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leaders saying if he is the candidate, i'm not voting for him. >> that's like predicting the weather a year from now. nobody knows the process. the republican has clear rules. they're following the rules. it is not a banana republican. >> more with the attacks in brussels will continue now with erica hill. good evening, i'm erica hill. it is 11:00 p.m. here in brussels, 6:00 p.m. on the east coast of the united states, we join you live from brussels with our continuing coverage here on msnbc. i want to set the scene, because throughout the broadcast, you may be hearing so loud cheering. there has been a growing memorial throughout the day here. moments of solidarity, but also these loud chants going on for
the last little bit. we have seen a lot of young people out here. we can't make out exactly what they are saying. but you can see them clapping there in the background, and that is just behind us, so if you hear that, we wanted to let you know where that was coming from. we do begin with breaking news. nbc now confirming the suspected bomb maker najim laachraoui was killed. two of the brussels terrorists were brothers. one blew himself up at the airport, the other at the metro station. they're still looking for the man in the light color jacket. today in argentina, president obama reaffirmed his commitment to stopping isis. >> this is my number one priority. i've got a lot of things on my plate. but my top priority is to defeat
isil, and to eliminate the scourge of this barbaric terrorism taking place around the world. >> we are also learning some new details tonight about some of the victims. 31 killed in all. 270 injured. this woman from peru, on the airport to visit her mother in new york when she was killed in the blast. a relative of a missing american couple now says they have been found. that's according to the state department. the severity of their injuries is unknown. we're going to go to kier in brussels, covering this from the beginning. walk us there where we stand tonight. >> what an extraordinary day. najim, who you mentioned, died in the attacks. at one point in the day, there
were reports he had been arrested. the sense of attention here, well, it's been tense here since the paris attacks. it is still here, because every time there is an attack, there are wanted calls from officials that they want to get more suspects, and each time, people are left fearing and wondering what next. because the continuing fear is, of the tens of numbers of potential jihadists who have come back from syria, and erica, it is kind of a perfect storm, really. you have combination of a number of jihadists who have gone to syria, learned how to make bombs, learned how to fight and come back, and the access to weapons, which really has europe, still very tense tonight, despite these kind of scenes. >> it's interesting too. you were one of the first people here. we were in paris, and then later in the afternoon on saturday, you were making your way heard when we heard about some of the terror cells.
you've been following this from this vantage point, were signs missed, as to whether or not different intelligence authorities and local law enforcement are communicating well enough. >> right. >> has there been any change in that, or still the feeling there is this disconnect? >> i mean, i was here last week, when salah abdeslam was arrested and the reality about that was just days before, law enforcement officials had raided a house. the reason they had gone there was routine. they hadn't realized who was in there. there was a fire fight. one jihadist was killed. that's what we believe led them to salah abdeslam. that's four months after the paris attacks. that gives you a picture of how slow. it is difficult for them. here they have lack resources. as i mentioned, many jihadists they have to follow and it is a difficult task. but still, i think each attack,
that comes along, here, paris last november, the attack on the charlie hebdo magazine in france earlier in the year, each of those attacks, eats away at people's confidence, that the intelligence agencies in europe are able to tackle this. >> you were on the streets as well. tomorrow will perhaps be the day back to work. was there any sense of whether or not people will be taking the metro as normal? >> i mean, people this morning were arriving from the metro getting onto the metro, having their bags searched by soldiers. so that gives you a picture of how tense it is. i suspect that will continue tomorrow. we did speak to many people who said we just have to get on with this, we have to live our lives, which is the message of course that people try to come back to every time there is one of these attacks. a sense of saying, look, the intention here is to divide us. we plan to stay united. i think you'll see many people return to work tomorrow for exactly that reason. >> yes, i heard someone saying
that tonight as well. kier, thank you. i want to turn to kelly o'donnell, who is at the airport, where the first bombs went off. kelly, a much different scene from your vantage point tonight. >> reporter: well, erica, we're on the perimeter. th of the airport, where there was a really compelling and interesting display of solidarity earlier this evening. you might be able to see some of the candles behind me, but hundreds, maybe more than 1,000 airport workers from the airlines to all the different services at the airport who came together and made about a one mile quiet trek from a distant part of the airport right here to this roundabout near the entrance of the airport. and we also saw flight attendants in their dress uniforms hand in hand, sort of forming a line, as the passers by with lighted candles went
through. it was very emotional. we spoke with some of the employees, some were willing to speak on camera. it hit their city, their workplace. it was very personal in ways that they are still struggling with, knowing the threat against airports and their kind of job remains. here is a bit of our conversation with acksell peters. >> do you think things will change in belgium after what has happened here in the last hours? >> something has to change. yeah. >> what do you think should happen? >> i think all countries must stick together and yeah. they just strength together, to change this situation, because it's not going to stop. >> so there was a vulnerability
that they were aware, and they feel and now they understand it in a completely new level. as they really came together to share their emotions, to talk about what they've been through, of course, they haven't been back to work yet. and flights here at the airport will not resume for the next few days at the earliest. it may be into the weekend or beyond before airport operations resume. so this was one of those ways where not only the city, but the community of employees here at the airport that were so hard hit found a way to come together and to find some support. erica. >> and so important to have that moment and be able to share that moment together. as i understand it, part of the reason of course that they can't open the airport is because it is still an active crime scene and they have to handle all of the clean up. is that the main reason behind it, kelly? >> yes, there is a lot of work that needs to be done. a lot of clean up. also, some of the damage to the airport means there are areas
that would not be safe for passengers. we've seen armed military here, patrolling this area, lots of police presence as well, because of some of those concerns that even extend to the idea of has belgium seen the last of it. that has been an anxiety that has been running here since just after the attacks. and so the airport has work do. we also saw, erica, some of the commercial airliners flying out empty, i talked to police, and they said those aircraft were empty, being repositioned to other airports, to try to be able to get some service going in neighboring airports to try to fill the gab from having brussels closed for days. erica. >> on the perimeter of the airport, kelly, thank you. we will have a lot more reporting from the ground here in brussels ahead. first, let's check in with steve kornacki, who is covering politics back in new york. plenty to talk about there as
well. good evening. >> that's right. the brussels attacks have taken center stage back here at home. hillary clinton calling out donald trump and ted cruz for their talk about torture and patrolling muslim neighborhoods. also, ted cruz' wife, heidi, responding to that bizarre tweet from donald trump last night, claiming that he would spill the beans. his words there, about her, and jeb bush, reemerging to make an endorsement of someone other than donald trump. is it too late or too late to stop the man who tagged him with that devastating low energy label during his campaign. all of that is ahead on a big day of foreign and domestic news, right here on msnbc. ason. claritin provides powerful, non-drowsy 24 hour relief... for fewer interruptions from the amazing things you do every day. live claritin clear. [engines revving] you can't have a hero, if you don't have a villain. the world needs villains [tires screeching]
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dangerous. >> hillary clinton today criticizing ted cruz's patrolling communities here in the united states. part of the political fight now breaking out over terrorism, playing out in the u.s. in the wake of the brussels attacks. president obama also condemning cruz's proposal today. >> i just left a country that engages in that kind of neighborhood surveillance. which by the way, the father of senator cruz escaped for america. the land of the free. the notion that we would start down that slippery slope makes absolutely no sense. >> cruz isn't backing down, though. politically, this is a fight he is happy to have. here is what he said today on the "today show". >> national security resources on areas on locations where there is a higher incidents of
radical islamic terrorism and patrolling a neighborhood, it benefits the neighborhood. >> hillary clinton also criticizing donald trump comments on water boarding. he says torture would have forced them to reveal the plot before it ever happened. >> i think we have to change our law on, you know, the water boarding thing, where they could chop off heads, and they can drown people in cages, in heavy steel cages, and we can't water board. he may be talking, but he'll talk faster with the torture. if he could have talked, you might not have to blow up -- kristin welker, we heard a little bit from the former secretary of state, but obviously, she sees a political opportunity here in going after the republicans and how they've been posturing on this issue. she also, though, has to answer in a certain way for the policies of this administration, since she was apart of it.
>> you're absolutely right, steve. she didn't mention the obama administration's policies a whole lot today. instead, she argued for building upon them, by focusing on what she would do if she did take office. as apart of those policy proposals, she reiterated her multi prong approach. taking them on from the air, the ground, online, trying to limit their ability to gain new recruits, which has been one of the critical parts of the problem. she called for an information and intelligence sharing surge. the united states with its european allies. that was the one new policy proposal that she put for the. the politics were very much a part of the speech. secretary clinton trying to paint herself as the adult, highlighting her experience on foreign policy, and drawing sharp distinctions with senator ted cruz, and donald trump in particular, and their broader
vision, which essentially calls for isolationism. donald trump for proposing the u.s. scale back its engagement in nato, and as you mentioned, for advocating for torture mechanisms, and ted cruz for advocating for policing of muslim neighborhoods. she also took donald trump for his call to build that wall. take a listen to what she had to say. >> when other candidates talk about building walls around america, i want to ask them, how high does the wall have to be to keep the internet out? it would also be a serious mistake to be begin carpet bombing populated areas into obser oblivian. it doesn't make you sound tough. it makes you sound like you're in over your head. slogans aren't a strategy. loose cannons tend to misfire. what america needs is strong, smart, steady leadership to wage
and win this struggle. >> and steve, that word steady, so critical to the argument that secretary clinton is laying out. she is trying to paint herself as a steady leader, and again, to draw a very sharp distinction with her republican rivals in terms of how she would proceed in this fight against isis. this a critical strategy, a point that we're seeing from the clinton administration. her top officials telling me they think that the gop contenders underestimated donald trump and that's why he is surging. it is clear that she has already begun to take the fight to donald trump. her officials telling me she is not going to make the same mistake. prepared to take him on if in fact she were to face off against him in a general election. >> all right, kristin welker, with a car alarm going off in stanford, california. more on the political fight over terrorism here in the united states. we're going to bring in sabrina
sadiki. ted cruz getting fire from hillary clinton, from barack obama, obviously given the political position, cruz is in right now, this is a fight he wants to have. >> absolutely. both donald trump and ted cruz are catering to a faction. when it comes to islam. when the polling has boe-- do support for example banning muslims from entering the united states, and they probably would favor something like what ted cruz is advocating for. what it also underscores, though, just how little d distinction there is between ted cruz and donald trump. he is the only republican left in the field with a viable path, in their mind, to take on donald trump. but when it comes to the kind of rhetorical bluster they've had
to contend, trump's end, they have ted cruz following in a similar suit. that could come back to haunt them in a general election. >> that's what i'm picking on here too, listening to cruz. he is putting out a proposal. rhetoric to something donald trump would say. so it seems on the one hand, you're going to say and as you say, the establishment folks endorsing cruz, he is the more responsible, mature, electable candidate, whatever term you want to throw in there, does this risk under cutting that? >> i think it helps democrats in the longer term, certainly because it enables them to paint the entire party as the party of trump. that's something that you have heard from hillary clinton and her campaign. it's something you heard from the democratic allies. it is difficult for the republican establishment that they have been left with this choice, between donald trump and ted cruz, it's not the choice that had en envisioned of
course. it helps ted cruz and it has helped donald trump, we've seen over time, to make these comments, whether it was after paris or after san bernardino in california. they were only -- they only have benefited from making statements that you certainly are deemed controversial to the public. ted cruz is not going to back down, because he also recognizes in order to defeat trump, he has to appeal to donald trump supporters, and this is one way of achieving that objective. >> john kasich, he is in wisconsin today, wisconsin the next state to vote on the republican side. he is trying to stand out, trying to distinguish himself by saying, look, i reject the trump rhetoric, i reject the cruz rhetoric. this is what he had to say today. >> controlling neighborhoods, it's not about shutting our borders down. it is about having the intelligence worldwide. it is about bringing a coalition together of our muslim arab
friends. >> sabrina, we saw jeb bush try this strategy, we saw marco rubio, john kasich, others. it seems like when people try to be in this republican field, the anti-cruz, anti-trump, it says something to voters, they're choosing trump and cruz. >> i was going to say, all those candidates you mentioned have one thing in common. that's that they either lost are about to loss if you're john kasich. it tells you where the party has shifted, certainly at least where the base has moved on this specific issue. and this is a long running problem that the republican party has faced, where there is a lot of islam phobia has borne out and they've only grown louder. you've seen it in congress. michelle backman raised eyebrows for the comments she made in terms of targeting muslims, who is hillary clinton's chief aide, linking her to the brotherhood.
this is kind of the reckoning that we've seen with other groups too. muslims are certainly a part of demographics who are no longer voting for republicans because of comments like this. this won't resolve that problem, it will likely have to occur when they're able to take back the narrative and the agenda from people like donald trump and ted cruz. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> how the community there is coping with this tragedy. erica is joined by chris hayes, right after this broke. >> how important do you think it is the people of this city continue as normal in. >> i think it's very important. if you act differently, then it's a way to tell them yeah, you won and you have power on us. loves your body back. only miralax hydrates, eases and softens to unblock naturally,
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actively participated in the attacks in brussels. i want to bring in chris hayes, who has been reporting across the city. one of the things we talk so much about analysts and experts, how is there this disconnect and what can be done. you spoke with someone today who is actively working to find a solution. >> the executive director called foundation for european democracy. they had yesterday at 10:00 a.m. right near the maelbeek station a radical -- >> planned ahead of time. everyone came in, the speakers came in, metro bombing, they carried on with the conference. obviously, under the shroud of the horror and mass casualties, but also, fully aware, as everyone i've talked to here, felt like it was coming. we walked down this block, right here, 20 minutes across the canal, into molenbeek, where the
cell had - was living. the gy bored and frustrated young men find purpose in their lives by being sort of in shrined in this cult islam. >> is there a point to cut it, where does it stop? >> i think there is. one of the things you point out, look, it is still, when you talk about the grand scheme, 90,000 people living in maalbeek. a relatively small amount of people. two things important as we get further down the nplot. the hard-core committed, an then a circle around them who are looking the other way or involved in other criminal activity. keep in mind, they had both done time in prison for criminal
activity, having nothing do with jihad, so a lot of it comes down to police work. communities in which the basics of policing, because of the lack of trust between the community and state, is so attenuated, but it's not some sort of grand new scheme, right. it comes down to the nitty-gritty of doing the police work. >> so in terms of your conversation today, does it seem like there have been efforts to change that? we know about all these vacancies. >> yes. >> we're hearing about all these changes, in the past four months, in roads? >> a lot of concerted efforts to bridge the gap in the neighborhoods, a lot of the money flows into the neighborhoods, comes from the gulf states, into masqe. all this sort of basics of that neighborhood development that you see in communities across the u.s. and the rest of the
developed world. >> chris hayes, appreciate it. good to expand that perspective. it is crazy to think it's a 20 minute walk. >> night and day. we walked there, you have this here, and it was dead quiet, because everyone, after what happened yesterday, was in their house. it was really erie. >> thank you. you can get chris hayes more tonight. we'll speak with a woman who snapped this photo following the attacks after the blast. the heart wrenching hours for families of loved ones still missing tonight. this is what she looks like. my husband called the american embassy and they're looking for her too. ly miralax hydrates, eases and softens to unblock naturally, so you have peace of mind from start to finish.
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latest on the terror attacks here in belgium. there is new information to report at this hour about the three men in this image which has been shown so many times. the slice of part of the video from the brussels airport. the man on the left we're learning is najim laachraoui, the suspected bomb maker, believed to have made the suicide vests in paris. he died in the attack on the brussels airport. the man in the middle has been identify as ibrahim bakraoui, while his brother did the same in the metro. they found ibrahim's will in the trash bin on that computer during a raid last night. according to a belgian prosecutor, in it, he says is he rushed, doesn't know what to do, he feels he is being looked for every where. turkey's president meantime says he was caught there last june, and then deported to the netherlands and that country and belgium were barned.
belgium said they couldn't find any links to terrorism at the time. i want to turn to ayman, the question of course who some of the people are and who may be connected. >> what is so unique about this case is that it's a micro cosim, issue of being trained in syria, which has become a laboratory for all kinds of battle field experience, the ability of these individuals to come back to europe, go undetected evade capture, plan and plot and execute this type of terrorist attack. we went to the neighborhood and spoke to some of the witnesses who witnessed the raid, found explosives. that was based off of a tip, give you a sense how random this is. it was based off a tip from a taxi driver. he saw the picture of the three
men, showing the individuals that police were look gs for, called them and said look, i picked these guys up today. what they found shocked them. gallons of acetone, hydrogen peroxide, tatp, nails and screws, all of which they felt could be used to make a very deadly explosive device. we're still learning more about the explosive device used in all these attacks, but you wouldn't be surprised in the coming days we find similarities between those. as you mentioned, the fact that these two individuals as well traveled to syria, had battle field experience, this is what law enforcement officials in the west are extremely worried about. you have country like syria imploding, and as a result, members of isis, they have experience there, are going to be able to bring it back to europe and perhaps the united states. >> thanks. we'll be hearing from you later in the evening, of course here on msnbc. i want to bring in evan coleman, who joins us from new
york. evan, good to get your, pe expee on this. belgian authorities have some foreknowledge of the attacks, but not enough to stop them. does that surprise you? >> it's difficult to predict the future. to be fair, a lot of potential reports of individuals that will carry out acts of violence, and they don't come out to be the case. if you're looking for a forewarning ignored, it was when turkey warned they picked up the individuals apparently after leaving syria. it's kind of unbelievable to think about this, but it's almost like we gave them a free ticket back to belgium. you know, it's difficult to understand how a government like belgium, that should understand the implications of what happens when people go to syria, would allow individuals that are suspected to have been trained by isis or other militant groups to come home and lose track of them. i don't think there a reasonable explanation for that.
it certainly happens, but i mean, that's a nightmare scenario for the fbi. the fbi goes to bed every night worrying that's going to happen. the idea that the belgians allowed it to happen and then this resulted, you know, it doesn't speak well to the efficacy of their operations since the paris attacks. this was the same network responsible for the paris attacks, probably the same bomb maker. and yet they only knew about him two days before the attack took place, when obviously major preparations had gone into another terrorist attack. so the idea that they had some foreknowledge or warning about the airport attack, the point to stop this would have been before the bombs were made. it would have been when these individuals came back from syria it belgium. and again, the failure to identify the bomb maker here, for months, is a very difficult one to explain. >> i also want to bring in ryan
heath, as he haevan set the sce but lastly in the four months, signs missed, is it a failure on the part of intelligence, a manpower issue? is it a little bit of both. >> a little bit of both. you have to throw the weight to the security and intelligence side. sheer numbers, belgium has a large number of police officers. how well are they trained and deployed? you have situation where the officers dealing with the hot bed in molenbeek, but we also have schaerbeek now, involved in this planning. you have to question the number of lucky breaks that the police and the services have had at this point. you have to question how efficient is it when you need to crowd source video and other footage of the attacks yesterday, rather than rely on cctv footage. i have to say that the pressure is really mounting on the belgian authorities at this point, as different authorities around the world, they're really
piling in and saying this is not good enough. >> evan, tonight, what is the biggest question on your mind at this hour? >> look, i would like to know the exact role that the bakraoui brothers played in paris. to what degree were they involved and what clues might have been missed about their identities. we didn't know about the individuals apparently until a few days ago. as far as the bomb maker, is there really only one maker, is there anybody left? i mean, that's one of the big questions here is that is this the end? you know, did these people take into action, they spur into action because of the fact that they realized the with the unrest a few days ago, the jig was up, or this is simply another chain in the loop, and that we've got others out there that are running around. obviously, the assumption is that there is one bomb maker, one network, and that apparently, this is the end of it. but you know, in the wake of what happened in paris, and then to follow, four months later after the number of raids that
have taken place in belgium, we have to err on the side of caution, and assume there are others out there. it's difficult to understand. over 100 people -- kbl also as we're learning more. >> and had this is the result. >> interesting as you point out, as we are learning more too what pair appeared, that again raising question to your point, just how many there are. ryan, evan, i appreciate you being with us tonight. it was one of the first images from these attacks, and it has become an iconic one. two women bloodied, the woman in the yellow jacket is in fact a flight attendant. she is in the hospital and responding well to treatment. her family says they learned she was alive after seeing that photo. joining me now is the photographer, who took that image. kate carvan.
you were there as a passenger. describe for us what happened, and why in that moment, you thought i need to capture these images. >> i was there since 7:00, and at 8:00, i was near the entrance in front of the brussels airlines ticket office, just like this, and waiting for a call. and on my right side, there was an explosion. i heard it. and there was a flame, and doors and windows flying around. and then in three seconds, there was another explosion. and then i ran on my right side, and for me, shelter for two minutes was in the airport, this passport photo booth. >> sure. >> i was there inside, it was horrific, you know. i was in a state of shock. and when i realized that
something has ended, so there was no further explosion, it was over, i came out, and saw everything. i had only one minute, less than one minute there. and i could not help anyone, you know. because doctors were running, and police, and i could not help really them. and first, what i did, took my iphone, with you know, journalist job, and took pictures, what i saw from my perspective, and then they forced us to leave. >> right. >> i was there only for one minute. and i realized that i was the only one. i wanted to show everyone the face of terrorists.
>> to know that your fipicture, the basketball player. >> i want to meet with him very much, right. >> you posted that picture. >> but also to know the woman in the yellow jacket, her family knew she was alive. >> yeah, now few minutes ago, i read this article, and i am so happy that i helped someone, you know, in mumbai, they find my message on the facebook that his sister is alive, and not quite well, but. >> the power of an image and it made its way to so many front pages. we appreciate you taking some time with us tonight. >> thank you. still to come, we'll head back to new york and my colleague, steve kornacki,
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a couple of days ago, my colleague, lindsey graham, hosted an event, and that really was a first for me. i had never before had an event hosted by someone who three weeks earlier called for my murder. >> ted cruz today joking. at least i think he was joking about the support he is getting from a former critic, lindsey graham. now another establishment endorsement from a former rival of ted cruz, jeb bush.
bush who says the texas senator is a principle conservative. cruz says his growing momentum is upsetting trump, triggering the new feud involving their wives. trump will spill the beans, in response to an ad a racy picture of trump's wife, mila mill -- h and ted cruz responded. >> most of the things donald trump have no basis in reality. so we are not worried. our campaign -- >> for donald to try to pick a character battle with her is frankly way out of his league. >> and joining me now is alise jordan, policy advisor to senator rand paul's campaign. alise, let's play this out a little. we have this situation where, look, republicans don't want
donald trump to be the nominee. trying to keep him from the magic number, 1,237, so the next thing up is wisconsin. it's going to be a big fight there. let's say ted cruz pulls it out. let's say he wins wisconsin. is there a path you see then to stopping donald trump for republicans? >> well, ted cruz will still have to get about 84% of the vote to reach 1,237 delegates. that's really, really hard, i think, for him to actually do. >> so what he would have to do is keep trump from getting the number. >> exactly. he'll be fighting trump. at the current pace, he needs to win about 59% of every contest. he has been doing that. that's what he did last night. or i think it's 52%. >> of the delegates. >> and he has been doing that. he did it on march 15th, when he had about 61% of the vote. >> so this raises the next question, then. cruz could take wisconsin. let's say he does not himself get to that magic number, but
keeps trump below it. 1,175, cruz is back at 7, 800. trump doesn't have the majority, so technically, republicans could deny trump the nomination, but practically speaking, if he is that close, could they do that? >> i think they could. the contested convention scenario is completely unplayed, and nothing like it since maybe 1976, with president ford and ronald reagan. so that's something clearly governor kasich is banking on, because he would have to get 120% of the delegates. he can't get any where near the 1,237 number. what i found interesting about jeb bush's endorsement, he clearly isn't buying into the notion of a contested convention and is discounting kasich and thinks there needs to be a candidate with support from these contests. what is interesting, though, there have been 31 states, and
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with this. >> we're all here to support everybody, and to show the world that we are all united. just a few of the people that i spoke with here in brussels earlier this evening. those conversations taking place just behind us. you see that memorial there in front of the plaza, where it has been growing throughout the day. there are a number of people here on the plaza, although it has quieted down a good deal from when we first joined at the top of the hour. i want to bring in the reporter from the daily mail. speaking with some of the doctors who were some of the first responders. i know they walked you through of what they saw and what they're dealing with now. >> i think they were on the scene within a half an hour. the first medic on the scene was there at 8:15, brussels time. they were describing the scene like a war zone. they said they had been trying to prepare themselves as they drove there. they knew what to expect in
their heads, but once they got there, nothing could prepare you for what they could see there. >> we had seen an image that was released, even before i left new york yesterday, to come here. it was a chest x-ray, released by one of the hospitals with a full nail, a nail or screw in the chest of someone. did they talk about the shrapnel, the injuries. >> they had holes in their bodies. it wasn't just the nails. they said things, when the bombs exploded, you were looking things that may have been qui quite -- those things became lethal weapons, in some ways, everything became a bullet. >> frightening to think of. they'll have their own processing that they need to do obviously. did they touch on that? oftentimes they're injured emotionally as some of the victims. >> they did touch on that. one of the things they said is they were questioning whether they had done the right thing.
once everything quieted down, they came away, have we done the right thing. did we make the right decision. one of them said you've got to make a decision in the moment. it was a decision in the moment, and we've got to live with that. >> the king and queen were at the hospital. >> yes, they were meeting them. they were obviously looking very somber, i think the medics appreciate their support. >> absolutely. important part of the story. thank you for bringing it to us. that wraps up this hour from brussels here on msnbc. on behalf of myself and steve kornacki, thanks for joining us. "hardball" with chris matthews starts now.
america reacts, this is "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews, in washington. the terrorist who struck brussels, are being answered by west against east, christian against muslim, they may have bargained for their lives what we're hearing now. a manhunt underway for one suspect from the bombs. also today, some of the men behind the attacks. prosecutors have identified two brothers, there they are, abbra him and khalid bakraoui. one of them blew himself up in the airport and the brother at the subway system an hour later. the brothers are connected to november's paris attacks as well, which they