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that's why i ran for president. >> all right, senator rubio,vy to leave it there. pleasure, sure. >> all right, senator rubio, i got to leave it there. pleasure, sure. that will be it for all of us. a big thank you to our friends here at florida international university. our wonderful host here in miami, florida. keep it tuned in here for msnbc, the place for politics. have a good night. [ applause ] ♪ good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes, tonight, democratic presidential candidates bernie sanders and hillary clinton faced off for the first time since sanders' upset victory in michigan last night shaped the race. the debate hosted by univision centered on immigration issue, a key focus in next week's florida primary. under pressure from co-moderator hooray ramos clinton vowed not
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to deport undocumented immigrants living in the country who have not committed crimes. >> i do not have the same policy as the current administration does. i will not deport children. i would not deport children. i do not want to deport family members either, jorge. of the undocumented people living in our country i want to see them on a path to citizenship. >> senators likewise broke with the current deportation policies. >> i happen to agree with president obama on many, many issues. i think he's done a great job as president of the united states. he is wrong on this issue of deportation. i disagree with him on that so to answer your question, no, i will not deport children from the united states of america. >> in a remarkable moment, perhaps one of the most we've seen a mother whose husband had been deported was given the opportunity to ask the candidates in spanish about
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family reunification. >> this is a painful and personal issue. she wants to know what you would do to stop them. >> the issue of what we're trying to do is to unite families not to divide families. the idea -- the idea that a mother is living here and her children are on the other side of the border is immoral. >> clinton sound rare note of self-criticism when asked why they show polls questioning her trustworthiness. >> i have said before and it won't surprise anybody, this is not easy for me. it's not easy to do what i think is right, to help people to even the odds. i am not a natural politician in case you haven't noticed like my
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husband or president obama so i have a view that i just have to do the best i can, get the results i can, make a difference in people's lives and hope that people see i'm fighting for them and that i can improve conditions, economically and other ways that will benefit them and their family. >> joining me from the spin room in miami is kristen welker following the clinton campaign. i'm curious, after last night's surprise in michigan which from a narrative perspective upended things but from a delegate perspective did not. for hillary clinton in terms of awarded delegates, what was the thought going into the camp? >> they have been trying to downplay the loss, of course, no surprise there, but they keep going back to the delegates and one clinton official today said secretary clinton is close to putting this race out of reach.
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that is significant because they've sort of been looking down the road for that. they've been saying that's not going to happen until march 15th or maybe later and reviving it and saying she does have a significant delegate lead. sanders talked about it tonight, pick up more states and convince some of those superdelegates to come to her side. we saw secretary clinton try to play down the loss in michigan and got asked about it right off of the bat and she sort of suggested, look, it's not that big of a deal. i won more votes, more delegates last night. let's move on but clearly she's feeling very defensive about that loss last night because if you looked at the polls, it showed she had a double-digit lead. i thought there were fascinating points. one of them over her e-mails. this continues to loom large and you heard her really pressed on that issue like we haven't before, asked if she would step
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down, if she was indicted and she essentially refused to answer it directly and instead said i'm not answering that, it's not going to happen. i also thought interesting strategy which goes back to the loss in michigan, she again hit senator sanders for opposing the auto bailout. it's a strategy that didn't work in michigan, chris. she clearly thinks it must be able to gain traction as she looks toward ohio and illinois but i can tell you there are concerns about ohio and illinois because what we saw in michigan, sanders is competitive in those larger and more diverse states and we heard an emboldened senator sanders. i'd put my records up against yours any day of the week and saw him flex his muscles and underscores how competitive this race has become, again, not necessarily in the numbers but in the narrative and that is so important at this critical moment. >> all right, kristen welker, thank you again. joining me now is msnbc
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political correspondent kasie hunt. what kristen said, that's the key dichotomy. look at the map they came out ahead last night, points on the board getting towards the delegate threshold yet obviously from a momentum perspective the sanders win was huge and money perspecti perspective, one imagines that helped them quite a bit in their direct small dollar fund-raising. what was their thinking going into tonight? >> i think that's the right analysis, chris, that it looks as though this energized their online fund-raising although we're waiting to see what the totals might be over the course of the last day. this was pretty unexpected even for them. i mean i think both sides knew how close michigan was going to be and knew it would be tight unlike what many of the public polls showed but even some of his top advisers were surprised when i it and so was sanders himself. we were at, you know, the hotel where his staff was celebrating
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last night obviously, down at the bar drinking, cheering, pretty clear this was a campaign that went from being in the middle of a slog that was kind of a difficult thing, you know, every day, put one foot in front of the other to being a campaign that was excited again. i think you saw a little from senator sanders himself on the stage tonight. he was a little bit back in his element after he got put back on his heels last weekend's debate in flint when hillary clinton went after him or his vote on the auto bailout or that, you know, piece of the wall street bailout that included money that helped the auto industry and clearly came ready to throw punches her way. i think you saw that on illegal immigration or excuse me undocumented immigration as far as the children who are coming across the border from honduras and other places so it's pretty clear to me that the sanders campaign is in a place where
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they feel re-energized in their ability to compete in delegates. now, we saw, of course, these states across the south, voting for hillary clinton in overwhelming margins. that's what's given her this pledge delegate lead we keep hearing so much about. the sanders campaign feels like they have states favorable to them coming up on the map. a lot of states on the west coast like washington state, oregon, maybe steer upically what you think of as where there is excitement around bernie sanders and feel like they can cut into that lead and at the very least they'll have enough money to make some serious plays. their challenge will be keeping those clinton margins down and that's why you're seeing sanders compete so aggressively in florida even though they are far behind unlikely they'll be able to catch up. if they let her expand her margin here, quite a bit, then they risk falling behind in that delegate count so why you're seeing him spend the next day
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doing a swing all across the state in gainesville at the university of florida, then the orlando area ending the night in tampa, chris. >> thank you very much. that tally is the network's combined tally of pledged and superdelegates of course on the democratic side there are the free-floating delegates who get to vote however they choose. hundreds of them have pledged to hillary clinton. that's adding to the margin. the awarded delegate gap between these two candidates right now i think is hovering in the 250 delegate range so keep that in mind as you think about where this race is at going forward. those pledge delegates have yet to vote the superdelegates that will happen at the convention. joining me from the spin room in miami is the chair of the clinton campaign, john podesta. john, was there a policy change tonight in hillary clinton's pledges on "a," deportation and
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"b," reunification to those deported. the sanders campaign had taken it previously tonight but your campaign had not. >> chris, i think from the beginning i think what she said is we got to put our emphasis on deporting people who are violent criminals and we want to keep families who are law-abiding, paying their taxes here in the united states together and in terms of family unification, you know, she's always been someone who's thought about the children and families, wants to see families held together so i think that she was -- gave -- had an opportunity to say what she thought and say from her heart where she thinks the country should go. the most important thing we need to do is pass comprehensive immigration reform and i thought the whole exchange about the 2007 vote made the point that a lot of those families that are here today would be a lot better off if that bill had passed as the house was prepared to do and
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president was willing to sign. >> it was striking to me, you're someone who has been active in progressive politics, democratic party politics, center left politics for awhile. it was striking to me where the center of the democratic party on immigration has moved. obviously there's steps at comprehensive reform in previous administrations, the democratic party has jem been more amenable to it than the republican party blue the positions on deportation, this is a shift considerly to the left over the last ten years. would you agree? >> well, absolutely and i think as someone who tried to work with senator kennedy in 2007 when i was at the center for american progress to get reform passed, clearly there was still opposition within the democratic party to moving forward with that. that's melted away now. i think there's almost unanimous support for that position within the democratic party in both of house and senate. and as hillary said tonight i think what we need to do is get
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a few more democratic senators to put this back before the congress and i think within the first 100 days she made a pledge to push it forward and get the job done that we began so -- really over a decade ago. >> secretary clinton again attacked senator sanders tonight on the auto bailout and i want to just play this bit of sound that walked through her rationale for you and get you to respond. listen. all right. basically let me sort of reset what she said. the argument is that when senator sanders voted against the allocation of the second tranche of t.a.r.p. fund, the vast majority went to large financial institutions, that that itself was a vote against the auto bailout because that money ended up being used for the auto bailout. here's my question to you, by that logic, when senator debby
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st stabnow voted for it, if it weren't for t.a.r.p. there wouldn't be money for the bailout. >> hillary walked through there. there was a vote and they both voted for it. by the time january rolled around president obama had been elected. he asked the senate to release the second tranche, if you will of that money, some of which went to finish off the financial restructuring, but $80 billion of which went to restructure the auto industry. that money was paid back to the government. but without it, the auto industry would have gone down the tubes and lost 3 to 4 million jobs in this country. senator stabe nnow asked peopleo vote for it and most voted for it. senator sanders voted against it
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and we understand the reasons why he voted against it but when the rubber hit the road, that money when it was needed and used to restructure the auto industry senator sanders voted no. >> this strikes me as sort of a key. fascinating vote into the thinking of both senator sanders and secretary clinton because i remember covering that vote and that really was a blank check. rahm emanuel told charlie rose before they came in when the president was the president-elect that's our first priority. get that second tranche of t.a.r.p. money and the panic stymied. the question was trust us. i remember a sitting senator saying they're asking for a blank check off the record he told me. that's a question of trust and do you trust this administration with this blank check and sanders basically said no there and i think what i'm lehearing from you, he should have yes. >> he should have. we were losing 800,000 jobs a month at that moment.
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and the country was facing the prospect of a great depression and president-elect asked for that. i was running the transition so i remember it well. asked for it so he had the tools that he could use to restructure the economy to restructure the auto industry, to keep people from even worst job loss and as i said, if that vote had gone the other way, i think the consequences would have been dire and certainly would have meant that the auto industry would have gone down the tubes. >> all right, chair of the clinton campaign, john podesta, come back any time, all right, john? >> all right, chris. joining me now from the spin room is the manager for the sanders campaign, jeff weaver. jeff, i want to talk about the mccain/kennedy bill which got litigated again. it's been litigated a number of times. >> sure. >> here's my question, senator sanders basically says the guest worker provisions were a
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breaking point. i couldn't vote for it but the senator in his career in the house and senate have voted for stuff that contains bad stuff. the crime bill he had reservations about and went to the floor and talked about it. net/net, i voted with it even with bad stuff. in hindsight, was that vote on 2007 mccain/kennedy net/net the totality of that the right vote. >> yes, chris, it was. look, the guest worker provisions of that bush administration backed bill and ted kennedy and john mccain are honorable people who tried to do the best they could negotiating with the bush administration and the bush administration h no love for undocumented or migrant workers. a core of that bill, the centrality of that bill was this guest worker program. called by the southern poverty law center akin to slavery. many large latinas -- including
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the largest organization in this country opposed it as did many other smaller latino organizations. we cannot perpetuate a system where they're abused economically, physically and sexually. if the secretary wants to support that she can go ahead. we'll stand with a migrant worker and make sure they have the rights they need. >> jeff -- >> look -- >> yeah. >> let me say, i'm not saying -- i'm not contesting you on the guest worker provisions but there were people on the other side of that as hillary clinton says, right. i guess here's my question to you. you go back, if bernie sanders' was the deciding vote you think it was worth scotching all of comprehensive immigration reform over them. >> it was the core of the bill, chris. you have to understand it was a bush administration backed bill, not the 2013 political. that bill had guest worker provisions in it but much strengthened in terms of protection of workers. look, you cannot support a bill
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where people are being sexually assaulted and when they try to protect themselves they're thrown out of the country. what kind of message does that send? he was in immokalee, florida, protecting people far from vermont, no connection to him not running for president. when you look at people do when nobody is looking, that's the kind of people you know they are. he was helping undocumented workers terribly exploited in florida and in some cases the government has brought -- talk about slavery had brought slavery charges against some of the folks down there. that's what bernie sanders has been about, protecting vulnerable people in this country, whether it's migrant workers or anybody else. >> does north sanders believe -- there was never an answer to this. does he believe that kind of immigration unfettered at the lowest level does drive down wages? is that a belief of his.
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>> no, what he said bringing in workers into the guest worker program, this is the same guest worker program we're talking about in relation to the 2007 bill. if they're mike grant workers or american citizens who don't have rights and can't stand up against it that drives down wages for everybody. not that there are people coming into this country blue coming in in abusive relationships where corporations can exploit them viciously and they have no right to speak up. >> let me rafiqullah you. you had a good night last night, everyone was surprised by michigan, overcame a 21-point polling average but you're still down delegates at the end of the night. the way it works and you know him better than anyone. there is a huge white board that has nothing on it but this. proportionate delegates make it
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harder and harder for you to catch up. it is the indication you need big wins somewhere, right? >> yeah, look, we centrdemonstr this. she was first lady of arkansas for over a decade, strong political ties throughout the south so we knew she would do well in the south but what we have seen outside of the south is that bernie sanders consistently win, now, michigan was very close but otherwise, consistently wins with double-digit victories, new hampshire, maine, kansas over 30 points and a lot more states look like he's winning by big margins than she does in the south. there's only two more states in the south. >> jeff weaver, thanks very much. i appreciate it. all right. we are going to be digging into what was a fascinating debate in many respects. we've got some great people here to discuss it. there was fracking talked about. climate change got a turn, front and center and a lot more on
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if i'm so fortunate enough to be your democratic nominee there will be a lot of time to talk about him. i was the first one to call him out. i called him out when he was calling mexicans rapists, when he was engaging in rhetoric that i found deeply offensive. i said basta. >> joining me, debbie wasserman schultz. we are getting a lot more debates than we thought we would. are you glad? >> i am. as the candidates and dnc talked about the need to spend more time and added debates and i think they've been fantastic and candidates are pleased as well. >> are you -- i'll ask what i
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asked john podesta before. would you say that the center of the democratic party on immigration has moved considerably to the left and say the last four or six years. >> the center has moved left? no. i think we've been and continue to be right where we should be which is supporting comprehensive broad-based immigration reform. you know, obviously with important border security, but making sure that people who simply want to be in this country, chris, to make a better way of life for themselves are able to stay and we can have a pathway to legal status and citizenship. that's been our policy as democrats for a long, long time now. >> you know, there's been a lot of talk about superdelegates as this delegate race goes forward and adding them up. can you explain why superdelegates exist? >> sure, unpledged delegates were created by the democratic party in 1984.
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so this is not a new development. and as i had a chance to talk to rachel a couple of weeks ago about, imagine, chris, if you were someone who wanted to run for delegate and go to our convention, if you had to run against a member of congress, a former dnc chair, a, you know, a high-profile politician in your community, the chances of you being elected in your congressional district to be a delegate are pretty slim. so in 1984, the party made a decision to take those party leaders and elected official, designate them as unpledged delegates and that way we free up these delegates slots for a more diverse delegation all across the nation. we've not done it with nick but the pledge delegates. >> do you ever think if you had some superdelegates maybe you could put a stop to all the trump nonsense.
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>> i think reince priebus is probably thinking that. look, right now looking over at the republican party, they are an absolute utter train wreck. they're in freefall and, you know, our debate tonight was something that i had been and continue to be so proud of our candidates. american voters get a clear picture every time they listen to the two of our candidates about the direction that they would take this country building on the progress we've made and when they look at the republicans, they look at an utter mess that is, you know, like -- more like a wwe wrestling match than a debate for the presidency of the united states of america. it's just stunning. >> congresswoman did you think you would be here in march? >> did i think that we would be at a debris in march or still in a primary. >> in the midst of a contested primary at this point? >> i most certainly thought we'd still be here by march. we don't actually reach 50% of
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the delegates available until this coming tuesday on march 15th. so, yes, i fully expected us to be at this place at this moment and i wasn't sure how long a primary would go but we definitely were going to be here until next tuesday and we are and i expect it will continue and at the same time while the primary is playing out we're getting ready at the dnc to prepare to support whoever our nominee ultimately is and got to get ready for the general election and taking any one of these jokers on the other side of the aisle seriously because we know this will be a competitive contest and have to be prepared. >> congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz, thank you. >> we have a democrat from hawaii. congresswoman who endorsed bernie sanders. >> hey, chris, thank you. congresswoman, thanks for joining me. >> thank you. >> let me get your reaction to the debate again, another fiery night, i thought, one of the
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sharpest exchanges was over immigration. she criticized him again for quoting against that 2007 bill. he has his reasons for doing that. were you satisfied with his answer? do you think he defended himself enough tonight. >> i think senator sanders was able to talk clearly about his record. dishonest attacks were against him and that record and if people look at what he has done, but also what he plans to do. he has a very strong and detailed immigration reform plan he has put out that's been lauded by experts and others that is not only aggressive but workable and something he can implement. >> you talk about some of the criticism attacks against him. another one we saw secretary clinton going over him over the auto bailout. it didn't work there but she's not relenting on that point particularly as we approach ohio
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and illinois, other midwestern states where that will resonate. are you concerned that will start to take hold and could dip away at some of his support? >> i think as we saw just last night in michigan, the people of michigan stood up and made sure their voices were heard and chose senator bernie sanders even after that unfortunate attack was made because they understood clearly he supported the auto bailout. he has supported working people his entire life. what he voted against and what secretary clinton voted for was the bailout of the wall street brapg banks. she talked about how they were paid back all that money, she failed to talk about all of the families who lost their homes. they didn't get their homes back. they didn't get their lives back. they didn't, you know, we had people across the country whose lives were literally devastated because of this wall street abuse that occurred and still the kinds of reform and kinds of
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accountability that should have taken place a long time ago have still yet not occurred. >> i'm getting the wrap but quickly i want to ask about this race more broadly. some people say the map isn't on senator sanders' side. what do you say to those folks as we approach ohio, illinois, florida. >> people can turn on the tv and hear political pundits about how they will vote. michigan last night just proves why our democracy is so important. there are clear contrasts between our two candidates. every single person should have the opportunity to vote. before people start calling this election long before it's over. >> congressman gabbard, thanks for joining us. >> kristen welker, thanks so much. we have much more to come including some new areas that haven't gotten a lot of attention. we have a great panel here. stick around. don't go anywhere. hey!
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and sam seeder and an msnbc contributor. jorge ramos is sort of famous for his ability to bear down and get commitments and tonight he was very focused on deportation and trying to get a commitment from secretary clinton that she would not deport children. here's that passage where he talked about asking clinton if she would deport kids sort of again and again. take a listen. basically clinton says i don't have the same policy as the current administration has and i would not deport children. i do not want to deport family members either. of the undocumented people in this country i want them to see on a path to citizenship. how big a deal was that. >> interesting one and big deal and i do think that despite what we heard earlier from schultz shu, a lot has to do with since 2006
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a movement of undocumented activism so in the last ten years they have been organizing politically along with latino citizens and no longer the story that they're being talked about but from this debate they're speaking about their own experiences in the deportation regime and changes the conversation and shifted it travolta dramatically. >> where the mother who is from guatemala whose husband is back there talked about -- i mean talked about missing the family. you said he's a good worker and father and husband and not here. that aspect of u.s. immigration policy, tara, is essentially completely missing most of the time from the debates. >> exactly and it's an emotional thing in that moment it was emotional and heavy. it was sad so the other thing we've seen when i worked in field operations when i was working on campaigns, one of the things was you didn't see as many hispanic voters registered to vote. that was an issue and now you're
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starting to see so much more grassroots registration of people to vote and people actually exercising that right to vote and "the new york times" article that has been talked about that people are rushing to register to vote so what you see is that there is pressure and the democratic party is now conforming to that pressure. >> there is this amazing statistic i think i saw today, i think it was in 2004, hispanics in florida, it was 44,000 advantage for republicans in regstered voters in florida. it is now a 200,000 registered voter advantage in florida for democrats. you could sort of feel that political shift all around the debate tonight. >> and nationally let's face it. i mean, this is -- we have reached peak polarization with it. there is -- >> there's no middle. >> no middle. >> soto sides in air own way ensured through their bases and
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activism that the middle is gone. >> this was a smart move for secretary clinton because she does not want to be outflanked on the left by bernie sanders on this issue. she seems to be willing to be outflanked on issues like the banks. >> right. >> and some of the other economic issues but in terms of that specifically immigration and really isn't a huge price to pay in the general because -- >> is there not, though? that's the question. >> i don't think so. we are at peak polarization. you know, there's -- >> in for a penny, in for a pound. build the wall or deport no one. >> exactly, exactly. so what did strike me in one moment in the debate that hasn't come up was when she was asked specifically about what you would do for latinos in terms of economics and i didn't see the specifics there that sanders had so i think, you know, that struck plea as one moment that i think is going to really resonate in a place like florida. >> talk more about this and i also want to get to the climate part of this because miami will be underwater at a certain point
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close to your heart and you consider yourself a supporter of bernie sanders or at least on that issue particularly. >> i love to hear bernie sanders talk about fracking. >> here's my question to you. there's a lot of people who i think highly of who argued to me somewhat persuasively a ban on it would help coal. that right now it's kind of like letting jeb bush split the vote in south carolina then he drops out. you want fracking to kill coal and when coal is gone you turn your attack ads on fracking. >> there was a huge difference in what hillary clinton was saying tonight and what bernie sanders was saying tonight and you hit the nail on the head. it's fracking. when hillary clinton comes out and says she supports the clean power plant. what the clean power plant does is facilitates a transition from coal to gas, not from coal and gas to renewable energy. bernie sanders has proposed revisions to the plan which would do away with gas firepower
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ed plants. we are facing the proposed 300 fracked gas power plants hundreds of thousands of miles of pipelines, fracking galore. that is what hillary clinton is saying. she's supporting. >> i want to go back. the key thing when you talked about revising the climate plan so that it essentially would facility state the move to the to natural gas but renewable she was saying it's litigated up the w wazoo -- >> we've heard it many times before. if you build those power plants, florida goes underwater, new york city goes underwater. philadelphia, washington, d.c., boston, providence, new orleans. the difference here is in supporting fracking or not supporting fracking. and i have to say this, i have seen that political revolution that bernie sanders is talking about. it's the anti-fracking movement.
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it's the climate movement. it's the black lives matter movement. it's the occupy movement. right now america is a nation of oligarchs and movements and bernie sanders is the candidate for the grass roots. clinton worries me greatly because she's not developing that kind of grassroots enthusiasm. >> oligarchs and movements. josh, thanks for being with us. of course. >> joining me florida congressman alan grayson running for a seat in the u.s. senate has endorsed bernie sanders for president. am i right, congressman, you took a poll of the voters in your district about who you should endorse? >> no, we took a national poll, chris. we set up a website called graysonsurvey.com and told both candidates about it and allowed people to vote for two weeks and came in 400,000 voted more than nevada and new hampshire combined. more than south carolina, and the final vote was 84-16 in
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favor of sanders but what's most interesting we allowed them not just to vote but give reasons and they were fascinating but the fundamental reason they're voting for sanders they want deep fundamental change and somebody to address the effects offive ivfive inequality. they want change. >> tonight when sanders was pressed on the how, at one point karen tumulty, he said the solution is a political revolution and this has been something he said in response to a lot of things. what does that phrase mean to you? how do you understand it as a person running a race state. wide office in florida and is -- if successful going to go to a body that has de facto filibuster built in? >> listen, we spent $3 trillion a year. the federal government spends that a year and our priorities are all screwed up but bernie sanders is saying if we take the
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existing resources and the fact we have the richest country in the world, the fact we're the only major country in the world that doesn't have universal health care or paid sick leave and reallocate the resources already being there through taxing and otherwise, then this all can happen. >> okay. congressman, congressman, the adverb there is doing a very amount of work. if we simply reorder the priorities the american federal government, yeah, i mean, there's no magic wand to wave. there is a reasoning why the system is the way it is. european democracy, sub sta standtively on the merits. >> that's not necessary. bernie sanders pointed out we spend more than any other country on the planet on our health care, 17% of our gnp. no one spipds more than 13 and we have 30 million who can't see a doctor when they're sick
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and life expectancy, 50th in the world. we don't have to tax and spend more but spend more wisely and we have to get more for our money. >> congressman alan grayson, candidate in that state, as well. i appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> we got more with our panel, figure out what exactly got said tonight, what news got made. don't go anywhere. allergies with nasal congestion?
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if you get indicted would you computer out. >> that's not going to happen. i'm not answering that question. >> big cheer for that moment back now, cristina beltran, tara
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dowdell and sam seder. there were moments very much hillary which is her line about, look, i'm not my husband, i'm not barack obama, i'm not like -- she's saying i'm not a glad hander or a natural politician the way those two very smooth politicians are. i thought that moment evident frustration and anger like i'm not -- enough with this. i thought was a really good moment. >> i thought it was too and the other moment i thought that was good for her in addition to that was when she took the question about the trust issue, which is continuing to dog her where she showed some vulnerability. she showed humility and that's what i think people want to see. sometimes people forget because hillary clinton is viewed as such a master politician. they forget she's actually a human being and for her she has to continue to not be so ha hardened all the time and show that. >> i think that gets to this sort of idea of like her at her best when she's leaning into her nonpoliticianness, right? i mean, i keep coming back to the 11 hour of benghazi.
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the high point of her 2015 which you would think would be bizarre. it had to do with being an incredible well briefed particular smart, competent lawyer person. >> well, you know, one of the things i found interesting about the debate tonight was one, it was a little annoying not to hear something a little more about trade and we still have not had a question apparently on the question of choice in any of these debates which is short of shocking. >> fox asked it the other day to their credit, i would say. >> what was also interesting we also saw a preview of what we can expect in terms of general election attacks for both of them. right? we saw that with benghazi and went deep on the benghazi thing which is stuing. that's what mitt romney tried four years ago with president obama but still around on the right. when they showed that clip of bernie sanders sitting there with the interview talking about cuba, this is the type of stuff we can see for both those potential candidates in the general and i thought that was good. it was good to give those
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candidates from the perspective of people who want them to get something out of this primary to see them deal with those questions. >> and also there was a sort of interesting moment towards the end about kind of bernie sanders' record with latin america. a kind of, you know, his talking about fidel castro in an old interview and gave health care and the u.s. people tried to overthrow him. >> he went deep. >> how much resonance you think that has in the year 2016? >> well, so interesting because i often think we talk about the latino vote like it's one thing. there are multiplicities within it. latino left and sort of general latino -- there's also the florida voters versus, you know -- >> latino right. >> strong latino right. >> and cubans winning to vote and cuban-americans open to voting democratic but still don't like hearing the certain kind of line around castro and so you could feel that response that hillary was able to pick up
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on but i do think bernie is committed to a certain critique of imperialism and american empire and go through that story line regardless of whether or not it resonates with, you know, cuban-american voters or puerto rican voters. >> you could feel it fall flat in the room, "a," but, "b," no going now all on the record as the major of burlington talking about latin-american politics. tara, sam, cristina, thanks for staying with us. that does it for us. back tomorrow night live at 8:00 eastern. "the rachel maddow show" is coming up next. welcome to opportunity's knocking, where self-proclaimed financial superstars pitch you investment opportunities. i've got a fantastic deal for you- gold! with the right pool of investors, there's a lot of money to be made. but first, investors must ask the right questions and use the smartcheck challenge to make the right decisions.
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