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>> check out bloomberg politics.com for coverage, including mark's report cards, as always. >> we'll see you tomorrow from somewhere surprising. thanks for watching. >> coming up, "hardball" with chris matthews. punch line, let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews, out in los angeles. last night, an african-american man at a trump rally was sucker punched. according to the sheriff's department, he was being escorted because of a disruption when the incident occurred. another video shows the victim was pushed to the ground by deputies, soon after being punched. well, while the police say they did into the see the incident take place at the time, they have now arrested john franklin mcgraw and charged him with assault and disorderly conduct.
he suggested that the victim, the man he punched, might have been a terrorist with isis. here is mcgraw. >> we don't know who he is. we know is not acting like an american. >> so he deserved it? >> every bit of it. >> what was that? >> yes, he deserved it. next time we see him, we might have to kill him. >> you heard all that. 26-year-old rakeem jones, here is how his friend, ronny rouse, described what happened at the rally earlier today on msnbc. >> they telling us to go, so we get up, and as we were getting up, you see the video, and i'm walking up, surrounded by sheriffs and i got hit, like, it just threw me off and next thing i'm on the ground. >> there is a report in the "washington post," that the man, and i'm assuming raqqkeem, ex
temded a middle finger. >> yes, ma'am. donald trump telling the crowd to go home to his mother. rakeem's mother died when he was 18 years old and he got a little emotional about that. >> inbc hallie jackson with us, and robert costa writes for the "washington post" and msnbc political analyst. i want to go to hallie about this. what do we know about this? if you want to run through the incident as it went in series. what do we know happened here. >> with the bprotest incident, you had the protesters began to react, and you could hear it on the tape. he says go home to your meother if you look at the videotape, you see the person who is now arrested in this case, 78-year-old man, essentially
punch or appear to punch rakeem jones, the young man that's in that video you just played. at that point there are sheriffs nearby, the protesters are sort of escorted out. the arrest didn't happen until the next day, until after the actual incident occurred. and now are after seeing the fallout from this, chris. you're seeing reaction from a lot of different corners, including hillary clinton, who tweeted out what she called this repugnant behavior at trump rallies, arguing the candidates need to be the one to set the tone for events like these. >> now, in terms of trump's comments immediately before that, he was doing what he always does. tell me if i'm wrong. he is often taunted people as they've caused the disruption, the bouncers or the police, whatever, come and begin to escort them out. it's almost like a ritual, he taunts them on their way out, even to the point saying don't
let them have their coat, it's cold outside, let them freeze, is that what the situation seemed to be in that pattern? >> yeah, it appeared to be that. you've seen trump do this before, right. there was that moment last month, he talked about into the good old days, you take them out on a stretcher, punch them in the face, so you hear him talking about this when these protests happen. and remember, there are protests at every single one of his rallies. so this is not an unusual event for trump necessarily. what was unusual last night was obviously that it did turn violent. >> have you been enough of the rallies where you can offer reporters estimate of the different kinds of reactions people have? i hear the crowds, i'm watching it here from the studio and sometimes people are yucking it up, but do you ever see the faces of people looking angry or out for violence? do you sense there is real anger
in the room, where there is kind of enjoyment of the moment? how would you describe the faces of people. this guy looked like he had a point of view, that he brought from that room with him. i don't think he thought of what he was going to do when he got there. he obviously who he was this guy, we'll find out about his mental state or history or whatever violence if he has any. i'm asking do you have a sense of menace in the crowd. if you do, let me know. i would like to know. >> yeah, you know, i think it depends on the night, chris. i don't think you can make a blanket statement about it. i think some rallies, you've seen tension, you've seen the sense that maybe something could happen. at others, it's sort of a routine moment, where the protesters do their thing and get escorted out. the press reaction, that's another ritual. he'll turn around and talk about the cameras and the people in the moisturizerisers and they br
and yell. you have the moments very frequently at trump events, i would say almost every time. >> slate.com counts at least ten physical altercations at trump rallies going back to this past october. his rallies of course can draw up to 30,000 supporters. this latest comes after two weeks trump said this. >> we're not allowed to punch back any more. i love the old days, you know what they used to do with guys like that at a place like this, they would be carried out on a stretcher, folks. i would like to punch him in the face, i'll tell you. >> robert costa, how do we get an objective reporter between that kind of talk and this kind of behavior. this has gone on, people say things on television that cause people to say things, and yet in audiences of 10,000 people, one person does it, and is there a cause and effect when it's that level of incidence?
>> time and again, we haven't seen much of a political cost whenever he makes these kind of provocations, his base and supporters embrace his lack of political correctness. a lot of working class voters, feel like the system, economy, whatever it is is rigged and on his side regardless of what he says. it's different from when i go to rural areas, where it's more country club republicans. those who are more conservative, working class, they're all with him. >> tell me about your scoop. i hear you have some news who is no longer on the list. >> based on my reporting, ben carson, the conservative favorite who recently dropped out of the 2016 race, he is going to endorse trump tomorrow at mar-a-lago in south florida. they met today, confirmed by carson's business manager at mar-a-lago to huddle for an hour, and now carson is going to
move toward the outside. perhaps the biggest endorsement since chris christie backed him a few weeks ago. >> before we go back to the topic right now, you now have chris christie and ben carson on trump side. meanwhile, this other milieu of people meeting in florida with jeb. are they going to be the opposition, those other candidates. interesting coalition building going on here. >> that's right. you have lot of high-powered donors. i was in park city this past week, now in florida, paul singer, the new york donor with rubio. convening meetings and phone calls, trying to get some kind of revived efforts. praising the way he is drawing out a lot of disengaged voters. >> it's interesting how the republican party is dividing down the trump and anti-trump factions at the top among the various candidates and biggest donors. hang in there. hallie jackson just mentioned hillary clinton's reaction came
on last night. she kmencommented today that ai tonight on the rachel maddow show. let's watch her comment about this crime perhaps. let's watch. >> clearly, i know that everybody in public life gets protested against and sometimes people do have to be removed. but it should be done in an appropriate manner. other people in the audience should not be joining in. mr. trump should not be urging people on. this is deeply distressing. >> michelle, i'm kind of amazed as you might have been by the calmness by which this guy was sucker punched, a high schoolyard, he was really punched, he took it and the way he has talked about it. his friend was with him to video it. they seem like they have it all figured out. what do you think of the incident itself? what does it say. >> the incident itself is
absolutely horrifying, and i'm going to sort of paraphrase jorge ramos, but he is the journalist who had the scuffle with donald trump back in august. one of the statements he made is that donald trump is hatred and racism. no surprise if donald trump says he wished he could punch someone in the face in february. it's no surprise that the lowest of the low who are supporting his candidacy punched someone in the face in march, i think it would be pretty difficult to argue that there isn't some sort of a connection, when you have reporters who are latin decent being told to go back to your country or get out of my country or you have this man who sucker punched the african-american young male last night, saying you know, we don't know who he is. he could be isis, he could be a terrorist. what we do know is he isn't acting american it is a very, very scary time in our nation, and the fact that donald trump
is garnering so much support, all over the country. i think it spells for a very difficult time in american history and a difficult time for the republican party. does today's republican party want to be known as the party of donald trump, and you know, as jorge ramos said back in august, this is our country. it is not donald trump's country. >> i'm with you on this. i just think it's hard for me, you don't know about the personal motivation, we'll know more when this guy talks, but your assumption it had something to do with the race, the ethnicity, it wasn't that he was a protester. >> no, i think, i believe it was because he was black, it was because he saw this as someone who is not quote-unquote one of us. you know, being unpatriotic, whatever that means to him towards donald trump, and you know, and i want to go back to what bob said earlier. it's not just the sort of socioeconomic level that we saw
him punch him in the face earlier today on another network, a person who was on the apprentice with donald trump, and i believe it's being reported was once president of trump bro duproductions, went o television and thought it was delivered by a 78-year-old, and basically, i believe, was quoted as something to the effect of these liberals don't have any respect for freedom of speech. you don't see people going out to a hillary clinton campaign and causing this kind of trouble. it's a problem. >> i think everybody saw what that was. that was a punch delivered directly to the face of somebody with tremendous hatred and anger, with anything you want to assume about it i think is fair at this point. thank you, hallie jackson, great reporting as always about crowds getting a sense of them and a mix in the crowd for those there for the show and those with anger. robert costa, thank you for the scoop about dr. carson about to endorse donald trump. and michelle bernard, as always.
up until now, a big announcement to tell you, i'm excited to tell you hillary clinton will be joining me for an exclusive town hall this monday night at 7:00 eastern, an hour with hillary, a town hall with hillary clinton, right here on "hardball," actually, 7:00 eastern, our time. coming up, marco rubio's last stand, he says he regrets the personal attacks, the personal stuff, below the belt, his children were embarrassed by it. he is headed into the debate to change the race ahead of tuesday's primary. but what's interesting to see, will they keep their gloves up tonight. good luck to both of them. the sharp debate last night between hillary clinton and bernie sanders, clinton showed some authenticity, admitting she is not a natural politician like her husband or president obama. can she turn it into a strength. that's a great question. for all you die-hard fans for house of cards, take a break from binge watching, we've actor
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the guy with the worst spray tan in america is attacking me for putting on makeup. donald trump likes to sue people. he should sue whoever did that to his face. >> he is not going to make america great. he is going to make america orange. he is like 6'2", which i don't understand why his hands are the size of someone 5'2". they're like this. small you know what they say about a man with small hands. you can't trust him. well, that was the worst of the worst, wasn't it.
welcome back to "hardball." two weeks, marco rubio has tried to out trump trump in the insult, the done rickles you might say, for younger people, insulting people. he has not been successful at the new trade. inside rubio's collapse, a fateful decision that helped unravel his campaign. according to the "washington post" story, a strategy designed to get under trump's skin enforced him on the defensive backfired on rubio and rally after rally, he was unintentionally character that he was drawing of him as little marco. here is that failed strategy on display during a recent republican debate. let's watch. >> last night in the debate during one of the breaks, two of the breaks, he went backstage, he was having a meltdown. first, he had this little makeup thing applying, like makeup around his mustache, because one of those sweat mustaches. then he asked for a full-length
mirror, i don't know why, because the podium goes up to here. maybe to make sure his pants weren't wet. i don't know. >> that was about as low as it got fortunately. today, he won just two contests, minnesota and of course, pure puerto rico. it shows donald trump thumping him in florida. that's rubio's home state. fox now has trump with 43 to rubio's 20. suffolk university has 36 to 27. it's trump 38-31, so it's mixed in there, all taken at different times. it adds up to about ten points. joining me now is political analyst michael steele. sir, thank you and curtis lee, political reporter for the los angeles times. what do you think of the guy that imitates his act but looks creepier. >> stay with what you know. that was i think the fatal flaw with the rubio strategy. he didn't need to get into the
gutter. he didn't need to go where trump was. all he needed to do was make the policy argument. we know he is strong on that. we know he has got the brainpower as well as the car r -- you never go where you're not comfortable or good. he was both of those things. he was not good at it and clearly uncomfortable with it after a while, particularly in the last debate. it just seems forced, and so he paid the ultimate price. i think it may have cost him the pathway to the nomination. >> i'm sure comedians out here that write shows, they can figure out the difference between something funny and something that thumps on the floor. what do you make of this? >> yeah, i mean, i was on the trail with rubio in february before he turned to this. i mean, most of the time he was talking about, you know, this future of america, this bright future, optimistic tone. >> that was his theme. >> he was hammering it home on
the stump quite a bit. and it hit this panic mode and shifted its message quite a bit and started talking about spray tans and the his little hands. >> let's go back to mike before we get in what rubio said himself. this idea of trump, you know, we watch nba or basketball game, that's hot right now, by the way, holy cross beat leighi. it's nice, you have to win the last ones. let me ask you about this thing here about the old trick, you know, fouling in a basketball game. we watch it at the ends of the game. my favorite game is basketball. you want to get the ball back. it's a simple met -- you have to get the guy get his foul shot you win on the transaction. but you have to get the ball
back. is that what they told him, if you don't hit him on the inside, get the pub listy by going after him. >> it matters how you foul someone. you could fall in a way you get a technical or foul in a way where you get thrown out of the game. you have to be smart how you foul and that's -- that was clearly not the case here. they thought they saw an opening. and they played to that opening. they should have just stayed in the lane they were in, because the bigger argument, the better argument was about a brighter america. donald trump's argument was we want to take america back, or we want to make it strong again. his argument was let's talk about a better america, and that was the one that ultimately was the winning point. and you know, again, we get out of your lane and start fouling, you're going to get out of the game. >> he was -- the positive, minorities, hispanics, black americans, problems in the 60s,
ever since roosevelt and johnson, they don't want to seem to win that, and they're not going to win it unless they try. >> that's what rubio is, trying to be this transformational figure for the republican party. but it just hasn't correlated with the republican electorate. >> it's amazing guys when a politician, i talked to a guy who knows politics from the inside, hardly ever happens. here he is regretting the way he tried to take trump down. let's listen to a remarkable statement by a politician. >> that's not something i'm entirely proud of. my kids were embarrassed by it, and i, you know, if i had to do it again, i wouldn't. >> wow. they don't always do that. >> not always, no, no. alexander this could and it could be one of those things he is looking at his political future. if he doesn't win, it's tough for him to continue on. >> he has to admit he shouldn't
have gone below the belt. will trump be graceful and say i'm glad -- you're laughing. will trump be graceful. >> it will be interesting to see. trump will certainly stand up there and say possibly the little marco and go after marco rubio, does he stand up to trump or remain presidential and hit on his record, what he did in florida and the state legislation. what he has done in the u.s. senate. does he talk about his record and focus on change back to this american future. and optimistic message. it will be interesting to see where he goes on that. >> michael, so far only one candidate shoot to moon and do the positive stuff and that's john kasich. i don't think anybody else has done it lately. what do you think about the debate? will trump be brutal on this guy now that he has him down. >> i don't think so. i don't think it works to trump's advantage to do that. he knows the math as well as rubio does at this point. even with a win, he is still going to be in the better position to grab the nomination.
so i think trump, his opportunity is to sort of look past rubio. he may take a zing or too at kasich, he may take one at cruz, but i don't think rubio is much in his sights as before. the point about the modesty and honesty that rubio showed, i wondered if he would have admitted if it worked. it's easier to come out i shouldn't have done that, after it failed miserably. so there is another side to that coin, if it had worked, i wonder what the conversation would be now. >> yeah, people always, i hate to be mean about it, but people often admit, quote, bad judgment, after they get caught. any way, thank you. when they don't get caught, they never said i was guilty. let me tell you what i did that you didn't know about. michael, and i are catholics, we know all this stuff too well. >> we know all about the guilt, baby. >> thank you so much. great to have you on out here with the los angeles times. i'll be back tonight at 11:00
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welcome back to "hardball," after bernie sanders scored an upset win against hillary clinton in michigan, they met for their final scheduled debate last night. the two clashed on immigration, trade deals and clinton's paid speeches to wall street banks. >> i think our best chance was in 2007, when ted kennedy led the charge on comprehensive immigration reform. i voted for that bill. senator sanders voted against it. >> the great tragedies, human tragedies of recent years, is children came from honduras and i said welcome children into this country. she said send them back. >> i think it's worth pointing out that the leaders of the fossil fuel industry, the coke brothers have just put up an ad praising senator sanders. >> when you get paid $225,000, that means the speech must have
been an extraordinarily wonderful speech. i would think that a speech so great that you got paid so much money for your it, you would like to share it with the american people. >> a little sense of humor there. going to the polls next week in florida, ohio, illinois, north carolina and missouri, polls in several of those states show secretary clinton on solid ground. she leads sanders by 30 points down in florida. she has ahead nine points in ohio, and a commanding 42 point lead in her original home state of illinois, before she goes to arkansas. howard fineman for the huffington post, eric mcpike, and ken for politico. i want to start with howard, my friend. as we say in baseball, throw it around the horn right now. all those states, what should hillary clinton be worried about for senator sanders. >> ohio.
ohio. the one where it could be a contest, ohio is in many ways similar to michigan, where senator sanders pulled off that big, narrow, but big upset. i think there is some indication he closes in situations like that. and the message is that one michigan for him on trade, middle class economics, that's the core. the polls in michigan showed that eight out of nine or ten voters cared those things. that's the strong message. is he going to win the nomination, probably not. is he allowed absolutely. >> you look good in the baseball cap. her limitations a politician. let's watch this. >> i have said before, and it won't surprise anybody to hear me say it. this is not easy for me. i am not a natural politician, in case you haven't noticed, like my husband or president obama.
so i have a view that i just have to do the best i can, get the results i can, make a difference in people's lives, and hope that people see that i'm fighting for them and that i can improve conditions, economically and other ways that will benefit them and their family. >> boy, erin, that's the opposite of how trump talks. he says he's the greatest on the planet, the most beautiful, everything he has ever done is wonderful, went to the best school, all that. here is hillary clinton, with all the degrees in the world, including yale law school and wellsly and everything else in her background, she is saying i'm not very good at this. what do you make of it? >> a direct play for women voters. i perked up when i heard her say that. it was the most disarming thing she has said throughout this entire election cycle. women relate to it. it's maybe we're not as confident, though she should be, as our male counterparts. she has some nervousness, that
she is not as -- i thought it was a great move. a more subtle play for women than she has been doing throughout the cycle. >> the women students get better grades than men but men raise their hands more often. >> absolutely that's true. >> that's what i think. any way, let me go to ken on this. hillary clinton, because you know, we've been through a lot of drama with hillary clinton, back you know, in new hampshire back in '08 when issue was feeling bad about the campaign, she got beat in iowa and she showed, i don't know if it was tears, but certainly emotion. that was a voice. it works for a while. i don't know how it works in the long run. it may be a good counter balance with trump. >> it takes in in some ways, a weakness for her, she doesn't have this electric charisma. what i lack there, i make up for
in hard work. that's the way a lot of people, not just women, see themselves. people don't see themselves as a naturally talented, like a michael jordan type. they see like a steve kerr type to use the chicago bulls basketball analogy, and that's really a place where she can find her groove, and it is similar to what she did in 2008, going back to the debate where she said she sort of forced obama into saying that she is likeable enough by saying that it hurt her feelings, some of these polls that showed her to be not as likeable. that's strong. >> she's saying she's not good at it, they showed video of 1985, discussing cuba and ffide castro and the cuban revolution. >> way back in, 1961, they invaded cuba, everyone was convinced that castro was the
worst guy in the world, they forgot he educated the kids, gave them health care, totally transformed the society, you know, not to say that castro and cuba are perfect. just because ronald reagan dislikes these people does not mean the people in the own nation feel the same way. >> in the past, he has visited cuba and he says america doesn't understand what is happening there and he calls it a cuban revolution in terms of values. well, last night, senators didn't back away from his past comments. here he is. >> cuba is of course an a authority yan and i hope it becomes a democratic country. but on the other hand, it would be wrong not to state that in cuba, they have made some good advances in health care. they are sending doctors all over the world. they have made some progress in education. >> i think in that same interview, he praised what he
called the revolution of values in kaub cuba, if the values are im prison people, kill people for expressing their opinions, expressing freedom of speech, that is not the kind of revolution of values that i ever want to see any where. >> that's a hard one, howard. i mean, i don't want to go back to my views. it's not about my views, which is pretty much what they were, but here you are trying to defend anything about a dicta r dictatorship is tricky. it's marr it's hard to do. you have to wonder. what's the motivation. >> bernie is bernie and he is stubborn and he sticks to his guns and that's why people like him. look, the cuban vote in florida doesn't mean as much as it did. most of the latinos in florida are not cuban any more. and they're not democrats. a lot of them are republicans. but that said, i think bernie is
on the wrong side of that one. you could tell in the audience, and i think hillary scored on that. even as the politics have changed. it's hard to defend, it's hard to say now many years later, of course, it's authortative regime. >> i don't know it's just cuba. i'm not going to forget he aimed nuclear missiles at new york. not triple a fire. aimed at new york. for the purpose of counter balancing our threat to the soviet union. >> right, and chris, also don't forget, in a state like florida, and in ohio and in illinois, the way the democratic vote is lining up, hill vary is appeali to older voters, and bernie is appealing to younger voters down the line. the millennials don't know anything about the history of cuba and think it's cool to go to havana and see the old cars.
we're back with the "hardball" round table. tell me something i don't know. >> billionaire paul singer who supports marco rubio is convening a meeting with other major donors just a couple of days after the florida primary. they're going to discuss the way forward, which if marco rubio loses in florida and john kasich loses in ohio, means that they're going to be discussing whether to go in with trump, or whether to sit on the sidelines,
which could be a huge, free pass for hillary clinton if they're not spending money on ads attacking her. >> wow. let's go to erin. erin mcpike. >> the 4.3 active voters, 1 million have already voted. also, marco rubio's internal polling shows him within six points of trump. closing fast there. >> down in florida. >> yes. that's right. yes. >> wow. howard? >> well, chris, donald trump has a very interesting controversial campaign manager named corey lewandowski who was accused today of shoving a reporter from bright bar, leaving that aside, there are people, even within trump's own family, who are not fans of lewandowski, because he has a very short fuse, and has tried to keep everybody from direct contact with the boss,
except him. look for some more controversy coming out of the internal circle of donald trump over the next days and weeks. >> i think there is a call for you from him right now, howard. just kidding. any way, thank you. >> my phone is ringing. let me get my cell phone. >> thank you, all. still ahead, he plays white house chief of staff, the hugely popular house of cards, michael kelly talking presidential politics in the frank underwood administration. this is "hardball," the place for politics.
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blink. blink. >> well, we're back. that was a scene from season four of the popular netflix series, house of cards. striking parallels, you might say to the real life drama of the 2016 presidential campaign, including a brokered convention, supreme court fight and of course, the wife of the president would craves her own political ambitions. actor michael kelly, my favorite in the show, who you saw in the opening scene, he actually didn't kill a guy for once. plays doug stamper, enforcer. here is another scene from season four of house of cards. >> you sent the photo of the rebel soldier. >> that's not true.
>> personal phone, off the premises. >> maybe somebody hacked my account or something. >> are you really going to keep lying to me? i could have you nothing you can prove. now threaten me again. >> michael kelly joins me. you're one of those geniuses. what i love about the series, i think it's far darker than reality. if anybody thinks this is as bad as this, i'm sorry. you bury somebody, i don't know
if she's alive or not in country. this stuff, it's not that bad. do you think it is? do you think politics is this bad? >> no, thank god. i've spent enough time on the hill to know it's not that bad. tell me what's true. self-interest is true. i know members of congress who plot 20 to 30 years ahead that will be chairman of the committee. they think way ahead about self-interest. the violence part is not as direct. >> no. thank god. we always joke about beau being clairvoyant. writers write these things a year out. things come to light that parallel the political events of
our country. this year it's never more specifically than what we're having with the primaried running run i ing in our country. >> what's it's like working with spacey? >> it's amazing. this is a man i've looked up to my entire career. i've admired his work. i was like i'm going to get to go and learn from kevin spacey every single day. i couldn't ask for anybody more. i couldn't ask for a better boss. the fact he's so much fun to be around. you see the scenes. we all come prepared to work. it's something that was set from the beginning. we come there and ready to work. when we have down time, kevin is always the ring leader in having fun.
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you want it. it's so incredible. >> kathy and i, we did chocolate chip cookies and run out. we still say let's watch one more tonight. it gets about 12:30 in the morning. why are we going this? >> it's so good. >> thank you. thanks so much for coming on. >> you can catch all of season 4 of "house of cards" on netflix. you can start now for the next 13 hours. let we finish with the interactive aspect of the trump rally. you're watching hardball. when you think about success, what does it look like? is it becoming a better professor by being a me adnturous student? is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves? is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders
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let me finish with the interactive aspect of a trump rally. he says something, the audience blasts back. he talks tough about wishing he could punch someone. they cheer in agreement. thousands get it. tens of thousands get it. it sticks. they know they are watching a master showman. they like what trump is saying. he's part of the show. so is joining in the cat calling when someone is in the process of getting bounced. when trump goes further and say don't give them their coats back
it's cold outside. they cheer that too. it's fun. he's threatening people with paying a price for interrupting the performance. there's a risk. now we know what the price is to be paid when one person in that crowd hooting and hollering and joining in taunting throws a punch. sees his chance to inflict physical harm. we all know about mob behavior. it's about how individuals begin to act differently when caught up in a mob scene. we have seen it in the best of demonstrations. i felt it myself in demonstrating in the vietnam war. you feel something that comes with the rage of the crowd. the usual restraints don't hold. this is where the leader needs to lead. this is where the person better take account of what he's risking because if the rhetoric is really for show, it's meant to express a political rage, not
call to violence. not everyone gets the message. that's when the trouble gets serious. that's hardball for now. tune in 11:00 p.m. when i'll be back with a post-debate show about republicans in their face off in miami. monday, watch our hardball town hall with secretary hillary clinton. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in." violence at trump rallies getting worse. >> next time we see him, we might have to kill him. >> an arrest is made and the man assaulted a eed at a trump camp vent is speaking out. a female reporter is roughed up. >> no one wants to be touched and violated. why ted cruz is evolving his convention talk. >> a contested convention is a different thing. >> a rli