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imagine where it will take you. ♪ good morning. i'm chris jansing here at the root cafe in lakewood, ohio. on this very busy weekend before those critical primaries, including the one here, we are now standing by for a donald trump rally set to begin in ohio shortly. it will be trump's first campaign appearance since these violent clashes between his supporters and protesters in chicago last night. it all happened at the university of illinois-chicago pavilion after a planned appearance by trump was cancelled. the chicago fire department said it transported three people to the hospital with minor injuries, including a police officer who needed stitches after he was struck in the head by a bottle. the chicago police department said five people in all were arrested. now, there's an important
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unanswered question here. why was the event cancelled in the first place? trump says it was fear of violence. chicago pd denied they suggested that, and say, in fact, they told the campaign they had more than enough resources to handle it. now, this morning, trump denies he is in any way responsible for what happened. tweeting, "the organized group of people, many of them thugs who shut down our first amendment rights in chicago, have totally energized america." but as republican rivals blame him for the escalating tensions at his events. >> it tells you that in many ways, he doesn't want to say anything to his supporters, because he doesn't want to turn them off, because he understands that the reach why they are voting for him is because he has tapped into this anger. the problem is latership has never been about taking people's anger and using it to get them to vote for you. if it is, it's a dangerous style leadership. >> donald trump has created a toxic environment, and a toxic environment has allowed his supporters and those who
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sometimes seek confrontation to come together in violence. there is no place for this. there is no place for a national leader to prey on the fears of people who live in our great country. >> when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have a campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nastiness. >> all of this now raising concerns at the rally that's about to start. and raising questions about how trump will handle it. so i want to go now to nbc news halle jackson, at that trump rally in dayton, ohio. halley, lay the ground work. how big is the crowd? is it a mix of supporters and protesters, and most importantly, what's the mood there? >> reporter: so we'll take those
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questions in order, chris. we asked for a capacity count. if it you have seen the shot, you know it is absolutely packed. hundreds of people here. i will tell you most of them appear, at least at this point, to be supporters, unlike what we saw in chicago last night. when it was clear that protesters had taken over sections of the arena of the location where the rally was happening. as for the mood, i'll be honest. it's a saturday morning and it feels like a saturday morning. it feels more low-key than what you may have seen yesterday night in chicago or in st. louis. that could be potentially because of the time. it could also potentially be because of the location in the suburbs out here of dayton, ohio, chris. >> so tell us a little bit about what we're expecting there today. at least for all intents and purposes, this is just supposed to be a standard rally. standard stump speech. >> reporter: standard stump speech. typically. any other day it might be. except for the timing of this. this is the first time we will be seeing donald trump at a rally like this since he cancelled that event last night. so we can be sure that he will
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be talking about it. he's already tweeted about it this morning. he went on msnbc last night, called in with chris matthews and talked about why he had cancelled that campaign event in chicago, saying he wanted to make sure people didn't get hurt or worse. so there will be a different kind of tone or atmosphere, potentially, around donald trump's comments today. and people here know about this, chris. people here have seen the footage from chicago. we have been talking to people in the crowd. many of them say they weren't concerned about coming here, they did not have safety concerns. they wanted to see trump, they wanted to see the spectacle of all of this. remember, we're at a hangar where donald trump in the past has done fly-byes, i guess, on his jet, which the crowd often loves. i did speak with one woman who said she was a little anxious about coming here, but she wanted to see donald trump. she's considering supporting him here in ohio. and she felt if she kept in her words her mouth shut, she would be okay. what's interesting too, chris, is the reaction you're hearing today from other candidates and
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late last night. trump's opponents. every single one of them now, republican and democrat, weighing in on his remarks. including ted cruz. you played that sound bite, and his phrasing there, he affirmatively -- cruz accusing trump of affirmatively encouraging violence, essentially ininviting violence. you heard him, when there's protesters, "get them out," he says, he talked about punching or in the old days, carried out on stretchers. so let's see what we're watching for today, two things. one, will he be interrupted again as he is so often at his rallies. and two, if that happens, how will he react, chris? >> nbc's halle jackson in dayton, ohio. thank you so much. now i want to go to chicago and msnbc's tremaine lee. [ no audio ] >> i lost it. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future.
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you're going to look right now at that podium. but it is a really huge scene there for donald trump, as it often is for his rallies. this one in dayton, ohio, in it a critically important point in this campaign. a weekend that is jam-packed full of events for candidates on both sides of the aisle. there you see they're waiting for the trump jet to arrive. and all of this on the heels of two rallies yesterday. one in st. louis, where there were violent clashes. another in chicago, where it was cancelled, because trump said of concerns of clashes. and then there were some confrontations, five people arrested. and now this will be the first time we have a chance to hear from donald trump since then in this critically important battleground state of ohio. and joining me now is
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representative tim ryan of ohio, who is supporting hillary clinton. but let me get your take on what's going on on the republican side. how do you view what's happening? >> well, i think we could all see this coming. i mean, this was just slowly escalating, slowing building. and donald trump has created this environment. there's no doubt about it. when you start pitting us versus them and we versus they, then you're ultimately going to get this kind of clash that happens at the rallies. and he incites it. he throws gasoline on the fire. he's not a uniter, he's a divider. and when you keep dividing in a political and economic atmosphere we have today, at some point, when you're saying from the stage, i want to punch that guy in the face -- now, you may be a high-minded guy from wharton school of business and you know you're trying to incite people, but there are people that take that and actually go to your rallies and try to punch somebody in the face. and he says, you know, i can't believe this is happening. >> here's what his campaign will say. his campaign will say these
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protesters are very well-organized, they have been on facebook, they have been getting this big response. they're getting people to come to these rallies to shout, to cause trouble. to rile up, essentially, the donald trump supporters. is there some validity to that? >> well, if someone is insulting you in public that's running for political office, demeaning you, insulting you, wanting you thrown out of the country, lumping you in with the worst elements of our society, no matter what you've done or not done, and then you don't want them to come and protest, they're americans too. they have every right to go to any rally they want and they have first amendment rights too, i hate to tell donald trump. that may be annoying to him because he doesn't have a bunch of people telling him exactly what he wants to hear, which obviously he's had for the last 60 years, maybe, of his life. now you -- welcome to the public, donald, and people have a right to voice their opinion, as well. >> you say you're a hillary clinton supporter, a democrat. let me get your analysis on the
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big picture here in ohio. you have a situation where john kasich, who by all rights, given his organization, given his popularity in this state, should be winning. but he's locked in what is an incredibly close race. >> right. >> does this make a difference when people go to the polls on tuesday here in ohio? how will they judge what's going on inside the trump campaign? >> i think the general sensibility of ohio people, which you know a lot about, is a moderate voice, a moderate tone, a moderate approach. even if you may be very conservative or very liberal, we don't like destabilizing political environments, destabilizing economic environments. people around here are polite, they're kind-hearted. and i think that if you're -- if you fit into that category, you're kind of leaning towards trump or maybe go to trump, and you see what's happening here in the last couple of days, escalating over weeks. but in the last night or two, i think you're really going to hesitate before you go in there and say, "do we really want someone who is going to make matters worse in america."
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>> do you have any concern as a congressman from ohio about the rally that is about to take place? >> not really. i was actually in dayton the other night with president clinton. a great community. cleveland is a great community. i heard he's maybe doing something up here. we've had a lot of tough rulings, political and judiciary rulings in cities around our state. and our communities hang tough and did not act out and in really violent ways. i hope and think and my inclination is, things will be fine in ohio. >> so put on your more independent political hat. what do you make of the fact that donald trump is doing so well here, given everything you've just said to me? >> it's tough for me to do that three days before an election, chris. but i'll try. he's speaking to the anxiety and the anger to some extent of how people feel that the system has let them down. >> in a way, you can his point. he believes that sometimes it is the level of frustration with
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washington with, frankly, barack obama and hillary clinton, who he links together. is that frustration with them that's causing this. >> i think it's easy to pin it on a political figure or two. we have globalization. we have huge technological advances. we have cultural issues happening. trying to raise kids in an environment where they're getting so much information and so much technology, and things you don't want them to know at an early age. on every front, we're being frustrated with how we function in today's society. and so preying on people is not the sign of leadership. leadership is what hillary clinton is doing. acknowledging the anger and the frustration. we're all angry. a lot of sports in ohio, right? i would be angry after a football game that we lost in high school and organized sports. yeah, you would be angry for a little while and then you go watch film. you put a game plan together. you figure out what do we do wrong, what can we now do right to lead us to a successful
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outcome. and hillary clinton is the one who has the plan about tapping into the biotechnology market in cleveland, or the additive manufacturing market in youngstown or in akron. she's the one with really plans to help us get out of it. so, yes, acknowledge the anger. that's fine. we're all appearing re. we're all anxious. what's the road home? and donald trump just throws gas on the fire, has no solutions. you watch him on the debate. he doesn't know what he's talking about. i mean, let's be honest with each other here. he's just got a line for everything. and he goes back to how can i make someone angry, how can i blame washington, how can i blame barack obama, how can i blake ted cruz. how can i blame marco rubio and having a food fight. and people in ohio want real answers. >> people in ohio i talk to who are trump supporters, i should say, like he's a billionaire businessman, think he will create jobs. there is some pain in certain pockets of ohio. let me ask you -- >> the message has not gotten
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out. four bankruptcies. the guy started a mortgage company a year-and-a-half before the mortgage collapse. i don't think he's shown a great deal of business sense. if you put the money he inherited into the i.r.a. or stock market, he would have almost as much money as warren buffett as opposed to what he has. so the debate is up. i will say this too. he's for right to work, which would gut labor unions in ohio. he is has said numerous occasions, wages are too high in america. he's not for minimum wage. now democrats aren't campaigning against donald trump. we're not talking about his bankruptcies. we're not talking about him starting a mortgage company a year-and-a-half before. we're not talking about his views on labor, organized labor issues. and once those folks in the building trades and the labor organizations hear he's for taking their right to collectively bargain away, they're going to have a much different view. because it goes right to the pocketbook. it's not this incendiary stuff.
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it's about pocketbook issues. and if he is the nominee, we'll be spending a good deal of time educating those members about where he really stands on the issues. >> as we wait for donald trump's plane to land near dayton, ohio, and i should also say we are waiting for bernie sanders, who has a news conference coming up, let me get your take on this the sanders belief that based on what happened in michigan and polling that was so far off, they think they have a really good chance against hillary clinton here, and in illinois. what's your sense on the ground. a lot of people, including democrats, who support hillary clinton that i talked to, think it's a much closer race than the polls would let on. >> i think it is going to be a close race. our internal polling in michigan had it a lot closer than the national polls. so we weren't necessarily surprised it was as close as it was. but i think she has a couple of real advantages here in ohio. they have a long history here. ohio did really well under bill clinton. 2008, secretary clinton beat barack obama in ohio in the primary. pretty significantly. about 55-45. a lot of those folks are still
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around. very energetic. and at that point, she didn't have the african-american community. so today, in this primary, she's got two major forces in the african-american community. congresswoman marcia fudge and joyce beatty. they have been in several terms. but fairly new. they're not a 30-year congress person who lost touch with the community. they are very involved and have a lot of sway and influence over the african-american vote. and both of those women are working extremely hard for hillary clinton. so she's going to have that. and not to mention, as i said earlier, we don't want someone to come back to ohio and tell us how bad things are. we want someone to come to ohio and say we know how bad things are. here's what we're going to do about it. and hillary clinton's plans, one example, clean energy. she doesn't talk about clean energy as we just need to have a clean environment and global warming. she talks about how that transfers into manufacturing jobs in ohio. so there's 8,000 component parts
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in a windmill. there's gear shifts, there's hydraulics, there's a mile of rebar, there's a mile of concrete. she talks about it in a way that this is how we resuscitate manufacturing in ohio. and at the end of the day, that's what we want. we want solutions, not just rhetoric. >> congressman tim ryan, really good of you to come in. thank you so much. and, again, we continue to wait here in ohio for that donald trump campaign rally to get under way very shortly. again, his first chance to talk about the criticism he's gotten from everybody else who is running for president about what has gone on at his rallies and whether he may be partly to blame. we're also awaiting a bernie sanders press conference that's coming up in chicago. so very busy morning on this critical weekend in the presidential campaign. stay with msnbc, the place for politics. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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face. do you know what we used to do like guys like that? they would be carried out on a stretcher, folks. get out of here, get out of here! look at these people. get out of here, get out! out, out, out! get out! you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously. okay? just knock the hell -- i promise you, i will pay for the legal fees. >> and those are just some of the examples that critics point to when they say donald trump bears some responsibility for the violence that we have seen at his rallies that has been escalating until last night in chicago when five people were arrested after a rally was delayed. and then eventually cancelled. we are awaiting now trump's rally this morning in dayton, ohio. we have msnbc reporters out in the field. tremaine lee and alley ali
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vitale, where he cancelled last night, because of security concerns something the chicago pd dense. let's start with nbc's kerry sanders, in cleveland. where as we said, donald trump will have an event later today, after that dayton event. we've already seen cars going into there. some of the people showing up were protesters. what are they saying? >> reporter: i have had a chance to speak to people. we're going to talk to one here in a moment. there is a steady flow of people coming in here. many of them in cars. some on foot. you can see in the video here we took moments ago, some of those people coming in on foot with signs. and those signs are signs of protest. now some people who will come here today may not be holding up signs until they get inside and decide to protest. these folks clearly have a point that they would like to make. among them, saying trump hates muslims love. one of the people who actually saw them coming here and got out of his car to talk is gary. gary, it says veteran here, you
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were in the air force, in the army, served in vietnam and bosnia. you started speaking to them. what did you say to them? >> well, i simply asked them, have you read the koran? do you have any idea? they have never read it. >> so as a trump supporter, you're here today. are you offended they're here today, do you welcome their point of view? >> no, i agree -- trump has got it right. you can protest, free speech. but when you interfere with other people who are coming to hear somebody, then you're interfering in my right. >> so when you saw what happened in chicago, and clearly there are high emotions. >> right. >> how do you feel about the likelihood of just a calm gathering here today, and while some people may speak their mind that is contrary to trump, that it won't result in what we saw? >> i don't know. i kind of expect it might happen. i hope it doesn't. chicago was absolutely a setup. george soros is spending
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millions to fund these people. bill aers is there, funding it. trump is simply saying what the founders of our country said. the founders signed the constitution. everybody who signed that constitution, almost everybody, was attacked after they signed it. their families destroyed their property. by people that come to these rallies. not all of them. but some of them who want that. they don't want trump. but they don't know why. these protesters, i said, have you read the koran. >> thank you very much. okay, gary, i appreciate it. i know you're going in. donald trump is scheduled to be here at 2:00. chris, of course, we do know that he's running behind schedule. not too far away in dayton. he'll likely be behind schedule here. but as you can see, people were lined up here. a good five and a half hours early today, maybe even longer. and it will be a packed house, based on the number of cars and number of people that i've seen showing up here. again, the police are not detailing what they plan to do to keep the peace. they have decided they're going
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to turn over all public comment to the mayor here and the mayor spokesman says there is not going to be a comment about security. among those i've spoken to here who are members of the law enforcement community, but not officially able to speak, they say they are prepared. chris? >> nbc's kerry sanders in cleveland, where we hope there will be a peaceful rally later today. let's go to chicago now, where msnbc's tremaine lee has been. i know you were there yesterday. you were talking to protesters on the ground at that rally in st. louis yesterday. before what happened in chicago last night. and i think it is important to point out that the vast majority of people who come to these rallies are peaceful, but there were these violent clashes. what are you hearing about what exactly happened? >> reporter: even as republicans are lining up to disavow what we have seen as escalating tension and violence at these donald trump rallies, folks on the
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ground feel there is most certainly been a line drawn in the sand, a very evident line between the protesters and supporters. of course passions are running high on either side. one thing that is kind of concerning, as you mentioned, most people are peaceful on both sides. we're not just talking about fringe elements here. you see people out are their families, grown men and women, grandparents. and a lot of the supporters cheering as donald trump tells his security to get 'em out of here. as protesters are being dragged out of venues, the kind of eruption through the crowd and excitement. in turn, that sparks even more anger on the other side. and so what you're seeing is not only -- is this tension palpable, it's spreading. and so as this kind of fire has been sparked, now how far more can they pull it back, or is that the well of anger that we have seen, how deep is it? and, again, i think it's not just what happened in chicago last night or st. louis earlier in the day. you go to north carolina before that. every single stop, it seems, or
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every other stop, escalation continues to rise. and that's what has been troubling. now we're starting to invite supporters who may be a little rabid. you're inviting protesters who may be a little rabid. and when those two forces collide, we've seen exactly what has been happening. >> so tremaine, tell us a little about what their strategy is. i know they have argued for people to come to some of these rallies on facebook. they've gotten together to make signs and those kinds of things. look, free speech, is what america is about and a lot of them upset from what they have heard from donald trump. what is their goal? what are they doing in terms of organizing? what's the plan? >> reporter: well, i think it depends on which city you're talking about. when you talk about st. louis, there's already kind of this home-grown organizing around not just black lives matter and justice for michael brown, but against police brutality and violence. if you come to a place like chicago, it's very much the same after the killing of la kwan
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mcdonald and rahm emanuel, the state's attorney. so while people congeal around the general pushback to donald trump, they're connected more so in the sense that donald trump is reinforcing these ideas of the us and them. you know, keep the brown people out of this country from mexico. keep muslims out. and when you start using descriptions as donald trump has as thugs and coated language that is very racially incendiary, that's more what this effort is about. people organizing to push back against that. >> msnbc's tremaine lee in chicago. thank you very much for that. also in chicago, nbc news campaign ali vitale who witnessed last night's event. so ali, first-person, tell us what you saw? >> reporter: well, immediately when we talked into the arena, we saw there were very clear groups of people planning on protesting. i actually got to talk to a few of them and asked them why they were there. it's the same reason i hear from protesters in every other state. they are hear because there were
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anti immigration protesters there, people pushing back against his temporary ban on muslims. people there from black lives matter. so a large range of motivations that brought people out there. their general goal was to disrupt trump. and in the end, they obviously did just that. what we saw actually before the rally was even set to start, it was supposed to start at 6:00 and, of course, did end up getting cancelled. before that start time, we saw protesters being escorted out, people clashing with supporters already on the ground there, and being escorted out before the rally even started. that was our tip-off we knew it was going to be a tense rally, which we have seen now for the last few weeks. immediately as the cancellation was announced, we saw jubilation, excitement, lots of celebration. and the word i used last night to best describe it was pandemonium. people started -- they went crazy, really. and we saw supporters mixing with protesters. obviously, we started seeing things get very violent, people shoving, pushing. that's a lot of the pictures we're seeing in the past few
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hours rolling out since last night and a lot of cause for discussion. we have seen tension before, but never to this point. never in this amount, this large number of protesters, obviously, inside the arena and spilling out on to the street afterwards. >> ali vitale in chicago for us, continuing to cover that campaign. thank you very much. so again, we are waiting for the trump rally to begin in dayton, ohio. it was supposed to start at the top of the hour. at least a half hour behind. they haven't even landed near the hangar. as she has pointed out, we have seen these rallies interrupted by protesters. we'll see what happens today. and watching very carefully to see how he'll respond to the events of the last 12 hours or 24 hours or so. when we come back, we'll hear more about what the campaigns of john kasich and bernie sanders have to say about the latest turmoil on the trail. the flu virus hits big. with aches, chills, and fever,
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it is 10:35 here on the east coast. i'm chris jansing coming live to you from lakewood, ohio. when it comes to politics, there's real-time and campaign time. we have been waiting for two big events to start this morning. one of them with bernie sanders, who is about to hold a press conference. the other here in ohio, in dayton, where we are awaiting the arrival of donald trump. the first time we will hear from him since he cancelled that event last night in chicago. joining me now from man chester is former senator from new hampshire, john sununu, co chair of the john kasich campaign. good to see you, chairman, good morning. >> hi, chris. good morning to you. >> so john kasich took a pretty hard line against trump's rhetoric after what we saw last night and yesterday during the day, as well. in st. louis. and i'm wondering what your take on this is. and is it a step too far from people, including the candidates who are saying that donald trump has contributed to this violence? >> well, unfortunately, there's
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no question about that. it's angry rhetoric, incriteriaful language, islam hates america. he offers to pay the legal bills of someone who punches a protester. every campaign has protesters at their events, john kasich, ted cruz, all of them. bernie sanders, i'm sure the same. the question is, one, how do you deal with it, how do you handle it. and two, what's your rhetoric? what are you telling the public about your vision for the country? how do you solve problems? and donald trump has preyed on a lot of the dissent and the anger, and fermented it. it's unfortunate it has come to this, but i do think it's representative of the kind of campaign he's waged. >> so what's your sense of what this might mean, and this critical series of primaries on tuesday? particularly here in ohio, which as you know, is a do or die for
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john kasich. and do you think that given the history, which is, frankly, nothing has stuck to donald trump that people thought would. that this will make a difference. >> well, i don't know. look, this is about the voters making their choice. john kasich has run a campaign, talking about the need to turn the country around, balanced budgets, cut taxes, restore america's standing of the world. and these are things that he's done before. whether in ohio or in washington. he's always done what he said he's going to do. and he obviously has the experience to provide leadership. donald trump, on the other hand, of course, he's not experienced, but what you're seeing in this dissent and this public violence, unfortunately, i think is an indication that there's no way he's going to be able to bring the country together and win a general election for republicans. that's what this is all about. we need a republican who will win ohio and new hampshire and colorado and virginia. and poll after poll has shown,
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donald trump is the worst republican candidate against hillary clinton. and i think one of the big reasons is the kind of anger and dissent and decisiveness you're witnessing today. on the other hand, john kasich, without question, poll after poll has shown is the strongest candidate republicans can put up against hillary clinton. you talk to the people in ohio, we have seen it, 400,000 new jobs created. a state that's been turned around from an $8 billion deficit to a $2 billion surplus. so there's -- look, there's a great contrast here. at the end of the day, i think the voters are going to decide. and i believe they'll see the leadership and division of john kasich is the leadership we need in washington right now. >> so let me ask you, finally, why you think it's so close here. he is very popular here. his organization is there in every single county in this state. so why is he being given such a run for his money by donald trump? >> well, look, you're talking about a republican primary.
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there are lots of different people, lots of different points of view. you point out, john kasich's popularity in ohio is the highest of any governor and any state in america. 79%, i think, was the last poll that i saw. that speaks to his success -- >> numbers for people who say they'll vote for him. >> we'll see. we'll see. the last poll i saw had john kasich ahead. i think he'll do very well. i think he'll win ohio. i think we'll wendell gats in north carolina. we will win delegates in illinois. who is the republican best able to beat hillary clinton in november, and that's obviously john kasich. so look, i think he's going to win ohio. i know he's going to win ohio. he's going to win delegates in other states. this is going to continue. it's uncharted territory, frankly. it doesn't look likely that anyone, even donald trump or ted cruz, is going to have enough delegates to claim victory at the convention. and i think that's going to reinforce the need to find the
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republican who will beat hillary clinton in november. and that's john kasich. >> former new hampshire senator, john sununu. it's good to see you again. thanks so much for coming on the program. >> great to be with you, chris. thank you. also joining me now, former ohio state senator, nina turner, who is the surrogate for bernie sanders. it's good to see you, senator. it's been a while. let me get your impression of how all of this is impacting the democratic side of the campaign. we heard hillary clinton make some pretty strong statements about this. i think that bernie sanders yesterday was kind of studiously avoiding some of the questions about donald trump. we're waiting for this press conference to start. would you expect him to make a strong statement about what we're seeing on the republican side? >> yeah, i think he will, chris. and i don't think he was avoiding it. he has spoken out against the environment that mr. trump has been creating for quite some time. and as we see, mr. trump continues to amp up folks in a way that is unbecoming of this
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country. and i know that we're quick to point the finger at him. but let us not forget that in the dna of this country, chris, is racism. and the fact that that is coming to the surface now, we as a country have to deal with that, and him as a leader, he should not be stoking those flames. i think you are going to hear the area is senator say something about that this morning. he has been talking about it all along. >> do you think that that is what underlies a lot of this back and forth violence, scuffles? it ranges from them pushing and shoving to we have seen some people who have ended up blooded at these events? do you think there is underlying racism? >> chris, there is no doubt about it. look at what happened as soon as the first african-american president was elected. president obama. all of those underlying tendencies that this country has -- i know we like to wax poetic about the founding fathers and of course they wrote some eloquent words.
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let us not forget, there were not african-americans at that table, there were no native americans at that table, there were no women at that table, there were no latinos at that table. this country was founded on racism and sexism, point blank. and we need to admit that. it would be one thing if mr. trump was standing alone but he is not standing alone. so we need a leader that is going to speak to our higher selves, and that leader is senator bernie sanders. but we cannot dill lewd ourselves, chris. this is real. this feeling, this sentiment in this country, is real. >> there's no doubt that hillary clinton has done spectacularly well in most states with the african-american vote. and although we have seen in some places some gains by bernie sanders, they would have to be significantly better for people to say, really, that he will be able to be the person who is best suited to run against whoever the republican nominee is. so i wonder what is the message you think from bernie sanders that has not yet fully resonated
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in the african-american community that will need to if he is, indeed, going to beat hillary clinton? >> well, chris, he is the best leader. we know the polls and the general, the head-to-head contest shows he beats every single republican handily. but i will say this. he is a senator from vermont. he cannot control those demographics. when the african-american community starts to hear his message, his story, he does not have the benefit of a national profile. he does not have the benefit of a spouse who was a former president, and who was very popular. the african-american community tends to be very brand-loyal. and that is predominantly what is going on here. if it the african-american community really stepped back and takes a look at the real record of the clintons, there is no way in the world that they would be overwhelmingly supporting her in the way that they are. but senator sanders has a record, because he was arrested, as you know, as a young man in chicago, fighting against segregation and discrimination. he was very progressive before progressive was cool, standing up for our gay, lesbian, sisters
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and brothers. you know, he has that agreement. when i saw him in cleveland, that was an overwhelmingly african-american community. you could hear that caller response going that he is starting to connect. so this is far from over. we still have over 30 states to go, chris. and in many, many ways, he is still telling his story to the african-american communities, and others in this country, that he does have the heart, soul agreement, arrested standing up for social justice, and rights in this country. at a time where folks who are not looking at him in that way as a young person. that speaks to his integrity, and that also speaks to the fact that he is in this, in this to give americans a real choice and to change the dynamics in this country. talking about the poor when very few democrats want to talk about the poor. talking about making sure that children -- my god, that the children in this country know they don't have to great in debt in one hand and a degree in the other. and chris, to talk about
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universal health care as a moral imperative in this country. we know african-american community disproportionately almost diseases -- we have the wryest rates of death and high blood pressure and cancer and those things. so he's fighting for it, chris. we are absolutely out there fighting for it. >> former ohio state senator, nina turner, thanks so much for being on the program. appreciate it. >> thank you. and coming up next, we'll get reaction from marco rubio to the violence at trump's chicago rally, and we're still waiting for the rally in dayton, ohio. we'll have it for you, when it happens, live, on the place for politics, msnbc. we'll be right back. thanks man. imagine if the things you bought every day... ...earned you miles to get to the places you really want to go. with the united mileageplus explorer card, you'll get a free checked bag, two united club passes, priority boarding, and 30,000 bonus miles.
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running almost an hour late for an event there. his first rally since there was violence yesterday in st. louis, and then he cancelled that rally last night in chicago. saying he worried that there could be further violence, even though chicago pd said they never suggested that to him. in fact, they felt they had all the resources they needed to keep it under control. all of this has really added to the campaign rhetoric on the other side. already a number of events this morning, including one by marco rubio. so i want to go to nbc news correspondent, gabe gutierrez in key largo, florida, covering the rubio campaign. let's talk about his reaction about everything going on, gabe. >> reporter: hi, chris, good morning. well, as you can see behind me, what a sharp contrast, both in message and in crowd size. marco rubio rally just wrapping up less than an hour ago. it's already cleared out, a sharp contrast to the many thousands of people to show up on trufr's rallies.
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the headline today, marco rubio was visibly frustrated when he spoke with reporters just before this rally. he was asked if he could still continue to support the republican nominee for president if it was donald trump. of course, the three other republican candidates besides trump made that fledge in the last republican debate. and this morning, marco rubio kind of just threw his hands up and said, "i don't know." he said, "at this point i still continue -- i intend to continue to support the republican nominee, but it's getting harder every day." then he told this crowd that this is owe foe following the violence last night in chicago, that he worries that this is what the conservative movement and the republican party will be defined by if donald trump is, in fact, the nominee for the republican party. so, chris, a very frustrated marco rubio today. i spoke with several people in the crowd who are also frustrated by last night's violence. the question will be, can rubio gain enough traction here to make up the ground here in his home state of florida ahead of
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tuesday's primary. chris? >> we saw the devastating pictures a few days ago of just a few hundred people at a rally that he had in hialeah in a stadium that has been holding thousands. have his crowd sizes changed at all, now especially this morning, since it is the weekend and people aren't working? >> reporter: yeah. i mean, you're right. that rally in hialeah, a stadium that held several thousand, and several hundred showed up. it was a little disappointing. it wasn't hialeah, a place with a lot of cuban-american voters, really rubio's home turf. here where we're at, yes, a saturday morning. and a weekend. he has several events, though, throughout the state of florida today. we're heading to one in tampa in just a short time. and then he has one in pensacola later on today. tomorrow he has one outside of orlando. the rubio campaign says it is 100% committed to florida. yesterday made some headlines by urging voters who oppose trump
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in ohio to vote for john kasich there, to deny trump the delegates, 66 delegates in the winner take all state of ohio. 99 delegates, however, up for grabs here in florida. and the rubio campaign has really staked its entire campaign on doing well here in florida. but if you look at the polls, rubio is down anywhere from 6 percentage points to 23 percentage points. the campaign is not putting any stock on that, saying they are 100% committed to florida. but chris, again today, the news marco rubio just is so frustrated with what's going on with the rhetoric employed by donald trump. i should make the point, however, he also says that partly to blame are some of the protesters in the event last night. what he called paid protesters in chicago. but still, he had some very strong words for donald trump. and so have the other two republican candidates in this race. chris? >> nbc's gabe gutierrez in largo, florida, on the other side you see the trump plane as we wait for his campaign event to start here in ohio.
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in dayton, ohio, donald trump has just taken the stage at a campaign rally at an airport hangar. here it is. >> i bought it with my father and worked out well. i stayed here, ran the job myself. i was very, very young and i sold it for this, and i looked good and felt good. it's like sinking that first putt or getting a home run your first time at bat. so i always had a great feeling for ohio. and the people are amazing people. thank you. i love you. [ cheers and applause ] look at these people. i don't know if the media is getting this. here we have a full hangar. and this is a big, big hangar. this can take just about anything. and we figured the crowd would be okay.
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and we have so many thousands of people extra that we had to put them out in the runway, right? [ cheers and applause ] they never want to capture that. just so you understand. they never want to. so it's really fantastic. let's address -- thank you, darling. i love you too, darling. [ cheers and applause ] amazing. this is amazing. so let's address yesterday. should we? yeah. so look, we had a tremendous rally in chicago planned. we were going to have over 25,000 people. the arena was seating about 11,000. we had registered much more than 25,000. so what we did -- that's all right. that's okay. i understand. you are loyal to other places and that's okay.
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but what happened, it was very interesting. so what happened -- and these were great people. these are people like yourselves. these were people that want to make america great again. that's all it is. very simple. and they were pouring into the arena. good arena. everything nice. and all of a sudden, a planned attack just came out of nowhere. printed by -- and it was printed by people that were professional people. if you look at the posters, they're all printed, they have a mark on them, who made them. all done by a group, all very professionally done. a disgrace, if you want to know the truth. and with these thousands of people -- and fortunately, we're able to let a lot of them know, don't go. because we would have had a problem like you wouldn't have believed. just like big nick over here. he would have been in there -- they would have wiped him out and that would not have been good. and we made -- and we made a decision. we said -- and i hated to do this, because frankly, it would have been easier to go. but i didn't want to see anybody
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get hurt. you would have had a problem like they haven't seen in a long time. because we have people that are so amazing. and it's not necessarily loyal to me. it's loyal to the country. we want to see things happen. we want to see things happen. and they're loyal to the country. it's okay. usa is right. [ cheers and applause ] they're loyal. they're loyal to the country. they want great security. they want great military. they want to take care of their vets. they want a border, they want a wall. [ cheers and applause ] >> audience: build that wall, build that wall, build that wall, build that wall! >> we're going to build a wall, folks. don't worry about it. [ cheers and applause ]
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who is going to pay for the wall? who? >> audience: mexico! >> do we have a good time? we have a good time. you know, it's sort of interesting. i watched -- well, i shouldn't say it. but i watched little marco and i watched lyin' ted cruz. lyin' ted! he holds up that bible, and then he puts it down, and he lies! lyin' ted. even rubio said, "boy, he's a liar! he lies about everything." and you know, i have the evangelical vote. and i've had great support from jerry falwell jr., sarah palin. we have such unbelievable support. but i have the evangelical vote. and i won in south carolina. we did so well. and he was supposed to win in south carolina. and i won in a landslide, and we got the evangelicals. you know why?
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because they don't like liars! right? true. so anyway. so -- but they said, just as i was coming in, i'm watching the news, and they said, well, at our rallies, we would never have anything like that. they don't have any people at their rallies, folks. nobody there. nobody cares! if they had this hangar that had about four people in the corner over there, in that corner office. you know. and they'll call it a town hall meeting. you ever notice? they say town hall meetings. they always say, why don't you have more town hall meetings. i say, because i have too many people! can't have them. so anyway -- [ cheers and applause ] i actually like to have a couple town hall meetings. but we would have turn away how many people? 24,000? we'll turn away 24,000 people. so what happened yesterday was
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incredible. we dealt with law enforcement. so good, so good. we love our police. do we love our police? [ cheers and applause ] but we dealt with law enforcement at every level. secret service, great. the whole group. and it was determined that if we go in, it could cause really bad, bad vibes. and you have to understand, they want me to tell my people, please be nice. be nice. my people are nice. the people that came there were so nice. and let me tell you. the people that were there that came there, that were invited there, thousands and thousands of people, they caused no problem. they were taunted. they were harassed by these other people. these other people, by the way, some represented bernie, our communist friend. [ booing ] now, really, bernie should it tell his people, there weren't too many hillary people there. you know why. i mean, in all fairness to bernie.
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the reason there weren't hillary people, they have no fervor. there is no fervor. say what you want about bernie. at least they have a little bit of fervor, right? so with bernie, he should really get up and say to his people, "stop. stop." not me. stop. they said, mr. trump should get up and this morning tell his people to be nice. my people are nice, folks. they're nice. [ cheers and applause ] they're great. they're great. my people are great. my people are great. so here's the story. so we get up, and i make the decision, and the people in the audience were really devastated. you know, some of those people got there like you. they got there like eight hours early. now they're standing there for eight hours, like you, right? like you! raise your hand. we love you people. don't worry, i'll sign autographs. don't let them -- don't let them rip you away from that position. the only one who could rip you away is nick mangrove.
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him, we can't do anything about, right? so anyway, what happened is everybody was fine. everybody was behaving. and what they have done, really, on the other side -- it was m e moveon.org or one of these groups. bad groups. these are bad people. these are people that truly don't want to see our country be great again. i'm telling you. i'm telling you that. and we want to get along with everybody. and we can get along with people. we're going to unify the country. our president has divided this country so badly. he has been a -- i call him the great divider. you know, when he got elected originally, i said, you know, i don't think he's going to be a very good president. who knows -- i hope, frankly -- i wish he were. i wish i didn't have to do this. i wish we had the right people. i wish we didn't have to do it. but we have to. we have no choice. when you look at the iran deal, when you look at the horrible trade deals where we're losing a fortune to every country we do business with. our jobs are being sucked away. our jobs are being sucked away.
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it's unbelievable what's happening. our military can't beat isis. it's being depleted. it can't beat isis. our veterans are being treated horribly. our border -- our border is like a piece of swiss cheese. the people just come pouring across. we don't have borders any more. so let me just tell you -- and on top of that, we have a divided country. we have black and white and every other thing. income groups. everybody hates everybody. even in congress. you look at congress. you look at washington. look at the politicians. the politicians hate each other. the democrats hate the republicans. the liberals hate the conservatives. we have got to change our thinking. yeah, and if there is a group out there, just throw them the hell out. that's okay. [ cheers and applause ]
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>> so look. we cannot let our first amendment -- just can't. we cannot let our first amendment rights be taken away from us, folks. we can't let it happen. we can't let it happen. we have a right to speak. we are law-abiding people. we're people that work very hard. we're people that have built this country and made this country great. and we're all together. and we want to get along with everybody. but when they have organized professionally staged wise guys, we've got to fight back. we've got to fight back.
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so -- do you have anybody? oh, hello. do we have anybody? you know, i love the protesters, because it shows what's happening. they will not show -- the media is, by the way, the most dishonest group of people i've ever met. the worst. [ cheers and applause ] they are are -- they'll say today, donald trump came to dayton, and he had a small crowd. a smithering of people came. they don't is say it was so big it was bursting out of the biggest hangar i've ever seen. they'll say, a small crowd. or a representative crowd was there. you know, that means like, what, 15 people? we have these crowds everywhere, folks. and let me tell you something. we have amazing people in this country. i am so impressed with the people of our country. we're going to start making apple products in the united
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states. okay? not in china. when carrier air conditioner says they're leaving the united states -- 1,400 people, because they're going to build in mexico, and florida is going to build in mexico, and nabisco is leaving chicago, because they're going to build in mexico. not going to happen with me. we're going to keep our businesses here. [ cheers and applause ] and let me just tell you, while we're on the subject, let me talk about your governor. do you mind? for about two minutes, okay? i want to tell you. because he's got -- i mean, it's a boring subject, but we'll talk about him anyway. look, he was the managing director of lehman brothers, which was one of the great catastrophes in the history of this world. lehman brothers failed, and almost brought down the world. if you remember. and kasich was a managing director. he was right in there, dealing with all the big boys, all of the people that made these
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horrible decisions at lehman. another thing. he voted for nafta. you people forgot. he voted for nafta. now, he was a congressman, and he voted for nafta. nafta has destroyed new england, but it's destroyed -- i mean, you have fought for years and years, and you'll never recover completely from it, but you will if i get elected. because we're bringing those businesses back. so nafta, putting a vote up -- in my opinion, anybody that puts his hand up for nafta -- clinton signed the bill. but nafta wiped out states. it wiped out entire states. it wiped out new england. it's taken years and years and years. and you look at those factories, and they're made into senior citizens housing and it's all wonderful. but we need jobs, folks. we need jobs. we don't have our jobs any more. our jobs are going to china, to japan, to mexico.
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our jobs are going to vietnam. we're losing our jobs. we're losing our base. we're losing our manufacturing. we're losing everything. we're losing it every single item. no matter what. whether it's health care or whether it's trade. i mean, think of it. our military. do we have great military, right? right? [ cheers and applause ] but we have a problem. we have a problem. our military can't beat isis. now, i know, we could knock 'em out in two days if we wanted to. but we don't have -- you know what i call -- we're the politically correct warriors, okay? we can't attack the oil, because it's going to go into the environment. and it's going to affect the carbon footprint. do you believe this? and have i been saying for four years, hit the oil, hit the oil, hit the oil? i've been saying it for years. and i also said, by the way, don't go into iraq. you're going to destabilize the middle east. i said it loud and clear. they try and say, oh, but years ago. let me tell you something. i said, don't go into iraq. now, it turned out that iraq --
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you know, i mean in all fairness, they didn't have weapons of mass destruction. i'm not saying i knew that. i said, for other reasons, don't into in. but we have destabilized the middle east. all of the things you see right now, that was one of the worst decisions ever made. then you have obama. and he made it worse. because what he did -- [ booing ] when he got out, instead of slowly getting out and not saying when and keeping some soldiers there. shouldn't have gone in, shouldn't have gotten out with everybody. and then what he does, he announces a date. we're going to be leaving by such-and-such a date. and the other side -- the other side is looking and they're saying, i can't believe he gave us the date. it must be some kind of a wise guy move, right? it wasn't. he moved out that day. and they all just pulled back. and that's what they did. do you remember about two months ago, three months ago, he said, we're sending 50 soldiers in, right? 50. and then you say, why does he have -- why can't he be unpredictable in war? it's like these guys -- these dishonest people back there.
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they're always saying, what would you do about isis? and i'm supposed to lay out my plans. i never wanted to say attack the oil to them. i never wanted to say it. i wanted to knock the crap out of the oil, okay? [ cheers and applause ] but -- but i don't want to say it. i want to surprise the enemy, you know. our wonderful -- look, i want to surprise. unpredictability. general douglas mccarthur -- i had great respect for mccarthur. i had great respect for general george patton. you know what they're doing now? right now they're spining in their grave as we announce every single move. so we announced a few months ago, we're sending 50 soldiers. number one, it's not even a good announcement. because 50 soldiers, it sounds like -- but these are very elite people, they have a target on their back, because of the announcement. why don't you just send them in, president, and keep your mouth shut and just relax and let them do their job, right? let them do their job.
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[ cheers and applause ] so let me just go over a couple of things with kasich, and we'll be done and you'll make a decision. he's not the right guy to be president. he's not tough enough. he's not sharp enough. in my opinion, he is -- i mean, maybe he wins ohio, and maybe he doesn't. but -- he's very weak on illegal immigration. he's totally in favor of amnesty, which you cannot be in favor. look, folks, we -- either we have a country or we don't, all right? he's very, very weak on the illegal immigration. we -- and he wants amnesty. and he's wanted it always. and he talks about it. now, as far as cars -- as far as everything that you have, right now, your industries that haven't been taken out of ohio, here's what we have to do. we have to protect your coal industry, which is getting decimated. and we have to protect -- your
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steel industry. your steel industry is being decimated. it's being decimated. now, your governor is in favor of the transpacific partnership, which is a disaster. by the way, i'm telling you, it's a disaster. and i was so strong in the debate on it, and i think -- did i do well in that debate or what? [ cheers and applause ] did i? you know, i actually like debating the other way better. but they all came to me. they said, even my daughter ivan ivanka. dad, you're the smartest one up there, but you have to act presidential. and do you mind if i take off my coat? the weather is so beautiful. [ cheers and applause ] >> audience: trump, trump, trump, trump, trump! so ivanka said, dad, you have to act presidential. you're doing so well.
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but don't fall for it. when they attack you, don't fall for it. just -- and i said to myself, here's the problem. you have little marco saying all sorts of things. which weren't true, by the way. weren't true. but they're not as big as nick. i can tell you that. but bigger than most. in fact, i was getting ready to grab him. when he was choking -- when he was choking like a dog, i was getting ready to take that hand and hold him up, because i thought he was going down. i'll tell you. with chris christie. who endorsed me, by the way. and ben carson yesterday endorsed me. [ cheers and applause ] it's interesting. i got a call from a couple of very, very great people and strong evangelicals yesterday. and they said, you know, we were teetering on you a little bit. we were sort of there, but maybe we weren't going to get there.
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as soon as ben carson endorsed you, donald, we were there. we are with you 100%. so i want to thank -- i want to thank ben. but look, your coal industry, your steel industry, all these industries are undersiege. the epa is the environmental protection group. they are a disaster what they're doing. and what they're doing to ohio, more so than most. they're a complete disaster. we're going to change things around. now, transpacific is going to destroy your auto industry in ohio. they're going to do everything. they're going to take it away from you, just like you're a bunch of babies. not going to happen if i become president, okay? not going to happen. it's a horrible, horrible trade agreement. doesn't get any worse. but it's a horrible trade agreement. you have 12 countries, all of whom want to rip our heart out. you have china, which is not a part of it, but wants to be a part of it at a later date. they're watching every move. the document i hear is 6 or
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7,000 pages long. it's too complicated, it's too big. each country knows every word of that document, and our congressmen and our senators, our people have never even looked at it or read it. we don't even know what the hell it says. we should not do it. and the most important weapon that they have to kill our industry, and to destroy trade is monetary manipulation, devaluation of their currencies. and they are grand masters. the greatest of all-time is china. but mexico is getting really good at it. japan is a total professional. japan, what they're doing with the end, and what they're doing to us, with the cars, is incredible. and it's got to stop. it's got to stop. you know, you go over to los angeles, you see those boats, the biggest ships you've ever seen. loaded up with cars from japan. you know, nascar and brian france -- i guess you probably heard from nascar. they endorse trump! trump! and many of the drivers and many
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of the drivers. we have such great people up there, including the young hot rookie, chase elliot. we know chase. and his father, bill. i mean, the whole group. it's a great group. but they understand, they get it. they're really smart people. they get it. we've got to keep our industry. now, your governor wants to do tpp. got to take it away. got to take it away. regardless of what happens on tuesday, he's got to take that support away. because tpp -- ohio is a target -- is a target of tpp. you lose your auto industry entirely. and you have to get it stopped. so with all of that being said, you have a governor that honestly, if you didn't hit oil, ohio would be a disaster right now. you got lucky. you were sitting on top of oil, folks, okay? like saudi arabia got lucky. by the way, we protect saudi arabia. before the slide, they were making $1 billion a day. they pay us peanuts, okay? like we're -- like we're indentured servants. . they pay us peanuts. now they make $1 billion a day.
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so now let's say they make half. the oil went down. and the problem with ohio, by the way. now that the oil is down, you've got big problems coming. because you had -- in the united states, the largest increase in a budget in the united states. 35 or 36%. the budget of ohio. and you are relying on the oil. but you can't rely on the oil now, because the price is so w low. better be careful. i've been seeing signs. ohio is in trouble. because of the price of oil. you made a lot of money with oil. you were lucky as hell. other places are cutting, cutting, cutting. but they don't have the oil factor. but now you don't have the oil factor so much any more because of the price. saudi arabia, if you look at all these countries -- nothing richer -- nobody richer, relatively, than assault and battery. so they make $1 billion a day. any time there is a threat to saudi arabia, we it turn on the ships, send over the planes -- costs you $1 million just to turn a button on some of these ships. to turn on the battle ships,
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let's start the engines, let's check them. boom, $1 million down the drain, okay? we spend billions of billions of dollars protecting wealthy countries. and we're not a wealthy country. we know $19 trillion -- our country is weak. our country is soft. we have leadership that's pathetic. and it's got to change, folks. it's got to change. it's got to change. [ cheers and applause ] you know, you have probably seen -- this whole thing of torture. i don't like it torture. nobody likes torture. but we're dealing with people that are animals. we're dealing with people in the middle east that chop off heads, that drown 50 people at a time in steel cages -- heavy, heavy steel cages. and they drop them in the water, usually ocean, wherever they can find. and they drop them in the water. and they hold them for one hour, and then they pull them back up, all dead, and then they put another 50 in. we're dealing with animals. and then the question was asked -- and it was a tough --
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it was a tough ask. they went to ted cruz, it was on my left -- by the way, i have been on the center of every debate from the very beginning. [ cheers and applause ] and i never did this before. i never debated before. i do get credit. they say, you know, one of the wise guys back there said, you know -- actually, i liked him that day. he said, you know the amazing thing about trump? he's not a politician. he's only done this for eight months and he's killing everybody. [ cheers and applause ] pretty good. i like that. i don't know, i like that. because i still believe in competence over experience, okay? and yet i have -- i have great experience. but here's the thing. i've been dealing on the other side of the equation for a long time. nobody knows politicians better than i do. nobody knows about all of the things like pacs, which, by the way are a disaster and pacs and funding. i was -- i hate to say this. i was like sort of very, very establishment nine months ago. i dealt from that side.
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and then i saw how stupid everybody was. the stupid decisions. and i said, i'm going to become very anti establishment, and i said i'm going to run. [ cheers and applause ] and the establishment said, hey, jim, do you believe this? trump is running. this is bad. he's self-funding his campaign. he doesn't want our money. we're not going to be able to control him. we've got to fight him! we've got to fight him. [ cheers and applause ] because i know what has to be done. but just to finish on torture. okay? i love hopping around. you know, some people said it's like a great chess game, where you go from bing, bingo owe you know -- here. but you never forget. you never forget. so we were at torture. and i just want to tell you. they asked ted cruz a question on waterboarding. now here are people that are like medieval times. i haven't heard about chopping -- james foley -- and that was the beginning, right? a wonderful young man.
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had wonderful people. a lot of christians. anybody gets in their way, boom, chop off their head. so you've got to stop that. you've got to stop it. we can't allow that. we can't allow that. we can't allow that. in our world, we cannot allow that. we shouldn't have gone there, but you know what, now we've got to stop it, okay and now we've got to go in and knock the hell out of them. [ cheers and applause ] but they asked oh owe they asked ted cruz, who was right here on my left. and, you know, he's a nice guy, except he lies so much. and they said, senator cruz, waterboarding. what do you think? and he goes, uh, oh, man -- let me go back and talk to my consultants. this is a bad question. they're all afraid of being politically correct, right? then they go to me -- because he didn't give an answer. and you know, he's a great debater, but he's a lousy talker. does that make sense? he cannot talk. he talks, he goes hey, ha,
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hoo-ha. he's a great debater. i don't know if he's a great debater. i think i beat him in all of the debates. i don't know. [ cheers and applause ] but so he said -- if you look back, from three debates ago, he gave sort of a nonanswer. and which is unlike him in all fairness, but gave a nonanswer. he didn't like that question. they came to me and i said in front of the audience -- and i didn't have it polled -- >> you are just listening to donald trump speaking at a rally in dayton, ohio. i'm joy reid coming to you from the heart of beautiful downtown miami, broadcasting live from the bayside marketplace. we were just listening to republican front runner, donald trump, speaking in ohio. and that's one of five states that will be holding their nominating contest on tuesday. we are going to be listening to senator ted cruz, just awaiting his speech. he is set to speak in bahlwin, missouri. trump's ohio stop was his first campaign appearance since last night when his clash between supporters and anti trump
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protesters took place in chicago. i want to go to halle jackson, at that trump ral ly this morning. give us a sense of how what we just saw on television played out in real-time in that space. it was very loud. we saw two protesters thrown out. just give us the feel and the vibe of being in that space. >> reporter: sure. because you heard donald trump say what he had to say last night. the mood in the room, seems like a very supportive crowd, very friendly. and the protests were mostly scattered. there were a handful of them, but didn't appear in any way as organized as what you saw last night. or at least as large in volume. we saw one man yelling "bernie-clinton 2016." i'm not sure what you were able to show live on air. and a third woman holding a sign that said "trump equals hate" standing silently in the back. she ended up leaving, as well.
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but overall, it is a stark contrast to last night. it could be because of the time of day, saturday morning here in dayton. it could be because of where we are, a suburban area, a hangar, not located in a downtown, for example, that's necessarily easily accessible. i would say people are excited to see donald trump. they're repeating those lines that he has at every rally. and you heard that "build the wall," shouted back "mexico" to him, laughing at his jokes. encouraging him, as he's talking about what happened not just last night, but at the republican debate earlier in the week, as well. so it is very much a different mood than what we heard about on -- hast last night, friday night in chicago when it seemed tense. almost -- you could feel the boiling point happening. very different here today. >> but halle, i want to ask you a little bit -- i don't know if you had a chance to talk to people attending the rally and kind of their sense. because there was a sense from outside of the trump world
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looking in, there is a swirling kind of violence and an implied violence around these rallies. where people who are daring to go in there and protest, silently or otherwise, are really risking an instant switch in that crowd from being june lent to building a wall to hostile and violent. do you get the sense from people who are trump fans get that? do they have any sense of that at all? >> reporter: yeah, i think -- having conversations with people here today, joy, and coming out to the rally -- it's loud behind me with the crowd you're talking about. there is a sense i think among some folks wanting to see maybe what will happen. i spoke with one gentleman who said i'm interested. i'm sort of excited to see what could occur at this rally, this event, this spectacle, as he put it. i think you have other folks coming out to see donald trump for donald trump. you talk about the protesters and how they might feel walking in, that they are walking into a situation where it could turn at any moment. i think that depends on the particular event, like i said.
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this one in particular, given the time of day that it is and where it is. it doesn't have that same kind of feeling. but overall, when you have looked at the progression over the last couple months, you have seen these protesters and folks coming to these rallies -- remember, donald trump is interrupted at almost every one, if not every one. there is a sense there is maybe more rising tension. donald trump is dealing with them, yelling get them out, that's his famous line he says every time he's interrupted. so it depends, i think, on the location, and the time, and sort of the moment and feel of the crowd. >> all right. nbc's halle jackson, at these trump rallies and really speaking from the inside in -- with us from dayton, ohio. thank you, halle. let's go to msnbc's tremaine lee, in chicago. all right, tremaine. i don't know how much of that you were able to hear. talk a little bit about from the point of view now -- you're in chicago. how in the aftermath of what happened in chicago yesterday, people are feeling about this
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sort of trump phenomenon and what that protest might have meant in relation to it. >> reporter: i think you have to wonder if we're at a come to jesus moment. in st. louis, 32 people arrested. one young man blooded. a confrontation between supporters of donald trump and protesters. and last night in chicago, thousands of supporters, hundreds of protesters and now the day after. as halle mentioned, today's event is further out. not an urban center that you have kind of diverse group you had here in chicago last night. folks are wondering if they'll continue to see an escalation of the violence. if you'll see an escalation of the of the rhetoric. and after last night, donald trump said that, you know, americans are energized. he told our own chris matthews that perhaps there may be a bump and turnout for tuesday's election. and so right now, folks are wondering if enough will be enough. donald trump mentioned there a moment ago himself that his daughters tell him he has to be
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more presidential. i think people are waiting to see if he does, in fact, start behaving what many would assume be a presidential candidate would behave as. so, again, after such a volatile day yesterday, folks have to wonder, what next. it's almost like this traveling circ circus. and from north carolina to st. louis, to chicago, on and on, folks are concerned that again, the violence is ramping up. what next? if it's a bloody face one day, could someone get seriously hurt? i'm on either side from those protesters coming out to meet those supporters or the supporters themselves. >> and tremaine, you -- i'm really excited, frankly, to be able to talk to youed today. obviously you were in ferguson, we were together in baltimore. we have seen how these kinds of protests, either more organized or loosely organized come together. do you get a sense -- particularly because the university of chicago is home to the black youth project, is home to a more formalized and organized movement. do you get the sense these protesters are organizing before they're going into these trump
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rallies or that these protests are more or less spontaneous? >> i think it depends on where you're talking about. as you mentioned, ferguson. that was one of those most organic home-grown uprisings we have seen, straight from the streets where michael brown's body lay and emerged from there. here in chicago, they have a long history of activism and protests come attention off the mcdonald case and what many believe is a coverup by rahm emanuel. they had the mechanics going already. the black youth projects were already out here ready to handle their business. and to the point where they're spontaneous or not, i think it's different city to city. as we know, especially around the issues of state sanctioned violence, and actively working to dismantle what they say is a system of white supremacy and racism. those folks are already here, primed, ready, with their -- their troops on the ground and ready. and so when you have a donald
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trump coming in, and all his supporters, and he's firing them up, it's kind of that cocktail we have seen play out over the last several weeks. >> yeah. and tremaine, obviously it's important to point out what we're seeing in some of these anti trump protests are multiethnic protests, not just black lives matter alone. we're starting to see a real interesting coming together of many groups that are sort of standing against this phenomenon are we're watching play out across the country. tremaine lee, hopefully i'll get to talk to you a lot. appreciate it from chicago. all right. let's go over to -- let's go to nbc news ali vitale also in chicago. you were inside that chicago protest. give us a scene-setter. what was it like, how did it play out? >> reporter: so we have been seeing a lot of the images were last night throughout the day. obviously this morning and last night, as well. and really what happened was in the arena, you saw sections of the arena just dedicated to groups of protesters planning on disrupting the rally. and i have not seen that, actually, at past rallies.
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i've seen obviously clusters of protesters together planning on protesting together. this was multiple groups of people sitting in different areas of the arena and around. that's why it seemed like it was everywhere at once. especially when the cancellation announcement came, you felt the entire arena erupt. something donald trump did today in light of last night, this is something i have seen him do now consistently whenever there is controversy or questions about his tone or rhetoric, he takes what happens and adds it in and makes it a seamless transition into what his message is. he's protecting his supporters, saying they're the nice guys, i think is what he said, the good guys. and that everyone else is kind of the one that's in the wrong. and so he's painting his supporters as victims here. and is something else he did that is so interesting, and he does this after people protest at other rallies, as well. he talks about the need to unify. he always goes into this riff of how we want the same things and maybe he could change their mind, and then usually makes a joke and moves off that point. and today we saw him do the same thing. he talks about unity, needing to
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change the way we think about things and in the same breath -- saw a protester in the crowd and said if there is a group out there, throw them the hell out. so you're talking about unity and pivoting to the more aggressive tone. and those two things are very much at odds with each other. and something you see him do consistently now. even more relevant in light of what happened in chicago yesterday. definitely something we have been seeing on the trail for weeks now. >> yeah, definitely. and ali vitale, we thank you for your work, embedded, covering this and experiencing in real-time with the trump campaign coming from chicago. thank you. appreciate it. let's go now to one of the protesters, actually involved in last night's anti trump demonstration. ethos a junior at the university of illinois chicago who helped organize the protest. all right, ethos. just tell us what happened. how did it come together? and what were your intentions going in? >> yeah, so uic students and faculty, when they heard donald trump was coming to our campus to speak, were immediately
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outraged. but even above that, a lot of our members were scared. they're fearful for their safety, they're fearful for their lives, because of the rhetoric that donald trump and supporters perpetuate. and so a few of us got together, and with the help of the organization, called moveon.org, created a petition where we got 4 -- over 4,000 signatures that said we did not want trump on our campus. unfortunately, the center where trump had his rally, behind me, uic's center, they do not actually own this. so uic could not stop it. that's when we realized a group of about five students came together and decided we were going to organize a march and rally to show that uic and chicago and many of the people of this country do not at all support trump or what he represents. >> and ethos, i'm interested in knowing how you prepared to go into that rally. we know of the history of the
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civil rights movement was there with a lot of preparation to go down into the deep south and take really physical risk -- extensional risks with their lives to do that. not on the level of 1960s, but a huge risk going to the rallies. how did you prepare for it? >> so first of all, we weren't given any notice of the action until about a week before, maybe a little longer. and our first initial meeting was on monday of the beginning of this week. so we didn't have much time. but the first things we came to, to come to prepare was to make sure everyone felt safe. there was a large muslim popation at uic, a black population at uic. undocumented immigrant population. we wanted to make sure everyone was as safe as possible and only doing things within their comfort zone. so that was our first step. the next step was to organize people, whether they would be inside or outside, which is also a safety issue. we have seen in other cities pro
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protesters get violently attacked inside of rallies. so we had to make sure to only -- make sure people knew that risk, and if they were going inside, we were coming in the solidarity, we were coming together and had a strong, unified force, both inside the rally, and outside of the rally. >> and ethos, did you have any contact or discussions with police? did you feel protected by the police presence that was inside there, or did you have any discussions with them to ensure that you would be protected? >> we had one meeting that we attended as organizers to get the pulse on what the police said. basically, the police tried to put us in a box, in a parking lot across the street. we refused. we refused and we said we were going to be on harrison and ray seen, the intersection where i'm standing right now. and they agreed. but then day of, the police came with full force, some in riot
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gear, a whole horse patrol system with over 12 police officers. they came with billy clubs out raised and tried to deny us the intersection that they promised us earlier in the meeting. we could not let that slide. and we eventually took the intersection over, and the police violently attacked many people. even leaving one member of my organization in the hospital. where he sits right now. >> wow. ethos in chicago, i wish we had more time. thank you so much. hopefully we can talk to you again. stay safe, and we appreciate you being here. >> i will. and shoutout byp 100. >> thank you. thank you and that is byp 100, the black youth project based at the university of chicago. stay right there. we are here live in miami, florida. and we are talking about -- well, florida, coming up. it's a make or break state for marco rubio. we will talk more about that, next. ♪ the roles you play in life
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exists in the political discourse is a direct result of the fact that words have consequences. that when you run for president of the united states, or if you are president of the united states, which everyone is en deferring to be, you can't just take on the attitude i'm going to say whatever i want. you can't say whatever you want. it has real-life consequences for people in this country. >> so that was marco rubio this morning, reacting to the escalating tensions and even violence at trump events around the country. rubio is fighting for his political life. he's hoping to win his home state here in florida and all 99 available delegates on tuesday. rubio is a distant third nationally in the delegate count. and recent polling here in florida is not exactly in his favor, consistently placing him behind national front-runner, donald trump. host of news radio 610. and senior writer for politico.
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this is like a big family reunion coming down here. home to south florida. let's talk with first you, ferdinand. marco rubio, if he does not win florida, i would presume not only does that impact his ability to become a nominee, which would make it probably impossible. what would do that do to his political future? >> a lot of folks saying it's going to end his political career. here in miami, there are no second or third chapters in politics. we have seen people run and run again. so reports of his total and utter demise may be premature. but a tremendous set back for him. it doesn't leave him with many alternatives. he's not going to run for congress after being almost the presidential nominee. adam putnam, a cabinet member, has been eyeing that seat his entire life. they're not just going to give him a pass. the question for marco, what does he do members? the problem is, does he finish third on tuesday. if that happens, it's really,
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really, really bad. >> the collapse of marco rubio, who was the beltway establishment's favorite candidate ever in history. he came into this with these high expectations, as sort of the wonder kid from florida. what happened? >> well, donald trump happened. i also think that jeb bush also happened. and marco rubio happened. there's no other major candidate for president who hailed from a state where the political resources were divided unequally. but rubio knew that going in that jeb would run. >> he primaried -- let's keep it real here. he decided to primary his mentor. jeb's probably last chance to run for president. marco rubio in a hail of great ambition, decided he was still going to challenge him. was that a mistake, in retrospect? >> well, in retrospect, perhaps. >> yes, yes, it was. >> but the question is, even if general had not run, would this still have possibly happened? and i would say perhaps. rubio's strategy larlgly was dictated by the fact he didn't have the money or resources and he was going to be a media figure. there's no media figure like donald trump. and that's a big problem if
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you're banking on that as your strategy. >> and then recently, you had marco rubio admit that in his strategy of trying to become a donald trump, a version of him, and sort of going after trump's looks and really sort of -- kind of gutter level politics, he says that was a mistake. but wasn't the mistake baked in before? >> absolutely. but you know the problem with him, don rickles, eddy hackett act, reinforce the notion he doesn't have a lot of core principles. he kept reinventing himself to win. and it's been interesting to see now, a lot of shachadenfreude happening here in florida. a devastating article, with a lot of republicans on the record saying marco never had loyalty. he was all about marco. and i think you see a lot of people coming out of the woodwork now. and it's a little sad to see. because i don't think anyone expected this type of collapse. this was supposed to be his crowning triumphant moment of the campaign and it looks like the end of his campaign. >> and it seems like he's irreparably damaged with his
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advisers, and jeb bush. i don't see an endorsement. >> and jeb's perspective, he not only lost, but does he want to endorse a guy who might lose and seem more worthless. i would say, to rubio's credit or maybe to a criticism of him, that if you look at the most recent public policy polling survey, what's interesting, he closed the gap 10 percentage points over donald trump in a week and a half. so there's a possibility that if rubio loses by a percentage point or two, he's going to lose on time. he didn't get started soon enough organizing in florida, because he assumed he was definitely going to win. and i think it dawned on them too late that oh, no, it's not a definite thing. >> rubio's people say time won't matter because it's a winner take all state. there is a lot of pushback from the rubio camp, get out before he humiliates himself. is that being said here in florida? >> absolutely. i think a lot of people are saying, well, the republican absentee ballot numbers are lower than they should be. and an he cecdotallanecdotally,
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are waiting because they don't want to see marco drop out today or tomorrow and have the vote wasted. absolutely, there is a big consensus, especially among those who say, hey, ted cruz is the best republican to stop donald trump. every day, marco rubio stays in the race, is a day lost. and i think there was a great line. somebody said, ted cruz can beat donald trump if marco rubio had gotten out three weeks ago. >> we've got to go. we're going to run back, because there are now protesters on the stage with donald trump in dayton, ohio. let's take a look.
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[ shouting ] >> okay. so what you're seeing here, for those who are kind of just maybe coming in, apparently there was a protest that attempted to take the stage at the donald trump rally in dayton, ohio. secret service, we're being told, rushed on to the stage to remove those protesters. that is the official word that we're getting. protesters attempting to take the stage at donald trump's rally in dayton, ohio. let's take a listen to what he's saying now. >> and to think i had such an easy life. what do i need this for? right? you know why i need it? because i have done great. i love this country. we're going to make our country great again.
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it's payback time. it's payback time. [ cheers and applause ] these guys are these guys are so fantastic. i'm going to call up carrier and tell the head of carrier i hope you enjoy your stay in mexico, folks. but every single unit that you make and send across our border which now will be real, you're going to pay a 35% tax. 35% tax. you know what kerry is going to do? they are going to call me in 24 hours because i'm not taken care of by the international interests. i'm not taken care of by the donors. they are going to call me back and go, mr. president, we're moving back into the united states. we're going to build in the united states. that's what's going to happen. 100% sure.
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so let me just tell you, are you ready, we don't win anymore, but we're going to start winning. we're going to win with our military. we're going to win with our vets. we're going to take care of our vets. and our military and it's the least expensive thing you can do. i'm the most militaristic person here, but i was against that ridiculous war. our military is going to be bigger and better and stronger than before and nobody is going to mess with us. nobody. we're going to get rid of common core. we're bringing our education locally. we're going to repeal and replace obamacare and we're going to win with its replacement. we're going to have such strong borders. you're going to be so proud of
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them. we'rgoing to have the wall. is and people are coming into our country, but they are going to come in legally. legally. now so important is this. kasich cannot do the job. most people don't even know how to pronounce his name. kasich. pretend it's a "k." he's not your president. i hope you go to the polls. by the way, is there anything more fun than a trump rally? i hope you go to the polls, you got to go to the polls. >> so we are still here and we just saw a protest take place on the stage at the donald trump rally in dayton, ohio. when you're watching this
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unfold, your thoughts? >> i'll tell you what. we do a lot of extensive polling. we look at the way the country and different states are voting. what i think you see here the hispanic vote, which is overwhelmingly against donald trump right now. the same with the african-american vote. even the asian vote. i think a lot of people what they are saying is when they see these rallies, they see donald trump. what is his message? make america great concern. the concern is is what he's saying is make america white again. that's why you see these polarized reactions and these passionate reaction. last night's protest in chicago. this is getting to a point unless donald trump -- is i think he's tried to act reasonably. he said he's condemning the violence. but on the other hand, you see a lot of these passions really spilling out in what we're seeing indayton and in chicago. unless that gets bottles up and sets in, this could maybe have a rem any sent environment of what we saw in the '60s in the united
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states. >> george wallace was filling stadiums. i have to ask you this. donald trump is going to places like dayton, ohio, where the far south side of chicago. they have been hollowed o where you use d to have steel industries and factory jobs. that's a message that could cross over to african-americans and hispanics. . you're seeing a very white crowd. a crowd that gets hostile as soon as there's a protest of any race. the way they are taken out. the instant tension and racial tension you're seeing. how do we describe that or explain that to people? >> you anemic and new in american politics. the fact we're in 2016 and recently we were talking about whether a front runner for a major party's nomination is properly denouncing the kkk is shocking. but i would say to the protesters, if you want to protest donald trump, taking the stage and making a spectacle at his rallies, which have become the media spectacle, makes him
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stronger in the short-term. so this is what his crowds and partly his candidacy feeds off of. >> you can't have a quiet acquiescence to a message that we're going to build a wall across mexico. you see people literally screaming when he says build the wall and chanting "mexico." there's something happening that must be responded to. >> donald trump is not johnny come lately. he knows what he's doing. he knows that he's stroking certain passions. the man who was the masterful with the tweet. he will wait a couple days to denounce the clan endorsement. >> he started his political career as the big birther. >> that's where you have to question where does he begin to act a little bit more responsible and presidential in engaging because words matter. in this case, actions matter and these perceptions matter. >> by and large, there is a
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growing number of people who say, you know what, we don't need to get more of the hispanic vote. we don't need to compete for the africaamerican vote. the problem of mitt romney and john mccain is not enough white people came to vote. and i don't know about its accuracy. in order for that to work assuming it's true and this is on the x's and o's is right and donald trump is really doing this. he's going to need a clean sweep in these states and not have to worry about florida. florida is like 29 electoral college votes and we have a significant hispanic population here. you look at every other poll and doesn't show that donald trump is going to have an easy time in florida. >> who wins florida? >> trump and hillary clinton. >> well, trump, but there's a possibility marco rubio could still win. >> keeping hope alive. >> keep news alive. that was our show for today. thank you for being here. i will be back here at 3:00 p.m.
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