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a brother and a sister heading back to new york were among the victims. as new raids today are launched in france and belgium, richard engel asked if the suicide bombers were targeting americans. >> is that the working theory that you have? >> i don't have a working theory, and i'm not going to speculate. there's no question. but these guys set out to kill people, and obviously, if they planted their bombs near delta, we weren't far from their minds. and boiling point. ted cruz is mad as hell and he isn't going to take it anymore. >> i don't get angry often. but you mess with my wife, you mess with my kids, that will do it every time. donald, you're a sniveling coward and leave heidi the hell alone. >> will you support him as the nominee? >> that's not -- >> donald trump will not be the
nominee. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. we begin with breaking news in the fight against isis killed by u.s. special forces in an operation inside syria. secretary of defense, ash carter, confirmed the killing in a briefing a short while ago. >> the u.s. military killed several key isil terrorists this week, including, we believe, haji iman, serving as a finance minister and who also is responsible for some external affairs and plots. >> this is the other isis leader in u.s. air strikes in syria earlier this month. two major scores for u.s.-led forces for taking out biggest names on the u.s. terror hit list. it comes on the heels of the attack in brussels where the large police raid just ended. three people were arrested.
one eyewitness described what he saw in one of the raids. >> the police shoot one time and they take his doctor. they take the kids and security, safe. he was not dying. he was moving. and the police asked him to put the bag far from him. that's what he do. he put the bag far from him. and after, i just watched then tried to move. what did he look like? i can not tell you because he was on the floor. >> nbc's foreign correspondent, ayman mohyeldin, is in the district where one of the raids took place. what more can you tell us as to whom they were targeting and how this relates either to what happened in brussels or what is suspected to be planned for paris? >> reporter: yeah. well, right now, we don't have any information as to who that individual that was shot was. what we do know from being
eyewitnesses is that a police operation took place here in schaerbeek. plils approached a man who was standing on the tramway, which is the public transport system that runs right through the square behind me, and it's seen that they neutralized and that was word we got from one of the security sources on the ground. that did not explicitly determine whether he was killed or whether he was wounded. it seems the initial reports was that he was wounded in the leg and has been taken away from the scene. what happened afterwards is what we were able to see when we arrived here on the scene and that involved explosives team blo belonging to the belgian scene and cleay, there was something suspicious left by this individual along the tramway, and they worked to neutralize that as well. we saw them lacing up in their protective gear and deploy the mechanical robot on the tracks and as they approached this item left by the individual, it seems
that they detonated it in a controlled fashion after inspecting it as well. what was in that bag, we still don't have any confirmation. but what this does tell us is that police are still very active in the manhunt for individuals associated not just with the brussels attacks but as well as the paris attacks. there are two key individuals that remain at large, belgian police are actively looking for. one man, not yet identified, seen in the surveillance photo from the brussels attack at the airport and another, they are still looking for with an international arrest warrant for him following the paris attacks. >> ayman mohyeldin in schaerbeek. and kier simmons in brussels. tell us what you know about the raids, if any more, that you can add. >> reporter: the brussels federal prosecutor has put out a release and that details how
many people were apprehended and what for. it's really detailed, andrea, but it talks about three people being arrested yesterday, right outside of the federal prosecutor's office. another man arrested in the street. and then two more men arrested in the car driving out of brussels and then today, those raids that amman was talking about, three men in different areas have been arrested. two of them, this report release said shot in the leg. and now, it is saying that they have been arrested in connection with another arrest in paris. but at the same time, it is talking about a man called ajim, who died in the suicide bombing at the airport. it is said it is confirming now that there was dna evidence, his dna evidence found at the bataclan in the paris attacks. why is that important? it makes the connection between the attacks here in brussels and the attacks in paris. that is a very important connection because it begins to raise the question whether the
european intelligence agencies should have been joining those dots earlier, whether even they could have prevented this attack and whether they are really equipped and have the knowledge and understanding of these communities and have the sources to be able to apprehend the right people and potentially prevent another attack. that's what you can see they're doing. there are consistent raids now. they are clearly going out and attempting to track any suspect with evidence they can find. but plainly, at the same time, very difficult for them. >> and joining us as well, richard engel. i want to talk to you about your interview with john kerry, but first, to nail down some of the more details about the significance of the isis leader who is taken out according to the pentagon. i heard the secretary of defense, ash carter, saying that taking him down, getting these leaders, getting what he calls the isis cabinet, is necessary
but not sufficient because as with al qaeda, which you have covered for years, they, new leaders replaced very quickly. what do you think the significance is of this operational leader? how important? >> reporter: i think he's quite significant. yes, there have been, in the past with al qaeda and with isis, number three, four, five in the chain of command who have been killed. but every time the u.s. military kills a senior leader, it deals a psychological blow because the other leaders don't know if they're next. if they have a spy among them. how intelligence is getting out. and frankly, not all terrorists are as good as others. they have learned things after years of experience. the haji iman. what ash carter, the defense secretary described as the finance minister, widely reported as the second in command of isis.
he's been leading clandestine groups, terrorist organization on a leading role in them for the better part of a decade now. he was with zarqawi back in iraq with shiites and american troops and then moved to isis and had a leading role in isis, graduating off through the ranks to becoming the deputy leader of the organization. so when somebody of his level dies and when somebody of his level is killed, especially in the way in which it happened with american special forces on the ground intercepting his car and then killing him and the other passengers in the car. that sends a very deliberate message to isis that they're being watched, that american, the u.s. military knows where they are and how to find them and is willing to go to syria to find them. so the operational experience that he's gained is lost. it gets other leaders in his
cabinet worried about their future. and it delivers a very significant blow because it takes all of his experience away. but yes, he will be replaced. >> and certainly, it does imply that we have some operational intelligence here, whether it's human or any other kind of operational intelligence, we knew where he was. they were laying in wait for him. that is a significant blow to them as well. >> reporter: it's been described as a helicopter assault. so think about how dangerous this is. there are very few friendly troops in syria at all, very few reliable troops that would be somewhat less than friendly. and a lot of hostile forces. so for americans to go in comets to la to, to go in helicopters and then go in the car knowing it contains the second in command of isis with an attempt to
capture him alive but the situation escalated and he and the others were killed in that operation. but this is an incredibly dangerous mission. the u.s. military would not have launched it, would not have put those troops at risk unless it thought it had very specific information that he was in that car on that road at that time. >> richard, all of these points, so important. and on top of everything else, you had the opportunity to interview secretary kerry. he had just come from moscow and a meeting with vladimir putin and this is the part of the interview where you were asking him act violence against us. >> the u.s. has already seen some isis-inspired violence. do you think we'll see more? >> i'm not going to speculate, richard. we all know we're living in a world where it is very easy for somebody who wants to kill themselves, to go out and hurt
other people when they do it. it's very difficult for law enforcement anywhere. they have to get it correct 24 hours a day, every day of the week for 365 days of the year. somebody wants to go blow themselves up has to get it right for ten minutes. so it's a very, you know, unfair, sort of the balance in that sense. and i think that we've done extraordinarily well internationally to be able to keep the terrorists on as much of a defensive as they are. >> critics have said that it was not a good look for president obama to attend a ball game and then later to be seen dancing the tango as europe was in the midst of a terrorist crisis. were the optics bad? >> the president was in touch. the president talked directly from cuba with the prime minister of belgium. and he talked with our people and we talked about our response to this. and so i think that that's just
frankly, given this situation. and then at home in the united states, then i'd obviously think the president would have been on a plane and gone home and then the criticism might be appropriate. but for this in this case, no, i don't think it is. >> do you think europe has a handle on the level of the isis infiltration or isis problem here? >> i think europe's done a lot. and particularly, the government of belgium has done a lot. before this event took place, they had already had our foreign fighters search game here a month ago. they are the ones who apprehended sal lah abdeslam. >> does the pace of arrests and raids now indicate that they are beginning to step up? >> reporter: it does seem that
way. there have been a half dozen raids in brussels here since last night. the french interior minister yesterday said that there was a raid outside of paris yesterday morning. in which an imminent plot was stopped. so yes. there is an absolutely advanced pace of activity that we're seeing. and then when you couple that with the attacks, the killing of the senior isis leaders in syria, it shows that the group is under a lot of pressure. but it's certainly not over. i don't think these extra raids and the extra assaults that are taking place in syria are going to destroy isis. isis still has an enormous amount of territory. it still has more weapons than al qaeda could have imagined. it still has much more money than al qaeda ever did and thousands of europeans traveled
from here, from the continent. went and got training with isis and many hundreds of them have come back. this is not a small problem. and europe still doesn't seem to know where all of them are and how extensive it is. >> the friends and family. a great deal of loyalty, not to sovereign countries but more loyalty to their sons and husbands and other siblings. an extraordinary situation. what a challenge.
richard engel, thank you. big morning for you. thanks very much. great interview. and 19-year-old american mason wells was one of three mormon missionaries wounded in the attack at the brussels airport. he suffered shrapnel wounds and second degree burns to his face, head, and hand. and not his first brush with a terror attack. he was at the boston marathon bombing in 2013 to watch his morther run in the race and in the paris attack in november. this morning from his hospital bed, described to matt lauer how he survived even though he thought he was very close to both airport blasts. >> i actually saw fire in front of my face and on the ground around me. i know that the burns came up from that. my body was kind of lifted off the ground during the first blast, very loud. and i started running towards the exit. a lot of people started running towards the exit and i had taken a couple of steps, the second blast went off and it went off
to my right and i could feel the blast. i feel very lucky to have made it out with the injuries that i had being so close and i just hope those other families and those injured know that there's many people that care about them and that are wishing them the best. >> mason wells in recovery. this hour, the state department now is confirming that two u.s. citizens were killed in tuesday's attack in brussels. they have not yet released the names of those victims. and coming up, much more on the top isis commander killed in the u.s. raid inside syria. plus, how the terror group recruits siblings to carry out the deadly attacks. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. at temenos, with the microsoft cloud, we can enable a banker to travel to the most remote locations with nothing but a phone and a tablet. everywhere where there's a phone, you have a bank. now a person is able to start a business,
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as we continue our coverage of breaking news, we learn a lot more about the top isis leader killed in syria. hajim nam believed to be second in command and managed the day-to-day operations for the terror group. joining me now is mia bloom, terrorism expert, professor of communication at georgia state university, author of "dying to kill: the allure of suicide terror." i want to ask about the proliferation of siblings but first the breaking news about this top al qaeda, excuse me, top isis leader who was taken out by u.s. special forces in syria. what more do we know about how important he was to their operations including their foreign affiliates like libya? >> well, so he was also second in command to zarqawi who was also killed by american forces when he was leader of al qaeda and iraq. and so he has been high up in
sort of in terms of the hi hierarchy for nine or ten years. but what we found with targeted killings, it's not clear that killing a leader undermines the organization in the ways that, you know, we hope it will. in other words, certain kinds of organizations, organizations like isis certainly have been immune to date including when abu sayef, also in charge of finances, was killed. we have very careful about our level of excitement but this kind of attack in syria would have had no attack on the effect in brussels because these are different hierarchies. the groups in europe are independent of the hierarchy that exists in mosul or raqqa. >> in this case, the two
brothers, we had similar instances in paris and the boston marathon bombing. also, siblings. what is the attraction? is it the operational security that is gained and the kind of connection from suicide attackers that you have when you recruit siblings? >> absolutely. i mean, you're spot on. in order to do these high risk missions, you need a lot of trust and you need a lot of commitment. so when they use brothers or we've seen also sisters, pairs of sisters, across a variety of terrorist groups, not just the jihadi groups, you're guaranteeing that you're not going to let your sibling down, let alone you're not going to let the organization down. but also, it fosters a great deal of trust and you're going to fall underneath the radar. calling your sibling multiple times in a month is not going to arouse suspicion. in this particular case, we have both the victims, alexandria as well as the perpetrators who
were siblings. it is that there are siblings all over this example. >> mia bloom, thank you so much for giving us your expertise today. and up next -- the war of the wives. back to politics. chuck todd joining us for the latest on the personal attacks between donald trump and ted cruz. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. , we've created a new company. one totally focused on what's next for your business. accelerating innovation. accelerating next. hewlett packard enterprise.
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that's how i own it. donald doesn't like strong women. strong women scare donald. let's be clear. our spouses and our children, it is not acceptable for a big loud new york bully to attack my wife. i'm not looking forward to telling the girls why donald trump is launching insults and attacks at their mommy. i'm not looking forward to that conversation. >> so what a difference a few months can make. last summer, ted cruz was a big
fan of his, quote, friend, donald trump. and now a debate over personal attacks against cruz's wife. joining me now, chris cillizza, founder of the "washington post" fix blog and chuck todd, msnbc moderator of "meet the press" and host of mtv daily, two women i can attest like strong women. how did we get to this place? is this really what he wants to be talking about in the run-up to the wisconsin primary which could be critical? >> i got to play the role of civilian for a few days. i took a few days off my kid's spring break. so experiencing what happened this week, a little more like a civilian. you know, watching belgium unfold. what happened in brussels. and then naturally, the presidential campaign has devolved into insult contests with the wives and you're just sitting there going, once again, and when jeb bush made his
attack on donald trump as the chaos candidate, i remember thinking at the time, i understand what he's trying to say, but boy, that's too convolut convoluted. but trump has an ability to create just mayhem. okay? around him. no matter what the issue is. here, they should have been a temperament question. perhaps, what he would do and handle the situation in brussels and instead, even after paris, we spent a good eight to ten days, decides to make cruz accountable. what was done to melania was below the belt. okay? what liz, that was also -, and also trump does what any political candidate does, but it devolves. he's effective at doing it. >> it's like what happened with marco rubio. when he finally attacked trump, it's on trump's level and trump
owned it. and then you forget who started it. >> you forget rubio started it. and trump said, if you listen enough to him, there's some stuff in there that shows he has a level of insight about his own abilities and weaknesses. you have to listen a lot, but he said at one point, not everyone can do hostile like i can. you're talking about rubio. it's sort of true because it's an acknowledgment he's really good in the chaos. right, i think he thrives in it. he likes it. he doesn't shy away from it. everybody else is like, there's too much. >> i describe it like a shark. he has to keep moving or he dies. >> this is ted cruz moments ago at a wisconsin rally. >> you know, in the last few days, donald trump has taken to attacking heidi. i tell you, i think heidi is the most beautiful, brilliant, amazing, fantastic loving mom and wife.
i love you with all of my heart. >> now, maybe this does get to the whole problem in which trump has a big problem with women. maybe that's what cruz is looking at and trying to play on that point, but it does strike me guys that if you want to go after donald trump in the week of this terror attack in brussels, maybe the way hillary clinton doing is with two foreign policy speeches. >> one is for general election and one is for primary voters. i feel as if brussels, we watched and learned this through paris. look, one thing trump projects is strength. whenever brussels is a moment of weakness, more for europe than the united states, but it's a moment of weakness and where there's weakness, he is the vacuum of strength. that's his goal to fill strength. with primary voters, the message is the same. i do think what clinton is doing, you see what she's doing here which is pivoting to the general. she wants to be able to frame, i'm going to be the responsible adult in the room compared to
trump. it's an easy frame that she wants to have. jeb bush tried it. it didn't work. marco rubio tried it. >> how do you go after trump? >> do what cruz is doing, i guess. >> what's hard, i feel like you always wind up playing the game he wants you to play. right? so whether it's in the wife stuff or even the reaction to brussels, the reason that ted cruz said we need to police muslim neighborhoods, not because ted cruz fundamentally believes it but he knows to chuck's point, the only way that you win this in a republican primary is to get to donald trump's theoretical right on the issue. and now what has ted cruz spent the rest of the week doing? but trying to quietly walk that because he doesn't believe it. >> i saw that comment and i said, that's exactly what he's doing. this is not a statement cruz would have made had donald trump not been in here but this is a total reaction to trump's muslim
ban. >> which came after paris. >> what am i going to do to seem, and you're like, okay. >> it's the whole, he makes you play his style of game. and you are not as good as playing his style of game as he is. >> like in the college basketball tournament, you play in the other team's tempo. >> you want to talk about college basketball? >> no, but you play their game and not yours, you usually ulos those games. >> this is hillary clinton that finished her day on "jimmy kimmel" last night. >> most voters, when you start focusing on who can do the job, who can be president, who can be commander in chief, what you stand for, what you say you will do, i think voters take that responsibility seriously and i look forward to debating him and trying to figure out where he stands on issues. >> do you think he knows who like the prime minister of canada is? >> no, but --
>> that's enough. >> she's a nice touch on those shows and that does her fine, but right now, this debate is all about the republican. >> one quick thing on that. i think it's fascinating where trump is. because trump is in his own way trying to pivot to the general election with the unveiling of the incompetent hillary sort of idea. this is in the lion ted and the low energy bush and the little marco vein. if you look at her weaknesses, her weaknesses are, in a general election, less so on competence necessarily than on is she honest and trustworthy? most think she can do the job. >> competency has been her strength but i do believe what benghazi and libya present was this was an example of her being miscalculating, the policy was wrong. i've always believed she's more vulnerable than on the policy than on what happened.
you know, why was benghazi a dangerous situation? because of the decision to topple qaddafi. that has always been her real policy vulnerability there. i actually think the incompetent tag, i see what he's trying to do there. >> i don't know if it will stand. >> who she was just talking to and mentioning, voters always seem to, she's talking to suburban women. pure and simple. when you look at it by the numbers, that's who she's talking to. they are the ones who are going to make a decision less on party and ideology and more on that intangible that she's trying to make sure she wins. >> we have to leave it there. chris cillizza, chuck todd. glad you're back from spring break. and just in time. >> just in time. >> if it's easter sunday, it's "meet the press". >> tune in to "meet the press" on easter sunday. and we'll be here. >> you will be there. >> voters.
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♪ donald trump. we're going to go right around the table. i'll start with gabriel and go clockwise all the way around. everybody get their word in your mind. ready, go. >> please, no. >> proven. >> disrespectful to others. >> decisive. >> strong. >> strong. >> refreshing. >> interesting. >> jerk. >> no. >> last chance. >> impressions of donald trump this week from a focus group in st. louis including five trump supporters and seven republican leaning independents not currently backing him.
peter heart led the focus groups and asked why trump. >> i say donald trump when i told him, i think he can help us now. >> he's not a politician and he's tough. >> he's strong. he's decisive. he is a little bit terrifying but that's a good thing. >> i think trump could tone it down a little bit but i think he's the best candidate. >> if this is about trump's being outspoken about harsh and all that, isn't putin the same way? he seems to be doing okay. >> peter hart is the founder of the hart research associates and joins me from san francisco. peter, the focus group was so illustrious. what was your takeaway? >> this was done for the public policy center of the university of pennsylvania. it was that donald trump controls everything that he's talking about. he polarizes people on a personal basis. but the sense of strength and
the sense of independence is what's working for him. remember, this is the base. this is the group he has to win. and at this stage of the game, he's doing well with his voters, but he still has to move those voters from the cruz camp and from the kasich camp over to him. >> and in the latest nbc news "wall street journal" poll, negative views of trump, 70% among women. among millennials, 72%. and suburbanites, 68%. very hard to win in a general election without changing those numbers. >> impossible. essentially, what it tells you about his campaign is that he is alienated so many people. here we are on the week of the attacks in brussels and they're talking about wives. and it's a big election. it's an important election and at this stage of the game, donald trump has played to his
base. the question is, can he go beyond this? and it's all on demeanor and style and that's where the problem is. but at the same time, andrea, as you know, that's a lower hurdle to get over rather than the question of policy and at this stage, the voters haven't really looked at his policy and gone deeply into that. >> and here's a question as to whether they will. i was talking about the convention and whether or not he can be denied the nomination if he's close or certainly if he goes over the number, then there's no question about it. but how did your focus group participants respond when you asked them about what would happen if on a second ballot, the nomination were taken from him? >> oh, they were annoyed. they were pushed away. and the reason is that they saw it as something where the elite establishment is making their voice, not their own decision. and even those people who were with cruz or with other
candidates, they felt huh-uh. this isn't fair. donald trump has the long straw if you talk about a brokered convention. people are really angry, upset, and worried about their own lives. and they see this as an insider game. and what they're trying to do is move away from this and they're looking for a new direction and new hope. the problem is that donald trump on a personal basis and the way in which he's approaching this campaign instead of galvanizing these people, he's galvanizing a small portion and pushing away, as you showed, in the poll, so many others. >> and at the same time, when things happen like belgium, they are responding to his projection of strength, if you will. not to policies, not to speeches about what to do next. >> absolutely right. they look at him and they say, this is a strong and independent
person. they don't know that he knows foreign policy but they do feel that he is the strong person and at this stage of the game, they're worried about their own finances here at home and they're worried about their security all around the world. and so donald trump has been the beneficiary of that at this stage. >> peter hart, thank you so much of hart associates. it's always great to talk to you, peter. thanks for coming. >> thanks, andrea. one of the biggest bands of the planet playing in cuba tonight. where their music was banned for years. we're now watching "andrea mitchell reports" as we watch the stones arriving in havana only on msnbc. the wonderment of nature. the detail on this surface book is amazing. with the tiger image, the saliva coming off and you got this turning. that's why i need this kind of resolution and computing power. being able to use a pen like this. on the screen directly with the image. it just gives me a different relationship to it.
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as new details are emerging about the suspects who carries out the brussels terror attacks, we're learning a lot more also about the heroic actionsothers. people who ran towards the danger. kelly cobiella is joining me now. you spent time with these real heroes. tell us about them. >> reporter: i did, andrea. secretary of state mentioned one american doctor, a woman who listens here in brussels dropping a friend off at the airport when is the explosions happened. they stayed close by and they treated so many people and comforted people. there are so many stories like this, stories of everyday
heroes. minutes before two bombs ripped through the brussels airport, al fonz was smiling wrapping luggage for passengers. i was working, he told merks and then chaos. as panicked survivors ran from the airport, an immigrant from the ivory coast stayed. that's him carrying one of the injured. >> i wasn't afraid because so many needed help, he told me. i carried people out. i stayed with them. i helped stop the bleeding. also in the airport, 20-year-old yasin anuz was a muslim, he was bleeding. i evacuated people, he said. i don't even know how i did it. it was my first reflex. across brussels, everyday heroes. too many to count. 400 volunteers for the red cross alone left their day jobs to dress wounds and comfort victims. >> how are you doing? >> i'm okay. >> reporter: tonight, al fonz
ulah is thinking about the people he helped. he'd like to meet them to see if they're okay and he says he's still not afraid. because the belgium he knows is an open, hopeful country, and that, he says, has nn't changed. a lot of these people very deeply affected by what they saw including al fonz and others, a lot of the red cross workers and part of what helps them, i've heard from their perspective is talking to some of these people that they've helped, andrea, but the problem, of course, is that so many people are still in hospitals, still recovering. >> and, kelly, so many people, still more than a dozen people unaccounted for in terms of the mernl americans. they have not identified them. what do we know about the missing and about who the
americans are? we do know that these two siblings from new york were killed. they are, i think, of dutch nationality, but new yorkers. >> reporter: that's right. dutch nationals, but living in new york. very strong ties to new york. you know, part of the problem is just in the identification process when you talk about the sheer devastation from that bomb, what happened to the people who are close to the explosion site. police have been working very hard at identifying the victims but they need dna for that. a lot of this process is happening at the military hospital and they are making progress as we saw sadly this morning when the brother and sister were identified, the family members finally notified that they in fact did not make it. and also what happened with a victim to britain but andrea, this process is incredibly slow, simply because of the devastation around the people who are very, very close to that explosion. >> and how is the community in
brussels, you've spent so much time there now this week. they are coming together. they're singing. they're leaving flowers. but they're, at the same time, waiting for the possibility of another attack. >> reporter: that's right. and it seems just as sort of people try to get back into their daily routine, there's news of yet another raid. there were several raids overnight and yet another today. some sort of operation in the middle of the day which we're still gathering details on trying to figure out exactly what was happening with that one. but seven people arrested overnight. the metro station, in the meantime, has mostly reopened. you know, many parts of the metro station reopened. so people are trying to move on with their day-to-day activities but at the same time, continuing to hear more developments that, you know, the idea that this really isn't over, and of course, andrea, we also had the manhunt looking for at least one suspect and there are reports that there may be two the police
are looking for. it's certainly not over and there is still an unease in this city. >> kelly cobiella, thank you so much for all of your reporting. thank you. and that does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember, follow the show online on facebook and on twitter @mitchellreports. as we leave you, a look at the cherly blo lry blossoms. enjoy the first signs of spring and happy easter. have a great weekend. thomas roberts is up next. the future belongs to the fast. and to help you accelerate, we've created a new company. one totally focused on what's next for your business. accelerating innovation. accelerating next. hewlett packard enterprise. we stop arthritis pain, so you don't have to stop.
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secretary of defense ash carter confirming what nbc news first reported, isis' second in command was killed in an operation this month and carter said he was a finance minister who oversaw all the funding for isis' operations and called his death a serious blow to the organization. >> the removal of this isil leader will hamper the organization's ability to conduct operations both inside and outside of iraq and syria. >> carter went on to say about this isis issue is striking the leaders necessary but far from sufficient. meanwhile, things remain tense and active in belgium. taking place a few hours ago in a neighborhood of schaerbeek. one person was wounded and arrested during the operation. it follows several raids conducted last night.