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>> roll over, roll over. >> it took joe silvermanears to become a master dog trainer, but only a few commands to deposeit checks. in l.a., 1:00 a.m. in new york, we have a call -- too early to call. it's kind of a call. >> a characterization. >> a characterization, sure it is. gop caucus, donald trump, ted
cruz, takes its place on the board. it is joined by two other early to calls, arizona primary, trump, arizona primary for hillary clinton. it is the aforementioned donald trump, and katy tur has more on tonight. >> they're saying the devoters have spoken. i was talking to the campaigners a little bit tonight before the arizona results came in and i asked how they felt about it. and they say they believe the voters will speak for themselves. and that is what donald trump and the campaign has been doing for sometime now. they say he is bringing out the new gop voters and millions of people. and they do believe that he will be able to get to that magic number of 1237. if he does not, they also believe he will still have a plurality, so when you hear donald trump talk about the
nomination, you hear donald trump talking about the voters and warning the establishment, the gop in general that if they try to take it away from him they will go with him and fracture the republican party. i can tell you that gop sources i talk to agree with him in that event. they say if he gets close to the number, the nomination will be his. the question is if he gets something more akin to a thousand delegates and cruz comes closer or john kasich does. that is when an open convention does happen. they feel confident after this big win in arizona tonight which was definitely expected. even though he may not win in utah after all is said and done the campaign does still feel very good. especially because the northeast is coming up and the west both places donald trump has done well in, in the past. so they're just saying wait for the voters to speak their minds, cast their ballots and they believe they will have a
victory. >> katy tur, in our news room, imagine how lucky you are not only to spend the night on the road but here with your closest friends. >> thank you. >> to washington we go, to chris matthews, and the steve schmidt on the stop trump effort? >> yes, i thought that katy tur told the story pretty well. your view? >> again, we keep talking about donald trump not reaching this number of 1237 delegates, but week after week, commanding win after commanding win he is well on his way to securing the number of delegates needed to be on the first ballot. so when you look at the actual math and the states ahead and the regions of the country where he will be on the ballot very difficult to see how donald trump falls below that 1237 number. given his performance and of course everybody else's. >> let's talk about the two big headlines, certainly this
headline is not as big as the other headline in brussels. put them together, what will this event do to affect the campaign? >> well, of course the second major terror attack in europe in a matter of months, all the intelligence agents telling us there will be more. that a guerilla war is on the way in europe, this country is not immune to it. this country is likely to be defined by events that have not occurred. and when we have attacks in this country and more attacks in europe, people look at the status quo and people will want a strong leader. and donald trump has occupied that strong leader stance from the beginning. but if you have more attacks in the homeland and more attacks in europe, you have a lack of response with the administration all bets are off. we tend to always look at
politics and particularly presidential campaigns through the prism of events that have already occurred. what happened last week? but the events that will shape the outcome between now and november are unwritten. >> in the same way i look back not to the distant past but fairly recent, ronald reagan won after the hostage crisis 50 diplomats taken and released. they were not tortured or anything like that. but it was a national assault on us. they wanted strength. >> it was a national humiliation, people viewed the incumbent president as weak. and you have these pivotal moments that occur in any run. the fall debate, ronald reagan went into the debate with a question about his ability to lead. he emerged, people looking at the man, the former governor, as
a possible candidate. >> what is the message that will win? strength, nationalism, trump, will it benefit from this terrorism that goes on? >> donald trump is something we haven't seen in the country for a long time. he is an american nationalist. his nationalism expresses itself on national security issues, we should not foot the bill, managing other countries' defense. it manifests efforts that we will destroy the enemies when they attack us. i'm not arguing that his message is not simple solutions to complex problems but that doesn't mean that it will not resonate with an angry electorate that has lost complete trust across the depth and breadth of american culture. >> we put ourselves in the
studios with really smart people in front of us. it just reflects glory back on us. steve schmidt is a smart guy and proved it again tonight. and sarah has worked for -- are you ready? cruz, fiorina, romney, rnc. she is occupying for tonight the nicole wallace seat on the court for the remainder of the evening. so it is important to ask you what you make of all of this conversation. it is as if there is a federal law passed that 30% of our time, every time we do this is devoted to the status of the stop trump movement within the gop. >> i think it's fitting. it could be more like 50% although we have yet to see it because we still have three people in the race. but at this point, the stop trump moochblt is a very real movement within the republican party and up until tonight we saw that in close primaries. i think this will be the close
primary that donald trump has actually won among republican voters. so that in o-- >> he does appear to be winning by a mile. we don't have all the results in yet, just looking at the arizona results as they come in 65% of the vote in. he is up by 24 points. >> and correct me if i'm wrong. all the numbers are still the early vote numbers. and what the cruz campaign has said, the election day numbers, they will show the movement once it narrowed down into a three-man race. and it will show the momentum, plus the utah numbers which they expect to come in very heavily for cruz well above 50% -- >> so they want bragging rights out of arizona, the difference between people who voted then and who voted today. >> that is correct. >> it is a movement, but is it a movement -- how far can this movement go and can it reach its goal of stopping donald trump? what do you think?
>> i think it can. i think the numbers are there. earlier tonight somebody said that neither john kasich or ted cruz have the math to get to 1237, it's not technically true. ted cruz has the math o-- >> >> john kasich would have to get now more than -- >> to run the democrat -- >> marco rubio still has more delegates than john kasich. so i do think ted cruz can get there. >> ted cruz can get there riding a unicorn. >> he can get there to the contested convention with a real number of delegates with his unicorn in tow. i think he made a reference -- >> the -- >> the daughter of daughters. >> i'm surprised. >> so -- but that is -- i do feel like the cruz camp saying like no, no, no, it's not going to be a contested convention.
we're going to win before cleveland. if that is a contested convention that is a republican establishment fantasy for what they want for donald trump. i feel like that spin is so ridiculous it sounds like somebody is playing a record backwards. the donald trump theory is that he would love to win before the convention. nobody else has that option, fair enough? >> i think at this point, it is certainly the most likely outcome in terms s of what do trump wants. i don't see a way for donald trump to come out with a contested convention -- >> even if nobody else has anything anywhere near that? >> you know you look at the rnc rules, and the free ballot delegates, even pennsylvania which won't even have ballot delegates going in -- >> i mean, look, and there is a bunch of ways of challenging what we presume to be the givens, like the so-called winner take all states.
the primaries that were open, those are technically against the rnc rules. then ope primaries. we haven't seen those challenges before because romney came in last time as an overwhelming nominee so there was not anything to challenge. the big lesson that the republicans have learned and the democrats should have learned it by watching the republicans this year is be very, very careful about early voting in presidential primaries. how early do you want the voting to be in a presidential primary? it's now starting to look like it is unwise to have early voting more than a week before a presidential primary when you see a giant field of 17 candidates with them just dropping out constantly. and the votes we saw go up on the board in arizona tonight, not just for rubio, but guys who have been pretty much out all year. >> and for north carolina -- >> and those voters would have loved to have had a chance to
actually participate in the real outcome tonight in arizona. and they didn't even get the chance. >> on twitter, they say many people showed up to vote and -- >> early voting in the general election is a completely different business and it makes a lot more sense and we should make it much easier for them to make decisions when you have nominees in parties. but boy, this is a lesson about early voting systems. >> here is the thing about the contested convention scenarios that i just can't get past. the last time we had one was a long time ago. it was before the internet, before social media. before successive presidential elections gave voters the impression that they got to choose the candidate. and that it wasn't -- >> there was a small -- >> so i just wonder whether the party really wants to cross that
bridge. and really wants to say to its loyal voters who think they're choosing the nominee, you know, we're sorry but we're really going to pick somebody else. >> i think if donald trump doesn't get to 1237, which i think is not just a real possibility but the likely outlook at this point particularly looking at the utah numbers if election day is what it turns out to be, that is what it is. i think that at that contested convention, i don't doubt just based on twitter responses alone that donald trump followers will be very upset if he doesn't walk out as the nominee. that being said, the rules were clearly set up in advance. this was not the back room deal with cigars -- >> it's just that the guy didn't get the majority vote. what do you win in america on less than a majority vote? what exactly do you win? >> a whole lot of primaries. >> there is ben ginsberg --
>> this is a country that knows very well that you can get 59 out of a 100 votes in the united states senate and lose. so it's not complicated to explain these rules that this convention makes a majority vote, this candidate doesn't have a majority rule, nobody does, now we'll get another roll call, that is not hard to understand. >> it's got to be hard to explain. i concede that point, but you look at for example what is going on in georgia, where donald trump won georgia by a lot. georgia is going to turn up at the democratic national convention and cast all their votes for ted cruz? that is going to be harder to explain and that is what is going on right now. that is the stealth campaign that is not happening in public, but is happening at the convention and that is going to be harder to make a case for it. even if you have a rules based
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early votes cast. so we wouldn't have lots of votes in -- one of the things we are waiting on right now, which we're told we may be waiting very long for it. is the democratic only result for idaho. we just to the representative a moment ago, in the most populous county in idaho, which is ada county. trying to get a little more clarity on what is happening with the democratic caucus tonight, what is happening in ada county tonight and what it might mean when the rest of the country can go to bed. mr. ferguson, thank you for joining us, appreciate you being here. >> thanks for the wonderful introduction. >> tell us what is going on with the idaho democratic caucus. as far as i know your previous record turnout statewide was in
that epic race in 2008, barack obama won hugely, the statewide turnout was 21,000, it sounds like you will below that out of the water. >> yeah, i believe so. we have reports of all of our caucuses around the state. and there are 40 different sites having higher than expected turnout. and of course in ada county there were people waiting in line. the line was reported to be a mile long. what is interesting is they're not angry, they're really happy. they say it was cold and windy and they're in here and really excited. it's getting late. >> because of that mile-long line and because so many people turned out in ada county we know that the caucus did not start until more than two hours after it was supposed to start. what does it mean in terms of when you think you may get a count out of this enormous
caucus in boise? >> it's really tough, but we're about to have the first round of results announced shortly, i hope. and we've got a whole roomful of ballot counters working on this. and then we have a second vote. my guess is that it may be an hour or two before we have results to share. >> do you -- to be clear, do you have results from the other 39 or 38 sites around the state where they have voted but presumably not in these giant numbers? do you have results for everywhere else except boise? >> there are places that are still caucusing right now, and we made a decision not to release the numbers until everybody had caucused. we didn't want one end of the state to discourage or influence the other. so we want everybody to vote their mind and heart. when everybody has reported in, we'll report.
>> well, you have helped us make a decision here on set, which is we're definitely ordering takeout. but one last question for you before i let you go, dean, obviously, idaho is a red state, but a red state like a lot of red states that have blue dots, and there are states, lovely places in idaho. i wonder getting the giant turnout tonight, seeing all the enthusiasm, people willing to wait in line in the cold and wind and still be happy about it, how do you as a democratic party in idaho plan to capitalize on it to try to make your state less red overall? >> in truth, we have already capitalized on it. we have focused on grass roots building with the county parties. we have the county level getting stronger and stronger and part of that is what is driving this turnout. so on top of that we had a couple of visits from sanders.
we have had sanders and clinton campaigns working this state. we know who these voters are. we've got their names, we've got their numbers and when it comes out to get out the vote time we're going to encourage them to get out the vote and vote for idaho. candidates, legislators who will do sensible things like extend medicaid to 79,000 people who currently don't get it. >> dean ferguson, communications director for the democratic party who has a first world problem on his hands tonight. massive, massive, democratic vote are turnout tonight. we look forward to hearing the results from you when they're all in. >> and the first of its campaign. bagpiper set of caucus. >> knows how to do it right. >> to steve kornacki we go at the board. steve? >> well, we have been looking at the arizona results tonight and
it's amazing, we've rarely seen early voting affect a primary like we have tonight. we talked about it, they have been voting for a month now. donald trump has won the state and won it big. here is a look at why it happened. marco rubio is getting 15% of the vote as they tallied. in the biggest county of the state, maricopa county, this is 60% of the electorate in this county alone. what we know is that marco rubio in the early vote got more than 47,000 votes in maricopa county. they are now adding up the vote today in maricopa county and so far marco rubio has 82. 47,000 before today, 82 so far today if you're ted cruz or someone who wants to voting, how many of those would have gone to ted cruz? the other thing is, you notice on the arizona map you notice
there is one county in the state, this is ted cruz' color, graham county, that is the most mormon county in arizona. it has the highest concentration of mormons in the entire state of arizona. now, think about that. because the state we're just starting to get returns from on the republican side is utah. the most mormon state in america. graham county, the concentrat n concentrations of mormon in graham county, it is magnified there. ted cruz up by 60% in the very early returns from utah. this is critical. the number in utah that ted cruz has to hit tonight is 50%. if he hits 50% he takes every one of the delegates up for grabs in utah. all of them, if he is a vote shy he has to share them with the other guys. a good sign for ted cruz, that one county he is winning in
republican caucus, too early to call. ted cruz, john kasich, trump. idaho, too early to call. we've just put a big sign up that says too early to call. i'd like to go down to chris matthews. and chris, i don't want to come near to the end of the evening on a down note. but i was so struck by what you said tonight about what became this day in history. the story we woke up to, and you talked about the possible motivation. and disenfranchisement of these men who woke up and got in a cab and decided to end their lives. we talked about it in the context of politics. steve schmidt is right.
this race could very well turn on events outside our country, a national emergency of some sort. but this is the backdrop we have been given for this election season. >> right, and i think in so many ways it's a fight between the east and west, between those who have taken islam to terrorism, these three young men of course did it this morning. they could have not done it. they chose to do it. they were led into it but they decided to go into it and give up their lives to it and certainly maybe the third is at large right now. and in this country, in kind of an asymmetrical way, there is kind of something going on in this country of a nationalistic sentiment. and i've been thinking about it a lot with the trump phenomenon. and it's so new to us, compared oh bernie sanders, for example, it's interesting to think about what they all talk about. it's not the same thing. bernie sanders doesn't talk about the same things as donald trump nor hillary clinton or ted cruz, the four of them who are
really competing now. ted cruz is a government person, hillary clinton is a government person, who believes in getting things done through government. passing bills, improving things, reforming regulatory agencies, improving through legislation and sitting at a desk signing bills going through a flip charge, going through it with staff. and stopping bills, vetoing bills, ted cruz, they're government types. they fit the mold of politics in our lives. bernie sanders talks about competing claims in members of society, how a young person coming out of school is really owed something. we should give that man or young something they have not had. don't make them debtors basically for the first half of their adulthood. that is about competing, wall street where they make a lot of money, the traders, the
speculators, they owe something back to society. so i had thithink -- am i suppo stop talking? >> no. >> somebody just told me to. >> no, please don't. >> you have one man who is very effective talking about competing claims. we know what they are. young people, old people, people in need, people who need more health care, they need health care as a right. those who are comfortable in their health care situation. so competing in society. he talks about in societal terms. trump doesn't talk about society or government. he talks about the country. almost the country we took from the indians. this land mass that we own we're going to fight the russians and the mexicans, the chinese. it's us, it's ours, we're going to fight for it. and this opportunity, which it really is, of terrorism comes inside. and he goes you know what, we're going to fight them, too. and the american people have a certain attitude about it, they
go yeah, he may be over-talking and be fascist in some minds, but you know what, i feel some of that too. the little man who has been shoved around, they say it's not you, so the young person, he says you know what, this country has been shoved around. i'm going to stop it. and i'm going to fight back. that works with a lot of people. they don't have a more sophisticated view of how to shove back. but this guy has the right impulse, we have been pushed around by china and the numbers, and putin who thinks he can reclaim the soviet union and people who don't respect our borders. we have terrorists coming in to get us. so i think that trump, we don't have to like it we just have to recognize with people who study this, which is there is something going on in the mood in the country, which is certainly not the mood that
drives the terrorists. that is certainly terrible what they're doing. there is a certain mentality, the defiance, troop, every time he wins one he gets more victory. people in the center, on the left, people in the center have to pay attention to the guy because he means it. and he is striking a bell and it's going to matter in this election. and people in the world, maybe a half hour ago, people in the world are going to look at us and say we're moving right and nationalistic. we're getting a little scary. and maybe they're right. but we're doing something in this election we haven't done before which is to vote for a nationalist. a real nationalist, brian. >> chris, that is what i asked. and i for one will never ask you to stop talking. thank you very much, that was superb, and we have a winner
projection in utah. bernie sanders will come out on top. here is the gop caucus. we are allowed to say here only that cruz is in the lead. still too early to call. we've doubled our percentage, however. we're up to 2% of the total results in. so -- >> we're still waiting on obviously that utah result. we're obviously still waiting on the democratic result tonight. >> i haven't forgotten. >> i think it's -- you know, in states that are completely dominated overall by one party. when you get a contest in the minority party that is consequential, that really matters. that has national resonance. boy, howdy do you hit a nerve with everybody in that state who is sick and tired of never really mattering in the state's politics. it activates something in a minority party in almost a
communitarian way. >> we're talking about the people in ada county, idaho, that is boise, the biggest part of the state on the democratic side. certainly, this accounts for about 40% of the vote on the democratic side. so the democratic party of ada county just posted what they say are the results on their twitter page from this caucus. and according to this tweet from the ada county democratic party bernie sanders has won 80 to 20% over hillary clinton with a total turnout of 9,115. what does that turnout mean? well, in 2008 they had record-shattering turnout in idaho. turnout would actually be higher than it was eight years ago. and bernie sanders winning that again. this is according to a tweet from the ada county democratic party. bernie sanders winning that 80/20% over hillary clinton. again, this accounts for about
40% of the state coming out of this one county. >> we promise breaking idaho news, we deliver. >> so ada county is not the whole population of the county but certainly a center. and democrats more broadly win when there is large turnout. i mean, we'll see. if he holds up with that turnout, a large lion share of the delegates. >> a large lion's share as opposed to a small lion. we'll be right back after a break. >> i think it's the best political show on television. >> it's a real discussion. >> i got to get something for my blood going in the morning. >> we have to look at a new story and say what comes from our heart. >> you guys got the morning things down. >> the gut reaction usually starts the conversation and is usually where we end up. >> not a news coverage like this. >> i need my morning joe.
the lead. the music -- >> the music stopped quickly, that was not just me? i note one thing on the utah results we just got a call for bernie sanders on the democratic side in utah. the democratic party there is practicing about their turnout. they had said -- the democratic party chair in utah had said that they expected and really hoped for about 50,000 democrats the turn out. apparently, they printed 65,000 ballots just in case. they estimate that they got more like 80,000 people to turnout on the democratic side in utah. so again, that is the bernie sanders theory of the case in terms of how he thinks he wins. he thinks he wins when he gets very large numbers of people to current out. also in terms of the idaho expectations, we just heard from the democratic party communications director that the rest of the state was coming in. and they were just waiting on ada county. now that we have the ada county results which steve kornacki
reported, the ada county reports showed a handwritten result on the yellow legal pad, if ada county is in i expect that the idaho numbers will pick up fast in terms of the other numbers we got. >> hold that to the division of elections -- >> i'm not allowed to. >> lawrence, you're smiling. >> well, i just want to go back to a note that chris matthews struck, he was last speaking and talking about tell world's perception on the basis of tonight's news and the election night news that as chris put it in his last line he said we're voting for a nationalist, meaning donald trump. they can think that as long as they don't get the news that more people voted for hillary clinton today and tonight than will have voted for donald trump today and tonight. they will get that as long as the world does not get the news that more people have voted for hillary clinton so far in this election season than have voted for donald trump.
if you add the clinton votes to the sanders votes you have an overwhelmingly bigger vote against the ideas that donald trump is talking about. and so we have to remember that the -- the republican party is a minority party. it's 28% of america. that is how tiny it now is. and donald trump is winning about 40% of the republican party generally. he never -- virtually never gets -- and national polls doesn't get above 50. so no, we are not voting for a nationalist as a country. a nationalist is doing very well in a very small minority party. >> sarah, you want to have at that? >> no, not really -- look at the time. >> so much there to unpack. but what i actually find also interesting, we' just leave that for just a second is you have bernie sanders and ted cruz
representing the ideological wing of their party. and bernie sanders, having the progressives united behind him. where as the two frontrunners in both of their parties are not getting their own base to gather around them. and i think that will be a problem for hillary clinton moving into the general. i don't think trump will move into the general because of that. i think your numbers could be equally reversed against democrats. donald trump obviously has had 16 people run against him from the beginning. and you know, we have had two terms of president obama. he was an incumbent last time. i think that the republican party's conservative message you see resonating with people who have been left behind by this economy and this president. i think it's why ted cruz is the next guy standing in line. >> why do people like rick perry and bobby jindal and scott walker and jeb bush and so many other sort of less complicated messengers of that conservative message flame out so bad and so
early? >> well, i think one way you can look at that is just tonight. donald trump tweets something, all of twitter ended over his tweet about ted cruz' wife. the media has covered it endlessly. how much live town halls did any of the cables cover for any of the people that you just mentioned -- >> but that is a competitive advantage -- that nobody else was good at competing with him on the news. >> or that capable news cared more about the that than the democratic. it was not just that he was better at capturing -- >> the root word of news is new. and the reason they spent more time with donald trump, every time he opened his mouth he made a controversial comment that changed the news cycle. people ended up following him to do that. the media was following him because he was driving a good media strategy.
no other republican even competed with him on that for a second which is a competitive failure. not something that the media can say they chose to candidate. >> so if you set up the idea, that you don't think you're going to like the candidates you will see -- >> something the candidates exploit. >> i don't think that you can say the traditional republican mental is resonating with voters this year. in fact, a good deal of trump's success today, and he has had more of it than anybody else in the republican field is that what he is saying runs counter to republican orthadox, he talks about entitlements in the way that republicans do not. he talks about foreign policy, frankly incoherently but in a
more sort of reserved almost bordering on isolationist way that republicans traditionally do not. and i think it is whistling past the graveyard for republicans to think voters are not hearing this and responding to it. i think they are. >> i think his message is far more incoherent than you're giving him credit for. i mean, he says one thing in a debate and then reverses and takes it back again, i'm not even sure where he stands. >> i'm second to no one in my appreciation of donald trump. but in that scatter shot, you know, there are ideas and there are themes. and people are hearing them. and i just -- really, i think if the republican party does not win or lose, whatever happens, does not at the end of the cycle take a hard look at what has been traditional republican
dogma on some of these issues i think it is confining itself to even more of a minority status in national elections. >> but you're not going to ask the republican party to go from their traditional dogma which i think may have a couple of incoherences in it, too. to trade that in for pathological lying, because that is the donald trump campaign. this is the campaign that says we're going to do the biggest tax cut than anyone has ever dreamed and we'll increase spending on everything, on social security, on military, on everything. i mean, republicans at least when they say we're going to give and giant tax cut they don't then say we're going to increase spending on social security. >> how about bernie sanders -- >> he will give you the biggest tax increase in history. >> the numbers don't add up. >> and just as you can't spell dogma without dog, they're dogging me to get to a break.
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let's go to the big board, okay, that is fine, democratic caucus, idaho, too early to call. as we head into the early hours, gop caucus, utah, too early to call. fully 2% of the results in. >> with those two outstanding we do have some other races settled tonight. and in terms of what that settled for this years's front line, we turned to steve
kornacki. what did we learn, steve? >> well, coming in, it's still incomplete. cruz picking up 40 there. the big thing, donald trump needed a dominant win in arizona, he got it. this is the 20th state that donald trump has won in this republican nominating contest. that is the goal i needed, 1237 to get the nomination. and i think we can say we'll see if he gets there but the path to 1237 for donald trump it's very clear after tonight that he does have a path. at least a potential path to 1237. >> steve kornacki, thanks to chris matthews in washington, increase, it's been a long day for our country. it's been a sad day for our world. politics has not been the lead story all day as much as we've concentrated on it tonight. if i gave you 30 seconds to sum it all up what would you say? >> trump's nationalism will be the world headline. he will win the headlines of the world.
again, tomorrow morning they're already writing it now. it will be tied to what happened in brussels, by the world. it will be. >> chris matthews, always a pleasure. >> and an arabic translator who works for abc watched the news today in brussels and found when they started to talk about the international response and they turned to the american response what happened it was donald trump on a loop. and that is not representative of how the world in general sees it, but in the arabic world that was seen as being a big part of the american response. >> all right, thanks, to the traveling cowsills family, thank you to all of you. and nicole wallace, wherever you are. ari melber will continue our coverage up over the 2:00 a.m. eastern hour next hour. a pleasure as always. >> indeed.
♪ >> good evening to you, or maybe morning. i'm ari melber with francis rivera. our life coverage continues as we track two major stories right now. in the last 30 minutes, nbc news projecting bernie sanders is the winner of the utah caucus. bernie sanders picking up six delegates in the democratic caucus. we're also watching a l of other races. here you can see the gop caucus in utah with 40 delegates, this is still too early to tell. you see