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right now on "andrea mitchell reports," the stop trump movement inside the republican party has targeted. can they close ranks? >> we find donald trump and hillary clinton both unacceptable. and we want to call for a unity ticket within the republican party now. >> donald trump's krconservatis. i am trying to help raise money for senator cruz. >> convention fight. bernie sanders suggesting a floor fight with hillary clinton in his big rachel maddow interview. >> we think that some of these super delegates who have now supported hillary clinton can come over to us. we get a lot more of the independent vote than she gets and frankly, and very honestly, i think i am a stronger candidate to defeat trump than secretary clinton is and i think
many of the super delegates understand that. >> and don't ask, don't ask. usa today's susan page asking laura bush if she would vote for donald trump. >> i'm not going to answer. >> is there a point where you would feel compelled to come off the sidelines? >> this is about our values and one of the very first things, one of the reasons we are a country is because we believe in freedom of religion. and that is what we need to remain. to what our own values are. >> and happy friday, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. republican insiders here are scrambling to solve their donald trump problem, but secret meetings, public pronouncements,
millions of dollars in ads have not slowed him down. joining me now is nbc's katy tur covering the trump campaign, of course, from the beginning. and msnbc's chief legal correspondent, ari melbourne with a deep dive into the republican convention. katy, first to you. all of the secret meetings, donald trump is plowing ahead. >> reporter: yeah, the campaign is feeling confident despite all of this strategizing against him, all the anti-trump movements, the stop trump movements. every time they come out, it's fallen by the wayside. we've seen a number of super pac ads against him and establishment candidates go up against him and all of that so far has not worked. he is leading by quite a margin. the question is, will this money not necessarily diminish him, but will it keep him from getting that magic number of delegates in the convention? if it does, will the party then take it to a floor fight?
will they have the guts, essentially, to try and take away the nomination and those republicans who support donald trump, it could fracture the party and the trump campaign is trying toef emphasize. he believes there could be riots. he's getting condemned for that including by paul ryan saying you can't threaten violence or even talk about that sort of thing without potentially foreshadowing it or not necessarily encouraging it but opening the door to it. and the trump campaign is not backing down though. they believe that they're the ones that are going to get this nomination. they believe they're the ones that will deserve this nomination once these states finish up voting and once we get to the convention in july. >> but when they get to the convention in july, ari melber,
you've spoken to more than a dozen members of the national committee rules committee, the convention rules committee what a condensed contested convention would look like. very interesting reporting here. >> reporter: we spoke to about a third of the standing rnc rules committee. they write the first draft of the rules. how the contested convention would function and they send it to the convention rules committee made up of delegates around the entire country. you can bet trump and cruz want to put people on that and goes out to the floor where the entire convention delegates say up or down, vote on it. we want to show you something special to take all of these boxes and rules, to show you what it looks and feels like. mitt romney was already the nominee. there was an open fight but a telling skirmish on the floor
whether ron paul would get a symbolic vote. romney pushed back against that through the lawyers and rules experts and when he came out to take the romney side, that was all of this unrest on the floor because some delegates thought it was unfair and they thought the fix was in to say it was a yes vote no matter what. listen closely as we play this down memory lane and hear some of the unrest on the floor. here we go. >> with our objection to bring this as ordered, the question is on the adoption of the resolution. all of those in favor signify by saying aye. all those opposed no. >> the resolution is adopted. >> what you saw there was some people cheering, romney folks. but a bunch of people booing. to my ear when we play this back, the yeas and the nays
sounded similar. if you push too far. look, you want to have world war iii and destroy the party? then you change the rules drastically and have a problem. it will be a hotly contested convention. we heard that concern about anything seen as going too far to stop trump but i'll end with this point. the nuance in this whole narrative boils down to whether convention voting is a special ploy to stop trump or a primary season and they clenched a delegate majority. that is going to be the duelling narratives whether it's the rules as normal or something special to stop trump. >> i was going to say, we looked at john boehner there. he is the chair of the convention, as the speaker of the house. just institute paul ryan for john boehner, and you can imagine why paul ryan is in such a hot seat no matter what
happens here. >> reporter: they use the house rules. not robert's rules of orders, which does give extra powers. >> and katy tur, obviously, the trump people are reaching out. they are, if nothing, very well organized at figuring out who the key players are going to be. clearly, they are going and looking at these delegations. they're probably going after, you know, the marco rubio people. all the people who dropped out. carson, who had some delegates. they can start picking off these delegates and adding to their haul of delegates right now. >> reporter: and reportedly, everybody that was on the carson delegate team has now gone over to the trump camp. i would go that donald trump's own campaign is a delegate in new hampshire, voted into that position and some people were calling that very unusual, questionable on social media. but i spoke to the rnc and there is precedent for that and isn't
necessarily questionable. the question though, as ari was pointing out, is if they get into the rules committee and change the rules, that's where we have to pay attention. if they try to change the rules to take this away from donald trump, will it be something akin to a world war iii scenario as one of his sources was talking about? the trump campaign is trying to stop that from happening and they are using the influence they can to do that. the majority of which is donald trump himself going out on stage and saying, if you don't give this to me, there will be problems. >> katy tur, ari melber, for all of your great reporting, thank you both so very much. joining me now, msnbc political analyst, former pennsylvania governor and former democratic chairman, ed randell. you know something about conventions. keeping order. and former utah governor, john leavitt, now a john kasich supporter. leavitt, you were a top romney person and now you've just come out and endorsed john kasich.
he is heading to utah. why is john kasich going to be campaigning so aggressively in utah when that would be a chance for ted cruz, as i understand the utah rules, if ted cruz wins a majority of the delegates, then it could become win or take all and have more of an impact against stopping trump or slowing trump down. tell me what utah rules would mean. >> if one candidate gets more than 50%, they get 100% of the delegates. that's very unlikely to happen. i think under any scenario. i think you see likely donald trump not do as well in utah as they have in other states. and there will be a tightly fought battle between senator cruz and governor kasich. >> wouldn't senator cruz have a better chance of getting more than 50% against donald trump if john kasich were not playing in
utah? >> well, so it would be true if senator cruz wasn't playing in utah. my guess is governor kasich would do better but it's a three-way race and the truth of the matter is, donald trump, ted cruz, or john kasich isn't likely to get 1237 delegates before the convention. i believe we will see a contested convention. and by the way, this isn't the first time it's happen. there have been 26 times in history where one party or the other has had that an interestingly enough, the person who goes into the convention with the most votes rarely has become the nominee. >> and ed randell, i know the democratic party rules are different indeed, but bernie sanders last night with rachel maddow was indicating that he thinks he would be the best person to get the nomination even if he doesn't come into the convention with the most pledged delegates because he says he could persuade people, especially the super delegates, he would be a stronger candidate
against donald trump. >> well, andrea, i admire what senator sanders has done. he's really moved the dialogue in important ways but he's wrong for two reasons. number one, not only will hillary clinton have the most pledge delegates, and that was the argument the obama folks used for the super delegates the last time but right now, he's got 2.5 million more votes in democratic primaries and caucuses than senator sanders has. you can't turn your back on a margin like that. but secondly, bernie sanders said he runs better in the polls against republicans than secretary clinton does but has been the subject of negative commercials and negative outreaches for 23 years. bernie sanders hasn't been tested yet. if he became the nominee, the negatives which start rolling in and i don't think you'd do nearly as well against the republicans. i think there's little chance that senator sanders can persuade the super delegates.
if something happens in the next three or four months, if i believe bernie sanders is the best chance to win, i'd vote for him regardless of my affection for secretary clinton. but that's not going to happen. >> let me go back for a moment to governor leavitt. the republican national committee rules member curly hoglan spoke to msnbc. as you go forward with the long shot candidacy for john kasich. >> the media has created a perception that the voters will decide the nomination. political parties choose the nominee, not the general public. >> then why bother holding the primaries? >> that's a very good question. >> the delegates are free to vote conscience on all issues before the convention and the nominations. >> if i was dead set right now on preventing donald trump and i am myself a republican, it seems i would put all my effort into
making sure i knew who was going to be serving on that rules committee that's going to set the rules for the convention a week before it actually starts. >> well, you're absolutely right. and i think that work is going on right now. >> is that john kasich's best hope, that he can get convention rules going in that would favor his candidacy? because according to our calculation, he would need 107% of the remaining delegates in order stop donald trump and go in, at least with the majority. >> i do not believe that any of the candidates who remain, trump, cruz, or kasich will get 1237 and then it begins an entirely new campaign at that point. there have been ten times in american history we've had this kind of a contested convention and interestingly in that ten, only three times did the person who holds donald trump's position become the nominee. and the democratic party, it's
happened 16 times and only 7 times did the leading vote going into the convention become the nominee. this is sociology that plays out at this point. it's important to remember while donald trump has won a plurality, he has not achieved a majority. a majority is counted according to the rules when the votes are cast and one candidate gets 1237 delegates. that's the way the process works. and that's the way nominees have been achieved in the past. >> don't you think the party would splinter apart? if he comes in, perhaps not with the majority, i know he needs to get on the first ballot but if he is denied the nomination after having such a margin over the others, don't you think that the delegates there or the party and the voters would just rebel?
>> this country didn't really understand the electoral college process either until we had bush/gore and now we all understand it. i think we're in for a very realtime education on how parties work and the way the nominations are achieved. donald trump has not achieved the majority support of the republican party under the rules, and i don't think he will. when we get there, we'll find out there's a majority of people who do not support him and he may win it in that context, but he'll have to win it there, not just in the primaries. >> governor randell, there's a report in the new york times which the white house is pushing back against that the president at one of his fundraisers in texas said it's just about over for bernie sanders and certainly seemed to be putting his thumb on the scale. in favor of hillary clinton. >> i think the president is going to stay out of it
officially. and it is over for senator sanders. he has a right to contest this to the last primary. that's what hillary clinton did in 2008. senator sanders has supporters in all of those states. he has the right, almost the obligation towards them to be on the ballot. i think you'll see him go all the way and go to the convention. andrea, i'd like to say in response to what governor leavitt said, those 26 times where it's been taken away and in most cases, taken away from the person who came in twith th most votes without many primaries or caucuses. virtually every state has one and it would be hard if donald trump comes in with a big lead in votes like hillary clinton is going to have. she's 2.5 million votes ahead already. it would be hard to turn your back on the world of people. >> we have to leave it there. both governors, randell and leavitt, thank you both so much. thanks for being with me. >> thank you.
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nominees through when they have their own party controlling the senate. at that point, the judiciary becomes a pure extension of politics. that damages people's faith in the judiciary. >> joining me now, brian dietz, senior advisor to the president and supervising this confirmation battle. thank you very much for joining us. it just strikes me that with this thing so political, the president's arguments about the value of the judiciary and the independence of the judiciary and compromising battles to come, i'm not sure that will really work with mitch mcconnell right now. >> reporter: look, we're in a political season. the president acknowledges that and you know as well. the stakes are really high and the supreme court is an institution that does need to remain above politics.
the president, what the president said was that he is qualified for the job and it's a basic issue of fairness that he should have the hearing and american people should get to look at his qualifications and take an up or down vote. i think that's the case most americans agree with. and we'll see where we go. >> the rose garden ceremony. he made a hard and fast line. so far, there have been a couple of senators including few like mark kirk who are willing, they're up for reelection and at least to meet but not to have a hearing because there will be no
hearing. this is what susan collins, a moderate republican from maine said last night. >> i am pleased to see that many more of my republican colleagues are now indicating a willingness to sit down and meet with judge garland. we get to vet him. we get to review all of the numerous rulings that he's handed down over 19 years that he's served on the dc circuit. that's the way this system should work. we really owe our duty to the american people to give this nominee fair consideration. >> brian, you were discussing the fact that there has been so much support for him in terms of his record. and just the humility that the president described, the character of the man. at the same time, liberal groups are pointing to his support for the george w. bush administration's position in judicial rulings about gu
guantanamo detainees and rulings against defendants. liberal and so-called progressive groups are not happy with this nominee. >> well, i think that, first of all, what you've seen over the past 48 hours is an enormous amount of support and that's ranged across the board. i think that i would take issue with your characterization that across the board, progressive groups aren't happy. you've seen progressive groups reinforce that this is an eminently qualified nominee and move forward in consideration of the nominee but chief judge garland has an extraordinary record of public service. on the bench, as a prosecutor, and in private practice. this process is about everybody taking a hard look at that. we're confident that when people look at his record, they'll see somebody decent and is fair and who does what the law requires in a very thoughtful way who
builds bridges, and builds consensus. and this is the kind of nominee that deserves to be on the court. so look, this process goes in stages as we all know. a couple of days ago, republicans were saying they would meet with the potential nominee. now, an increasing number of republicans say they meet. we'll do those meetings. people are going to have a chance to really understand chief judge garland and it will just become increasingly apparent his qualifications speak for themselves. >> this battle will go all summer, i suspect. >> we'll keep making the case. thank you. >> thank you. bad decision when an american isis detector is saysing after his captive tic t tichlt. says ing after his captive tichlt. af. saysafter his captive tichlt. af. . . . . . g after his captive tichlt. . . t. . i. . .
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>> breaking news out of brussels. there's a raid. joining me from istanbul, richard engel. i know there are reports in the belgian press along the mastermind of the paris attacks. there was a raid going on. we haven't kwiconfirmed that th involves him, just yet. is that correct? >> reporter: this is correct. this is very much a developing story. there are different versions of events that are emerging. police have confirmed that a commando raid is under way in the molenbeck neighborhood. there is one report that wasn't exactly described as the mastermind of the paris attacks, but that someone who is deeply involved in the paris attacks, one of his lo jis tigisticians.
he may have been wounded and holed up inside this building and the reason people are focused on him at the moment, earlier today, there was a report, a release from belgian prosecutor saying his fingerprints had been found in a raid been in that other neighborhood. >> he potentially ran off to this other location and the possibility has not been
confirmed, all we know is that a raid is under way. and is he the fugitive from the paris attacks inside wounded, in custody, but that's the focus right now. >> thanks for that clarification. the belgian police at the time were widely criticized for having led him get away in the first place. is american intelligence and french intelligence and others all involves in the manhunt? >> reporter: this goes back to the paris attacks. 130 people in the bataclan theater, several others. he managed to escape, described as the most important fugitive but officials around the world including french officials, american, knew there were other people involved in the paris attacks. 11 people arrested in connection with that. there's an ongoing hunt.
where is he? there's been other times they thought perhaps he was cornered for captured or about to be cornered or captured. and then on tuesday, there was a joint raid. six officers from, four from je belgium and france. they went in with such a small force. when they opened the door, they were met with gunfire. and reinforcements were called in. but as the reinforcements were coming, two suspects managed to escape. was he one of them? but inside the department, the fingerprints were found. although authorities haven't said exactly how old the fingerprints were, where they made immediately before he escaped or perhaps in the apartment weeks or month ago?
>> if i could switch gears with you. this american who had gone and joined isis and is now held by the kurds. it was affected from isis, talking to the kurds. he talked to kurdish tv. i want to play a bit of that interview and ask you about it on the other side. >> the life in mosul, it's really, really bad. the people were controlling mosul don't represent the religion. i didn't really support their ideology. and that's the point when i decided i needed to escape. >> this is pretty extraordinary. he's from virginia. what is his back story? >> reporter: so he's a palestinian american. 26 years old. studied criminal justice, he says, at one stage in virginia. he had been traveling around
europe for the last four to five months, according to this confessional video. this confessional interview that he gave, he should be noted while he's still in custody, he gave it to a kurdish television station and the kurds are holding him. so how free he was to express his mind is an open question, but in this 15-minute interview or so, he describes his background. how he wasn't a particularly religious person. that he went to travel through europe. and then ultimately came here to turkey. met up with a woman and traveled with her across the border into syria. and then stayed at a safe house for foreign fighters until he was dispatched to the iraqi city of mosul, which is an isis capital. and then while there, he was undergoing isis indoctrination and according to his own testimony, he didn't like it. decided he needed to escape and
crossed battle lines and found a kurdish position and assuming that the kurds and the americans are very close, he approached the kurds, surrendered or was captured because the kurds put handcuffs on him and continuing to detain him and he says he went to fight the kurds because he was close to the americans and wanted to go home. >> fascinating stuff. richard engel on everything, on top of it all. good to see you. coming up, ready to rumble. bernie sanders gearing up for a convention floor fight. hear how he laid out his strategy to rachel maddow. next on msnbc the place for politics. this mom didn't have time to worry about a cracked windshield. so she scheduled at safelite.com and with safelite's exclusive "on my way text" she knew exactly when i'd be there. so she didn't miss a single shot. (cheering crowd) i replaced her windshield...
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down. "wall street journal" political editor columnist, michael joining me now and editorial columnist from the "washington post." thank you all so much. bernie sanders is laying out a scenario where he would be fooigti fighting this not only on the super delegates but they have a better chance of fighting donald trump. >> he's gone from he's going to win the most states to he's going to win the most delegates to now i'm just going to tell everybody they should just pick me based on polls, not on votes, not on delegates. i think to ask someone who has just become a democrat to then expect to go to lifetime dnc members and say, walk away from hillary clinton and pick me is the most extraordinary argument that we've heard on the democratic side. >> let's talk about the republican side for a moment. michael and donald trump. you have a big problem with
this. the stop trump movement, they've tried millions of dollars of ads, a unity ticket. they had a three hour meeting yesterday. so far, no agreement on anything. ads are not penetrating. all of this stop trump stuff and mitt romney backfiring, he only needs 54% of the remaining delegate selection to go over the top. >> yeah, every group of republicans that i meet with now. breakfast, lunch, and dinner, are therapy sessions. people wondering how they deal with this fact because it's not just a political decision. it's a moral one. there's a cabinet who's placed exclusion at the center, the heart of the republican message. that's causing people real concerns. what do you do? do you sit it out? do you support a third party candidate? do you support hillary clinton, which might be possible? >> or do you suck it up? >> yeah, and look at the pathetic example of chris christie and the way he looks in this, and these are horrible,
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our breaking news. french president confirmed a major operation is under way in belgium with the full cooperation of french authorities and police. president hollande confirmed it's tied to the november 13th attacks in paris. he cannot confirm injuries or deaths at this time on this raid. joining me from istanbul again, richard engel. richard, obviously, there is something major going on there with the french president now confirming it. we just don't know what it is that is confirming. >> reporter: well, we know what he's not confirming. >> right. >> reporter: president hollande said there's no confirmation that the fugitive is in custody. there are multiple reports, most of them coming in different belgium newspapers. one said the fugitive, the most
wanted person, for his involvement in the paris attacks, or alleged involvement was wounded and holed up in this apartment and then he was taken alive and efforts to confirm his identity. at this stage, president hollande is saying there's a raid under way. france is cooperating. it's a big deal. it's connected to the france attacks, but no word if he was inside or in custody. >> if you'll stand by for a moment, steve clemens of the atlantic is in brussels. can you tell us what officials there are saying? >> reporter: we're at right now at the brussels forum and have the president of the european union and high-ranking european officials here. so the security services around us, i'm speaking to and were
tells us about the raid both yesterday and today. this news that sa lad de salaam has been captured or wounded, i was told. and so news is filtering through and on a person-to person basis here on the forum. that's what i've heard. a major deal of course, we saw yesterday, a raid that had been done and right now while we're in belgium, there are major anti-terror raids going on as you have many of europe's most important public officials here meeting in this city. >> what they did confirm is that one of his fingerprints were in the apartments on tuesday. we do not have confirmation that he is part of this raid and captured, wounded, or is any way part of it, but what is happening is according to president hollande connected to the attacks in paris. when your conversations -- >> right, and --
>> go ahead. >> reporter: i should add that while it hasn't been confirmed, it is interesting that the security officials here guarding us have been informed themselves. that was the source of my information here. so they're sharing information with people that are in the security services, and in brussels city now. >> that is a big indication. in our conversation there, the paris attacks have really transformed politics here. when we think back, it wasn't just san bernardino that fueled the trump fire in america. it was the paris attacks. and the feeling of vulnerability in western europe. what is the sense there. how transformative were those attacks in the sense of security or insecurity in western europe? >> i would say it's a piece. there's several pieces that have made politics in europe broadly very toxic. one has been the refugee crisis.
the other has been the internal security challenges and the fear of those that many, many from belgium but also, france, germany, also those who have gone to that sense of insecurity internally combined with the economic malaise that hit so much of europe, it has created a toxicity in the politics here that's hard to describe. but i mean, it's actually in my estimation, worse. so there's a fragility here that you can hear in almost every discussion in the brussels forum. so when you're sitting in the middle of something and hear about the anti-terror raids going on and have many people here, people are afraid and worried that this is driving the political response in very uncomfortable directions, in directions that remind people of a time before world war ii. and so you feel it when you have the assembled people here and
when you're here, when this action, these anti-terror raids are going on combined with some of the deal-making around the refugee crisis right now. i know there's a deal announced with turkey and returning refugees from greece and expelling them from europe. all of that is combining to create a real fragility here. >> in fact, in germany, angela merkel just lost some elections, some in the parliamentary elections because of the reaction, the conservative reaction against her open arms policy towards the migrants initially. joining us now as well, richard engel and steve clemens is chris dickey, the long time paris correspondent and msnbc contributor. chris, president hollande is confirming that this raid in brussels is connected to the paris attacks. what more do we know from french officials? >> well, look. it's unquestionably connected.
and so is the shootout in brussels a couple of days ago. they have been hot on the trail of salaam, the one survivor of the team that's terrorized paris on november 13th for quite a while. and they were closing in on him and finally, they seem to have got him or at least injured him and had him cornered. so i think that there's a feeling that that's a real breakthrough in this case. but of course, it's very doubtful that salaam desalaam. he seems to have chickened out at the last minute of the suicide bombers and other names and other people they are looking for, possibly in europe. possibly in syria, that they think really are the keys to that attack and maybe the link between that attack and the "charlie hebdo" attack. >> richard engel, when we, and as i say, independently, have not confirmed this but these are the reports and clemens from
officials in paris and brussels, how important of a link this would be if it is ab de salaam? >> it would be a victory for counterterrorism officials in france and belgium. one more person responsible for a hideous crime and taken to justice. let me see if i can connect the dots we've been talking about over the last couplie of minute. was considered one of the logisti logistics, his brother ones of the suicide bombers. always they were saying questions, why didn't he blow himself up? did he chicken out in the end? why did he survive? what was generally a suicide operation. there was a major manhunt for him. there have been several attempts where they thought they've gotten him and then a key breakthrough happened on tuesday. in tuesday, middle of the
afternoon, six authorities combined french and belgium, raided a house in the forest neighborhood, not far from where this neighborhood, where this raid is taking place right now. while they were doing this door-knocking operation, they had a small force, the commandos, the s.w.a.t. team received fire from inside the apartment. eventually, reinforcements were brought in. two people escaped from inside the apartment. the suspicion is that he was one of them. the person who was killed, however, has been identified as mohammed bel kied. and we have been reporting over the last several days, been given a troef of documents with some new other organizations. and the birth date and the name for mohammed bel kad matched the document we found in given by someone claiming to be an isis
detector. and that document is effectively the profile. it says he was born in 1980 and wanted to be a suicide bomber and had residency in sweden. authorities in belgium say this same person using a different name had probably wired money to the paris attackers. so there appears to be a triangle or a circle of suspects that is getting smaller and smaller as authorities are moving in and now, it could be culminating with this raid ongoing. or the raid that was ongoing an hour or so ago in molenbeck. >> really interesting stuff. as you say, connecting the dots. on the phone right now. laura, have you heard definitively about whether or not he's been captured? >> i called into one of the stalls. he has been neutralized.
and what does this mean? we don't know if he has been killed or if he has been arrested again. the wall is that he has been neutraliz neutralized. there's also another that's important. a fact that the other man named samuel who has been since december has upheld and been in the attack and what is interesting is that this man in belgium, was killed on number 18. and we think that the two people today in brussels were members of, of course, the sam ring and there were family members. it was interesting in the investigation to see that ab de
salaam not in syria, he was in belgium and he was to hide himself in belgium since the attacks in paris. >> laura hime. thank you so very much. stay tuned with chris dickey, vichd engel, laura hooim and other correspondents. we continue to cover this breaking news on the raid in brussels in the mallenbuck section. and has been neutralized, been captured or killed or injured. remains to be seen. stay right here on msnbc for continuing coverage right after this break. we've created a new company. one totally focused on what's next for your business. accelerating innovation. accelerating next. hewlett packard enterprise.
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breaking news out of brussels, belgium, where a raid is under way. we believe it's in connection with the paris terror attacks and possibly connected to one of the most wanted men in the world. officials in the country say they have found evidence that sala ab de salaam have been in an apartment raided by police on tuesday. his older brother among the suicide bombers who killed themselves during those attacks that of course, left 130 people dead in paris. ab de salaam is believed to have fled paris since the attacks and been on the run since then. nbc's richard engel is live in istanbul. >> reporter: it appears the raid in molenbeck is winding down. officials there say a police