a week. are you being vetted? >> no, i'm not, andrea. i made it very clear i love my job now as i pointed out as a member of the judiciary committee, we have such an important job to get out there
and talk about the importance of filling this vacancy and then of course to take part in the hearings. i played major roles in the hearings in the past. i plan to do that in the future. as i like to joke, they are actually more women on the u.s. supreme court right now than they are on the senate judiciary committee. i think i've got a good job now and i want to do it. >> thanks very much, senator amy koebchar from minnesota. speaking of the supreme court, our man of the court, pete williams. the court heard oral arguments today in the major abortion case for this term, tate restrictions on doctors who perform abortions at women health clinics. pete williams is outside the court. you heard the arguments. tell us what happened today. >> reporter: so two restrictions that affect here, an degree yarks one requires doctor who perform abortions have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals and they have to be constructed to the same building standards as ambulatory surgical
standards. the best that the proponents of the texas law could hope for without justice scalia here is a 4-4 tie without saying anything further about precedent. i'm not sure based on what i heard today that justice kennedy is willing to be that fourth vote to straight up uphold the law. he had some doubts about it. he of course is one of the remaining justices here on the court who has voted in the previous abortion cases including the most important one casey versus pennsylvania which said that the states can restrict abortion but they can't set up an undue burden. the laws can't be an undue burden to a woman's right to choose. justice kennedy said here today is that you have to look not only at what texas intended to do here but you have to look at the effect. you have to look at the medical need for the law versus the effect on women with fewer clinics open. and the women's groups here say the number of abortion clinics in texas has been basically cut
in half from about 40 to 20 and could go to as low as 10. so, justice kennedy suggested here and some of the other justices did as well the possibility of sending this case back down to the lower courts to develop a better record, to give them more information about exactly what the burden would be, how many clinics would close directly because of this law, how many women would be so far away that it would be an undue burden for them to have to travel to now the metro centers where many clinics would still be open. texas says 90% of women of child baring age would be within 100 miles or so of a clinic, but is that enough? so, upshot here an degree yarks i don't think the court is going to vote straight up to uphold a law, they may send it back to take a closer look. >> pete williams, big issue, supreme court today. thanks so much. up next, donald trump's impact, how the front-runner could affect other republicans up for re-election in november. that's next right here on
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and michael steel joins us now. we're talking about the effect on the republican party after what happened last night. michael steel, thank you very much. first of all, what is the option to try to rally people around ted cruz when marco rubio says he's not going anywhere until after march 15th, which is florida. you have kasich in until march 15th, which is ohio. and by that point on march 15th, if donald trump takes them all winner take all, you've got a nominee. >> yeah, you do at that point. i think for rubio, kasich and cruz the battle is then over. that's not to say that the establishment types won't continue to figure out how they can snatch this victory for trump away from him at the convention, but by all measures of however you calculate who the front-runner is, who the ultimate winner is, that would be that definitive moment. so it becomes a very interesting
cat and mouse game between now and then with the upcoming debate on thursday and the jockeying in those states. particularly for someone like rubio, who has a little bit of a hill to climb there in florida, less so for kasich in ohio, this becomes a real pressure point opportunity for them to move the agenda in their direction and away from trump, but andrea, as you can see and talked about before, the momentum is there for trump right now. the base some now 45% of the base overall is saying this is the guy they want and the reconciliation of that with the establishment types, as you can see, is also very hard to come to. >> so there are calls that we understand are taking place "the new york times" first reported, paul singer, meg whitman, other big money people trying to come up with pouring money into superpacks to go against trump. are they going to rally around ted cruz who is not exactly a party favorite? here is lindsey graham last night responding to charlie rose
on this exact subject. >> ted cruz is not my favorite by any means and i don't wish him ill, but we may be in a position we have to ralery around ted cruz is the only way to stop donald trump and i'm not so sure that would work. >> but you would recommend that? >> i can't believe i would say yes but yes. >> so take us behind the scenes. what are the private conversations right now in the republican party? >> the private conversations are not what lindsey graham said, that's for sure. the private conversations is basically, look, the devil we know is worse than the devil we don't. meaning ted cruz is still not a favorite for members in the leadership, certainly in the senate, and i do not see that they're going to come to the point where they go, okay, we'll just forgive everything that -- all the anger and frustration we have with ted cruz to avoid trump. a lot of the thinking, andrea, is at the end of the day, trump is a guy they can work with. he is going to try to find the
sweet spot. he is a deal maker. ted cruz has not been a deal maker with his colleagues in the senate, so i don't see that coming around as easy as possible. but here is the edge that ted cruz has. now having the success he had last night, he can make a fervent case to conservatives across the country particularly in the winner take all states that this is the rallying point for them. this is the opportunity for them to really send the message not just to the donald trump faction of republicans, but to the establishment as a whole that this is the way forward with him. so he has a little bit more ground to stand on after last night than he did beforehand and that makes a lot of folks in washington also nervous. >> you have a lot of delegates in those winner take all states. >> that's right. >> if they all go to donald trump it's over. >> it's over, yeah. >> is chris christie now the trump whisperer? just looking at him standing behind trump, you know, i was trying to imagine what the balloon would be over his head,
how did i get into this situation? did i make a deal with the devil? >> right. >> i'm just saying, his eyes going back and forth -- is he the person who is trying to persuade donald trump not to react the way he did on sunday? >> well, a couple of things, one, i think he has -- i think there were a number of thought bubbles you could have placed over christie's head last night that would be instructive and amusing. christie could have that balancing effect with the candidate. i think, yeah, in dealing with the ku klux klan issue and dealing with the hyperbole and the noise, i think you saw the transition for trump last night in the way he approached that victory. he pulled together a press conference, unprecedented. he didn't have the ruffles and flourishes of a rousing crowd. he had a one on one with the media. and sending a message that he is going to be presidential, that he is presidential. we'll see how long that holds up, particularly with the debate on thursday, but i think someone
like christie can have that calming effect, if you will, inside that bubble to sort of tell trump, okay now this is for real. you're well on your way, don't mess it up. >> and yes or no, senators now going to try to campaign for themselves or for someone else? and just ignore the top of the ticket? >> some will try to do that, yes. some will try to do that. and i think they -- they'll do that based on their own political calculation, but i think that kind of effort overall harms the party going into the fall. >> michael steele, i'm betting you're glad you're not the head of the republican national committee right now. >> the best title i can have right now is former. >> well, at least you're current with us. thank you. >> you got it. and coming up, second fiddle more on what we're all talking about, chris christie stealing the show at donald trump's super tuesday victory news conference. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc.
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i guess you could call it the super tuesday hangover. how does hillary clinton now shift her focus? what is chris christie's new role as donald trump's most visible supporter. joining me kara lee and chris cillizza "the washington post." when might the president get into this as hillary clinton is as they point out farther ahead in delegates against bernie sanders than barak obama ever was over her in 2008? >> reporter: well, the white house is playing it close to the vest at this stage and they're saying that he's not going to endorse any time soon. however, on march 15th, one of the states that votes is illinois and so the president will have to cast a ballot by that time and presumably he will be asked who he voted for and he'll have to decide then whether or not to share that publicly. the last time he was asked about this he hinted that an endorsement could be coming sooner rather than later. >> but of course what they don't
want to do is alienate the bernie sanders' supporters, whom she is going to need. if it looks like the, quote, establishment is ganging up on bernie sanders, it only re-enforces their anger at washington and elected officials. >> reporter: that's right. at this point, you know, there's really no need to put the thumb on the scale because she is, as you mentioned, doing better at this stage in the race than barak obama was in 2008. and so, they're going to have to measure whether or not it would be something that could help or could backfire on them. as you said, it could very well backfire on them if they got in too early. >> and chris cillizza, how do you evaluate how they're focussing already on trump as compared to worrying about just the race going forward against bernie sanders? >> i mean, i think they'll continue to do the blocking and tackling in the states, andrea, to make sure they keep that delegate lead. 2008 was a sering experience when hillary clinton lost the
race essentially in february in a bunch of caucuses that her campaign wasn't ready for and -- >> 11-straight victories for obama. >> exactly. that won't happen again. that said, i think you look at her speech last night in florida after some of the results had been announced, the vast majority of that was about donald trump without saying his name. you know, we need to build up -- we need to not build more walls. we need to knock them down. so much of the rhetoric quite clearly aimed at him. she talked about the need to sort of bring love and understanding back again, sort of a response to the angriness that many people see him representing. so i think that she will be spending a lot more mind space on donald trump and rhetorically talking a lot more about donald trump. her campaign, at least a portion of it, i think will make sure they are still sort of crossing all those ts and dotting all those is in the states going forward, but as carol pointed out, this is -- the proportional
allocation of democrats makes it hard for bernie sanders to catch up to her. >> what are you hearing about the supreme court, briefly, because harry reid said we might be getting a nominee in the next week which the time frame would make sense? >> reporter: yeah, the time frame does make sense if you recall when a vacancy first became open several weeks ago, the white house was telling folks that if you look at the time frame for when the president made his last nominations it's roughly within 30 days. i expect to see something very soon, but that's going to be a huge fight and it's not clear that anything is going to happen with whoever the president puts forward at least before the election. >> and all the signals are it will be a consensus candidate, someone they would attempt to back republicans up against the wall, but after the meeting yesterday where the republicans showed no leeway at all, might he revert to a more liberal nominee or do you think it would still be someone who has such overwhelming qualifications from a republican perspective that it would embarrass the gop or attempt to?
>> reporter: i think it will be more of the latter, someone with overwhelming qualifications to box republicans in. >> thanks so much, carol lee, chris cillizza. >> thank you. coming up, the head of the organization representing the plaintiffs in today's hallmark supreme court case joining me next. this is "andrea mitchell reports." we'll be right back. it takes a lot of work... to run this business. but i really love it. i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost® to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a great taste. i don't plan on slowing down any time soon. stay strong. stay active with boost®.
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and today the supreme court heard arguments in one of the most important abortions cases in decades. and the high profile case, the first since the death of, of course, of justice scalia, they are challenging a texas law that puts very tough restrictions on state clinics. effectively closing dozens of sites. nancy northrup is president and ceo of the center for reproductive rights the organization that's representing the plaintiffs in this case and joins us from the supreme court. nancy, thanks very much. what pete williams was reporting earlier is that justice kennedy seems to be at least considering
the possibility that this does put an undue burden on women in the state of texas and that that could mean sending it back for reargument to the lower court. in that case, would that mean that the current restrictions stand until this works its way up again and all of these women in texas do not have access to the medical procedures? >> i think what really came out in the argument in the supreme court room today is what this case is at core is about. that is for over 40 years the constitution has protected women's right to make her own decisions about her health and her family. and that texas politicians have been putting undue burdens on that right by deceptive laws that pretend to be about health but are really not. i mean, these sham laws that are challenged here are hurting women in texas. they're closing clinics and that makes it hard for some women to be able to even access their legal right to abortion. the laws currently enjoined. we need to be sure that the
supreme court stands up for what they have for over 40 years, which is women have a right to access safe and legal abortion and the government can't make it hard just to make it hard. >> what did you hear today that gave you any hope that this could end up in your favor, at least pending another nominee? >> what really came out clearly in the courtroom today is that there is no medical justification for these sham laws. the american medical association and other major medical groups have all said these laws do not advance women's health in fact they hurt women's health because they are shutting down clinics. so we heard that today in the courtroom and we also heard that it is essential that women be able to be guaranteed the right that the court has said, that it's about women's dignity and decision making. and that means that a law with a false pretext of health cannot stand up and impose these kind of burdens on women in the state of texas and other states that have been passing them along.
>> nancy northrup, thank for putting up with the wind and helping us understand it. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember, follow us online, facebook and on twitter @mitchellreports. craig melvin continues live next from cincinnati, ohio, a key primary state voting 13 days from now. ♪ ♪ sfx: car driving. ♪ sfx: engine revving. ♪ ♪ sfx: car engine. sfx: car speeding away. sfx: car engine. ♪
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major battlegrounds in the race for president. both parties holding their primaries here a week from tuesday. for the republicans, it is even more crucial because the delegates at stake are winner take all, no prize for second place. the sitting governor, john kasich hoping for a home field advantage, but the big question for all the gop candidates at this point, is it too late to stop donald trump? nbc news now confirming that some major republican donors are banding together in a last-ditch effort to do just that, to block trump's march to the nomination. many former jeb bush donors like meg whitman and todd rickets jumped on a conference call this morning to put together potential lines of attack and cobble together a plan for what's being described as an all-out tv ad blitz. but they all agree that any successful effort has to happen fast before those winner take all contests that i just talked about before they happen on
march 15th. by now, you've probably heard the billionaire businessman had quite the super tuesday indeed, continuing to run up the score as you can see there. he overwhelmed his rivals last night by taking everything from new england to below the mason dixon line, west to arkansas. the other candidates, though, they still have a chance to blunt his momentum with four gop contests saturday in kansas, in kentucky, louisiana and maine as well. our team of correspondents fanned out across the country are here to tell us where this roller coaster race goes next. katy tur is in palm beach, florida, with donald trump and gabe gutierrez is in michigan. the score as you know it now, gabe, trump 10, rubio 1. what possible silver lining does rubio see in all those clouds above when he arrives in michigan today? >> hey, there, craig, good
afternoon. marco rubio does arrive here in michigan later this afternoon. he has a rally ahead of tomorrow's debate here in michigan. his campaign is saying, look, the media is so focussed on this state wins and losses campaign was able to pull out a victory in the minnesota caucuses yesterday. what the campaign is focussing on and what they're trying to spin right now is that this is all about delegates. and that marco rubio was able to pick up some delegates and crack that 20% threshold in some states to keep racking up that delegate count. they are prepared if necessary to go all the way to a brokered convention. as you mentioned, craig, the juggernaut that tom -- donald trump had yesterday really steam rolling through many of the southern states lot of critics are wondering whether the marco rubio campaign is sustainable long term if it can't stop donald trump. ted cruz also pointing to some victories in texas and oklahoma, specifically. marco rubio voted this morning, early voted in his home state of florida outside a polling place
and here is what he had to say about ted cruz's chances. take a listen. >> you know, last night was supposed to be ted cruz's night. we beat him in half the states on the ballot. we won the state of minnesota. we picked up a lot of delegates and we feel great what the map looks going forward especially in the home state of florida. we are going to win florida. we feel great about it. >> the rubio campaign looking forward to the michigan primary here on march 8th. new poll just released by the detroit free press and several other local media organizations says that donald trump is ahead by about ten percentage points here in michigan but there's a battle for second place between marco rubio and ted cruz. someone that put in a lot of time here is john kasich. he is polling in the single digits in that poll. so the rubio campaign feels they can do very well here in michigan but also looking forward to florida and that will be absolutely crucial for the marco rubio campaign, his home state of florida where he grew up, where he got into politics and where he had that battle with jeb bush leaping into this race despite what the florida establishment wanted him to do.
that will be huge for the rubio campaign. that's on march 15th. he had his rally last night on super tuesday really kicking off his florida campaign there. and he plans to be back in florida over the next couple days. that could be his last stand. but again his campaign saying they're prepared to take this all the way to the convention and they're looking at the delegate map right now. craig? >> marco rubio pledging a win in florida, also promising to campaign in all 50 states. gabe gutierrez there in michigan where the florida senator will be later. gabe, thank you. katy tur standing by for us there in the aforementioned sunshine state. let's talk about this anti-trump push by some prominent republican donors we mentioned off the top here. we've seen a tax on trump university as you know, on trump's position on immigration, on abortion, on barring muslims from entering the country, some of the things he said about women in the past in spite of all of that we have still seen him rack up some huge wins. will the campaign concede, katy
that a coordinated effort might be more effective and how do they plan to fight that? >> reporter: well, they don't think that a coordinated effort will be more effective. if they do they're not going to say so on the record. right now they've been able to push back pretty well against those fights, those attacks on his immigration record, on his attacks against women or his record with women i should say. and also on his business record. i will say, though, that over the past couple days when marco rubio started hitting him harder for trump university, hitting him harder for his bankruptcies, hitting him harder for his -- the money he got from his father, that did seem to get under donald trump's skin. so that may be a line of attack that does work against him, at least to get him off of his game. but so far when they talk about immigration, the folks that go to these trump rallies don't believe the establishment. they don't believe the donors when it comes to people trying to tear his immigration plan apart. they believe that donald trump is going to build that wall. as for his record with women, i
know that hillary clinton tried to do that a little bit earlier, tried to talk about his record with women, tried to claim that he was sexist. well, donald trump immediately hit back against hillary clinton and she brought up her husband bill clinton's record with women and his past indiscretions and that argument didn't go much further from there. this private call that "the new york times" first reported and nbc news has confirmed was between a number of very big donors. they weren't necessarily saying they should back a particular candidate but they do want to try and form some sort of attack coalition with ads against donald trump on those three subjects. it's unclear if that's going to work, at least within this republican primary. that is the sort of thing that could work in a general election campaign. >> katy tur, palm beach, florida. katy, thank you. kelly o'donnell in d.c. kelly, it seems like the establishment perhaps continues to move the goal posts. they now say that trump has to be stopped before march 15th,
before those winner take all primaries. on monday they said he would have to be stopped before super tuesday. if you asked them last month it was before south carolina. is there now a general consensus that march 15th is the absolute drop dead date to stop donald trump? >> i don't think there is. and i think that you've got sort of symptoms of panic in those moving goal posts time lines. and the fact as katy pointed out, it's not like this group of donors and power brokers has assembled around one other candidate. so you're really talking about a multi-point sort of goal. take down donald trump and then how do you get another candidate to be accept to believe the electorate? and the more those in power with money, with influence, with connections talk about trying to take donald trump out of this, the more that certainly animates his voters and makes their point in effect. so it is a real challenge. now, those who are having these conversations, i think, are serious about it. i think they have very strong feelings that trump should not be the face of the party and
they're concerned about things that we might not be talking about as much but the effect on other races around the country, senate, house, governor races, where you could see some sort of an unintended consequence harming republicans elsewhere. that's a real problem that could have long-term implications for the party and it's part of why the earth is shaking below republicans who are trying to do this. in many ways they are responsible for this problem in terms of those who have had the opportunity to direct the party have not been responsive to the voters who are making their voices known now. and donald trump has been in this race since last june and they have not been able to put the money or the message behind an effective strategy to weaken him. and so, really this is kind of a flailing attempt with some very smart people and a lot of money to try to change the course of this. will it work? we'll have to see. craig? >> kelly, i wanted to talk to you about the sheer optics of
chris christie standing behind donald trump last night and what many are saying was staged to look like a presidential news conference. you spent a lot of time with chris christie, but we just got word while you were speaking that the most immediate republican presidential nominee, mitt romney, has announced that he is going to be holding a news conference tomorrow morning in utah at 11:30 a.m. tomorrow. we'll hear from governor romney. all we're getting right now is that he is going to talk about the state of the race. kelly o. what do you make of that? what do you make of mitt romney tomorrow talking to reporters, presumably taking questions about the state of this race? >> well, the last nominee of the party is always sort of the elder voice of the party. and we know that mitt romney wampbted very much to consider a run himself many months ago. and there was a brief blip of him sort of offering himself up and then some of these same
power brokers we were just talking about that shut that down quickly believing that romney could not be successful a second time if he had not been the first. but we have seen him try to use twitter in a way that kind of counteracting donald trump to send some messages to voters, to the parties to be a grownup voice. so for mitt romney, if there is any time to try to exert his influence to make his case, to try to direct the party this is a time to do it. those who are most involved in these campaigns over time really do know sort of how it all fits together in ways that even observers who follow this day to day don't necessarily understand. and what i mean by that, is they -- he understands the donor class, he understands the issues of accumulating delegates. back in 2008, he was one of those people talking about trying to accumulate delegates while john mccain became the nominee. mitt romney has a lot to say. it is striking that he is going to put himself forward in this
way and if he's going to step forward, he needs to make news and i suspect he understands that and will try to do so. >> mitt romney is not one of these guys you see in front of tv cameras taking questions on a regular basis. we do know that over the past week or so he has repeatedly suggested that donald trump release his tax returns. so it will be very interesting to see what the governor says tomorrow. always good to see you my friend, thank you so much kelly o'donnell in washington, d.c. this afternoon. we would like to hear from you. should the gop establishment unite and rally against donald trump? you can vote right now at pulse.msnbc.com. we will check on those results a little bit later in the hour. the state's gop has already endorsed their native son in this race, governor john kasich, who hopes that he can make a big showing here on march 15th, despite being behind in most polls, but other republicans are making big plays for ohio as well. donald trump spent part of his
super tuesday stumping here. he was in columbus, talked to a crowd of thousands. he talked about how important it is for him to take the buckeye state. >> today's such a big day and i shouldn't be here because i shouldn't be thinking about this. i should be thinking about tonight, but ohio is so important to me. winning ohio is so important. it's going to send a signal like nothing else. winning ohio is so, so important. so, we have to get it. >> no republican has gone on to win the presidency in the general election without winning ohio. meanwhile, the democrats are also pushing hard to win here for the second time in less than two weeks, bernie sanders reportedly heading back to ohio this weekend as he tries to make some in roads with this state's sizable black electorate. so what will it take to win over ohio's voters? i talked to a few of them this morning. >> for me, the issues that matter are social. they're, you know, issues that
affect me personally, women's rights. they are life rights. they are things like that that really mean a lot to me this time. >> we've got poverty rates that are really, really high right now. african-americans are still doing way worse than caucasians. people are still looking for work. we need somebody who is ready on day one. >> i want to bring in john london from our cincinnati station. carl wiser is here. carl, let me start with you. we'll put some numbers up on our screen for our viewers at home. these are some queen bpea yak numbers and shows a tight race in ohio. trump is at 31, kasich is at 26, cruz as you can see there 21, marco rubio at a distant fourth there. how tight is this race going to be on the 15th? >> i think it's going to be pretty tight, depending on what john kasich does. now, if john kasich has a bad
day in michigan next week or in between there, he may decide that it's not worth the potential embarrassment of losing ohio and he may pull out in which case it would probably be trump run away. >> so you think there's a chance if the two-term ohio governor doesn't farewell in michigan's primary next week he doesn't show up for ohio? >> there's a chance. i think because that would be a big risk to take the chance of losing your home state. and he had -- when he started the campaign, he had promised that the one thing he would do is not embarrass himself. that would probably be an embarrassment to lose his home state to donald trump. >> john, let me come to you on that because we heard from the kasich campaign in the past they have said that if they don't win in ohio that they will get out, but we have not heard, in fact, despite some top level republicans suggesting last night among them senator mitch mcconnell according to buzz feed suggesting that kasich get out of this thing to help marco
rubio if for no other reason. what do you make of this? >> the pressure is starting to build and despite what carl says and what he says may very welcome to pass, i got to believe kasich is in this through ohio. from what i know about team kasich and the kasich campaign, his blue collar roots, i think he goes all the way through, up through his home state. his home court, his home territory. he knows he has to win here. i do think a poor michigan finish will say a lot about it, but my guess would be he would play it through march the 15th and see what happens. he definitely, as he has said, has to win ohio in terms of being viable after that. so that's his strategy to try to do fairly well in michigan. i'm not sure what fairly well might mean, maybe third place might mean fairly well if it's fourth, it could be a problem. but i think he is in it through the buckeye state. >> carl, how does a sitting two-term governor not win his home state? >> well, john kasich has -- even though he did win a big
re-election victory, he's actually not been overwhelmingly popular with all the republicans in the state and of course this is a republican primary. >> why is that? what has he done in particular? >> well, probably one of the principle things he did was he expanded medicare as part of obama care. that did anger some of the republican base. he supports common core, which to some parts of republicans is something that needs to be -- >> specially republican primary voters. >> especially republican primary voters. so he is not overwhelmingly popular among republicans. his approval ratings are still high, but trump, you know, here is a governor who has been governor here for six years. trump held two campaign rallies here which is more campaign rallies than kasich has had and is leading in the latest polls. >> john, let's turn to the democrats really quickly. hillary clinton continues to enjoy a sizable lead in ohio according to this quinnipiac
poll. does bernie sanders have a chance at all in ohio? >> oh, i think he has a chance. but when you talk to most democratic leaders they will tell you what dame out of super tuesday really solidifies hillary's campaign and she has done well in ohio here in the polling. ohio, as you know, a very critical swing state and so the clinton campaign will put a lot of effort into ohio. they believe she will win here, that this will be her state and they think that this is moving in hillary's direction right now based on what has happened particularly last night. >> john london, carl weiser big thanks to both of you. you know ohio just about anybody else. appreciate your time and insight. thank you. so much ahead this hour as we kick off our ohio primary coverage live from the coffee impore yum in cincinnati. i already had five cups. can you tell, carl? the city's mayor is going to join me on the other side of
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more now on that breaking news we told you about just a few moments ago, governor mitt romney, the republican presidential nominee from just four years ago, holding a news conference tomorrow morning in utah to talk about the state of the 2016 race. kasie hunt, of course, coffered governor romney. she is standing by for us in burlington, vermont. what more can you tell us about what we can expect to hear from
governor romney tomorrow? >> reporter: hey, craig. a source close to governor romney tells me this is not going to be an endorsement or a statement of candidacy. rather this is going to be romney addressing this institute. he'll be giving a speech about the state of the republican party and about how things should look going forward. i think you might want to take a look at governor romney's twitter feed of late to get an idea of what he's going to say. i think we can expect more from him along those lines. he, of course, has criticized donald trump -- i'm just going to read some of these most recent tweets. he says, quote a disqualifying and disgusting response by real donald trump to the kkk. his coddling of repugnant bigotry is not the character of america. he also has criticized donald trump for not releasing his tax returns, referencing his own release of his taxes in two kind of waves over the course of the 2012 campaign and suggesting that there may be a bomb shell inside of donald trump's taxes
that would give people pause. what you can expect tomorrow from governor romney is him stepping out into this elder statesman type of role in the republican party. now, that's of course something that he has resisted doing over the course of last couple of months. he decided not to endorse ahead of the new hampshire primary and of course he himself decided not to run for president about this time a year ago when at that time governor jeb bush would seen as the campaign juggernaut. he, of course, now out of this race. so romney of course in a much different position. but i think this is all part of the republican party now grappling with donald trump in a very -- in a new way and sort of realizing that they may for those who don't want him to be the party's standard barer they may have done too little and now could be too late, craig. >> mitt romney speaking tomorrow. since you instructed me to do so, i checked out governor romney's twitter feed.
you're right, over the past two weeks he has mentioned donald trump in about three quarters of his tweets. that is of course nonscientific. i wasn't able to count all of them while you're speaking. kasie hunt in burlington, vermont where we saw senator sanders last night. thank you. let's turn to the democratics right now, bernie sanders pledging to fight on, hillary clinton riding high in the race for the democratic nomination right now. it was the big night that clinton had been hoping for, leaving no doubt that she is, in fact, the party's clear front-runner. she won seven super tuesday states. she picked up 461 delegates, bernie sanders took the remaining four states and picked up 295 delegates. meanwhile, good news for both clinton and sanders, a new national poll shows both democrats easily beating the republican front-runner donald trump in hypothetical matchups. you can see that cnn/orc poll right there. let's turn to kristen welker who is in miami where hillary
clinton celebrated her victory last night. i imagine hillary clinton has to be feeling good today. >> she absolutely is, craig. her campaign is feeling good. he is so lidfied her roll as the front-runner and took one step forward to clinching the nomination. she had an incredibly strong showing last night. those seven states that she won fueled in large part by african-american voters and some of those state, craig, she got 80 to 90 points higher than bernie sanders. she lost to white males and those younger voters she really strugglings there, that's the part of the obama coalition she really has yet to win over. she knows she has to work on that moving forward. she is so emboldened that she stopped taking aim at senator sanders. she only mentioned him once last night. she took direct aim at the gop front-runner donald trump. she never mentioned him by name but it was very clear who she was talking about. take a listen. >> we know we've got work to do.
but that work, that work is not to make america great again. america never stopped being great. we have to make america whole. we have to fill in, fill in what's been hallowed out. [ crowd chants usa ] >> reporter: craig, they were fired up there last night. i can tell you that. look, senator sanders very insistent, though, he is not backing down. he is looking at states like ohio, illinois, michigan. you'll recall he got the big, big crowds in michigan and he thinks he could do well in some of those states and he has tens of millions of dollars in the bank. he raised $40 million in the month of february. secretary clinton raised 30
million. he has plenty of money to keep it going. he'll keep it going until the convention. secretary clinton her campaign saying, look, they don't think they can put this race out of reach mathematically until at the earliest march 15th. that is when florida votes. that's why she held her big party here last night. craig? >> kristen welker in florida this afternoon. kristen, thank you. as we've been reporting as kristen just mentioned there ohio a big gap on the path to the presidential nomination and we can expect to see a whole slew of candidates from both parties passing through ahead of the march 15th primary here. to get a sense of what's happening on the ground, i talked to some ohio voters a short time ago. >> i expect the super tuesday to be a big day for hillary. i expected trump to pull it out. i think we'll see. we'll see. we were hoping ohio will be at that point we'll know who our final two are and be able to go forward. >> is this kasich country? >> that depends on who you ask. if you're asking me i would say
yes. however, if you ask my fiance, he would say no. >> what do you make of the race so far? >> little confusing, little clouded. little bit of a circus act all in the same sentence. >> i'm joined now by democratic mayor of cincinnati john cranley, he is supporting hillary clinton. you know, i want to talk about something that the gentleman we just showed there said to me a few hours ago, i'm not really excited about any candidate. i voted for obama twice. if i had my druthers we would have amend the constitution and let president obama run for a third term. in terms of enthusiasm in ohio, come parped to what you saw here four years ago, how does this -- or eight years ago, how does this compare? >> well, first, craig, thanks for being in cincinnati at this great local establishment and we're so glad that msnbc is here. i think that the entire country is going to get it very excited. i mean, a lot is at stake.
i think obama has done a great job. i think hillary clinton is going to do a great job, but obviously we've been in power for eight years and what's now coming into focus, however, is that our candidate wants to give the middle class a raise. donald trump who is clearly going to be the candidate for the republicans doesn't believe in raising the minimum wage. and he's engaging in a style that is not about uniting the country. >> whatever you say about -- whatever you say about his substance, i was here four years ago, here in cuyahoga county and spent a lot of time in cleveland. there was a great deal of excitement, great deal of enthusiasm. i don't sense that this time around. i sense that you've got a lot of folks who are out there holding their nose casting votes. on the democratic side, especially. is that not the sense you get? >> well, i think people are anxious about their own economic well being and the reality is that, you know, the middle class needs a raise. the minimum wage needs to be raised. we need to make sure that
prosperity gets to everybody. some people have been left behind. the reality as president obama has gotten us out of the worst recession since the great depression, but the republicans in congress have stymied him from expanding that opportunity. so i think that that not surprisingly frustrates people, but that's makes this election so much more important. you've got a candidate who blaefs in giving the middle class a raise, hillary clinton, versus trump who doesn't believe in raising the minimum wage and that's a clear difference in values. >> john kasich the two-term governor here in this state, trailing according to the latest quinnipiac poll by 5% outside the margin of error. what do you make of that? what do you make of the fact that donald trump has managed to surge ahead of sitting reasonably popular governor in ohio? >> well, listen, i think trump is a frightening phenomenon. this is a guy who in the last six months has -- seemingly
praised putin for having reporters killed. admitted to calling women fat pigs. questioned whether certain women were qualified to ask him questions. and wants to put a religious test on immigration. these -- a lot of people don't care about process because it's more about getting -- what i've said three times getting a minimum wage increase, but this is the heart of who we are as a nation, our bill of rights. and what we -- what we're seeing from trump is playing to the worst fears and the worst prejudices and it's very scary time. so, but it's clear based on the results last night regardless of what governor kasich does in ohio that trump will be the nominee and i hope that that will bring a lot of republicans over to vote for hillary. >> hillary clinton who is up by 15 percentage points right now here in ohio. mayor john cranley, mayor of cincinnati, it's a great city. i wish it would warm up a bit but it's a great city nonetheless. more breaking news on mitt romney making a big speech on
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just a day after super tuesday, one line seems to sum up the current state of the race on the republican side, especially. democrats are falling in line, republicans are falling apart. that's how "the new york times" put it this morning after trump swept contests from the northeast to the deep south, winning seven states in all. and while it is not over yet, those victories do help place trump on a much clearer path to the party's nomination. i want to bring in new york times political reporter nick con fe sorry.
let's talk about this mitt romney news conference tomorrow again, the former gop republican presidential nominee expected to make an announcement of some sort tomorrow on the 2016 race. you spent a lot of time covering romney. what do you surmise he might say tomorrow? let's play the speculation game. >> so i don't -- so he is not going to come out and say it's time -- he is not going to mount a last ditch presidential bid. i think mitt romney sees himself as kind of the father figure of his party. he was the most recent nominee for the party. and i feel he thinks he has a duty to speak out against trump and trumpism and try to take a stand. so i expect to see a speech about the direction of the party under trump and what it would mean for the party and how to fix it. >> but you got to think that team trump is just -- they're anxiously awaiting this news conference because, you know, 20, 30 minutes after he probably
gets in front of a microphone and says, oh, romney, don't listen to him. that guy lost four years ago. so doesn't this just fuel the trump fire? >> i mean, the pure trump move would be to go on camera somewhere else during the speech and then start tweeting a bit later and attack mitt romney. >> that's right. >> so there's a certain sense in which the failed nominee of the party in the past, the guy who couldn't broaden the appeal of the party to then take on the guy who, in fact, has been able to find some democrats and independents to come out for him in these primaries, it is sort of counterintuitive. but look, if there is anybody who represents the true gop establishment, the core of the business wing of the party, it's mitt romney. and i think that they think that they and the country have a lot to lose if donald trump is carrying the banner for republicans in november. >> nick, i want to call your attention to something that our bingi sarlin wrote this, quote,
donald trump is on the verge of winning the republican nomination and the gop is plum meting into a civil war that promises to redefine the party -- or destroy it entirely. nick, does the republican establishment risk alienating republican voters who are supporting donald trump? >> first let's define our terms here. the civil war is occurring between some elected leaders of the party and the party's intellectuals who believe that trump is not committed to their ideas. but the voters seem to be deciding who the nominee should be and they seem very fine with donald trump and are handing him a lot of victories. i'm not sure that's quite the right frame. it's more the elite against a big part of their base. i do think, though, if you look at what's coming out now from the cruz campaign from marco rubio's campaign, it's all talk of how to get to the convention and kind of stop trump at the convention on perhaps a second delegate vote after the first
vote which of course delegates are bound to the candidate they were first bound to. i can't think of anything worse for the party or more likely to blow up this whole thing even more than if the party elite somehow schemes to take away a nomination that trump would otherwise feel he had won. and even if he doesn't have enough delegates going into the convention but has more than anybody else and leaves without the nomination, i think that is a huge problem and will be hugely die vicive for the party going into november. >> nick con fe sorry new york times. thank you, good sir. always good to see you. thank you. >> you too. more from cincinnati next in the make or break primary for governor john kasich who really needs to notch a win in his home state of ohio. as we take a look at some of the sights in this fantastic city. the head of the state's republican party joins me right after this. hey!
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♪ back now from cincinnati where march 15th is a high-stakes game for republicans here in ohio, especially. whoever wins the primary here in two weeks will walk away with all of the state's 66 delegates. and what happens in ohio could very well make or break the campaign of at least one republican contender, ohio governor john kasich. right now, this is still anyone's race in ohio in one of the closest contests that we've actually seen so far, donald trump holding a small 5% lead over kasich in a poll that was conducted last week by quinnipiac university. matt borges, he and the state gop have endorsed kasich. thank you so much for being with me, matt. >> great to be here, craig. thank you. >> what's it going to take for governor kasich to overtake trump for first place here? >> well, i think governor kasich
is going to carry the state on the 15th. all it really takes is reminding ohioans about the great job he has done as governor. i listened on the last couple segments and referred to him as the somewhat popular governor of the state. he has a 64% approval rating in ohio. he's got an 80% approval rating among republicans and has done a great job. he inherited a disaster from ted strickland and turned the state around and ohioans will reward him for that. >> if he were so popular, he would be ahead in his home state by a significant margin instead of down by five. especially considering donald trump is only held two rallies in ohio. >> we have seen polling where he is ahead. we've seen head-to-head polling with he and donald trump where he is well ahead, 20 points ahead. of course the most important thing is who can win ohio in the fall? when you have that head-to-head theoretical matchup with hillary clinton, we had two polls out last week, one that has john kasich beating hillary clinton by 17 points and another one
beating her by 19 points. no republican has ever gone to the white house without carrying ohio. john kasich will carry ohio and he is our nominee. he'll help us win the white house in the fall. >> governor kasich hasn't won a single primary just yet, picked up only 25 delegates so far. according to buzz feed article a number of folks last night were wringing their hands over the fact that kasich probably cost rubio virginia. he certainly hurt him in massachusetts. why shouldn't he drop out at this point? why shouldn't he drop out and back -- ted cruz or back a marco rubio, someone who could legitimately beat donald trump? >> governor kasich can clearly beat donald trump. we've seen the head-to-head matchup here in ohio. you could say the same thing about marco rubio preventing john kasich from winning vermont and actually john kasich did better than marco rubio did better in massachusetts last night, at least the last numbers i saw. so, we still have a crowded
field. we still have donald trump with a flur alty but not a majority at the top of some of those polls but we cracked the veneer last night that the belief that donald trump is invincible. he lost several states and he'll lose more along the way, including ohio on the 15th. >> hey, matt, if and when donald trump does become the nominee, do you back him? do you vote for donald trump in november? >> the best way to make sure we don't have to deal with that question is to nominate john kasich or someone else from our field, but we've said all along we'll support the nominee whoever -- we said all along, craig, we'll support the nominee whoever that is because whoever the republican is that emerges from this field will be better than the crook or the socialist that the democrats have running. >> so you will vote for donald trump? all right. ohio republican party chair, matt borgess. thanks for your time. he is san hour and a half north of where we sit right now in cincinnati. he is in columbus.
>> thanks, craig. bernie sanders rallying supporters right now. he is in portland, maine. he is at the state theater there. let's listen in. >> let me thank, um, i guess one of vermont's heroes who is now tr transplanted, john fishman. john? thank you. john and fish have made new england proud. they are one of the great bands, have been one of the great bands in this country, so john we thank you very much. let me thank all of you for coming out on such short notice. i think we sent the e-mail out yesterday morning, so thank you. [ cheers and applause ]. >> you know, when we -- when we
began this campaign about ten months ago, the pundits and the media considered us a fringe candidacy, someone not to be taken seriously. >> don't listen to the media! [ cheers and applause ]. >> well, seems to me we have come a very long way in ten months. [ cheers and applause ]. >> when we began this campaign, we were about 60, 70 points behind secretary clinton. in the last couple weeks, we're in single digits. a few of the polls have us ahead. [ cheers and applause ]. >> we were up against a candidate supported by the entire political establishment,
somebody almost universally known, someone who had been anointed as the inevitable nominee. well, guess what, she's not so inevitable today. [ cheers and applause ]. >> in iowa, first caucus state, we were 50 points down. we ended up in a virtual tie. in new hampshire, we were 30 points down and we won that state big. [ cheers and applause ]. >> and last night we had an extraordinary night. it was really something. in minnesota we took on the democratic governor and two united states senators and we won there by 24 points.
[ cheers and applause ]. >> and we're going to continue to do rocky moint tanz -- mountains in colorado. we took on the establishment there, we won by 19 points. [ cheers and applause ] >> in the southwest, in oklahoma, we won by 10 points. [ cheers and applause ] >> and in massachusetts, again taking on the political establishment, we lost by one point, but we're going to end up getting almost 50% of the delegates. [ cheers and applause ]
>> and in vermont, your sister state -- [ cheers and applause ] >> -- where the people have kind of known me for a very long time, it was a close election. we only won by 72 points. [ cheers and applause ] >> and we end up getting all of the delegates from vermont. [ cheers and applause ] >> now, given the fact that the pundits have been wrong from day one, almost everything that they have reported about this campaign has turned out to be inaccurate, i am very, very excited when i read in the "washington post" today from some write-up who said that, quote, all the pundits are
calling the race for clinton. that means we're probably going to win in a landslide! [ cheers and applause ] >> there you have it, bernie sanders, the vermont senator taking a shot at punditry as he thanked supporters there in maine and vermont. voters, of course, will be heading to the polls on march 15 in ohio when both parties will be holding their primaries. one key group may be younger voters. it turned out with this particular group in the last presidential election was higher here in ohio than the national average. we are, again, at coffee emporium. you can always sucker some kids into a live interview if you offer them free coffee. thank you so much, university of cincinnati, president of the college democrats. morgan miller here secretary of the college republicans at the university of cincinnati. you are a john kasich supporter,
you are a big hillary clinton supporter. let me start with you since we just heard from bernie sanders. why hillary? >> personally, from knowing her for a long time, from going over her history, i think she's the best qualified candidate. she has a lot of experience, but what matters in that experience is what she did as secretary of state, as a senator. that really gives her the qualifications that she can be the best president of the united states. >> experience, yes, but is she exciting? when you talk to your young friends about hillary clinton, is there that enthusiasm, that fire in the belly? >> i think there is. a couple weeks ago, we had president bill clinton come to cincinnati. we actually had a lot of the students from college democrats come, and after that meeting there really started to be a big excitement for her among the fellow students. it was something we hadn't really seen in a while, but i think once the campaign starts to hit cincinnati, we'll see a big change in the student perspective. >> morgan, you are not just a john kasich supporter. you've been on the road, you've
been to new hampshire, you've been canvassing. why is the governor not doing very well in his own state, do you think? >> i think he needs to focus on getting out the vote efforts here. he's kind of been focusing on everywhere else, but once he focuses on back home, he'll get more support here. >> why are you a kasich supporter? >> i think he's the most qualified, he has experience in our congress. he has successfully led ohio. we were struggling significantly economically, and he has led us from the ashes. >> do you think that his expansion of medicaid under obamacare is something that's going to help or hurt him here? >> i think it actually might hurt him a little bit, but something many people don't realize is he either had to do that or create his own system which would have cost the taxpayers five times as much, which would have been very detrimental, especially since we were in the middle of a recovery here. >> as a card-carrying democrat, who would you rather face on the
republican side? >> that's a very good question. it really depends. kasich on the republican side, probably, seems to be the most moderate. yet he still, i think, is pretty extreme. >> you think kasich is extreme? >> i do, yeah. >> really. >> compared to everybody else, though, i do believe that he is like the most, i guess, sane is what i'm really going for. >> okay. what do you make of the race so far just in general, morgan? >> i think this election has thrown all of the political whirls out the window. if you would have asked me last year if this was going to happen, donald trump is doing a lot better than i would have expected. >> if kasich doesn't manage to rise from the ashes and secure the nomination, do you become a trump supporter? will you phone bank? will you canvass for donald trump in new hampshire as you have for john kasich? >> i honestly don't know. i need to see what happens. it's questioning my republican values by doing that.
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it is 1:00 p.m. on the panhandle. this is a military community with aif yaviators and marines d here. there is a famous quote that says "don't give up the ship." that was in a dying command in a battle with a vessel in the early 1800s. in this state, 200 years later, it may be the last rallying cry for established republicans, don't give up the ship. it may be the last stand for party regulators in two weeks, florida take all, 99 delegates into play. that's thanks to donald trump's electorate that people are saying, don't give up the ship. he took a decisive victory in yesterday's primary.
ted cruz got the state of alaska and oklahoma and held on to the state of texas. not as much as he'd like, however. marco rubio got his first state win, thanks to the minnesota caucus. after all of that, here's where we stand right now. donald trump with an enormous delegate lead on the gop side. he needs 1,237 for the nomination. for the establishment, the clock is ticking and fast. they have two weeks to regroup for the next big day of primaries. we're already hearing about an anti-trump fundraising call like george bush donors discussing new lines of attack. and their mission -- you guessed it -- don't give up the ship. we have correspondents fanned out across the country today to start's race in kansas to next week in michigan, and the keymarked states of ohio and florida. that's where we want to start. to give you an idea of how big this state is, we want to travel
to the opposite side of the state, nine hours away, and in palm beach, florida. that's where we find katie tur with trump. it was a huge victory to secure the party's nomination, but what was the tone in the trump camp? >> reporter: it was a little bit more presidential, if you can describe it that way, last night. he appeared in his ballroom in mar-a-lago which is just over my shoulder behind me, which sort of looked like the east room of the white house with the flags behind him. he also changed his tone a bit. he was a little bit more measured. he didn't go on the attack as much. he didn't talk about the muslim ban until efhe was asked. the candidate clearly feeling good last night. but once we've asked him to change his tone, become more measured, something the establishment hopes they see if he does get the nomination, donald trump has quickly said something outrageous to create the new cycle whenever it's gotten away from him.
he's close to securing -- he's certainly in the lead with delegates, but he's not that close to securing the nomination yet. he could be much closer after march 15 with winner take all states like ohio and florida where we are now. but if ted cruz does well in texas border states, and if marco rubio does well with college-educated professionals in a place like north carolina, that could push this contest down to the end of the line. that's on june 7 when new jersey and california vote. so we could still have quite a long way until this is locked up. it could potentially not get locked up. he could potentially not get 1,237 votes, which is the magic number. that would push this into a race of contention, and that's if we have rubio and ted cruz still in it. >> and katie, when it comes to the context of what you talk about, the next media cycle, and i was reading your e-mail and it was fascinating to think about
that, because this is kind of the lull before the next media storm for donald trump to get the headlines back. one thing, you bring up new jersey. let's talk about chris christie with trump last night at that speech. we've got, in new jersey today, the governor taking on some fire because there are the editorial boards of six different jersey papers coming together to condemn what they call neglect, opportunism and hypocrisy by the governor. in the meantime, social media had a real field day taking jabs at the expression on christie's face at that press conference behind donald trump. so from what you're seeing, is christie still in the campaign? >> it appears so. he's been appearing with him at rallies, he's been introducing him as the next president of the united states. it makes you wonder if he's being promise ad a running mate position, potentially. we asked christie about this and
he says he plans to serve out his term in new jersey. we asked trump about this, and he said they haven't had this conversation, although he has praised chris christie a number of times. although he was reelected in new jersey e not a popular figure there. his approval ratings are pretty low. they've gotten lower since he endorsed donald trump. he's high profile with some of his constituents. so the idea that there are six jersey papers asking him to resign is not a surprise, but it does show you what an unpopular figure he might be in new jersey, but donald trump is certainly banking on him to be able to be his strong arm, if you will, across the country. >> katie tur reporting at the trump campaign in beautiful palm beach, florida today. katie, thank you so much. we want to go to bob, msnbc contributo contributor. you have some news from the
carson camp. what is it? >> the news is ben carson plans to tell people in the next hour that he does not see passing in the campaign, and he plans to take time off. he plans to make a speech in maryland. this won't be to continue the campaign, though, he plans to talk about ending his bid. >> baltimore being his adopted city where he had a watch party last night, a lot of people had questioned how ben carson was staying in the race beyond nevada after the poor showing there, and people were saying that while they didn't think he had a path, there was no real reason for him to get out. what do you think changed? >> well, what we're watching right now is carson acknowledging super tuesday and the results in 11 states. very disappointing, though he briefly led the republican race last year, he does not see a
path forward. based on my reporting, carson met with his inner circle in baltimore this morning. they met for about an hour before lunchtime. they talked about his options and he acknowledged he doesn't want to suspend today but he says his bid is almost over. that's why he told supporters he doesn't see a path ahead, and he's going to end his campaign at cpac. mitt romney ended his run at cpac during his first presidential run. >> we'll see when this finally breaks from ben carson's lips about the suspension of the campaign, how quickly candidates that stay in are trying to get his endorsement. robert costa from the "washington post." bob, thank you, sir. i want to talk to my colleague jane timm who is back in new york on this. jane, you've been reporting on carson. you have a new piece up that there was this contradiction about no path but also no desire to get out of the race. so this might be a surprise for
some. >> this is a pretty big turnaround. just this morning his aides were telling me he was in debate prep, and now they're telling me he won't be going to that debate and he tells costa he doesn't see a path forward. there was no clear path forward. his campaign was very freely admitting that yesterday, that they don't see a path to win, they don't see a path to get enough delegates to make a dent in this race. their supporters wanted him in the race and they wanted to live up to those supporters' desires. but as we've seen in this race, there is a very big difference between someone's facebook fans and their actual voters. i think carson is clearly coming to the table that there really is not a path that's going to get him through this. >> okay, but jane, also, from your piece, there is a report that there are folks, elders within the campaign, that approached him about running for marco rubio's seat. true? >> his campaign tells me that party elders and donors said they wanted to help get him into, i think, a more realistic
goal, that they were thinking that his extraordinary fundraising power might be better targeted towards a seat like marco rubio's seat down in florida where ben carson does live and did retire after his pediatric career. i think he's made it clear he's not interested in being a senator. he is an executive leader, he's not a senator and he has no interest in that. but things might change pretty quickly. we'll see how things turn out. we'll know more details at cpac. >> the fact that he was getting ready for this next debate, this is where he grew up. you would think he would want to see this through because of hometown pride and his debate stage. >> it is where he announced his run, it's where his rags to riches story began, in inner detroit, with his mothm going o become an extraordinary surgeon.
but he's not getting the traction he wanted to. he's going to meet tomorrow with his campaign to talk about civility. he wants this to be a more civil race than he's seen. he says he wants to talk about the issues, not body parts. but no one has even responded to that invitation from dr. carson, and i think this is maybe another signal that he's losing the traction he once had in this race. >> okay, jane timm, thanks so much, reporting from back in new york. we've got a statement now from dr. ben carson about this decision, and it says, i have decided not to attend the fox news gop presidential debate tomorrow night in detroit. even though i will not be in my hometown of detroit on thursday, i remain deeply committed to my home nation, america. i do not see a political path forward in light of last evening's super tuesday primary results. however, this grassroots movement on behalf of we, the people will continue, along with millions of patriots who have supported my campaign for president. i remain committed to saving america for future generations.
we must not depart from our goals to restore what god and our founders intended for this exceptional nation. i appreciate the sport, financial and otherwise, from all corners of america. gratefully my campaign decisions are not constrained by finances, rather than by what is in the best interests of the american people. i will discuss more about the future of this moovrvement duri my speech on friday at cpac in washington, d.c. again, that confirmation from ben carson, his camp, that he's not going to be there for the debate taking place in detroit tomorrow night. and this is essentially the notification that people were looking for that ben carson will be suspending his campaign and dropping out after lagging numbers at a super tuesday, but also before that coming out of nevada and also out of new hampshire as well. so as we look at what happened for marco rubio, he starts this wednesday with his first primary win. it was courtesy of the caucus in
minnesota, and now he has his eyes on michigan where voters are going to cast their ballots next tuesday. joining me now from shelby carter township, nbc's gabe gutierrez, and this is certainly good news for marco rubio to get this news. he is coming fresh off a win from a caucus in minnesota, and now there is one less choice coming on the ballots. >> reporter: that's exactly right, thomas. he said once the gop windows it sets up their candidates. marco rubio likely to go after donald trump yet again. there should be a continuation of the war of words there. it was very interesting last night. you were talking with katie tur earlier. she mentioned donald trump seemingly more presidential last night. he did not mince words talking about marco rubio, calling him little rubio, and repeating some insults on him saying he was a lightweight. but also contrast that with what
he said about ted cruz. he actually congratulated ted cruz on some of his victories last night. there was no love loss between trump and rubio. now, this morning rubio early voted in his home state of florida. that will be a key primary in two weeks. here's what he had to say about how he fared against ted cruz last night. take a listen. >> last night was supposed to be ted cruz's night. we beat him in half the states on the ballot. we won the state of minnesota, we picked up a lot of delegates and we feel great what the map looks like now moving forward, and especially when we get to our home state of florida, so we're excited. >> reporter: that is the spin coming from the rubio camp today. they did say they picked up that first primary victory in minnesota. still, a lot of critics say that simply won't be enough. that this push for delegates, while it could be a path going forward, potentially you can contest at a convention if you don't win things -- that's what critics are saying -- they don't see how they can be a viable
alternative to donald trump. the campaign is stressing in the media the delegate math. they pointed to they were able to crack a 20% threshold in states like georgia and were able to pick up a significant amount of delegates last night. now, moving forward, they're here in michigan today ahead of that debate tomorrow. a local poll conducted by the "detroit free press" and a couple other local media organizations show trump with a 10-point lead in michigan, but there is a battle for second place between cruz and rubio. the rubio camp feels like they can do well in areas like shelby township, which is a suburb of detroit. the crucial thing again will be the home state of florida on march 15 where marco rubio has guaranteed victory in that state. thomas? >> all right, let's talk more about that. nbc's gabe gutierrez, thanks so much. as gabe talks about florida, a big distinction about this state is it is a winner take all state, 90 delegates at play.
i want to talk to josh. josh, great to have you with us. we have donald trump leading at 44% to marco rubio at 28%. when we think about the panhandle and the area of pensacola, what is the sentiment to a senator marco rubio? >> first it's important to say that a rubio win in florida cannot be overstated. it's extremely crucial for him. it's really make or break. a republican has not gone on to secure the nomination without first winning his home state. and, unfortunately, i think that he has a lot of headway to make. like you said, he's almost 20 points behind in the recent poll, and the word on the street that i hear is not rubio. the conversation is not revolving around rubio. i don't see any marco rubio signs in lawns. trump held a rally here a couple months ago, and tens of thousands of people attended that. i don't see any rubio watch parties, debate watch parties. but people are excited about
trump, they are galvanized for him, and i think that rubio really waited too long to engage trump. that's what i'm hearing from people. acquaintances of mine have said that they like rubio. he's a casual guy, they like his policies, but people are angry. and rubio doesn't really convey that anger. and we haven't really seen that anger from rubio except for the last debate, and of course last night with rubio calling trump a con artist. so rubio is starting to swing some punches, but i think it's too little too late. he was hoping trump would be this sort of blip on the radar, and now he's realizing that it's not -- >> the traction has set in for him, especially after super tuesday. as we look at some of the indicators with georgia and also alabama, i was speaking to a local professor who said when we talk about pensacola, we live in l.a., which means we live in lower alabama, and if we just look at alabama, trump winning that state by 22 points yesterday, more than doubling
ted cruz and rubio's vote share. so is that a great indicator for what we're going to see certainly for the panhandle and donald trump? >> i think it is. i think we can extrapolate that data for pensacola, absolutely. when you look at pensacola, we have a very strong military presence here. it's our primary industry, and we also have a very strong evangelical demographic. right now trump is winning both of those camps. on the military side, the members of the armed services that i'm hearing, they like trump's pro-military stance, and they see a lot of parallels between themselves and donald, this sort of take no prisoners, not afraid of a fight attitude that members of our armed services really see themselves. and on the evangelical side, i mean, a lot of ink has been spilled about how trump's policies and behaviors are sort of antithetical to christian doctrine, but trump's appeal has always been one of style over substance, and i think that style is anger, and the christian right sees that trump is angry at the exact same
institution thaz they're angry at, be it the gop establishment, mainstream media, progressive society as a whole. they see themselves left behind by those institutions and that trump can really bring them to the forefront of culture once again. >> he has the outsider message and it seems to be resonating. josh, thank you. i want to remind everybody the breaking news we had this hour. ben carson saying he will not be participating in the debate tomorrow. he doesn't see a path forward for his candidacy in this race. he said in a statement he would have more to say on the future coming up on friday when he speaks at cpac. we'll have more of that coming up. and also the pulse question, should the gop establishment unite and rally against donald trump? you can comment at pulse.msnbc.com. take a look at your screen. these are top business leaders. they are now backing other gop candidates that are all now losing to donald trump. so we're going to talk more,
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donald trump disa vovowing t statement, that endorsement by duke, and we can see it didn't hurt him on super tuesday after having such a sweeping victory on tuesday. we got word that dr. ben carson will not be attending the debate tomorrow night in detroit, and this is essentially a first step in the suspension of a campaign. right now we have 24 hours after trump's sweep, coalescing on this strategy to stop the gop frontrunner. in a call by the "new york times," about 50 major public donors held a call to solicit money for a superpac specifically focused on stopping the gop frontrunner. the pac on this video this week hitting trump on previous comments about race and reaction to them. the key state of the trump
strategy is florida. we're in the state right now. there are 99 delegates at play, and this is a winner take all state on march 15. joining me now is msnbc contributor jeremy peters. jeremy, obviously you are in detroit right now and that is where the debate will be tomorrow night. this is a big development, though, with ben carson not on that stage. the field is finally starting to winnow what some people had expected after super tuesday. >> reporter: that's exactly right, thomas, but i don't think it will winnow enough as one candidate emerges as the trump candidate. you still have ted cruz and marco rubio dividing up that vote, and for the establishment sources you were just talking about trying to form this superpac to stop donald trump, or fund this superpac, rather, with kasich in the race it's very hard for rubio to emerge and vice versa. i think there is -- that
coalescing is not happening and will not happen any time soon. >> we know mitt romney is supposed to give remarks tomorrow in utah to talk about the state of the race. he has been using twitter to go after donald trump. priority tha prior to that, he was using social media to congratulate those dropping out of the race who ran decent campaigns. but what about the big money folks trying to team up to go against donald trump? isn't that just fertilizer that makes a trump candidacy more attractive to voters? >> reporter: absolutely. it hasn't worked so far, and i don't know why anyone would think it would work now, especially coming from somebody like mitt romney who never really had all that much credibility with the grassroots conservative base. of course, that's not his primary goal, mitt romney has never seen himself as a spokesman or any type of leader of the conservative grassroots. his aim, though, if it's trying
to establish coalescing around any one candidate, i don't see that happening. john kasich is not going to get out of the race before ohio, marco rubio will not get out before florida, so therefore you have donald trump running on way with the nomination. i think if there's one thing that really riles trump supporters, it's saying that trump cannot run for president, that he's an embarrassment. and i think that's what you'll see happening again. >> i just want to play for everybody lindsay graham, who was a presidential contender, backed jeb bush, jeb bush now out of this race. we'll see if he throws an endorsement anybody's way before this state goes to the primaries on the 15th. but graham said ted cruz could be killed on the floor of the senate, right? now he's changing that tune saying he could actually warm up to the guy. take a look. >> my party is going [ bleep ] crazy. if you kill ted cruz on the floor of the senate and the trial was in the senate, nobody
could convict you. >> you know, ted cruz is not my favorite by any means. i don't wish him ill, i was making a joke about ted. but we may have to rally around ted cruz as the only way to stop donald trump. >> so, josh, what do you make of this turnaround on a candidate like ted cruz? is it because there's a strength to beat donald trump not just in iowa? >> i think republicans have to be careful what they wish for. there are just as many republicans who are worried about ted cruz as the nominee as there are ones worried about donald trump. i think in some cases you could almost make a more plausible general election argument for donald trump than you could for ted cruz given that donald trump has shown an ability to turn out waves of new voters. now, those new voters are white, and that's a segment of the population that is not growing, and it's almost impossible to imagine a president being
elected without a sizeable share of the hispanic vote, which trump will almost certainly not get. i don't know, i have a very hard time seeing ted cruz emerging as any kind of republican consensus candidate. >> we're going to see how it all goes down, the next debate happening behind you there in detroit tomorrow night. jo jeremy, good to see you. >> thanks. this is a state where voting is under way in more than a dozen counties. we saw marco rubio voting along with his wife. we move into the crucial winner takes all primary here. more coming up from sunny pensacola beach, florida, including the democratic race with hillary clinton and bernie sanders. get one free on our most popular smartphones.
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yesterday was a huge day for hillary clinton, and it really locked her in on the left. she won massachusetts which could have easily gone to bernie sanders. both candidates back on the trail today. bernie sanders holding an event in maine, he'll be in michigan later tonight. hillary clinton showing a post super tuesday rally in new york city today. we have both democrats covered for you, kasie hunt covering the bernie sanders campaign in vermont, and kristen welker is covering the hillary clinton campaign. i want to start with kristen who is following the campaign in miami, florida. kristen, what are we hearing from the clinton camp today how this is more than a reset for them moving into the next contest. they seem much more firmly grounded in this nomination. >> reporter: they absolutely are, thomas. no need to apologize, by the
way. they are feeling very confident today. they think they did very well. secretary clinton solidified her status as the frontrunner last night. she really swept the south, held her southern stronghold and that was fueled in large part by strong support by african-americans. she also won among women voters. she lost to white males. she also lost among those younger voters, so that's a demographic she needs to work on if she makes it to the general election. there are other things the clinton campaign is not happy about, when voters are asked about honesty and trustworthiness across nine states, 69% of them chose senator sanders and 29% of them chose secretary clinton. however, for the voters that said experience was a top priority, 90% chose secretary clinton and 10% chose senator sanders. so the campaign has really started to pivot toward the
general election. clinton only mentioned senator sanders once in her speech last night and said she set her sights on the gop frontrunner, donald trump. they never said his name but it was clear who she was talking about. take a listen. >> instead of building walls, we're going to take down barriers and build -- [ cheers and applause ] >> -- build ladders of opportunity and empowerment so every american can live up to his or her potential, because then and only then can america live up to its full potential, too. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: and thomas, we learned today that secretary clinton raised $30 million during the month of february. senator sanders, of course, raised 40 million. no indication that he is getting out of this race. in fact, just the opposite. he is being very firm that his fight conditions. i'll let kasie talk about that. i've been talking to clinton campaign officials that say,
look, they're not going to put this race out of reach until the very earliest, march 15. that's when the state of florida votes and that's when she held her big party here last night. thomas? >> kristen, great to see you. i want to bring in our colleague now, msnbc's kasie hunt who is following the bernie sanders campaign from burlington, vermont. we want to talk about his campaign and the cash he has left over. first let me get you on the record about back to the future, mitt romney. i know you covered his campaign in 2012, but he's now getting back into things in a more aggressive way with a speech tomorrow in utah. what are you hearing from your sources on that? >> reporter: hey, thomas, that's right, and actually, i've got a little bit of breaking news for you. we got a little bit more information from a source -- republican source who says that we can expect governor romney to have some praise for some of these 2016 candidates, likely marco rubio, potentially john
kasich, and also senator ted cruz, a little bit of a surprise there. his comments are going to focus on the state of the race, and we're likely going to hear some of those same themes that he's been hitting, criticizing donald trump in particular. his comments about the kkk and david duke, his unwillingness to immediately disavow. those comments, mitt romney has had a lot to say about that on twitter. romney also suggesting that, of course, there would be a bombshell in donald trump's tax returns, referring to romney's own release of his tax returns during the primary process. so this, of course, romney trying to play elder statesman a little bit here in influencing this presidential race, but as we've said, he doesn't plan to endorse, nor does he plan to say that he himself is running. now, of course, we should remind everyone that donald trump actually endorsed mitt romney back in 2012. i was actually at the event at
trump's hotel in las vegas after much speculation about who trump was going to land with. mitt romney appeared next to donald trump on that stage accepting his endorsement. they later actually ran robo calls with donald trump's voice in them in places like michigan when they were trying to win the primary. at the time, of course, they had an understanding of donald trump's appeal, who he was trying to talk to, and they knew that romney himself had often struggled to appeal to such voters. so they actually used him as a surrogate. clearly a lot has changed as far as romney feels about donald trump with his position now, thomas. >> yes, a lot has changed, that is for sure. we'll wait to hear exactly what mitt romney will be delivering tomorrow. and kasie, i want to ask you to switch gears now and fly back into sanders' campaign mode and talk about what this campaign is characterizing yesterday for them. because while this is a big reset for hillary clinton moving forward, this is different for
the sanders campaign as their path completely narrows. >> reporter: that's right, thomas. the path did narrow last night, he, of course, winning four states and narrowly losing massachusetts, which was that fifth state they were hoping to win. he vowed to fight on. we heard him last night telling his supporters that only 15 states have had a chance to vote. there are still 35 to go. and he's focusing more and more on donald trump, arguing that he is the candidate who can best take on donald trump. i was at a breakfast this morning with some of his senior aides. i asked them if they thought hillary clinton would definitely beat donald trump should they both become their parties' nominees, and the cnn strategist said he had pretty serious questions about that, which is kind of an interesting comment, i thought. but we're also hearing bernie sanders on the trail today still focusing on hillary clinton in this primary contest. take a listen to what he had to say about her speeches. >> we urge secretary clinton to
share that extraordinary speech with the american people. tell us what you said behind closed doors to goldman sachs. >> reporter: of course, in s insinuating that hillary clinton may say one thing behind closed doors and another thing in her speeches. this race may get harder and harder for him. his strategists feel the states coming up in march and april demographically will favor him, in places like illinois and ohio where he's worked hard. he also may try to fight it out in michigan. that's why they're watching the african-american vote in particular. they still acknowledge that's their main problem here. they need to do more to appeal to a more diverse electorate. the question is whether african-american voters might be more willing to consider bernie sanders than african-americans
in some of these southern states who have just broken overwhelmingly for hillary clinton. they argue that bernie sanders' positions on trade deals like nafta, for example, will appeal to some hit very hard for the collapse of the auto industry or the serious issues that the auto industry went through during the recession, thomas. >> yeah, the voting data tells the tale of where bernie needs to make the inroads necessary to remain viable. at least in the contest coming up. kasie, great to see you. kasie hunt reporting in burlington, vermont. as we talk about the data, republican voters were divided on super tuesday over which quality means most to them. 36% wants someone to share their values, 31% who can bring on change, someone who can tell it like it is is the next most viable quality and who can win in november.
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breaking news is dr. ben carson will not be on that stage as he doesn't see a path forward. we do have contests that start this weekend, leading us all the way through march 15 where voters will go to the polls here in florida. joining me now is former ohio state senator and bernie sanders supporter, nina turner. nina, it's great to see you. >> thanks, thomas. >> we have this article out in the "new york times" today talking about the senator's path, saying path to victory is all but blocked. quote, not even a few feel-good wins in states like colorado, nebraska or oklahoma will change that. he mr. sanders would have needed big wins in these states by much more than 20 percentage points to entertain the possibility of overcoming his enormous deficit. >> i'm certainly glad the citizens in this country, the
voters, get the final say and not the "new york times." there is a path to victory for the is senatsenator, and if we 2008, then-senator barack obama had a daunting task ahead of him as well, and even though the race between hillary clinton and sanders at this time is not exactly the same, we know what is the same, which is david versus goliath. david persevered in 2008 and david will persevere again in 2016. >> so you bring up 2008. let's look at this. hillary clinton earned more than 80% of the african-american vote yesterday. that's 86% among black women, 80% among black men. that is higher than president obama did in '08. so when you think about those numbers and the matchup, how does a bernie sanders be able to make up that gap moving forward? >> well, thomas, the senator certainly understands, the campaign understands that they have to continue to work very hard to earn the african-american vote. let's be real here. this is a brand loyalty
situation going on. the secretary has the benefit of a national profile going back decades, and senator sanders is really just starting his national run for the very first time. he has not been running for president for eight years, and he did not have a national profile prior to that. he has a very exciting and compelling story to tell. the more african-americans hear his story, this is not a sprint, it is a marathon. and i know some folks want to write the senator off, but he is far from out of this game, and we're going to take it all the way to the convention. but thomas, the parts of his story about when he was a young man in college fighting segregation, that speaks to the african-american community. to know he was the mayor of burlington when the status quo, thomas, of the democratic party was against then reverend jesse jackson being president of the united states, senator sanders stood up, one of the few white elected senators to do so. he understands we have to work
faster and harder, but he is not out of this game. we have my state of ohio to go, we have michigan, we have california, we have new york, and we are working hard. thomas, let me note this. the african-american community is not monolithic. i know folks want to continue to make us a monolith, but we are not. >> as i know, and as you said, sanders planning to take this all the way to the convention, and he certainly has the fundraising cash to do so if he chooses. nina, good to see you. thanks so much. >> thank you, thomas. >> so ohio, which is a must-win for the gop establishment, if they want to stop trump. in a recent quinnipiac poll, donald trump continues to lead, but john kasich is behind him. john kasich has yet to get on the board with a win, but he hopes to do so in ohio. >> he does. we are in hamilton county, by the way, thomas. this is southern ohio.
and this is a swing county. i mean, this is a county that went for president obama both times around, but before that, it had gone to president bush two times around. it went for president clinton once. so this is one of the counties in ohio where a lot of folks are really taking a long, hard look. because here's the thing. john kasich has said himself if he does not win ohio, he doesn't see a path forward, so it will be very interesting to see how he spends the next two weeks. i spent some time earlier today talking to one of his campaign surrogates who said a lot of attention will be paid to michigan. michigan votes next week, ohio the week after. if he does not fare well in michigan, if he loses in a landslide in michigan, there are some who have suggested that he could bow out before ohio because, of course, it would be certainly very embarrassing for the two-time governor to lose his home state. however, the campaign has said officially that they are in this thing at least through ohio. they see a path to victory,
albeit a narrow path. ohio, of course, is a winner take all contest, so the kasich folks are saying if they can pull it out in ohio, and if they can take that boatload of delegates, there are a number of states after that that are also winner take all, the idea being he wins in ohio, he builds on that momentum moving forward. it's a long shot. it's a stretch according to just about every political pundit expert, but this is the path that john kasich's team thinks going forward this is the most realistic path to secure the nomination, thomas. >> and we know how important this is to him. he also gave an interview today saying he doesn't see himself being a part of any ticket as a vice president, so ohio is do or die for john kasich. thank you, craig melvin. nice to see you. as we see ohio as winner take all, florida is the same way. especially for sitting senator
marco rubio. dug mott, principal of pensacola state college is with us. as we look at the numbers last night in alabama and georgia, it really could be the bell ringer. you're the one who taught me we live in l.a. >> lower alabama. trump won alabama by a 2-1 margin. the lower part of the state where we are now, near the alabama border, that is a piece of alabama, georgia, mississippi. that is essentially the old american south. marco rubio, he's popular here. this is his home state. he has to win the state, but the results last night, i don't think, bode particularly well for him. >> so when we think about marco rubio and a friendship, a mentorship from former governor jeb bush who you say was highly popular throughout the state. could a bush endorsement help marco rubio and save the day for his campaign here in florida where donald trump is leading in the new q poll, 47% over 15
points for marco rubio? >> that's a big gap for marco rubio to overcome. jeb bush was a very well respected and popular governor in the state of florida. there is no doubt about that, but i don't think he ever developed a campaign other than he was jeb bush. if you had asked me six years ago, i would have said a jeb bush endorsement was crucial. at this point, i don't think many people see jeb bush as relevant. it's been several years since he's been governor. there are a lot of voters out there who don't know anything about his governorship, all they know is his last name is bush. i don't think his endorsement is going to make up 16 points for marco rubio if it's forthcoming. >> so 13 days is a lot of time, and we know other presidential cycles, that there has been an opportunity to chip away at a frontrunner. do you really think, though, that donald trump has cemented a win here in the state just
because of what we've seen in super tuesday? >> donald trump has rewritten all the rules. every time he says something that you think will bring his campaign down, his polls seem to come up. i don't think he's cemented a win here yet. i think the republicans that are opposing him, they're going to continue to hammer on him. they might meet with some success. they have a very steep hill to climb. i would be surprised if donald trump loses florida. >> okay. thank you, and thank you for the raise we live in l.a. i love that. i'll be able to use that today, professor. appreciate your time. we've been weighing on the pulse question of the day, and that is, should the gop unite and rally against donald trump? here's how the vote is currently divided as you've been weighing in at pulse. 26% say yes, 74% say no. pulse.msnbc.com. we're back in a moment. is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student? is it one day giving your daughter
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hello, everyone. i'm kate snow. we're atika fay cafe rama in fl michigan, getting a lot of attention today. one day after super tuesday, more than half of the candidates are here, or will be within hours. there is a gop debate tomorrow night without ben carson in attendance, by the way. then a debate for the democrats right here in flint on sunday night. and the actual primary is on tuesday in michigan. it's a big one. 147 total delegates at stake here for the democrats, 59 at stake for republicans. but beyond the numbers, flint, of course, has taken on added significance in this presidential year. by now all americans know about the ongoing water crisis here, and you better believe the candidates will be asked about that and about their -- and their answers, rather, could go a long way in swinging voters
here, and swaying voters is exactly what many of them need to do. that's because hillary clinton and donald trump are closing in on their nominations. and for the republican establishment, the clock is ticking to stop trump's hostile takeover. our reporters are spread out all over the country with the latest from the campaign trails, and we're going to begin with katie tur. she's in palm beach, florida covering donald trump. katie, let me start with what's going on in trump world today. >> reporter: the trump campaign is feeling good. it is a down day for donald trump, the first down day we've seen him have in quite some time. he's really been criss-crossing the country, trying to make it to the super tuesday states. yesterday we saw him in states that vote on saturday, also a state that votes on march 15, but he is here in florida right now. this state votes on march 15 as well. it is a winner take all state, and they have their eye on it. they would like to take this state, especially take it away from marco rubio. if he's able to win florida and
win ohio, two winner take all states, he will be even closer to reaching that magic number of delegates in order to secure the nomination. he's by far ahead of everybody at the moment, but there are circumstances that could lead to this being an extended race. that's if ted cruz does well with the texas border states. it's also if marco rubio -- sorry, that's a loud car -- marco rubio does well with college-educated professionals in a state like north carolina. that could push this whole contest to june 7, which is the last day of voting. that's when california and new jersey votes. meanwhile, though, donald trump is billing himself as a unifyer. someone who is going to build the party up and add more voters to the gop tent. take a listen. >> i'm a unifyer. i know people will find that a little hard to believe, but believe me, i'm a unifier. after we're done here, i'm going after hillary clinton on the
assumption she's allowed to run, which is a big assumption. i don't know if she's going to be allowed to run. and i, frankly, think that will be an easy race. >> reporter: trump has said over and over on the campaign trail that they'll try to hit hillary clinton on that e-mail scandal every chance they get. they want to bring it up every single day. they don't necessarily believe that she is supposed to or eligible to run for president. they believe if she was in the office, she could be indicted or arrested. that's what they say. of course, we have to wait to see what happens with this investigation into her e-mails, but i can tell you this. at his rallies, a lot of the voters are not very big fans of hillary clinton. we do see a lot "hillary for prison" signs and t-shirts among his supporters. >> katie, let me ask you as long as i'm in michigan, do we still expect to see donald trump at the debate in detroit tomorrow night? we just heard in the last hour ben carson will be a no-show. >> reporter: we do expect to see donald trump at the debate
tomorrow. he said he will be going to debates, even though he doesn't believe they're worth his time. he believes they say the same thing over and over again. remember, he skipped out on the iowa debate and that's one move that people say really did hurt him. among all of the controversies, that did seem to hurt him. remember, he lost the iowa caucus. so right now he is not saying that he will not participate in future gop debates, but if he had a bigger win last night, or if he runs away with super tuesday, there is potential for him to say that he is just not going to do it any longer, especially if he comes under fire at these debates from ted cruz and from marco rubio and is potentially hurt at these debates, then we might see the campaign and donald trump himself reconsidering whether or not it's worth it for him to show up. >> all right, katie tur following the trump campaign. as usual, katie, thanks so much. let's check in now with nbc's
hallie jackson. she's in overland park, kansas where ted cruz will be holding a rally in just a few hours from now. it looks like you're on the way. >> reporter: on the way, kate. got to kansas this afternoon. heading up to meet up with ted cruz. he's been in some debate prep today, we understand, from the campaign. his campaign manager released some new fundraising numbers, calling it the best fundraising month they've had yet. february, they raised some $12 million. that's not near as much from what you've seen from, for example, bernie sanders and hillary clinton, but for cruz they feel like that's a strong showing, that he has the money, the momentum and the message to try to bring down the party. cruz is coming off all those wins in texas, oklahoma and alaska as well, moving forward trying to send the message he's the one the party should unite around. the problem is he lost evangelicals, for example, to donald trump in a number of southern states. he was picked off by a group of
conservatives, same groups ees trying to coalesce. you see lindsey graham saying perhaps it's time for the establishment to rally around ted cruz to try to stop donald trump. >> i'm sorry, i thought we might be going to a sound bite there, hallie. i was just waiting. >> i was just hanging out. that's all right. >> it was 80 degrees the last time we were together, and now, by the way, there is a foot of snow outside the door here in flint. good to see you, hallie. >> i have six coats in the backseat. you, too. >> right? me, too, me, too. let's turn to marco rubio. he'll be in michigan later this afternoon. he's coming off the momentum of his minnesota primary win. joining me now about an hour from here, sheldon township, gabe gutierrez who has been following the rubio campaign for us. gabe? >> reporter: good afternoon. speaking of changing temperatures, yes, we were in
sunny miami just a few hours ago. got here to michigan. marco rubio expected here within about an hour and a half or so to have a rally here in michigan, after voting himself in the same precinct where he said he got his political start this morning. now, his campaign is trying to put a positive spin on what happened last night. of course, he did pull out one victory in the minnesota caucus but had a rough time elsewhere picking up any steam. although his campaign says they have picked up a bunch of delegates. here's what he had to say this morning about his match-up with ted cruz. take a listen. >> last night was supposed to be ted cruz's night. we beat him in half the states on the ballot. we won the state of minnesota, we picked up a lot of delegates, and we feel great about what the map looks like moving forward, and especially when we get to our home state of florida. we're excited. >> certainly the rubio campaign trying to put a brave face on what happened last night, but they are continuing going after donald trump, tweeting out a short time ago,
#donaldtrumpconartist. we expect him to make that argument again at the republican debate tomorrow night. with ben carson not showing up at the debate, that is something that the marco rubio campaign said once this field winnows down, it benefits marco rubio. but the question is, how far will donald trump go after marco rubio, and will ted cruz and donald trump perhaps team up to get marco rubio out of the race? both of them yesterday calling for him to leave this race if he underperformed. the florida senator said that was not going to happen, so now the attention turns to the crucial primary on april 19 in his home state of florida. the campaign says they will win in florida but he faces an uphill climb. some polls have been down, some in the double dij its. they feel very confident, there
was, and now can marco rubio convince his donors and his supporters that he can continue this into the long hall. >> gabe gutierrez following the rubio campaign here in michigan. while donald trump did not sweep super tuesday, now they have just two weeks, essentially, to convince voters that they're a better alternative to trump where it's three states, it's winner take all. for more now, i'm joined. >> mark, good to see you. let's talk about last night for just a minute. what did we see, what happened, and why does it all matter? >> katie, it was a good night for donald trump, not a great night. he was the biggest delegate winner on the republic soon side. let's say there is a fai
fait accompli. if my colleague, also, and we were saying it in thoughts for you, a disappointing loss. if you do want to stop donald trump, you now have 13 days to be able to do so. why that is so important is because of the winner take all primaries in florida and ohio. donald trump right now is over the lead of his closest competition ted cruz, but if somebody would represent 165 delegates to more than make up that deficit. t the. >> mark, let me ask you about
this conference call that happened yesterday with a lot of high-powered big donors and how to bring trump down? >> this is all about throwing the kitchen sink in with donald trump. we saw so many personal attacks, you started seeing negative tv ads for marco rubio, superpac hitting donald trump, and now we're seeing superpacs in outside groups getting involved as well. i think the one question you have is, is this too little too late? would this have been more effective two months ago. everyone realizes that time is of the essence. the clock is ticking given the next 13 days on the campaign trail. >> since i'm here in michigan, i have to ask you about. the polls show him.
>> how do you stop a guy who is basically a movement at this point? >> you have to have the logic that somehow donald trump has a feeli feeling. he wins in alabama, he wins in massachusetts, he wins in georgia. he has geographical diversity there, and that people say, well, all of a. for donald trump to win michigan, he might need, we haven't been able to see him be defeated and michigan is a state donald trump should do well, that it's not a state close to marco rubio's home base, it's outside of ted cruz's.
so. . that's right. that's right. mark murray rkts thanks so much. ted krupz is designed to show it. trump cannot win in november. ron, nice to see you again. >> you've got to be feeling pretty good about last night's results. as hallie jackson was. you picked up alaska really late, this morning. what's the game plan moving rubio, despite all the predictions that his campaign team was making yesterday, that would mean.
march. we're on the campaign to win the nomination here, and we're the only campaign to beat donald trump. we're somebody who can go on to win the campaign in november. we feel good about the results coming out yesterday. the only one who has a problem here is donald trump, which means he has a severe amount of suppo support. we need to have teches come down, we need kefr. . >> trump just won seven states last night, and in your victory of texas, they're. ted cruz won about. what does that say for his
chances to actually be able toll tame. >> you're always going to have people trying to diminish the value of a win. the person who didn't meet expectations yesterday, predicting different stages and coming up nearly emptied. the future uncertain, ben thomas is. there are very few voters currently supporting another candidate who would come over and over. is there any scenario in which the cruz campaign. to try to take down donald? >> the way we take down donald
trump is running harded for the president of the united states. i'm also chairman of the campaign. we've been organizing for and. >> that's the way we went. >> that's a no on coordinating. up next, we'll get to the heart of the flint water crisis. is there any improvement in the lead levels here, and what plans are in place to replace the lead won't be the same without you bro. ♪ when it's go, the new choice privileges gets you there faster. and now, stay two times and you can earn a free night. book now at choicehotels.com
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of prayer missionary baptist church. the congregation locked arms and sang, we've come too far from where we started from. they're not about to quit now. we know there are many other flints out there, communities that are hurting and need help. but we've come too far in this country to let us turn back. we're going to build on the progress that we've made. we saved the auto industry thanks to president obama. now we've got to create new jobs and industries of the future. >> that was hillary clinton last night invoking the water crisis here in flint ahead of michigan's primary next tuesday of the joining me now is the democratic mayor of flint, michigan, karen weaver. mayor, thank you for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> let's talk about those who maybe haven't been following for the last couple weeks.
what's happening with the pipes? i know you've launched an effort to replace pipes that have lead in them here in flint. you're supposed to start tomorrow. people can't see outside, but there's a lot of snow outside. are you going to be starting tomorrow? >> let me back up for a moment because we did do the test to see how everything would go. we did that this week and that went well. actually, we're going to push it back a day because of the weather. >> to friday. >> let's hope for no more snow. >> literally it's about removing the old and putting in the new infrastructure. >> the way we're going to get started with this is we're going to prioritize. we have some homes that already tested extremely high for lead. we have homes with children under the age of six, pregnant women, people with compromised immune systems. >> and the water was actually co
roading i corroding the lead that was in the pipes which is how it got to the water. how much are you looking at long term? >> one of the things long term, one of the things we know is to build back the trust in the community, and for people we want to stay and people we want to have come, we have to deal with the infrastructure. >> there's an article today in the "detroit free press" that i'm sure you've seen that say the state blocked flint's water supply from switching back to, essentially, the good water from lake huron last year. they're saying state efforts actually prevented you from talking to more people and preventing more lead poisoning. >> uh-huh. >> what do you think about that? >> i heard that as well, but i'm always disappointed when i hear
that kind of information. we should not have had to doeal with that, it's been two years. on the other hand, we know there is an investigation going on, and really liking forward to the turnout of that investigation, because we know there will be several people who will be held accountable and responsible for what's happened. what i've chosen to do is really try to stay focused on the staff start program and getting all the sftsz and support we need here if flint to fix the problem with regulators. paul herring paul. >> paul herring is one person i spoke to. he thinks hillary clinton is going to take the nomination. >> hillary clinton. she's old guard and it's time for a change. if you start with what you start
with, you're always going to get what you got. i don't think it serves america. they cannot serve the masses. we need a better system. >> we've heard from a lot of voters on that. what do you say to someone who says, we can't trust these people? >> that's one thing we're working on because the trust has been broken in flint. not only in flint but across the nation. one of the things i'm working on is trying to rebuild that trust. on the other hand, everybody has the right to vote for whoever they want to vote for. i think it's important people vote. the reason -- you asked me who i was supporting. actually, hillary clinton is the only presidential candidate that has reached out. >> bernie sanders was here, right, visiting? >> he was here. >> didn't reach out to you. >> no, not at all. in fact, as soon as the declaration was made, hillary clinton started sending people here to flint to see what was going on and looking at what they could do to help.
so we've had several meetings, they've been here several times. but no, she is the only one that has come to city hall and reached out to us to see, what can we do. >> bernie sanders is right over in lansing, a few hours from flint. maybe he'll stop by. >> he stopped by last week. i didn't hear from him. >> mayor karen weaver, thanks for talking to us. >> thank you. >> thank you for having me in this lovely city. >> you'll have to come back. there will be a part two to our story. >> i'm already loving all the folks and the food and everything. it's been great. thank you so much for your hospitality. when we come back, the key demographics in play in super tuesday last night, and what role will they play in the coming primaries? i spoke with another flint voter with a strong message for her neighbors. >> if there's people in your community that don't have rides, that can't get to the polls, give them a ride. i don't care if i have to go 10,
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from volkswagen. back now in flint, michigan at cafe rama. here to discuss the victories yesterday. perry bacon jr. is with us. perry, let's start with donald trump as he moves one step closer to potentially getting the nomination. talk about the key voting groups that helped him get there yesterday. >> we saw this yesterday and we saw this in new hampshire and other states as well, he does really well with the block of white voters who did not attend college. if you look at the blocks among among college-educated voters, voters with college degrees, in a lot of states, cruz, rubio, trump were all pretty close to each other. but if you look among voters who did not attend college, don't have a college degree, trump has
these huge margins, 20 or 30 points in some of these states. that's where the margin really came from yesterday. in state after state, he was dominant among voters without college degrees. >> and just before the break, perry, we heard from a woman here in flint, african-american who supports hillary clinton. you should have heard what she said to me off camera about donald trump. she is such a clinton supporter. and i know that was a big part of yesterday, too, the african-american vote supporting hillary clinton. >> yeah, that was huge. if you look at the data from yesterday, basically clinton and sanders, among voters who were white, clinton won with white voters too in most states. it was fairly close. she lost in colorado and minnesota and vermont, states with very wide electorates. this is about winning delegates, not about winning states. since hillary won 80% of the black vote in six states, she
got these huge delegate counts in texas, in alabama, in tennessee. the black vote is really giving her the big margin she has like in south carolina, and that's really driving her victory. people i talk to, it's not necessarily that clinton is doing better than obama in some of these states. there's two things going on. the voters i talked to first say they really liked hillary clinton, they liked the fact that she served in obama's cabinet after she lost to him. then they viewed bernie sanders' ideas as unrealistic and things that can't happen. they think he's kind of an impractical candidate who can't win the general election. >> what about, perry, black voters in particular? i know you read that since 2008 they're playing a special role. >> in 2008 and 2012, they were among the biggest turnout among any voting block, black women. what you've seen so far is hillary is really popular with women and with
african-americans. so her strongest voting base so far in state after state is black women who she is winning at almost 9 positi0% in a lot o states. >> perry bacon jr., thank you for being with us. flint is center for both hillary clinton and bernie sanders. both have talked about the water crisis on the campaign trail. they've both been here. next, whose message is louder? but first i talked to a chair in a western michigan county about the prospects of donald trump winning in november. >> i'm just so concerned that trump seems to be the frontrunner on the other side, and i'm so concerned about the racism that seems to be coming from him. awesome bugs are. kids learn to be brave and curious and all kids speak the language of bug. "hey cortana, find my katydid video." oh! this is so good. if you're trying to teach a kid about a proboscis. just sketch it on the screen.
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both democratic candidates are walking away from super tuesday with wins on the map, but it was a great night to be hillary clinton winning seven out of 11 states, including massachusetts, that could have just as easily gone to sanders, many thought. sanders won three states yesterday, including his home state of vermont. bernie sanders held an event in maine earlier today, and he'll be in michigan over in lansing later on tonight. hillary clinton is holding a post super tuesday rally in new york city later today. meanwhile, let's turn to nbc's kristen welker. she's following the clinton campaign from miami, florida. kristen, what's new there? >> reporter: the clinton campaign feeling very confident today, kate. you're absolutely right. last night was a strong night for hillary clinton. her southern firewall held, and that was in large part because she got that huge turnout among african-american voters that you were just discussing with perry bacon. women supported her. her vulnerability, though, were
with white men and those younger voters who overwhelmingly chose senator sanders. if she does go to a general election, those are areas she really needs to work on. but secretary clinton clearly setting her sights on the general election. they barely mentioned senator sanders last night in her victory speech. she talked about him once. instead she set her sights firmly on the republican frontrunner donald trump. she didn't mention his name but it was clear she was talking about him. she painted herself as the anti-trump. >> now, it might be unusual, as i've said before, for a presidential candidate to say this, but i'm going to keep saying it. i believe what we need in america today is more love and kindness. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: we got a little preview last night, kate, of what we might see in a general election. secretary clinton also taking aim at donald trump for saying that he wants to make america great again. she continues with this new line
of attack that america is already great. she wants to make america whole. but she's got to get through the primary first. we learned today she raised $30 million during february. senator sanders raised 40. so no indication he's getting out of this race any time soon. kate? >> i'm sorry, kristen. thanks so much. i was talking to somebody else as we were trying to figure out where to go next. i'm so sorry. thank you, kristen welker from miami. let's turn now to msnbc's kasie hunt. she's following the sanders campaign from burlington, vermont. kasie? >> hi, kate. while the bernie sanders campaign is still as defiant as ever, he was on stage last night saying only 15 states have voted and there are 35 more to go. his strategists had a before he can fa-- breakfast with reporte this morning saying a similar thing and this idea they believe they do have a path, ultimately, to the nomination.
as this process goes on into march and april, things will get more favorable for sanders from a demographic perspective. many of the states that vote next look more like the states he won last night. they're particularly focused on places like illinois, like ohio. they think they can fight for michigan in particular. that, of course, comes ahead of those march 15 states. and, of course, the reality is they have enough money to continue this fight. in february they raised over $40 million, nearly 6 million in just the 24 hours when they asked their supporters to kick in money. there is no sign that that's going to slow down. so he's going to have the resources and he seems to have the will. the question, of course, is going to be if that delegate math ultimately just gets in seizu insurmountable for him, kate. >> thank you so much. i want to bring in ron saunder.
he's part of the clinton campaign in flint. we're familiar with your work, because you've done a lot of reporting in flint. where are we now for people who haven't been intimately following every move? do you feel like we are in a better place in flint than we were maybe three months ago? >> it seems like everything that we're hearing from the epa and the state is things are getting a little bit better in terms of their test results, but a long way from being fixed. we just had state testing of sentinel sites. >> sentinel sites means random sites? >> those are sites they've established and they want to go back to over and over again to see what kind of progress is being made. >> and i'm sorry, i interrupted you. they found that 90% of the water is okay, right? >> right. but 10%, still, we've got an issue. we've got more than 15 million
parts per billion of lead in that water. that's not where we want to be. >> is it 10% remaining because they've done something to help fix the water, or was it just that it was always a pocket of 10% in flint that had those levels? >> they're trying to add more phosp phosphates in the water. we've got lead solder so some of the piping. >> so are many people still using bottled water, still bathing in other water because they're afraid of what comes out of the pipes? >> you'll see how many bottles of water have come into the city and people going to fire stations to pick it up. i would say the level of trust is not where it needs to be in terms of the safety of the water. and the epa is telling people,
too, they should not be drinking unfiltered water and they shouldn't be drinking water that hasn't been tested, even if you have a filter. >> my producer was able to go to a town hall meeting held here on monday night, and that was the sentiment that came through so quickly was distrust, and just not trusting anybody in the government anymore. i wonder how that will play into tuesday night's primary here. you have a lot of voters who are skeptical. is that how you read it? >> especially with the state not being involved in flint's finances for years and years, and the assurances people were given month after month after month when we were using the water from the river, being told that it was okay, and then finding out in the end that it wasn't okay. ment. with more than 200 delegates up for grabs in michigan next tuesday, crucial for parties on
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ahead of the state's primary next week on tuesday. 59 delegates are up for grabs on the republican side and 147 on the democrats' side. joining me now, state chairwoman for the republican commission, robin mcdaniels. she also happens to be the niece of mitt romney, the granddaughter of george romney, the governor of this state. i have to ask you. we've just been reporting that your uncle mitt romney is going
to give a speech in utah tomorrow. his people are going to talk about the state of this year's presidential race. do you have any insight of what he might be talking about? >> i heard it on my car radio as i was driving here to meet with you. i did call uncle mitt on the way in to say, hey, what are you going to talk about? i have no idea. >> haven't connected with him? >> haven't connected with him. >> certainly he's had some strong opinions about this race, especially about donald trump. how do you feel things are going here in michigan? when we look at the polls, donald trump is leading the republican field by quite a margin here. >> he's got a great following here in michigan. i've been to all the events for every candidates that have come through. we've had 28 visits from candidates in the past year. i think he's had a lot of momentum, but john kasich, the last event i went to with him was standing room only, ted cruz has an excellent organization.
i feel there is a lot of energy and enthusiasm for all of them, and to have them here for the primary, i think you'll have a shift. >> there have been calls for people to stop donald trump. is that happening in michigan, from what you know? >> no. for me as chair, i'm neutral. i want them in our state, i want them campaigning in our state. it's up to the voters. the voters get to decide who the nominee is, and my job is to help get that person elected, and whomever the nominee ends up being, i'll be working for them in november. >> do you think it's likely trump will turn out a victory in michigan? >> it's hard to say. in 2012 when mitt came in with rick santorum, mitt was trailing by nine points and then mitt ended up winning by about three points. >> everyone said it was his home state, he should win. >> and he was trailing initially. so michigan is a state that people will take notice, they're going to go to these rallies.
our voters are energized and engaged. i think they'll take stock of everything they say. the debate will make a big difference tomorrow and we'll see what happens. >> in last two times around, obama took this state. are we looking at finally a red state, michigan? >> well, we've had some big changes in our state in the past five years. our unemployment was at 15, five years ago, when governor snyder took office and republicans took the house and the senate, we've now taken that down to 5%. 420,000 new jobs that come to our state. there's a great story to talk about what republican policies have done to turn michigan around. and i think we've got a real shot for our nominee in michigan. >> ronna romney mcdaniel, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. five months after flint changed its water supply due to toxic lead levels with, the lead levels in some areas still exceed safe limits, as we've been talking about. how much will the water crisis here sway voters? after the break, we'll talk to a parent and community organizer focused on the future here.
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so we have some breaking news to tell you now. john kasich here in michigan, in grand blank, just told a crowd that he has spoken to ben carson about the future of carson's campaign. here's what john kasich just said. i just had a very, very nice conversation with dr. ben carson, who announced today that he's suspending his campaign. and i think he held his head high and he's a very, very good man. so they'll all report this, so give a round of applause for ben carson. >> that is the first confirmation we've heard at msnbc that perhaps dr. ben carson's suspending his campaign. we're back life from cafe rama, in flint, michigan, where a new report finds that more than 8% of homes here continue to find lead levels exceeding federal guidelines. it comes nearly five months
after flint switched its water supply away from the notoriously toxic flint river, which was pulling lead out of the pipes, essentially. joining me now is flint resident and founder of wateryoufightingfor, melissa mays, who's been with us here several times. how are you and the kids going, and your husband? >> it's an ongoing struggle. there's pains every day. my kids have missed a lot of school because they're catching every single cold and flu that's hitting, so we're dealing with their lowered immune systems and struggling grades and it's every day and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. >> and this is because they have elevated levels? >> with their bloodwork, they've showed anemia and long-term exposure to the heavy metals, and not just lead, but copper, aluminum, tin, chromium, and several different leathers that are showing up in our blood. >> when the politicians come here and the candidates will be here on sunday debating again, and they talk about you and they say, we've got to do something. do you feel like there's momentum now to actually fix the
situation? >> i think all this pressure is helping. we're seeing little bits and pieces moving forward from the state. we obviously need so much more federal help and state help. we need more medical help right now for people of all ages. so i'm really hoping that sunday will catapult this, and maybe people will realize, yeah, this is something we can't watch and wait anymore. it has to be fixed now. >> and maybe on the republican side, tomorrow night, they debate in detroit. i would imagine someone will ask them, i would think the moderators might ask them about flint. >> i hope so. because so far, they've been silent on us. and of course, for us, we're sitting back going, do they not care? do they not think this is an issue or a problem? just say something and just do something to help us, i guess. >> melissa mays, good to see you. we'll keep checking back with you. wish your family all the best. >> thank you. that does it for this hour at msnbc. our thanks to our hosts here at the cafe rama. steve kornacki picks up our coverage tomorrow. we'll be back here from flint tomorrow.
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