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he's making there is false. msnbc did not cut his conversation with chris matthews at all. that town hall was taped as a live event. it was not live as it happened, but it was aired in its form. everything that happened, all of it went to air. the network did not clip it, did not cut it, did not shorten mr. trump's answers. the officials statement from msnbc reads the town hall was taped in advance and then aired in its entirety. absolutely no part of the exchange between trump and chris matthews was edited out. we know that and mr. trump knows that too and any allegation otherwise is untrue. seriously. i mean even trying to sell this to a competing network, that is ridiculous. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell.
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the chief strategist for hillary clinton's and bernie sanders' campaigns will join us on a day when things got a little more intense between the candidates. and last night you saw it right here on msnbc, trump stepped right into a logic trap set by chris matthews who had been preparing for that moment since his days in catholic school. >> do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no. >> there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the women. >> yeah, there has to be some form. >> ten years? what. >> that, i don't know. >> why not? >> to punish a woman for having an abortion is beyond comprehension. >> of course women shouldn't be punish punished. >> donald trump is showing us exactly who he is and we should believe him. >> if i were getting in my car and put tg in reverse and saw donald in the backup mirror i'm not sure which pedal i would
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push. >> i believe the delegates will take seriously who can be president of the united states. >> can how they give up millions of people who will feel -- >> because they don't like you. >> donald trump is looking out for one guy and that guy's name is donald trump. >> i'm so happy. we're about to have a child. i said excuse me. >> the last time donald trump was an unmarried man he discussed his dating life with howard stern. he was dating the woman who would become his third wife and possible first lady of the united states. he told howard how happy he was that in five years of dating she took her birth control pills every day. he said he trusted her completely to do that. as you're about to see, donald trump was reminded that he had made the mistake of trusting a previous girlfriend of taking
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her birth control pills every day. >> she's on the pill. >> you know you fell for that one time before. >> i did. that happened. i'm so happy, we're about to have a child. i said excuse me, i didn't know about this. at the time i said excuse me, what happened. i said what are regoiwe going t about this. she said are you serious. >> what are we going to do about this. clearly as donald trump saw it there was a choice to be made about that accidental pregnancy, a choice that donald trump now does not want you to have. >> how do you ban abortion? how do you do it? >> you'll go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places. >> yeah. >> but you have to ban it. >> you have to ban it. in president trump's world no man in america would be able to say to his girlfriend upon discovering an accidental pregnancy what are we going to
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do about this? there would be no legal option other than having the baby. the story that donald trump told howard stern about that accidental pregnancy ended with marla maples giving birth to a daughter and two months after giving birth she became the second mrs. trump and now donald trump doesn't want to allow any guy in america to have that donald trump reaction to an accidental pregnancy, what are we gonna do about this? no guy would be allowed to quote the old pro-choice donald trump in that moment. in trump world there would be no choice. chris matthews is a graduate of the college of the holy cross in massachusetts where he participated in discussions of issues like abortion at the highest level of religious sophisticati sophistication. his tangle with donald trump last night was child's play compared to any class discussion
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at holy cross. >> you believe in punishment for abortion yes or no as a principal? >> the answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the women. >> yeah, there has to be some form. >> ten years? >> i don't know. >> why not. you take positions on everything else. >> i do take positions on everything else. >> how do you ban abortion without a sanction. then you get into the tricky of a sanction. a fine on human life which you call impris imprisonment? what about the young man who is responsible. >> different feelings, different people. i would say no. >> you surprised? in president trump's world when abortion is banned and a man does his best imitation of donald trump saying well what
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are we going to do about this when he discovers his girlfriend is accidentally pregnant and then that man helps his girlfriend commit the crime of getting an abortion, that man will pay no legal price, but the woman will. the big mistake you watched donald trump make there was a political mistake. he made the mistake of using logic, simple logic, to guide him. using logic to guide his thinking about his new republican position in favor of banning abortion. it is a politically difficult position to hold in a country where a majority favors reproductive rights as outlined by the supreme court. it is logical if abortion is illegal people involved in the commission of that crime, including anyone who helps in the commission of that crime, should be charged with that crime or being an accessory before or after the fact for that crime, but republicans know how harsh that sounds.
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it's the only thing that sounds harsher than banning abortion. charging people with the crime of abortion. that's the only thing that's harsher. so republicans like to pretend that abortion can be outlawed, but no one in america will be treated as an outlaw for violating the republican abortion ban. so donald trump didn't know yesterday that the accepted republican spin on this point is that when abortion is a crime, only doctors will be criminals, not the woman who begs the doctor to commit the crime of abortion, she will not be a criminal, not the boyfriend or the husband or the parent who urges the woman to have an abortion and drives her to the doctor and pays for the abortion. they won't be criminals. they won't be accessories before or after the fact. the receptionist at the clinic won't be a criminal. the nurses won't be criminals because they are among the most admired people in america and
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republicans don't want to be the party that's trying to criminalize our beloved nurses. just the doctors. just the people who pursue the most difficult course of study in higher education, devote themselves to the study of saving human life for years then take an oath to do everything they possibly can that is in the best interests of their patients, donald trump has never had a job that requires him to take an oath and the milwaukee journal is hoping he never does. no to donald trump says the first line of the new paper's editorial this week. no to his contempt for women and minorities. no to trumpism. the author of that he had tore
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al will join us in a moment. a trump presidency will float down a river tacking left to right and right to left, claiming up is down and down is up. we live in the real world where the words and choices of presidents can have consequences, war, peace, feast and famine. we can tell what is at the core of trump's beliefs, perhaps beneath the persona of real donald trump there is a real person and not a cartoon character. perhaps what we do know is that he has -- what we do know is what he has said and done and based on that evidence it's clear that this presidential campaign is about donald trump, the wealthy real estate tycoon, it's not about the citizens. wisconsin can be the beginning of the end of all this reality television nonsense. voters can do the nation a huge service on april 5th, they can say no to donald trump.
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joining us now, david hanes and stewart stevens columnist for the daily beast. before we get to wisconsin, i want to talk about the big detour, the sudden detour the trump campaign did today swerving into washington, d.c. after having said the other day that he plans to stay in wisconsin pretty much every day until the election. what happened? >> we were told he was going to stay in wisconsin until the election and then we were told that he would be traveling back to new york for a couple of days. he hasn't had any public events on his schedule that were planned for thursday and friday and then suddenly we found him in d.c. having a meeting with his foreign policy team at his hotel and then suddenly stopping by the rnc where he had a meeting that was said to be
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about party unity and other things for the republican nomination. this is certainly an interesting detour coming a day after he set off the firestorm when it comes to abortion as you were talking about, also when it comes to the nuclear arms race, nuclear weapons, now donald trump stopping by the rnc to try to calm the party down, assure them before wisconsin votes, which is about five days from now. >> david, it's coming your way, the next big vote is in wisconsin. the latest poll we have is a university poll which shows ted cruz ten points ahead at 40%, donald trump at 30%, john kasich at 21%. that was taken before all the controversies of the last 48 hours. what do you suppose we're going to see as a result of all the tush lance that's occurred there in wisconsin and what we saw with donald trump and the chris matthews interview last night, how do you think that's shaking
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up this race? >> it certainly doesn't help donald trump. i think even conservatives in wisconsin who are pro-life don't want women to be jailed or punished. that's ridiculous. i had calls from a couple of republican women today who were outraged by that. one was a cakasich supporter an the other was a supporter of ted cruz. you have to understand that donald trump has not been a good closer in these campaigns. he has not tended to do with with late deciding voters. >> what made you decide to wait until it came to your state and your state were the next voters to decide, what made you wait until then to write that he had tore al. >> we thought that it was important at this point that
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wisconsin voters think long and hard about this individual. he may be a fine reality tv show star, but he has no business being president. he's thought about the issues knots an inch deep, but barely a micron deep. he believes in walls. he would wall off immigrants. he wants a religious test for muslims. and would put a wall up that would be destructive to jobs in the midwest. >> stuart having run a presidential campaign, what do you make of this detour today. a bomb goes off in the trump campaign last night at the hands of chris matthews and then the next day there's this sudden unscheduled trip to washington, no public events. what do you suspect is going on there? >> i think trump is trying to assure the rnc that he's not the disaster that he appears to be.
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i mean, it's clear we're headed to a historic defeat here that would be not just the white house, but the senate and possibly the house. you can't imagine the fear that strikes in those at the rnc. it's more than that. i think he gets a lot of credit for what he did after the 2012 election taking a hard look at what it means to be a republican and how the party needs to grow. donald trump is shrinking the republican party at a dramatic rate. he's headed in the wrong direction. instead of expanding from the voters that mitt romney got, he is shrinking that pile of voters. instead of getting a bigger boat, we're going to need a much smaller boat. that has long-term consequences for the definition of a party and really sort of raises the question of can the party survive donald trump after this. >> donald trump is ling in that poll among women in
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wisconsin. he comes in third. there's been plenty of talk over the course of these prime areas about how the trump campaign might be able to adjust for a general election, but does the trump campaign, does anyone in that campaign are they profession enough to realize when they see that number coming in third among women in wisconsin that they have a problem right now and that problem is with republican women and it's right now? >> nobody in the campaign is admitting that there might be a problem with republican women. we've asked a number of times and they keep saying that donald trump has been able to win the women vote in past states, but the reality is as you said he is not doing well among republican women here in wisconsin. the state votes on tuesday. i talked to a number of them today at a diner trying to take their polls to find out how they feel about donald trump and it really split along age lines. the older women were more apartment to give him the
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benefit of the doubt, to say that he doesn't necessarily mean that and he adjusted his language. they weren't so bothered by his criticism or attacks on women. they said he attacks people in general, men and women. the younger women under 50, 40, 30, were not so quick to give him that pass. they do not like his bluster. they do not like his shoot from the hip style. they think that's offensive to women. donald trump has done well so far in the gop race for the primaries and the race for this nomination, but there are a lot of republican strategist out there and republican insiders, gop leaders who are very worried about the gender gap with women in a general election. right now about 70% more than 70% believe that they have a -- do have a very unfavorable view of donald trump in this country. with a daunting gender gap like that, there's real concern that a democrat could get in the
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white house pretty easily. meanwhile the trump campaign is not acknowledging that. they say once they get to that point they're going to be able to work with women, appeal to women and get them on their side. we'll see if that happens, but right now when you're talking to republican party leaders on how to bridge this gap, what they're saying is they're going to try to directly target older white women and just try to mitigate the losses when it comes to the younger women vote. >> david, we need your wisconsin perspective on two republican politicians there that donald trump is basically in conflict with your republican governor whether or not has endorsed ted cruz and in a relatively for him muted conflict with speaker paul ryan. paul ryan has spoken out against the idea of banning muslims from the countries and donald trump's rhetoric in the campaign, but paul ryan has not endorsed anyone. talk about the dynamics of those two major figures in republican
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politics in wisconsin being on the other sides of the fence at this stage from donald trump in that state. >> i think two things. first of all, i think that scott walker's endorsement of ted cruz will matter in this state. walker, though, his approval rating overall is only about 38%. still has a lot of respect from the republican base here and so i think particularly in the countries around milwaukee that's going to help ted cruz. i was at the trump rally in jamesville, paul ryan's hometown the other day and i was struck by when trump brought up paul ryan's name there was a course of boos. i think that a part of that is people are just fed up on that side of the political spectrum right now with the establishment and so paul ryan -- i hear a lot when i talk to trump supporters
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in wisconsin that they don't like the budget deal. even though i don't think paul ryan had any choice. so paul ryan remains relatively popular here, but we've actually encouraged ryan to be tougher on trump than he's been. >> all right. we have to leave it there for tonight. stuart when we come back next time your on the show i want to ask you if trump can do the type of u-turn that katie described they plan for the general election. in the meantime we'll try to read your blinmind. new polling shows donald trump would sink more than the republican hopes for the white house. the chief strategist for hillary clinton and bernie sanders's campaigns will join us. hey pal? you ready?
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the center nfor politics ha made the first projection of the 2016 results for november and it's not looking good for trump and the republicans. ♪ [engine revs] ♪ ♪ [engine revving] the all-new audi a4 is here.
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the first projection for the race between hillary clinton and donald trump in a general election predicts a zidisaster r hillary clinton beating donald trump. it was written today that the danger republicans face goes beyond losing the presidential election. in early 2015 republicans were one election away from defeating a weak democratic opponent and controlling both houses of congress barring a miracle in cleveland they are likely six months away from losing two of the three plus the supreme court. incumbent republican senators are now tossups because quote the wider margin of victory at the top of the ticket, the less likely they can survive. if trump proves to be a serious drag on the ticket, there isn't much that either can do to
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rescue their reelection bids. democratic representative told "the washington post" today that the house could also be in play. he said people are now beginning to understand that things could set up, could set up, to give us a shot at the majority. they're beginning to understand that's a possibility because of mr. trump. joining us now, is the director of the university of virginia center for politics whether or not worked on the new electorate college predictions and joining us reporter for "the new york times." what do you make of pundit ted cruz there at the beginning indicating that they could lose a whole lot more than the white house here. >> well, in this particular case he was a pretty good pundit. now obviously his job is to turn donald trump into the republican
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mayor with mayor. he has convince republicans that if they nominate donald trump they're likely to lose everything they've got now. it's seven months away and it's impossible to say what will happen, but my bet will be that the republicans would lose a great deal. they would lose the senate. they lose a lot of house seats. i don't know if they can lose net 30 and lose the house as a whole, but even if they just lose the senate they've lost the supreme court. >> let's look at senator richard burr in north carolina. it says if he supports donald trump will that make it more or less likely to vote for him. this is deadly stuff. >> it's pretty bad. his brand is their brand right now. it is very hard to run away from the guy at the top of a ticket in a presidential election. there's always talk for the
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party on the back foot for how they're going to run local elections, but trump is a single handed national riser of everything and he sucks up all the oxygen in all the rooms. if he rises, everyone else rises and if he falls everyone else falls. >> that's the thing that people might not get which is if you are richard burr and you're running with donald trump at the top of the ticket, it's not enough to not mention donald trump or not even endorsing donald trump because every day on the campaign trail donald trump is going to say something crazy and then a microphone gets put up to you and they say do you agree with your nominee on this. >> you're absolutely right. after a while the line i'm focusing on my own race and the presidential candidate is running his. i wouldn't tell people how to vote. these things become old and it also becomes overus when the presidential candidate visits
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your state over and over and you're always at some far distant point. it becomes pretty obvious you're trying to avoid him. >> and nick, no one's ever come up with a method of dealing with this because there's never been a trump nominee before. so every one down the ticket, every member of the congress, the senators running, they're going to have to improvise this every day if they have trump at the top of the ticket. >> that's right. trump has this way of dominating the discussion as we've all seen. so how do you talk about your bill on the dairy compact or whatever if donald trump is out there saying people who have abortions should be punished and go to jail. it's hard enough for the other presidential candidates to get a word in, imagine if you're a house member trying to get a word in edge wise and get coverage. it's very hard. >> larry, you did not do a matchup on the electoral college
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of bernie sanders versus donald trump. it shows bernie sanders beats donald trump. how would that look? >> i think bernie sanders would end up beating donald trump. at this point i have a hard time imagining in he democrat losing to donald trump trying to project it forward to november. i will say this, though, in hillary clinton's case we have a well-known candidate. we know her pluses and her minuses. after 25 years of being in the headlines and having every reporter look into her repeatedly, i can't believe we're going to find a lot new. believe it or no the even though bernie sanders has been public for the last few months most americans think he's larry david. you talk to people and they're confusing sanders. think about what will happen
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here is the way it looked today on the campaign trail. >> yesterday donald trump said women should be punished for having an abortion. >> every day he comes up with another stupid remark, absurd remark. >> they're very out there right now. >> when someone shows you who they are, believe them. >> donald trump is clearly not prepared to be president of the united states. >> once again he has showed us who he is. >> this is an inability to rally her base. women voters. >> we have to work to make people understand that this is an important race. >> as commander in chief you don't get do-overs. >> donald trump, mr. don't apologize, don't explain. >> and the nuclear thing is really big. >> he talked about the use of nuclear weapons, both in the middle east and in europe. >> i have no idea what that means other than it scares me.
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>> thinking out loud, when you're presidential candidate can be fraught with peril. >> bernie sanders is looking strong in wisconsin. >> this is probably the last best chance for the republican establishment to show they can go up against donald trump and win. >> he's a senator from the lone star state. >> compared to donald i am the shy one is this there's a lot of anger out there. >> and he's struggling here in wisconsin. why do you think that is. >> i think people in wisconsin are level headed in there's a lot of anger from people. >> i didn't think trump thought he would get this far. >> i've been very successful. >> now that he's gotten here he doesn't know what to do with himself. >> i can't believe i'm doing this to be honest with you.
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as they're leaving, i want to say i have earned 9 million votes in this election already. i have 1 million more votes than donald trump and i have 2.5 million more votes than bernie sanders. [cheers and applause] >> hillary clinton facing some vocal bernie sanders supporters today during her campaign rally in new york. joining us now the senior strategist on hillary clinton's campaign and he was senior strategist for president obama. thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks. >> on one of the criticisms bernie sanders has from your camp is that he has unrealistic legislate ifr goals. hillary clinton wants to raise the top tax rate up to 46.3%. there's no one in congress
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that's voted fora tax that high. how would that tax rate get raised if paul ryan is still the speaker of the house. >> i think after elections when politics change not just around the country, but sometimes in washington, i think oftentimes the size of the victory, what issues are fraught out, you may recall that president obama ran on repealing the bush tax cuts and the republicans said we won't repeal them and we repealed them. >> they expired. >> i think what you have is the sense that people know those at the top have to pay their fair share. it's going be an issue in this campaign. but candidates on the democratic side are talking about and that will be a central issue as to how we start making the investments we need that people desperately want so they can give their kids the education they want, get college debt down for people who are going to college and they want
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responsible plans to pay for those things. >> so you'll get with paul ryan who is in charge of tax policy puts the house of represent representatives in charge of it. >> i think when democrats win the election in november, republicans are going to have a lot of repairing to do on their own brand. they have been out of touch on economic policies. they're philosophy has some damage to repair after november. >> one of the policy differences that hillary clinton has with president obama is a no-fly zone in syria. the president says and bernie sanders joins him in this that that's too risky. why does hillary clinton think the president's wrong about
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this? >> i'm not a foreign policy expert as you know. i think she's made very clear what she thinks we need to do to defeat isis. she's laid out a plan to do that. she believes we have to build coalitions on the ground and get our arab partners to work with us. she's drawn a stark contrast to bernie sanders where he would put some of the countries that have tension oz the ground and play with each other which is unrealistic. she's running for her first term as she has said before. she's not running for president obama's third term. he chose her to be secretary of state because he trusted her judgment. if she gets to be president she'll make those decisions and they've probably had differences in the past that they work out. >> one of the things the candidates have been talking about is foreign policy advisers and you're team has suggested that bernie sanders does not have the right or enough foreign
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policy advisers. does hillary clinton have any foreign policy advisers working for her now who were opposed to the iraq war? >> i don't know all of her foreign policy advisers. what do i know is the vote for the iraq war took place more than a dozen years ago. >> you would agree it was the most important foreign policy vote of the 21th century. >> maybe declaring war. >> of the 21th century. >> i shouldn't have used that phrase. >> i'm not old enough to remember that vote, but the 20th century is still prominent in my mind. it was an important vote, but the american people have moved past of the iraq vote and the challenges we face today. isis didn't exist then. we face challenges in places we weren't thinking about 12 years ago when that vote was cast. we are past that.
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we're trying to prosecute the case in the region now and asemable the alliances that we need to defeat isis completely. this election is about today and the future. that's what people are going to be deciding this on. the candidate who brings the no-how and the chops to deal with the foreign policy challenges we place is hillary clinton. it's not just because of her experience. she's been around the world and alongside at leaders and opponents on the other side of us. she's negotiated tough deals to contain iran's ability to get a nuclear weapon. that's what people want as a president who can keep us safe. she's got the know-to do that. >> reports indicate that the fbi is ready to question and interview hillary clinton about the e-mail system at the state department. will she accept that invitation. >> she said months ago she will be happy to do it. >> will she let us know when she
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does that. >> it's optional. >> she has said months ago that she would be happy to answer their questions in their review to help bring that review to closure. this has been hashed out. she has answered every question put to her by journallists. she has said months ago if not four or five months ago she will answer questions to help them facilitate the end of their review. >> thank you. up next, bernie sanders campaign senior adviser will join us. and clean and real and looking good and sandwich and soup and a new personal best. and a little help and soup and sandwich and study group. good, clean food pairs well with anything.
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tonight. nafta is a big issue. both democratic candidates say it's been a problem. bernie sanders voted against it. he also proposed 20 years ago to repeal it. why isn't bernie sanders in favor of repealing nafta now in this presidential campaign? >> well, i think -- if he could repeal nafta he would. i can't think of anybody who has opposed trade agreements more than bernie sanders. he understands that trade agreements like nafta and trade relations with china and other agreements have cost american workers millions of jobs. anything that can be done to turn back the clock on trade agreements bernie would support today. >> i want to ask you about the reality for the next president, assuming that the revolution that bernie's talking about is not complete and you don't get
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100 liberal democrats added to the house of repetitives. if paul ryan is the speaker of the house what are the real possibilities for ledgislative outco outcome. >> if bernie sanders is the president of the united states paul ryan is not going to be the speaker of the house. i will accept the premise of your question. bernie sanders for 25 years has been in an effective member of congress, in the house and senate. what bernie sanders i'm sure will do as president and not just as a single member of the house or senate, but with the enormous power of the presidency is use the legislative skills he has demonstrated to find some common ground and move forward. i'll give you an example. probably the biggest piece of
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legislation past in the last session of congress as the veterans of the committee. him and john mccain found common ground and find $15 billion more for veterans health benefits. that's the approach he would take, findings common ground and working for compromise. if the republicans fail to compromise and that's what probably happen, what would bernie sanders do? he will mobilize grassroots opposition to the republicans and we will make the mid-term election of 2018 a ref dumb on the future of the republican party. >> bernie sanders has said that he has a lit mus test for appointments to the supreme court. that test includes overturning citizens united. presidents have avoided declaring any test for supreme court nominees and as you know nominees go into the
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confirmation process saying they haven't made up their mind about anything. so why would president sanders send in nominees to the committee who have already declared themselves on matters that would come before the supreme court? >> it has happened before. john kerry said publicly he had a test that his nominee would be pro-choice so it's not unprecedented. now in terms of why bernie would do it because he understands that a corrupt system of campaign finance is destroying america's economy and he believbelieve unless we fix that system we will not be able to fix a rigged economy. he has announced he will acts on that by making sure that no pointee to the supreme court. he's decided he's not going to
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put out 20 tests, but i can tell you he has a 100% voting record supporting a women a's right to choose. i cannot conceive of bernie sanders appointing someone to the united states supreme court who would no the respect and defend that central and precious right of a woman to choose. >> the polls that indicate bernie sanders beats the republicans in one-on-one matchups by greater margins than hillary clinton does, every pundit i have had on this program dismisses those polls and says they're completely meaningless. there's one piece out today saying we're now at the point in the calendar where those general election matchup polls tend to be more real. what's your opinion on every pundit saying ignore those, bernie sanders hasn't been vetted yet and they give us reasons to ignore those polls. >> listen, i do think that
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polling is valid, not just for the top line horse race, but if you look inside these polls, there's a lot of numbers in the polls. if you look inside these polls you'll see why bernie sanders is doing so much better than hillary clinton. it's because he wins independents and she loses them. today there was a poll in new york, her home state, her favorable/unfavorable is net negative. be so i think these polls make sense if you look at them and look at how he can draw from a broader section of the electorate. >> bernie sanders mentions hillary clinton more and more. where do you draw the line? is there a principal that you can identify as negative campaigning when dealing with the opponent? >> well, i think in advertising it's easy to draw a line which
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you don't put an image of your owe appropria opponent in an ad. the other line he's drawn is personal attacks. he has avoided those. i think those are lines he's drawn. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. coming up, donald trump wants to spread the development of nuclear weapons in the world while president obama is fighting to stop it. tments through good times and bad. for over 75 years, our clients have relied on us to bring our best thinking to their investments so in a variety of market conditions... you can feel confident... our experience. call a t. rowe price retirement specialist or your advisor see how we can help make the most of your retirement savings. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns
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