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hi, everybody. good morning. i'm thomas roberts live on location. another beautiful panhandle morning in pensacola beach, florida. super saturday results are in and we have a busy sunday ahead of us. ted cruz and donald trump winning two contests each. making it a tough and winless night for marco rubio. cruz winning caucuses in kansas and maine. the senator explaining yesterday why he's become the alternative to donald trump. >> i think what it represents is republicans coalescing, saying it would be a disaster for donald trump to be our nominee, and we're going to stand behind
the strongest conservative in the race. >> and trump winning louisiana primary and the caucus that was held in kentucky. last night, donald trump calling on marco rubio to drop out of this race. hoping for a one-on-one battle with ted cruz. >> i would love to take on ted one-on-one. that would be so much fun. because ted can't win new york. he can't win new jersey, can't win pennsylvania. he can't win california. i want ted one-on-one. >> meanwhile, marco rubio doing no better than third yesterday, falling way behind in the delegate count. a first place finish here in florida is now even more critical for the senator. just 87 delegates now separate donald trump and ted cruz. look at the scoreboard here. trump leading with 392. marco rubio at a distant third with 130. then we look at what happened on the left for the democrats. bernie sanders winning caucuses in both nebraska and kansas last
heard trump say, are angling for. the two of them head to head. marco rubio will be fighting very hard to make sure that doesn't happen. his campaign guaranteeing a win in florida, but it makes your state, where you are right now, so, so important. next week. and i don't know how i get down to florida with you, pal. i'm pretty jealous of you. i'm stuck in d.c. >> if you need me to book travel for you, i can do it. i have become a master at booking quick flights. although you're pretty better at booking quick flights that i am. we welcome visitors here. i'll save a seat for you. hallie jackson reporting out of d.c. >> as i mentioned, donald trump is calling on marco rubio, and as hallie talked about there, to drop out of the republican race. this is after rubio finished third in three contests and fourth in another. this morning, truch was asked if it wouldn't be better if he didn't have to go one-on-one against senator ted cruz. take a look. >> i would like, a lot of other places, i don't think ted can do
well there. i would prefer, it cleans it up. >> i want to bring in nbc embed with the trump campaign, ali vitali joining us live from palm beach, where donald trump is this morning before attending a golf tournament later today in miami. so, isn't the conventional wisdom that rubio staying in the race at this point actually h p helps donald trump? >> well, that is the going thought process. that as long as the establishment candidates, and that kinds of the nontrump candidates alt this point stay together, they're splitting whatever percentage of the vote isn't going to donald trump. where that knowledge seems to break down as trump has mentioned in the past, when other candidates drop out, it's not a clean going of the voters to the other candidates. some trickle batrump. i hear, if trump were to drop out, other candidates were appealing to them. so it's not just these establishment and nonestablishment lanes we're talking about. but at the same time,
>> puerto rico has as many delegates as new hampshire. rubio is expected to do well there. over the next few days, shifting resources to florida. plenty of stops in the tampa area and orlando tomorrow. some critics say that rubio hadn't focused enough on florida. so far, the rubio campaign shoots back and says it always has been focused on florida. you heard hallie mention the cruz campaign says it's opened ten campaign offices here trying to make a play for florida. the rubio campaign shoots back and says they have yet to see that materialize. they have seven campaign offices throughout the state. it really will be absolutely crucial for marco rubio to do well here in florida, one of the big questions is will former governor jeb bush make any endorsements. and could that potentially help marco rubio if it does indeed happen. what will happen at the debate in miami this week. might that give some boost to marco rubio, and will his super pac, conservative solutions,
that's been running millions of dollars of attack ads against donald trump here, make any difference? of course, so far, yes, disappointing night for marco rubio yesterday. his campaign says it is in this for the long haul and hopes to pick up delegates. the all really will come down to the march 15th primary in his home state of florida. >> and gabe, when we talk about early voting, it's taking place state wide in florida, is that something that they feel is a bonus for them, or is this going to be a net negative for them? >> well, that depends on how you look at it, thomas. it could be a detriment to rubio if you take the current polling and extrapolate that to early voting. a quinnipiac poll has him down 16 points. another has him down seven poins. already, more than half a million republican primary voters have voted early or absentee here in florida. so it could be that donald trump already has a lot of votes in the bank. the other thing, thomas, is i spoke with one voter yesterday.
she was -- a very interesting story for her. she had voted absentee for jeb bush back when he was still in the race before he suspended his campaign. now she feels that her vote is wasted. she supports marco rubio now, but of course, it's too late. so quyes, the fact that so many republican primary voters here, a good chunk of the electorate have already voted here in florida, that could potentially be a detriment to marco rubio, but we'll have to wait and see. >> yeah, maybe people can take some comfort if they did vote for bush if he comes out with an endorsement between noun and the 15th. gabe gutierrez in jacksonville. thank you. i appreciate it. time to go inside the numbers from super saturday. so take a look at this. here's where we stand after 19 states have weighed in on the republican candidates. 12 wins for trump. 6 for cruz, and 1 for rubio. but the delegate count is a lot closer than that. donald trump now has leads over ted cruz, just by 87 delegates, and then you can see marco rubio
there with 130, john kasich on the board with 35. the next week and a half is going to be key, of the eight biggest delegates haul remains in the race, five will vote in the next nine days. joining me now to crunch the numbers and forecast the calendar, chairman of the florida republican party. patricia mays, political writer for the miami herald, and victoria defrancesco. it's great to have you with me this sunday morning. blaze, let me start with you about the all-important 99 winner-take-all delegates for florida. how could that contest on the 15th really change the dynamic of this race? especially for marco rubio, who has said he feels confident he can win this state and that will really be when his campaign begins? >> hey, thomas. welcome to the great state of florida. yeah, florida's 99 delegates, it's important. what that affords is an opportunity for somebody to catch up in the delegate count
or if it's mr. trump, if he takes the state of florida, it allows for him to expand that lead. florida is important. we moved our primary to march 15th, so we could be winner-take-all, and did it because florida is important. it'spriving to be so. >> so when we think about the path forward. patricia, let me talk to you about what it means for the candidates other than trump to win the 1237 votes necessary for the nomination. when we thing about marco rubio giving a quote yesterday saying this map only gets better for us as we move forward in some other states. he keeps saying wait until you see this, wait until you see that. is this basically lining up to be a contested convention over the summer? >> well, that would be good news for rubio. that's certainly what they hope. but right now, he's got a bigger problem on his hands, which is florida. and there are some florida political strategists woo wish he were spending more time here. i mean, he is in idaho today. he was in puerto rico last
night. no one disagreed with the puerto rico trip because that's a play for florida because of florida's large puerto rican population closer to orlando. it's starting to get to the point where with all of the early votes you mentioned, already in the bank, getting to the contested convention, you know, is looking harder and harder for him. >> so as we think about this, victoria, if rubio were to get out of this race, do you think that's going to help cruz's delegate numbers or potentially john kasich's who says he is going to win ohio, and he is staying in this race until march 15th for that critical day. >> thomas, i really do see this more as helping kasich. you know, rubio and kasich have a lot of differences, but ultimately, they're the establishment lane candidates. one thing i want to say about florida is when we look at the numbers and see marco rubio isn't doing that well or as well as we would expect, we can't forget that florida is a very big state and aside from that,
there's a really big difference between the northern part of florida and the southern part of florida. that southern part of florida is what we think of traditionally as rubio territory, where he has a very strong conservative republican cuban constituency, but the northern part of florida is trump country, is cruz country. it's more tea party conservative. it's more of the southerners that we think of in terms of other regions of the south. going forward, we shouldn't be too shocked to see if marco rubio loses florida, because of those distinctions within the state. >> when we think about the passion that is behind the candidates, that is donald trump as the outsider and look at the math, i want to read this stunning quote a woman gave to the "new york times" saying there's nothing short of trump shooting my daughter in the street and my grandchildren, nothing and nobody that is going to dissuade me from voting for trump. why do you think he has passionately ignited so many people who would say something that extreme about how confident
they are in their vote for him? >> i would say that mr. trump supporters are very passionate. so is all of the candidates very passionate. i think that's one of the reasons you're seeing record turnout on the republican side. mr. trump is a factor in that absolutely, but what you notice is all of the increase in voters coming to the polls aren't necessarily voting for mr. trump. they're voting for all of the candidates. we're seeing a lot of enthusiasm on the republican side. you're not seeing that on the democrat side. that will definitely bode well for us this november. >> and patricia, if the past is a great indicator and looking at the state of florida in the general election and donald trump is a candidate and say hk hik were the candidate, how do you think it would go? who would carry the state? >> i think it would be tight. trump is a well known figure, especially in south florida. he's got four properties he owns between miami-dade and palm beach counties. another three buildings that bear his name. this is the biggest source of
revenue for him in terms of his businesses, just his single biggest revenue producer is the trump doral resort where he's going to appear today apparently as part of this golf championship to give out the trophy. so i don't think he should be underestimated in a general election. despite hillary clinton's long-standing ties to florida and the fact that she is expected to carry the state on primary on march 15th. >> all right, victoria, the last word. if these two candidates, hillary clinton and donald trump, are the general election matchup, what do you think that first debate is going to be like? >> it's going to be raucous and wild, i can tell you that much. i think we'll see hillary clinton try to drill down into the issues with regards to florida, we know it was one of the states that was hardest hit by the recession. florida also being the swing state, it's not solidly democrat or republican, so she's going to try to appeal to that middle. so it's fun. i can tell you that much, thomas.
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doing -- we are with our community, which is so critical. yesterday, we launched a caravan with puerto ricans and dominicans going around orlando, carrying her message, delivering her message, by bringing the moussic, by bringing the pamphlets and talking about the issues she cares about. she has this history with the community. they know who she is, that she has fought for us. that's what we have been doing. >> so we know what the rhetoric has been like on the right. and seeing how that is helping campaigns like a donald trump. yesterday, i had an opportunity to speak with a group of clinton supporters here in florida. i asked one of them as we look down the line and potentially to the general, what it would be like to go up against donald trump. take a listen. >> i think i want to see her go up against donald trump. >> why? >> because i think that 30% of republicans are not going to a national election win.
>> and we see a guy behind you, i don't know if you can see this. he's making a "t "with his hands, i think he's a trump supporter. trying to get his message out that he supports trump. how would they do in a debate against each other. >> he'll stand there and call her names and she'll talk about substantive things. so it will be kind of lopsided. >> you think lopsided because she wouldn't go below the belt, so to speak? >> i certainly hope not. >> certainly hope not, but let's talk about that, because if that is the contest, and that's the matchup, lorella, do you think hillary clinton can stay above the fray against donald trump and hold an intellectual high ground or is she going to have to get in the mud like we have seen marco rubio do? >> you have seen her all along. she talks about the issues that matter. she's in there because she's fighting for families. she's not just trying to make headlines. when i think about the republican and democratic race down the road, even though we
first have to win our florida primary and all the primaries we have left, you know, the republican party isn't speaking to me. the republican party isn't speaking to latino families. i spent 14 years of my life as an undocumented american in the united states. and this will be the first time i get to vote in an election, and i will be casting my vote for her. but when i think about the way that they are talking about us and our families and our contributions in the united states, i feel insulted. so that mobilizes me. that makes me want to get up and fight harder to make sure we elect her, amplify her message and collect with every latino across the country. when they call us criminals, rapists, it means i have to get up and fight harder to make sure they understand who i am and why i'm fighting for hillary clinton, and that's what she has been doing. she was the first candidate to come out and say bbasta, stop, put an end to it, donald trump. >> hillary clinton's campaign director of the latino vote.
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a city's children were poisoned by toxic water because their state government wanted to save money. and i'm glad this crisis is finally getting the national attention it deserves. but let's not forget, there are lots of flints out there. places where poor people and people of color have been left out and left behind. >> i believe that if the local government does not have the resources, if the state
government doesn't have the willingness, then the federal government has got to step in and make flint, michigan, right. >> so there we have the democratic candidates after super saturday in what is a possible preview of what we can expect tonight for the debate in flint, michigan. the new nbc poll this morning showing hillary clinton with a 17-point lead there among likely primary voters. and back in flint, the city began to remove the corroded pipes on friday, even while lead is still finding its way into the water supply. the political battle over funding at the state and federal level is putting completion of the project in doubt. our next guest first sounded the alarm on the crisis in flint. dr. ramona ateesha, a director of the pediatric residency center in flint. it's good to have you here, because yes, you were the first one to bring the attention locally and nationally about the crisis that's happening now. so for you, what do you want to hear tonight from clinton and
sanders in the debate about how to fix the ongoing crisis? >> yeah, i want to hear what they're going to do for our kids. so our kids were essentially all exposed to a neurotoxin for two years. and i want to know how they are going to commit to our children. this is not a one-year, two-year problem. this is a decade-long problem that we're going to have. i want to know how their administration is going to commit and invest in our kids so we can overcome this. >> can you explain, though, the political battle over the funding? it seems as if this would be a slam dunk about what needs to be done and how quickly it needs to be done. so this happening on friday, the fact that the funding on the state and federal level could put the corroded pipe removal and the quickness of that process in doubt. why is that? >> it's baffling because this is not a political issue. this is not a partisan issue. this is a humanitarian issue.
this is america. this is one of our cities. these are our children. there should be no debate about this. this is a federal emergency. and we should be garnering all resources to fix this problem. so it is mind boggling why the resources to repair our infrastructure and to support our families is not getting to us. >> so, explain, though, who is dropping the ball at this point? and why, if everybody is aware of this, and it is a humanitarian crisis, why there could be any delay in what needs to happen? >> that's a great question. and it's beyond me. so it's become part of partisan politics, and it should not be. so i don't know how people sleep at night. i don't know how people are not recognizing this to be a disaster. like a flood or a hurricane. this has all of the attributes of it, and that commitment from all parts of government, and all parties needs to be there. i don't understand the hold up.
>> doctor, thank you so much for joining me this morning. i appreciate it. we'll all be watching tonight to see how this topic is addressed there in flint. thank you. >> much more on the race for the democratic nomination as we roll on here. a beautiful sunday morning in pensacola beach, florida. if you went to sleep early last night, like most of us did, we want to show you "saturday night live's" take on donald trump's famous victory speech on super tuesday. >> he really is a sad, desperate little potato back there, aren't you, chris? >> yes, sir, thank you, sir. please sir, may i have another? >> no. go get on a plane. go home. >> you got it. nk about success, what does it look like? is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student? is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves? is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders
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here's what the delegate count looks like for the republicans. and for the democrats. let's look at the right. republicans just 87 delegates now separating donald trump and ted cruz. trump leading with 392. marco rubio at a distant third with 130. you see ted cruz positioned in the middle. for the democratics, hillary clinton leads with 1,092 delegates. bernie sanders with 477. clinton and sanders facing off tonight in a debate in flint, michigan. a brand-new poll out today shows that clinton has a 17-point lead there among likely primary voters. and while hillary clinton preps for tonight's debate, bill and chelsea clinton are hitting the trail in michigan. the former president is going to be in royal oak, and chelsea clinton is going to be in flint at an event with the mayor, karen weaver. kristen welker joins me now from flint, michigan. she's been traveling with the clinton campaign. we know that the secretary has a pretty big lead as we look at
the new poll out from michigan. sanders has been hitting her hard on trade in the last few days. is the clinton camp lowering expectations to see the number tighten on tuesday? >> absolutely they are, thomas. i think you're seeing that play out in the strategy. you have chelsea clinton here, bill clinton here. crisscrossing the state today. secretary clinton has spent a lot of time here in the past week. they are anticipating that the polls will get a lot tighter. as you point out, senator sanders has been very aggressively hitting eron the issue of trade for supporting nafta. secretary clinton pushing back, saying look, she's called for reforms to nafta and she wouldn't support any trade deal moving forward that didn't increase job growth. this is going to be a hot-button issue tonight, no doubt about that. the other big issue, the water crisis here in flint. secretary clinton will likely tout the fact that she was the first candidate to visit flint, michigan, that chelsea clinton today will be unveiling a new initiative along with the mayor
of flint to try to deal with the crisis. but the resident here want specifics, thomas. that's what we keep hearing. it's going to be critical for secretary clinton and senator sanders if he wants to keep his momentum going from last night to come tonight with specifics. this is an issue that resonates here, throughout the country, and particularly with african-american voters who we have seen be so critical in the democratic primary. >> kristen welker there in flint for us. thanks so much. i want to bring in kasie hunt on the trail with the sanders campaign. she's also in flint, michigan. and kasie, you heard kristen there talk about the sanders momentum. he might not be getting the credit he deserves because of the caveats that are placed on the two caucus wins last night and the fact that he doesn't get proportionally a big boost. as hillary clinton did last night. so what is he saying about how the independents are so important to his path forward? >> hey, thomas. well, the reality is he is going to have to start to show that he can win some of these bigger
states. that he can beat hillary clinton in places, particularly like michigan, which has, of course, its primary coming up on tuesday. and we have increasingly heard bernie sanders talk on the campaign trail about how he would be the best general election candidate to take on donald trump. here's how he argued it last night. >> it's not just that we win. obviously, the vast majority of the democrats, we win a lot of independents as well. and the way to the white house is to win democrats and to win independents. and to make sure trump does not win independents. >> essentially arguing there, as you heard, that independents are on his side. and the past contests have borne that out. sanders' challenge is expanding the electorate. we have seen the democratic turnout down compared to 2008. sanderser of course, doing better when more nontraditional voters show up at the polls.
our own poll showing that in a wider democratic electorate, sanders performed better in michigan. but sanders campaign officials say at this point, they're seeing their numbers close in michigan. i think that's part of why you're seeing all three clintons here in michigan at the close. they know it would be a risk for her if he were to perform particularly well here in michigan. and the sanders campaign correctly points out that when their candidate spends a lot of time and effort in a state, he has tended to at least be able to make it more competitive, thomas. >> msnbc's kasie hunt reporting there in flint for us. nice to see you today. thank you. joining us now is former ohio state senator and bernie sanders supporter nina turner. nice to have you with me. >> good morning. >> as we look at the polling and numbers, sanders has struggled with being able to gather a majority minority vote through the primary. i want to play what a clinton supporter had to say to me yesterday in pensacola beach.
take a look. >> hillary has been around the white house 12 years. she knows it inside and out, and there's nothing bernie sanders will have to go in and learn the technique that she already knows. >> so nina, that woman believes that hillary clinton also has a better plan for social security. your candidate trying to make inroads among the diverse communities of blacks and latinos. how much further can he go in the primary without that collective of support? >> well, thomas, he's going to continue to push and let us not forget where he started from. 3%. you know, when he started. no one would imagine he would be where he is today being very competitive. we also cannot forget that senator sanders is a senator from vermont. he had not had a national profile up until this point. he's running against secretary clinton who has had a national profile for decades. so when more folks hear his story and his vision for this country, they start to gravitate
towards him. thomas, yesterday, he was in my home town of cleveland ohio, at an institutional baptist church, majority african-american crowd. when he started to tell his story about being a college student and fighting for civil rights at a time where he never knew he was going to run for president, he has that heart and soul necessary to take the country to the next level. the more people hear it, we see it especially among our younger votes, they gravitate toward the senator wholeheartedly, and as the senator stated, for democrats to win in the general election, we are going to need all of those voters across the spectrum to come out and support the democrat, and senator sanders is polling the best against all democrats in the general election. >> so let's talk about the mobilization needed, because sanders is losing in michigan currently, nina, but he's leading among the younger voters, leading among nments according to our latest polling.
talk about how the campaign is trying to move these voters, to make sure they show up on tuesday? >> we're working very hard, thomas. there's a team here in michigan. they have been here for quite some time. and also a team in flint. they have been here for quite some time. i just went to a church this morning, dr. west is on his way. ben jealous is here. so we are really pushing, knocking on doors, making the phone calls, trying to get the word out as best we can, because thomas, both democratic candidates, democrats benefit when more voters come out. there should be no democrat at all who is trying to stop folks from coming out to vote. this is about representative democracy, and that democracy is stronger when people come out to vote. we're doing everything possible with our volunteers, with our staff, and with our surrogates, and with the senator himself to push people to the polls. one woman, one man, one vote. the voters will have the final say. we're hoping they're going to say senator bernie sanders. >> nina turner, great to see you.
thanks so much. >> we're going to turn back to the republican side of the race, and ted cruz next. how much will yesterday's victory help the senator in the upcoming contest? we'll ask a spokesperson for the cruz campaign when we come back. stay with us. (engine winding up) (pilot talking to tower on radio) once you get out here... there's just one direction... forward. one time: now. and there's just one sound. you and us... together. telling the world... we're coming for you.
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marco has to get out of the race. has to. because despite what ted said, oh, do i want to run against just ted. that will be easy. >> so now we have donald trump last night after he and ted cruz each won two of yesterday's four contests. leaving marco rubio with a giant goose egg for super saturday. joining me now, someone who would likely welcome that mano a mano fight between trump and cruz. ron nearen, california chair for the cruz campaign. good to have you with me this morning. let's look at the calendar ahead as we look at the states your campaign, the cruz campaign is
targeted. not just to win but also to erode trump's delegate lead. where are your best chance snz. >> well, i'm not going to go into the curtain raising on this, but let's just say i'm here in the state of florida right now, here in jacksonville, where as we like to call it, cruz country. we know that here in florida, for example, this is a critical state for marco rubio, but he's way behind. he's not going to win florida. so it's a question of whether donald trump wins florida or we do. that's why we have opened up ten offices throughout the state. i'm here today and we'll be campaigning here hard. senator cruz last night was in the state of idaho, and held events there as well. you know, it's interesting because marco rubio campaign keeps saying after every time they lose that the map going forward looks really great for them. but we haven't seen any evidence of that. that's why this is a two-person race. i think it's going to become even more so as we have seen in the results last night, that the late ballots that were cast in states like louisiana and then the surprise come from behind
win in the state of maine, shows the trend certainly favors senator cruz's conservatives and republicans consolidate behind him. we that's going to have an impact across the board. >> ron, when we talk about florida, and the poll shows donald trump had a 44% lead here and ted cruz only had 12%, that's 32 points you guys have to make up. i know you said you're opening ten offices here. specifically, how much money are you invested in ads for florida media buys and how much time is cruz going to be spending here between now and the 15th? >> well, two points on that. first is that in the state of maine, until recently, we were 20 points behind in the state of maine and we won that last night. clearly, this is a volatile election environment, and the trend favors us. as for the size of media buys and detailed campaign plans, you'll forgive me if i don't publish those on msnbc. we'll talk about them after the ballots have been counted in the state of florida. we're competing everywhere to win. because we have to get to 1237. senator cruz has made very clear
he's not interested in a contested convention. he wants to win beforehand. so florida has 99 delegates and we're going to go for them. >> if you publicize the events, we'll be sure to tell us, because we'll cover them. we talk about the big wins from kansas and maine. the rubio camp is saying these are small, rural caucuses. what's your respond to that? >> well, look, the rubio campaign has, you know, a bit of a tenuous relationship with reality. you know, they said that they were going to win in south carolina. they didn't. they said they were going to win in nevada. they didn't. they said after super tuesday, well, that would be the high water mark for senator cruz and it would be all downhill from there, but in reality, we won more delegates than donald trump did last night, and marco rubio walked away with zero. now is the time for conservatives and republicans to rally behind senator cruz to unite and come together, and then we can defeat donald trump and have a proven conservative
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way in most of florida right now ahead of the march 15th primary. joining me with a look at the homestretch is democratic pensacola city councilman larry johnson. great to have you with us. let's talk first about marco rubio because he's been promising this win in florida. joe scarborough wrote for the "washington post" today, huh milliated today. that outcome was made more difficult by tonight's collapse. if there is someone around rubio who understands that this campaign is over, they should tell him to go home. and the polling, you know, out of florida, it puts donald trump
at 44%. marco rubio at 28%. as you know florida politics and the voters here, just why isn't the message of a marco rubio home state son not resonating? >> i tell you what. i have been a city councilman here in pensacola for a number of years. i can't really name anything that senator rubio has done for our state. i really don't know of anything. i can't name one win that he's had for our state. senator rubio hasn't even come to pensacola but one time. i mean, he's ignored northwest florida. i don't really know of anything he's done. his message is not resinated with the citizens in the state of florida. in january, we had a trump rally here. and 12,000 people showed up to the civic center for that trump rally. many were turned away. i look for trump to carry florida big. i think the polls are showing that. you have the gentleman on from jacksonville who talked about the cruz campaign and opening up more offices. they can open up 10,000 offices in the state of florida and they're not going to win. it's going to be a trump victory
here big. >> when it comes to hillary clinton, do you think she can do well in florida? >> he'll carry florida. i think it's going to be closer than people are thinking, but hillary will carry florida. >> larry johnson, thank you, sir. i appreciate it. that's going to do it for this hour from our beautiful location in pensacola beach, florida. we'll have more more from our final day of casino beach and grille. joy reid picks up our coverage coming up next from michigan. stay tuned. vo: across america, people are taking charge of their type 2 diabetes with non-insulin victoza®. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar. but it didn't get me to my goal. so i asked my doctor about victoza®. he said victoza® works differently than pills. and comes in a pen. victoza® is proven to lower blood sugar and a1c. it's taken once a day, any time. victoza® is not for weight loss,
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island restaurant. it's the morning after the latest presidential nominating contest. today, donald trump and senator ted cruz are two states closer to the republican nomination. donald trump won louisiana with 41% of the vote. and he also won in kentucky, cue the music, with 36%. ted cruz put the brakes on trump's momentum in kansas where he picked up nearly 50% of the vote. cruz also put a "w" on the board in maine, getting 46% of the vote there. and trump still leads the gop field with 392 delegates, but ted cruz is catching up and has 305 delegates. leaving gop establishment favorite marco rubio still lagging behind in a distant third. today, republican primary voters will head to the polls in puerto rico. and senator rubio addressed supporters there last night before moving on to campaign in idaho today. idaho is one of four states where republicans will be choosing a nominee on tuesday.
on the democratic side, bernie sanders pulled off victories in saturday's two democratic caucuses. in kansas, he won with nearly 70% of the vote to hillary clinton's 32%. in nebraska, he won with 56%. clinton picked up her big victory last night in louisiana with 71% of the vote. now, clinton and sanders are looking ahead to tuesday's races, especially here in delegate rich michigan. a new nbc news/wall street journal/marist polls puts clint en ahead by 17%. sanders will have a chance to narrow the gap when they debate tonight. he got in a few licks earlier today. >> i think here in michigan, where there is a caucus coming up, where there's a primary coming up on tuesday, i think the issues of trade, where nafta and permanent normal trade relations have decimated communities all over michigan, all over illinois, all over
ohio, i have helped lead the opposition to the disastrous trade agreements. secretary clinton by and large has helped support them all. that's going to give us momentum here in the midwest. >> we've got all the latest primary news covered for you at the place for politics. let's start with nbc news campaign embed ali vitali in palm beach, florida, where trump celebrated his victory. he has called for marco rubio to drop out. doesn't rubio staying in the race help trump? >> well, there is some of that, joy. but the trump campaign at the same time is looking to winnow the field. in the end, there does have to be one man standing. if that means he has to begin pushing for rubio to drop out, that seems to be where they're at right now. you mention he said that last night, wanting to go more head-to-head with ted cruz. that's a battle ted cruz has been previewing since iowa, saying it is a two-man race, saying he's the only one who has proven he can beat donald trump. they might actually be getting
that to come to fruition. especially as we move to the march 15th states. in terms of where trump is spending his time in the coming weeks and days, in north carolina this week, in mississippi, in illinois. those are states that vote on the 8th. and on the 15th. he's also spending a lot of time in florida and in ohio. he was in columbus last week. we're down here in palm beach right now. he's been spending the last few election nights at various properties of his around florida. that's important when you look at who's left in the field and who he's left showing he can beat and eventually get them out of the race. if he wins in ohio, in florida, that erodes john kasich and marco rubio's reasons for staying in and showing that they can win their home states. and of course, delegate rich states, swing states in a general election. trump winning here could show he has electability across the map and it could help him shore up republicans who are not sure if he can win in november, joy. >> yeah, a lot of people forget trump is actually a florida resident. alley vitale, thank you very
much. and let's go now to washington, d.c. and nbc news hallie jackson. coming off the wins yesterday, let's talk about ted cruz's path to the nomination. what does the campaign believe that that path would be? >> well, they see a narrow path to victory prior to convention, joy. i think that what you're seeing now is the cruz campaign framing this as a two-man race, as ali talked about, looking ahead to the next couple weeks, you'll see the campaign play in idaho where ted cruz gave the victory speech last night. they'll also look to maybe michigan where our new poll shows cruz somewhat in the mix, but trump obviously still on top. as for march 15th, places like north carolina is somewhere where cruz might try and establish some kind of a beach head. that said, the campaign feels as though cruz has beaten donald trump already in a number of states, as we pull up the michigan poll there, you can see trump ahead by double digits. they feel as though if marco rubio cannot win florida, then as the senator himself has said many times, people who don't win their home states need to drop
out. what you're seeing from team rubio is framing this as a way of, hey, cruz has only won these small, rural caucuses, for example, sort of downplaying the victories that cruz has had so far. because obviously, for marco rubio, it's in his interest to maintain this is a three-man race, in fact, and let's not forget about john kasich. still here, still in the mix. you saw that michigan poll, a place where a couple weeks ago, his campaign was talking big, downplaying expectations fairly recently, the campaign pointing out this poll did not take into account fully that debate performance of his on thursday night. for kasich, the key state and the key date is ohio on the 15th. >> all right, everybody trying to make a case. nbc's hallie jackson in washington, d.c. thank you very much. >> and now, i want to bring in my guest in washington, d.c., care karine jean-pierre, and former obama 2012 deputy state director. and back in new york, john
carlo, who's republican strategist for former president george h.w. bush, and for karl rove in the george w. bush administration. all right, lady and gentleman, i'm going to go to the gentleman first. let's talk about marco rubio a little bit. marco rubio has been drawing big crowds. he's actually been filling up his events. but he's been making an argument, including at c-pac, that the reason to choose him over donald trump is to save the conservative movement and the republican party. is that why he's not doing better? because it doesn't seem that the base voter of the republican party actually cares about either of those two things? >> well, i think that if his appeal is to the conservative wing of the party, recent events suggest ted cruz could lay the best claim on that. marco rubio in order to stay viable, he needs to present himself as what he talked about earlier in the campaign, which is being the candidate that can unite all of the factions of the republican party. to me, that's his strongest argument. >> how does he do hat? how does he unite all of the
factions when the base of the party, the blue-collar white, working class republican voter does not want immigration reform. rubio did immigration reform. does not want a united party that can govern in washington. they want a party to blow it up and defeat president obama in horrible ways. how does he unite the part of the party saying we don't want the establishment. the entire establishment is behind marco rubio. >> you correctly identified what has been the loudest voice in the republican party to date, but the specific answer to your question is he has to win florida. if he can win florida, and if he can build some of the momentum that he had coming out of new hampshire and south carolina, then he still has a shot at his fair share of the delegates that remain heading into cleveland. but that's what he has to do. he has to start winning. >> has to start winning. if he wins florida, he gets 99 delegates. where does he win after that? >> you have to look at the math. as we turn to some of the northeastern states and bigger states like pennsylvania and california, he would play well there because i think in states with a diverse base of the
republican party, as exists in three of the states i just mentioned, i think rubio's message of being sort of conciliatory and being a uniter, that can make the party feel good about itself again, that message would wear well and could carry him into the summer, into the convention. >> all right, let's go to karine. bernie sanders has a similar math problem, he's winning its states with 10% or less african-americans, that are not as diverse, that tend to be more rural and white. where does bernie sanders have an opportunity to win a big state and a diverse state? >> it would have to be michigan on tuesday, joy. you know, you have the detroit area. you have a strong african-american black electorate there. and you know, he's been talking about nafta, about trade. it's starting to resonate, but the problem he's going to have is that hillary clinton, secretary clinton, has a very strong relationship, a legacy there in the state. and so that's going to be very difficult, and clearly, she's
been doing well in the polls. both sides are saying things are tightening up there, but that would be a great opportunity for him because if he were to do well or win actually, needs to win michigan, he could go into march 15th states and see how he plays in the rest of those states. ohio and the others, and illinois, as he's been talking about. >> i mean, thatt is the challenge, though, isn't it? the states that are coming up on march 15th, and north carolina, big delegate rich states, they're precisely the thing bernie sanders is not winning. they're diverse. they have lots of african-american and latino voters. what would be different in ohio or florida or illinois or missouri than has been the case in any of the other diverse states where he hasn't done well? >> what he's been trialing to do is really trying to hit hillary clinton on nafta and trade. and he's been talking about that cleary for the past week. look, i think it's going to be very difficult for him. it's going to be -- it's an uphill battle, about the
delegate math. i do not see how he picks up, but his message hasn't been resinated with african-americans, unfortunately for him, and he doesn't have the name i.d. hillary clinton has had for the past 25 years. it's an uphill battle, but we'll see. tonight we have the debate in flint, michigan. he'll have an opportunity there to really speak to the people and really push his message and see if it resonates there, and then a town hall tomorrow, as well. so we'll just see. but it's indeed an uphill battle. the delegate math is just not in his favor. >> yeah, indeed. the math. math is cruel when it comes to campaigns. karine jean-pierre and jean carlo, thank you for being here. >> still ahead, the mayor of flint joins me with an update on the massive effort to clean up the lead-tainted water in her city. >> plus, clinton surrogate debbie dingell joins me with a preview of hillary clinton's message in tonight's debate in flint. ou can check on them.
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both hillary clinton and bernie sanders have drawn national attention to flint's water crisis. and that will continue tonight. the two contenders will meet for the seventh democratic debate in the michigan city that still reeling from a manmade public health disaster. senator sanders has called for the resignation of michigan governor rick snyder for his administration's failure to respond to the lead poisoning crisis. and secretary clinton has argued that the crisis was ignored in part because of the city's poor and largely african-american population. let's start with the clinton campaign and bring in nbc's kristen welker live in flint. kristen, so hillary clinton, she does have a big lead in the state. what should we expect to hear
from her tonight? >> well, i think you should expect to hear specifics. that's what the residents of flint want to hear from both of these candidates, really, not only how they would address the crisis, but how they would prevent it from ever happening again. earlier today, chelsea clinton -- i should say later today, and before the debate, chelsea clinton along with flint's mayor is going to unveil a new initiative on the crisis. you can expect secretary clinton to tout that and also the fact she was the first candidate to visit city of flint. again, joy, i think this is about specifics. and if these candidates don't bring specifics, i think the voters here in flint and throughout michigan are going to be disappointed by that. i also think you can expect secretary clinton to be prepared for sharp attacks from senator sanders. he's been signaling these attacks in recent days, particularly on the issue of trade. she supported nafta. he's been hammering her over that issue. she's been pushing back, saying moving forward, she wouldn't support a trade deal that doesn't increase and improve job growth. she's going to try to paint
herself as the candidate with the most realistic policy. she's been signaling that strategy for quite some time as well. the stakes are high for both of the candidates tonight. as you point out, secretary clinton has a big lead among delegates, and even though sanders won two caucuses yesterday, she won louisiana and ultimately netted more delegates than senator sanders. she's ahead in the polls in michigan, but the campaign clearly not taking that for granted. they have been downplaying expectations. they expect the polls to get tighter. that's why you have chelsea clinton here, former president bill clinton stumping here today. secretary clinton will be here throughout the day tomorrow. they're putting a lot of emphasis on michigan ahead of the important votes on tuesday. >> thank you very much to kristen welker in flint. appreciate it. now, on the other side, bernie sanders has a long way to go in his goal of cutting into clinton's delegate lead. msnbc's kasie hunt has been covering the sanders campaign. joins us now from flint.
kasie, bernie sanders got two wins last night. that's a little bit helpful, but he didn't beat hillary clinton in delegates. what are we looking for the sanders campaign to do to try to close down the gap? >> he didn't, joy. you're right, and in many ways, last night was the status quo for this democratic contest, right? bernie sanders won some of these whiter places, cogs states, while hillary clinton did very well with african-americans, particularly in the south. of course, louisiana being the contest we saw last night. the sanders campaign expecting to do well in the democratic caucus in maine. hillary clinton's camp will privately say that's another example of a home area state that of course has these demographics that are favorable to bernie sanders. in many ways, he's kept on pace for where things stand. if sanders really wants to change the dynamic, and both sides of this campaign know this, he has to start winning in some of these bigger states. and that starts here in michigan, and it's very clear that the sanders campaign and
the clinton campaign know how important this state could be. for clinton, if she is able to win in a big way, it could in many ways send a signal that she's going to put sanders away on march 15th in states like illinois, like ohio. these bigger states with a lot of white working class voters who are very unhappy with how this economy has treated them over the course of the past few years. and for sanders, the stakes in michigan are high because if he does in fact, if he's able to close the gap with her, he could show that he will put himself back on the map. of course, the challenge for him, those margins, the proportional process makes it harder for you to win a lot of delegates. if you don't put up a really aggressive margin. the sanders campaign will privately say sanders has closed strong in the states he decided to put effort into. look at oklahoma for example, and they're seeing their numbers start to move. it's going to be an interesting night on tuesday that will say a lot about how the process is
going to unfold going forward, joy. >> kasie, real quick, because one of the other issues is that sanders is doing better in states where independents can vote, motso well in closed primaries. how is the campaign dealing with that? >> sure, well, he as an independent himself, and you look at, i have talked to a lot of independent voters over the course of the last couple months covering this who say this is a guy who has been independent his entire life. and of course, those are the voters that someone is going to have to win over in the general election. whether you're the republican or the democratic candidate. but here's how sanders argued this point last night. >> it's not just that we win. obviously, the vast majority of the democrats. we win a lot of independents as well. and the way to the white house is to win democrats and to win independents. and to make sure trump does not win independents. >> so of course, the challenge for sanders, he's running in a democratic primary. so even if you dig into our own
nbc marist polling, you'll see when they look at the likely democratic primary electorate, hillary clinton has a larger lead than if you expand the pool of potential voters and look at people who maybe haven't voted in the past in democratic primaries or haven't voted at all. that's the universe that bernie sanders needs to show up. you have seen that he has won in the places where that's happened and had a much tougher time in places where there's a very traditional democratic primary electorate showing up to vote. joy. >> all right, msnbc's kasie hunt in flint, michigan, with great information. thank you very much. and joining me now here in the hotdog shop, i was going to say in the studio, is representative debbie dingell of michigan. thank you for being here. >> great to be here. >> storied michigan political family, i should say. your dad is a legend. let's talk about some of the dynamics of the michigan race specifically for hillary clinton and bernie sanders. the issue of trade, not good for hillary clinton. >> well, i'm going to disagree
with you on that. i think she came in here on friday and made it very clear how she feels about and will not support the tpp. i have been one of the leaders in congress in opposition to tpp. i cannot tell you how strongly i feel about it. i supported nafta, and by the way, i supported the free trade agreement. but i can't sit on the sidelines anymore and watch what the japanese and chinese are doing with currency manipulation. she's saying the same thing. i think the uaw workers and teamsters workers, i'm talking to them, i'm in their halls every week. >> if you go into the fall election and have donald trump doing this hard core populist message aimed at blue collar workers and hillary clinton taking a long time to decide she was against tpp, having been married to the president who did nafta. does she have as strong an election in a general election as a bernie sanders would who has been four square against these free trade agreements. >> he hasn't been all of the time, and he hasn't supported things when it came to the export/import bank.
didn't vote for it. i have deep respect for all candidates and we all have to come together, but when you look at who is going to be a person in the fall that is going to fight for working men and women, the middle class that's disappearing in this country, that voters are going to look and say she's someone who understands me. she's someone who's doing to fight for all of us, who is going to fight, that understands that equal opportunity when you raise everybody up, everybody benefits. i think she will not have a tough time on that in the fall. >> let's talk about the argument that bernie sanders is making in regard to the way that she's been able to win where he's won. he talks about being able to win independents and doing much better at that than hillary clinton, and that is clear. he does better with independents. does hillary clinton have in the end an independent voter problem? >> i want to talk about michigan, and then i want to talk about the broader problem. people don't understand michigan. so you don't register by party in michigan. so suddenly, you have to go to the voting poll and pick republican or democrat. so it's very difficult to measure that in polling. i'm somebody, i have been blunt
with everybody. i think the polls will be tighter than people show. but i don't think hillary clinton is going to have a problem with the independent voter. there are young people who like bernie, but young people come to my campus at the university of michigan, i have kids on both sides, and we have women -- and we should not vote for hillary clinton because she's a woman. i'm voting for someone who understands economic policy, that wants to create jobs for everybody, who has fought for health care and who is also pragmatic and practical and reaches across the aisle and actually wants to get something done. i think that there are going to be a lot of independent voters who see that side of her and will say, i think she'll work with everybody and try to get -- there are people who want to talk about issues. they would rather talk about an issue than get something done. hillary clinton is somebody who wants to get it done. >> lastly, what do you expect to hear about flint in the debate? >> they're both going to talk about flint. i'm somebody who thinks government failed the people of flint at all levels. i think you're starting to hear
more people talk today in the sunday talk shows about what was the federal role. we have to make sure, there are three messages there. for me, since i first started hearing about it, what do the people of flint now need to keep them safe. what is it going to take to fix it, what are the resources they need? get it and deliver. but thirdly, hold people accountable. that this happened for, and there's an independent investigation going on on that. but the most important is how do we make sure this never happens in another american city again? that, to me, is the most important discussion. flint was poisoned, and we have to fix it. but if we don't fix the root problem that caused it, this could happen anywhere. and we live in america. how did this happen? >> yeah. >> in the usa. >> since it's sunday, i will say amen. thank you very much, debbie dingell, thank you if being here. and giving great coat, by the way. we're loving your white coat. >> and up next, mayor karen weaver, the mayor of flint, michigan, will join me to talk
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tonight, hillary clinton and bernie sanders will face off in a debate not far from here, in flint, michigan. it's a city that was thrust into the national spotlight in the past few months following the discovery of dangerous levels of lead in the drinking water. flint mayor karen weaver has been outspoken in her endorsement of hillary clinton. we thank you so much for being here. and i know you're supportive of hillary clinton in terms of this primary. but what would you want to hear from bernie sanders tonight? as he debates hillary clinton in flint. >> well, one of the things that we're looking for, not only myself, but the residents of the city of flint from everybody is we know we need some long-term solutions to what's going on in the city of flint. we can't continue to live off bottled water and filters. so we're looking at, you know,
what can be done for us in the long term? we have really got to start planning for that. whether it's with the infrastructure, whether it's with our business community. our homes. we know our property values are going down. our neighborhoods have been neglected. so we're looking at overall what can be done to help the city of flint, because this water crisis has really had a domino effect on so many other things that the city is facing. >> and mayor weaver, we know that some prominent people including bernie sanders have called on the governor of the state to resign over what happened in flint, over his administration's decision to switch to flint river water. there's going to be a recall effort that's supposed to be launched on easter sunday to try to make that happen, to recall the governor, should the governor resign in your view? or should he be recalled? >> you know what? those things are in place, and one of the things i have been talking about is he's going to have to decide what needs to be done. i'm going to let his conscience
be his guide. as we continue to find out moyer and more information through e-mails, if we look up and say, oh, he knew, and whoever is accountable, whoever is responsible, i should say, we want them to be held accountable. if that's what we find out, sobeit. we really can't stop there. one of the things we know is we want everybody who knew something and when they knew something to be held accountability for what happened in the city of flint. right now, we're glad this investigation is going on. we're glad we're getting more and more information about where the fault lies. but i have been really trying to focus on getting what we need for the citizens of flint. the money, the services, the support, those kinds of things. >> and have lead pipes begun to be replaced in the homes in your city? and if so, who is paying for that? >> you know what. we started friday. that was the first day of the fast start program i put in place. it's very interesting that you ask that because one of the things that we thought we were
getting was the $500,000 from the governor to get started with this program. and he started putting some things in place himself. and so he went in and contracted a company to get started. so what we ended up doing is i said here's my list. start with my list. that's how we're getting it covered. >> interesting. and i know that you met with the governor actually the last time we were down here when rachel maddow was here to do a town hall. you were able to secure funds from the state to defray the cost of water bills because people are paying the highest water rates in the country in your city. has that been delivered and are they being assisted? >> they should see that on the next billing cycle is when they'll start to see that relief. really, i'm hoping to make some changes to that because the way it was originally discussed was it was going to cover a percentage of the usage. we're saying that the entire thing needs to be covered. we shouldn't be paying for water we can't use. so that's what we're looking at. but it has not been delivered. it should be, but they'll start
seeing that relief on the next set of water bills that come out. >> okay, and let's circle back to presidential politics quickly. hillary clinton does have your support. she is leading in the michigan polls. what led you to support former secretary clinton? >> well, you know, i have always admired the hard work that she's done. but one of the things that happened is shortly after i did the emergency declaration, she started sending people here. she started sending top level people here. and they have been coming on a weekly basis. she has been here several times. she reached out. we had conversations about what we could do for the citizens of flint to move things forward for us. and she has not stopped. she's been steadfast in working with us and coming here and talking with me about ways that she could help with what was going on in flint, because we know what's happened in flint is a crisis. and it could happen anywhere else as well. so that's what it was. hillary clinton put feet on the ground, and they have been here ever since. we have been in constant
communication. and in fact, today, we'll be talking about an initiative to help put young people to work. >> all right, thank you very much. that will do it. flint mayor karen weaver, really appreciate you taking the time to be here. thank you. >> okay, thank you. thank you. and up next, the democrats and the delegate math. can bernie sanders catch hillary clinton? more on that when we come back. then your eyes may see it differently. only flonase is approved to relieve both itchy, watery eyes and congestion. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. when we breathe in allergens our bodies react by over producing six key inflammatory substances that cause our symptoms. most allergy pills only control one substance. flonase controls six. and six is greater than one. complete allergy relief or incomplete. let your eyes decide. flonase. 6>1 changes everything. at ally bank, no branches equals great rates. at ally bank, no branche it's a fact. kind of like grandkids equals free tech support.
this week, the race for the white house kicks into an even higher gear. between today and march 12th, a total of more than 1,000 delegates are at stake on both sides. the biggest prize on tuesday right here in the michigan primary. then, things really heat up a week later on march 15th. five states including the big winner take all states of ohio and florida will hold their nominating contests. a total of 400 delegates up for grabs that day alone, with the potential to change the game on either side of the aisle. in the meantime, the candidates
in both parties are going all-out to get every vote they can. joining me is symone sanders, national press secretary for the bernie sanders campaign. we're going to talk math. where do you win next? big state, diverse state? which of those can sanders win? >> we're looking to win michigan on tuesday. so we're fighting to win. so the senator, we have been in michigan. we have been in detroit. we had a rally town hall last night. we are hosting a town hall this afternoon. right here in detroit, at the cwa hall. talking about the issues most important to the people of detroit, talking about the black vote. we'll have the alphaphi alpha president talk about the vote. some local folks talking. we're actively looking to win right here in michigan because we think the senator's message resonates. when you're talking about trade specifically, it's the disastrous trade deals, the trade policies, policies that up until recently secretary clinton supported that decimated
communities such as detroit, such as flint, this unfettered free trade. senator sanders has a record of standing up against the disastrous trade deals and standing with the american workers. >> here's the thing, michigan is the perfect sort of state tailor made for the message of bernie sanders, right? as you said, detroit, the a autodry gutted by free trade. large african-american populations gutted by unemployment. if he can't win michigan, isn't it a message that there's not a state more perfect for him? >> i think yes, the state is favorable to senator sanders and his message and our campaign, and we have spent a lot of time and invested a lot of resources here, but we have also invested resources in ohio. the senator was in ohio yesterday, hosting a cleveland community conversation. and we had over 1,000 people, three fourth of the room was african-american, joy, and we talked about everything from trade, but also to criminal justice reform to education to
economic inequality and jobs. jobs is a real thing. same thing in illinois. we think, again, we're looking to do well here on tuesday. we're working for a win. but tuesday does not blunt the momentum of the campaign. >> you guys obviously have terrific surrogates. killer mike, nina turner, got bernie sanders on the pulpit in church which is not easy to do in cleveland. you have a message that should be resonating with voters caring about economic issues, but is math and time just not on your side? you can't talk to every single voter in florida, in ohio, even here in michigan. ant math and time just against you at this point? >> i think there's still an opportunity. so again, we are not letting up. we're on the ground here in michigan. again, we had folks, the senator was in ohio, but when the senator is not there, we're still there working. we have people in illinois we have people in north carolina,
as well. >> why do you think african-americans are overwhelmingly going for hillary clinton. >> the african-american community was not as familiar with senator sanders. >> he's been out for a year. >> his name recognition was relatively low. and also, african-american vo r voters care about electability. it wasn't until iowa that most people took our campaign seriously, and nevada, we demonstrated we could do well in a diverse electorate. we did not do as well in south carolina, we admit that. >> if you can't win in a state that is diverse, would you agree with me, if he's only winning in majority white states, that's not good for the campaign. >> we pulled out a win in nebraska yesterday. we pulled the latino count as. we won them by 20%. >> we have breaking news. i have to break in. we're going to go to breaking news. let's go to kasie hunt with breaking news for us. >> hi, joy.
some very sad news to report to you today. the ronald reagan library has confirmed former first lady nancy reagan has passed away at the age of 94. i'm just going to read you the statement. it says nancy davis reagan, former first lady of the united states, died this morning at her home in los angeles at the age of 94. the cause of death was congestive heart failure. the statement goes on to say mrs. reagan will be buried at the ronald reagan presidential library in simi valley, california. very beautiful place for those of you who have been there, next to her husband, ronald wilson reagan, who died on june 5th, 2004. prior to the funeral service, an opportunity for members of the public to pay their respects at the library, and details will be announced shortly. the library is requested in lieu of flowers, mrs. reagan requests contributions made to the ronald reagan presidential library. it's reaganlibrary.com.
they also passed along biographical information of nancy reagan. of course, nancy reagan becoming quite a figure in her own right over the course of the last several decades. she has, of course, held presidential debates at that reagan simi library site. there was one earlier this year with this year's republican presidential candidates. there was also one in 2012 as well, joy. >> all right, thank you very much. very sad news, kasie hunt, thank you. to recap, breaking news. just in to msnbc, nbc news has confirmed the death of former first lady nancy reagan. she was 94 years old. from hollywood to the white house and beyond, nancy reagan and her husband former president ronald reagan were side by side on the adventure of a lifetime. lester holt takes a look back at her life and legacy. >> nancy davis was an actor herself when she met ronald reagan.
i was the happiest girl in the world when i became we. >> they married in 1952. a simple ceremony, and even appeared together in hellcats of the navy, the last of her 11 films. >> i began to think maybe you were playing the south sea circuit. >> you knew better. >> how could i know? did you give me a post-dated check? >> from then on, by her own description, her life was devoted to her husband, as mother to their two children, patty and ron, and as step mother to his two children by former wife jane wiman. then came politics and her long career as a first lady. first in california to governor ronald reagan in 1966. >> what's ronny's greatest asset for the women voters?
>> just being ronny, i guess. >> then, to president reagan in 1980. after the president was shot by a would-be assassin just two months into his first term, his wife was forever shaken. >> every time he went out and talked to thousands of people, my heart stopped. >> but she carried on, steadfast in her chosen roles as the president's protector, best friend, and partner in efforts. >> white house decor, and accused of managing her husband. >> doing everything we can. >> but the fact is, she never wavered as a loving wife in all the ways she knew. and when in the mid-90s the then former president revealed he had been diagnosed with alzheimer's
disea disease, the partner who would rarely leave his side visited the republican national convention to share her family's pain and a new cause. >> we have learned as too many other families have learned of the terrible pain and loneliness that must be endured as each day brings another reminder of this very long good-bye. >> so nancy let me say thank you for all you do. thank you for your love. and thank you for just being you. >> she stayed close to her ronnie even in her last years. she made it a point to be there when the reagan library hosted election year debates, and to visit her husband's resting place. a love story to the very end. lester holt, nbc news.
>> good day, everyone. i'm alex witt with this special report. we have confirmed the death of former first lady nancy reagan. she was 94 years old. from hollywood to the white house, and beyond, nancy reagan and her husband, former president ronald reagan, were side by side on the adventure of a lifetime. nbc nightly news anchor lester holt takes a look back at her life and legacy. >> nancy davis was an actress herself when she met ronald reagan on the mgm lot in 1949. he was already a star, but though she had her own hollywood dreams, she later said she found her greatest role as his wife. >> i think i was born to be married. i was the happiest girl in the world when i became we. >> they married in 1952, a simple ceremony, and even appeared together in hellcats of the navy, the last of her 11
films. >> i began to think maybe you were playing the south seas circuit. >> you knew better. >> how could i know? did you give me a post dated check? >> from then on, by her own description, her life was devoted to her husband. as mother to their two children, patty and ron, and as stepmother to his two children by former wife jane wyman, and then came politics and her long career as a first lady, first in california to governor ronald reagan in 1966. >> what's ronnie's greatest asset for the women voters? >> just being ronnie, i guess. >> and then to president reagan in 1980. after the president was shot by a would-be assassin just two months into his first term, his wife was forever shaken. >> every time he went out and talked to thousands of people, my heart stopped. >> but she carried on, steadfas
her chosen roles as the president's protector, best friend, and partner in efforts in the anti-drug campaign for which she was ever linked. >> when it comes to drugs and alcohol, just say no. >> she was criticized for consulting an astrologer about the president's schedule. dubbed queen nancy for her expensive tastes in fashion and white house decor, and accused of managing her husband. >> doing everything we can. >> but the fact is, she never wavered as a loving wife in all the ways she knew. and when in the mid-'90s the then former president revealed he had been diagnosed with alzheimer's disease, the partner who would rarely leave his side visited the republican convention to share her family's pain and a new cause. >> we learned as toor many other families have learned of the terrible pain and loneliness that must be endured as each day brings another reminder of the very long good-bye.
>> so nancy, let me say thank you for all you do. thank you for your love. and thank you for just being you. >> she stayed close to her ronnie even just being you. >> she stayed close to herronny even in his last years. she made a point to be there when the reagan library hosted debates and to visit her husband's resting place, a love story to the very end. lester holt, nbc news. >> i want to bring in nbc's andrea mitchell who joins us by phone. lester said it best. it was an extraordinary love story. >> it was an zroor love story. i should say i'm flooded with a flood of memories. she was the most consequential first lady i can imagine in modern history. for all of her every missteps and criticism of luxury and
designer gowns and designer china and white house expenses during the recession in 1982, she became throughout the first term and in the second term very clearly the most important adviser who pushed and moved the president in very significant ways toward conversations and discussions with mikhail gorbachev in 1985 in the first gen knee va summit believing that stalk was better than a continuation of the cold war. this is a president who said he could not talk because they kept dying on them and she was the one who saw the opening and saw the possibility and who framed all of those summit conversations and the social moments despied her antipathy to mrs. gorbachev. she played the role behind the scenes without ever losing that
touch that endured her to him, of course, and also eventually to the nation. she was a very important political adviser and figure all the way even during his first election when she lead to in new hampshire the firing of many of his staff members. she brought in jim baker and whoev others who were not part of the campaign. she loved gossip. she loved fun. went to the reagan library and spoke there and talked to her on the phone most cently. taked with her when margaret thatcher died. i spoke with her on the phone. she was very frail. she did not want to go around in public. she was unable to move around very easily but she remained plugged in until almost the very end and was a historic impact and figure in the social life. >> i think there are those who would suggest she was his number one protector.
if anyone went through him, you had to go through nancy to get to him. >> in fact, that led to the firing of chief of staff don regan. she had to go around the president. he was fired for hanging up on the first lady f you can imagine and there's never been a more powerful first lady. hanging up in anger against the first lady. but she brought people in. she brought in democrats. the late robert strauss, former head of the democratic party and the sovietionion. she brought in all sorts of figures to talk and better inform the president so he was not isolated in the white house. and she protected him perhaps excessively from too much travel after his first pretty much well viewed as disastrous trip to europe in 1982 when he was overscheduled and barely got through a three country day
ending in a state dinner in windsor castle after starting out in rome and meeting with the pope. but the fact is that she in keeping his travel schedule preserved his presidency in realizing that he needed more time, that for him to go to china, he needed to go to hawaii and acclimate and go to g waum and acclimate further and see the troops. he managed to organize the white house and she was feared by the white house staff. all of those trips to santa barbara, people dreaded getting santa braush rah duty because then there was no buffer between you and the calls from the first lady, but it was all in the interest of her husband and his presidency. i have to say those love letters to nancy after his death, his writings, his diary reflected a person of incredible
intelligence and insight and a beautiful writer and contradicted all of the other assumptions about ronald reagan and forgetfulness which could have been early signs of alzheimer's, but the fact that that love affair and his intelligence and destroegs her are what we really remember and also her fighting for stem cell research, for alzheimer's, for going against the conservative party grain, even the sitting president. she really fought for health, for scientific research. she was the first person who finally steered her husband with her brother's help, richard davis, who was a physician, toward thinking differently about aids after ignoring the scourge. she really did open ronald reagan up to all kinds of different ideas. i think it's because of her as well as, of course, his good instincts that it became a
successful presidency. >> andreandrea, it's 55 past thr and we have this news that we share with all of you with heavy heart t passing of former first lady nancy reagan at the age of 94. we're told she died in her bel air home in california. we do not know more circumstances than that. she was in frail health in later years and had not been seen in public for some time, but andrea, as we continue with you, i think the phrase "just say no" became synonymous with her. she coin thad phrase to talk about her battle against drug and alcohol addiction, not hers specifically, but that she so supported that for people. that was her legacy within the white house that she took on with a great passion. >> that was also part of -- let's be clear. it was part of a recalculation, that she had to do something important and substantive because of all the terrible
publicity in the first few years. so michael beaver who was one of the top three advisers, jim baker, michael deever, and ed bees came up it. she did it very effectively. she did it by reaching out to her holiday friends and others. it was very well produced as a public service campaign and she threw herself into it. just say no to drugs became her theme of those years in the first term of her presidency. that said, i they're eventually the most consequential contribution will be in foreign policy because it was she who really encouraged her husband to begin talking with what was then the leader of the soviet union after he had been unable to because of the elderly and
difficult stage of mikhail gosh chauv's predecessor. that ended the soviet empire and the military deployments and the rest of the reagan doctrine that. led to the end of the cold war and the end of in 1989 the berlin wall coming down and all of the other developments that transformed europe and the world. >> in steering away from both domestic and international politics, andrey. she was truly a style icon, probably the first of a great merit since jacqueline kennedy oh nay sis, of course, jacqueline kennedy during her white house years. she made designers like bill blass, she made their career and people looked to her at the ultimate haut couture during her year in the white house. >> that's true. bill blass, adolfo, all of those design designers. she paid a price for that. there was a recession in 1982
and she eventually reclaimed her popularity to a certain extent not only with just say no but came to a traditional event which has been going on now for 131 years s again last night, the gridiron journalist. there were skits that were performed and she as first lady showed up to the surprise of all the washington journalists who she had disdained. she showed up dressed as a char woman ingedy clothes and sang a song from barbra streisand and did a bang-up job and won over the press corps. >> let's remember she was an actress before she became first lady. some of our stations will go back to regular programming.
for ours, our coverage continues. it is high noon in the east, 9:00 nam the west. i'm alex wittman with breaking news. former president ronald reagan's wife died. former first lady nancy reagan died at her home in los angeles at the age of 94. the cause of death was congestive heart failure. she'd be buried at the library of congress next to her howze ronald reagan. let's go right now to presidential historian michael bertsch love who's on phone.