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live from msnbc election headquarters in new york. we begin with trump campaign in full damage control mode this morning. after the gop front-runner ignited a firestorm during a msnbc town hall by insisting if abortion were outlawed women violating the ban should be punished. this morning, a campaign spokesperson for trump dismissed his remarks as, quote, misspeak. trump himself has been silent on the matter. not even taking to twitter to issue another comment or clarification. as he so often does. here's how it unfolded last night on msnbc town hall hosted by chris matthews. >> if you say it's a crime or abortion is murder, you have to deal with it under the law. should abortion be punished? >> well, people in certain parts of the republican party and conservative republicans would say, yes, they should be punished. >> how about you? >> i would say it's a very
serious problem and a problem we have to decide on. it's very -- >> you're -- >> wait. will you say the put them in jail? >> no. i'm asking you. because you say you want to ban it. when's that mean? >> i'm against -- i'm pro-life, yes. >> how do you ban abortion? >> you go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places. >> yeah. >> but you have to ban it. >> but the churches make the moral judgment and you running for president of the united states will be chief executive of the united states. >> no, but -- >> do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle? >> the answer is there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah. >> ten cents, ten years? >> i don't know. that i don't know. >> why? you take positions on everything else. >> i do. it's a very complicated position. >> a fine? >> well -- >> imprisonment? >> to be determined. >> what about the guy that gets her pregnant? is he responsible under the law for abortions?
or not? >> it hasn't -- different feelings, different people. >> no. >> i would say no. >> shortly after that taping, trump made that when he made the comments he issued a clarification saying, this issue is unclear and should be put back into the states for determination. like ronald reagan, i am pro-life with exceptions, which i have outlined numerous times. then, two hours later, the trump campaign did a complete 180. if abortion were illegal, his campaign wrote, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. adding the woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. my position has not changed. all of this, of course, generating major headlines across the country. "the new york times" declaring trump eyes punishment for woman and recants and "wall street journal," "usa today" saying
outrage on both sides of the issue. indeed, the abortion rights group naral warned trump's, quote, unhinged position is sure to endanger women. and from the president of the anti-abortion rights group, march for life, often a woman makes a choice for abortion out of desperation and the last thing she needs is the threat of punishment. trump's comments also drew swift backlash from all of the other presidential candidates. >> should women who get abortions be punished? >> of course not. and don add's comments today are just the latest demonstration he hasn't thought seriously about the problems facing this country and willing to say anything to try to get elected. >> absolutely not. i mean, i do have exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother and women shouldn't be punished. i think donald trump will say he didn't say it or misquoted or whatever but i don't think so. >> what donald trump said today was out rrageous and dangerous. you know, i'm constantly just
taken aback at the kinds of things that he advocates for. you know, maya angelou said when someone shows you who he is believe him. he's shown us who he is. >> women have the right to control their own bodies an enthe right to make those personal decisions themselves. but to punish a woman for having an abortion is beyond comprehension. i don't know what world this person lives in. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell covering the trump campaign for us this morning live in green bay, wisconsin, where trump made the remarks last night ahead of the state's critical primary next tuesday. kelly, it is interesting we have to note donald trump's activities on twitter, but we know now that's a favorite form of communication. since the interview with chris matthews aired, there's been nothing posted to donald trump's twitter account referencing the interview, not even clarification from his campaign
and he's off the campaign trail today. >> reporter: well, perhaps he'll us the that he misplaced his phone. we'll have to see because you're right. he's so prolific on twitter. in many ways, tamron, this is a day for him to try to perhaps look for a new topic and he will do that in the sense that there is a big nuclear summit going on in washington, d.c. we have learned through the campaign he'll meet with some of his foreign policy advisers there. so not an interact with voters kind of campaign day but important on that subject matter. but when it comes to this mess and politically it is a mess. you know, the packers play behind me at lambeau field and trump sort of a welcome to the nfl moment in national politics because he's not had the opportunity to be tested over time on how he handles these things. just during this presidential campaign. others who have competed have had lots of different elections where they have been making mistakes and they recover from
them. we're watching it in realtime with donald trump. what does he really believe? that's a question for many republicans. his evolution on the subject of abortion in and of itself is problematic. formally very supportive of abortion rights and then moving to this position which is more extreme than even people who make abortion a central issue because conservatives do not see any sort of punishment directed toward the woman, the mother, as being a part of this. and so, trump has created a mess that gives his opponents both democrats and fellow republican rivals a chance to take him to task and his silence in these hours perhaps is a way of him trying to retrench, come up with a better answer. we don't know. but watching for his next move i think will be telling. tamron? >> kelly, thank you so much. joining me now terry o'neill, president of the national organization of women and analyst and national affairs correspondent for the nation, joan walsh. joan, let me let you get in
here. kelly o'donnell saying donald trump now meeting with the foreign policy advisers, perhaps to talk about nuclear proliferation. that is also a trouble spot for him because of what he said regarding other nations, acquiring nukes and the idea he would never take it off the table and meaning using nukes against europe and we'll get to that. i had a woman tell me she's never seen people on both sides of the abortion agree and this may be a first she can recall and they agree that what donald trump said yesterday was beyond egregious. >> that's so true. it is really true it's brought people together on both sides because what happens is you watch it, tamron, you are seeing a man who's not thought very deeply about this at all. he says he used to be pro-choice. somehow he saw the light and shifted over but when chris does this excellent thing that he does so well where he gets real
serious and real practical about it, what would happen? how would that work? he falls apart. he dissemiibles, moves around and then comes out with it hiing that's what's he's supposed to say. on anti-abortion side, they have created this in the sense if you go around saying abortion is murder, then a guy who doesn't think very deeply about it like donald trump, he doesn't -- well, murder, we have to punish them. so the whole thing is kind of falling in on itself. they have created this problem, too. >> terry, we heard a number of people note that with donald trump and joan picked up on it, the and then what, asked on the topics of nuclear arms, a foreign policy or domestic issue of building this wall, the and then what is where he falls off. this is a situation where donald trump perhaps has been faking it until he makes it. with conservative values and he could not fake it in front of chris matthews. there's even a moment trying to
bring up chris' religion as if chris matthews was the person running for president rather than answering the question. >> i know. it was really an amazing interview to watchrom that perspective. but, you know, i really -- when i was watching it, saying to myself, you know what? donald trump was actually being candid about the republicans' attitude about abortion and advocacy around abortion. their advocacy makes criminals out of women. we have states -- i think 38 states have fetal homicide laws. the anti-abortion advocates support the laws. women have been prosecuted under those fetal homicide laws, some women for ordering ru-46, the abortion pill, over the internet which is unlawful but they have a constitutional right to terminate that pregnancy. they've been blocked by this web of restrictions and regulations at the state level and we are now seeing women actually prosecuted and imprisoned for it. so the idea that the republicans
say, no, we don't want women punished. i think that's hollow. i think donald trump exposing the reality of the republican position and he didn't realize that they didn't want it exposed. >> that's funny you mention that because chris was referencing this morning on the "today" show seeing the wheels turning with donald trump perhaps not fast enough trying to match what he anticipated was the message from the conservative wing of the party but now mike huckabee is saying that it was a horrible answer. we know that mike huckabee considers himself -- a former minister and most conservative, when you look at the republican candidates, it was even noted that rick santorum did not go this far as to say that a woman should be punished. whether it's a fine or worse for this difficult decision. >> you know, they won't say it because it pull polls so badly. but what they do is create and
enforce laws that wind up punishing women who seek to exercise their constitutional right to an abortion. and the reason that this is so serious and it is something we need to think through what the republican candidates would do as president is that one in three of us, one in three women will have an abortion by the age of 45. and in states like texas, the percentage of self-induced abortions, attempted self-induced abortions going up in response to the draconian anti-abortion laws being passed at the state level. >> talk about the timing of this, joan walsh. polling shows donald trump with a 70% negative. >> yes. >> among female vote earls. those numbers could greatly change, as well, with republican women. who hear these comments. right now these are national. >> right. >> how does this impact him or is this another instance of this is the headline, some liberals are, you know, having their hair
on fire but this guy pulls out the victory. >> the issue is not just liberals with the hair on fire and remember that this comes in the wake, the news moves on quickly and it was yesterday, the day before we were all debating that he defended his campaign manager, corey lewandowski, who's been arrested for battery against a reporter. he has kept this man on. he has attacked this young woman and said she is ruining the life of a good man. conservative, women journalists and others are up in arms about this. they're seeing the kind of nug thug ri at the heart of the campaign and i think it's hurting him monk republicans. john mccain won't hurt him. comments of muslims, sorry guys, won't hurt him. this is hurting him. >> why is this different? >> i think it's forcing republican women to face when's going on in their party and i think that between, you know, roughing up a young woman reporter and now saying this, they really have to grapple with
the fact that he's either not thought about it very much or he doesn't care very deeply despite the fact he says i cherish women, a weird creepy thing to say. he doesn't cherish women and that women have become the to kathie lee point for a lot of abuse in this campaign so far. >> terry, it is interesting going back to the focus on republican women when you see, you know, a major organization who wants to see roe v. wade, you know, in our rear-view mirror and they come out and criticize donald trump. how does he get out of this? obviously these -- this flip flop that we have seen in realtime does not matter to them. so can he get back on track here? >> you know, i think he will. there are some anti-abortion groups already saying, well, he just misspoke and we're glad that he's add the opportunity to think more deeply about -- >> march for life is not saying
that. the president of that organization, anti-abortion rights organization, they're not on record at least so far as saying he misspoke. they are coming after donald trump on those comments. >> and he's going to continue to pay for that. yeah. and, you know, couldn't happen to a nicer guy because he really isn't for women. >> can i just point out how quickly he answered the answer should men be punished in no, no. i don't think so. so he was able to get that right. no punishment for the men but punish the women. >> absolutely, why. >> see what the fallout is after this and see if donald trump takes to social media or wherever to continue this or try to pretend it never happened. thank you both for your time. greatly appreciate it. coming up, donald trump's comments on abortion not the only firestorm created from that town hall on msnbc. this is another moment being discussed and it involves nuclear weapons. >> you might use it in europe? >> no. i don't think so. but i'm not -- >> say it.
i'm never using -- i i'm not taking cards off the table. >> the latest on the fallout from those remarks. plus, our exclusive interview revealing a apparent rift of bernie sanders and hillary clinton's remarks on abortion. new reaction of hillary clinton supporter, new jersey senator corey booker. people say i'm getting better. no one's ever said that. but i'd like to keep being terrible at golf for as long as i can. he's just happier when he's playing. but he's terrible. for the strength and energy to keep doing what you love, try new ensure enlive. only patented ensure enlive has hmb, plus 20 grams of protein to help rebuild muscle. and its clinically proven formula helps you stay you. oh. nice shot. new ensure enlive. always stay you. whose long dayis sheldon setting up the news starts with minor arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever
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dow's conversation with hillary clinton in an exclusive interview. it also showed a rift between clinton and senator sanders in their response to donald trump's remarks about abortion. bernie sanders called the comments, quote, shameful. but he also said it's another example of trump dominating media coverage at the expense of important economic issues. >> once again, every stupid remark will be broadcast, you know, for the next five days. but what is donald trump's position on raising the minimum wage? well, he doesn't think so. what is donald trump's position on wages in america? well, he said in a republican debate he thinks wages are too high. because media is what media is today, any stupid, absurd remark made by donald trump becomes the story of the week. maybe, just maybe, we might want to have a serious discussion about the serious issues facing america. >> and secretary clinton pushed back on the response of senator sanders.
here's what she told rachel. >> and to think that this is an issue that is not deserving of reaction just demonstrates lack of appreciation for how serious this is. this goes to the heart of who we are as women, what kind of rights and choices we have. it certainly is as important as any economic issue because when it's all stripped away, so much of the republican agenda is to turn the clock back on women. make no mistake about it, rachel. they would pretend otherwise but whether it's economic or health or any of the other positions they take, but this one on choice, on the right to a safe and legal abortion, which you do not have to choose, but under our law and our constitution, you have a right to do so. for it to be both legal and safe is under concerted attack by republicans from washington
across our country. >> and let me bring in new jersey senator corey booker supporting secretary clinton. senator, thank you so much for your time. >> no, thank you for having me on today. >> we have new poll numbers out of wisconsin and marquette university poll showing bernie sanders leading secretary clinton 49-45. the milwaukee wisconsin sentinel with an op-ed today on what they call clinton's abysmal record on open government. i just want to read a bit to you. it says her horrible track record on transparency raises serious questions for open government under clinton administration so serious we believe they may disqualify her for public office. we hope wisconsin voters give the issue the consideration it does when they go to the polls tuesday. the paper cites the current fbi investigation. you all know that the fbi reached the end of the investigation and may interview secretary clinton herself soon. let me get your response to that
op-ed. >> first and foremost, again, thank you for having me on. she's got an open commitment to government and transparent about the e-mails and now all released and people in the public have had at them. i don't agree with the idea or the assertion that someone who has served at levels of government from being a first lady, from being a senator, from being the secretary of state, who has shown not only her ability to be transparent but has worked successfully in places like burma for open democracies, this assertion doesn't fall anywhere near true and i would just love to make a point of what secretary clinton was saying earlier. we have watched in this country right now about how folks have been rolling back rights of women.
their access to health care. their access to make their own life decisions. we've seen it in ways and states where they're closing down planned parenthoods, restrictions access to abortions and very few if any places in states to go to. that is serious issue. restricting rights to get from a pharmacist their birth control pills. there is a big effort to undermine the freedoms and rights affirmed by the constitution -- by the supreme court and so this is a very big issue because it's not just about access an abortion. this is about access to health care. this is about economic empowerment. this is about a woman being able to choose her own way. and so i do think this is a big issue and i think what secretary clinton is saying in response to what donald trump said which was really astonishing to me is something that we should be talking about. >> we also played a comment from senator bernie sanders where he as well said the comments were shameful from donald trump and
made the point of donald trump dominating the media and the headlines and this is a chance, again, not to talk about minimum wage or taxes or climate change as he pointed out. i'm sure you heard the comments of bernie sanders. a part of the stump speech is that he, for example, can stay on the ground in wisconsin several days and make many more appearances because he is not begging billionaires to support his campaign. they have pulled in a large number of donations, small donations yet again here. when he says that secretary clinton is out begging billion na theirs, can you say that is not the case? >> first of all, i think that comment is disrespectful. and just reflects a spirit that i'm disappointed to hear. to say that any of us and all of us have and bernie sanders has gone to fund-raisers for the democratic party, to characterize folks that way to me is demeaning and beneath the
spirit that senator sanders said he was going to be talking about in the campaign and people overlook the fact that hillary clinton, too, has a significant amount, millions and millions of dollars, that she is raising in small dollar donations, as well. let's get the trash talk and leave it for the republican side and get back to talking about the issues, which secretary clinton is doing every single day. talking to voters about issues that matter to them from the opioid epidemic to issues of criminal justice reform i'm passionate about. we don't need that petty back and forth rhetoric which i, again, is it's just disappointing to me. >> i want to play another moment of the interview with secretary clinton yesterday. she asked if there's a case for wining down the clinton foundation which solicited donations as you well know, senator, from people around the world. let me play what she said. >> there is no doubt that there will be complete transparency about donations. but when you have hundreds of thousands of people who are
donating as they do, i think that the best answer for that is what we have been doing for the last several years and that is to be transparent about it and let voters and others make their judgment. >> senator, you've said on another occasion that secretary clinton is held to a different standard. do you believe she's being held to a different standard as it relates to people digging into the clinton foundation and some of these donations? >> please understand that came from an obama supporter that even when i was out there working really hard in that first election in '07 and '08 for president obama, i saw a different treatment that hillary was given, conversations about the clothes, her hair style, stuff they weren't staying about other candidates so clearly to me she does encounter a different standard on a lot of issues. this is a clear issue. i and you know the good works of the clinton foundation has done. i've been to some of the sessions, seen the kind of pledge that is folks are making to deal with really important
global issues. she's made a commitment to transparency and that's what i think i want as a voter is to know about those donations, the details and facts and she's made that commitment. so, again, to me it's about this campaign right now and what hillary clinton is saying and stating not just about being transparent but also about the issue that is are really important to voters and that's why i'm here in wisconsin to talk to people about raising the minimum wage, access to health care, about combatting a war on drugs which is a war on people really disadvantaging poor and minority folks in the country and i'm proud of her stances on the issues and that she is the most qualified person on both sides of this campaign to get something done about the issues that americans care about most. >> senator corey booker, thank you so much for joining us. a great pleasure having you on. thank you. >> thank you very much. developing now, governor john kasich set to speak to reporters. this hour he is in new york city. we'll be homonitoring his event
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very reliable conservatives, a different kind of conservative than you might find in a place like utah where he was successful or iowa where he was successful and an evangelical message. cruz's focus with a new tv ad called opportunity that really hits this message hard. it talks about sort of agricultural families and people with small businesses, again, focusing on the message of jobs that the campaign thinks will help cruz in wisconsin so looking at the numbers, he is here in california today. kimmel overnight and finance events today and expect him on the campaign trail potentially with governor walker at the end of the week there. >> thank you. and national polls, the man you see at the bottom of the screen, governor kasich has a ten-point lead or increase i should say over what we saw last month. during his town hall here on msnbc last night, kasich had a strong argument to a trump supporter on why he is a better candidate. >> how or what can you say to me
to make me get off the trump train? >> well, i mean, first of all, i'm the only candidate that wins against hillary. last poll i was up by 11. i mean, last five or six i've been able to beat her decisi decisively. i became governor. we lost 350,000 jobs. now up 417,000 jobs. i have cut taxes more than any governor in america. i am -- we're continuing to reform welfare. plus, because we're doing better, we have been able to help all these people. >> you know what happened to me? i'm going to tell you. this is true. chuck has been very fair to me. but i received no attention for months and months and months. for -- you like rocky and the underdog? i have been ignored for about five months. but you know why? i wouldn't name call. >> i'm joined now by conservative radio host michael medved medvedev. thank you for joining me again. >> great to talk to you, tamron. >> what do you think of the
answer of kasich for that woman wondering about getting off the trump train? >> i'm sympathetic to governor kasich and he is right. he does beat hillary clinton very decisively in polls but he has an instinct which he ought to resist and i have done this, i have done that. this is not a year people want resumes. they want somebody to understand and explain how will i change america? and kasich has a lot to offer in that regard and he tugt go there because he's actually thought about issues like the human life issue, like the abortion issue, in ways that donald trump hasn't. and one of the things that kasich can talk about if he wants to reference his record as he obviously does is, look, this is not just something i discovered this year. i think one of the things governor kasich ought to do and senator cruz is point out that four years ago when donald trump was running for president and he really was even though he didn't announce the campaign, he was
obsessed with the obama birth certificate. you remember that. and what happened to that? the point is, donald trump doesn't care about any of these issues? he picks things up like a drunk in a barroom brawl picks up a bottle or stool or whatever he has to hit somebody else and with no sincerity, there's no heart. >> but a drunk in a -- who grabs to keep going here, a drunk who grabs a chair or a bottle to hit can knock you out and he's knocked out several of the more conservative of your party who were running for president including scott walker who's out of the race and now supporting ted cruz. but you made an interesting point regarding voters not wanting a resume. are we perhaps now transitioning from the cult of personality phase to resumes and i brup donald trump's remarks of drrgs and what he said about nuclear weapons.
let's play another moment from last night, michael. >> they're hearing a guy running
for president of the united states maybe using nuclear weapons. nobody wants to hear that. >> then why make them? we have to -- >> the mutual shared destruction which reagan hated and tried to get rid of. >> i would be the last one to use the nuclear weapons. that's like the end of the world. >> can you tell the middle east we're not -- >> i would never say that and take any of the cards off the table. >> europe? >> i'm not going to take it off the table. >> you might use it in europe? >> no. i don't think so. >> just say it. i'll never use a nuclear weapon in europe. >> i am not taking cards off the table. >> so, michael, that is where resume matters or the ability to have a team around you and do the studying needed, gain the knowledge needed to be able to answer questions as chris posed to the front-runner. >> you're exactly right, tamron. and in this regard, it's not a resume of i've done this as governor, i've done this as chairman of the house budget committee which john
kasich was. it's i've cared about these issues, i have cared enough to think about them, to be involved in them. ted cruz has a very thin resume
and he right now winning and winning big in wisconsin.
the reason he is is because people know he's given his life to the conservative cause. the point is, marco rubio said, donald trump is a con man. and he has put the con in conservative. what issue conservative to say i might use nuclear weapons and i might not. get rid of them. someone has to understand the essentials of american foreign policy. tamron, as a conservative myself, i am so appalled at the idea that we may have a nominee for president who confirms every negative stereotype about what it means to be conservative. i don't believe that being conservative means that you hav. you have to be mean. you have to be selfish. you have to be greedy. let us remember the last conservative to win a national election as president of the united states was george w. bush.
>> right. >> who was a compassionate conservative. >> let me just quickly here ask you based on this week that donald trump has had from his campaign manager being charged to these comments about nukes to his comments, of course, regarding women and abortion, if he goes in with majority of delegates, what happens? >> well, if he goes in with -- >> based on this week. >> -- first of all, i don't think he will. i think he'll lose in wisconsin and lose big. i hope he finishes third. and second of all, if he wins a -- if he beats the odds and win it is 1,237 delegates and has a majority, he will be the nominee and deserves to be and then figure out what we do. but if he only has a plurality of delegates, if he only has a delegate lead and not a majority, that means a majority of republicans want something else. and then we have to decide what that something else is. >> michael, thank you so much for joining us. >> a pleasure. coming up after her
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we have done away and did away with this obscenity called preexisting conditions. [ applause ] we have managed to keep young people up to 26 on their parent's plans. [ applause ] we have added 17 million people to the ranks of the insured. we have done away with discrimination against women who were paying too high prices for their health care premiums. >> senator sanders on message there discussing health care in this country. he was also giving some remarks on climate change. he's in pittsburgh holding a campaign rally and will head to new york city tonight far rally in the bronx. kasie hunt is here with a closer look at some of the things making headlines with senator sanders. to be clear, senator sanders like hillary clinton definitely went after donald trump on his remarks about women and abortion. he did also make the comment that the media will follow this
latest headline and not talk about some of the things as he's noted there, health care, minimum wage. how's he balancing, you know, fighting against what he sees as the media and the nature to chase trump and staying on message? >> yeah. well, he drew a little bit of criticism from hillary clinton for that who essentially argued again that this -- there is more to this race than just economic issues. and of course, that is something she leveled at him in the past. she's called him a single-issue candidate. he doesn't really discuss this very much on the campaign trail. it is included in the overall stump speech talking about equal pay for women, of course, and that subject gets more time from him typically. in some ways he did open himself up to a little bit of criticism but the point overall and you see this from bernie sanders consistently, the personality every day on the campaign trail. he gets so frustrated by what he
sees as -- i don't know that he would use the words freak show but the way the media approaches a lot about presidential campaign politics and you can see how dismissive he is on it. abortion important to women in this country. secretary clinton making that point. >> we'll keep an eye on what he says at this rally in pittsburgh and heads to part of the country he knows very well, new york city. >> yes. >> and may be close to sealing the deal on the debate, right? >> sounds like it. still finalizing negotiations. bernie sanders will be in the bronx actually later tonight. we'll see if he running as a brookly brooklynite or expand. >> thank you. good to see you in studio. >> thank you. coming up, why new polling out of the wisconsin shows donald trump falling behind ted cruz in the state that some consider tailor made for the front-runner. we'll take you to wisconsin live after a quick break. if you're going to make a statement... make sure it's an intelligent one.
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welcome back. developing now, governor john kasich taking quells from reporters in new york city. let's listen in. . >> and become more responsive for the folks on welfare, i'm basically going to take their responsibility away from them. how do you think it is what i'm fighting big oil on trying to get a reasonable severance tax to cut the tax for every ohioan? you know what that fight is like? what do you think it was like when the entire members of the republican legislature passed on water withdrawal, every single one of them and i vetoed it. i have been an independent person all my life. my father carried mail on his back and my mother's mother couldn't even speak english and my mother's mother was one of four and my cousin barbara told me she's the only one who got out of the eighth grade to get a high school diploma. i am with the trump people. they just don't know me. what they hear is they see coke,
pepsi, and kasich. i like the kasich brand but i don't know much about it. i might as well go with the coke or a pepsi. but what's happening now? i think people are beginning to get more of a sense of who i am. i don't know if it's water shed but when i point at these five things that all happened within 24 hours, when you start talking about nuclear weapons, you start getting people's attention. when you start talking about banning somebody coming into this country on a religious test, over time, people begin to think about it. if we repel all the muslims, how do we find out what's going on in the muslim community? people know that. in queens, i brought every one of these issues up and you could see people shaking their heads. it's like immigration. what do we do? go around trying to pick people up in the neighborhoods and leave their kids screaming and
crying on the porch while we haul them away in the back of a police cruiser? i now am in new york and i have latinos walking up to me saying you keep going. thank you. so i think at some point, people hear. if they don't, i will have tried my best. it's as such a privilege and an honor to even be here today with all of you. when asked what i would do if he was the nominee, i'd say, at that point, i would have to determine how i felt. but it's pulling so many people apart. it's the attacks that we've seen on women. we know about the whole megyn kelly business which was
terrible. atrocious. but we seen the attacks on religious of the muslim faith, islam. we've seen divisions among people who came here illegally, but should have an opportunity to settle here if they have not violated the law. and we have frightened them. and then we've come up with these absolutely absurd comments that we're going to get the mexicans to build a wall and pay for it. i don't know how you people even deal with this. now, i know that eyeballs give ratings and that means you get a bat on the back, but you have a responsibility in this business. so people are looking to express their frustrations and he's the way to do that. way in the back.
[ reporter asking question ] >> i've been pro life except for rape or the mother and i would have no reason to change that position. yes, sir? [ reporter asking question ] >> i raised issues against him in the, i think, the third debate when i talked about two things that were going on. one, his immigration policy, and secondly, ben carson's ridiculous notion that we would abolish medicare. i'm not going to live in this mode. you go to my town halls, which you have attended many of. i continue to be positive. but when i see a number of these things that have been said, i have to say something about it. if i don't say something about it, then i feel as though, as a public official, that i'm not doing my job. but i don't want to live in this
mode. but there are times whiff to speak out. you talk about, we have a very serious situation here post-brussels. let's just take one second and think about this. they can't get their act together over there. bureaucracy, political correctness, the inability of people to take these threats seriously resulted in the death of and injuries of a lot of people. how could you know that you have a radical jihadist coming the your country and you have the head of turkey telling you and you just ignore it? and one person doesn't tell another person? are you kidding me? and after the horrible massacre at "charlie hebdo" and to turn around and see they took this lightly? this is intolerable for the world. we have incompetent government officials who are not doing their job. and the united states has to lead the way. because i'm going to suggest to all of you if we don't create
the proper environment for intelligence and policing, the inevitability of these attacks coming here is guaranteed. but if we can police and if we can share intelligence and we can continue to support our joint terrorism task forces which we will do in america, america can be safe. always tough with the lone wolf and the home grown terrorists, but the ability to disrupt a major attack involving very powerful weapons is something that i think we can achieve in this country. but you can't get there without worldwide communication, cooperation, intelligence, and policing. with all that done, i think we stand a very good chance to defeat this enemy. thank you all very much. >> abrupt ending to john kasich by taking a few questions regarding recent comments from donald trump. the governor there expressing
that he believes he is perfect for trump supporters. as he is seeing some progress in wisconsin right now, the latest, marquette university poll shows that governor kasich is in third place but he's closed the gap separating him and trump significantly over the past week or so. but governor kasich, pretty fiery there, responding to some of the proposals from donald trump and ted cruz regarding policing muslims. kasich is new york city, and we'll continue to follow all of the developments from the campaign trail. up next, "andrea mitchell reports."
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