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country being run by incompetent people that don't know what they're doing. the people are angry at that. they're not angry about something i'm saying. i'm just a messenger. >> would you support him as the nominee if he's the nominee? >> i don't know. i mean, i already talked about the fact that i think hillary clinton would be terrible for this country but the fact that you're even asking me that question i still at this moment continue to intend to support the republican nominee but it's getting harder everyday. >> the protesters are behaving abusively and wrong but at the end of the day in any campaign responsibility starts at the top and it's not beneficial when you have a presidential candidate like donald trump telling his supporters "punch that guy in the face." >> i think when people around the world see images of americans clocking each other at a campaign rally they're like we're in disarray. it will be used as a propaganda tool. well, good morning,
everyone. >> good morning. >> how was your weekend? it's monday, march 14. welcome to "morning joe." with us we have former communications director for president george w. bush, nicolle wallace, chair of the department of african-american studies at princeton university, eddy cloud, jr., veteran columnist in and msnbc contributor mike barnicle, great piece in the daily beast out right now. in san francisco, managing editor of bloomberg politics, mark halperin, in nashville, tennessee, historian jon meacham along with willie, joe, and me. >> willie, a great town meeting with john kasich. >> thank you. he's leading in the nbc/"wall street journal" not the state of ohio. he believes if he wins ho he has a way to chip away at the delegates enough to get in a one on one with donald trump. you know him so well, so smart, prickly when he wants to be. fun to joust with. >> i love the guy and i've made no secret of the fact after jeb left he would have my vote.
if he's still around and he's looking like he's doing well. nicolle, it's -- all of this money, millions and millions of dollars poured into florida to stop trump. once again donald trump has made republican donors waste tens of millions of dollars having no effect. he is destroying by every poll i've seen destroying all comers but in ohio it's the candidate, the guy they like, john kasich, who's actually winning the day there. >> right, and you look at the stop trump movement as a movement and it really doesn't exist as a national movement and i wonder if at some point -- i think after tomorrow there will have to be a layer of intellectual honesty put on it. does it become a republicans for hillary clinton movement? what does its become if you don't have enough delegates deprived on tuesday. an interesting moment on the republican side. >> we want to look at what happened over the weekend. we had the honor of going to
nancy reagan's funeral. it was a stage backdrop to be watching what happened across the country. violence, protests and arrested marred the 2016 campaign this weekend beginning with the ugly scenes at donald trump's campaign rally in chicago as protesters and supporters hurled insults and at times clashed. fallout from the rally which the trump campaign canceled out of safety concerns heightened attention on his events the rest of the weekend, putting the candidate, attendees and the rest of security on edge like in dayton, ohio, saturday where the secret service formed a protective ring around him when a protester attempted to rush the stage during his speech. most events passed by with minor interruptions but no arrests while some protesters were pepper sprayed in kansas city and trump addressed the unruliness in different ways. >> they'll never do it again. it will destroy their record. they'll have to explain to mom
and dad why they have a police record and why they can't get a job and i'm going to start pressing charges against all these people. [ cheers and applause ] and then we won't have a problem. mr. trump, it's terrible. you know how many people have been injured at our shows? nobody. nobody. we have protestors, some of whom are so mean, so loud, so vicious they stop us from really our first amendment rights, right? freedom of speech, you can't talk, they're screaming -- there are very few of them but they are bad. now, you hear about a couple of -- one in particular vicious, swinging. well, guess what happened? our people started swinging back. 90% of the time i'm telling the police take it easy, don't hurt them, just take it easy, don't hurt them, and, you know, it's one of those things but we're not provoking.
we all want peace. this group -- is that true or what? we don't want trouble. >> one of your supporters decided to sucker punch a protester. do you accept any responsibility for creating this atmosphere? >> i don't accept responsibility. i do not condone violence in any shape and i will tell you from what i saw the young man stuck his finger up in the air and the other man sort of just had it. but i still -- i don't condone violence. >> he talked about his shows, willie geist. i mean, it's still -- he's still in entertainment mode here. they -- he thinks of them not political events or rallies but shows. >> we picked up on the same thing. our eyebrows raised. he says he doesn't condone the violence like the 78-year-old man but then went on to say "i will pick up his legal fees." that's condoning the violence.
>> supporting it, actually. >> putting all this into context and digesting it, you best put it into a piece that just popped on the washingtonpost.com web site. "friday's freak show was as pre-packaged as a rerun of celebrity apprentice. the only difference was that donald trump delivered his lines on the phone from a hotel room in the windy city instead of on the set of his made for tv board room. it was all a scam. has anyone noticed that trump's campaign now regularly stages media events designed to eclipse any negative coverage that predictably follows republican debates? as has been the case throughout the entire 2016 cycle, trump thrives on the political chaos that he helps create. if it is true that opportunity and chaos are the same word in mandarin, trump should stamp that word on a poster and sell it at his next scheduled event. for the manhattan billionaire, manufactured chaos is just as profitable for his brand as
paris hilton's sex tape was for hers." >> wow. >> i'm upset at my editor because i said cat poster, specifically cat poster. a cat hanging from something and then the word right there and they took cat poster out. nicolle, think about it. rubio launches a vicious attack against donald trump in houston the day after chris christie endorses him -- >> stops the bleeding. >> and consumes all press coverage. nobody talks about the debate the rest of the weekend. >> no one talks about anything else. >> and then they knew they had another debate coming up so they leaked news before the debate started of ben carson, announced a press conference the next morning and then suddenly -- come on, you can read through the rest of the piece. there cease many things lined up that show they knew exactly what they were doing. they knew they'd get more press coverage this way. they knew they'd charge up their
supporters. it was all a made for tv protest. >> i think that's right and his performance in those phoners is the performance he gets decent reviews for. people find him a calming presence but the irony is he's calm ago crisis he created. >> was there a meeting with the chicago police where they were told "please don't have this rally"? did the chicago police tell them there was too dangerous? was there a meeting with the chicago police. >> no. >> he has a security consortium. >> yes, but law enforcement officials, real people. did anybody tell him it was too dangerous to hold the rally? >> the chicago police said they did not. eddie, bill daley said he certainly selected a very strange place for a rally in the center of a city that's had one party democratic rule longer than the soviets had one party rule, literally.
since before fdr was is elected president of the united states and on a college campus that's 25% hispanic, 25% asian and 10% black. as bill daley said, it was as if they knew what was coming and that they were intentionally stirring the pot there. >> i like your phrase "manufactured chaos." this is trump's political theater but the interesting thing about it is his manufactured chaos but there are real harms, real injury that follows from it. one of the things we do know is that he's been saying all along one thing and the fact that he takes it to uic where you have communities already organizing, people have already been struggling over laquan mcdonald, people have already been struggling over the closing of public schools so teachers, chicago public school systems, people have been challenging rahm emanuel. so to bring it into that powder
keg and to light the match, you're going to get president chaos we saw. but the interesting thing about it, though, is that in the midst of the theeteater, there's real harm here, there's real injury here, people are really responding to the rhetoric. and i'm not talking about his supporters, i'm talk act the folk who bear the brunt of what he's saying. so what we saw at the chicago rally were people responding viscerally and passionately. >> viscerally and mike barnicle, you also look at what's not manufactured but what certainly a lot of people have been focusing on have been donald trump's words over the past like when he said in las vegas "i'd like to punch him in the face." or when he declared that in the good old days protesters used to be carried out in stretchers. or when he told his audience not knock the crap out of them, would you?
it is manufactured chaos but i would argue it's donald trump's own supporters that are going to his rallies to see that i mean are going to bear the biggest brunt of their champion's abusive language. i think we're going to see more and more protesters pour in until he starts calming things down and stops talking this way. >> well, joe, look, this is now both dangerous and depressing, his rallies. donald trump entered this campaign known by most people for two words "you're fired" on tv. now he's known by a multitude of people for a few more words. "get them out of here." and it's the way says it. and a candidate at a minimum level has an obligation not to use his presence or her presence, his or her words on the stump to incite a riot. and that's what's happening each and everyday, multiple times a
day at trump rallies, and he has an obligation to say pump the brakes here, folks, let's all calm down. this is politics, this is not a riot. but he hasn't done it yet. >> he has an obligation, obviously, he also has massive opportunity to do something amazing and instead of taking that opportunity and that platform and pivoting and running with it and urging not only peace but something beyond that, he's the wizard of oz, he's just the man behind the curtain doing nothing, really, with no heart and no brain. and he has so much potential here. he could do so much with this. i know everybody has strong feelings about trump or -- especially people that come in and out of this room but he has a massive following. he could do so much with this. >> mark halperin, the thing is, he's been playing the short game for a very long time. the i've been calling him a political day trader because
he's known what he has to do to win the day, to win the hour, to win the media cycle and he knows what he's had to do to cut out a plurality of republican voters. and he's done it brilliantly, he's done it by himself and he's going to win the republican nomination, he's probably going to lock it down for the most part tomorrow. but at this point, this sort of day trading may help him in the short run with the trades that are right in front of him on the computer moving quickly but will destroy him at the end of the day. >> and maybe our country. >> i'm just saying just politically. forget about all the hyperbole, forget about blood running in the streets. just politically this is a dead end. you get your 35%, 40% of republican primary voters which only make up one-third, people who vote in primaries make up one-third of who vote in the
actual general election among republicans. and the world expands so much. the voting world expands so much going into the fall that he is for every one of these primary voters he's pulling this way, he's losing three, four, five general election voters. do you have any evidence that there's an understanding in the trump campaign that they need to shift gears and stop playing this short game, stop engaging in this day trading? >> well, the day trading analogy is a good one and i'm not as sure as you that he's going to be the nominee right now. we'll see after tomorrow what happens if, as i expect, we'll be down into a three-way race. friday i said he was being cavalier about reacting to what's going on at his events. it's gone beyond that. as mika suggested, he has a huge responsibility which he did not live up to on the shows
yesterday and friday night. even if he's not the nominee, even if he's not president, he's a national leader now and he's not even close to living up to the responsibility he has to try to be a more calming presence and to explain what is happening at his own events, which he called shows. but let's see if he's -- if he doesn't gate majority of the delegates, i think between what happened this weekend and what happened when he was asked to respond to david duke i think it's going to be easier for the establishment to take the nomination away from him. the i'm not saying they will, but if he doesn't gate majority, this weekend's make it harder for him to win the votes at the convention. >> we predicted trump could win the republican nomination. we predicted that marco rubio at least -- i don't want to associate too many people with me because it made people angry but i predicted that marco rubio's campaign was never going to go anywhere. and predicted about a month ago that donald trump could actually, if you look at the industrial midwest, trump could actually win the general election. that prediction is pulled off
the table for me. you look at the david duke de r demurral, you look at another attack saying islam is the enemy and now you look at friday, i can't begin to tell you how many swing voters, how many independent voters, how many moderate republicans, how many conservative democrats, how -- and i know that the phone calls that are pouring in to america i can't tell you how many people over the past three weeks have gone, "you know what? i was thinking about it, i'm not thinking about it anymore." that's not to say he's not going to do well, he's just not going to win the general election in this mode. not even close. >> i've heard people say the same thing, he was an interesting candidate, he's different, he shakes things up, after the kkk thing, i think people have gotten off the middle ground where they thought they perhaps could vote for him but you're right in the short game analogy, he thinks this is god for america i'm dividing
these people up, i'm showing they're coming to our rallies and disrupting us, it helps him, maybe he wins illinois because of it, maybe he's going to blow out in florida but maybe he creeps up and wins ohio but playing this long game, it's not going to work for him. there are too many people who don't want to see it. let's bring in jon meacham, he's been waiting patiently. jon, i think people were waiting friday night to see what donald trump was going to say and do in reaction to what we saw in chicago. he got on the phone with chris matthews and basically did what i just said which is to blame the protesters and say "this is why we have to keep fight p because of people like this." >> right. anger is a great starter, it's not very good finisher. >> well put. >> i think joe's afanalogy is a good one on the day trading. a lot of us have said this is almost analogy proof, the whole trump phenomenon, because you had the case of a protest candidate in the midst of taking over a major party.
it was like a hijacking that passengers joined the hijacker and we're all in favor of it for a while. now it's feeling more like george wallace. it's feeling more like a traditional protest candidacy that plays to extremes in order to drive both media attention and the passion of a disaffected minority. and presidents of the united states cannot simply be the embodiment of the disaffections of a minor. they have to represent the aspirations of a majority and that's the jump that trump has failed to make. >> eddie, you want to chime in before we go to break. >> i'm interested in what made him an interesting candidate for a while. >> simple. >> it seems to me he's been saying a lot of this since day one. >> well, it was refreshing at first and it wasn't as piercing as first and it wasn't causing situations like this at first. >> so it was coated in the
beginning, there were dog whistles and now he's being explicit? >> he's been explicit the whole time. >> he's been explicit about mexicans, about muslim, et cetera, et cetera. but the people he's been reaching out to are people the republican party have left behind on economic issues time and time again. now, i can only speak for people i know that support trump, they're bothered by the dog whistles, they've been bothered by this other stuff but the republican party has gotten it wrong for working class voters on economic issues, on trade, on so many things and you have seen through the years starting when i got elected in '94, people earning $50,000 and less have been voting for republicans. they have been waiting for the republicans to fight back and republicans instead of interpreting that as anti-government mantra of sort of small government mantra have instead decided this means that
they wanted tax cuts for corporations and they wanted free trade deals that would please the "wall street journal" editorial page but would gut their communities of jobs and on and on and on. >> at the level of the content of his politics he's speaking to vulnerable white voters. but at the same time -- and it's always been the case -- he's speaking to what i call white fear. >> well, yes, there's that. >> but the white fear is wrapped up on so many things and, yes, there's a racial component to it. >> also, we look at some of the business owners in florida that were all trump who are changing their vote now because they've heard these sort of incendiary things all along, oh, he speaks his mind, i like that, he says what he thinks. guess what? he's only saying those things again. still, again and again. he's going deeper on things like muslim bans and islam hates america. but what about policies for making jobs? what about a foreign policy team? he's coming up with nothing. and at some point they're going
-- >> i don't -- there's a great story in the "new york times" today about the melting pot that is his tampa campaign office and i wouldn't count out the power of his message about not being bought by lobbyist. >> they love that. >> the things that we talk about are not the things that are the magnetic draws to his candidacy. and just because we've turn the conversation to all the things that disqualify him, the bond -- and you understood this before anybody else -- the bond is still that he's not bought and paid for, he doesn't need a dime, he's not corrupted by the things that corrupted our party and that he cares about their economic insecurity and pain and homeland security. >> his brand is amazing. "make america great again." >> i think it's interesting the conversation has turned to the things that disqualify him. i think the national conversation about donald trump's legitimacy or power has never, ever, tracked with the bonds between him and his supporters. >> and eddie and everybody else, here's the great irony. i guess go to mark halperin here. mark, you said you're not so
sure he's in the nomination now. i think he's been n stronger position than ever. >> me, too. >> i've seen polls in florida that are absolutely outrageous. that any candidate would pay for and i've seen internal polls in ohio -- >> that he didn't pay for. that's the irony. >> and he's not paying for them. he's not paying for any of this. the same thing with ohio. i saw a poll in ohio that he's actually at a split right now with john kasich. and what offends us actually does not offend voters and has never offended voters. i'm expecting a pretty massive night for donald trump. because i will tell you, what we saw was one thing, what republican voters and conservatives saw, a lot of them, was move on.org and black lives matter and bernie sanders supporters ring up signs, running through the streets, having john roberts holding microphones in their faces and
them shouting profanities at the top of their lungs on tv asking one person after another person that was shouting profanities "why are you there?" they couldn't answer the question. there was a little kid, he was probably 17 years old, clearly being intimidated, a trump support supporter, had a trump button on, it was nothing about race, this kid just believed in donald trump, he couldn't be bought by special interests, he was so intimidated he couldn't even speak on the camera and john roberts kept bringing him in, come here, don't listen to them, ignore them. that is nothing but a political win for donald trump on friday night. and it did just energize his voters even more. so i'm curious why you're saying now he may not even win the nomination because marco rubio's probably out of the race on wednesday. who beats him? >> well, look, i think he's still the overwhelming favorite to be the nominee and he could with a strong performance if he can find a way to win ohio, he
could end the nomination fight tomorrow night. he's going to win florida big. i can't imagine that he doesn't. but watch to see how ted cruz does in north carolina, watch to see how kasich and cruz do in illinois. and watch to see, again, kasich has to win ohio to make this a thing. then the question becomes a two-pronged thing. one is, is it a two-person race at this point? is it cruz versus trump at that point? if so, how does cruz do one on one? or does john kasich make it a three-person race? a three-person race, if john kasich becomes a viable choice not just for the washington establishment but for actual voters in states in the northeast and the west and in the midwest, then it's mathematically very hard for donald trump to get a majority and i do believe that at the convention if he doesn't have a majority he may not be the nominee. >> i want to be very clear here. we've spent six, nine months predicting the rise of donald trump on the republican side. it's deeply offended a lot of people and we understand because we've been right and you've been wrong so you're scrambling now even though i said i was
supporting jeb bush and now i support john kasich but i understand you're offended by it. but to figure out what this is about, this is not about the republican primary. i think donald trump will still win the republican primary. we're looking ahead to the general election. this may not be disqualifying in republican primaries. this is all, mika, disqualified in general elections for the large electorate. but this isn't about what offends us. >> no, it's not about what offends us. it's not about us. i heard you say that, nicolle, i understand that some things might offend us but we saw why he popped. we saw why he's still making a big impact on this race. we see the huge opportunity he has now that hopefully he won't squander but it appears he is but it's not about what offends us. this is about what's going to bring him down in the general election, which we have been pretty accurate so far in terms of how this is going to go. this isn't going to work. this is going to get uglier unless he finds a way to turn it
around. i would hope at some point in his life he actually listened because he has a brilliant mind and the wizard can make a lot of stuff happen but the wizard has to listen. >> mike barnicle i read your fantastic piece in the daily beast and you were talking about donald trump and you were talking about what he was doing on the campaign trail you said this isn't who donald trump is at heart. he is not a bigoted man at heart and you talked about the contrast between donald trump the man and the donald trump we're seeing on tvment it reminded me -- and we've known donald trump for ten years -- talk to him in private. he's never talk there had way. never even come close to talk this way. as hillary clinton says, he's fun to be around and a gracious, generous man. but hillary said in our interview what surprises donald trump as long as she has known donald trump privately, she can not believe what she's hearing him say publicly. there's a disconnect. >> well, joe, you put a microphone in front of donald
trump on the stage and he has become a completely different person. i think in looking at him and looking at the course of the campaign and his behavior across the course of his campaign it has to do with him just allowing his ego to take control of the moment and him standing there in these stages thinking as i tried to write that no one has ever been cheered like that, no one, no candidate has ever heard applause like this, no candidate has ever engendered devotion like this, like i'm doing. this is what trump, i think, is thinking. but it's not true, donald, it's not true. >> huey long got that sort of applause. >> sarah palin. >> as did bobby kennedy. >> she's back on the trail with him, i believe. >> my great grandmother used to say to me "when people show you who they are, believe them." >> still ahead on "morning joe," we'll go live to three key battleground states -- ohio, illinois, and florida. we'll be joined by presidential candidate and donald trump
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>> this message is paid for by hillary clinton. >> kate mckinnon's hillary was great. you had larry david on in the open play bernie sanders. >> do you remember when kate mckinnon played the real hillary clinton and the real hillary clinton celebrated getting trump? hillary clinton learned how fast the sanders' fact-checking team could be after making this remark while campaigning in missouri on saturday. >> we're going to pull together and stand up against those powerful forces and i always get a little chuckle when i hear my opponent talking about doing it. i don't know where he was when i was trying to get health care in '93 and '94, standing up against the insurance company, standing up against the drug companies. >> i mean, mika, why didn't bernie sanders -- and he has to answer this question. why didn't he stand up beside hillary clinton? >> he did. well, because he was standing behind her. right behind her. >> maybe because she didn't see
him. >> it took the sanders' campaign less than five minutes to tweet a link from video of 1993 of then first lady hillary clinton thanking then congressman bernie sanders for his support on health care. >> i'm very grateful for the leadership that many people are giving to this great reform effort and i'm grateful to congressman sanders joining us today from vermont. >> it's pathetic that it goes on. in response clinton's communications director -- oh, come on. don't. you guys were wrong. come on, we love you, jen, but hillary clinton was wrong about bernie sanders and should just probably apologize. >> here's the quote exactly "he was standing behind her, she was out front." [ laughter ] >> come on! there's also this photo of a 1993 note from clinton that hillary clinton wrote to bernie
sanders whiin which she thanks for his commitment to real health care access for all americans. it was the same year that sanders fought for single payer health care in his state, albeit unsuccessfully. that's not nice, it's not truthful, it's not where you should be right now as a campaign. you're winning and there's a whole trustworthy thing. don't add to it. don't add to it. simple mistake. >> kind of keeps going. it was -- last week they were saying bernie sanders voted against the auto bailout when they knew that that really wasn't -- >> it was totally misleading. >> and here's the thing, they don't to do this. they're on their way to victory. >> well, it actually speaks to the assumption, i think it's reigning assumption about the clinton campaign that they will do anything to win and that there's a question around her character. is she trustworthy? what are her commitments? what are her principles? will she say anything to achieve
her ends? >> would you lie about beth israel deaconess -- bernie sanders, a senator from vermont, who seems to be a good and decent man. >> it's also a missed opportunity along the lines of trump. you can put it on your own web site and say "oops" and people would move on much more quickly. >> or "i forgot." >> both these campaigns are exhausted, they've got their nose down and can't see the forest for the trees. they can be puny and gracious, put it on their own web site and say "we goofed. it happens." >> there's no humor or graciousness in the candidates. i want to go to the exhaustion deal. you know it better than anybody else. that's what steve schmidt said. wherever people really screw up on the campaign trail it's usually exhaustion. i cannot believe the democrats had the talk again last night. >> and someone is talking again tonight. >> it's madness. it's great for our republic, it's great for this country,
it's great for democracy but, my god, for the candidates? this has to be absolutely exhausting and mind bending. >> it's awful, dehumanizing. i remember screaming at all of you on election day, i was three time zones away, you were watching obama vote and i was like "people haven't voted yet!" you turn into a person you don't recognize. >> sanders and clinton are on msnbc tonight again and, quite frankly, the mistake that hillary clinton made about bernie sanders, i get -- i mean, i just totally the -- >> we get the mistake. >> i don't get the campaign doubling down and trying to make it worse. meacham? >> just very briefly, in 1908 when george h.w. bush was running against raeg onald reagn new hampshire, he shook the hand of a department store mannequin. [ laughter ] >> yes does that all the time. >> that was al gore. coming up, what would bobby kennedy say to donald trump?
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time now for the must-read opinion pages. >> no, let's talk about it before the read. you think at this pace, you agree with mark halperin, you think if this pace continues donald trump won't get the nomination? >> i agree with mark halperin. ing i don't think the country -- there's an element of the
arsonist to donald's campaign and the count rid ry is not in mood for that. the country needs to be calmed down. "let's make america great again"? america is great. let's make greater, okay. >> mark halperin, off feeling this may all get in the way of trump's march to the nomination? >> he's the overwhelming favorite for the nomination. i think assuming marco rubio loses florida it will be up to two guys to show they can get vote frrs voters. it's not about rhetoric or who people in washington like or the "wall street journal" editorial board likes. can ted cruz, can john kasich start winning the 25%, 35%, 38% of the vote in some of these big states? there are very few winner take all states and if donald trump's behavior over the last couple days or weeks puts a ceiling -- that famous ceiling we've long discussed -- on his support that is like 35%, even 40%, he won't gate majority of the delegates and i believe the stop trump movement now as much as anything
is focused on having rhetorical case to the delegates to say he shouldn't be our nominee. >> in the daily beast "what bobby kennedy would say to trump" by mike barnicle. "trump's words do not inspire his crowds, they anger. he does not encourage, he aggravates. he is not a bad man, he is just one more public man who thinks and believes that each image of himself in the mirror reflects an individual greatness no one else owns. all those years ago, 48 of them, when america was truly rocked back on the ropes by war, riots, assassination, violence and a future seemingly wrapped in trauma, robert f. kennedy left indianapolis for cleveland, ohio, where he spoke on april 5, the day after martin luther king was killed. surely we can begin to work a little harder to bind up the wounds among us and become in our own hearts brothers and countrymen once again. his message, his voice, his attitude, his every appearance
and intent were clear. he sought to make america great again." i think that's what we're looking for right now where's the positive tone? where's the inclusiveness? where's the message of peace? where's the message of real hope for this country in the republican front-runner's words and instead it's just where you begin. he just continues to churn it. >> well, you know, this country has been through a lot over the course of its history and if you measure 1968 against today, today is like let's get out the party. >> it's nuts. >> exactly. >> it e's is. >> but it's not just donald trump, it's nearly all the candidates including hillary clinton and bernie sanders. there's a foundation. >> and by the way hillary clinton who in a debate called -- what enemies are you proudest of having and she said
republicans. >> i'm not equating the two i'm saying there has been a jeb coursening of rhetoric on both sides through the years. >> yeah, there's that. but there's an also an isolation the candidates have from the reality of people's everyday lives. they haven't focused enough on what happened a in 2008 and 2009 to the vast majority of people in this company. if you didn't lose your house, you lost your hope, you maybe lost your 401(k), but you certainly no someone who lost a lot in terms of the economics of their daily lives. and it's never been the same. the catchup has been increasingly slow, slower and slower. they can say the economy is progressing, it is progressing but in a very measured instance. >> and so much of this is pre-packaged, so much of the split in america is prepackaged, it's not like 1968 where you had
a world that was being torn apart. here this is a political class that's torn apart. you know, you've got talk radio shows that make money. you have everybody makes money on tearing apart. you have a gerrymandered congress where house members are reelected for getting more and more extreme. the system is actually rigged to promote this division. >> i want to push back a little bit. it might not be 1968 but it is 2016 and what does that mean? that means you have people who have vulnerable. you have folk who are in the streets protesting around the unseemly death of loved ones, you have people losing their homes. you have a sense that some people in this country are valued more than others, some people who happen to be white are valued more than others, you
have this discourse around undocumented workers, people are scapegoating because of the flat lining of their wages. >> tension between police and minorities. >> so what donald trump has done and is doing is tapping into something that is as american as apple pie. there's a wonderful line by james baldwin where he says "america is like an old minstrel show. it's the same song, the same joke, you can do it almost in your sleep." and so there's something dramatically different about now. i wouldn't be here as ca countr boy from mississippi because of what happened in 1968 but there are deep divisions in this country. >> and he's tapping into them. >> and some people in the republican party. >> people are responding and someone like sarah palin can tap into those angers. the question is what can he do with it now? i think a lot of people thought,
perhaps wrongly, that he could do something with this that he would then take it a step further and feel the momentum behind him and the country behind him and do more with in the a positive way. anyone can tap into hatred. that's easiest thing to do in the book. >> you are always going to be able to do business politically in this country by running against the new, the different, the other. you are enemies, your real enemies. >> but at the end of the day, willie, it's day trading. >> sarah palin did it. >> you can get the plurality of the republican part yy. hell, you can get the plurality of the democratic party running a negative campaign. we've talked about it before when you had a third of democrats that believed george bush blew up the world trade center. you can always play the short game.
but this next step is a massive step and he does not appear prepared to make the turn and expand. >> play the long game. >> well, he's new to politics and what he's learned over the last nine months is that this works. that these kind of divisions yield results for him in all these states and they will again tomorrow. he'll win florida. he may win ohio. john kasich has a a lead new the new poll there but he said something on friday before chicago, he was in st. louis and there were more protesters in that room and he went on this riff about basically suggesting those people are losers, go get a job and to me that was the exact wrong message. if the message of your campaign is to make america great again, to help people get jobs, provide for those people, he was saying "those people." and i think people took this to mean something coded? >> i'm hoping he does something more than sell steaks in his victory speech if he has minute tomorrow. coming up, "washington post" robert costa and political analyst jeff greenfield join the conversation. "morning joe" is coming right
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senator, you may have won michigan but hillary still leads you in delegates and super delegates. >> what's a super delegate? who calls themselves that? that's so cocky. >> but, senator, many think you need the super delegates to win the nomination. >> not true. i have the voters. my message is resonating with a very diverse group of white people. [ laughter ] and i've got supporters of all ages, 18-year-olds, 19-year-olds. that's it. the young people love me, tapper, because i'm like them. i got a lot of big plans and
absolutely no idea how to achieve them. [ laughter and applause ] >> you're still struggling with minorities. why do you think african-americans aren't voting for you? >> probably because i look like someone who at some point told them "get out of my store." [ laughter ] >> oh, my gosh! welcome back to "morning joe." it's monday, march 14. good to have you all with us. we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle. chair of the department of african-american studies at princeton university, eddie glaude, jr. pulitzer prize winning historian jon meacham. mark halperin, and msnbc political analyst robert costa. mika, a lot of big contests tomorrow. donald trump, if he does what he's expected to do, at least in florida and a couple other big states moves closer to the nomination. ohio still up for grabs. new polling from three of tomorrow's primary contests we
have for you. in florida donald trump has a 21-point lead according to the new nbc news/"wall street journal"/marist poll. he's polling at 43% to marco rubio's 22%. ted cruz is just a point back with 21%. kasich at 9%. >> let's stop right there. mark halhalperin, the numbers, we've been talking about this, the numbers in florida for trump are absolutely incredible. >> staggering. >> he's beating a sitting u.s. senator by 21 points. >> he pushed one out of the race. >> pushed another floridian out of the race and is trouncing all comers, mark. >> when he says it's a second home state, it's not a joke. he's been well known there for years and he is dominating. of course, because it's winner take all you don't see anybody but rubio who has to try there putting in much of an effort. neither cruz nor john kasich is trying there, it's all or nothing for them.
the more important states tomorrow, obviously if john kasich wins ohio it makes a huge difference in the race. don't lose sight of the other states, illinois and missouri and north carolina where ted cruz in particular is looking to keep trump from having a banner night that would make a huge difference on his march to the nomination. >> marco rubio doesn't appear to be anywhere close to fighting for the win tomorrow night. right now in this poll and many others it's look like he's fighting not to finish in third place in his home state. >> it's a difficult time for senator rubio. i'm here to cover him. later today he'll be in west palm beach. he's taking a bus tour down i-95 trying to revive his base from the 2010 senate race when he was a tea party hero. but it's difficult for him. not only is trump strong in the panhandle and more conservative areas of the state but when you drive around the retirement communities here in south florida you see trump signs everywhere. >> let's look at illinois. trump is up by nine point there is at 34% to cruz's 25%, kasich
25 21% and rubio at 16%. in ohio, governor john kasich is in the lead with 39% to trump's 33%, cruz at 19%, rubio has fallen to six points in the buckeye state. >> so, willie, let's go over the last couple weeks to talk about what we have spent the first hour talking about what can be disqualifying for donald trump in a general election. but let's look at these numbers. they're remarkable about how successful he's been in the primaries. last week he won in mississippi and he won in michigan. the deep south and the industrial heartland. this week he's light years ahead in the sunshine state, in retirement communities in south florida. and he's way ahead in -- comfortably ahead in illinois. the land of lincoln. this is about as complete of a trouncing as i can remember in any contested primary,
especially one that started with about 17 candidates. >> remember when we started in iowa and he came in second place people said well, maybe people aren't turning out the way they said they would in polls. then he went to new hampshire and won big. northeast, went to the south, south carolina, then went to nevada and showed regionally he could do that. >> he's won big everywhere. >> to america as mark said, i think this comes down to ohio tomorrow night. if we expect trump to win florida, which it looks like he will, if he wins ohio, kasich said he will get out, marco rubio will get out if he wins florida, now you have donald trump and ted cruz. if he doesn't win ohio and kasich stays around now you have three and 48 hours thefrom now s a very different race depending on what happens in ohio. that's where hallie jackson is reporting. mitt romney will campaign with john kasich. he won't endorse the governor, it's part of romney's promise to work with the republican field to stop trump. plus john boehner announced he voted for his home state governor as well. meanwhile, trump has gone on the attack while on kasich's turf.
the gop front-runner postponed this evening's rally scheduled in florida and will hold an event in youngstown, ohio. he targeted his record on trade, tv viewing and saying he hadn't qualified for the pennsylvania ballot. >> and your governor, as you know, voted when he was a congressman voted for nafta which is -- [ boos ] -- which is absolutely, you know, ohio has never, ever come back from that. today i watched him on television, and i like john, he's a nice guy but he said did you see only of trump's speeches. no, i haven't seen them. oh, he's the only person in america that hasn't seen them. [ laughter ] and so they said did you see him? no. well, i don't really watch television, when i watch television i only watch golf channel, i don't watch the news. i said wait a minute. we all like golf channel, too, but you're running for president, the only thing you watch on television is golf channel? so he's not going to do the job.
and he's not allowed -- he didn't qualify. i don't know, is this a big story? it doesn't seem to be a big story. i don't understand it. he didn't qualify in pennsylvania. he didn't have the signatures. does anyone know that? it was just announced he didn't qualify in pennsylvania. so if he doesn't qualify in pennsylvania he shouldn't be running on tuesday, right? i mean, i think. >> let's go live to rockford, illinois, where hallie jackson is. hallie, what is john kasich doing to prepare for the ohio rally tomorrow? he feels confident, he's a guy who has a 79% approval rating according to a poll among republicans in the state of ohio. he feels like they'll come out and vote for him. >> it's interesting, willie, when you're at these john kasich events in ohio, there is a celebrity atmosphere, a lot of energy, more so than you've seen for kasich in other states. people come up to him, people know him, there's a real difference, i think. and in the crowds, too. he had about 600 people out over the weekend which is one of the bigger crowds kasich has seen. he's usually doing smaller town
halls and intimate events so this is a place where he's feeling good. and what will help potentially today is mitt romney out on the campaign trail with him. mitt romney will be with kasich at two stops this afternoon, two different locations in ohio. romney has previously recorded robocalls for kasich, also for rubio, but this is significant because it's the first time that the 2012 nominee is out physically campaigning with somebody and the fact that he's chosen kasich is interesting. romney, as you know, came out in the big anti-trump effort, the stop trump effort. we don't expect an endorsement from mitt romney. i'm told by a source that that's not what this trip is about but it is an indication that mitt romney will be doing whatever he can to try to slow down donald trump, particularly here in this state, you saw trump talk about kasich more and more over these last four or five days. i was out with donald trump that this weekend and he runs that riff about the golf channel, about pronouncing his name ka kay-sich versus kay-sick. probably because he feels threatened because of where the
polls are. you saw the polls showing kasich in a strong position and kasich is talking about that. he's also talking about what he's run his campaign on, which is a positive message. listen. >> you know, the whole country is now watching ohio. do you know that? it's kind of a choice out there now. do we go to the dark side with negativity? the gnashing of teeth? the division of people? or do we go to the hopeful and the light side? the moving up side, stock? [ applause ] >> the one question mark, guys, the one question mark here is mitt romney campaigning with kasich. romney talked about wanting to support the candidate with the most viable path or a candidate who could win the nomination who's not donald trump and there are questions about kasich's path to the nomination even if
he does win ohio. >> well, he believes if he wins ohio then it's up for grabs at the convention, hall. lee thank you so much. >> you pressed him on that in the town hall meeting. >> i said "as a practical matter, how do you get there?" he said "if i win ohio, the the whole game changes." the first 25 states you can put behind us, trump looks vulnerable and momentum swings and they start voting for me and we get to the convention and have a fight there. but mark halperin, in donald trump can win ohio it will be more impressive than his winning florida where marco rubio is not nearly as possible as kasich is in ohio. >> it's testament to trump's strength that this is not a slam dunk for kasich. as you said several times his approval rating is so high, he's a two-term incumbent governor, he's worked the state hard though he has been traveling around the country running for president. it's testament too trump's strength. kasich has a three-step process to get in the game. he has to win ohio. then he has to become the establishment choice.
i think if kasich wins ohio i think you could see mitt romney endorse him. you could see a lot of people in the establishment if he said to them this is a three-way race from the beginning between trump, cruz and kasich, a lot would be for kasich. can he raise the money? can he get the establishment snort the third step is the voters. he has to get voters to vote for him in places like new jersey, in places like the midwest, out west. if that hearing impaireds he can accumulate enough to be a big player at the convention. >> he needs momentum, he finished third place in michigan. he should have done better than that. >> yup. >> let me ask everybody around the table here. does anybody around -- because we've spent the first hour rightly criticizing donald trump for friday's events. is there anybody around the table here that didn't say while that was going on what you said, mike barnicle, and that is this is going to help donald trump in the republican primary." >> yeah, that's the fear that you have watching the events of
the weekend, especially the chicago stuff on friday night is you wonder is it going to tilt a lot of people saying, hey, look what they're doing to my guy. the moveon.org people and they're going to vote for him in greater numbers. the wild card in tomorrow is what happened over the weekend and the fear would be, at least i think among a lot of people, certainly among a lot of professional political people, is if donald trump ever did win ohio and it was rooted partialfully what happened in chicago on friday night then he would be so emboldened he would listen to no one in the course of the continuance of this campaign. >> well, i don't know that that's a problem. i mean, i don't know that that would be a change, i guess is a better way to put that. it's not a problem rising out of what happened in chicago. but, mark halperin, i have seen some people that were openly and
aggressively hostile. one senior editor at the new republic that after -- who has just torn trump to shreds after the protest on friday night said "i'm no trumpkin but if this is where the battle lines are drawn, i will be on his side." and i saw that played out several times. i sense this will do nothing but help him in the republican primary in the short run. >> i think in the very short run it will energize his supporters and draw them to him. but i think in the medium term, even, again, i think there's a chance that john kasich and ted cruz both can take advantage of this to galvanize thing. ohio is binary. the trump wins ohio the race is over. but watch how he does in missouri, north carolina and
illinois. the public polling suggests he'll do very well in those states. if he wins but with narrow margins or if cruz can win one or two of them i think both cruz and kasich can take advantage of the people who didn't like what happened on friday and how trump handled it. >> the transformation of candidates as they begin to win, fetch you're not a supporter you see it happening and it gives you a sense of hope and peace for the future, i'm not seeing this in this candidate. jon meacham, does that transformation often happen? and if so, when? >> well, it does and you really have -- you begin to hear the trumpets and you also -- that's the more amorphous part. >> but you feel the responsibility. >> you feel the responsibility and you also have to win in a general election. that's the other thing. let's be practical here for a second and, again, i don't think
that being the voice of a disaffected minority is the path forward to a big win in november. i just think that historically presidents who have an upbeat message, whether it's "morning in america" or "a new deal" or "a new frontier" and that's the compelling message, those are the folks who end up getting the big job. and at some point these images feel -- i think governor kasich used a good word about it. it's not that america is falling apart, it's this america is in disarray and right now trump is a feeling that we here in a kind of moment of disarray and that's not something i think that most americans want in the long term. >> mika, talking about optimism that jon was just touching on. peggy noonan talked about what it was like being a speech
writer for ronald reagan. >> right. >> reagan would never even let her write phrases in t s is in negative. it would not be "we cannot do this." instead it would be "we must get this done." every phrase was optimistic, everything was positive and that's what people loved so much about ronald reagan. >> i think if you learned about eight years ago the people want more than anything in the world hope before they want anything else. eddie, i think that something potentially could go awry here in a very violent way. i mean, there is that as well. >> yeah i didn't answer it by saying this will help him, i asked the question why would it help him? right. >> what would it say about republicans if they're now energized because of this. and i was interested in the images themselves and what was in the news loop and what was in the news loop were these
african-americans fighting back. it wasn't just simply them being attacked, right? it was these punches that they were throwing, these ominous looking -- >> but you're right when you say loop. three incidents again and again. >> three or four incidents. >> again and again. >> and by the way for people -- and mike barnicle can speak to this -- that lived chicago 1968, come on: these are the three images we have seen? and i'm not underplaying what happened the other night. >> and we're not going to show them. >> but we have seen more violent fights -- >> you would have thought 100 people -- >> after nfl championships. after super bowls, after people have won the ncaa championships where they didn't have to run them in loops. these were three or four fights run in a loop for four hours so donald trump could speak over it talking about how his first amendment rights were being trampled. >> but think about also the panic that it caused, right? it's the image of jedediah brown seizing the trump podium. it's the image of these young men actually swinging back,
right? threatening folk, looking threatening. and part of this is kind of playing into this white fear i talked about earlier that, look, these protesters are not -- they're not committed to non-violence, these protesters aren't respectable, these are thugs. these are people who will actually threaten the very foundation of the country. so part of what we see here in the manufactured chaos is a representation -- >> black america being set up. >> a representation of a certain kind of way of black americans. >> black america being set up. >> of course. and that goes to what bill daley said. why did they pick the campus they picked? because they knew exactly what they were going to get when they said donald trump was coming to town to speak. they're going to get protests and a lot of protest. robert costa, let's set up tomorrow. illinois, missouri, florida, ohio. what are you hearing from all the campaigns?
>> i'm hearing in each of these states there's likely to be record turnout. early voting in florida has been very strong. over historic levels and i think you get a sense that trump there's no sense of how much these trump protests, the scenes froms chicago are going to impact his campaign. and there's talk of reagan 1980. there's other historical models. people in trump's orbit are bringing up nixon 1968, the way he ran against the "shouters and protesters." they think trump is harkening back to that. >> talk about marco rubio and his future. what are you hearing? obviously he's underperforming in most of these states. are you hearing anything about him getting out of the race on wednesday? >> there's certainly friends of rubio who think if he doesn't win florida he will almost certainly drop out of the race. but rubio is on a hometown tour right now on a bus and there's a sense in his inner circle that
because of the way he's handled this week, pivoted back to a positive message on policy, being more anti-trump without being personal in his attacks, they think he's recovered some of what he lost when he went personal in his jobs. >> so what does that mean? does that mean he leaves on a high note? or continues his campaign. >> i think he may continue his campaign if it's a narrow margin win or lose in florida but there's a sense he can be an anti-trump voice. whether he suspends hiss campaign or not he can remain a national figure who's like mitt romney and going out on the campaign trail to be someone campaigning against trump even if he's not a formal candidate anymore. >> robert costa, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," climate control. bernie sanders is having to fend off donald trump's claims that his supporters are to blame for turning up the heat at some of
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>> the people that were there, the people that were invited there, thousands and thousands of people, they caused no problem. they were taunted, they were harassed by these other people, these other people -- by the way, some represented bernie, our communist friend. [ boos [ boos ] so he should get up and say to his people, "stop, stop." not me. stop. look, it as a bernie person. hello, bernie. hey, bernie, get your people in line, bernie. get your people in line. >> a candidate for president of the united states should condemn
violence. [ cheers and applause ] not encourage vie lerns. [ cheers and applause ] you don't go around and say it's okay to beat somebody up and i'll pay the legal fees. that's not what this country is about. [ cheers and applause ] >> that was bernie sanders and donald trump going back and forth about the source of the unrest at trump's rallies over the weekend. with us from columbus, ohio, msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt. kasie, what's the sanders campaign saying this morning? >> hey joe, the beth israel deaconess medical center campaign is very eager, frankly, to have this fight with donald trump. now they don't feel as though there's a risk for them in having their support yeers be s of the people disrupting these rallies. the campaign say they have nothing officially to do with it. but they have been warning donald trump tweeted yesterday
morning saying to bernie sanders supporters "be careful or people will show up at your rallies." this doesn't phase them. over the course of the next couple day you can expect to see sanders fighting more directly and aggressively with trump. joy in some ways i want to throw this us as a potential theory of the case. if trump does do very well on tuesday to the point where he wraps up the republican nomination, that will leave more space to talk about bernie sanders potentially continuing this challenge to hillary clinton which i think is something that they potentially have an eye on. now to do that, sanders has to post some wins on the board on tuesday. they're looking first at missouri as the most likely place where they can notch a win then illinois. then ohio is about managing the expectations game. but don't forget, sanders has come unexpectedly from behind in some of these cases and some of that is because a lot of people
are seeing what they're putting out on social media. i want to show you just a piece of a new -- it's actually a web video, though there's a version of it on tv in illinois but it's gone unexpectedly viral with two million people watching it in about 36 hours. take a look. >> the fight against injustice and inequality has been the work
of his life. bernie sanders. as a student he was arrested for protesting segregation and led sit ins against a racist housing policy in a university. he was there when dr. king marched on washington in the fight for jobs and justice. now he's taken on a broken criminal justice system to stop racial profiling, prevent police misconduct and end mass incarceration. bernie sanders, from his youth to today he stood with us, now it's time to stand with him. >> of course, this focused on african-american voters, they're hoping the margins with that community look more like they did in michigan and less like they have in the deep south, joe. >> kasie hunt, thank you very
much. >> so kind of an effective ad and that's the area of voters where i think there seems to be a disconnect from who they support and the actual policies he's stood by and fought for for years and it's almost like they don't see he exists. joining us now, msnbc's steve kornacki and in chicago co-founder and executive editor of real clear politics tom bevin. good to have you both on board. >> tom, let's begin with you. you're the man with political polls. walk us down tomorrow. what does it look like on the republican side? >> well it looks like there's -- if you're looking for suspense tomorrow night, it probably won't happen in florida. we have a lot of data in florida and it shows donald trump in very good shape there. >> he's up 20 plus points and so that could be a quick call on both sides. the suspense takes place in ohio where we have john kasich narrowly leading donald trump. he's moved ahead by two points
in averages of four polls that were taken over the last week or so. on the democratic side in illinois, bernie sanders, a poll came out yesterday showing him up two points on hillary clinton. he was in town the other day. he's leveraging african-americans against hillary clinton with rahm emanuel who's a long time clintonite and bernie sanders was here saying if i win the nomination i don't want his endorsement, i don't want his support and that seems to be paying dividends for him. >> what about missouri? any polls out of missouri yet? >> nothing. it's a black hole, we don't a sense of what's going on there. it's a state that on the republican side sets up well for ted cruz but also donald trump but we have no data whatsoever. >> north carolina, donald trump ahead there. >> donald trump is ahead in nk next, roughly nine to 11 points. we had a new poll that showed him up 11 in solid shape but cruz on his heels.
>> steve, we have a window into how you spent your weekend as we look at math you scribbled down on a piece of paper going through delegate scenarios. what did you find? >> that's what willie and i were doing as well. >> i don't think so. >> it was this and the ncaa bracket. illinois and missouri on the republican sides, those are the two wild cards. 52 delegates for grabs. so illinois, too, has some antiquated rules with the delegate distribution. so if youeer putting up a solid week, you see ted cruz, there's a bit of a shakeup on the side.
cruz had four points in illinois. there's a trump steak it may not be in missouri. >> so let's go in and say based on your scenarios and the polls that trump wins florida, wins north carolina, we'll give cruz missouri. a close trump win in illinois. what does that mean? >> that's the scenario i got pencilled out here. plus i gave ohio to kasich. that gives me after tomorrow with trump at 639. 1237 the magic number. 457 for cruz and kasich ties with rubio and then i played it out from there and i gave what i thought was a conservative case for trump. i don't have him breaking 50% in any state. i still got him to 1190.
that's being conservative. >> if he won ohio. if he wins ohio and florida. that puts him over the top. >> you wonder what impact everything that's gone on in the state of missouri over the last year he's going to have on the trump campaign, ferguson, racial unrest, st. louis. >> the week after this, on the 22ed, the next big one is arizona, immigration. think about joe arpaio endorsing donald trump. there's a couple states throughout with a lot of delegates that you have the specifics of the trump campaign plug into the culture of the state. that's another example of it.
joining us from palm beach garden, florida, former presidential candidate dr. ben carson. dr. carson, good to see you with us this morning. >> thank you. >> let's talk about what happened friday night in chicago. people on one side who support donald trump said they saw some thugs, as donald trump referred to them, going in and causes a disturbance at a rally. the people who ent do like donald trump thought donald trump's rhetoric heeded all these months came to a head in chicago. how did you view that? >> this is a wonderful opportunity for education in america. it gives donald trump and some of the other candidates an opportunity to talk about first amendment rights and why they are important and i think that certainly donald trump will come to the real sthaiization that t a golden opportunity for leadership. there's an angry group of people he's been speaking to but also you must realize that many
people following him are not angry, they're just looking for real solutions and they don't want us to keep going down the same pathway and he needs to speak to those people also and he's coming to that understanding. >> dr. carson, you've endorsed donald trump, you did so on friday. what kind of leadership do you think donald trump showed on friday night, saturday, and sunday? >> well, i think, again, it is speaking to a lot of the angry people mo who are tired of being pushed around, quite frankly. and i understand that sentiment very much. but if we're going to heal this nation, we have to speak not only to those people but to the other masses of people also. and i think we probably don't need to just focus on donald trump. we need to focus on all the people running on both sides. s in a golden opportunity for them to help the american people to realize that it's okay to disagree with somebody. you don't to try to disrupt what
they're doing. just, you know, listen, make your point, we need to involve in civil discussion and recognize we have real enemies. we have radical islamic terrorists that want to destroy us. why help them by destroying ourselves? >> dr. carson, it sounds like you believe this could be a learning moment for the candidate you endorsed on friday, donald trump. tell us how. >> i think so and i think you're probably going to see him pivoting more in the direction of serve rather than just those who are angry. and i think that's something that will be demonstrated very clearly very shortly and it's something, again, that all the candidates need to be talking about. we have to stop isolating one person and saying you have to do this. we have responsibility in this nation to help heal this nation.
>> do you think that you can help now that you've endorsed donald trump? do you think you can help to persuade him? >> do you think he hear this is? >> do you think he'll hear you as you try to persuade him to try to end the division we've seen over the past six to nine months is and become more of a unifying candidate? >> i certainly hope so. but i've also recognized that he has the ability to see these things himself. he's a smart guy. he sits down and thinks things through and we'll come to the understanding of what needs to be done. i think you'll see that manifested very shortly. >> dr. ben carson, thank you very much. >> a pleasure. >> i think that was a fascinating conversation. certainly dr. carson understands the importance of bringing all sides together and suggest that donald trump may as well.
>> he will pivot. i guess the question i was getting to with the leadership is why didn't donald trump pivot right away? why didn't he know on on friday night i need to fill this void of anger with something that resembled leadership? >> we'll see what happens after tuesday. because i think time is running sho short. time is running short. a lot of general election voters are moving to the gates. >> it's interesting. you had this scene where it was clear it was going to help him get over the edge, possibly even in ohio this week. and the other candidates spoke out over the weekend, we haven't even got on the that. marco rubio and ted cruz had press conferences during all the is -- i guess melee? would that be the right board? how would you describe the -- it's like a mass is massive crowd of angry people who don't
know -- a lot of them didn't know why they were there. it's strange. >> calculated chaos. >> wasn't that interesting? strange with -- >> we talk about trump but on the other side people running through the streets and poor john roberts was just trying to get somebody to speak in more than like one syllable. a guy was just running "trump, trump, trump" and swearing at the cameras saying the f-word. "sir, why are you here?" no answer. someone shout proeg fanties about trump, "why are you here?" couldn't answer. john roberts did this to three or four people who couldn't answer the question about why they were running around with their hair on fire screaming profanities on the top of their lungs and i guess this is what insults me when people compare this to chicago 1968. this was not chicago 1968. there was pre-packaged chaos on both sides. >> listen the protests at the
trump rally friday night was a pre-planned thing. it was coordinated, it was planned. >> on both sides. >> the shots after -- outside the arena when protesters were trying to stop cars in traffic, i was looking at it saying "what's up with that? why would you be doing that?" it's one thing to go inside a hall and protest. >> what are you fighting for? >> but stopping freedom trying to get home for the evening? >> well, it's also playing with fire. steve corkornacki, thank you ve much. you can go back to class. the kids are waiting. >> tom, any predictions on how friday night is going to impact tuesday? >> no, i mean, it's tough to say, joe, for the reasons you just mentioned. i think a lot of folks were, here in illinois the folks i talked to were upset trump didn't get a chance to speak.
a lot of people came from indiana and wisconsin to see him speak, drove all day and the rally was canceled. it's hard to say how it will play out in the final analysis. up next, donald trump's secret weapon to win ohio. that's ahead on "morning joe." ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ [alarm beeps] ♪
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and -- people start talking about chicago '68. it was a made for tv paris hilton event. it was ridiculous compared to '68. ? i like grabbing at historical examples but that is -- that's not a fit. it's apples and bowling balls. what happened in chicago was the culmination of years of a movement, of a flash point between the sitting mayor and outsiders, some of whom were out for trouble, but i think what's interesting is that the most central point about this to me is that it doesn't happen to any other candidate. how many candidates have been running? some of them fairly provocative. it just doesn't happen. and the idea that i really thought to go back to what ben carson was talking about that maybe this would be the time when trump would be reflective, maybe even say -- which i think
he is biologically incapable of doing -- "i may have made a mistake along the way." there's something about him that won't let that happen. what worries me about this is that if he is the nominee -- which i think still the most likely, and does not begin to say, all right, everybody has to -- you know, this is the presidency we're talking about in a very troubled country. he's taking exactly the approach that a person should do and just neglecting it or refusing to do it for reasons that you might understand better than i. i don't get it. >> he's playing the short game. he's being a day trader. here is the deal -- and i tried to explain this to people, the difference between winning a republican primary and general election. in a republican primary you put 100 republicans out there, only 30% of them are going to vote in the primary. there's 70% of the republicans outside of that. and then you add the 70% that didn't vote in that primary because -- and donald is getting only 40%, let's say, or 30% of that 30% in this small universe.
i can micro target to just about any group i want to micro target to. he's microtargeting, he's day trading, he's playing the short game. he's going to win the nomination. do you know the difference between as far as winning and commuting goes for bernie sanders and donald trump. bernie sanders has one other person he's running against. this is niche marketing for donald trump and it only works for day trading, it doesn't work for the big game. >> i think i'm talking about frankly something a lot broader than that and it's why i think you're going to see a significant number of republicans, lifelong conservatives saying i can't do this. it may sound pomp pus, it may sound elitist, but there's something about the presidency which is more than running the government. it's the head of state and heat the government. >> what e. that's what i'm saying. >> that's what should be sweeping through him right now. >> it's one thing to get referred up in the pre-season
and say let's go to a show, it's quite another when things like this keep happening and i guarantee you it's not just independents and democrats that he's losing, it's republican women who were going to vote for him that are starting to walk away. >> and it's one thing to call sarah palin early on, it's another thing to call her today. jon meachum you want to chime in? she's campaigning for donald trump today. >> i think there is something broader and i don't want to say mystical really, but there's the -- the presidency is bigger than the vote total. i'm wondering can you think of a moment where you have had someone this close to the nomination who seemed as out of phase with that part of the -- part of the office -- >> no, because even when barry goldwater famously said extremism and the defense of liberty is no vice, which shocked the country at the time, even shocked a lot of republicans, he is basically talking in the broader sense
about policy. and what really strikes me is given donald trump's almost fairly ability to such certain nerve endings, had he spent the last year -- because "the new york times" told us he has been thinking about this for a long time -- one, learning more than a sixth grade civics class would teach and thinking about how you meld that personality with the demands of the presidency i think you would see a different and much stronger candidate. >> willie, just look at the basics of not only run ago campaign but possibly winning a campaign and what happens next. he's got -- he's got two or three people around him. he's got cory louann douse key, hope hicks and one or two people around him. there is no campaign infrastructure. this is unlike anything that's ever happened before. >> which is amazing in some ways. >> -- in the history of modern politics. there are no campaign offices and people reporting to anybody. there are two or three people and donald trump and that is it. >> and from where he's sitting
there's no reason to believe anymore. look how well he's done running lean and mean. mika has asked him three different times who is your foreign policy team. he says i'll let you know. he doesn't need one. right now he doesn't need one. the message that he's putting out there is an emotional one that people are responding to to get granular with foreign policy details and have analysts and advisors, it doesn't serve him right now, but in a general election people are going to want answers. >> the time for day trading comes to an end tomorrow. >> jeff greenfield stay with us if you can. still ahead this morning hillary clinton questions her democratic rival's record on healthcare and then gets a very rapid response. >> where walls bernie? she was standing for healthcare, where was he? we'll tell you. and flexibility. it's where great ideas and vital data are stored. with centurylink you get advanced technology solutions from a trusted it partner. including cloud and hosting services - all backed by an industry leading broadband network
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know what they're doing. the people are angry at that. they're not angry about something that i'm saying, i'm just a messenger. >> will you support him as the nominee if he's the nominee? >> i don't know. i mean, i already talked about the fact that i think hillary clinton would be terrible for this country, but the fact that you're even asking me that question, i still at this moment continue to support the republican nominee, but it's getting harder every day. >> the protesters are behaving abusively and wrong, but at the end of the day any campaign responsibility starts at the top. it is not beneficial when you have a presidential candidate like donald trump telling his supporters punch that guy in the face. >> i think when people around the world see images of americans clocking each other at a campaign rally they're like, you know, we're in disarray. that's what they are going to try to say, it will be used as a propaganda tool. >> good morning, everyone.
>> good morning. >> how was your weekend? it is monday, march 14th. welcome to "morning joe." with us we have former communications director for president george w. bush, nicolle wallace, chair of the department of african-american studies at princeton university eddie glou jr., mike barnicle, great piece in the daily beast out right now. in san francisco managing editor of bloomberg politics, mark halperin. in nashville, tennessee, pulitzer prize winning historian onmeachum all with willie and joe and me. >> great town hall meeting with john kasich. >> thank you. >> he's leading now in the new nbc "wall street journal" poll in the state of ohio. he believes that if he wins at ohio he has a way to start chipping away at the delegates to get a way to donald trump. he know him so well, were i cannily in a good way, good to joust with and have an hour with
him. >> i love the guy. i made no secret after jeb left he would have my vote if he's still around and he's liking like he's doing pretty well. nicolle, all of this money, just millions and millions of dollars poured into florida to stop trump. once again, donald trump has made republican donors waste tens of millions of dollars having no effect. he is destroying by every poll i've seen destroying all comers, but in ohio it's the candidate, the guy they like, john kasich, who is actually winning today there. >> right. and you look at the stop trump movement as a movement and it really doesn't exist as a national movement. i wonder if at some point -- i think after tomorrow there will have to be a layer of intellectual honesty put on it. does it become a republicans for hillary clinton involvement? what does it become if you don't have any delegates on tuesday. it's an interesting moment on
the republican side. >> we want to look at what happened over the weekend. we had the honor of going to nancy reagan's funeral and it was a strange backdrop to be watching what happened across the country. violence, protests and arrests marred the 2016 campaign this weekend beginning with the ugly scenes at donald trump's campaign rally in chicago. as protesters and supporters hurled insults and at times clashed, fallout from the rally which the trump campaign canceled out of safety concerns heightened attention on his events the rest of the weekend, putting the candidate, attendees and his security on edge. like in dayton, ohio, saturday where thees is formed a protective ring around him when a protester attempted to rush the stage during his speech, most events passed by with minor interruptions, but no arrests. while some protesters were pepper sprayed in kansas city and trump addressed the unruliness in different ways. >> i hope these guys get thrown into a jail.
they will never do it again. it will destroy their record. they will have to explain to mom and dad why they have a police record and why they can't get a job, and do you know what, i'm going to start pressing charges against all these people. and then we won't have a problem. >> mr. trump is terrible. do you know how many people have been injured at our shows? nobody. nobody. we have protesters, some of whom are so mean, so loud, so vicious they stop us from really our first amendment rights, right? freedom of speech. you can't talk they're screaming. there are very few of them, but they are bad. now, you hear about a couple -- one in particular, vicious, swinging. well, guess what happened, our people started swinging back. 90% of the time i'm telling the police, take it easy, don't hurt them, just take it easy, don't
hurt them and, you know, it's one of those things. but we are not provoking. we all want peace. this group -- is that true or what? we don't want trouble. >> one of your supporters decided to sucker punch a protesters. do you accept any responsibility for creating this atmosphere? >> i don't accept responsibility. i do not condone violence in any shape and i will tell you from what i saw the young man stuck his finger up in the air and the other man sort of just had it, but i still -- i don't condone violence. >> we talked about his shows, willie geist, i mean, it still -- he's still in entertainment mode here. he thinks of them not political events or rallies, but shows. >> we all picked up on the same thing when he said that is correct our eyebrows all raised. he said he doesn't condone the violence like the 78-year-old man in north carolina who threw the forearm shiver to the guy
but then went on to say i will pick up his legal fees. that's condoning the violence. >> putting all of this into context and digesting it, you have put it into words on a piece that just popped on "the washington post".com website, friday's freak show was as prepackaged as a rerun of celebrity apprentice, the only difference was that donald trump delivered his lines on a phone from a hotel room in the windy city instead of on the set of his made for tv boardroom. it was all a scam. has anyone noticed that trump's campaign now regularly stages media events designed to eclipse any negative coverage that predictably follows republican debates. as has been the case throughout the entire 2016 cycle trump thrives on the political chaos that he helps create. if it is true that opportunity and chaos are the same word in mandarin, trump should stamp that word on a poster and sell it at his next scheduled event. for the manhattan billionaire
manufactured chaos is just as profitable for his brand as paris hilton's sex tape was for hers. >> wow. i'm upset at my editor because i said cat missourier. a cat hanging from something and then the word right there. they took cat poster out. nicole think about it, marco rubio launches the most vicious attack against donald trump in houston, the day after chris christie endorses him -- >> stop the bleeding. >> -- and consumes all press coverage. nobody talks about that debate the rest of the weekend. >> nobody talks about anything else. >> and then they knew they had another debate coming up so they leaked news before the debate started of ben carson, announced a press conference the next morning and then suddenly -- i mean, come on. you can read through the rest of the piece. there's so many things lined up to show they knew exactly what they were doing, they knew they
would get more press coverage this way, they knew they'd charge up their supporters. it was all a made for tv protest. >> i think that's right and i think that his performance in the phoners is the kind of performance that he usually gets recent reviews for, people find him a calming presence but the irony is he's calming a crisis that he created. >> was there a meeting with the chicago police where they were told please -- did the chicago police tell him it was too dangerous to have a rally? was there a meeting with the chicago police? >> he has a security consortium. >> yes, but law enforcement officials, real people, did anybody tell him it was too dangerous? >> the chicago police did not say -- said they did not. and eddie, as richard -- or bill bailey said, he certainly selected a very strange place for a rally in the center of a city that has had one party democratic rule longer than the
soviets had one party rule. literally. it's been since before fdr was elected president of the united states. and on a college campus that's 25% hispanic, 25% asian and 10% black. as bill bailey said, it was as if they knew it was coming and that they were intentionally stirring the pot there. >> i like your phrase manufactured chaos. this is trump's political theater. the interesting thing about is it is manufactured chaos but there are real harms, real injury that follows from it. one of the things we do know is what he's been saying he's been saying all along and the fact that he takes it to uic, where you have communities already organizing, people have already been struggling over laquan mcdonald, people have already been struggling over the closing of public schools, so teachers,
chicago public school systems, people have been challenging raum emanuel. so to bring it no that powder keg and light the match you will get what we saw. in the midst of all the theater there's real harm here. there's real injury here. people are really responding to the rhetoric. and i'm not talking about his supporters, i'm talking about the actual folk who bear the brunt of what he's saying. >> right. >> so what we saw at the chicago rally were people responding viscerally and passionately. >> viscerally. >> mike barnicle, you also look at what's not manufactured, but what certainly a lot of people have been focusing on have been donald trump's words over the past, like when he said in las vegas i'd like to punch him in the face, or when he declared that in the good old days protesters used to be carried out in stretchers, or when he told his audience knock the crap out of them, would you? and it is manufactured chaos,
but at the same time it is actually i would argue it is donald trump's own supporters that are going to these rallies to see him that are going to bear the biggest brunt of their champion's abusive language. i think we're going to see more and more protesters pour in until he starts calming things down and stops talking this way. >> well, joe, look, this is now both dangerous and guessing, these rallies. donald trump entered this campaign known by most people for two words, you're fired, on tv. now he's known by a multitude of people for a few more words. get them out of here. and it's the way he says it. and a candidate at a minimum level has an obligation not to use his presence or per presence, his or her words on the strump, to insight a riot
and that's what's happening. each and every day, multiple times a day a trump rallies. and he has an obligation to say, pump the brakes here, folks. let's all calm down. this is politics. this is not a riot. but he hasn't done it yet. >> he has an obligation obviously. he also has massive opportunity to do something amazing and instead of taking that opportunity and that platform and pivoting and running with it and urging not only peace but something beyond that, he is the "wizard of oz," he is just the man behind the curtain doing nothing really with no heart and no brain and he has so much potential here, he could do so much with this. i know everybody has strong feelings about trump, especially people that come in and out of this room, but do you know what, he has a massive following. he could do so much with it. >> mark halperin, the thing is he has been playing the short game for a very long time.
i've been calling him a political day trader because he's known what he has to do to win the day, to win the hour, to win the media cycle and he knows what he has had to do to cut out a plurality of republican voters and he has done it brilliantly, he has done it by himself. >> absolutely. >> and he is going to win the republican nomination. he is probably going to lock it down for the most part tomorrow. but at this point this sort of day trading may help him in the short run with the trades that are right in front of him on the computer moving quickly, but will destroy him at the end of the day. >> and maybe our country. >> i'm just saying just politically. forget about all the hyperbole, forget about blood running in the streets, just politically this is a dead end. you get your 35, 40% of republican primary voters, which only make up one-third -- people
who vote in primaries make up one-third of who voight in the actual general election among republicans and the world expands so much, the voting world expands so much going into the fall that he is for every one of these primary voters he's polling this way he's losing 3, 4, 5 general election voters. do you have any evidence that there's an understanding in the trump campaign that they need to shift gears and stop playing this short game, stop engaging in this day trading? >> well, the day trading analogy is a good one and i'm not as sure as you that he's going to be the nominee right now, we'll see after tomorrow what happens as i expect we will be down into a three-way race, but there's no doubt -- look, friday i said he was being cavalier about reacting to what was going on at his events, that was well before chicago. it's gone beyond that. i think as mika suggested he's got a huge responsibility which
he did not live up to on the shows yesterday and on friday night in his phone interviews that he d even if he's not the nominee, even if he's not president he is a national leader now and he's not even close to living up to the responsibility he has to try to be a more calming presence and to explain what all -- what is happening at his own events, which he called shows. but let's see if he -- if he doesn't get a majority of the delegates i think between what happened this weekend and what happened when he was asked to respond to david duke, i think it's going to be sees yer for the establishment to take the nomination away from him. i'm not saying they will, but if he doesn't get the majority at this weekend's events it will make him harder to win the vote at the convention. >> we predicted interest your honor could win the nomination, we made the prediction that marco rubio -- i predicted that marco rubio's campaign was never going to go anywhere and predicted about a month ago that donald trump could actually -- if you look at the industrial
midwest, donald trump could actually win the general election. that prediction is pulled off the table for me. you look at the david duke da mural, you look at yet another attack at islam as a religion saying they are our enemy and now you look at friday, i can't begin to tell you how many swing voters, how many independent voters, how many moderate republicans, how many conservative democrats, how -- and i know from the phone calls that are pouring into me. i can't tell you how many people over the past three weeks have gone, do you know what, i was thinking about it, i'm not thinking about it anymore. that's not to say he's not going to do well. he's just not going to win the general election in this mode. not even close. >> i have heard a lot of people say the same thing as you, he was an interesting candidate for a while, he's different and shakes things up, but after the kkk forward i think a lot of people have gotten off that middle ground where he thought
they could vote for him. i think you're right in the short game. it helps him, maybe he wins illinois because of t maybe he wins -- he is going to blow out in florida but maybe he creeps up and wins ohio, but playing this long game it's not going to work for him. there are too many people in the middle. >> playing the short game, yeah. >> let's bring in onmeachum real quick. jon, i think a lot of people were waiting friday night to see what donald trump was going to say and do in reaction to chicago. he got on the phone with chris matthews and blamed the protesters and said this is why we have to keep fighting, because of people like this. >> right. i mean, anger is a great starter, it's not a very good finisher. >> well put. >> i think joe's analogy is a good one on the day trading. you know, a lot of us have said this is almost analogy proof, the whole trump phenomena, because you had a case of a protest candidate who was in the
midst of taking over a major party. it was like a hijacking that the passengers joined the hijacker and we were all in favor of it for a while. now it's feeling more like george wallace. it's feeling more like a traditional protest candidacy that plays to extremes in order to drive both media attention and the passion of a disaffected minority. and presidents of the united states cannot simply be the embodiment of the dis affections of a minority. they have to represent the aspirations of a majority and that's the jump that trump has failed to make. still ahead on "morning joe," "saturday night live" had some great material on the clinton campaign, we will show you some of that and also the moment from her campaign trail that wasn't from "snl," but it might have been. plus john kasich is trying to stay the happy warrior for the republicans.
can the governor stop donald trump in his home state of ohio? but first bill karins with a look at the forecast and that was after another violent weekend of weather. bill. >> yeah, we were dealing with the flooding thursday, friday, right into saturday, those rivers are still high throughout louisiana, mississippi. last night we dealt with severe weather through arkansas. we did have reports of numerous tornadoes, thankfully we did not have any a talts or injuries, just minor damage. you can see the funnel cloud and possible tornado in that image there. there was a lot of hail across the state of arkansas last night. those storms have finally weakened but did leave these mark. up near louisville, southern indiana, that's what's left of those storms. our string of great weather is done in new england, heavy rain in philadelphia, northern new england mixing in with wintry mess with this, too. as far as today the really bad weather north carolina late today, with he could see severe storms into rally late today.
a little over 20 million people at risk. thankfully the coverage of these storms will not be that great and they will occur late. most of the people trying to vote in illinois should be just fine. chicago late in the afternoon, early evening that line of storms will come through, ohio, won't affect any voting in ohio. a lot of changeable and we are not going to see any more of these record highs as we start to see typical march weather across much of the country. hi i'm kristie and i'm jess
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1% controls 90% of the wealth in this country. and i've always said that. ever since i was a young boy growing up in brooklyn. oh, brooklyn. and when it comes to that darned wall street, i've always believed no bank can be too big to fail, no executive too -- you know the rest. so thank you, millennials, for lending your support to the biggest outsider jew in the race, hillary rod dam clinton. there is a lot of work to be done and that's why i am so sick and tired about hearing about my own damn e-mails. >> wow. wow. weird and funny. >> incredible. >> that was a great episode. you had -- larry david was on in the open playing bernie sanders. good episode. >> do you remember when kate mckin then hillary clinton she
played and the real hillary clinton celebrated getting donald trump. just how fast the sanders fact checking team to be after making this remark while campaigning in missouri on saturday. >> we're going to pull together and stand up against those powerful forces. i always get a little chuckle when i hear my opponent talking about doing it. well, i don't know where he was when i was trying to get healthcare in '93 and '94, standing up against the insurance companies. standing up against the drug companies. >> i mean, mika, why didn't bernie sanders -- he has to answer this question -- why didn't he stand up? >> he did. >> beside hillary clinton. >> because he was standing behind her. she was right behind her. it took the sanders campaign less than five minutes to tweet a link to video from 1993 of then first lady hillary clinton thanking then congressman bernie sanders for his support on
healthcare. >> -- grateful for the leadership that many people are giving to this great reform effort and i'm grateful that congressman sanders would join us today from vermont. >> and it's just pathetic that it goes on. in response clinton's communications director -- oh, come on. don't. you guys were wrong. jen, come on. we love you, but hillary clinton was wrong about bernie sanders and should just probably apologize and move on. >> here was the quote exactly, he was standing behind her, she was out in front. >> come on. there's also this photo of a 1993 note from clinton that hillary clinton wrote to bernie sanders in which she thanks him for his, quote, commitment to real access for all americans. this was the same year that sanders fought for single pair healthcare in his state albeit unsuccessfully. you know, that's not nice, it's not truthful, it's not where you
should be right now as a campaign. you're winning and there is a whole trustworthy thing. don't add to it. don't add to it. simple mistake. >> kind of keeps going. i mean, it was -- you know, last week they were saying that bernie sanders voted against the auto bailout when they knew that that really wasn't -- >> totally misleading. >> -- wasn't true. it was misleading. here is the thing. they don't have to do this, they are on their way to victory. >> it actually speaks to the assumption -- i think it's a reigning assumption about the clinton campaign and about hillary clinton and the clintons generally is that they will do anything to win and that there's a question around her character. >> right. >> is she trustworthy? what are her commitments? what are her principles? will she say anything to achieve -- >> would you lie about bernie sanders, the senator from vermont whose record is quite good and apparently seems to be a good and decent man. i don't understand. why? >> you could put on your own website and say oops and people
would move on much more quickly. >> or i forgot. >> i think both these campaigns are exhausted, they're -- they've got their nose down and can't see the forest through the trees but they could be funny and gracious in the moment, say we goofed, it happened. >> there is no funny -- there is no humor or graciousness in the candidates. i will say i wanted to go to the exhaustion deal right now. you know it better than anybody else and that's what steve schmidt said, whenever people really screw up on the campaign trail it's usually exhaustion. i cannot believe the democrats had to talk again last night. >> someone is talking again tomorrow or tonight. >> it's absolute madness, it's great for our republic, great for this country, great for democracy, but, my god, for the candidates, this has to be absolutely exhausting and mind bending. >> dehumanizing, i remember screaming at all of you on
election day, i was three time zone away, you were watching obama vote. you turn into a person you don't recognize. >> clinton and sanders are on msnbc again tonight. it's a mistake that hillary clinton made about bernie sanders, i get -- i totally -- it's in the past. i don't get the campaign doubling down and trying to make it worse. meach meachum. >> in 1980 when george h.w. bush was running against ronald reagan in new hampshire he shook the hand of a department store mannequ mannequin. these things happen. >> these things do happen. coming up on "morning joe," it's disobedience but is it civil? donald trump a skews bernie sanders supporters of interrupting his event and says his campaign is being held to a double standard. we'll hear what the senator told al sharpton when the reverend joins us next.
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if you go to a bernie rally or a hillary rally, let's put her in, okay, if you go to one of these rallies and you protest, oh, you will be in trouble. they will lock you up for the rest of your life, they will give you the electric chair and they will say, poor bernie. oh, poor bernie. he had to endure this. with us they don't say that. >> at a rally in ohio he has called you out, he says you ought to tell your supporters to stop coming and protesting at his rallies. what is your response? >> we have never, never once,
told anybody to do anything like that. the truth is this guy really is a pathological liar. he says the first thing that comes to his mind, i guess he is referring to me as a communist. i think it's terribly important that trump tell his -- his supporters that in america you don't go around beating up people who are protesting or who have a different point of view. he has got to start changing his rhetoric and not blame other people for the problems that he is causing. >> you know, mika, in the lion king this is what they call the circle of life. >> they do? >> yes. >> okay. >> donald trump attacks bernie sanders. >> right. >> riles up his crowd, bernie sanders attacks donald trump. >> yeah. >> riles up his -- i mean -- >> do they help each other that way? >> yes, they do. >> that was senator bernie sanders. >> that's why it's called the circle of life. >> talking to al sharpton. the reverend joins us along with
jeef greenfield -- >> this is what i've been waiting for. >> columnist at the new york post and contributing editor at the weekly standard john podhoretz. >> it's a little dark out there. it's a little dark all over twitter. >> as the guy says at the end of alfred hitch dock's foreign correspondent, the lights are going out all over europe. i mean, that's how it feels to us about the continuing chaos that lokey the lord of misrule living on fifth avenue. >> if you can to an avengers reference all the more power to you. i'm always checking the news feed and everything. this weekend it got so ugly from everybody. i said, jack, let's watch peanuts. let's watch the peanuts movie. it was just miserable. so you talked to bernie,
obviously he is offended by donald trump -- >> well, he's saying that his campaign absolutely had nothing to do with it. i think that clearly as you guys are saying this morning, this was an orchestrated kind of event, but i think it's sad because i think that -- >> it is sad. >> -- with all of the problems that we are facing in this country that people are really, really suffering in some areas. that we're down to this kind of scene of chaos and taking polarized sides, and then after blaming who did what. i think the people in the middle suffer. i also don't understand trump's strategy because at the end of the day it goes back to what you and i talked about, joe, that james brown told me, when you get out of the lounge in vegas and go on the main stage you have to upgrade your act and he's doing a lounge act in the main room. you can't in the main room do this. >> he's continuing a narrowly focused sort of day trader
approach that worked very well and will work through tuesday, but after that it won't work as well. >> well, my concern is that when donald trump this weekend doubled down and says he will pay for the legal fees of the sucker puncher. >> right. >> and goes after bernie and all of that, that we're learning something about how he views his support. in other words, he is not looking at himself as though he is becoming sort of the leader of a mass movement that makes up 30% of the american electorate. he's still thinking that his guys are the, you know -- you know, not graduated from high school guys who go to rallies, get drunk and want to punch people. that's who he thinks his base is. >> right. >> we're all arguing, well, you know, he's representing a new force in politics and maybe this and maybe that, you need to listen because he has a lot to teach us -- >> whoa. whoa. who was saying that? >> i lot of people were saying that. >> please tell me who is saying that we -- we're going to be
learning he's going to teach us -- >> i was on the show last week and you had anna ghirardis -- >> i think it was from his lies up and what he tapped into and the interest of it. >> what i'm saying is people say that trump has harnessed a forgotten part of the electorate and we need to see that, but i'm saying he's saying my people are a bunch of violent racists, that's what he's saying. that's who i need to appeal to on sunday morning, not to the mass of republican voters. >> what john is saying, what a lot of people are starting to believe is that donald trump doesn't exactly understand the wave that he is riding. i talked to a lot of reagan alumni out at nancy's funeral and they were saying what he's doing is not new. what he's doing is he's grabbing
the reagan democrats but that's all he's grabbing. he's grabbing the white working class voters that moved over to reagan, but he is not synthesizing that with small business leaders and community leaders and -- >> minorities. >> -- evangelicals -- >> but the interesting thing is that some of those people are responding to him even in the absence of his consciously reaching out to them. >> right. >> i was at one of those events, you know, that people like us sometimes do what they call white collar crime and i was amazed that a few of them, these are sophisticated businesspeople say, you know, i think i'm going with trump because of the strength, because of success, whatever the reason. i agree with you that there is this -- i was at an event commemorating bill buckley's firing line and i never met so many conservatives who were thinking of voting for hillary, but i do think even without
trump's consciously understanding it, it's almost a feral ability, beyond the constituency that john is talk being there are people who are college graduates -- >> there are a lot of people who we've done into -- >> -- who have said it's about time that we have someone like that. >> al, we're hearing that and the suggestion -- i will say this is a mistake that the media makes, donald trump does the dog whistle, donald trump talks about punching people in the face and there is this reduction of everything is reduced to, oh, that's what why people are going out and voting for him. a lot of people, professionals, businesspeople they are just like i'm fed up with what's going on in washington, you know, obama was terrible, bush was terrible, maybe this guy can shake things up. >> i think that he has had that appeal that a lot would not concede. i think what he risks by what he did this weekend is he scares some of them away from him. he starts talking about paying legal fees for people that
sucker punches people at rallies. >> and you don't have a foreign policy team. >> you talk about things that you would punch a guy in the face and then can't really debate social security, some of these same professionals and others stand back and say, well, wait a minute. i liked what he was saying but i'm not sure -- >> the tragedy is -- if you want to call it a tragedy if you are a republican or conservative, you want to say it's a happy time if you are a liberal or democrat. part of the reason that your hedge funders and various other people are feeling this is that hillary -- absent trump hillary is the most unpopular candidate running in history, trump outdoes her by 20 points. there are a lot of people in this country who do not want to vote for her and he is shutting that door, slamming that door. women, hispanics. >> we have to go really quickly but i need quick answers here. will there be a third party conservative run if donald trump wins the republican nomination?
>> i think there are if there is organizing time to do and whoever wants to do it can raise enough money to get on the ballot. that's a 10, $20 million -- >> jeff greenfield, you wrote about a brokered convention, you said the brokered convention would blow up in the republicans' face. >> sure. if the people -- assuming there are any brokers, i have no idea who they are, but if these people get together and play with the rules in a way that puts somebody in as the nominee who hasn't even run, i think the reaction back home reason from the trump people will be nuclear. we saw this, believe it or not, in 1952, we quickly, the taft people had control of the convention, the eisenhower people went to the public, they were inundated with telegrams and stuff. now in the age of social media can you imagine what that convention will be like if the trump people -- >> i think it will be chaos and i think over the last three weeks i think a lot of republicans will say we will take that chance. >> jeff greenfield, reverend al
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the single biggest day in john kasich's political career as his presidential bid all but hangs on winning his home state. willie hosted a town hall with the governor on friday in ohio and started by asking him why home field advantage hasn't translated into a bigger lead against donald trump? >> well, i think we are gaining now, willie. i think people, you know -- i believe that we will have a good solid victory here, but we have to work. that's why i'm in lima today and will be traveling all across the state. it's an odd year. i mean, there are all kinds of things happening, but we are ahead of him, the latest poll shows us up 5. i just think we have to work hard. we're doing everything we can possibly do and, look, i could say, well, they don't want me to leave because they want me to stay as governor but i'm not going to say that. i'm just hoping they're going to say let's move our guy forward. >> donald trump up with an ad airing in your home state here hitting you on a couple things.
he says you are an absentee governor, you have been out campaigning when you should be taking care of the state, he hits you on your time at lehman brothers, seven years as an executive there. how do you respond to the ad? >> first of all, wall owing in the mud with donald is not what i think is a successful strategy, but i will say one thing about lehman brothers, i ran a two-man office in columbus, ohio, and if i bankrupted lehman brothers from a two-man office i ought to be selected as pope. that's like blaming a car dealer in lima for the collapse of gm. it's necessary negative and desperation, but the people in the stay know me so i'm not concerned about it. >> he has floated the idea that you would be a great vice president for him. >> he better not say that in front of my wife. >> you represented did sh. >> i'm serious. >> look, you've said in the past you would support the nominee even if it were donald trump -- >> i believe i will be the
nominee, but i have the second best job in america. number one is president, number two is governor of ohio and i love being governor of ohio. >> so if donald called and ask -- >> come on, willie, i just answered your question. >> so you would not accept a vice presidential nomination from donald trump. >> well, i'm going to be the republican nominee after we win ohio and finish the rest of the country. okay? >> all right. >> that one is going to be close. >> it is. >> what do you think? >> you know, i think what happened friday night in chicago is the wild card for ohio. ohio is huge tonight. kasich is a great candidate. >> he really is. >> i don't know that he fits within the context of where that party seems to be heading in these primaries. >> which is a shame. >> yeah. but friday night is the wild card. >> if he wins ohio and you have cruz picking up a state or two, then suddenly it's off to the races. it's going to be quite a battle.
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all right. let's talk about what we learned today. mika, what did you learn? >> i learned that no matter what you say about this election cycle it is misconstrued ten times over. >> what do you mean? >> i will just leave it there. you can't say anything. >> they are just some stupid -- >> you can't say anything. >> you know, people are so angry right now that they're just looking for a fight. >> angry, yeah.
>> the very people that are arguing about what happened friday night, basically live that way every day. very angry. they need to take a deep breath or two. we're going to be okay. >> donald trump needs to learn how to deal rhetorically with the anger of the crowds. >> no doubt about it. he needs to stop playing, you know, the short game. being a day trader only gets you so far and it's not going to get him much past, you know, the republican nomination. and if that's all he wants and then lose by 20 points then he can keep day trading. if he wants to grow he's got to do the hard work and bring people together, stop dividing, stop using inflammatory language about punching people in the face and paying for people who are sucker punching and bring the party together first and then try to bring the country together. >> that does it for us. steve kornacki picks up the coverage after a quick break. have a great day, everybody. i've got a fantastic deal for you- gold!
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