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our nbc political team puts it this way. this was trump's worst week of the campaign sis losing the iowa caucus three months ago today. the later firestorm over abortion and the comments he made wednesday right here on msnbc. trump has spent most of his time since then trying to clarify this stance on the controversial topic. you'll remember he initially told our chris matthews there should be some punishment for women who obtain an abortion if the procedure were illegal. he later backtracked twice, saying it should be a state's decision and later that it's the doctor that is possibility. well, on thursday, he told the "new york times," quote, if you answer one question inartfully or incorrectly in some form or you misunderstood it or m misspoke, it ends up being a big story, ending that doesn't happen to anybody else. he called into fox news to suggest he was taken out of context. >> you really had to hear the whole thing. this was a long convoluted question.
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this was a long discussion. and they just cut it out and frankly, it was extremely, it was really convoluted, and if in fact abortion was outlawed the pi person performing the abortion, is responsible for the act, not the woman is responsible. so that's the way i have always felt. i have had the same stance, exactly, as ronald reagan. i have had it, and i had it from the beginning. >> okay so first we can tell you in knno way were trump's commen taken out of context. msnbc responded, the town hall interview with donald trump was taken in advance and aired in its entirety. absolutely no part of the exchange between trump and chris matthews was edited out. our political team is covering the story. we find chris jansing in milwaukee. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> so, trump, i guess he has a
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weekend to try to recover from a double-digit deficit in wisconsin. not an easy feat. >> no. he had a horrible, terrible, very bad week, and the establishment is feeling like they have accomplished what they set out to do. here's the crazy part of it. i came back from wtmj, a talk radio station here. tom radio very influential in milwaukee. it's critical for republicans because the suburban milwaukee area is really heavy with voters, with people who come out for primaries. the talk show folks have just been hammering, absolutely hammering donald trump. in fact, he went on three shows on monday. people are still talking about the fact he seemed to be caught flat footed, unprepared for the fact these are folks who have been actively organizing against him. the establishment in talk radio usually doesn't exist. they're the anti-establishment folks, now they're coming together with people like the governor and to a lesser extent, the speak of the house, paul
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ryan. all people who are very much beloved by the base here. and they are all coming out against trump. i actually sat down with the dean of talk radio here, charlie sykes, a short time ago. here's what he said about the state of the race in wisconsin and why the establishment has been so organized in going against donald trump. >> he is a cartoon version of every single negative stereotype that liberals have had about conservatives, whether it's xenophobic, racist, sexist. at some point, you have to pus back. it's not that i don't think he's conservative enough. i just don't think he has any principled whatsoever. i think the man is a phony. i don't think he's given more than 30 seconds wurgz of consideration to many of the issues and that came out in the abortion question. i think he's an opportunist, a fraud, and i think that to the extent that he has any world view whatsoever, it's narcissism and authoritarianism.
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>> you know, it's really interesting because you expect those kinds of words to come out of radio talk show hosts, that's who they are. but i have heard those same kind of words from people i have been talking to here, as i have been here for the last couple days. so clearly, it's a narrative that's resonating. we saw the marquette poll yesterday that had ted cruz up ten points. there's a new poll out today from fox, same margin. a double-digit lead for ted cruz. and he is not particularly popular here. what people say to me is that they feel like he is the alternative, the one alternative they think can stop trump. many of them said they may hold their nose and vote for him, but vote for them they will. >> and chris, the numbers weren't looking good for trump before this week in wisconsin. is there -- it just seems as though this kind of cemented, in a lot of folks there, in wisconsin their opinion about donald trump. and an opinion that some hold very strongly, like that talk
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show host you spoke with. >> yeah, and i think when you look at the women, for example, in this new poll that came out today, 77% disapproval among women. you cannot have a 77% disapproval among women and win. it's just not statistically possible. nationwide, his numbers are up around that number. and it's interesting, the abortion comments are part of a narrative that a lot of women see because they also brought up his campaign manager and the charges against him for allegedly grabbing a reporter. they also brought up that tweet, remember that tweet donald trump put out with heidi cruz looking angry and melania trump looking like the model she was. and so it's this cumulative effect that women here, and i talked to a lot of them yesterday, and they have been calling in to these talk radio shows. it cements what frankly was one of the first questions charlie sykes asked donald trump on monday, kind of what's with the misogyny? it's a narrative that is
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definitely picking up steam here, and remember, if ted cruz wins here, then he has two weeks to sort of bask in that victory because that's how long it is until the next primary. so that kind of momentum becomes even more significant. >> chris jansing in milwaukee, thank you. great seeing you this morning. >> you, too. >> national correspondent peter alexander in our washington bureau. good morning to you. let's recap trump's week. we talked a little bit about it with chris. you had him backing away from the pledge to support the gop nominee, then the campaign manager gettest arrested, the abortion comments on msnbc. he said this rnc meeting was about unity, right? >> that's what he says. this meeting is in the can for about a wiig. it came as a surprise to most of us. donald trump appearing to regain his footing, meeting first with his foreign policy advisers in d.c. and then the private meeting with the heads of the rnc, that includes the chairman, reince priebus. trump said this was effectively a unity meeting, but it's
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obvious that there was some clearing of the air to do between these sides, as well. especially after donald trump has, well, denounced the party's big donors. he, like others last week, seemed to back away from the pledge to support the party's eventual nominee. he said frankly he's been treated unfairly by the gop. so as much as he was saying there's unity, there's still major divisions in this party right now. reince priebus recognizes, as we speak about wisconsin, he represents what has made the establishment in wisconsin so strong. paul ryan, the speaker of the house, from there. scott walker, the largely supported governor in that state. all three of those guys are big wisconsinites in a state where the sort of populist tone, the populist themes to trump's campaign don't necessarily resonate as much. here's a new poll that's out as well to give you a sense about those divisions. the question for republicans was, what will gop voters do with donald trump as the nominee? here are those numbers.
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36% -- 38% of them say they believe that the party will unite solidly behind trump if he's the nominee. but a majority, 56%, say disagreements with trump would prevent republicans from backing up him, even if he is to become the nominee, jose. >> unbelievable numbers. nbc's peter alexander in washington, great seeing you, sir. >> as we mentioned, john kasich is holding a town hall right now in pennsylvania. there you see it. going to be heading to wisconsin after these town halls he's holding in pennsylvania. nbc's kelly o'donnell is there in hershey. good morning to you. >> good morning. john kasich is not here just yet. but the crowd certainly is. we're at the antique automobile museum. a place that if you visit hershey, p.a., you can enjoy the treats as well as some really terrific old automobiles and buses and all kinds of good things. and so i have done lots of
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campaign events. when you have something else that people can look at while they're waiting for the candidate to get here, that's a bonus. that's setting the scene for you. he's here in pennsylvania where he's doing this town hall and later tonight, both he and ted cruz will speak at a republican event, kiebtd of one of those precursors before the voting comes here to pennsylvania. for john kasich, the ohio governor, right next door, and a native of pennsylvania, born here. that is territory that is friendly, familiar. people here maybe have a better chance of knowing the john kasich story. and throughout those long, crowded, boisterous campaign season, he's often said people haven't gotten to know me yet. there's this window now with just three in the race, but it's sort of a triangulation, for all of the complaints about a cro crowdcrow crowded field splintering the vote, now it's three ways. the group working with john kasich, not directly affiliated with his campaign, has a new ad taking a bit of donald trump and interesting imagery to go after
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ted cruz. why ted cruz? to diminish his numbers, his performance, in a place like wisconsin, where we know he is projected to do very well. that might open up some delegates for kasich, congressional district by congressional district and take a little wind out of donald trump. here's a piece of that ad. >> many just call him lying ted. lied about ben carson to steal a win in iowa. lies about being the best for the gop when polls show he can't even beat hillary clinton. his tv ad about john kasich, lie. stations had to pull it off the air. if ted cruz's mouth is moving, he's lying. >> pretty harsh, and kind of visually almost off putting in a way. that is the outside group, the pac, trying to diminish, to take the shots at ted cruz, while john kasich, the candidate, can remain more positive, talk substance, try to position himself as perhaps the last
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establishment guy standing, if voters want to consider him amid all of the things going on in this campaign season. if there is a choice that people haven't yet made, kasich is trying to make that appeal. we have seen him running third, having a hard case to sell, but he says he's still in it. this might be friendlier territory for him here in pennsylvania. jose. >> kelly o'donnell in hershey, land of chocolate. >> lots of kisses, jose. >> bring some, send some our way. >> the stop trump movement is looking to capitalize on what has been one of the toughest weeks for the trump campaign. here's how the "new york times" puts it, quote, the stop trump movement may never have another opportunity like the one here, where resistance to mr. trump was running high even before his campaign made these consuming questionnaire issues, the new round of issues from his mocking of mr. cruz's wife to the arrest of his campaign manager to his comments in favor of punishing
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women who get abortions. for more on the stop trump movement, i enjoined by tim miller. >> so far, trump has managed to get past hurdles in his campaign, and still remaining the front-runner. do you think this is any different this week? >> look, i do. we always saw this period where you had arizona, utah, wisconsin, as the only three contests over the course of a month, as an opportunity to slow trump down. it's looking like he may very well only get one win over the course of the entire month. and you know, little did we expect, i guess, in true donald trump fashion, that he would spend that time in between these contests making really critical errors that turn off key voting blocks. i think the biggest problems for him is right now, his numbers with women are so horrible and deservedly so, with just the disgusting, demeaning remarks he's made, that if you look ahead to states like pennsylvania and maryland, montgomery county, bucks county,
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suburban women and outside philly and baltimore, his numbers right now are going down, and that's bad news for him going forward. >> yeah, here's what the trump pro-trump super pac, great america pac, is airing in wisconsin. it's an ad clearly aimed at women voters. take a look at this, tim. >> sure, i get some grief when i say i'm voting for donald trump, but you know what. i want to protect my family. paris, san bernardino, and now brussels. i want a president that will keep us safe. we need to control our borders and stop letting in dangerous people. trump will do that. >> tim, it's clearly an attempt by the super pac to get back to the issues that have given trump in the past support. >> the problem is their candidate. i think that what that shows is what the super pac, their super pac is seeing the same thing as what we're seeing, which is donald trump is hemorrhaging support among women. crin jansing reported to you in wisconsin, 77% of women have an
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unfavorable view of him. this is supposed to be a swing state that donald trump and his team has said he could do well in in a general election. he's going to get massacred with numbers like that. the fact that his campaign manager abused a woman, then they hired an attorney that had a history of biting a stripper and being fired for it, and donald trump's disgusting and demeaning comments about heidi cruz and carly fiorina, he has major problems, and even his super pac can see it. >> so tim, is it too late? >> absolutely not. look, i think there's still an opportunity for ted cruz to pass him in delegates. and even if he doesn't, if donald trump gets short of 1237, the rules are the rules. you have to get a majority, and donald trump is not on pace to do that. we just saw the news yesterday. he broke the pledge that he signed in south carolina to support the nominee. that puts -- >> so did the other two. >> that puts 50 other delegates in jeopardy. right, but donald trump got the 50 delegates in south carolina.
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his comments were clear about how he broke the pledge. those 50 delegates could be in jeopardy. we'll have a delegate fight ahead of us, regardless, in cleveland. >> how do you see things turning out in your world, in your best, you know, turnout, how do you see things turning out this summer? >> the best turnout is stopping donald trump. in cleveland. of course, we would like to stop him before that. but the republican party needs a nominee that can appeal to the whole country, that can appeal to the best of us, not the worst of us, that can beat hillary clinton, that's a conservative. donald trump is not any of those things. so we're working to stop him. >> yeah, and again, best turnout would be that, what, someone like cruz gets the nomination? >> i think at this point, cruz is obviously the most likely, as he has the second most delegates. and you know, as we go forward, obviously, john kasich is still campaigning as well. so from our perspective, any nominee that can appeal to the
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whole country, that's conservative, that will represent our party well, is a victory. and that's not donald trump. >> tim miller, thanks for being with me. >> thanks, jose. >> for more on all this, let me bring in senior political reporter and politics managing editor for the "huffington post," amanda turkal, and associated press reporter julie bike owits. thank you for being with me. amanda, let me start with you. you heard from tim miller. let me get your reaction to that. do you really think that the anti-trump movement can gain traction beyond wisconsin? >> well, i think where trump is really hurting himself is for the general election. it's one thing to win in these states against these other republican candidates. it's another to try to win over the voterses you need, women, young people, these other voters who are going to be turning out when you're going up against the full force of the democratic party, and potentially the first female president. so donald trump, i mean, right now, there are polls showing that like three quarters of women don't like him. 80% of young people. and nearly half of republicans.
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so he really, even if this doesn't stop him now, from getting the nomination, it's really going to hurt him in the general election with these sorts of comments he's making. >> let's not forget the support or lack of it with the african-american community. the support or lack of it with the latino community. millions and millions of potential voters. this november. latinos have been seeing what goes on there, and i'm sure many of them aren't exactly very happy with that either. >> right. when you launch your campaign by essentially saying mexican immigrants are rapists, and then you follow that up with saying we should ban muslims, which offends not only many people in the muslim community but many people who simply value the first amendment and freedom of religion and religious liberty, he's alienated pretty much everyone out there. again, the general campaign, he is going to be going up against the entire democratic party. and now, as he's trying to do, he needs the help of the republican establishment.
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he needs their money and he needs their support if he's going to be the nominee. >> and julie, let's bore down on the numbers amanda was talking about. a new poll shows just 38% of republican voters say they think the party will unite solidly behind trump if he becomes the nominee. 56% say their disagreements with trump would prevent them from supporting him. these are numbers that must worry anyone in the republican party, and trump specifically. >> that's absolutely right. i think that even with donald trump, you're starting to hear him express a little bit of concern about the idea that the party would unify behind him. the rnc has been very, very clear that it would support any of the candidates who become the nominee, but you're starting to see donald trump take some steps to insure that he really will have not only party leadership behind him, but sort of the full force of the republican party itself. and you look at polls like that and you can see why he's got a
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growing ceoncern in that area. >> i don't know how you fight back against these overwhelming numbers. i guess he being the most unconventional candidate in recent history, we can't say it's impossible, but i just don't know, julie, what he can do to fight against these overwhelmingly large numbers. >> well, he's got a two-part problem right now. he's realizing that this is -- the race is shifting from a momentum race to a math race. he's really starting to worry about delegates, what the delegates would do at a contested convention, which is looking more and more likely when you look at places like wisconsin, which votes on tuesday and where he may have, you know, face a blowout, and then beyond the math problem, beyond the delegates problem with the party, he's got to be thinking ahead of to if he does eventually get the nomination, what happens to him in a general election? would he really have the unity that he needs to go up against a nominee like hillary clinton. >> julie and amanda, thank you
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both for being with me. great seeing you this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, we turn our focus to the democrats as the fight for delegates there forges ahead, full steam, and so are tensions. hillary clinton letting loose on an activist last night in new york. what had our former secretary of state fuming? welcome to the world 2116, you can fly across town in minutes or across the globe in under an hour. whole communities are living on mars and solar tellites provide earth with unlimited clean power. in less than a century, boeing took the world from seaplanes to space plas, across the universe and beyond. and if you thought that was amazing, you just wait. ♪ he is.rrible at golf. people say i'm getting better. no one's ever said that. but i'd like to keep being terrible at golf for as long as i can.
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>> oh, i know, the bernie people came to say that. we're very sorry you're leaving. i have earned 9 million votes in this election. already. i have one million more votes than donald trump and i have two and a half million more votes than bernie sanders.
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>> hillary clinton taking a jab at both donald trump and bernie sanders at a new york rally. and afterwards, she served up some of her sharpest attacks yet on the sanders campaign. take a look at this response. >> will you act on your words and reject possible money -- >> i have money from people who work -- i am so sick -- i am so sick about the sanders campaign lying about that. >> i'm joined now by msnbc political reporter alex seitz-wald who is covering the democratic campaigns. what was this all about? >> well, jose, you saw there, a visibly frustrated hillary clinton. first she got interrupted by bernie sanders supporters and then video from a green peace activist who confronted hillary clinton about allegations she's taken money from the fossil fuel industry. she's taken money from employees of the fossil fuel industry but not the industry itself. the candidates themselves as been mixing it up as well.
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hillary clinton took a shot on bernie sanders on donald trump. you remember the comment donald trump made about abortion, saying women who have them should be mungszed. when he spoke with rachel maddow, he suggested the media was too focused on that and not the real issues. take a look at that and the response. >> senator sanders agreed donald trump's comments were shameful, but then he said they were a distraction from, and i quote, a serious discussion about the serious issues facing america. to me, this is a serious issue. and it is a very serious discussion. >> look, i have a 100% pro-choice voting record. there will be no president who will defend more strongly a woman's right to choose, who will take on republican governors who are trying to restrict that right. you know, it's a campaign, and secretary clinton will say what she will say.
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>> so both of these candidates want to be seen as the strongest to go up against donald trump, who is looking like the most likely republican nominee. hillary clinton saying that bernie sanders is not going to do that. she's also keeping an eye on the gender gap. she's done better with women. this fits into her larger frame that bernie sanders only wants to talk about one thing, wall street, and not larger issues. >> interesting, they're going back and forth, and the responses are almost immediate. i just got an e-mail from the bernie sanders campaign reacting to what mrs. clinton said last night about being sick and tired and it's not true, that she doesn't get money. here it is, according to the sanders campaign, 57 lobbyists from the industry have personally given to her campaign. 11 of the lobbyists have bundled more than a million dollars to put her in the white house. so they're not waiting and standing by. this is, you know, very intense campaigning. >> right. absolutely. and the clinton campaign has
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been taking issue with this tone. they're saying at this point, the term that they're using is nearly insurmountable, their lead overbust, and they think he should tone it down since clinton is most likely to be the nominee, and they're worrying about him damaging her. >> alex seitz-wald, good to see you. thanks for being with me. >> thanks, jose. >> straight ahead, the deal with unbound delegates. less than 2,000 of them could ultimately determine who's on the gop ticket, but do you even know what an unbound delegate is? jacob soboroff knows. he takes that question to the streets and explains the power of the delegates, next. >> you know what an unbound delegate is? >> no. >> no idea. >> none? >> no. >> none at all? >> no. >> not even a little. >> no. well that's why i dug this out for you. it's your grandpappy's hammer and he would have wanted you to have it. it meant a lot to him... yes, ge makes powerful machines.
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the democrats not only have delegates but they have super delegates. the republicans only have delegates, right? no, there's one more special group called unbound delegates. msnbc's jacob soboroff joins me now to talk about those unbound delegates and who they are. >> it turns out after months of primaries and caucuses and record turnout with millions of people picking their choice for the next president, a group of less than 200 americans known as unbound delegates, could tip the scales alt the republican party's cleveland convention this july, and that makes them some of the most powerful people in all of american politics. so, what are unbound delegates? >> you know what an unbound delegate is? >> no. >> no idea. >> none? >> no. >> none at all. >> no. >> not even a little? >> no. >> not bound to any -- >> starts with a c, ends with an andidate. >> candidate? >> it's somebody who doesn't have to vote for the person that their district designates them
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for. >> each state and u.s. territory has its own mini version of the republican party and they make their own rules when it comes to allocating the delegates. a handful, including north dacdada dako dakota, pennsylvania, and wyoming don't require their delegates to support the popular vote. they're unbound from what voters say and they can make up their own minds. i know what you're thinking. why should we care? >> i can't do anything about it for this election, can i? >> no, but -- >> so no, i don't care. >> schooled. i got schooled. >> democracy works when the mass people, like, decide what they choose and what they want. if we've got people representing us who aren't voting the same way we are, it causes a couple problems. >> here's why? if you define democracy as voters picking a winner, this is pretty undemocratic. if no candidates hit the magic delegate number of 1,237, the
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presidential pick of this small group of people becomes as important as the popular vote. so, who are these people? >> i don't know any off hand. with full certainty, i don't know any. >> that's what i'm saying, hard to figure out who they are. >> i'm sure there's a list somewhere, but i don't -- >> there isn't. we know who a few are, like curly haugland, from north dakota, who gets to be an unbound delegate because of his position in the state party, but there are lots more to come in play in the fex few weeks as state parties hold conventions to elect the rest of the folks. >> i'm going to finds them for you. >> thank you. you do your best. >> that's my new mission. i'm becoming a delegate hunter, hitting the road to track down and speak to these extremely powerful americans whose vote could matter a lot more than yours does, whether you like it or not. >> and jacob soboroff is with me in madison, wisconsin. how is that hunt coming along, jacob? >> all right, jose. i'm about to go on my hunt,
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actually. i'm starting from here today in madison, wisconsin, where people are already voting early in this building, i should say. their votes -- as chuck todd said to me, their votes aren't going to count as much as the unbound delegates. my first stop is the north dakota state convention this weekend, after that, we're going to colorado for congressional district conventions and their state convention. after that, wyoming has one and pennsylvania, i think, has some of the most unbound delegates of any state. altogether, as i said in the piece, about 200. something like 150 or a little more, will be unbound on the first round of voting at the republican convention in cleveland this july. if donald trump doesn't make it there in the first ballot, everybody's unbound and it becomes a free-for-all. that's why it becomes so important for him if he wants to win the nomination to gobble up all of these unbound delegates before anybody casts a ballot at the convention in july. >> jacob soboroff unleased. thank you. good to see you. take care. our pulse of the people continues after the break.
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groelth. you see the manufacturing sector has been losing jobs, almost 30,000 in the last quarter. this is one of the locations where the losses are mounting. by the end of this year, hundreds of hotdog and meat slicing jobs will be eliminated, part of 2600 jobs lost across the oscar mayer empire. i want to bring in kenny, whose family has about 150 years of experience here in this factory alone. your career is almost over. but there are a lot of people in here who are going to lose jobs. what are they going to do next? >> that's a real tough question. there's so many -- it affects so many people and so many different ways. that i just hope that they can continue on with some type of schooling. >> you're part of the united food and commercial workers union. officially, you have endorsed hillary clinton, but this is a comicated election. a lot of issues. you're an undecided voter. what are the issues top of mind for you? >> i would like to see more job productivity, more jobs created in the united states, not
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necessarily here at oscar mayer. this facility has been here for a long, long time. it's going to be bad for the community, i think, because of its loss. tax base, i guess, is going to be gone for the city, too, as well. >> are you seeing the jobs eliminated because they're shipped overseas or because of automation or what? >> i think most of our job loss is probably due to overseas. >> that's the way you slice it. we reached out to kraft, which owns oscar mayer, and they told us the following. this will make kraft heinz more globally competitive and accelerate the company's future growth. it may also accelerate some changes at the ballot box on tuesday. back to you. >> just thinking of kenny and his family, generations working there. and not going to be there anymore, those jobs. it's just heartbreaking. tony, thanks. thanks for being with me. joining me now for more on jobs and other issues impacting the wisconsin race is political reporter with the milwaukee
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sentinel journal, mary. >> thanks for having me. >> let's talk first about how republicans in wisconsin view the party and the gop stabment. it's kind of different in wisconsin than in the past for republicans. >> wisconsin has to be a little different. we have paul ryan here, reince priebus is from here. governor walker has obviously made a name for himself nationally. and a lot of whom are still quite popular among the republican base here. when we have donald trump coming in, running against the establishment, and having some really harsh words, especially for governor walker, it hasn't played well with quite a few of the republican voters here. >> and then there's. you know, talk radio there, which is -- has a strong presence throughout the state. and they, i think, it would be safe to say that the majority of the conservative talk radio is anti-trump in that state. >> right.
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many of them are the never trump crowd. charlie sykes and others had some pretty harsh things to say to donald trump when he called in to their shows this week. they really laid into him about going after heidi cruz, ted cruz's wife. his comments about women, and told him that were never trump folks, which he seems to be a bit taken aback by. i don't think he was quite repaired for just how much talk radio was coalescing against him. >> i don't even think he knew they were coalescing against him when he called in. it's an odd thing because at least you would think, who am i going to be speaking with, you know? >> yeah, he seemed taken aback. i think he told one of the hosts, i'm a bit surprised you would be endorsing a candidate because you're a reporter. shouldn't there be some kind of impartiality, but he learned that was not the case. >> mary, let's talk a little bit about, you talked about scott walker. one of your latest articles is
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titled "donald trump hits scott walker on his record." what's his strategy there? you said he had harsh words about the governor. what's trump's strategy here? >> so, i think he's made a name for himself going after the republican establishment, being an outsider, not being a career politician. so i think that is part of his strategy. i also think he doesn't hold back when he's unhappy with someone. he, after governor walker endorsed ted cruz, we did a few of us did an interview on donald trump's plane, where he mocked governor walker wearing a motorcycle outfit, like a big tough motorcycle guy. he talked about how he was the one who drove him out of the republican primary. that it was him and nobody else who defeated governor walker, who dropped out of the race quite early, before the primaries even started back in september. so donald trump is not a scott walker fan. he made that increasingly clear this week. >> mary, thank you very much.
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good seeing you this morning. appreciate your time. >> thanks for having me. >> next, the numbers are in. more americans able to find work last month? the latest job report just came out. we're going to go through the numbers there. first, i want to take you back to hershey, pennsylvania. john kasich just kicked off a town hall event with voters there. we'll listen in for a few seconds. >> that little town of mckees rocks, and i went to a small school in the midwest, i'm not sure you have ever heard of it. it was called ohio state university. okay. and you know, i went there. i tell you, the reason i went there is i thought about penn, i thought about pitt, and thought, i'm going to make a clean break. i'm going to leave, because i had a lot of buddies going to those schools. i think i'll go somewhere completely different. it really was a great decision. i was there my first week or two, and i found out that i had 15 college room mates. i was up in this tower, for
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continues to gain momentum in wisconsin, trymaine lee has been talking to anti-trump protesters in the state. good morning. >> good morning, jose. >> talk to me about the movement. >> here we are at the fair trade coffee house in madison, wisconsin. and as the anti-trump protest movement has grown, a larger, more organized, it's also grown much more diverse with black, white, latino, people of different documentation status. it's also grown in strength. i spoke with one of those protesters. her name is kristen. in her work and in her life, she represents that diversity. she's a white woman, queer white woman, married to a black wife with biracial children. but she also works for a group called showing up for racial justice. they work to get white folks off the sidelines and kind of confront white racism where they live. i spoke with her. let's take a bit of sound from her story. >> i woke up at 4:00 a.m. one day terrified, like in a
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subconscious way, and i was trying to figure out if it was premonition of something that would happen or just fear. like tanya and i had a serious conversation, okay, do we have life insurance. if i have killed, do you have a legal relationship with our kids. when i was wrestling with is something bad going to happen or is this just fear, my resolution is it doesn't matter either way because i know i'm going to act. i do want to live, and i'm glad i'm alive and nothing horrible happened, but it was definitely, i was scared. >> jose, she talked about that moment with her young baby who is still breast feeding at home while she's in a jail cell. she said she was committed. that was earlier this week in janesville. she locked armed with six other protesters. police had to saw through pvc piping to unlock the protesters and they were arrested. she said she's committed to the cause and what donald trump represents is an affront to her
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sensibility and her politics, but there's fear of the world her might inherit in a world where trump is president. >> trymaine lee, thank you. good to see you. apraeshate your time. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. thank you for the privilege of your time. i'll see you tomorrow on nbc nightly news. tamron hall picks up our coverage next on msnbc. our cosmetics line was a hit. the orders were rushing in. i could feel our deadlines racing towards us. we didn't need a loan. we needed short-term funding fast.
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good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall coming to you live from our msnbc election headquarters in new york. we begin with donald trump trying to get his campaign back on track after a week of controversy. but new polls out just this morning are pointing to more trouble for the gop front-runner. down to just four days before the wisconsin primary, and likely his last chance to averta contested convention, trump
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continues to trail senator ted cruz by as much as ten points in the badger state. national polls, they also show the bottom could be dropping out. trump will be in wisconsin this weekend looking to regain his footing after spending four hours yesterday huddling with his foreign policy advisers. that followed by a meeting with the rnc and chairman reince priebus to talk about convention rules and delegates, which trump described as a, quote, unity meeting. on top of their meetings, trump and his team were also doing damage control after his widely condemned comments on abortion. in an interview on fox news last night, trump seemed to suggest his comments were taken out of context. >> now, we know you have since clarified your point in written statements. >> you really had to hear the whole thing. this was a long, convoluted question, a long discussion. they caught it

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