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couple of hours, we're getting new information, breaking news in the investigation into tuesday's deadly attacks. the big news is that we now may be dealing with four men, not three. that's according to belgian federal prosecutor. just a couple hours ago, they had this news conference. take a look at this photo released by belgian authorities showing the suspects from tuesday's bombings at the brussels airport. this morning, we learned the man in the center, 29-year-old ibrahim el bakraoui, a suicide bomber believed to have died in the attack. the two men on the other sides of him are officially unidentified but at least one is believed to be on the run. ibrahim's brother khalid was identified this morning as the man who detonated the suicide bomb at the metro down the street from where i'm standing. all told, at least 31 people have died in these attacks. another 2 sfentd have been wounded. many of them critically.
so it's expected that death toll could rise. the victims from at least 40 different countries, including the united states. at least two americans are missing. meanwhile, officials are trying to piece together exactly how these attacks unfolded. both of the brothers were known to authorities, and they had done time in prison, but not for terror-related incidents, for burglary, for carjacking. in the hours after these atta attacks, we have learned about connections between the two men and salah abdeslam. you'll remember him as the paris suspect who was arrested on friday. an apartment in a brussels suburb that was raided by police last week uncovered abdeslam's fingerprints as well as an isis flag. we now know that apartment had been rented by khalid el bakraoui, the younger brother blamed for yesterday's metro bombing. yesterday, police launched a series of new raids, detaining at least one person and covering what they described as a bomb making factory. we're going to go there later.
here's how the belgian prosecutor described what they found there. >> we discovered five kyleoes of explosives. 150 liters of acetone, 30 liters of oxide peroxide, detonators and nails and screws, as well as material to manufacture bombs. >> and this is a live picture of vice president joe biden paying his respects at the belgian embassy in washington, d.c. right now. you may recall yesterday we saw jeh johnson, the homeland security chief and dr. jill biden who is with vice president biden, unfortunately, this is something we have seen -- that has become too familiar as we saw after the paris attacks, and the president signed the condolence book at the french embassy. i want to bring in ayman mohyeldin. so much to talk about that we got out of the press conference. let's just start with what we know about the manhunt under way
right now. >> yeah, there's been a lot of moving pieces to this. one of the interesting developments came from a tip actually from a taxi driver. we'll kind of piece this together, starting from the scene of the explosion. there was a bomb in a suitcase that did not detonate at the time of the initial two attacks that were carried out by suicide bombers. based on that, they were able to trace dna. that helped them identify a third suspect. they're still looking for him. they have not found him. there were conflicting reports earlier today in belgian media he had been arrested. that has proven not to be true. what has proven to be important is an apartment that was raided in schaerbeek. that was based off a taxi driver who saw the pictures of the three men on belgian media, called the police and said he picked up three individuals who met that description from an apartment in this neighborhood and that's what led police to that neighborhood. when they got there, they found ingredients that were explosive in nature. tatp, the substance that was in one of the bombs, they found
screws, nails, they found things consistent with bomb making, and they believed as well there are evidence, forensic evidence linking some of the attackers to that apartment belonging to the suicide bombers. now, based on that, they have also been looking at an apartment they raided last tuesday. it was in that apartment they found the fingerprints of salah abdeslam who was the person in connection with the paris attacks who had been on the run for four months. >> that raises the question, what is the connection, how deep does the connection go? is this all the work of one kehl? >> there are a lot of moving pieces, but the short answer is all the early indications suggest there's. a strong connection between salah abduslaul, the two brothers as well as the third suspect they're looking for right now. not only based on the events of the past 24 hours here in brussels but based on the raid that took place tuesday as well as the manhunt that was for salah abdeslam and all the raids that took place in belgium as a
result of that. >> tell us about the new neighborhood because most of the people listening and watching and followed what happened in paris are familiar with molenbeek, and they know that's where so many members of the paris bombers were and got together. what about the new neighborhood? >> it's again, a neighborhood that is in brussels. but again, not necessarily the same ethnic composition as we have seen in mole nbeekmolenbee. relatively middle class neighborhood. we're going to be heading out to the neighborhood and trying to speak to some of the eyewitnesses who were reporting a lot of police activity overnight. at this point, it does not seem it had the same characteristics as molenbeek in the sense it's not as heavy with migrant community, north african community, muslim community. not as close knit in terms of the people who were there. i think all of those are going to be factors in learning more as to how they were able to have this apartment there and have all of these ingredients that police say were linked to explosive devices. >> ayman mohyeldin, thank you so
much for being here. >> it appears that the devastation at the brussels airport could have been even worse because the prosecutor says that biggest bomb never went off. here's a little more from that press conference. >> he deposited a big bag and e departed before the explosion. this contained the most -- the largest explosion. after the mine sweepers came in, they were able to explode it because of the instability of the explosive. nobody was wounded because of the professionalism of those who intervened. >> and i want to go live to joe biden who is again at the embassy there in washington. >> our police agencies, state and local, and our intelligence communities are all latched up. they're all lashed up. they have come in communications capability, and they are
constantly in contact with one another, sharing intelligence. and our talk with some of our counterparts in belgium, as the ambassador knows, they are dealing with this problem and the way they're doing it is they're mobilizing all the elements of their community, as well as their capability to begin to crack down on and eventually eliminate these terror cells. they will prevail. they will prevail. and you know, you have to remember, incredible courage of the belgian people during world war ii, the incredible stamina, and nothing has changed. nothing's changed. but on behalf of the president, i can say that we are prepared to provide any and all
information capability, technology, anything ewe that cn be value added to their fight. and they will prevail. you have to give them -- i tell you what. they have backbones like ram rods. look at them. they're going to school. they're not letting terrorism win, and what they really want to do is change the way we live. you're never going to let that happen. thank you. thank you. thank you all very much. >> vice president joe biden signing the condolence book at the embassy. i want to bring ing msnbc analyst and foreign editor for the daily beast, chris dickey. we keep meeting under situations like this. i want to pick up on something the vice president said, intelligence sharing. talk a little bit about the united states and europe and that cooperation. but maybe more pointedly, the cooperation or lack thereof between authorities here in paris and throughout france. >> well, when it comes to the
united states cooperating with foreign intelligence services, there is sometimes pretty good cooperation. although controversial, because a lot of the american intelligence comes from signals intelligence, from monitoring communications, from doing the kinds of things the europeans don't like to do themselves because it runs up against so many of their legal problems. and that brings us to the other issue, which is we have 28 countries in the european union. they're supposed to share intelligence. they're supposed to coordinate their police work, but they absolutely do not. they have europe hole, who is supposed to help them do that, but they all have different legal cultures. germany's history with the nazis has left it very leery of the kind of surveillance that may be required fighting terrorism. this is a very disorganized country. brussels alone has 19 different police forces. so you can see the problems that would exist. >> talking to people here, they talk about how much they love the city, no plans to leave the city, but also, obviously, a certain level of fear and
frustration. they wonder if everything that could have been done was done. when you walk it through, four months salah abdeslam is hiding in plain sight. he's captured on friday. he said he was planning other attacks. they knew already that they were planning other attacks. they were concerned about it. there were heightened senses of concern here. and then on monday, we see what happened. so i mean, the question really becomes, did they follow the dots? and what kinds of efforts are being made here to really hone in? or is that an unfair question? >> it's not unfair, but it's a massive effort, but it's not working very well. for a number of reasons. one of the problems is that the community that so many of these people come from, molenbeek, now infamous molenbeek, is a community among other things has an economy beiged ebased on hashish dealing. they don't love the police
anyway. it's also a place where a lot of people think everything is a conspiracy. when i was in molenbeek most of the weekend, we would come across people who would say, oh, the paris bombing, that was the jews, the cia, somebody else doing it, whereas these guys are their homeboys and nobody wants to give them up. all that creates real problems and you have a police force and intelligence service that oveven the leaders will say it's not up to the job. they're not prepared for this kind of massive problem. >> is there any indication that anything has changed in the four months since paris? and obviously, we saw -- i think one of the striking things here today is that in those four days, this city was virtually shut down after the paris attacks. i mean, there was nothing going on. no one was moving. i came in here today, people were going to work. i saw buses. i did see some security at subway stations as people were going and their bags were being checked, but i would not consider it a heavy security presence. >> no, not anymore. yesterday, in the immediate
aftermath, but they're trying to do this thing governments do where they say we're going to return to normal. the risk is that the bad guys are almost certainly plotting to carry out some other attack. there's nothing more psychologically devastating to think you're through this and have it happen again. are they making a mistake? i think they're making a mistake. they ought to have more security on the street and more people out there. after they picked up abdeslam, they acted as if it was closure. as if the problem was all over. people who had been lost relatives or who had suffered in the paris attacks were like, oh, my god. it's so wonderful. it's over, it's over, and then monday, all hell breaks loose. >> thanks so much, chris dickey. we'll see you throughout the day. i want to go to a first-hand account. a witness to the terror that unfolded. here's my interview with matthew robinson who works nearby at the parliament. >> this is your neighborhood.
you live about five minutes in that direction. you work five minutes in that direction. this is your morning walk. >> yeah. this is my morning commute. so i woke up yesterday like any other morning, and that's when i started to hear the awful events at the airport bombing. i worried immediately that they were going to start closing down streets. so i went and walked down, made my way for my morning commute. that's when i started to get frantic messages from friends, my girlfriend, and at that point, i knew something was up. and that's when i started to see people flooding out of the maalbeek metro stop. there were some first responders, but not too many. and people were screaming, crying. some people were getting off buses at that point. i think people were worried about future attacks. nobody really knew what was going on at that point. >> panic, would you say? >> total, absolute pandemonium. >> what did you think was maybe
happening? >> i was very aware at that point the events were becoming clear about what happened at the airport. i immediately thought back to the 7/7 bombings in london where you had an underground bus attack on the public transportation system. so that point, i thought i need to make my way to my office, the european parliament, which is a secure facility. we were diverted probably about ten minutes around that way around shoeman, and i eventually got there. and all entrances were closed. >> were you afraid on that trek to your office? >> well, sure. the police and there were military chasing people and pushing people over to different roads. people, cars being halted and asked to reverse. nobody knew what streets were open or close. i asked one of the policemen can i go up this way. he said, no, another one said yes. i think that's perfectly normal after a situation like that. it's impossible to have a full grasp of what's exactly going
on. >> you're from northern ireland. does it give you pause to be here knowing everything officials have said about the threat of further attacks? >> sure. my parents grew up in the '70s in belfast with the atrocities and troubles there. we're all aware of the post-9/11 generation. these risks exist, and we watch and see events that happen in london and paris unfolding, in san bernardino, in california, but you never expect it to happen literally on your own backyard. and it's just a really sad day for a totally international tolerant community and city here, open to all faiths, peoples. such a tragic attack on what is a great, great city. >> and how are you feeling? i mean, do you think the reality of what's happened here and the threat of what could happen has sunk in? >> sure. after the paris attacks, we had on our commutes for work, we had
enhanced security on the trains. we had french and belgian military and sniffer dogs. there was a sense of safety and calm about that. a visible military presence on the streets. people felt reassured. after today, i'm confident belgians are doing everything they can within current resources, but there's no question more needs to be done, more money needs to be spent on counterterrorism. belgian government have increased their budget to do that, but these networks take time to build up. in europe where we have open borders, you can drive from the port of cali to the site of italy without going through a border check, and with the influx of migrants and the refugee crisis, it makes for, i think, a pretty toxic and worrying sort of mix that can boil up and events like this can happen. >> but you'll stay? >> absolutely. i love the city. i have no plans of going anywhere anytime soon. i'm a proud resident of
brussels. that won't change after yesterday's atrocities. >> that was matthew robinson. up next, how the u.s. is ramping up homeland security in the wake of the terrorist attacks here in brussels. plus, new information coming in from the raids in schaerbeek, where investigators uncovered what is described as a bomb making factory. you're watching msnbc. 73% of americans try... ...to cook healthy meals. yet up to 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more...
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in brussels. we have no reporting on this hour into the investigation of the deadly terror attacks here. and the link between paris and brussels. i want to bring in ken dulainian with nbc's investigations team. what have you been able to find out? >> u.s. officials are telling nbc news that the u.s.
intelligence community is increasingly convinced that the isis network that carried out the brussels attack is linked to the paris network. and they further believe that there are more members of this network operating around europe and poised to conduct further attacks. and chris -- >> ken, have they given you any indication -- >> sorry, go ahead. >> i was going to ask you what are the specific indications that they have that lead them to that conclusion? >> right, there's a lot that they have that they're not sharing with us, but one sort of connection has been made public. an apartment that was raided a few days ago that, where the paris attacker, salah abdeslam, fingerprints were found, was rented in the name of one of the brothers whose identities were released last night, the suicide bomber in brussels.
it was rented under a false name, but by him, we're told. that's one of the links that shows this is the same network. >> ken, thanks so much. i want to bring in loretta sanchez. she's a democrat from california but also a member of the homeland security and armed services committee. always good to see you, congresswoman. good morning. >> thank you, chris. it's great to be with the viewers today. >> the whole idea that this might have been a much larger cell who could be responsible, both for what happened in pairess and the devastation that we saw here yesterday in brussels, what you hearing? >> well, a lot of the information that we now have, i'm really not allowed to release out into the public. i'm sure our department of homeland security and others will at some point release some of the information. i will tell you this. there are links. we have seen aggressive chatter over time with respect to europe. and even some worrisome stuff
here in the united states and to our department of homeland security has been right on top of it. we can't stop everything, but as usual, we have really followed up on some leads. and the problem that we saw in brussels is really a multitude, if you will, a quilt of different law enforcement, and some of the laws that are there don't necessarily mean that they can talk to each other. something that we found out on 9/11 and we changed our laws so that our law enforcement at the local level could talk to the feds, et cetera. so there are things that can be done to make it less likely that this will happen. >> obviously, 9/11, congresswoman, didn't just change the law. it changes our lives. anybody who goes to an airport sees that. here you have a situation where they maybe can't get through security, so it detonates in a crowded place just outside of
the security in the airport. what do you say to your constituents in the aftermath of an attack like we saw in paris or in brussels who are worried about soft targets? >> in fact, we have hardened our airports. anyone who goes can see that. but here's the thing. just as we saw in l.a.x., even before 9/11, i believe, where we had a bomb and a shooter go off outside of the hardened area. so anyplace that you're going to have a bottleneck of many people in line, many people trying to get into something, is always of concern to us. the number one thing that americans can do, and we have said it over and over, is take a look at what is happening around you. be cognizant of what people are doing. let's go back to the boston marathon, where people brought in, left something, and walked away. the unfortunate thing, especially in what we're seeing in europe, is people are willing to bring the backpack in with
them. the piece of baggage in with them. and die with it. it goes back to some of the intelligence sharing that we are trying to get done with different agencies. >> let me ask you very quickly, we're almost out of time, but this has become the topic on the campaign trail, and rightfully so. the american people want to know what the next president might do. but i wonder what your reaction is when you hear some of the statements that have been made, for example, about waterboarding abdeslam or stopping the flow of muslims into the united states. >> well, as you know, i probably represent the second largest muslim population in the united states in orange county, california. they have actively worked with us to insure that anything that is going on in their community is reported and ferreted out. i would tell americans, we need that community. we need those americans to help
us. we will never stop what is happening unless our muslim-american community is with us, helping us. we cannot isolate them. we cannot say, your parent cannot come here for a visit. that is just wrong. >> congresswoman loretta sanchez, always appreciate your time. thanks for coming on the program. i want to go now to nbc's bill neely. he's in a suburb of here, schaerbeek, where they had the big raid last night of what they're calling a bomb making factory. tell us more about the raid, why this place, and what did they find? >> yes, hello. it happened just over there in an apartment block here in the district of schaerbeek. it's perfectly normal district, but quite an extraordinary find there. they found 33 pounds of homemade explosive and around 50 gallons of liquid that could be used to
make explosive as well as debris and shrapnel, nuts, bolts, nails. stuff that can be put in a bomb. that's what was left over after they transported all of the bombs. we think there were four, to both the airport and the metro. so perfectly ordinary suburb. an isis cell and a bomb factory just over there. and we got a lot of extra detail this morning from the brussels prosecutor, who spoke. he said that this was a terror gang of at least four. three are dead. one we know is on the run. and also, that the biggest bomb at the airport did not explode. it exploded late, rather. it didn't explode when it was meant to, when the guy left it on the ground. it exploded late, killing no one. so the death toll at the airport could have been so much higher, chris. really, this was a much more complex, much bigger, much
deadlier plot than the police here ever understood. one other ining line from that news conference by the prosecutor, he said near here, in a trash can, police found a computer on which was the last will of ibrahim el bakraoui. he was one of the men photographed at the airport. and on that computer, he suggests that they launched their attacks because they didn't want to risk arrest, because there were police searches everywhere. he didn't feel safe, he said, that was one of the phrases picked out by the prosecutor. that would suggest that last friday, when salah abdeslam, one of the men involved in the paris attacks, was arrested, and when police said that he was beginning to cooperate, this gang either panicked or decided to bring forward an attack that they had already planned. and that's why they moved as early as yesterday just a few days after salah abdeslam was
arrested. what is also clear, chris, is that this is a much, much bigger terror cell than had been thought before. and it is linked to the paris attacks. >> all those fact terrifying for the people who live here, for sure. bill neely, thank you so much. we'll have more from brussels, of course, updates of the terror investigation as we get them. also coming up, we're going to speak with the director of the international center for the study of violence extremism, who will take us inside the mind of a terrorist. we'll be right back.
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where does this investigation go now? >> well, first thing is they need to find the suspect that they have in this picture. in the airport. they will be hunting him high and low, if you like. let's talk about some of the things that perhaps haven't been picked up on. a man whose details were put out just after salah abdeslam was arrested, this guy is somebody who is reportedly in control in some ways of the paris attack. this is someone who's been to syria and come back. they will be very focused on trying to find him. now, if he is connected to this attack, and they will be suspecting that and trying to investigate that, then that begins to make a link between the paris attacks and what happened here. and if that is the case, then you can look at what happened here and perhaps look at some of the ways in which they are changing the kinds of attacks they're carrying out. we know, for example, in paris, with the suicide belts they used, that those weren't particularly effective from a terrorist point of view. they clearly killed a lot of people with the automatic
weapons they had and killed some people with those belts, but they would have wanted to kill more. what do we see now? we see them now potentially using explosives in suitcases. authorities are going to be asking themselves, are these guys learning, if you like, from some of the mistakes they have made, and are they changing the way they're operating? that's going to create more concern, greater risks. we're also hearing, by the way, from authorities some evidence that the suicide bombers in these attacks were anxious they might be being tracked down. they were pushed to act. so again, you may be seeing less detail from officials simply because they will be thinking about what information they put out and what effect it has on anyone else who is out there. >> bill neely just talked about this. thap found in a garbage can a computer. ibrahim put his last will and testament on it. one of the things he put in this is he didn't want to go to jail. didn't want to sit in a jail. >> remember, when salah abdeslam
was arrested, we then began to hear details of what he was saying. we don't know for sure whether that really was true, but certainly his lawyer was saying that he was talking. and the suggestion was that he was saying another attack was planned. so then that leaves you wondering whether these guys were pushed to move because they feared that they would be tracked down. now, an attack like this does take planning. it does take preparation, does take exper tees. maybe they had some of it ready and acted more quickly than perhaps they planned because they just wanted to get an attack off before the police found them. >> keir simmons, thank you. i'm going to say good-bye to you and brink in ann, the director of the international center for the study of violent extremism. thank you so much for coming by. i understand you were on your way to the airport. you had been here studying this. studying the people who were involved in terror cells. and you're going to the airport and this attack happens. >> yeah, i was here in belgium because i have been interviewing
isis defectors and talking to feel who have gone to syria and come back and the parents of those who have gone to syria. some of them still in isis, some of them dead. i got hysterical phone calls as i was getting into my taxi, where are you, where are you? i said what's wrong? they said the airport is blown up. don't go there. just a few days before that, i had been walking around molenbeek because i was going to a deradicalization center to talk to some people about getting interviews and they did the takedown of salah abdeslam right when i was there, and bullets were flying. so i have missed two things narrowly, and i'm very happy to have missed them. >> as you learn about what happened here, what fits into the profile of what you are finding in speaking to some of these defectors, some of the family members? what struck you as obvious and maybe surprised you? >> well, i lived here in belgium for 2000 to 2007, so i knew a lot about the scene here. and what i would say is that
there's been social issues that have been small fires for a long time. about discrimination and marginalization in the moroccan immigrant second generation, third generation community, but isis has come and poured gasoline on the fires and is fanning the flames. young people are thinking i don't like the existing world order. let's just destroy it. and they go to syria. they go to sharia training. they go to weapons training, and they come back because the borders with turkey are open. and they can get back in through greece and they come back and now we have seen it. we have seen it in paris and hire. and this looks like a big cell that had more explosives and, you know, even more found after the airport bombing right near my hotel in schaerbeek. >> one of the things we're finding again and again is they often have no deep religious crimes. they were petty criminals of some kind. the other thing is here you have two brothers. you had two brothers, salah abdeslam and his brother, who
died in the paris terror attacks. even in boston, with the tsarnaev brothers, what's the psychology of that that you have brothers who are working together? >> well, brothers trust each other. so if one of them gets into it deep, and i think the older one, like i heard you saying, he was very committed, and he didn't want to end up in jail. he wanted to die as a martyr. they truly believe, they have swallowed this poison cukool-ai that they will go and have this glorious victory. they say paradise or victory. they win either way. he truly believed it. i think salah didn't, because we see that it looks like he abandoned his suicide vest, and now he's talking to the law. and in my opinion, because he's talking, they moved up their attacks. >> let me ask you very quickly, is there something you're learning that you think maybe police need to use more as they try to figure out how to track down these terrorists? i think in belgium alone, they have trained 18,000 police officers to look for the signs
of radicalization. >> well, the signs are there. we know whole communities are radicalized. i don't want to pick on the police here at all. everybody has picked on the police. i would pick on the politicians because the social issues need to be resolved, and it's against eu law to discriminate, but people are facing real discrimination, and those are real issues. they're not a justification for terrori terrorism. what the police need to do is infiltrate and do more community policing. but police here have a really tough job, and bravo for the ones they did catch. >> and we're glad to see you here safe. a couple of close calls. ann, thank you so much for coming in. fascinating to talk to you. up next, we're going to take a closer look at the investigation into these terror attacks here in brussels. now, again, possibly linked, looks like they're linked to what happened in paris. we'll be right back. the future belongs to the fast. and to help you accelerate,
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since 9/11, cities across america, certainly airports across america, know what it is to have stepped up security. i want to turn now to nbc's tom costello who is in washington. covering the changes just since what happened here a little more than 24 hours ago. tom, this city, brussels, obviously, at its highest alert level. what's going on back in the states? >> nothing on the same level as what you have in europe. we have, however, had homeland security say, listen, they are advising police departments across the country, and especially those with jurisdictions at airports, to beef up security as best they can, to kind of increase the presence of uniformed and tactical officers like you see there, at major airports around the country. we're talking washington, new york, miami, l.a., chicago, atlanta. and you will see more dog teams, you'll see more of these so-called tsa viper teams. teams that are out really in a show of force with heavy arms, if you will, or at least
automatic weapons, and then the viper teams which are involved in behavior detection, looking for anything that looks unusual. they are not necessarily raising the terror alert level as it were here in the united states at airports and at train stations, but they are trying to increase the profile of the officers. so canine teams as well as amtrak teams as well as, you know, police officers really in a more visible spotlight across the country. that said, you know, since 9/11, it has become cliche to say if you see something say something. but experts will say to you over and over and over again, that has proven to be the best deterrent to stopping a terrorist attack. and that line of defense, the public line of defense, is in many ways far more effective than however many police officers you can put in an airport. if you have everybody's eyes, whether they work at the airport or they're traveling through the
airport or the train station or the shopping mall, or whatever, if you have everybody looking for something out of the ordinary, you're exponentially increasing the amount of eyes on the ground, and intelligence, if you will. so that continues to be the focus, and homeland security again encouraging everybody to be a part of that the last point i would make, two last points i need to make here. first, anyone with a belgian passport coming into the united states does not need a visa, as you know, chris, but they're now double-checking the belgian passports, insuring nobody is on the terror watch list. they want to do a double check of belgian passports. lastly, the u.s. government representatives in brussels at the embassy are asking that u.s. government officials not travel to brussels for at least a week, until the 29th or so, really because of the infrastructure damage at the airport and also because of the security operation. back to you. >> tom costello in washington for us, thank you very much. whenever there is a terror attack like this, the united states also offers assistance, as they did in the paris
attacks. and as we have been saying, there is also this question about the information and intelligence sharing between belgian officials and french officials. let me go to gabe gutierrez who has been looking into this from paris. there's been a lot of criticism, has there been enough cooperation. what are you learning about the way the two countries are working together, gabe? >> well, hi, there, chris. there has been a lot of questions, especially after the paris attacks, as you know, and now after the attacks here in belgium. i spoke to one french politician, a french senator who is head of the intelligence committee here or vice chairwoman, i should say, of one of the intelligence committees and the foreign affairs committee. she really talked about the frustration of these sheer amount of information that is coming in to intelligence officials here in france. 9,000 people have been reported to the french interior ministry as on the verge of radicalization. and this senator said that they
need more resources. more money. she did say since the paris attacks, there has been increased cooperation with belgium. however, now there is -- she says, more x-ray screening of luggage, on trains from paris to brussels. but not the same case vice versa, heading from brussels to france. she thinks that needs to change. of course, there will be questions raised about whether border security needs to be increased. now, with it looking more likely that these attacks in brussels and the attacks last november in paris are linked, according to u.s. intelligence officials, more and more questions will be raised. even today, now there is more ramped up security here in france. 1600 extra security forces have been deployed around the country to keep watch. but certainly, chris, these are questions that will be raised over the coming weeks, as people try -- as intelligence authorities here in france try to establish how big this isis
terror cell is. chris. >> gabe gutierrez in paris for us, thanks so much. >> we're going to take a quick break. when we come back, we're going to talk to a couple kourrnt terrorism ovl officials and do deep dive. to truly feel healthy on the outside you have to feel healthy... ...at your core. trubiotics a probiotic from one a day naturally helps support both your digestive and immune health by combining... ... two types of good bacteria.
we're back here live in brussels. even as the manhunt continues, there are growing questions about whether belgian authorities did everything they could have done to stop an attack like this. we have two key counterterrorism officials to do a deep dive on this. i want to bring in msnbc contributor malcolm nance and nbc counterterrorism analyst lathe elcurry. let me start with you, malcolm. and just sort of lay out the timeline. you have the arrest of salah abdeslam, and he starts talking. he says that he was planning an attack. anyone who has spent any time here since the paris attacks knew that even officials
believed it was not a question of if but when. how do you analyze how this all happened, and could something else have been done? >> well, to tell you the truth, i really think that we need to detach the arrest of salah abdeslam and what he did in paris away from the plot to actually carry out this terrorist attack. the u.s. intelligence agencies, i believe that his arrest, which may have been him set aside by the isis network in europe because he didn't successfully carry out his attack in paris, accelerated the time table. i have been saying this for the last day. when a terrorist cell leader has to come to the point where he needs to make a decision about his operation, he and his team do what called a go no go process. they analyze the intelligence, analyze the security, and they come to that last-minute decision, do we go, do we not go? this team leader decided that they had to move on this operation right away and carry it out.
>> and did you see some clues to that in this so-called last will and testament where we saw ibrahim writing that he was not going to end up in a jail cell? >> yeah, i think that confirms everything that u.s. and belgian intelligence had thought. it's not so much i think him ending up in a jail cell. you have to remember, this is an ideology they believe these suicide bombings are an act of worship to god. and he aunted to carry out his jihad on his terms, and he wasn't going to be caught. security was moving in. belgium was becoming a tight security environment for him, and he just decided he was going to go out in the most spectacular way. >> let's talk a little bit about what we might have seen online. i was just talking to congresswoman loretta sanchez, and she was talking about how they always look for stepped up chatter. had there been stepped up chatter and what about the inkrpgz technology now? >> there has been chatter about attacks in western europe, in
france, germany, as well as belgium for the past year and a half, well before the first paris attacks back in january 2015. but you know, when we look at the encryption technology today, what we have, so many different freely available tools online that really allow you to have end to end encryption communication with a number of individuals. we know something like the telegram we have today from the founders of the russian version of facebook, you know, they provide end-to-end encryption that allows isis, until today, releasing propaganda and of course with other private channels conducting communications that authorities are not able to eavesdrop on. that leaves a big gap of intelligence that we're not able to obtain. >> so it's harder today than it used to be? >> it's much harder. with the acceleration in technology today, you can only expect that as much as we like to use this technology, you know, illicit actors want to use
it as much as any of us to evade scrutiny, to mask their digital fingerprints and so on and so forth. it's vital for spreading the ideology as well as for recruitment and communication. >> laith and malcolm, thanks to both of you gentlemen. apprec ate your expertise. that's going to wrap up this hour of msnbc live from brussels. i'll be right here at 2:00 eastern time, but in the meantime, chris hayes will pick up our breaking coverage live from brussels. that's coming up next. hey!
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i'm tamron hall live at msnbc world headquarters in new york. i'll have reaction from the presidential candidates to the brussels terror attacks in a moment. first i want to hand over our coverage as we get more information on the manhunt and investigation for anyone linked to what we all watched play out yesterday. msnbc's chris hayes is in the belgian capital for us this morning. he begins our coverage. good morning. >> good morning, tamron. good morning, everyone. i'm chris hayes coming to you live from brussels, belgium, where we're following breaking news in the deadly terrorist attacks. authorities announcing new details a short time ago. they now say the man in the center of the surveillance photo from just before yesterday's bombing is 29-year-old ibrahim el bakraoui, a suicide bomber believed to have died in the attack. the other two men in the photo are officially unidentified despite some information that was floated around earlier. at least one is believed to be on the