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to you. i'm jose diaz-balart. we're going to start right now with a big republican revolt. that pledge signed by the candidates where they promise to support the eventual gop nominee is doa. donald trump says he's being treated unfairly by the party. ted cruz won't back anyone who backs his wife, and john kasich said it would be problematic to vote for someone who hurts and divides the country. >> you continue to pledge whoever the nominee is? >> no, i don't anymore. >> you don't? >> no, we'll see who it is. >> if the nominee is someone i think is really hurting the country and dividing the country, i can't stand behind them, but we have a ways to go. let's see how it all unfolds out. >> i'm not in the habit of supporting someone who attacks my wife and my family. that's going beyond the line. i think our wives, our kids, should be off limits. they don't belong in the attacks. >> so the republican pledge is one headline. the other, of course, is the
arrest of trump's campaign manager,lewandowski. he's defending his right-hand man who lawyers say is absolutely innocent, and trump slamming the female complainant saying he may now press charges against her. on tuesday, lewandowski was charged with simple battery for allegedly grabbing and brucing a reporter. with the wisconsin primary less than a week away, we have all this covered for you. let's start with kelly o'donnell in wisconsin. with donald trump. kelly, good morning. a lot of back and forth in september about that trump signing the pledge and all that. he eventually did, so why is he changing his mind now? >> if you remember, jose, there was all that attention, and trump had to even sign a second version because he inadvertently had the date wrong. there was so much pressure, especially sort of galvanizing the rnc and reince priebus, the chairman, wanting to be sure that trump wouldn't veer off and
take his new voters in the electorate with him in some kind of an independent bid. that seems like a kinder, simpler time when you compare to where we are right now. we're inside a college in the theater here, and there will be a town hall event for donald trump coming up soon. and he has suggested that he would not hold to the loyalty pledge for a series of reasons. he is concerned about in his view, whether the party has treated him fairly. a lot of discussion about how the delegates are allotted. and it seems at times some confusion on the trump campaign's part on what the rules are state by state that govern the delegates. he's talked about winning in louisiana but ted cruz able to get a sizable share of the delegates, threatening a lawsuit. it's been one ning after another, where trump feels he is somehow not being treated in a way he thinks is appropriate for himself, his campaign, his voters. and by saying that he wouldn't
necessarily follow through on that, of course, that would mean if someone else at the convention or someone between now and the final nominating process gets ahead of him in the delegate count, could that be ted cruz, could it be another name or candidate at the convention? unclear, but he's shaking things up again by saying he might not be so loyal. especially if he thinks the party is not treating him right. jose. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell, thank you very much. inother political headline, the arrest of donald trump's campaign manager, corey lewandowski. peter alexander is in jupiter, florida, outside the police department, where he turned himself in on tuesday. good morning to you. so trump is standing by his campaign manager this morning, azzs early as this morning he w talking about it. >> he has been defending him at every opportunity he has had while he's backing away from the loyalty pledge, he's remaining loyal to corey lewandowski, on the "today" show this morning,
donald trump has quickly turned what many campaigns would view as a liability into an asset, showing how he will stand up for america. here's how he cast the situation. take a listen. >> i'm a loyal person. i'm going to be loyal to the country. i'm going to be loyal to wisconsin. we have to tell it like it is. it would be so easy for me to terminate this man, ruin his life, ruin his family. he's got four beautiful children in new hampshire. ruin his whole everything, and say you're fired. okay, i fired many people. especially in "the apprentice." >> so there's the strategy. now, here's the legal side of this case right now. this is a common charge that lewandowski is now facing. a misdemeanor for simple battery. known by the state, in the state of florida, effectively, as unwanted touching. if convicted, lewandowski could face a fine up to $1,000 and up to a year in jail, but the state attorney's office here tells nbc news that for a first-time
offender like lewandowski, that would be highly unlikely. his first appearance in court is scheduled to be may 4th. at that time, prosecutors will decide whether or not even to pursue the charge. there is a lot of evidence that demonstrates what for private citizens would be simple battery. audio recordings from michelle fields where this incident took place, the video surveillance tape now and an eyewitness to what happened. this is not a pair of private citizens. it's a campaign manager for the republican front-runner for the republican nomination and a reporter, obviously, getting a lot of attention right now. the best defense, according to legal experts for lewandowski going forward could be he was looking out for his boss, effectively, the defense of others. donald trump himself has said that fields grabbed him on multiple occasions. jose. >> peter alexander, jupiter, thank you very much. i want to bring in hallie jackson in madison, covering the cruz campaign. good morning to you. let's start with the so-called loyalty pledge. cruz says he won't need to
support trump because trump won't be the nominee. why are they choosing now to back away from this promise that they all made? >> yeah, and i don't know that it's necessarily right now, although it's getting renewed attention because of what donald trump said at the town hall. you have to look at last week when donald trump retweeted the unflattering photo of heidi cruz side by side with melania trump, and cruz came out and called trump a sniveling coward. that's when he was pressed if he would still support trump if he were the nominee. that's when you heard cruz first say thursday, friday of last week, he's not in the habit of supporting people who go after his wife, who go after his family. that was a notable distinction from what we vene from cruz up until this point when he would answer more in the affirmative, hey, i signed a pledge and i'm a guy who keeps my promises. now we're hearing number one, donald trump won't be the nominee, and number two, this yid he's not in the habit of supporting people who attack people close to him. you look at cruz's comment last
night, they're consistent with what he's been saying the last week, the last five days. notable too with john kasich talking about the fact they shouldn't have had to answer to the pledge in the first place. an rnc source is telling me at this point, it is, a, unclear what donald trump is referencing when he talks about being treating unfairly by the republican party. and b, that the party will take the candidates at their word, at the pledge that they have signed until essentially otherwise notified. but all of this really sort of bubbling up today given that donald trump was so definitive in saying, no, i don't think i will necessarily pledge to support the republican nominee. we have to see who it is. >> cruz saying no, he won't be the nominee. what happens if he is the nominee? >> if he is. and he's leading, right. >> he's leading. >> yeah, he's ahead in the delegate count. i think you saw a lot of folks press him, including us last week about the idea that trump still leads in delegate counts. you can say he won't be the nominee, but right now, dt dlt
is the front-runner. one would think one needs to look at how that would play out if donald trump remains the front-runner. cruz's argument is he's going to beat donald trump, he will be the nominee. the cruz campaign feels they have a path to do that. >> hallie jackson, thong. good seeing you. >> let me bring in my panel, msnbc political analyst and former senior adviser to rand paul, elise jordan, along with reporter for politico, eli stokals. thank you both for being with me. trump was on the "today" show earlier. i want to play what he said regarding his campaign manager. listen to this. >> these other candidates, they're weak. they say, oh, you should immediately get rid of him, for what? they want me to fire him. why? because of this incident? >> wouldn't an immediate apology on his part have taken care of this? wouldn't it have taken care of this if he had simply said i'm sorry? >> i actually don't think so. i think she would have pressed charges anyway because i think
she likes it. that's my opinion. maybe i'm wrong. >> so elise, now there's just at the end of that little sentence, it's because she has a crush on him. is that what -- help me to understand. >> it's repulsive. i'll help you understand. it's absolutely repulsive. that's what this whole episode has revealed even though the inherent misogyny within trump's campaign and what he will condone. this is absolutely ridiculous. a simple apology would have solved it, but they can't be man enough, frankly, and say sorry. that's the problem with trump's candidacy. can you imagine how much a tiny incident would be escalated in foreign affairs if that's how trump is going to handle something like this? it's absolutely ridiculous. >> it seems like every day, as he keeps getting press on this issue, and others, there is a new wrinkle, a new explanation, a new logic to what is pretty illogical. >> well, now we have video. we have eyewitness report, we
have the transcript of audio immediately recorded after the incident. the facts are there. it's just donald trump refusing to take any accountability for the actions of his campaign manager. >> and elise, the other news is the loyalty pledge. apparently dead. what does this mean for the republican party going forward? >> well, the loyalty pledge was a mistake from the beginning. it was really to stop donald trump from a third-party run in late summer when people were scared of that. i wish they had let donald trump have at it with a third party run because they wouldn't have been able to organize and do the leg work necessary to have gotten on the ballot, i believe. at this point, i think that cruz definitely is right in saying he wouldn't support donald trump after the way donald trump has talked about his wife. >> eli, trump yesterday said it's because he feels slighted by the republican party, by the establishment. do you have any idea what that means? >> well, it sort of amounts to trump working the refs and saying i feel like i'm not getting a fair shake. he has things he can point to.
he can look at the establishment donors pumping millions of dollars into the anti-trump super pacs attacking him. he can point to dinners, rnc officials, reince priebus holding dinners on capitol hill, inviting members of the bush campaign and rubio campaign, but no one from his campaign. trump has never been an establishment figure. he ran as an anti-establishment guy, but he can say you're not giving me a fair shake. >> months ago, the worst case scenario is trump runs as a third-party candidate for the republicans. now it seems as if the republican party is sathird party and you have trump running things. >> well, i mean, this party has been unraveling for months. that's what we have been watching. anyone who thinks that the sort of loyalty pledge, some signatures on pieces of paper were holding it together, come on. this is sort of a joke. this was something that trump manipulated even back in the fall when he signed this. this was a news cycle win for donald trump. reince priebus went to new york and said look at donald trump
signing this pledge. now it's another day, trump is dominating the news cycle saying, forget it, i'm not treated fairly. he has dominated this campaign and the news cycle day after day after day. and his campaign really is a complete rejection of the party establishment by the base, by the activist grassroots base. that's been happening for months if not years, and the idea that some sort of loyalty pledge might hold this party together, might have held it together, it's about time we disavow that notion. now people are saying it aloud. >> thank you both for being with me. >> i want to bring in steve lonegan, director for senator cruz's campaign in new jersey. steve, thank you for being with me. >> jose, thanks for having me. >> your thoughts and reaction to this whole backing down from that public pledge to support the gop nominee for cruz, how will this be playing out? he was pretty clear yesterday even though he's been talking about it for some days asdiscusr he doesn't plan to support
trump. >> donald trump has continued to squeal how the republican party is unfair to him, even though he's in the lead and has won a number of primaries in a campaign. however, what's really unfair to voters that donald trump continues to refuse to release his tax returns. he won't release his college transcripts, he won't release his health records. he won't release his infamous interview with the "new york times" and he refuses to debate ted cruz on the issues important to america. he won't step on the debate stage. that's unfair to the voters of the republican party. that will resonate in the upcoming primaries. i predict that ted cruz will be winning in wisconsin. and that there's a very good chance that donald trump doesn't win another primary between now and cleveland. then we'll send them back to new york city, he can go back to his penthouse apartment, clink glasses with friend bill de blasio and talk about how stupid the voters of america have been. >> are you saying wisconsin is the last place that trump could maybe win, even though, as you say, look, if there's anywhere cruz is looking dangerous for
trump, it's in wisconsin. you're saying that new jersey and new york and all these other states are cruz states? >> voters are waking up to donald trump. all he's managed to do the last week is distract the media from the issues that are important to america. we don't care about corey lewandowski and his stupid assault on a reporter, we don't care about donald trump's rhetoric. we care about the real issues important to america, not stories that show up inquirerin. indonald trump stepped on the debate stage, ted cruz would dismantle him piece by piece. >> he's been on the debate stage with trump piece by piece for months. >> not about talking about issues of substance in front of the media and the press in a one-on-one debate with ted cruz. we have seen donald trump in his dancing around, all of his shenanigans, but we haven't seen substantial issues being presented to the voters. that's what's going to matter to
the republican primary voters of this country. >> by the way, you know, as you may know, i also anchor on telemundo. i have been trying for months to get the senator to talk with me. if you can, once again, open the doors of this program, as well as the telemundo, for the senator to talk about the issues that are of importance to americans. >> jose, i'll be happy to try. ted cruz is the most well versed intellectual person when it comes to the issues, ready to be president on day one. >> steve, thanks for being with me. >> tonight is going to be an exclusive night of special events on msnbc. chuck todd hosts a town hall with ohio governor john kasich, 7:00 p.m. eastern time. chris matthews moderating a town hall with donald trump at 8:00 eastern. green bay wisconsin. 9:00 p.m., rachel maddow will interview hillary clinton and follow her interview with senator bernie sanders at 10:00. that's tonight, exclusive events right here on msnbc starting at 7:00 p.m. eastern time. take a look at that.
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little piece of the ad. >> new york.
20 million people strong. no, we don't all look the same. we don't all sound the same either. but when we pull together, we do the biggest things in the world. so when some say we can solve america's problems by building walls, banning people based on their religion, and turning against each other, well, this is new york. and we know better. >> so jose, a little bit of a preview of what her general election
argument is going to look like against donald trump, if the two do in fact face off. but implicit in that ad also is a jab at senator sanders. she's trying to make the point she would be the stronger candidate to go against donald trump in a general election. meanwhile, senator sanders very much focused on the primary. he's challenging secretary clinton to a debate here in new york. initially, her campaign wasn't responding saying they didn't like the tone of the sanders campaign, he's been too negative in recent weeks.
now we're told by both campaigns they are in talks about a debate, so it's a responsibility that we could have another showdown here in the big apple. jose. >> kristen, thanks. i want to check in with the sanders campaign. msnbc's kasie hunt is with us. kasie, good morning to you. what are you hearing from the sanders campaign today? >> good morning, jose. kristen touched on some of this. the sanders campaign very much focused on wisconsin. they see this as a place where if they play their cards right, they could potentially come out of here with a narrative not dissimilar to what happened when he pulled out the surprise win in michigan. because there are a couple weeks between the wisconsin primary and that next up, all important new york, it could breathe some life into a campaign that some people had written off after a series of losses, of course, in big states like ohio and other places. the energy on the ground here for bernie sanders, you can really tell that this is a place that's very excited about him. wisconsin, of course, has a lot of very progressive traditions
built into its history. it's the kind of place where someone like bernie sanders, you could see why he has some appeal based on the state's political history. they are spending quite a bit of money on the airwaves and they're spending quite a bit of time here. that said, the clinton campaign is playing the expectations game pretty aggressively and they have done that pretty well in previous contests. think about nevada when the clinton campaign was downplaying that. the sanders campaign went all-in. she won and it was seen as a serious blow for him. so the sanders campaign has ratcheted up the expectations to a certain degree. that's something to keep an eye on. if they're able to do what they want to, that could send them into new york with some surprising strength. they feel like if they're able to challenge hillary clinton on her home turf, so to speak, that could be a game changer for this delegate matchup. now, of course, still very much an uphill climb. sanders doesn't just have to win these states. he has to win them with
significant margins if he's going to catch her in the pledged delegate count. so far, we have not seen that in primary states. he's done it in caucus states, most of the contests between now and the end of this contest in california and the district of columbia are primaries, not caucuses, jose. >> if he does pull out a win in wisconsin, which is a primary state, it would be, i mean, he hasn't lost a lot in the last couple of election cycles, then. >> he has not. i mean, he pointed out yesterday at a rally in appleton, wisconsin, he's won six out of the last seven. he won those caucuses in washington state, hawaii, and alaska, by wide margins. they feel very good about that. you'll remember hillary clinton's campaign had talked about how she had a caucus state strategy this time around. she wasn't going to let what happened in 2008 against barack obama happen to her this time. but the reality is, they didn't do much to try to stem, to end up stemming those margins and bernie sanders was able to eat
into her delegate lead with those wins. he's now talking about it on the stump, saying he won back a third of her delegate lead, and that he is very much still in this. and he and those around him say he really still is in this because he's convinced he can win the democratic nomination. he's not at the point where he's entertaining questions about what he might want at a convention or other hypotheticals like that. while hillary clinton is essentially saying when i become the democratic nominee, bernie sanders isn't willing to concede that point yet, jose. >> kasie hunt and kristen welker, thank you both for being with me. great seeing you. >> joining me now is brian fallen, the national press secretary for the clinton campaign. great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> thanks. we played the new campaign ad for the clinton campaign which takes a strong hit at donald trump without naming him. is this campaign now shifting to this strategy or just a preview of what's to come if trump is the republican nominee and hillary as well for the democrats? >> hillary clinton believes very strongly one of the most
important jobs of the next president will be to bring the country together to really unify people and work towards the common good. that is the story of new york, new york is the melting pot of america. it is one of the most diverse places around the globe. and no matter what adversity ever hits new york, people come together, and they achieve great things together. and they look past their differences to do so. so hillary clinton, that's the type of approach, that new york story is the type of approach she wants to bring to the oval office in terms of being able to bring people together and achieve great things. donald trump is telling a completely different story. he thinks the way we should approach the problems we face in america today is to sow discord and division and fear. we think americans will disagree with that approach. we believe that new yorkers will. so in this primary contest over the next three weeks, we think that it will be very important message to spread to new york democrats that hillary clinton is the one candidate in the democratic primary race that has
the toughness, the tenacity, and the -- can make the appeal to our collective common values as americans. to really appeal to the sense we're all in this, to truly take on donald trump. >> in order to take on donald trump, you have to go through the primaries. you have to go through every single state in the union where the democrats can talk. let's talk, for example, about wisconsin. her upcoming events are mostly in new york. and not in wisconsin. i mean, is wisconsin -- have you written it off? >> hillary clinton just spent the last two days in wisconsin, so we have absolutely not written it off. but it is absolutely the case that senator sanders enters wisconsin in a very strong position for a few reasons. number one, wisconsin is an open primary. senator sanders traditionally does well in open primaries. number two, it's a very progressive leaning state, as kasie just mentioned. and number three, if you look geographically, it's situated
right between minnesota and michigan, two states where he won. so unlike michigan, i actually don't think it would be a surprise to see senator sanders fare well in wisconsin. but the reality is from a delegate math standpoint, i think the effect of a victory there, whoever wins, hillary clinton or bernie sanders, i think that the effect on the delegate math will be negligible. what will be far more decisive from a delegate standpoint will be some of the states voting in april, particularly the new york primary on april 19th which is one of the big remaining contests in terms of delegates. excuse me, jose. and i think that the standard for senator sanders in a state like new york will be to not just win but to win big. he'll need 58% of the pledged delegates the rest of the way to truly contest this nomination. >> by the way, same for hillary clinton. she has to win big because she's expected to take a big lead in new york, right? i mean, that's pretty obvious, right? >> look, we think we're in strong position in new york. we think we have a great story to tell about her record as
senator, but senator sanders is targeting the state. they have called it a big showdown. they're going to spend a ton of money in new york. we'll be ready, but senator sanders, who is a local brooklyn native himself, is going to make a hard play in new york. >> speaking of brooklyn, what's the story on the debate? is it happening, not happening? it looks like there's movement on that. >> i think we're likely to get a debate scheduled in the next few days. there are private conversations happening between the two campaigns along with the dnc. this is the normal process where there are private conversations and both sides trade potential dates and locations and we come up with an agreement. what really stoked the fire in the last couple days was the sanders campaign going outside the regular process and doing a public letter on sunday. i think that sort of threw things for a loop needlessly, but i think we're on a good track now. i think that we're quite likely to have a debate in april. hillary clinton is certainly willing to do that. we had a great number of debates so far, she excelled in all of them. she asked for additional
debates. new york as a location is certainly on the table. >> very quickly, what was the complaint about the tone of the senator, senator sanders' campaign. the tone? >> the same day that the sanders campaign initiated the ploy of releasing the public letter demanding the debates, there was a washington in the "washington post" suggesting they were going to spend the next three weeks in new york running new negative attacks against hillary clinton. one said they were poll testing new lines of attack to deploy against hillary clinton because they felt they needed to gain some upper hand by going on the attack since they were facing such daunting delegate math. we hope that that's not the case. i think that as our new ad that's out today shows, for all the differences we have between senator sanders and secretary clinton, and there are some and we'll continue to talk about them, we have to stay focused on the larger disagreement between democrats as a whole on the one hand and the hateful rhetoric we hear from donald trump on the other. >> brian, good to see you. thanks for being with me. always appreciate your time. >> thank you for having me. i appreciate it.
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don't believe corey thought was anything. i don't think anyone that was present thought was anything. there were police on the scene that she never reported to, that she never said, hey, this is what happened. >> joining me now, kenneth, law professor at nova southeastern university. good to see you. >> good to see you. thank you for having me on, jose. >> thanks. after seeing the video, give me your analysis of how the case could play out legally and what does this video seem to show? >> first of all, i heard a lot of legal experts talk about this case. most don't know what they're talking about, about florida law. i have been practicing criminal law here for 30 years. this isn't even a close case. this is a battery. there is more evidence i have seen on television in this case than 95% of the cases of battery i have prosecuted or defended over the last 30 years. it's not even a close call. >> talk to me about the difference between battery and what the charge is against lewandowski. you're talking abiliout a diffet charge. >> basically here, what we have is we have evidence of a
probable cause, of a standard that we're talking about. probable cause that a crime has occurred in the state of florida. and clearly, from the evidence i have seen, they meet that low standard. probable cause that a violation has occurred. now, that's not a close call. now, if he's going to be convicted or not at a trial, that is a close call. and if i was his defense attorney, there's really great defenses and a possibility he could be found not guilty at a trial. >> let's talk about florida law. this is a unique state. so the fact that he essentially in one way or another touched her or got between trump and her and moved her aside, however you want to describe what that is there, that in the state of florida would be considered a crime? >> correct. absolutely. listen, if you had a 10-year-old daughter and some man down the street walked up to your daughter and grabbed her by the arm and pressed so hard that the blood vessels under your skin
broke, that's what a bruise is, you would want that person, if you were the father of that little girl, charged with battery. well, here just because this person is not a child, is an adult, it's the same situation. if there's an unlawful touching, and you don't need an injury, you have probable cause for a crime. and here we have lots of evidence that substantiates that crime. it's not a close call. >> you know, i'm -- in a situation where there are a lot of people and there are people moving, it is not unusual for some, you know, touching to occur. it's the specific thing that happened here which makes it different or no? >> well, what we're talking about now is we're going beyond whether or not there's probable cause for a crime, which there clearly is. it's not even open to argument. and whether or not there are good defenses as to whether or not there was an intentional touching, whether or not there was a crime, whether there are good defenses, defense of others, such as defending your
boss, donald trump. those are things that there may be very valid arguments, and there may be reasonable doubt and may be a not guilty from the situation. whether or not there's a charge, whether or not there's sufficient evidence, i'm representing a woman right now charged with a felony and there's a scratch. she was pregnant and the other woman was pregnant and there was a scratch and she's charged with a felony. it's not evenope toon debate as to whether they have probable cause to charge a crime. >> kenneth, thank you for being with me. i appreciate your time. >> supreme court nominee merrick garland is on capitol hill for a third day. meeting this hour with democratic senator al franken of minnesota after meeting with his first republican yesterday. senator mark kirk of illinois. who spoke to reporters about that meeting and about his own party's leadership, saying it will not act on any nominee. >> garland, leading by example,
i'm showing what a rational, responsible guy would do that really wants the constitutional process to go forward. >> maine republican senator susan collins is making waves in her own party for her willingness to meet with garland. luke russert is live on capitol hill for us this morning. good morning. so garland and franken just walked in behind you, luke? >> yeah, garland and franklin just walked in. you can see behind me, this is what we call the press scrum for the photo spray. they're about to be led into franken's office where they'll have a photo op. al franken is very sympathetic to judge garland. being a democrat, he would like to see the process move forward, having a hearing before the senate judiciary committee, an up or down vote on the senate floor. so far, mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader, has been adamant that will not happen. no hearing, no vote, that is the mantra he coined right after justice scalia passed away, and
he's going to stick to it because he believes the conservative backlash is worse than the press they get in the mainstream media or the anger from democrats. susan collins, a moderate republican from maine, she has a different view of this. listen to what she said about mitch mcconnell and the process about judge garland. >> i must confess that i'm a bit perplexed by his position, because i -- let's say that hillary clinton is the next president of the united states. i personally believe that she would be likely to choose a nominee who is to the left of judge garland. >> so what you heard there, jose, is you're starting to see a bit of the cracks in the dam in the mcconnell strategy. that's what democrats are hoping
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two weeks ago, but he made an unprecedented bid to keep the delegates he won for the republican national convention this summer. chief legal correspondent ari melber filed this report on msnbc.com. how exactly is rubio trying to keep the delegates? >> this is something else. i filed this report, the way i learned about it is the way a lot of people who are junkies hear about this kind of thing. this week, alaska had sent some delegates over to trump and cruz because rubio had dropped out, suspended his campaign, and that's the normal way things go down. then, rubio personally sent a letter to the alaska gop chair, you see it there on the screen, msnbc, we have obtained this, asking to get his delegates back, alaska did so, giving him five delegates back. we started asking around. i learned from a rubio aide they are sending this letters everywhere he won delegates, afging to hold on to the delegates, and i asked why. they said, quote, to stop trump. this is all a goal to try to round up extra delegates for
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ignorance. and it's actually kind of scary. so it was actually kind of what i felt coming here, like okay, i'm open to the idea. let me see because i like trump and bernie. and now i've kind of nailed the coffin shut with trump. just seeing how people are behaving. i was thinking, where's the black trump supporter who will stand up and tell these people, you know, i'm -- i don't know, not a very diverse crowd. the crowd seems to be rather exclusive. and not inviting other types of diverse people in. i don't think anything like a movement like this is going to last. >> so jose, you have rallies across the state for donald trump, yesterday, again today. and then a town hall tonight on msnbc. but it's unclear whether he can actually convertundecided voters into his camp and move the poll numbers. we'll find out later today when marquette university comes up with updated numbers. it's going to be interesting. if he can't convince people at
the rallies what really are the point of them? >> tony dokoupil in a brewery. thank you. good seeing you. as we mentioned, donald trump will hold two events in wisconsin today. he'll start in de pere in just a couple minutes and then head 30 minutes south to appleton. jacob rascon is in de pere where crowds are gathering for a rally at the top of the hour. jacob. >> hey, jose. we're at st. norbert college where we're seeing a protest unlike any other we have seen, which is totally silent. in fact, the entire time they have been here, since about 7:00 this morning for some of them, they haven't done any chants. they spent only about a day and a half, which is how long they had, to prepare, to make signs. they're mostly students, and they're led or organized by grace. grace, why? why come out and do this protest and why be silent? >> we chose to be silent and have a peaceful protest because there has been so much conflict at trump events. and we didn't want to fight hate with hate. we just wanted to spread a
message of solidarity and just say to everyone out there that we are not looking to divide america. we understand that diversity is very important. and we just wanted to share our message of peace. >> thank you so much, grace. and there are trump supporters, about 100 yards from where we are, and they're still lined up, although the doors have now been shut. the rally will start soon, though donald trump is not here yet. again, a different kind of protest, totally silent. they're not liking what they're seeing at other rallies and so far it's working for them. >> jacob, you have been covering these things for some time now. how many people are behind this? is this one of those kind of larger organized things or kind of a very localized? >> so, it was set up on facebook, and again, they only had about a day and a half notice. if you look around, there are several dozen, maybe 100 or so, people. and again, mostly students. there are some faculty and some
members of the community who saw it on the news. we're not seeing the organized groups like showing up for racial justice, black lives matter. this is very local to the school, in fact, for the most part. jose. >> jacob rascon, good to see you. thanks for being with me. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. thank you for the privilege of your time. tamron hall is up next. i'll see you tomorrow. it takes a lot of work... to run this business. i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a great taste. i don't plan on slowing down any time soon. stay strong. stay active with boost. now try new boost® compact and 100 calories.
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morning, defending his campaign manager who has now been charged with battery. surveillance tape appearing to show corey lewandowski grabbing the arm of a reporter after a news conference earlier this month. here's donald trump a few hours ago. >> he brushes her, and he brushed her to get probably, probably to get her hand off my arm. so it was so minor, he might not have even realized it took place. >> meantime, a "washington post" headline this morning, was triggered by trump's response when asked yesterday whether he considers some of the remarks he's made as presidential. >> nothing is presidential except victory. victory is presidential. >> also this morning, all three republican candidates are now backing off those pledges to support their party's eventual nominee. >> do you continue to pledge whoever the republican nominee is? >> no, i don't anymore.