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bernie from the block. sanders gaining ground, growing mega crowds in the guy from brooklyn. >> i'm glad for support. our guy, voting for brooklyn. bk, where you at? it's brooklyn in the house. >> thank you, south bronx. >> firing back as the race tightens. hillary clinton is showing the strain. >> i'm sick of sanders campaign lying about me. i'm sick of it. >> donald trump's horrible week. can he get back in wisconsin or will the stop trump movement gain steam? >> i think wisconsin is the
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state where the trump train derails. the entire narrative that he's a winner, he's a winner and immune to backlash for the things he says and does, i think that's broken here in wisconsin. >> good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. hillary clinton can't seem to shake bernie sanders. dragged back into a primary battle with hope in the rearview mirror. the democratic front-runner is holding an event in syracuse. we'll keep our eye on it. f bernie sanders, it's business as usual. rally in the south bronx and record $44 million fund raising month. joining me now, nbc's kristen welker covering clinton and kasie hunt with the campaign and
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the republican race and first to you in syracuse. >> reporter: andrea, this race is heating up. and i think one thing to point out, we've seen secretary clinton really focusing on donald trump in recent days. that changed yesterday. yesterday, she focused on donald trump but also, equally, on senator sanders and underscores that despite her big delegate lead in this race, she is clearly feeling the heat taking sharp aim at him again making the argument that his policies are impractical and she was cop fro confronted by that green peace protester, the footage you just played. accused her of taking money from fossil fuel companies. she pushed back saying that's not the case and fact checkers determined that's not precise. it's more accurate to say she's taken money from some
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individuals and quite frankly, so has senator sanders. but that aside, we're seeing this testiness from secretary clinton and that was borne out from sanders protesters on the trail in purchase, new york. take a look at that exchange, andrea. >> from the time he started doing polls, when asked, do you think things would be better, they've always said yes. >> we win, we lose. >> i know the bernie people came to say that. we're very sorry you're leaving. as they're leaving, i want to say i have earned 9 million votes in this election already. i have 1 million more votes than donald trump and i have two and a half more million votes than bernie sanders. >> the polls show that bernie
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sanders is poised to win wisconsin which will vote this tuesday and secretary clinton's 20 point lead here in new york has narrowed to a 12 point lead. the clinton campaign really wants to hold on to new york. she served two terms as senator. senator sanders was born in new york. so it's going to be a big battleground state but the clinton campaign doesn't feel they can afford to lose here. that's one of the reasons you see her aim sights on senator sanders. for her, she'll announce a $10 billion manufacturing initiative here in syracuse, an issue that matters for voters in upstate new york. they slammed senator sanders for record on guns saying secretary clinton is the stronger candidate to take on the nra. this is a preview of what we are going to see here in battleground, new york. >> thank you, kristen welker, and kasie hunt with bernie sanders. he has figured out how to get
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under hillary clinton's skin. >> it sure seems that way, andrea. and that flash of irritation clearly showing us a little bit of a glimpse of how she really feels in running against him. he has steered away from the attacks and for example, he's focused more on these issues ba -based attacks and possibly a borderline place, but clearly, it's pretty incredible to have a candidate who is losing by many metrics, losing the pledge delegate count and the number of votes, be able to stay in a race like this. if you think about it, everyone else run out of money and dropped out. he's rewritten these rules, drawing these crowds and especially in fund raising, he of course, is able to keep pace
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with her. the fund raising juggernaut, raised more money in march than at all. these supporters taking it as something of a challenge right, saying he's not losing. we're going to prove he's not losing by giving him this money. his challenge is going to be winning over minority voters in some of the big northeastern states coming up after wisconsin and after new york. but if you do look at new york, he held that 18,000 plus person rally in the bronx last night. sort of a carnival atmosphere out there. people were waiting for hours in line, crowding in on to a baseball field behind the main event. some people were frustrated that they couldn't get in. one of the more diverse crowds we've seen at a sanders rally but heavily latino crowd, for example, and sanders is clearly focused on trying to win over younger voters, particularly young minority voters. his campaign tweeted a photo of him earlier today wearing a pair
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of beats headphones on hot 97. i'm not quite cool enough to completely understand this, but i'm told this is definitely the way to reach out to younger minority communities here in new york city, andrea. >> kasie, you are plenty cool. >> i'm not a new yorker, at the very least. >> thank you very much. and kelly o'donnell is in one of my favorite places in the world. hershey, pennsylvania, because the whole town smells of chocolate and you're there with john kasich today. >> reporter: we actually have news. we did a short q and a after john kasich completed his town hall this. the news is this. there's an outside super pac with the nickname given to senator ted cruz. lying ted. you've heard that. this uses that and the ad is
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called nose with a pinocchio effect and accusing ted cruz not being truthful and descriptive. governor kasich said he does not like the word lying. has told his own campaign which he has control over to not be using that and send a message that he doesn't like it. he likes them to take it down. he doesn't have control to do that because they're separate and that ad might be effective for him but he's trying to remain on the more constructive not name-calling side of this. at the same time, he's also a bit sharper today in his criticism of ted cruz saying he's not accomplished anything in washington except a government shutdown. so he's willing to be more critical, but he doesn't want some of the more colorful, programs even ugly phrases and names that has been so much a part of this gop race.
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the news is that he doesn't like the ad, wishes they would take it down but doesn't have direct control over that. >> kelly o'donnell. well, chuck todd, msnbc political director. moderator of "meet the press" and the 9:00 hour. what an hour you had today. all over the place. i wanted to play you with ben carson. i want your read as to what that was about. you asked ben carson about it today. >> i think they think they're fair. but no, i don't think so. i think they try to pick and choose who the candidate should be, and, you know, they focus the attention and help certain people. other people, they try to ignore. >> are you concerned if donald trump doesn't get in the first ballot, the rnc will do whatever it takes to stop him? >> i think they will be thinking that way.
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>> so ben carson is a surrogate now and so is donald trump, but sort of throwing shade on the rnc already in advance of what they now anticipate is going to be quite a fight. >> i think this is a concerted effort. you know, the complaining about our coverage and the rest. this is a case of making the rnc, a spokesperson, make them feel uncomfortable. you know, so that they, if they are at all tempted or whatever, the forces in many ways feel compelled to accidentally go out of their way to help trump. i think that's what's going on here. there's not a lot of love lost, i think, between those folks that run the rnc. why? because they are the establishment in one frame or another and their job is to win elections. their concern that trump might not be able to win. i think that's what's going on
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here. but i do think a bit of yesterday was a tutorial on how this delegates selection works and the rules work. we don't know what the rules will be for this convention. it's something that bader ginsburg rules and sort of legal ra ranging. the rules in place right now are for the last convention. they will get changed. >> we have to go a week early to cleveland. that's when the rules are set for the convention. >> right. and trump is learning it more and more and his folks are behind it. >> how much do you think critical mass may have been reached this week with the way he exacerbated his problem with women voters, certainly, and also, on national security issues? >> privately, as you, it's hard to find a republican that wants
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donald trump as the nominee. there's a lot of them though, that are not ready to say that publicly, not ready to do this publicly or criticize publicly. what happened this week, he's making it easier and easier. for folks sitting there, who could be talked into sort of saying, fine, i guess we'll let him have the nomination or comfortable with the idea of taking it away, but they're looking for a sign that voters are starting to reject trump to feel more comfortable to do this. and that's what makes this week so precarious for trump because if it essentially ends with a loss in wisconsin. and a significant loss. something in that high single digits, double digits range. there's reinforcement for these silent group of republicans who don't want trump and afraid to confront him. the voters start to reject him in a place like wisconsin and now maybe we can be more comfortable rejecting him. that's what trump will worry about. >> the best thing going for him is that they are so fearful and
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resistant to ted cruz. >> that, and there's a fear of you go after trump, trump could come after you and that has worked. there's a reason some super pacs anti-trump are struggling to fund raise because some see for instance, what he did to the rickets family and went public after them. some donors, they can't be bothered with it. i don't want to pick a public fight with donald trump. >> let's talk about the democrats briefly because it seems clear from the schedule alone that the clintons think they're not going to win wisconsin and going back here tomorrow but she is trying to either preserve her hold on new york or run up the margin in new york but bernie sanders is drawing the big crowds. >> the concern is that they can accept losing wisconsin. it's a state they've lost before. barack obama won it big.
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i think they fear he's getting too big and it's striking and has reverberations to new york. part of their new york firewall strategy is to limit the damage in wisconsin. >> great to see you. thanks so much. and tune in to msnbc for "meet the press" moderated by chuck todd and "the daily." coming up, madmen. can nuclear weapons be kept out of the hands of isis? the president's urgent warning coming up on "andrea mitchell reports" right here on msnbc. ♪ ♪
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al qaeda has long solved nuclear materials. a manager who works at a belgian nuclear facility. isil has already used chemical weapons including mustard gas in syria and iraq. no doubt if these madmen ever got their hands on a nuclear bomb or nuclear material, they'd most certainly use it to kill as many innocent people as possible. >> president obama delivering an urgent message about the possibility isis are going after nuclear material to build a dirty bomb. going to john hopkins school of international studies and senior advisor. this is clearly much more urgent after brussels. what can actually be accomplished at the summit with russia boycotting it? >> i think what can be accomplished is to put the issue on the table and create some
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kind of a coordination between intelligence agencies on the principle, the actors and even russia at the summit, could help in this regard but the summit itself was really built to bring about a new kind of procedural structure for managing, existing nuclear programs and that is not really tailor made for dealing with terrorism. >> and so this is a rather high profile way of trying to shed light on something that's obviously very urgent. but they don't really have anything in place to deal with it. one of the other issues that's arisen is turkey. the president rebuffing him. he apparently was very concerned and one of the reasons he's been rebuffed is the crackdowns in turkey, the human rights abuses as well. we saw this outside but there
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were crackdowns by turkish security men reportedly going after turkish well known established journalists who came to here, let me read some questions since this was on american soil. how do you deal with that? >> the president in a recent interview with jeff goldberg said he has concerns about turkey and where it's going. he came to the u.s. with the hope to sort of recur his image and importance to nato and the u.s. and try to get his point across about how to deal with syria. but it's all become about authoritarian issues in turkey and the way his security guards managed the brookings event and has gone badly for him. i think he came across as too heavy handed. as being intolerant of journalists and criticism and he was hoping to suggest his
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opposition, the kurdish opposition were terrorists and that he was engaged in a counterterror effort. he's handling opposition and it's not been a good trip of him. >> i've seen reporting of it. i assume that participants are supposed to speak to it, but you wouldn't disagree with those characterizations? he was angry at president obama? >> reporter: i think that's overstated. i think what he basically said is he disagrees with the u.s. policy of arming kurdish forces and in syria as an effective anti-isis force, these kurdish forces were a problem for turkey and turkey should be treated as the more important ally rather than the kurds being treated as the more important ally. this is a well known between the
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obama administration and turkey with syria. he came to washington essentially trying to change american policy on syria. and trying to assert forcefully that turkey has some uncompromising positions here, but again, the trip didn't become about syria or about american policy on syria. the trip became about his handling of his opposition in turkey. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. and tonight, make sure to tune in to msnbc at 10:00 eastern for isis and the internet. a look at fighting terror online with lawrence o'donnell. coming up, trump's terrible, horrible, no, good, very bad week. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." how was your commute? good. yours? good. xerox real time analytics make transit systems run more smoothly... and morning chitchat... less interesting. transportation can work better.
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that, of course, a pro-trump pac trying to counter the string of missteps to cause women from national polls. i'm joined by david for the senior editor of the atlantic and a former george w. bush speech writer. will that kind of, we don't know whether that kind of ad will work, but the exodus of women support from donald trump according to all the polls is pretty dramatic. >> it's pretty dramatic. women for the larger part of the electorate. there's a joke that donald trump can offset their negative votes by winning 110% of the male vote. that's a high bar. but this is accumulating and it's not just about one week's
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missteps or misstatements. donald trump has presented a package of himself as a risky choice and he's responding to it this week by escalating the risk, went to the republican national committee by delivering a pretty clear threat. if i'm denied this nomination, i will burn this party down. >> and that's your reporting. that is what you've heard. you don't have to report it. when he went through his pledge 48 hours before going to go see the republican national committee, his pledge to support the women. what he was saying if i'm not the winner, i'm going to be a third fact in this election. there's a lot of ways he could do that. he could be a celebrity guest star on television. or he could get the ballot line in one of the smaller parties, the constitution party. they'd be happy to have this check and got ballot lines in every state. run with them. and just commit havoc on the republican brand. >> what does the republican
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party do? he said if i have more delegates, even if i don't hit the magic number, those aren't the rules. and he's trying to, as chuck todd was saying earlier, work the ref, arguing that the rules aren't the rules. whoever has the most delegates going in should automatically happen, despite what happens on the first ballot. >> it's not about working the ref but presenting people with a threat that i will not go quietly. you will not see the back of me. if i don't get my way. and the choice of the republican party may be heading toward is nominate donald trump and lose badly. or don't nominate donald trump and see the whole election process ripped to pieces with a potential loss of the house and senate as well as the presidency. >> one of the reasons why donald trump was, you know, pilloried after the chris matthews interview of what he said about abortion. john kasich, ted cruz, as well as hillary clinton and bernie sanders to differing degrees
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criticized him for saying women who have abortions should be punished. rachel maddow did a segment last night pointing out ted cruz and the faith leaders he's worked with closely at an event this week have the same position. that women should pay a penalty. that certainly is what the ted cruz supporters and others on the right movement. >> the most alarming element of that donald trump statement was not the -- it's argument for more than four decades. it's not given a second thought and confronted with a question, just waited. no idea as he did again and again. one of the reasons you have political parties is no nominee for any office can know all the things you need to know to be a good candidate or have views on everything. many people have run for president and been successful without clear views on agriculture and highways. the party structure exists so
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large numbers of people can come to a consensus on what they want the government to do. it's bigger than any one person. this man is running to be the leader of the party and making it up. he could not be bothered to say i am pro-life or pro choice. hear what the people worked out this position over 40 years say is the usual formula to indicate you agree with him. >> david, thank you so much. >> thank you. and coming up, the backlash for america's most famous brand names use economic clout to roll back anti-lgbt state laws in the south. chad griffin is next. you're watching msnbc. it takes a lot of work... to run this business. i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle.
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based on their religious beliefs. they're kag calling the mississippi bill more damaging than the new north carolina law that blocks local governments from passing anti-discrimination rules. joining me is chad griffin, president of the human rights campaign just back from north carolina. i think you met with the governor there who signed that law, georgia did not. a similar or related bill. what is going on here? is this the next big front for the human rights campaign? >> there's no question, andrea. what we have seen after the historic win at the united states supreme court and quite frankly the outpouring of bipartisan support for lgbt issues around this country amongst the american public, you have some of the most right-wing hate mongers in this country desperately looking for ways to roll back our progress, roll back our rights. by the way, not so unlike the civil rights movement of the 50s and 6 o's. we had governors and legislators doing very similar things,
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attempting to disguise discrimination in the realm of religious freedom or liberty or the other hateful ways. and we just seen that in mississippi as you say. and the business support coming out and opposing and calling on the governor to veto that bill. governor bryant in mississippi. you had dow chemical and toyota and nissan, tyson foods calling the governor to veto that hateful bill. and then as you mentioned in north carolina, the governor, unlike my republican colleagues around the country, instead of vetoing that hateful legislation, he signed it and he has tarnished the reputation of the state of north carolina and we have seen a historic number of businesses, never in the history of our movement have we seen more than 100 of the top companies, the job creators in this country call on the governor to repeal this legislation. governor mccorey and governor bryant, sorry, governor mccorey and senate leader berger in north carolina passed the most
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hateful pieces of legislation that we've ever seen. they have the opportunity to do the right thing when they come back into session in april. the pressure is on them. the spotlight is on them. the business community is watching them. the ncaa and the nba have said they will reconsider locating any future tournaments in that state unless they recall and repeal that hateful and discriminatory bill. >> it strikes me that is the big difference between now and in the '60s. not only is there a supreme court ruling and there is more legal power around the country, but you got the business community involved. and that is a very big weapon. >> there's no question about that, andrea. i have to tell you, it's -- the business community is there because, one sh it's morally the right thing to do. and it's also good for business. ceos want their employees to be protected where they work. ceos don't want their employees and customers to be directly and intentionally discriminated against as this legislation in both mississippi would do and
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the legislation in north carolina does. you've already seen one pharmaceutical company saying they're reconsidering a $20 million investment in the state of north carolina. if they don't fix this in april, north carolina's going to quickly start losing investment, jobs, ceos are not going to bring new facilities to that state. you're going to see tournaments like the ncaa and nba never go there again. and you're going to see perhaps federal funding losses in the state. billions of federal funds are at stake unless they fix this harmful piece of legislation. >> chad griffin, the head of the human rights campaign, thank you. and after 70 years sh the city of philadelphia is officially apologizing to jackie robinson for the racism effaced in 1947. he was refused service at a hotel there and taunlted by the phillies manager all portrayed in the great 2013 film "42."
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i agree with that. >> who wouldn't? hillary clinton and a small business owner moments ago in syracuse. she is wearing orange for syracuse. obviously a local sports color. joining me now for our daily fix, our msnbc contributor and "washington post" political correspondent ann girin. you've been traching hiking hil clinton throughout. why is she having trouble putting sanders away? >> the fund-raising numbers from yesterday are a big part of the story. he's raising more money and doing it in exactly the way that she is not. small donors, lots of them, online which sort of indicates a widespread level of enthusiasm and commitment on the part of his donors that she hasn't been able to match. and that carries over into the way he's campaigning. and he's annoying her. i mean, he -- she clearly had,
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you know, let the greenpeace activists get to her yesterday. and that is emblematic of the fact that she and her campaign are annoyed and that they can't put him away. and they can't put him away. they got -- it will be all the way through the new york primary and after that. >> and, chris, even though she says she anticipated this happening, they are as surprised as everyone is by his fund-raising appeal and drawing crowds, 18,000 people to the south bronx alone last night. >> yeah. i mean, i think it's a little bit of revisionist history to say they expected it. and that shouldn't really surprise anyone because no one expected this. if donald trump wasn't the republican front-runner, we would be talking a lot more, i think, about this amazing things that happening with bernie sanders. what is hard is this, andrea, and frustrating for the clinton campaign. it is pretty clear from a delegate perspective that she is
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very likely to be the nominee. at the same time as you and ann mentioned, bernie sanders is raising huge amounts of money and winning states. he's not winning them by the margins he's going to need. to we'll see what happens in wisconsin and in new york. but you can't push someone to get out of a race where they continue to win not small states like washington, maybe if he wins wisconsin and where they have plenty of money and there's still lots and lots and lots of people showing up to hear his message. so they're cutting this very tough back and forth with him i think. >> ann, how worried should she be about losing new york? >> she should be a little worried about losing new york. she should worry about being embarrassed in new york even if she wins. this is the state she represented for eight years. she and former president clinton have called it home for nearly 20 years. it is a place that she has said many times she feels comfortable
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and that she is a new yorker. if she barely squeaks through, it will, obviously, be a huge shot in the arm for the sanders campaign. and it will mean that it will take much longer, probably still mean she's the nominee. but it means she's got to grind it out for several more weeks. they are really, really betting the farm on new york. they're investing roughly three weeks of campaigning there. the way they would have done in the very early states lukeike a south carolina, for example. there hasn't been another one since then where she spent repeat weeks o for a number of weeks running. >> she really seized on the way bernie sanders responded to r h rachel maddow after the donald trump abortion comments to chris matthews. seizing on it because despite his pro-choice record, she thought he was minimizing the
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importance of it. i want to play clinton's reaction. >> sure. >> senator sanders agreed that donald trump's comments were shameful, but then he said, they were a distraction from and i quote, "a serious discussion about the serious issues facing america." to me this is a serious issue. and it is a very serious discussion. look, i know -- i know senator sanders supports a woman's right to choose. i also know planned parenthood action fund and they endorsed me because i have led on this issue. i have fought on this issue. >> chris, does sanders have a problem where he sounds too much like a one note candidate? >> right. well that's certainly what the clinton campaign is trying to drive here. and they've been pushing that, andrea, for quite some time which is, you know, after paris, for example, he gave a very short response and then quickly
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pivoted to, you know, milli millionaires and billionaires and economic inequality. that message reaches for a certain group of people. but what we have shown and learned in this primary and caucus is that's not enough people. the thing to always keep in mind, it's not about winning states. it's about winning delegates. this is literally the reverse of the hillary clin situation of 2008 in which she kept saying she won ohio. she won texas sort of very complicated delegate allocation there. but she won all of these states. and, yet, and yet, and yet by the end of february, barack obama had effectively won the nomination because he won caucuses by huge amounts. hillary clinton is the barack obama candidate this time around which losing races, not finishing as strong as she would like. to but stwill with a grip on things that matter the most, the delegate lead. >> thank you so much. it's all about new york. and coming up, the delegate
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we talk a lot about the democratic super delegates. on the republican side, what about the posimportance of the unbound delegates, the role they could play if donald trump does not reach the magic number? joining me with all on this, jacob soberoff in ripon, wisconsin. >> close enough. and here i'm actually where people are voting early. they've signed up, they've come in to drop off the absentee ballots. they can cast early ballots over here. just two dirve pollifferent pol
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stations. every single vote here counts. but it turns out when you look at the unbound delegates, there are around 200 people in republican party that have essentially superpowers, the republican version of super delegates in a sense. you start to think about that idea of one person, one vote differently as i found out when i looked into this. take a look. it turns out that after months of primaries and caucuses and record turnout with millions of people picking their choice for the next president, a group of less than 200 americans known as unbound delegates could tip the scales of the republican party's political convention this july and that makes them some of the most powerful people in all of american politics. so what are unbound delegates? do you know what an unbound delegate is? >> no. >> no idea. >> reporter: none? >> no. >> reporter: not even a little? >> no. >> reporter: starts with a c and ends with a date. >> candidate. >> somebody who doesn't have to vote for a person that their
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district designates them for. >> reporter: they each make their own rules when it come to allocating the delegates sent to the national convention. in a handful of them including north dakota, colorado, pennsylvania and wyoming don't require some or even all of the delegates to support the winner of the popular vote. bottom line, these delegates are unbound from what voters say and they can make up their own minds. i know what you're thinking. why should we care? >> can't do anything about it for this election, can i? >> reporter: no. >> so, no, i don't care. >> reporter: all right. schooled. i got schooled. >> democracy works when the mass people like decide what they choose and what they want. and if we got people representing us who aren't voting the same way we are, it causes a couple problems. >> reporter: here's why. if you define democracy as voters picking a winner, then this is pretty undemocratic. so if no candidate hits the magic delegate number of 1,237,
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the presidential pick of this small group of people becomes as important as the popular vote. so who are the people? >> i don't know any off hand. with full certainty. i don't know any of them. >> reporter: a few of them are like curly haugland gets to be a unbound delegate. there are lots more that come into play as state parties hold conventions to elect the rest of the folks. >> i'm going to find them for you. >> thank you. you do your best. >> reporter: and that's my n mission. i'm becoming a delegate hunter. hitting the road to track down and speak to some of the extremely powerful americans whose vote could now matter a lot more than you think it does. whether you like it or not. so,andrea, every vote counts.
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i'm about to hop in the car. i'm going to head to north dakota first, colorado after that. wyoming also has unbound delegates and pennsylvania as well. so we're going to be tracking down these individuals to see what they have to say about their influence. >> now at this point, are cruz and trump campaigns and kasich going after them as well? are they in hot pursuit to line them up to win them over? >> yeah. in all fairness to the campaigns, they were delegate hunters before i was, andrea. in particular the donald trump campaign. we've done extensive reporting on this about how donald trump can wrap up these unbound delegates on the first ballot and actually gets to the 1,237 on the first ballot. all of the delegates at the convention this july will not become unbound on a second ballot where it becomes essentially a free for all. so you're right. they are all after these unbound delegates right now. >> well, safe travels to north dakota and on. thank you so much. great to see you.
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