tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC March 8, 2016 12:00am-1:01am PST
"all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> should we do the pledge. raise your hand. >> the donald trump pledge rolls on as the president of mexico compares trump to hitler. >> i swear i'm going to vote for donald trump next week. >> tonight, new signs of hope for the never trump contingent and why a contested convention is becoming real possibility. democrats boil over this michigan. >> excuse me. i'm talking. >> why the clinton-sanders fight is getting testier. why there's a full on panic over marco rubio? >> i call for him to drop out of the race.
>> stand your grounding update to the candidate draft standings. "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. with four more states to set to hold the republican nominating contest tomorrow, the better late than never stop trump faction of the gop still faces long odds. after weekend of mixed results for trump, for the first time, that faction may have some wind at its back. on saturday, republican voters managed to blunt some of trump's momentum. he beat ted cruz in two southern state primaries in louisiana and kentucky. he won in maine and kansas by pretty wide margins. 46 to 33 in maine where trump was endorsed and 48-23 in kentucky. that gave cruz nine more delegates and overall it's looking more and more like a two-man race. we'll have more about rubio in a bit.
tomorrow, the republican front-runner facing the michigan primary with 59 delegates up for grabs and largely white working class electorate who one would think would be receptive to his message on trade. >> cars will be made in our country. we have been fighting. >> a new poll shows trump with a commanding lead over his rivals. 36%. cruz at 23, rubio at 13. his margin appeared to shrink over the four days in the polls conducted. on thursday and friday he was at 39%. 17 points ahead of his closest rival. by saturday and sunday he was down to 32%.
just six points ahead of john kasich. if you talk to republicans who maintain that trump can still be stopped, their case has opinion there's a ceiling to his appeal. his hard core supporters will stick with him, they don't represent anything close to majority republican voters. that's liking like a more plausible protection as the field winnows and ted cruz continues to make gains. as we have seen more evidence of the singularly bond of donald trump and his die hard fan, one that probably doesn't extend to the rest of the gop electorate. take this disturbing image of a crowd at rally raising their right hands in a pledge to vote for trump. it was called about as offensive and disgusting as anything i thought i would witness. it's a fascist gesture. even after responses like that trump seems to have made the pledge a part of his stump speech and his crowds are only too happy to comply.
>> should we do the pledge? raise your hand. i swear i'm going to vote for donald trump next week. i swear. raise your right hand. do you swear you're going to vote for donald trump tomorrow. raise that hand. i love you. >> his devoted following especially among the more extremist edges of the american right has become how the trump phenomenon is understood. >> trump's an outsider. washington needs that. i think he can make this country great again. >> when people ask why you support donald trump, you just tell them. >> he's going to take our economy from here to here. i like that. >> he's not some cautious
politician. he says what i'm thinking. >> i don't know what it is, i just like the guy. >> right on cue, the actual white supremacists issued state taking offense saying racist for trump presents trump supporters as wholesome people until the punch line of swastikas, clan robes and book burnings. it's not wholesome to give away land, culture, heritage or race without a struggle or fight. his candidacy is a modest step in the awakening of civilization. joining me now is michael steele. >> i'm on by myself. >> yeah. here's my theory. i want to get your feedback on my current theory. i basically think you've got a third, a third, a third. you got a third of hard core
trump supporters. a third hard core never trumps and about a third in the middle. i actually think, the mitt romney stuff, all the signals being sent to this middle third over the last two weeks is having the intended effect. it's sending the signal to those people that could get themselves on the band wagon with enough signaling to hold up and not get on that band wagon. what do you think of that? >> i don't buy that. >> why not? >> i don't think it was mitt romney. you know what i think has had the effect. this is where i thought you were going with your set up. the kkk comments or lack thereof. the refusal to just kind of put that down. he did it on friday, but the story didn't stick until saturday, sunday, monday. i think that had a chilling effect on the turn out that we saw this weekend for trump. i think people were like, i just don't want to be a part of that.
i'm really suspicious of it. i think it burned him much more than they thought it would or anticipated it. >> you think that story produced a revulsion effect? >> i do. i got a lot of phone calls. there were a lot of people like i cannot believe this. this is not the party i want to be part of. i can't do it. i think that had sort of that residual effect. the other piece, the romney piece probably played more to those who have establishment leanings but were lured into the trump narrative. i really do believe that had more of an impact than people want to give it credit for. >> that's an interesting point. there's also something else going on which i'm curious to get your thoughts on. when i was down in houston i talked to a pastor who had come out to watch our live show. he's a republican. he said he voted for rubio. he said every pastor, christian pastor, evangelical pastors were
pretty strongly anti-trump and were trying to persuade their flock do not go for this guy. i think part of what you're seeing in cruz's showing this weekend and the fact there really is a basis support is that evangelical base has not gone over to trump which is a key hurdle to cross. >> i think there's something to it. what we saw in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina, in particular, were the early stages of the trump phenomenon that drew evangelicals into the issues. to more economic argument. now that's settled out, the cruz effect is taking hold. they are now going back home to that port. it's a safe place to go back to. i think there's some truth to that. >> the final part is an organization.
he's got no organization. that's been true from the beginning. when you're contesting in states like kansas and maine. people forget, barack obama ran up that delegate lead in places like north and south dakota and iowa. there were small caucuses and primaries that they organized the heck out of. cruz is playing that role this time around. >> he is. the caucuses are killer in this primary process because a lot of folks who don't get the totality of the process and understand this is about delegates, tend to not play their much. those who do, like barack obama did in '08, and cruz is doing now will reap the benefits of that and given that now we're in space where you're going to have a closed primary/caucus period, that's going to work to cruz advantage as well. >> always a pleasure. thank you. >> all right. >> i'm joined by jonathan. i really like this piece you have in new york about why conservatives hate trump.
>> thank you. >> it's quite good saying about 90 million words have been spent on trump in the past six months. you could poke out of that. this is the key line by making race and nationalism the test rather than sub text of republican politics, trump threatens not only the party's agenda but the self-conception of its intellectual class. >> the people who really have been behind the conservative movement for decades have a story they like to tell themselves about how their movement took power in the republican party. it started with goldwater. this omits race from the narrative and it omits any intellectualism from the narrative. i think this is totally false story about how the movement did exercise real power in america.
that's one of the factors in the resentiment they have for this man. >> he said the guy is playing out every liberal character of what they think we are. a secretive meeting at a luxury island. it's like an alex jones article, except it's real. >> that's right. if i can go back to that wall street journal article. william buckley was against racism. he was for segregation and for white supremacy and two decades later he was for apartheid in south africa.
it's not that he makes a mockery of them, he shows what has been happening. >> let me stand up for the good honor of my friends, they are right now putting their money where their mouth is. people are -- they are fighting him. they are coming out against him. they are also taking some sort of risk if the guy is the nominee. if he does end up running the republican party. there's a certain number of people on the other side of that thesis. >> it's important to note that con sefbtive ideas stand on their own.
you don't have to be a racist to be a conservative. these are ideas independent of race. they don't have a constituency that can win without race. you have a lot of people who aren't racist coming up with the ideas but who is supplying the vote? donald trump is answering the question. >> the marco rubio is get rid of capital gain taxes and maybe start new wars in the middle east. there's no one -- no one wants that. no one wants that. no one is choosing that. >> don't these people remember how much they like george w. bush. that's what i don't get. they were really happy with bush until like the last year. >> that's what's so shocking. that has opinion sort of wake up call this election. great piece. thank you. still to come, hillary clinton and bernie sanders erupt at the debate. a look at the strange relations in that democratic contest. marco rubio has won just two, two of the first 20 states.
i know how much she meant not just to president rebegun but to the country as a whole. he was lucky to have her. i'm sure he would be the first to acknowledge that. she will be missed. >> that was president obama earlier today talking about the passing of nancy reagan. funeral plans were announced today. she will lay in repose at the ronald reagan presidential library on wednesday and thursday. private funeral services will be held on friday. she'll be buried next to her husband, the 40th president of the united states ronald reagan. back in a moment.
we're about 12 hours to go before voters go to the poll in michigan. it's appeared to settle into a tense. you consider the delegates are all allocated proportionally. it's difficult for candidate to overcome a big deficit. if we learned anything from voting this past weekend in which sanders won three of the four democratic contests is that the senator from vermont isn't going anywhere. while he may not have a path to
match clinton's delegate total right now, he can continue picking off states here and there and running competitively. the reality and perhaps frustration over a prolonged fight for pledged delegates seem to be on full display at last night's debate. >> you know -- >> excuse me, i'm talking. >> if you're going to talk, tell the whole story. >> let me tell my story. you tell yours. >> do you support fracking? >> i don't support it when any locality or any state is against it. i don't support it when the release of methane or contamination of water is present. >> my answer is a lot shorter. no, i do not support it. one of us has given speeches on wall street for hundreds of thousands of dollars. >> i'll be happy to release anything i have as long as everybody does too. >> i'm your democrat opponent, i
release it. here it is. there ain't nothing. i don't give speeches to wall street. >> joining me now senator gary peters who has endorsed hillary clinton. a lot of talk about the auto bail out. crucially important to your state. i want to play what hillary clinton said about bernie sanders and talk to you about it. take a listen to hillary clinton's comments. >> i'll tell you something else that senator sanders was against. he was against the auto bail out. in january of 2009, president elect obama asked everybody in the congress to vote for the bailout. the money was there and had to be released in order to save the american auto industry and four million jobs. i voted to save the auto industry. he voted against the money that ended up saving the auto industry. i think that is a pretty big difference.
>> that strikes me as technically true by fairly misleading. senator sanders voted for the auto bailout that didn't pass in 2008. the vote in 2009 is for the second if i understands, $350 billion which was not earmarked for the money. it was used by the administration afterwards to sure up some of the financial aspects. is that a fair hit? >> i do think it's fair. we were confronted with a very scary time in our economy as the economy was hemorrhaging hundreds of thousands of jobs. we knew that vote would be important to provide resources to support the auto industry. that was talked about at length at the time. i remember supporting that loan because i knew how important it
was to the auto industry and had secretary clinton and president obama not stepped up for the auto industry it would have been absolutely catastrophic for us in the state. that is a very fair point. i think one that people will take a good hard look at. >> i want to be clear, the total amount authorized was $350 billion. that was the second sum. the first went through before january. the second was put there. the argument of the time was this was essentially a blank check. the total amount that went to detroit, if i'm not mistaken was on the order of 10 or 11 billion dollar? >> it was bigger than that. without those loans, these companies would have collapsed. i remember sitting with the ceo of chrysler and said congressman we need help. the credit markets are frozen. there isn't money available.
if we don't get financing, he told me he was weeks away from liquidating chrysler. that would have been catastrophic to our state. these loans were controversial at the time. thank god folks joined the michigan delegation to make sure we have an auto industry. i can't enough about how important those decisions were. >> bernie sanders has called for the resignation of rick snyder. secretary clinton has also now called for that. do you think the governor of your state should resign? >> it may come to that. we're getting more information coming out with e-mails. all sorts of investigations that are being conducted right now from the inspector general to the fbi to the state attorney general. i'm focused on getting legislation here in the united states senate working with my
partner to get resources for flint and for water structure across the country. that's what i'm focused on this week in particular. we're very close to really moving some very important legislation and not just for flint but for communities all across this country may be facing similar types of investigations. >> that's truly terrifying part is how much is out there. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> joining me now ben jealous, former president of the naacp and bernie sanders supporter. i thought this was an interesting moment last night. talking about racial blind spots. question from don lemon. here is what bernie sanders had to say in response. take a listen. >> i was with some young people in the black lives matter movement. young lady comes up to me and she says you don't understand
what police do in certain black communities. you don't understand the degree to which we are terrorized. when you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto. you don't know what it's like to be poor. you don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car. >> he's taking a little bit of flak for that for the use of the word ghetto. the more interesting sentence is you don't know what it's like to be poor. when you're white you don't know what it's like to be poor. that seems to be the conflation and race and clash for being unable to think of those categories differently. what do you think? >> what i saw was two candidates try to answer one question. one candidate dodged the question. hillary clinton didn't try. she displayed a racial blind spot.
she talked about being inspired by dr. king and seeing him speak when she was 14 and skipped over the fact she campaigned for barry goldwater in between. she also missed an opportunity to come activists who confronted her over her statement that compared poor black children to dogs, part of the whole super predator quote. in the case of bernie you saw somebody try to answer the i'm not ever one to jump on somebody who is trying to answer a tough question about race. i believe we should give a little safe space and people the opportunity to try to answer it.
it's the overreaction when somebody stumbles that discouraged many people from even having an honest conversation. with that said, i'm getting to your question. there's a lot here, chris. with that said, bernie sanders has talked about racial justice and economic justice his entire life. i think it's a stereotype. to forget the fact not only he was with congressman in the early 1960s, he was wasn't on jesse jackson's '88 campaign which is more of a class based campaign, he was on the '84 campaign. >> i agree about the stumbling. this is a moment in which a guy who is, he's represented a
constituency that's overwhelming white for a long time. that's not his fault. that's just is what it is. you took the person who is the bronx borough president, and dropped him into kansas to talk about farms, it would take him a while to adjust. >> look, the kpits polling is a different phenomenon. certainly, bernie's engaging a broader constituency. i think you have seen the black lives matter activists have a real impact and he's embraced them and they have embraced him. he's been the only one to stand up and say in the case of mcdonald in chicago, anybody involved in that cover up should resign which leaves room the mayor. hillary has been taking up for the mayor. what we have seen in the places
where we really campaigned, frankly none of these campaigns have been campaigning in every state. hillary had a head start everywhere because of a dynasty. we won eight out of ten. eight out of ten majority black senate districts with more than 60% of the vote. that speaks to what happened when we campaign. >> thanks for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> i think the goldwater attack on clinton is sort of immaterial. coming up, as two front runners turn their attention to each other, we get a look at what a trump-clinton election might look like. it's not great. that's next.
as of last night, donald trump had received 3.6 million votes, which is a good number. there's only one candidate in either party who has more votes than him, and that's me. i think that donald trump's bigotry, his bullying, his bluster are not going to wear well on the american people. >> clinton made a point about donald trump last night that the president made that american people will tire of his volatility, his veiled, not so
veiled authoritarianism and his crudness. donald trump gave us a preview of what the contest might look like. >> i'm beating her in many polls. i haven't even started yet. only once. only once. four weeks ago she said something about me being sexist right after she said that, i attacked her and bill, and bill. we talked about the word. we came up with the word. a very true word, enabler. you know what that is? you talked about bill. you mean i'm bad but her husband is okay. maybe one of the worst in the history of politics. this was a disaster for them. i guarantee you they had one of the worst weekends of their life.
it's very straightforward. a vote for john kasich or a vote for ted cruz is a vote for donald trump. i'm the only one who has any chance. if you don't want him to be the nominee, you have to vote for marco rubio. >> that's marco rubio imploring voters to vote for him. as campaign received some good news today, a new poll showing him within eight points of trump. among the nearly one in five voters who said they cast early ballots, rubio is beating trump 48% to 23. among those who have said they have yet to vote he trails by 16
points. eight days until the winner take all primary, it's clear that florida would be rubio's last sand. he's in real danger of becoming the former future of the republican party. the candidate ralied around in hopes of setting up a two man race has consistently disappointed on election nights. they celebrated a win in puerto rico on sunday. that leaves him with a win loss record of 2 for 20. campaign said rubio blows away the competition in puerto rico. it's not number of states but it's the delegates. the delegate math doesn't look good. he has half as many as ted cruz and trailing trump by 239. contributing to the delegate casm is he's failed to make the minimum threshold to qualify. the issue may lie more in the
candidate himself and the patch work of donor interest he staked his campaign on. eliminating capital gains taxes and the potential for immigration reform. joining me is political reporter for the washington post. it's too early to write postmortems on marco but when you look at what's happened, this has not been a particularly successful campaign as of yet. what's your theory? >> my theory is precisely is he was a candidate that would have done well in 2012. he's not a good 2016 candidate. they weretsunami and there's no to respond to that. i thought about this class di -- divide.
the campaign has banked on winning upwardly mobile suburban families. it turns out that people who are upwardly mobile are not a majority of the republican primary electorate. most are downwardly mobile or plateauing and really ticked off. >> donald trump does well across the spectrum. he leads everyone across all economic groups and age groups, usually, not always but typically. that's why he keeps coming in first or second in all these different states. >> there's a story today, cnn reported that top advisors telling him to drop out. his people are furious about this, somewhat understandably.
it does seem like it's make or break this florida. >> there's no question it's make or break. the only question is can he win. his campaign is trying to argue it's not make or break. if he doesn't get the 99 delegates, they are 8% of the total you need to become the nominee. if he doesn't get that, it's hard to see where he could make it up. >> this is the problem, after he gets the big contest, the question for me also is, trump now is hitting rubio very hard. there's been so much rooting for marco rubio among certain precincts of the right whether people are understanding why it hasn't been working. >> the question that's raised is do people keep throwing good money after bad on rubio. he hasn't run a good campaign.
>> how can you be the nominee if you're missing the threshold? they're designed to cut off the people. >> then what we saw over the weekend is he's starting to get cannibalized by ted cruz. people who are worried about stopping donald trump are turning their attention to ted cruz. >> thank you for joining me. still to come, can anyone catch donald trump with two major republican contests coming up. can his opponents keep enough delegates out of his reach? a look just ahead. machine based on great skill.
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at this point it comes down to basic math. the biggest republican contests are coming up next week. now, according to calculations by msnbc news, if the next five races follow the pattern so far, trump could get 466 delegates with ted cruz over just 100 delegates behind. if trump wins florida and ohio, he only needs then 52% of the remaining delegates to secure the nomination. if trump wins florida, he'll need 59% of the remaining.
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the point of this is, the math is steeper than i thought it was when you look at it. even if things go the best possible way for trump. >> the delegate role gets more favorable. it's favorable with a candidate who does well with moderates. nancy pelosi's district where it's the same number. i don't think there's a will the of donald trump supporters by it's more than they are ted cruz supporters.
the whole republican nominaing system is weirdly structured to overrate the importance of republicans this blue states. donald trump won 49% of the vote in massachusetts. he'll clean up this places like new york and new jersey. i think 52% looks like a reasonable number to collect assuming he can get the vote. >> if it turns if you get a different outcome next week in florida and ohio, or even if you don't, to me the big take away this weekend is people are strapped in for a while. >> i think we're seeing the candidates shift. trump's message in a state like michigan, tomorrow is kind of similar, if you're talking about trade policy to a democrat message. that's going to be very interesting down the road.
i'm sure you'll have some people who admire, a bunch of my neighbors who shall go nameless with mr. trump. >> it's always mister. >> the idea of take america back, make america great again really appeals to a certain kind of voter who feels a certain kind of way about shifting demographics. isn't it a nice way to put it? >> yeah. >> i think it's way too early to talk about contested. >> the one thing i want to say about delegate math is it doesn't work out to be any less steep for any one else. the thing about the republican nominating contest that i've loved the whole cycle is one of them has to win. >> that's true. it's like when people bet on tiger. i agree that it's like your bet right now is trump or the field. i think the bet on the field isn't so --
>> in every contest the bet on the field gets worse. at tho point were they able to bet on the field. why now that it's a steeper climb we'll get it together. >> here's why. there's a, determination. i think there's a bit of coordination happening. i do think like being, we're going to try to stop this matter. >> they're coordinated in running in a circle. before they were doing on their own. >> it's saving donald trump from whatever trouble he's having there. >> i would agree with that completely. >> it's like this is the way it works. >> when marco rubio at the end of the debate asked after saying never trump and tweeting never trump and says i will support the republican candidate.
>> you could feel the air come out. >> the guy con fronts him. he's like i was saying i would never vote for him in a primary. the guy is like you're running against him. >> that hashtag never trump. >> challenge this assumption if donald trump doesn't get to 1237, he's lost. >> i agree. >> if he's coming into the convention with 46% of the delegates, republicans will be faced with this choice. what's the biggest dis aster. >> i agree. >> i was reading someone running a model of how the rules would work on the democratic side. the democratic side has this built in democratic check called the super delegates who are there for just this occasion. the reason the super delegates is just this case our voters lose their minds. that's really why they're there.
we want to have this pool of votes that we can bring in. that said, it will be the least of his problems. >> he cannot articulate a message to african-americans. i think this clarifying of the comments, which made it worse is a real symbol of just how inapt he is of speaking. >> you think he's inapt? >> maybe that's a little harsh. he struggles for a smart man to articulate he describes african-americans as hanging out on the street corners. he has this vision of like black people in poverty and struggling in the ghetto and even when he's talking about the lawyer who is flagging a cab. the guy is not flagging a cab, he's not going to the ghetto.
he has a very simplistic view of race and when it intersects with economics. it's going to be hugely problematic for him. he can't articulate it well. >> when you answer a question about what your racial blind spots are by presenting them and saying i don't understand what it's like to live in a ghetto and be black and they ask him to clarify. >> let me also say there's something about this whole race which is that these are the two people, these two white people are running to succeed the first black president. there's a lot of racial blind spots up there. >> absolutely. >> that is pretty evident. hillary clinton has performed better with black voters. >> that's because she has a record of engaging with the community in a thoughtful way that he doesn't. every time he's asked about racial relations he talks about poverty. >> i think it's as mump to much
that's it for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts now. thank you for joining us this hour. happy monday. in the presidential election of 1992, george h.w. bush was running for re-election against then democratic governor of arkansas, bill clinton. in that campaign in 1992, there was a late shock in the general election. one month before the general, one month before voters went to the pollination wide to make their decision for president in 1992, another candidate, a third candidate who had previously quit the race got back in. it was nuts. it was october, 1992, a month before the election. ross perot had been in the race as a third party independent candidate earlier in the year but he quit the race in july. he was out of the race and then months later he unquit and got ba