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it is 5:00 a.m. on the east coast. we're trying to keep an eye on both the election results from last night, but the more important global story as well. what nbc news has confirmed about this suspect, wanted in connection with those horrific attacks in belgium. well, he is also suspected of involvement in those paris terror attacks. that is new as of this morning. authorities saying this 24-year-old najim laachraoui is basically wanted in connection with two terror attacks and he there in the hat as well as those other photos basically is the subject of an international manhunt. what else can we tell you this morning?
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prosecutors said he used a false identity linked to travel and a safe house in the paris attack that i mentioned and nbc news confirmed that the other two seen on surveillance video are brothers. two men you see there, dressed in that darker clothing. that is what we know, that they're related as protesters and that in 2010 one of them was actually sentenced to nine years in prison for a shooting involving a shooting at police with a kalashnikov rifle during a -- during the police. the other was arrested in a carjacking. the police believe both died. jack rice is who we want to go to first. a cia agent and prosecutor. jack, you look at this situation, you have the updates we have been covering throughout the morning. broadening out, a conversation in the united states about profiling, about immigration, about how do you respond to all this and the president returning from his cuba trip. so a lot to process. what is your view of how a big
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picture the united states respond some what differently to the incidents? >> well, my biggest concern here is what we have seen from the likes of donald trump. the idea of targeting the various groups and when i say groups the various communities. if you isolate and you push them further into the fringes you will actually turn them against the very thing that we want. i mean, at the end of the day, in the united states and frankly in europe too, there is a real need to convince various communities that they are part of the broader community. but if what you do you start talking about the likes of sending authorities stomping through these communities like ted cruz has been talking about, this actually isolates them more. this pushes them into the fringes more. this actually convinces those people that sadly, some of the words that had been used by isis are correct. and that's the problem.
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the last thing the u.s. and the europeans need to do is start to act in the way that isis claims that they are. they have to remember who they are because these communities are part of the broader community. this is the only way to succeed, not just in the short term, but in the long term, there is no other way. >> well, in terms of that, some may say that's already happened as far as brussels. as far as what we have seen since the paris attacks. since the arrest of abdeslam and now as we're finding out more about these three people who are involved in these attacks. that there is that culture there, whether it's the ant anti-migrant sentiment there in belgium and in brussels that makes the pockets for these kinds of networks. so my question to you, knowing as we find out more about these three and knowing that the connection across to the paris attacks on an intelligence level, what's being looked at
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now to see who else is out there? who else has been helping these guys, who else are manning, you know, this network of up to possibly even 30 people that we may not even know about right now? >> well, when we talk about the pockets themselves we have to think about the connections that those three have. and we can take a look at who they are in the first place. we have identities now. we have dna now to some degree. we can potentially find out not just who family members are, but look at who some of their associations were back in their criminal days, especially the two brothers. we can look at all of the issues then reach beyond. we can reverse engineer this to make a determination as to who they may have been hanging out with over the last several weeks or months or years if you can do that and follow those lines of questioning. there's no other way to do this. some of this is good old fashioned police work. but we have to look broad. but if the ideas is we'll start cracking skulls because we're
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angry and upset and i understand the angry and the frustration, but this is also about motivating the communities that have the most information to realize they have the most to gain here by reaching out and saying, we want to address these issues, we want to fix this more than anybody else, because we're the ones who lose when this blows apart. we're the ones who gain when we can actually help address the issues. and that is how you do this. it's the only way. truly. >> and one of the other points that's been raised even as isis claims credit for this attack and appears to flex its logistical and security muscles in being able to hit the softer targets in europe, it has suffered gravely on the battlefield in and around syria. how much does it matter from the u.s. threat assessment perspective where isis is excelling because americans are waking up today thinking about the threat that they feel, which
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of course distracts from some of the setbacks in the other fields of battle. >> well, that's what threat is all about, isn't it? this is a three-part war. we have the fight that's going on in syria, northern iraq. we have the fight that's going nonplaces like brussels and paris and elsewhere. and we have that philosophical fight that you find on the internet in the likes of san bernardino. and in san diego and in new york and in miami. and any place else they can reach in the world to convince those people that if they're not going to go over and fight outside of baghdad or some place else, that they may pick up something and do something somewhere else in the world. simply because they're inspired. you have to realize that this triumvirate threat is something you have to address each and every single time in the most appropriate way. >> how can that happen
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especially when it comes to us domestically as you mentioned, people are waking up and finding out can it possibly happen here, even the threat from isis, the darker days ahead. but here at home, when you have especially that we have seen time and time again, the soft targets where it's difficult on an operational front as far as covering that and reassuring the people there that they are safe. go about your business, don't let the terrorists win. and in the same sense what is it that we don't see as far as these soft targets that can be protecting the public? >> well, i guess for lack of a better description we all have to take a breath and act like adults. and understand what it is that we have to do. the sad part about this, and this is what makes it hard, is that for those who are willing to kill themselves in order to maim and kill others, it's very, very difficult to stop it. and we can talk about sealing borders but guess what? at least one of these guys was a
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belgian. so whether you seal the border or not is irrelevant. and the bomb making material could have been picked up locally so that's irrelevant as well. we have to take a breath and realize what we nd to do in the short and the long therm. this isn't a short term question anymore. this isn't what we do this week. it's about what we do next month and next year and how we react. what we do and what we say actually reverberates all the way to damascus and beyond. those are issues that need to be looked at. >> you mentioned some of the political reaction, prior to this attack, republican front-runner donald trump said that he actually thinks the u.s. should reduce its role in nato and he gave cost as the reason for that. here we are a bit over day later with brussels under attack, nato's headquarters and nato's purpose a collective response
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and a military alliance of the west against other threats seeming more important than ever. i wonder if you could gives us your view. it's an unusual position for anyone in either party to say that the u.s. should delever or withdraw from nato. your view on his comments and how they look on a day like today. >> it's laughable, if i couldn't cry about this. i mean, the reality that we all face is that in a world where the u.s. really is the superpower, we are interconnected with the rest of the world and frankly the united states benefits from that connection. there is the reality and the responsibility that goes along with that. now, with that collective support that we get from nato, that means that we don't have to -- when i say we, the united states does not have to be in every single corner and every single spot on the globe. we have the capability and support of other countries as well. so to simply pull back and say, you know what, it's not our
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problem anymore, understand the u.s. is the one that benefits most from all of the worldwide connections and without those connections and without the support of other organizations like nato we'll have real problems. >> all right. jack, stick with us as i want to bring in nbc news counterterrorism analyst and as we find out more information, about this network you mentioned this rolodex of how it will be cast wide, in connecting the dots and filling in the blanks for suspects involved now and the depth and the reach, but also interesting how you see it connected and especially in what's been considered kind of the ground zero of these attacks in belgium and brussels specifically and what is happening there and what's fostered there to make it so prime for this type of activity? >> you know, just looking at molenbeek as a community, as a
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neighborhood, you know, you can't really put an entire neighborhood on the shutdown or lockdown. the idea that there's been an infestation of that neighborhood and there's been little tips about the infestation of the radical elements there and the arms deals that have taken place in that neighborhood and other neighborhoods surrounding it, you know, in belgium. that is just another extra layer of concern. but even to add to that, the ideas that many of those radical elements from that neighborhood have indeed travelled to syria, spent time there. likely trained on using weapons. learned how to build explosives and then returned back with that knowledge in order to, you know, implement it, you know, in the homeland, if you will. so when we look at the brussels as a ground zero, ground zero for a number of things, not just for the attacks. possibly for training, possibly for spreading essentially terrorism knowledge by, you
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know, learning something from the ground, bringing it to europe and so on and so forth. so, you know, it's a major concern and a specter of, you know, rising radical elements there will always be high. you know, in the foreseeable future. >> whatever in the minds of the people there as they wake up to the new information of the identities of the people, of these talks. lathon cory, thank you very much. as we continue to follow wit the breaking developments as it's 10:12 in the morning in brussels as people continue to pour in, paying their respects, remembering those 31 lives lost in the deadly attacks. more after this, on the election results as well, on the crucial primary and caucus next.
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good morning here. 5:15 -- >> or late night. >> or late night. depend on what york you're involved in. another beat to this story, some voters just last night faced very long lines when they were trying to cast a ballot. look at this video from phoenix, arizona, people lined out into the streets. people waiting five hours to vote. a z was reporting on this. the last voter cast after midnight. really, really rough long wait there. we'll talk about that with raoul -- >> three hours in idaho. >> that was of course for the caucus there. now in caucus, i'll run through the numbers. 58 delegates go to donald trump. winner take all. up next, we have the hillary clinton victory there in the same state of arizona. she picks up 46 delegates because the democrats award them differently, but a good haul for her.
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bernie sanders had a good night in idaho, picking up 18 of 27 delegates. meanwhile, bernie also did well in utah, picking up 19 of 37 delegates. he at one point had more delegates than hillary as of just last night. not in the total of course. meanwhile, ted cruz picking up all 40 delegates in utah. he had to clear 50% to do it. he did it. overall though, he still trails 468 to 744. donald trump with a commanding lead, marco rubio is third, even though he's exited the race. that is translation bad news for john kasich, if you're being beat by someone who's not the hunt. bringing in raoul reyes here. you were talking to frances and i want over the course of the night and i want to zero if on arizona. where we had the long lines. a couple of numbers to put in context. in 2008, about 400 polling locations. they have shifted more to voting by mail and steve kornacki
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showed that. they cut down to too much, they were down to 60 locations here and lines running four to five hours. social media up in arms over this. people in arizona saying it's not fair, they shouldn't have to wait this long. >> look. if you look at social media all night long, there were reports of this. just for context, arizona is state that basically one-third hispanic and i think -- 20% of the electorate is latino. not only that, many new voters and many new organizations like many we dream, they're based in phoenix and these are people new to the process. so when they encounter long lines it's easy for them to get discouraged. by contrast when you look at the type -- the profile of those who participate and get the ballot sent in, they tend to be people with a life long voting history. among the new latinos who are
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new to the -- you know, the electoral process, newly citizens since we are seeing a tremendous rise in citizenship applications and especially in the wake of donald trump, i think it's up 14% this year nationally and that's a -- >> right. frances -- >> it's trend going on. until we reach election day or primary day we don't have the data. >> right. you see the lines, frances, our own colleague joy reid was saying that it looks like the new florida. >> and coming into play last night, we were here when the returns came in, and sanders took idaho. people were actually happy, they were happy to wait three hours or more. that shows you the sentiment of the difference of the race. those were primarily sanders' supporters. >> it's great that people are willing to participate in the process this way, but honestly in a primary state they shouldn't have to.
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when you step back, often when we talk about voting rights and when we talk about the cases before the supreme court or legislation surrounding voting rights we tend to look at it in terms of african-american voters because those laws largely came out of the south. but going forward, more and more those types of legislation, those measures are going to center on latino voters. not only in the southwest, but also in the southeast where we are seeing a tremendous growth in the hispanic population. >> i want to be clear, we don't know exactly why they had such long lines. there was talks about changing it because of vote by mail and talks about saving money. if you're waiting three or four hours, something is not working. >> when you look at the place where they consolidated the polling stations they tended to be -- broadly speaking, to be away from predominantly towards more affluent neighborhoods. >> that's an important part.
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if the reason is cost savings or something else if it's not done in a way that people believe is fair, if you're messing with voting -- we have to take a quick break and on a lighter note here, you get a special egg mcmuffin for staying up this late. >> egg mcmuffin and half a pancake too. >> our special thanks to raoul reyes. we have an update on the breaking news out of brussels as well. elections here in the united states and a manhunt unfolding with new details. that's right after the break. understands the life behind it. for those who've served and the families that have supported them, we offer our best service in return. usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life.
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you are watching "msnbc live," 5:23 a.m. on the east coast, 10:23 in brussels. we have new reporting identifying each of the three terrorists involved in the brussels attack airport attack. two of them dead, brothers one, a survivor in a manhunt unfolding right now. and we have an update right after this break. happen. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair works... one week. with the... fastest retinol formula. visibly reduce wrinkles. neutrogena®.
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♪ we can't let you download on the goooooo! ♪ ♪ you'll just have to miss it! ♪ yeah, you'll just have to miss it! ♪ ♪ we can't let you download... uh, no thanks. i have x1 from xfinity so... don't fall for directv. xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. i used to like that song. welcome back to our live coverage of the brussels terror attacks. msnbc's claudia lavagna is
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joining us live. people who may have gone to bed last night knew about the deadly attacks but not who did them. waking up this morning over the course of the night, we have learned a lot about the three attackers at the airport. what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, yes, the authorities believe they have identified at least the two attackers that detonated the explosive devices you have seen in that cctv footage and stills that the authorities released yesterday. now, the two are believed to be brothers, khalid and ibrahim el bakraoui. they were known to the police for many years now. ibrahim was sentenced to nine years in 2010 for an attempted -- for a shot at a police officer during an attempt at robbery at a currency exchange office and spent nine years in prison for that. while his brother, khalid, was arrested and spent five years in prison after he was -- after an
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attempted carjacking with an assault rifle. but they haven't been linked to terrorism under march 15th. their fingerprints were found in the apartment raided by the police in the north district of brussels where they got tipped off by police that that may have contained information linked to the paris attacks. one attacker was shot dead, a number of police officers were wounded. the brothers escaped but their fingerprints were found in that apartment as well as the fingerprints of salah abdeslam. so they were looking for these people, the brothers and next thing theynew they walked into the airport behind me and detonated explosive devices. >> claudia lavagna, thank you. you have been watching "msnbc live" here. mika brzezinski takes over the
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special live coverage straight ahead. good morning, it's wednesday, march 23rd, i'm mika brzezinski. police have identified three of the suspects in yesterday's terror attacks in belgium. nbc news has confirmed that two of the suicide bombers khalid and ibrahim el bakraoui were brothers and one remains at large, laachraoui. but first, witness accounts are shedding more light on yesterday's wave of coordinated terror attacks in brussels. here's what we know so far, at least 31 people are dead, 260 wounded. according to authorities 11 people died after two explosions went off at the brussels airport shortly after 8:00 a.m. local time.


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