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we started off to 17, we're down to four. of the four, they're pretty much all gone. pretty much. they didn't do so well tonight, folks. i'm not going to say anybody didn't do well. they didn't do well. there's only one person did well tonight, donald trump. i will tell you. it's true. >> let me tell you what some in the media may not know. that is in almost all of the national polls we beat donald trump and we beat him by big numbers.
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[ cheers and applause ] >> you know, if you're running like you're hillary and you're running against one guy, you'res going to be very easy to beat. she's a very flawed candidate. >> now, running for president shouldn't be about delivering insults, it should be delivering results for the american people. [ cheers and applause ] a major upset win for bernie sanders in michigan last night. senator sanders narrowly defeated hillary clinton there 50% to 48%. that's a margin of less than 20,000 votes. >> that's a big win. >> that was the only thing -- not the only thing that happened last night. >> no, the only other contest yesterday on the democratic side was mississippi where secretary clinton won in another landslide in the deep south. 83% to 17%. that massive margin of victory means she walks away from the evening the winner in terms of delegate count at this hour. nbc news is allocating 88
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delegates to clinton and 70 to sanders despite his victory in michigan. >> and while clinton still has an overall delegate lead of over 600, sanders has now won nine states to clinton's 12 so far this election cycle and on the republican side, wow, donald trump claimed victory in three of the four states up for grabs. trump won mississippi's primary where he took 47% of the vote in michigan's primary and early this morning in hawaii's caucus. senator ted cruz claimed a win in idaho's primary with 45% of the vote, trump 17 points behind at 28%. for the night, cruz finishes only 10 delegates behind trump, 58% to 58%. john kasich claimed 16. rubio takes zero. trump expanted his total delegate lead over cruz, now at 456 to cruz's 363. rubio has 153 and kasich has 54.
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they need 1,237 to nominate with another 367 on the line this coming tuesday. >> good morning, it's wednesday, march 9, with us on set in washington we have senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele, a man very glad he doesn't hold that position right now. [ laughter ] the party is going to war. commentator and npr senior analyst cokie roberts. the managing editor of bloomberg politics john heilemann. so do we -- alex, i don't know if we have the actual breakdown state by state of the tallies, i'd like to put those back if so. but, john heilemann, the flash last night when you're looking at the republican side, the two huge stories you can't avoid is trump overperforming. trump winning among evangelicals in mississippi, winning among blue-collar voters, those reagan
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democrats in michigan. the type of coalition would that a republican would dream of in a republican primary, the other story, marco rubio hold single digits, just having an absolutely miserable night but as i looked over the results again this morning driving in i was struck by how solid ted cruz's numbers were in every state. this is a guy who is a bona fide competitor to donald trump who, again, trump had the big night but you look at ted cruz in michigan, he's right behind. he beat john kasich in michigan. he's right there in mississippi. he's right there -- i mean, he wins idaho, he's right there in hawaii. ted cruz -- >> michigan, in fact, they did a one-to-one and cruz won just one-to-one against trump in the exits. >> i mean, you go with every one of those states, ted cruz, again, sort of overlooked last
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night because donald trump was the first headline and marco rubio's collapsed. 5% in mississippi. the second headline. but look at cruz, he's 36% in mississippi, he wins idaho. this really is quickly turning into a two-man race. >> it is. and the question going forward is now we have more contests coming on tuesday so, you know, is it -- if trump gets the next tuesday -- and i hate to skip ahead from last night's results to next week's but that's the question you're asking. >> it's all a that matters now. >> if trump beats kasich in ohio and trump beats rubio in florida. >> it's over. >> then you have a two map race between trump and cruz. trump may have a delegate lead that makes it hard for him to be stopped but it will give cruz what he wants which is a one on one with donald trump and the question cokie raises comes up. people assume the states down the line are state brs trump will dominate because of the kind of breadth of the coalition and states that are not
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necessarily shouldn't be that good for ted cruz. in a one on one race, the michigan results suggest that it's possible that waging an ideological fight against trump from his right could be a fruitful path for ted cruz for some weeks to come. >> even in mississippi where trump won big the people who said it was important to have a candidate share their values, 63% of them went for cruz. so that is -- tells you something about the attitudes to come. >> the problem with cruz is, he's run out of southern states, michael steele. >> that's the problem. >> he's run out of evangelicals dominated and he didn't do as well as he should have. that said, he still did very well. but think about where last night came in terms of donald trump's campaign. he had endured a week of just blistering attacks. mitt romney tearing him to pieces and he turned out one of his most impressive night which is kind of goes back to what mika said when she heard that mitt romney was going out there, you're playing right into donald trump's hands. >> you know, it still amazes me
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how tone deaf those who have been pushing mitt romney out there, those who have been sort of doing the sort of pinscher move on trump, they still don't understand that this is not something that they can control. this is animating from the base. they are supporting this guy for a whole host of reasons. >> look at these key groups. people that were outside the establishment 67% for trump. angry with washington, 58% with trump. moderate or liberal, so much for the reagan coalition, 55% with trump. income under $50,000, 51% for trump. this is not your father's or your grandfather's gop. this is a working class republican party. >> and they appear to love him. so last night -- and i really want to cut to cokie's face after we hear a little bit of trump relishing his victory and also just how much people hate him. it was a press conference or was it sort of like a -- >> it was a home shopping network. >> we'll read from your piece
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about that. but first, here's trump last night. >> i don't think i've ever had so many horrible, horrible things said about me in one week. [ laughter ] $38 million worth of horrible lies, but that's okay. it shows you how brilliant the public. is because they knew they were lies. i think what this shows really more than anything sells that advertising is not has important as confidence. >> oh, cokie. >> well, you showed him actually talking about the campaignment an awful lot of that talk -- which went on forever -- was -- >> for-ever. >> for-ever. >> victim watched it all night. >> here's my trump water, look, look, look. and look at those steaks. take a look at those steaks. and then as he was moving into other states, he'd talk about his properties in each one of
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them. in virginia i have a lot of property. in illinois i own a lot of property. >> i know you're just horrified but i think that weeks. >> cokie, it would have been easier on you if you hadn't watched it on a news channel. if you watched it where i watched it on qvc it would have seemed more natural. >> just try the steak. >> just try the steak. >> the steaks were thick. >> sam stein, i'll get to you. but what you saw last night in that soundbite was donald trump responding to mitt romney's broadside which he could have just stayed home. >> mitt romney definitely helped donald trump. >> joe apparently was up writing at 1:00 a.m. in the morning because his piece number one on the "washington post" web site. you write "trump crushes ronald reagan's republican party. after absorbing a brutal wave of attacks from the gop establish. including a nasty broadside from mitt romney, a thrice-married manhattan billionaire who once loyally supported hillary clinton and who continues to lavish praise on planned parenthood swept to victory
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tuesday night. donald trump easily won the night on a strength of a working-classico ligs that included evangelicals in mississippi and reagan democrats across michigan. these the same working-class voters who feel abandoned by their president, by their government, and by the republican party. bible-toting senator ted cruz should have won mississippi. ohio governor john kasich should have won nearby michigan or come close. senator marco rubio should have finished as a runner-up somewhere, anywhere. instead, rubio and the rest of the gop field were left watching in horror as trump crushes all comers at the polls and then used his victory speech to hawk steaks, wine, and the most fabulous magazines you will ever read. so long to morning in america, say hello to tuesday nights at qvc." >> nice, joe. >> thank you. michael steel, we are actually seeing -- the reason i wrote the column is it struck me
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last night we really are seeing the end of the reagan coalition that began the night. reagan won in 1980 where a candidate says "less spending, less taxes and more freedom." >> and more defense. >> and more defense. and that's been the message. you have a guy now who's talking about tariffs, who's talking about higher taxes for rich people, who's talking about trade wars, who's talking about letting the russians take care of syria, who's talking about backing off of global commitments, america not being the world's 911. and, more importantly, ronald reagan could get enough of the populist voters in. but he teamed that up with the republican establishment, with the gop donor class and with evangelicals, brought them all together and won elections. that's not there with donald trump. >> i think you've hit it. and what i think a lot of folks
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haven't recognized is that we have been in this post-reagan era since reagan left office and this has been the internal underlying struggle within the gop, who are we definitionly? what do we have? what are our values systems? because the establishment class has pretty much played the political game and not attended to answering those questions for a restless base, donald trump comes in and he stands there almost like a joan of arc figure saying "this way." >> she got burned at the stake. >> this is my point. they try to torch him and he's resilient to that. >> he gets out trump hot dogs and cooks them while the fierp is going. >> we're going to show this. >> almost 60% of the people voting in the republican primary in michigan said that they had been abandoned by the republican party. >> this is a result -- >> let me ask a question of michael steele. >> this is a result of the republican party ignoring the
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working-class voters and this shouldn't have been a shock. i read an article after we came to washington in 1994 and was stunned to read that something like 70% of white working class voters making under $30,000 voted for republicans that year. that was in 1994, sam stein. and here's the bottom line -- republicans haven't had an economic policy to speak to those voters in 30 years. unfettered free trade, it is great for the global economy, it's great for wall street, it is great for corporations. it cost the people who we see up in the trump rally, it's done nothing but cost them their jobs, wreck their neighborhoods, ruin their cities. now you can talk about the greater good, okay, we can talk about it's better for everybody else. but in these pockets of despair, whether it's in new hampshire or
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south carolina -- >> of will which there are many. >> and globalization, we've had a downward decline for 30 years on economic fortunes. >> that is the thread that went through last night, not just with the trump victories but with senator sanders' win in michigan where there's in incredible opposition to some of these free trade deals and the prospective future ones being negotiated right now. but i can't help but look at this and wonder -- and maybe you can weigh in on this as the former chairman of the rnc -- isn't this an incredible roll of the dice, though? from a demographic standpoint, donald trump's coalition of voters would have to be historically white-centric in order for him to win. there would have to be something -- >> sam, there aren't enough white voters. >> right. >> there are not enough white voters, this is pure demographics. i'm make nothing political statement here. there aren't enough white voters to elect donald trump unless he gets 35% of the hispanic vote. >> particularly not enough white
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men. and there's a gender gap, too. >> there's also another thing happening in realtime in the republican primary which is because of the intense opposition being generated by some factions within the republican party, you're now witnessing in these exit polls a huge part of his own party saying there's no way under any circumstances they could consider voting for him. the numbers of people who say they would never be satisfied -- >> those numbers change. i can tell you they've changed once before with donald trump, we saw them all last summer, michael steel, the question is, if he locks things down next week, does he make the peace offering? he's already talking to paul ryan. those numbers will change. >> absolutely. >> i will tell you the numbers less likely to change. those are hispanic numbers. if you're a hispanic and didn't vote for mitt romney in 2012, are you going to vote for donald trump in 2016? >> and are you going to get out? you're going to get out. you're going to come vote in order to defeat him in 2016.
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>> there's articles of people who are trying to register for citizenship in order to vote against donald trump. >> look, i totally get and have made the argument around this demographic thing far long time but this goes back to our discussion on the show not that long ago about the map. there are a lot of hispanics in america and they're in relatively small number of states in large numbers so, you know, there's -- you can get huge surge in voter -- hispanic voter turnout in arizona, new mexico, texas. >> colorado. >> but look at the states where this trade argument -- and there is you tie the two races together. >> michigan. >> how did bernie sanders win michigan? he won it by hammering hillary clinton on trade. trade, trade, trade, trade, trade. nafta, cafta, tpp. those are issues where donald trump will be on the right side from the standpoint of white working class voters, independents, some reagan democrats. is he competitive in pennsylvania, not that many hispanic voters, illinois, wisconsin, michigan, indiana.
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those are states -- >> and john in michigan not that many hispanic voters. there are not high concentrat n concentrations. so you're saying if he does well in the industrial midwest with reagan democrats he could? >> i'm saying the math gets scrambled in an interesting way that makes trump not a member of the -- the party of reagan for the last -- has lost five of the last six popular votes. so something has to change in the republican party. some people say, as reince priebus and others did, that the embrace of hispanics was essential. i tend to agree with that. but there is an alternative theory and the alternative theory is you win in the industrial midwest and you open up some of the northeast by competing if white working class voters that democrats have owned. owned. >> or they stay home. >> you mentioned a bunch of states. you didn't mention florida. quinnipiac university's poll gives donald trump a commanding lead over marco rubio in his
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home state. trump is at 45% to rubio's 22%. he dropped six points in this poll since last month. ted cruz has gained six points to 18% and kasich is back at 8%. the polls show 6% of voters remain undecided. 19% of those who named a candidate said they might change their mind. and a new cnn/orc poll out of florida has trump at 40%, rubio at 24%, cruz at 19%, and kasich at 5%. kasich is much more competitive on his home turf in ohio. quinnipiac showing a six-point race between trump and the governor there. >> so heilemann -- >> but florida. >> heilemann, rubio just had the worst night of his political life. this obviously is going to depress support moving forward to florida. does the establishment all of i its money to ted cruz now? does it give up? it wasted a hell of a lot of
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money this week. do they keep doubling down on trump when it doesn't seem to do anything or do they put it over to ted cruz who had a pretty respectable night last night? >> it's the case that most of the money being spent by the anti-trump forces is being spent in florida and ohio now. it hasn't really -- he's been hit with stuff in the national press. >> but look at those numbers. >> i understand that. >> he's trouncing. >> but there's not been a lot of media run against trump in michigan or mississippi. the effort has been on ohio and florida. >> i understand. but look, while those attacks were going in those state, trump is up one, rubio is down six. the question is what do they do over the next seven days? >> i don't think they're going to stop advertising against trump. the question is now does rubio stay in or does rubio get out and if rubio gets out -- the trump forces are not lining behind any one candidate. they're trying to bang up trump. so the question becomes what's the dynamic in florida? in that race, if rubio stays in, how much does his numbers collapse? how much of an opportunity is it for cruz? cruz is now spending time in
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florida. i don't think the establishment is going to rally to cruz but i don't think the establishment is going to stop spending money against trumplt. >> i think i heard chris matthews say last night, richard nixon had a saying, any time you have somebody -- the entire establishment going against x, bet on x because the race is over because they've waited too long. >> they've waited too long. way too long. >> and they've proved that by the fact that they can't find the energy to get behind someone. just hold your nose and support cruz if you're that desperate and serious about taking trump out. >> cruz! i mean, they might hate cruz as much as they hate trump. >> they do. >> but this is their reality, stop the game. >> i don't know, they have to find a new reality. >> you're reinforcing the effort by supporters of trump. >> they have only themselves to blame. >> of course. >> they should have stood up months ago and they didn't. >> they didn't. >> so now here they are. >> so this is playing out just the way it should because they sat on their hands and they thought trump would implode.
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they thought they'd make a mockery of him. they never thought he'd get far. >> do you think rubio stays through the -- because there's a lot of whispering about him leaving. >> marco rubio has a horrible decision to make. >> by cruz. >> yeah, by cruz, exactly. by the way, that e-mail is going out in 30 minutes. he did it again. >> he did it again. >> so think of it, he's got a terrible dilemma, he's underperformed in every state. his home state is just seven days away. do you get out before then? i think if it were closer than these polls suggest he should stay in the race. >> cruz is advertising against rubio in florida. >> he's down so much right now that this is a guy who has always played it safe. his entire political career. i find it hard to believe that he moves all the chips on to a state that he's down 13, 14, 15 points in these latest polls. but i don't know. what do you guys think? >> well, there's so much early
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vote already cast in florida that it's not -- i don't know, you and i engaged in twitter back and forth on this. i don't think he gains anything or saves himself anything by getting out at this point. >> let me tell you, as a po politician, if you lose your home state, you're done. >> it's just running away. >> i can list 100 presidential candidates that did poorly their first time that went on to do much better. marco rubio's young, he's talented, he could grow over the next four to eight years, become a strong candidate. if he gets crushed this first time out, it stays with him forever. >> but he gets crushed because of the early vote already. so it's not like leaving two days before actually saves him. >> no, it is. if you stand in your own home and your own kids come to the door and quick you out and say, you know, "we don't want you here," that's a bad move.
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if rubio leaves, says i'm doing it for the republican party, we have to stop donald trump, i'm getting behind ted cruz, i'm getting behind john kasich, he can go on a high note. this guy is adored. trust me, the republican establishment, the donor class, everyone will defend him, put him on their shoulders and say "marco, you've changed the world. thank you for doing this." >> he didn't lift the hammer. >> even if he didn't lose the hammer. but if he loses and runs in florida, forget 2018. >> is there a plan where he can pick up the phone and says "i want to be your vice presidential running mate?" >> i don't think he can do that. >> it will be too late. >> very quickly. alex will scream at me. >> he's already screaming. >> you have to understand marco rubio. he is everything that donald trump is not as far as demographics go. he was built and masterminded
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specifically to impress the gop donor class. specifically to impress ts the establishment. >> so he's a brand. >> he is the gop establishment's most branded candidate. he's exactly what they want. and that's why he's lost. >> does he have water? >> i don't know if he does whereas trump is the anti-establishment candidate and we found there is no establishment lane in 2016 and marco rubio's your best evidence of that. >> still ahead on "morning joe," donald trump joins us live in our 7:00 hour. plus pulitzer prize winning reporter bob woodward, chuck todd, the "washington post's" robert costa with new reporting on the republican race. first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? a very difficult time in texas, arkansas, louisiana. we dealt with severe weather, tornado, now we're dealing with horrendous rainfall. this was in denton, texas, yesterday. these students had to be rescued. i want to show you video of a
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>> mitt got up -- and he really should haven't done it. it wasn't becoming, honestly. and he talked about the water company. well, there's the water company. we sell water and we have water and it's a very successful -- you know, it's a private little water company and i supply my water. trump steaks. where are the steaks? we have trump steaks. he said the steak company. and we have trump steaks. he said trump magazine is out. i said it is? i thought i read one two days ago. this comes out and it's called the jewel of palm beach and it goes to all of my clubs. i've had it for many years and the magazine is great. anybody want one? here, take one. my club champion. he said trump airline. i sold the airline and i made a great deal. the winery, you see the wine. he mentioned trump vodka. it's the largest winery on the east coast. and trump university, we'll start it up as soon as i win the lawsuit. does that make sense. >> it went on forever. >> oh, my god.
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it went on forever, i was listening. >> at least the camera crews helpfully panned in to trump wine. [ laughter ] >> joining us now, pulitzer prize winning editorial for the "washington post" and msnbc contributor jonathan capehart and in new york nbc news political director and moderator of "meet the press" and host of "mtp daily," chuck todd. looking at that, joe, you were saying before we wasn't to break that marco rubio is everything trump is not in every way. >> the establishment. >> that's why i think two would link up. >> i agree. >> because rubio could give trump that link to the establish. he doesn't have and give him the hispanic vote. >> i think it's perfect. rubio gives trump some hispanic support and trump gives rubio trump water. [ laughter ] >> there you go. he needs a lot of water. >> last night in his press conference trump started talking about how he and rubio have a good relationship. >> uh-huh. >> it was an interesting moment. >> he said "you know, you might not believe this but little marco and i are good friends."
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but he said that about mitt, too. >> chuck todd, we were saying this morning, you look at the big headline, trump is the big winner, rubio is the big loser, then you look closer, ted cruz had a solid night across the board. >> i think he had an okay night and he certainly if he's looking to be the chief challenger to trump, then, yes, he had a good night. but we were just -- mark murray was just crunching the numbers on the delegates. ted cruz -- trump erased whatever gains cruz made over the weekend on delegates. so if you're just looking at a delegate number, we basically went -- after cruz had his weekend where he made progress and netted delegates, donald trump erased that with basically netting the 10 essentially back that cruz got. so i think cruz did fine but until idaho, did any of the challengers -- i look at what happened last night, donald trump had the perfect night
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because kasich finished third, not second, no momentum going into ohio and then, of course, all things marco rubio. two fourths and two-thirds, zero delegates. >> for a while, chuck todd, ben carson was ahead of him in mississippi. [ laughter ] i'm not saying that facetiously. you're a florida guy, i'm a florida guy. you have to ask the question why does he continue on to florida and risk his political career. >> but what do you do? >> and a successful 2018 governor's run. >> but what do you do, joe? he gets out, he hands it to trump. if he gets out right now, it's trump's. there's no scenario because of the early vote -- >> unless he becomes vice president. >> there's no scenario of stopping trump in florida. if that the your goal. i don't know if it's rubio's goal. but the the goal is to stop trump from getting delegates, rubio is your only vehicle in florida.
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>> i don't think that's his goal. >> i disagree with you there. i think ted cruz is actually more of a vehicle now. >> but what about materially vote, joe, that's the problem. there's already a bunch of banked vote. >> the monmouth numbers are suspect at best. they claim he beat trump by 20 percentage votes. that was based by a sample size of 72. [ laughter ] no, i'm serious. they have him tied in north florida with donald trump. i'm from north florida, that's just not the case. i think ted cruz has a much better chance of tearing through north florida than rubio does but it seems to me that -- i don't know. they don't have a lot of choice. >> i think you go down fighting. i think it's worse to quit. you go down fighting. it's worse to quit. >> oh, my gosh, chuck. not in this case. when you go down this game it's very ugly and you're left with permanent markings. >> marco rubio -- >> quitting a week out?
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>> i'm on team chuck? >> he calls trump -- >> rubio is the man in a hurry. he's not going to want to run for senate. he's just not. he's bored already. he's going to want knob the big game. i don't know if trump will do it but he'll make a play for vermont. >> i think it may have happened. john heilman. >> we can argue about what marco rubio should or shouldn't do: at least heading into those congress te contests last night, no one is sayi ining rubio has a mind to dewitt. maybe he'll see how he did last night and change his mind but going into last night, his mind-set according to everybody close to him was i'm going to stake this out and fight through next tuesday. we can argue about whether that's right or wrong, i don't think he's going to get out. >> i'm thinking like a politician. he can run for reelection and win as senator this year, he can
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run for governor in 2018. >> but he's not running. >> he has until june to decide. >> is there any evidence that if he pulls out a miracle in florida it spring boards him? >> no. and that's it. what's the upside? >> that's the upside. >> but he won't be able to. >> but if the allied anti-trump forces believe -- and i think that they do -- the only options are trump is the nominee or not-trump is the nominee. none of these other guys will get to 1237 so the only option is contested convention. if rubio thought he could beat trump in florida and is relying on kasich to beat trump in ho, then mooush rubio is in contentt like everybody else. >> there's only one chance to stop trump, that's a one-on-one between ted cruz and donald trump. if you did that one on one, that's how rubio can sell -- >> there was another big story.
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bernie sanders. >> senator sanders' message on trade and hammering away at nafta, at tpp is resonating. i'm not surprised this resonated in michigan, it sets him up for ohio and illinois and missouri and all those people around the country who look at trade and these trade agreements and free trade very suspiciously. what we're seeing between, i think, donald trump's win last night and bernie sanders' win last night is that americans, whether they're democrats, republicans or independents do not like free trade and they don't like the impact those agreements have had on merck. >> americans think they don't like it t. consumer likes it just fine. >> exactly. >> and in that part of the country. i was in michigan last couple days. i did are afternoon interview with congresswoman dingle.
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i said "how long did it take you to decide you were against tpp." no one believes schick not a free trader. people don't quite believe that she is someone against nafta, against cafta, against tpp in her heart. >> i think unfettered free trade is a big, big loser on both sides of the aisle and probably had a lot to do with this new coalition donald trump is building with working class vote voters. what is next for bernie sanders? they've moved out of the deep south for the most part, does sanders have a shot of hitting this race significantly closer if he starting winning industrial midwest states. >> he could. last night there was a reminder
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of the complicated delegate -- complicated but she netted more delega delegates. a majority in mississippi think trade was bad for jobs, too. it wasn't just michigan. i think it means you have ohio next week. it should mean that in illinois or missouri similar types of potential democrats there could go well for him. look at wisconsin, first week of april. you can see another handful of states he can win. the problem for him is the delegate math. the proportionality is not his friend here. she has a significant lead even when you take out the super delegates and she keeps gaining. that's the problem for sanders. >> all right. >> i just to say this, chuck
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brought up the delegate math last night. your favorite cool eighth grade science teacher steve corkornac said -- before the night began he said, watch this, it's probably going to happen, bernie sanders wins michigan, hillary clinton wins mississippi by a larger margin and she ends up winning the night. your eighth grade science teacher is very intelligent. >> she's winning states, however, that will never go democratic in the general election. and that's a problem for her. >> all right, chuck todd, thank you so much. we'll be watching your town hall tonight with rubio in florida. >> i have to say, timing is everything. >> what? chuck? >> i think it's going to be newsy. it's going to be newsy, buddy. >> no, it's actually -- that's a
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great get and it is. he has a critical test. >> this is a fantastic booking. >> i still say, you know, i've said from the beginning, he will have his time, i always said for a year ago it wasn't his time, but he has a future in this republican party. the question is -- >> he wants it now. >> i know he wants it now. but the question is does he put it off? what is the play to -- >> that's the choice. >> to lose the battle but win the war. >> body language. i'm going to -- body language and his tone today will be interesting. >> okay. i can't wait to see that. chuck, thank you so much, jonathan capehart, thank you as well for being up way too early. still ahead, donald trump joins us live, plus remembering the fifth beatle, sir george martin, "morning joe" is back in a moment. and i didn't get here alone.
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shouldn't have done it, it wasn't becoming, honestly, and he talked about the water company. well, there's the water company. we sell water and we have water and it's a very successful -- you know, it's a private little water company and i supply the water for my places. trump steaks, where are the steaks? we have trump steaks. he said the steak company and we have trump steaks. he said trump magazine is out. >> i said it is? i thought i read one two days ago. this comes out and it's called "the jewel of palm beach." it goes to all of my clubs. i've had it for many years. it's great. anybody want one? here, take one. trump airline. well, i sold the airline and i made a great deal. the winery, you see the wine because he mentioned trump vodka. it's the largest winery on the east coast and trump university we'll start it up as soon as i win the lawsuit. does that make sense? >>. [ laughter ] look at bob. >> never, never, never miss an opportunity to build your brand.
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>> chris cillizza says it's the good wine. >> it's the best wine. i've never had it but i'm certain it's delicious. >> a huge bouquet. >> very earthy. >> never, never, never and laugh at a candidate. never. what a night for trump. >> wow. >> and trump products. donald trump claimed victory in three of four states up for grabs. he took 47% of the vote in michigan's pray mare aimary in caucus. senator ted cruz won in idaho. trump 17 points behind. for the night, cruz finishes only ten delegates behind trump, 68% to 58%. john kasich claimed 16, marco rubio takes zero. >> let's stop there for a second. chris cillizza, donald trump put together a coalition that's a drain for republicans. he won in the deep south. he won in the industrial midwest. he carried evangelicals in
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mississippi. he carried those famed reagan democrats in michigan. >> you saw a couple polls come out yesterday saying he doesn't have as big as a national lead as he does last night and i think people looked last night and said he's going to underperform. >> i'm going to say this. my network, but "wall street journal"/nbc polls, their methodology wildly off. it was wildly off in south carolina, this national poll is wildly off. cnn has trump approaching 49%. i don't know what they're doing. i think they're polling more conservative voters but they were dead wrong in south carolina, they were dead wrong in the national poll. they need to rejigger their numbers. >> in their defense, trump is hard to poll because he's something that we've not seen before in terms of his capacity.
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>> that's not his defense -- >> i don't think he is that hard to poll because they're off from the polls that are actually right. >> there is polling that suggests he's stronger certainly and last night he was -- i know the delegate math was one thing. it's important but donald trump winning the second michigan closed and 30 minutes after mississippi closed and winning convincingly, i remember two months ago we were talking about how the south is going to be for ted cruz. he's won all of those places. we've talked about it many times. if it was anyone other than donald trump and i said to you this candidate has won new hampshire, this candidate has won michigan, south carolina you would say not only that person will be the nominee, that person should be the nominee. >> katie kay, what's happening? >> tell us what you think is going on. >> i think what you wrote in the "washington post" joe gets to
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it. we can't think of this as a republican or a democratic party. this is a working class party. it's the trump protectionist party and it his resonances of the labor party around the time of michael foot where working class voters were being offered something where they were told they'd get a better deal on trade, where bringing down taxes was not particularly relevant and they hadn't seen the growth impact for themselves of a party that has preach it had mantra of tax reduction for the last 20 years. and look at what he's taking away as he did in m i michigan from independents who could have voted democrat. he'll peel those people away. the question is, can bit the party of single white women? he had a big genter gap in michigan and mississippi and that could be his issue. >> and that's what's showing up in the abc poll, for instance. enormous gender gap. >> and the question is are we
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seeing a reshaping of the map as john hielman suggested or are we seeing america's version of the national front which shines for a short while but then in a general election loses badly? >> well, it depends because what could happen is as john was talking about or you start getting those midwest states that don't have that many hispanics and african-americans in them it can make a big difference. but you know we can't leave out race here. it's not just working class, it's white working class and it's white men and one of the things that they are saying is that they feel that they have been basically dised by everything going on in american society. >> cokie, i'm glad you brought that up. >> i have the exit polls. >> jeffrey sachs wrote a book.
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wages for white men working in america have been on decline steadily since 1973. so these voters have seen the promises of tax cuts, they've seen the promises of free trade. >> come and go. >> they've seen the promises of the rising tide lifting all boats and they've seen the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer. >> but they also haven't chosen for one reason or another to go with the times. so you write now where a majority of college students, female. a vast majority of graduate students female. >> i'm not talking about their lifetime choices, i'm talking about their choices at the voting booth. >> but that's why they're being left out. >> but we're talking about the choices they made in the voting booth, not the choices they've made over the past 30 years. >> we're talking about ohio, wisconsin. these are states a general election nominee is he is strong where she is somewhat weak. don't lose that. >> absolutely.
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as. >> and as cokie roberts said, she is strong where she will not win in the fall. >> right. >> and to some extent trade and taxes explains the crossover between trump and sanders. >> exactly. these are people who feel they've been shafted by the economic and political system as it works and they're looking for somebody who will give them a better deal. >> if trump had more self-confidence he might be able to win more. you know what's going to happen. >> i have no idea what's going to happen. >> well, you've been right all along. >> consider all alternatives. somebody has got to think about writing a book in the near future -- >> who might that be? >> that has the titled "all the president's casinos." because maybe it's going to happen. >> people say he made it work for himself, he's going to make it work for me. look at the exit polls that show trump's voters were more
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enthusiastic than other candidates 68% of trump voters said they cast their vote because they strongly favored him. just four in ten of those who cast votes for cruz, kasich or rubio said the same. he did well among michigan voters looking for a candidate who tells it like it is. in michigan and mississippi he did well with voters who want the next president to come from outside the establishment, drawing two-thirds of those voters in both states. trump narrowly beat ted cruz among white evangelicals in mississippi. he was the top voter among white evangelicals -- >> hold on, chris cillizza, how do you explain that? here's a guy -- let me tell you right now. i grew up in a southern baptist church. if a guy -- being non-judgmental. if a guy got up and said i have no reason to be forgiven, we'd be going -- >> he's going straight to hell, that guy is going straight to hell, do not pass go. he's torched. >> the way he talks about religion. the bible is his favorite book, "art of the deal" is the second
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book. >> he says his book is just as good. >> the way he talks about religion -- >> he winning evangelicals. >> that happened in south carolina. >> it's happening everywhere. >> and by the way, for people that don't understand the evangelical church, we believe -- we are saved by grace and grace alone. we are unworthy, we are all sinners. >> joe, they are willing to give him grace. >> and mary and elizabeth. >> this goes against what is at the core of the faith. >> but his belief -- katty touched on this. everyone says "he's so conservative, that's why he's winning." no. >> he's a democrat. >> he's not conservative. >> he's fundamentally non-ideological. yes, he's conservative on immigration, he's protectionist. >> i agree with mika, i think he's a democrat. >> it's all tonal. so on issues he should never, ever win the evangelical vote over cruz who is of the
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movement. >> but you know what? >> and he said last night "cruz stands with his bible." >> stop with your bible. >> it's explainable. i love the evangelical experience and clearly what has happened, these people feel, hey, wait, he'll make my life better and making my life better at this moment is more important than that religious connection. >> because i'm suffering. >> that's the choice they made. there was a stat that came out before south carolina that talked about evangelicals and then working class evangelicals and there were more working class evangelicals and professional evangelicals and what we found was people voted economics before they voted religion. >> you underestimate his aspirational appeal. he's got the steaks and the wine. i can't believe he's doing that. but for a lot of people --
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>> they love that. >> he is success. he succeeded. look at the things named after him. look at his life. >> that's it. >> mika, do you remember the first -- i think it was the first time -- we've been saying from the day he announced that trump could actually win. >> we had a sense of him. >> oh, absolutely. >> and then there was a focus group that halperin and heilemann had about a month later, it was the first time people said, okay, maybe he can do well. and it was mostly blue-collar workers out of new hampshire and mika what were they saying? >> he's one of us. think about that. think about that. >> right, a billionaire from new york is one of us. >> far more flamboyant a life-style than mitt romney, right? >> oh, my gosh. >> but he's one of us. >> so does chris have a more flamboyant -- >> it's a low bar. you don't know what i do, cokie. [ laughter ] >> off the rails. be -- but mitt romney, there was a whole lack of connection. meanwhile donald trump makes the
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connection and i think you told me something recently about the tv viewing habits of most americans. >> i'm reading a book about the death of white america. charles hmurray, right? it's ran extraordina ee it's an extraordinary book. it talks about how disconnected elites in america have become. talking about elites in america watch maybe five hours of television a week, they watch in the binge viewing or watch the hour in or of course "morning joe." talks about the rest of america who watches on average something like 80 hours of television a week. >> good lord. is that possible? >> in that world -- think about this. donald trump has had a hit prime time show n that world for 11 years. >> when they watch.
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>> i will tell you, none of us, i can just say it, we don't know what the majority of americans watch on television every night. we don't know. and nascar is the most popular sport. >> it all makes sense. >> but the people voting in michigan, the people voting in mississippi, the people voting for donald trump, the people showing up to rallies, they're going to see a guy who's been a tv star 11 years. >> so what's he selling? he's got a new version of the american dream that he's selling so what should be our job? we know the rhetoric, we know what he said and the question we've got to ask and press him on, how are you going to do this? i mean, the how in american politics -- >> he has been asked repeatedly by members how on a muds limb ban, how on the wall, how, how, how, how. and he answers and apparently
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that answer is good enough even though he doesn't answer, ever. >> by the way, the muslim ban in all of these states where he has won the republicans going to the polls, two-thirds to three quarters or more want a ban on muslims. >> which speaks to the disconnect. >> for sure. we've got this in because obviously that adds up ultima ultimately to the general. a new "washington post"/abc poll, 32% of republicans now expect hillary clinton would beat trump in the general election. that's up from 21% in january. something we can ask him about. >> so cokie roberts, donald trump's next big play -- about i predict it's coming, as much as i predict he'll say that trump steaks are the most fap louse steaks in the world -- >> i'm ready to try one. >> after next week, after florida, after ohio, after he locks it down you watch, donald trump will begin a charm offensive with the republican
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establishment unlike anything. >> i think he's already started. >> i don't know this from talking to him. i just know from hearing what he said last night about paul ryan. that was olive branch. it's too early to reach out now. i still have some people to brutalize for another week but here's my olive branch, i'm waving it but next week i'm laying down the guns, i'm coming over and we're going to make peace. >> the majority of republican senators have said they would vote for him. >> he'll do that and then he will also start on hillary clinton and he said that last night he said i've just sort of grazed her basically. >> quite a grazing. >> and it's a lot more to go. >> which, by the way, if you want to ignite the republican party, attack hillary clinton. >> chris cillizza, thank you very much. i don't want to hear about your personal life, but thank you. >> blame cokie. [ laughter ] >> how's tottenham going to end up? >> we should have won over the
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weekend. that was concerning. i'm sort of rooting for leicester, too. >> i know, ratings are just plowing into the -- >> that's an extraordinary story. >> more people in the united states should know leicester's story. >> since we started talking about it we lost three forths of our audience. >> you can hear people turning off the television. [ laughter ] >> we're off on english premier football. >> at least you can say it. >> cricket. >> well done. >> katty, stay with us. donald trump joins us next and we'll also bring in the "washington post's" robert a costa. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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$25,000 to be at trump university. mitt romney equals loser. that's true, i lost. you may not have noticed. "who are you, anyway? and by the way, wear where do you buy the shoe polish you wear in your hair?" [ laughter [ laughter ] i buy it at costco in bulk. "i'd pay good money to watch mitt romney crying in a ball pit at a chuck e. cheese." [ laughter and applause ] >> how much? >> yeah, how much, that's the right question. something tells me that cheddar biscuit may have been personal experience doing something like that. [ laughter ] >> that was pretty funny. >> very good. >> joining us now, political reporter for the "washington post" and msnbc political analyst robert costa. good to have you on. >> robert, we've been having a debate this morning. i'm being the safe politician saying marco rubio should get out to preserve either a run for
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senate reelection or be elected governor in 2018 or he could be donald trump's vice presidential pick. if he doesn't lose florida, this is a safe guy, any reporting on which way he's moving right now? >> i've spent the last few hours talking to people in marco rubio's orbit and there's a divide. there those who say if he gets out he president-eleotects his future. he's won late-deciding voters, done well in suburban areas and when it come tots a bigger state like florida even ohio he can have a bigger performance. >> okay. well, joining us now we have republican presidential candidate donald trump. donald trump, congratulations, good to have you on the show this morning. >> a big night, donald, not only for your electoral fortunes but also fabulous branding opportunities. >> trump water, trump steaks. >> we've been talking about it. why did you decide to bring out your products last night?
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>> because i filed a lot of papers. over 100 pages with the federal elections commissions and it talked about what a great company i've built. it's a great company, a massive company, everybody was very impressed with it. otherwise you would have been reading about it and writing about it i can tell you. and when mitt romney got up and said steaks, which we have, wines and all of the different things, i have the largest winery in the east coast and it does tremendous business, the magazine, i have a magazine that's morphed into this magazine that's incredible. >> donald, this is what i don't understand, though. you just got off of a massive electoral victory. you won mississippi, you crushed everybody. >> i know, but i like to set the record straight, joe, i think it's dishonest and i like to -- i sold the airline, what's wrong with selling the airline. >> what's wrong with asking a spokesperson to do that? >> i just want to set the record state. >> there's no reason you have to respond to every attack.
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>> it took me three minutes and i set the record straight. >> hold on, i think it was smart. i think people will like that. donald i have a question -- >> mika thinks it's smart. >> yes. >> we've been talking about marco rubio. you had a great night last night. marco rubio not so much and he has some decisions to make. would you consider him as your running mate? >> well, i don't want to say that now, mika. he has a big decision to make and he should make his own decision. i always liked him and he hit me very, very hard -- >> could you forgive him for hitting you and make him vice president? >> i got along with him great until a few weeks ago when he started playing don rickles. it was very surprising to see. >> would you consider him, though, as a vice president? >> i became very nasty about it and i guess he's really got a decision to make. i know what you're talking about, i don't want to be involved in his decision, his decision is a personal one. >> if he decided to drop out. >> if he called you and said "i
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want to give you florida." >> since you need hispanic voters and the help with republican establishment, could rubio as your vice president be a bridge to that republican establishment? >> well i think this. i think if he runs and loses and, you know, i don't think he would win right now, but if he runs and loses i think he will never be able to do anything very big politically in florida. i don't think he would be considered by anybody as a vice president and i don't think he could ever run for governor or whatever he might want to run for in the future so i think running and losing would be risky. that's his decision. it has to be his decision. >> but i'm asking you if he drops out before losing florida would you consider him, could he be on the list as vice president of yours because he could help outreach to hispanics and help your outreach to the establish. >> sure and he's got talent. i don't want to say that yet, joe, it's not appropriate to talk about it until he makes a
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decision. i have respect for him, he's got great talent and i don't want to say that yet. >> you said sure, we'll take that as a yes. i want to ask you quickly then we'll turn it over to bob woodward. what is your take on mitt romney, the gop donor class, everybody hammering you over the past week. what kind of impact did that have on your results last night, especially in michigan and mississippi? >> well, i have such love for the people of michigan and mississippi because they were hammered with ads like i've never seen before i was in florida at the big golf tournament at doral and every time there was a commercial it was a horrible negative ad on trump. it's incredible people saw through those ads. they are disgusting lies and that's why i brought out the steaks and wins because it was
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all a big lie and all you have to do is go down to the federal elections and look at my financials and the company i built. if i didn't build an incredible company and have the good numbers, the great numbers, i would haven't run, joe. there's no way i could have run. so everyone was shocked. i will tell you this, i have never seen such negative ads. people have said it in your world, in the political world, that in doing this -- i said i've been doing this for 40 years. nobody has ever been hit with ads like trump. they spent $30 million on me over the last less than a week. i just have such respect for the voters. they're smart, they get it. >> bob woodward has a question. bob, take it away. >> thank you, congratulations, quite a run. >> thank you, bob, bob, i still remember when you were up in my office many years ago and that was a great honor, believe me. a long time ago.
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>> carl bernstein and i interviewed you after your book "the art of the deal." >> that's right. >> i want to ask about the wall you're going to get mexico to build. we were talking about this earlier. a number of my colleagues say you haven't answered the question how you're going to do that and you know from business somebody can have a good idea but how are they going to do it? and can you give us some idea? >> sure. okay. first of all, mexico is not going to build it, we're going to build it. it's going to be a serious wall, not a toy like like we have right now where cars and trucks drive over it loaded up with drugs and they sell the drugs in our country and we get the drugs they get the cash and that's not going to happen. >> the reason they're going to pay and the way they'll pay is this, we have a trade deficit now with mexico of $58 billion a
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year the wall is going to cost $10 billion a year. it's going to be a powerful wall. >> but they're a sovereign nation. >> but when you're losing $58 billion a year on trade, negotiation that we give subsidies to mexico. believe me i have all the cards. now, will a politician be able to do it? no, they don't know how to negotiate that's why we have the iran deal where we give them $150 billion and other things but for me that's 100% bob. you can hold me to it and you will hold me to it. >> okay, but how do you get a sovereign nation that says they don't want to pay to pay? >> very simple, there are five different ways you can do it. you can do it through not giving them the subsidy we pay them. we pay mexico a subsidy, i don't know if you know. the whole thing is ridiculous. we're paying everybody subsidy. we have a small portion of china where they get a subsidy from us because they haven't ended it for years.
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>> just suppose they won't do it. would you -- >> we pay a subsidy. money coming over the border, they're -- there are so many ways that mexico makes money with us, bob, there are so many different ways, five in particular, that we will take it out of there. >> i'm sorry to press on this, but how would you grab that money? if they say no, would you be willing to go to war to make sure we get the money to pay for this wall? >> trust me, bob, when i rejuvenate our military, mexico won't be playing with us with war, that i can tell you. mexico isn't playing with us with war. look, i have great relationships with the mexican people i'm winning every single poll in these primaries when they go out, when the polls come back with with hispanics. i have thousands of hispanics that work for me and tens of thousands that have worked for me over the years. i will tell you that the problem our country has is that our leaders have so weak, we have so
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many ways of getting the money to build the wall. >> we will give them less. we will give them less. we will tax them coming in. we will tax money going out to mexico. there are so many different ways, bob, your head will spin. >> your head's gonna spin. >> i tell you what we're going to do, bob is going to come back to your office and give you that great honor. he's going to want to follow up with more questions but we have other people around the table who want to ask questions about last night. will you go to donald's office? >> he will have me? >> of course donald will have you. it's a great honor. >> he's the most accessible candidate. >> katty kay next. >> mr. trump, congratulations on last night. i wanted to ask you about what seems to be a growing gap between the number of men and women voting for you. last night in michigan and mississippi it looks like you had 15% less women than men. what will you do to try to close that gap? do you think that somehow your own over the last few days, some of the things you've talked
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about may have put some women voters off? >> i do. i think that i've had to be very tough over the last period of a number of months. i've had 17 people total and they've come at me very vicious ry we started off with 17 and now we're down to four and probably less than that. i was being hit from every single angle and viciously. when you look at marco, when you look at ted cruz the way he spoke. and in order to be victorious, frankly, i had to be tough and i had to be sharp and smart and nasty and i can see women not necessarily liking the tobe but i also had to get to the finish line and i didn't have that tone i wouldn't be talking to you this morning i guarantee you that, i would have been sitting home with lindsey graham watching television. [ laughter ] so they were very, very nasty to me. a lot of people were very, very harsh and i had to be harsh in order to win back, i can see
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women not liking that. that will change once this is over. >> bob costa? when you mentioned last night, mr. trump, a conversation with speaker ryan, who talked about in the a positive way. if if you were to win the nomination, how much would you embrace the house republican agenda? specifically with regard to ryan's push on poverty reform, social security and medicare reform? >> well, i'd be talking to him. again, i don't agree with them on all of these things and i certainly don't agree on the border because i'm much stronger on the border than they are and they have a different feeling as to what should take place on the border. we will talk about everything, i'm a flexible person. that's one of the things, ted cruz will stand up and i call him lying ted because i've never seen any human being in my life that lies like ted and he holds the bible up, puts the bible down and then lies. ted cruz will say "i negotiate. trump negotiates." that's what you're supposed to do. you're supposed to gather people
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around and make great deals. i want to make great deals for my side of the equation. you have washington in total gridlock so i will -- i have a lot of respect for paul ryan and i like him very much and the fact that he calmed me a few days ago, we had a great conversation, appreciated that ca call. it was a smart call. we have something and this is maybe the biggest part of the picture. we're something being talked about all over the world. one of the biggest political stories. the republican party millions and millions of people are coming out to vote in these primaries that have never voted before. they tell me mr. trump i've never voted before. 60-year-old 50-year-old people shaking my hand saying i've never voted before, you're the first time i've ever voted. if the republican party unites,
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if we can gather around instead of the stupid ads they're spending $30 million on them. if the republican party unites we will beat -- we can't lose to anyone. we will beat hillary clinton so easily. we'll win michigan. we'll win new york. we'll win places that they could have never even discussed. we'll win pennsylvania and iowa and florida and all the standards you have to win in order to get to. but we'll add many states to that list. >> very good, donald. here's cokie roberts. >> mr. trump, there have been incidents -- >> hi, cokie. >> hi, mr. trump. there have been incidents of children, white children, pointing to their darker skinned classmates and saying "you'll be deported when donald trump is president." there have been incidents of white kids at basketball games holding up signs to teams which have hispanic kids on them saying "we're going to build a wall to keep you out." are you proud of that? is that something you've done in american political and social discourse that you're proud of?
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>> well, i think your question is a very nasty question. and i'm not proud of it because i didn't even hear of it. and i don't like it at all when i hear about it. >> it's been reported in many newspapers. >> i'm not proud of it at all and that's not the purpose of it. we want to make america great again. we want to bring back industry and jobs from china and japan and mexico which has taken so many of our jobs. i have not heard about these incidences. >> when you talk about deporting people and talk about building a wall and banning muslims. >> i talk about deporting people that are here illegally. and i also talk about people coming in. >> does it have an affect on the whole discourse? >> i talk about deporting people here illegally. >> but what about the affect on children? >> cokie, i also talk about building a wall and often times
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i'll say "and it's going to be a big beautiful door in that wall and people can come into our country because we want people to come in. >> but what about the children, mr. trump? what about what the children are hearing from you and how they are responding to it? >> well, i think people are responding very positively. >> children, i asked. >> i think the messages are very positive. you know, make america great again is a very positive message, not a negative message. >> unless you think america's great already. and a lot of people think america -- >> i think america is very, very troubled. i think we're being laughed at all over the world. i think if you look at our military, we can't beat isis, general george patton, general doug last macarthur are spinning in their grave, cokie. we can't beat isis, okay? i think our veterans are not taken care of, they're treated worse than illegal immigrants, you want to talk about a problem. >> you've had a good many veterans against you. >> we're doing horribly with education and yet we're number
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one in cost per pupil. i think we have a lot of problems. obamacare is a disaster, it has to be repealed and replaced. it's a disaster. obamacare has not worked. it's going to die of its own volition but it's better if it gets terminated. you say america's great right now. america is a very troubled, a very, very troubled nation right now, cokie and we -- on top of it all, we owe $19 trillion. >> all right, we're being told that you've got to go to a follow-up interview, cokie roberts may want to come to your office and interview you more. let me ask you in closing, donald, obviously all eyes are on florida and ohio over the next seven days. what are your plans and what do you project wins in both of those winner take all states? >> well, i think we'll do well. i'm in florida now. it's my second home. i have tremendous -- i have thousands of employees in florida and it's a great state
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and i think i'll do great in ohio like wise i've lived in ohio for a couple seasons and it's a fantastic place where i have so many friends and they're enthused and excited. paul o'neal, the great yankee last night, was at the meeting, he stood up and endorsed me and having paul o'neal endorse me, he was such a solid guy, such a great ball player. i think -- he's from ohio. i think we'll do great in ohio. >> donald trump, last night's winner. >> thank you so much for being with us. thank you for coming on and actually answering our questions with, allowing us to ask questions. and not being afraid. >> being accessible. >> as most candidates are, we appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you, thank you very much. >> so bob woodward, you asked the question you wanted to ask, you had several follow-ups. are you satisfied you got the answer you wanted. >> no, of course.
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he has not given an answer and i think -- i mean, hopefully bob costa will come with me when we go talk to him and what we want to address, how are you going to do these things? if anyone knows that the how is important important, it's somebody like trump who's been in business. you can have great ideas. they go nowhere if you do not execute and hopefully we can ask. >> that's what they're trying to figure out. he's hired session's aid steven miller to help on immigration. another thing i wanted to ask is governor christie, how is he going to helped a policy depth to the campaign. >> again, you have to remember you didn't get the answer you wanted, i don't think you did, either. i'm not sure it's about us, though. >> but it's still important to raise the question. >> no doubt. you have to raise the questions and we've all raised the
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questions and we all have to keep raising the questions and one day we may get an answer. we did find out today that when pressed, when pushed on whether rubio could possibly be a vice presidential candidate he said sure. >> there was a slight opening there. >> sure, he's a very talented man. >> and thanks for letting us try. >> no, no, listen that's why we're here. >> cokie roberts, thank you all. more "morning joe" in just a moment. at mfs investment management,
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i want to congratulate you, david ignatius, to not have the same honor bestowed on you where donald trump mentioned his name and richard haass has to explain that he was not running donald trump's foreign policy team. foreign policy is your bailiwick but you've seen a lot from donald trump. you've been talking about it with us for a long time. there is a working class revolt inside the republican party. the establishment has lost control of reagan's party. >> the trump rage is real, it keeps growing, focusing on trade issues and cultural issues. >> are we seeing the same thing in europe? >> i think we are. i think europeans are frightened about an influx of migrants. they see wars unending at their borders. there's a lot of similarity. i would note one thing about the republican party right now. with rubio's decline there is no
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republican left in the field who has the traditional gop line on defense. >> there is no establishment lane. >> there's no establishment lane and in terms is he for a safe zone. does he want more u.s. troops in there training, coaching the arabic forces who are on the ground in syria and iraq. i mean, specifically what does he want. we understand of course there
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will be bombing, that goes without saying. more than that, what does he actually propose. so we have never seen a serious proposal from him. on a lot of foreign policies it's the same thing. earlier you were talking about mexico and building the wall. again, it takes two to tango. yes, we are the united states and we are a large power but we have to do it with other countries. i think this populus strain is very negative and based on fear. unfortunately, we have sort of an overall climate of fear and divisions within europe and also some strachins in our relationsp with europe. we netd a candidate and bunch of candidates with real prescriptions. >> david, a point just now, you're not going to get that because that train has left. there are no more candidates left who will bring that part to the table. here is the new reality. trump is setting the stage. you're beginning to see members
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tell you. >> let me tell you what some of the media may not know is that is in almost all of the national polls we beat donald trump and we beat him by good numbers. >> if you're running like you're hillary and you're running against one guy, i mean, you're running against bernie. hillary ace going to be very easy to beat. she's a very flawed candidate. >> now running for president shouldn't be about delivering insults, it should be about delivering results for the american people! >> major upset win for bernie sanders in michigan last night. senator sanders narrowly defeated hillary clinton there, 50% to 48. that's a margin of less than 20,000 votes. >> that is a big win. >> that was the only thing that -- not the only thing that happened last night. >> no. no. the only other contest yesterday in the democratic side was mississippi where secretary
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clinton won in another landslide in the deep south. 83 to 17%. massive margin of victory means she walks away from the evening the winner in terms of delegate count. at this hour nbc news is allocating 88 delegates to clinton and 70 to sanders despite his victory in michigan. >> and while clinton still has an overall delegate lead of over 600, sanders has now won nine states to clinton's 12 so far this election cycle and on the republican side, wow, donald trump claimed victory in three of the four states up for grabs. trump won mississippi's primary where he took 47% of the vote in michigan's primary and early this morning in hawaii's caucus. senator ted cruz claimed a win in idaho's primary and trump was 17% behind at 28%. for the night ted cruz finishes
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10 delegates behind. marco rubio takes zero. trump expanded his total delegate lead at 456 to cruz's 363. rubio has 153 and kasich has 54. they need 1,237 to nominate with another 367 on the line this coming tuesday. >> good morning. it's wednesday, march 9th. with us in washington we have senior political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post", sam stein. msnbc reporter, and the party is going to war. commentator and npr senior analyst kokie robinson. alex, i don't know if we have an actual breakdown state by state of the tallies. if so, i would like to put those
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back. john heilman, the flash last night when you're looking at the republican side, the two huge stories you can't avoid is trump over performing. trump winning among evangelicals in mississippi, winning among blue collar voters, the reagan democrats in michigan. the type of coalition that a republican would dream of in a republican party. the other story, marco rubio held to single digits having an absolutely miserable night but as i looked over the results again this morning driving in, i was struck by how solid ted cruz's numbers were in every state. this is a guy that's a bona fide competitor to trump who, again, trump had the big night. but you look at ted cruz in michigan, he's right behind. he beat john kasich in michigan. he's right there in mississippi. he's right there -- i mean, he's -- he wins idaho.
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he's right there in hawaii. ted cruz -- >> michigan, in fact, they did a one to one and cruz won just one to one against trump in the exits. >> i mean, you go and everyone of those states. again, sort of overlooked. trump was the headline and marco rubio's collapse, 5% in mississippi. cruz 36% in mississippi. this is quickly turning into a two-man race. >> it is. the question going forward, right, is now we have more contests coming up tuesday. you know, is it -- if trump gets to next tuesday, i hate to skip ahead from last night's results to next week's, but that's the question you're asking. >> it's all that matters now. >> if trump beats kasich in ohio and rubio in florida. >> it's over. >> then you have a two-man race between trump and cruz. trump may have a delegate lead at that point that makes it hard
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for him to stop, hard to be stopped, but it will give cruz what he wants, which is a one on one with donald trump. then the question kokie raises. a lot of people assume down the line are states where trump will dominate because of the breadth of the coalition that you talked about and states that shouldn't be that good for ted cruz, but in a one on one race the michigan results suggest that it's possible that wagging ideological fight against trump fro his right could be a fruitful path for ted cruz. >> even in mississippi where trump won big, the people who said it was important to have a candidate share their values, 63% of them went for cruz. >> right. >> so that tells you something about the -- what's to come. >> the problem for ted cruz, he's run out of southern states and he's run out of evangelicals dominating. that being said, he still did very well. think about where last night
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came in terms of donald trump's campaign. he had endured a week of just blistering attacks. mitt romney tearing him to pieces and he turned out one of his best nights which turns out to what mika said when mitt romney was going out there, you're playing right to donald trump's hand. >> it still amazes me how tone deaf those who have been pushing mitt romney out there, those who have been sort of doing the sort of move on donald trump. they still don't understand that this is not something that they can control. this is animating from the base. they are supporting this guy for a whole host of reasons. >> look at these key groups. people that were outside the establishment, 67% for trump. angry with washington, 58% with trump. moderate or liberal, so much for the reagan coalition, 55% with trump. income, under 50,000, 51% for trump. this is not your father's or
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your grandfather's gop. this is a working class republican party. >> and they appear to love him. so last night, and i really want to cut to kokie's face, a little bit of trump relishing his victory and just how much people hate him. it was a press conference. >> or home shopping network. >> first, here's trump last night. >> i don't think i've ever had so many horrible, horrible things said about me in one week. $38 million worth of horrible lies, but that's okay. it shows you how brilliant the public is because they knew they were lies. i think what this shows really more than anything else is advertising is not as important. it really isn't as important as competence. >> now, kokie. >> well, you showed him actually talking about the campaign. an awful lot of that talk which
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went on forever was rchltsz forever. >> forever. >> here's my trump water. look, look, look. and look at those steaks. take a look at those steaks. and then as he was moving into other states to come up he would talk about his properties in each one of them. you know, in virginia i have a lot of property. in illinois i own a lot of property. >> cokie, it would have been easier if you hadn't been watching it on a news channel. if you were watching it where i was watching it on qvc -- >> surprise. >> and, sam, i'm going to get to you. what you saw last night in that sound bite was donald trump responding to mitt romney's attacks which he could have stayed home. >> mitt romney definitely helped donald trump. >> joe was apparently up writing at 1:00 in the morning because his piece, number one on the
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washington post website you write, trump crushes ronald regan's republican party after absorbing a brutal wave of attacks from the gop establishment including a nasty broad side from mitt romney. he once loyally supported hillary clinton and who continues to lavish praise on planned parenthood swept to victory tuesday night. donald trump easily won the night on a strength of the working class coalition that included evangelicals in mississippi and reagan democrats across michigan. these are the same working class voters who feel abandoned by their president, by their government and by the republican party. bible toting senator ted cruz should have won mississippi. ohio governor john kasich should have won nearby michigan or come close. senator marco rubio should have finished as a runner up somewhere, anywhere. instead, rubio and the rest of the gop field were left watching in horror as trump crushed all comers at the polls and then
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used his victory speech to hawk steaks, wine, and the most fabulous magazines you will ever read. so long to morning in america. say hello to tuesday nights at qvc. >> nice, joe. >> thank you. it really is. we are actually seeing and it's the reason i wrote the column is it struck me last night, we really are seeing the end of the reagan coalition where a candidate goes out and says, less spending, less taxes -- >> that's right. >> -- and more freedom. >> and more defense. >> and more defense. that's been the message. you have a guy now who's talking about, you know, tariffs, who's talking about higher taxes for rich people, who's talking about trade wars, who's talking about letting the russians take care of syria, who's talking about backing off of global commitmen
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commitments, america not being the world's 911. more importantly, ronald regan could get enough of the populus voters in. he teemed that up with the republican establishment, with the gop donor class and with evangelicals, brought them altogether and won elections. that's not there with donald trump. >> interesting you say that. and what i think a lot of folks haven't recognized is that we have been in this post reagan era since reagan left office and this has been the internal underlying struggle within the gop. who are we definitionly? what do we believe? what are our value systems? because the establishment class is pretty much played the political game and not attended to answering those questions for a restless base -- >> yeah. >> -- donald trump comes in and he stands there almost like a joan of arc figure saying this way. >> she got burned at the stake. >> this is my point. they try to torch him and he's resilient to that. >> he gets out trump hot dogs
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and -- while the fire is going. >> your point. >> almost 60% of the people voting in the republican primary in michigan said that they had been abandoned by the republican party. >> that's right. >> full resolve. this is the result of the republican party ignoring their working class voters and this shouldn't have been a shook. i read an article, we came to washington in 1994 and was stunned to read that something like 70% of white working class voters making under $30,000 voted for republicans. that was in 1994, sam stein. here's the bottom line. >> sure. >> republicans haven't had an economic policy to speak to those voters in 30 years. >> yeah. >> unfettered free trade, it is great for the global economy, it is great for wall street, it is great for corporations.
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it costs the people up in the trump rally, it's done nothing but cost their jobs, wrecked their neighborhoods, ruin their cities. now you can talk about the greater good. okay, we can talk about it's better for everybody else, but in these pockets of despair, whether it's in new hampshire or south carolina, textile mills. >> of which there are many. >> and globalization, we've had a downward decline for 30 years of economic fortune. still ahead on "morning joe," chuck todd joins the conversation. will marco rubio get swamped in his home state of florida if he decides to stay in the race. and if he does stay in, will it affect his future in the party. but first, bill karins with a check on some extreme weather out there, bill. >> joe, if it wasn't for all of the active politics going on, this weather would be a big story. texas got hit hard. we had a tornado that did damage. we had wind damage along with flash flooding. these are the pictures from the stevenville, texas, area, where
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it was a confirmed tornado that went through. look at the wind pictures. everything blowing around. 60 to 70 mile per hour winds. dallas yesterday morning. lets tea bring you what we're dealing with now. these thunderstorms have sat overnight over southern arkansas, northern louisiana and eastern texas all night long. they have numerous flash flood warnings from shreveport just outside of waco all the way to texarkana. roads are closed, schools are closed, nursing homes being evacuated in the area. water rescues are being done by the fish and wildlife agencies and the fire department going door to door getting people out of their homes as the water continues to rise 236789 million people out of the flood watches from st. louis to houston. we'll pick up an additional half a foot of rain on top of what we've already received with more rounds of thunderstorms later on today. this area from arkansas through louisiana by far the worst of it.
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rick got up and he really shouldn't have done it. it wasn't -- it wasn't becoming honestly. he talked about the water company. there's the water company. i mean, we sell water and we have water and it's a very successful -- you know, it's a private little water company and i supply the water for all my
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places. trump steaks. where are the steaks. we have trump steaks. he you said trump steaks. trump magazine is out. it is? i thought i read one two days ago. this comes out and it's called the jewel of palm beach. it goes to all of my clubs. i've had it for many years and it's -- the magazine is great. anybody want one, here, take one. my club champion. trump airline. well, i sold the airline and i actually made a great deal. by the way, the winery. you see the wine. he mentioned trump vodka. it's the largest winery on the east coast. trump university, we're going to start it up as soon as i win the lawsuit. does that make sense. >> oh, my god, it went on forever. >> at least the camera crews helpfully zoned in on the wine. >> jonathan capehart and in new york moderator of "meet the press" and host of mtp daily chuck todd. looking at that, joe, it makes me think you were saying that
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marco rubio is everything that trump is not in every way. >> the establishment. >> that's exactly why i think the two would link up. >> i agree. >> rubio could give trump that link to the establishment he doesn't have. >> i think it's perfect. trump gives rubio trump water. >> steaks. >> it is the case that last night in his press conference trump suddenly started talking about how he and rubio had a good relationship. >> interesting moment. >> he said, you know, you might not believe this, but little marco and i are good friends. we actually get along well. >> he said that about mitt, too. >> chuck todd, quite a night. a lot to sort through. we were saying earlier this morning you look at the big headline, trump's the big winner. >> reporter: yeah. >> rubio's the big loser. then you look closer, ted cruz had a really solid night across the board. >> reporter: i think he had an okay night. if he's looking to be the chief challenger to trump, yes, he had
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a good night. mark murray was just crunching the numbers on the delegates. ted cruz -- donald trump erased whatever gains cruz made over the weekend on delegates. so if you're just looking at a delegate number, we basically went after cruz had his weekend where he made progress and netted delegates, donald trump erased that with netting the ten back. look, i think cruz did fine but until idaho -- i looked at what happened last night. donald trump had the perfect night. kasich finished third not second. all things marco rubio. 2/4 and 2/3, i think zero delegates. >> for a while ben carson was ahead of him in mississippi. >> yes. >> no, i'm not saying that
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facetiously. things are going so badly for him right now. you're a florida guy. i'm a florida guy. >> yeah. >> you just have to ask the question, why does he continue on to florida and risk his political career. >> what do you do? >> and a successful 2018 governor's spot? >> what do you do, joe? if he gets out, he hands it to trump. if he gets out right now, it's trump's. there is no scenario because of the early vote, there is no scenario of stopping trump in florida. if that is your goal, i'm not saying -- i don't know if it's marco rubio's goal, but if the goal is to -- to -- to stop trump from getting delegates, rubio's your only vehicle in florida. >> i don't think that's his goal. >> i disagree with you there. i think ted cruz is actually more of a vehicle now. marco rubio is -- >> what about the early vote, joe? that's the problem. there's already a bunch of banked votes. >> the monmouth numbers are suspect at best. they claim he beat trump by 20
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percentage points in early votes. >> probably not that big. >> based on a sample size of 72. i also -- i'm serious. they also have him tied in north florida with donald trump. i'm from north florida. that's not the case. i think ted cruz has a much better chance of tearing through florida than rubio does but it seems to me that -- i don't know. >> i think you go down fighting. i think it's worse to quit. >> oh. >> i think you go down fighting. worse to quit. >> chuck, not in this game because when you go down in this game it's very ugly and you're left with permanent markings. >> marco rubio quitting a week out? >> how about this. how about he calls trump dv marco rubio's a man in a hurry. he's not going to want to run for senate. he's just not. he's bored already. he wants to be -- he's going to want to be in the big game. he's going to -- i don't know if trump will do it but he'll make
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a play. >> make a play for vice president. >> i'll give you florida. >> let me just -- i i think it may have already happened. >> john heilman. >> here's the reality. we can all argue about what marco rubio should or shouldn't do. at least heading into this last night, there's no way around rubio saying he's of any mind to quit. maybe he'll wake up and look at the numbers, see how he did, say, you know what, change his mind. going into last night his mind set according to everybody close to him, i'm going to stick this out, fight through next tuesday. we can argue. i don't think he's going to get out. >> i'm thinking too much like a politician. you live to fight another day. he can run for re-election and win as senator. he can run for governor in 2018. >> but he's not running. >> if there's any evidence that if he were to pull out a miracle in florida that it would spring board him? >> no, it won't. that's the bigger problem. what's the up side other than stopping donald trump. >> that is the up side. that's the argument and i think
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the argument -- >> he's not going to be able to. >> yeah, but if the allied anti-trump forces believe, and i think they now do, the only options are trump is the nominee or trump is not the nominee. nobody else is going to get 1237. the only other option is a contested election. there's a scenario trump doesn't get to majority. then rubio's in contention like everybody else. >> right now there's only one chance to stop trump, that's a one on one between ted cruz and donald trump. >> okay. so if there was -- >> if you bet one on one, that's how rubio can -- >> another big story last night, jonathan capehart on the big side. what happened in michigan? >> trades. senator sanders' message on trade and hammering away at nafta, at tpp is resonating. i'm not surprised that it's resonating. it sets him up for ohio,
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illinois, missouri and all of those people around the country that look at trade and the trade agreements and free trade. what we're seeing between i think donald trump's win last night and bernie sanders' win last night is that americans, whether they're democrat, republican or independents, free trade. they don't like the impact they've had on the american work force. >> americans think they don't like it. the consumer likes it just fine. >> big distinction. exactly. >> in that part of the country, one of the things that's interesting. i was in michigan the last couple of days. she said, yeah, no one believes hillary clinton is not a free trader. >> the argument that sanders is making -- >> i hope she's not. >> -- is cutting because people
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don't quite believe she is someone who's against nafta, against cafta in her heart. >> chuck todd, unfettered free trade a big, big loser last night on both sides of the aisle. probably had a lot to do with this new coalition that donald trump is building with working class voters. i wanted to ask you what's next for hillary clinton and bernie sanders. they've moved out of the deep south for the most part. >> right. >> does sanders have a shot of getting this race significantly closer if he starts winning industrial midwest states? >> last night showed how rough the delegate maps can be. she netted more delegates than he did. why? because of her blowout in mississippi. by the way, a majority in mississippi think trade was bad for jobs, too, on the republican side of the aisle.
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it wasn't just michigan. so this is spreading. look, i think now it means you have ohio next week. if sanders wants to continue this march, he needs to win ohio there. it should mean that in illinois or missouri, similar types of potential democrats there could do well for him. look at which is could be sisco. you can see another handful of states he can win. the problem is the delegate map. the proportionality at this is not his friend here. she has a significant lead even when you take out the super delegates and she keeps gaining. that's the problem for sanders. coming up on "morning joe," who can explain how bernie sanders defied the polls last night? if anyone can, hopefully it's michigander -- is that a word? >> it is now. >> and andrea mitchell when we come back.
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. we've been talking about marco rubio. you had a great night last night. marco rubio not so much. he has some decisions to make. would you ever consider him as your running mate? >> well, i don't want to say that now, mika. he has a big decision to make and he should make his own decision. i always liked him and then he really hit me very, very hard.
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>> could you forgive him. >> but i will tell you i got along with him great until a few weeks ago when he started playing don rickles. it was very surprising to see. and he was out of character. >> would you have chosen him as vice president. >> i became very nasty about it. i guess he's really got a decision to make. i know what you're talking about. i don't want to be involved in his decision. his decision is a personal one. >> if he decided to drop out -- >> he called you and said, i want to give you florida. >> since you need help with the republican establishment, could marco rubio as your vice president be a bridge to that republican establishment? >> well, i think this. i think if he runs and loses and, you know, i don't think he would win right now, but if he runs and loses i think he will never be able to do anything very big politically in florida. i certainly don't think he would be considered by anybody as a vice president. i don't think he could ever run for governor or whatever he might want to run for in the
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future. so i think running and losing would be risky, but, again, that's his decision. i think it has to be his decision. >> but if he drops out now? >> if he drops out before losing florida, would you consider him? could he possibly be on a list as a vice president of yours because he could help outreach to hispanics and help your outreach to the establishment? >> sure. sure. and he's got a lot of talent. i just don't want to say that yet, joe. it's just not appropriate to talk about it until he makes a decision. i have respect for him. he's got great talent. i don't want to say that. >> when you said sure, we will take that as a yes. >> great moment. >> yeah, right in the moment last night. exactly. that's part of our wide ranging discussion with donald trump earlier this morning talking about how he could possibly see his way clear to consider marco rubio as his vice presidential pick. with us to talk about it. nbc news affairs correspondent andrea mitchell. senior political columnist for the national journal, ron
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forurnir and david ignatius. i have to go to you. you wrote some very nasty columns about donald trump -- >> i like to call them accurate, thank you. >> then you with ent be to michigan and then you focused your nasty columns a bit more on trump, the man, but talked about how he was actually doing some good things shaking up the political system with the people that you saw in michigan. last night michigan spoke. >> yeah. to be clear, i think we need to start talking a little bit less about whether donald trump could become president because breaking news, he could. and more about whether he should become president and start looking at what he does, like last night to the prism of how would this guy lead or even the interviews today on the show, a guy who wouldn't answer bob woodward's question. he was very vacuous on policy, very disingenuous, obviously very allergic to accountability. to give the devil his due he is
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changing politics and disrupting the system. >> again, catch up. you said we should. our job is to talk about whether he should. the voters don't really give a damn what you and i think. if they did give a damn. >> it's not my job to tell voters how to vote but it is my job as a journalist to say look what he did yesterday. this is the impact i think it will have on the campaign, the horse race. >> right. >> in my opinion, here's what we think, here's what we know this says about how he'll campaign. if his interviews -- if in the news conference yesterday just about everything he said -- >> right. >> -- had a -- was deceptive or not truthful, what does it tell us about the kind of president he'll be. when he's got thugs kicking reporters and knocking reporters down, what does that say about
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the kind of leader he will be. >> andrea mitchell, i noticed this past week especially the last three days, every third tweet in my time line of 400 influencers had something to do with donald trump and the lie that donald trump told or thuggish rude act that donald trump, his staff committed. you name it. every third one. the gop spending millions and millions of dollars attacking him. mitt romney coming out eviscerating him in a press conference that we all trumpeted as something significant. why is none of that sinking through to voters in michigan, in mississippi, in massachusetts, in south carolina. >> and even new voters as well. >> new voters. >> these are people who have not been involved in the political process but have a disgust for the commentariat, for us, for the larger we, for politics. i think it goes back to gridlock
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on all sides in washington and the fact that nothing gets done. how can marco rubio not be voting and it doesn't matter? doesn't matter to anyone that he doesn't show up for work? >> right. >> why do people quit the senate and go ahome and decide they don't want to be senators? there was a time when being elected to these posts was considered the highest aspiration for a man or woman in american society. >> right. >> we have a bigger question to examine as to why our governance is broken. >> i think it goes beyond government. >> well, it's governance, it's the v.a., it's everything that we've been talking about for years and years. it goes back to previous administrations. you can't blame this all on this white house, this congress. >> no. >> and he's tapping into something, at times it's ugly because there are dog whistles here, i think that's undeniable. it's something we really need to examine. i don't have my finger on it
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yet. >> sometimes good countries go bad, they go through periods where they have a breakdown in their political systems, where they have a run of bad leaders, where bad leaders appeal to the worst in people, not the best in people. america was founded on this idea that an informed citizenry makes good decisions. i understand the trump voters anger at washington, but you just have to hope that people in the remaining months, if he becomes a general election candidate are going to look carefully at him and ask tough questions. this is the future of their country, our country, all of us in it together. you can't look at what's going on and not be worried. >> you know, margaret, something that we have been saying on the show for at least five, six, seven years has been about the number one issue for politicians and for washington to get their arms around when it comes down to economics, our declining wages. the fact that the american dream is getting harder to achieve
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from working class to middle class americans, that average wages have gone down every year since 1973, that manufacturing jobs go over seas at $35 an hour, when they come back maybe they're $14 an hour. the political class in washington, d.c., has never addressed these issues. republicans have been saying, less taxes. the democrats have been saying, more spending. and that's the ind end of that debate. into that void, what are working class voters going to do? i'm not saying they're going to choose trump but they sure as hell don't have a good choice with either of the major parties. >> one of the reasons you talk about florida and i talk about going back to pennsylvania, here we don't meet those people. here we're surrounded by people whom globalization, technology, dampened wages, none of that affects the people in this particular corridor so we don't
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know. we don't know the new voters. we don't know the voters who have been disappointed by the people with the plans. but he doesn't have a plan. these voters say because you're allowed to talk to the trump voters once trump leaves the room, you're out of the barricades. if you talk to them, they say, but those people didn't do anything whether they had a plan or not. most of them have the ten point -- they have the ten-point plan but none of it happens and they love free trade. this is what's hurt these people so much. and they were told, by the way, joe, to tighten their belts. >> right. >> you go through austerity and we'll fix it later. >> andrea, in the neighborhoods where we live free trade has been very good for people who live in those communities. free trade has been a disaster in places like michigan -- >> that's right. >> -- in new hampshire, in south carolina. yes, it's great for wall street. yes, it's great for the readers
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of the wall street journal editorial page. i'm speaking for a free market conservative. >> there are economies where it's not bad, it's just that it is not understood and also, i mean, when i talk about the breakdown of governance, i also talk about the sequester. that is a failure of budgeting and responsibility that is killing our defense budget, it's killing our readiness as well as domestic squeezing everything else we do. nothing about entitlements. that sounds like gobbledygook washington talk. >> we'll continue the conversation. an be dree a mitchell, thank you for stopping by. we always love having you. still ahead, a major milestone for the markets this morning. business before the bell is coming up next. for those who take safety seriously. like we do. the volkswagen safety in numbers event...
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recession, that was the day that the stock market bottomed. since then the s&p 500, the main stock market is up 193%. the nasdaq is up 266% since then. it has been a tremendous rally. the third longest in history. more notable, actually, for the length of it than the size of it. only the fifth largest in history, but the bull is getting tired now and the market is down for 2016. there are all sorts of concerns from the dramatic collapse in the price of oil to profits peaking to the u.s. economy slowing to china. but i would say one thing, joe, that is the hallmark of this bull market has been a wall of worry that markets have mappinged to climappinnaged to climb. we'll see some of the political uncertainty. >> cnbc's sara isen, we
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appreciate it. david ignatius, flat wages going down every year for working class americans since 1973 and wall street going up 200, 250% for the past eight years. >> i would say, joe, one of the failures of president obama is his inability to convey to the country that after this near death experience in 2008, 2009, our financial markets were rebuilt in a way that actually does benefit ordinary people and the low wages, the lack of improvement in manufacturing, the low investment, those are all deep structural problems, but the president should be able to tell people, we have had continuous job growth, we've had growth in financial markets. that doesn't get through. that's one reason that people say nothing's changed. look at those numbers. >> all right. coming up next, breaking news overnight. the man known as the fifth beatle has died. we remember legendary producer, george martin next on "morning joe." your help staying in touch with customers.
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well, the world is mourning the loss of a music giant this morning. that is an understatement. sir george martin. better known as the fifth beatle died in his sleep at the age of 90. news of his death first emerged from a tweet by ringo starr. as a label executive, george martin decided to signed the beatles to parlaphone records.
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one famously said bands with guitars are on their way out. as a music producer and a mentor, martin would guide the beatles from their first meeting in june of 1962 until the band broke up in 1970. during a seven decade career martin produced all but one of the beatles albums. he went on to produce america, eltonnon, celine dion and jeff beck to name a few. he was an extraordinary talent. he saw talent where others did not see talent and was responsible for so much of their greatness. dave ignatius, you went to the first beatles concert in america after ed sullivan. >> one of my most unforgettable times with my wife. they came to washington, d.c., to a little auditor yum with 3,000 people. i was pelted with jelly beans
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being thrown to the audience. that was beatle mania. if you were 12 years old, it was pretty exciting. >> george martin also produced acts like larry norman also. paul mccartney, "live and let die" that extraordinary theme song and "tug of war." >> you have your band. i was thinking we're split in so many ways now. our music is split into about 20, 30 different categories but back then when david was a kid everybody loved the beatles. >> right. >> our music was uniting. now everything is split into narrow little niches. >> subdivided, vulcan niezed. >> what did you learn? >> i relearned what i knew. there are a lot of people that are good people. not necessarily big, not necessarily stupid, who really support donald trump because they don't see another alternative. they're unmoored from politics, from government, from their
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churches, from their civic institutions, small businesses, big businesses, they see nothing working in their lives. donald trump is to them nothing else a finger to the pulse. >> thank you so much. greatly appreciate it as always. steve kornacki picks up our coverage right after a quick break. we'll see you tomorrow. thanks. sales event is on. with extraordinary offers on the stylish, all-new rx...
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