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>> it has different feelings, different people. i would say no. >> they're usually involved. >> usually involved. you can also watch entire block on our website any time you want. hardball.msnbc.com. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in." >> a fresh face might be the thing that can give us chance to turn this election and win in november against hillary. >> the gop's suddenly not so secret plot to stop trump. >> there will be a lot of acrimony from the people seeking the nomination. >> will the republican establishment try to go back to the future. then, new signs that candidate sanders is here to stay. >> thank you, south bronx. >> as clinton's frustration is on display. >> i am so sick of the sanders campaign lying about me. i'm sick of it.
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>> the author of the new jim cr crow. the really good news about the economy you probably haven't heard and why this is a landmark day for this program. when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hays. a remarkable symbol of this bizarreo world police season at an international nuclear security summit hosted by president obama where the biggest wild card might be the republican presidential front-runner. during a press conference in the last hour, the president was asked about donald trump's recent comments on letting more country's get nuclear weapons and refusing to rule out nuking europe. the president said he's had to reassure america's allies. >> they tell us the person who made the statements doesn't know much about foreign policy or nuclear policy or the korean peninsula or the world
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generally. it came up on the sidelines. i've said before that people pay attention to american elections. what we do is really important to the rest of the world. >> president went onto describe how the international community depends on the u.s. for seriousness and stability. >> even in those countries that are used to a carnival atmosphere in their own politics want a clarity in u.s. they understand the president wants to know what's going on around the world and has to put in place policies that lead not only to our security and pros r prosperity but will have an impact on everybody else's security and prosperity. >> joining me now co-author of
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its even worse than it was. how the american constitutional system collided with the new politics of extremism. >> it is pretty remarkable having to watch the president convening a nuclear summit to talk about deescalation, nonproliferation, et cetera and having to deal with a leading candidate not taking nuking europe off the table. >> and not giving nuclear weapons to korea and japan which has been an enormous issue since the end of the second world war and korean war. i've been watching presidential politics closely for five decades. i've never seen a candidate, that includes pat paulson, the comedian, with less basic knowledge of foreign policy than donald trump. he could vamp and make it up as he went along for a while but as we've gotten closer focus on
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him, it's starting to blow back. >> does the precariousness with the underlying structural factors you describe in the back the way our constitutional system and the increasing partisan polarization on the right have collided. do people around the world take note of that? >> yes, they do. i found in my discussion with diplomats and travels abroad that what president obama said today is right. people follow american politics more closely during an election campaign than they do other countries. there's a deep concern out there now. it's a concern, i have to say, that transcends the presidential race. there's an acute focus because of trump and cruz to a significant degree. it's also the dysfunction in congress and its relations with the president. the inability to be sure when we make a commitment that we're going to be able to follow
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through. the sense that this really is closer to gridlock than we've had this many decades. that's of concern. let's face it. other countries are going through their own periods of dysfunction including in europe and asia. they want the u.s. to at least be a little more of a rock than we are. >> how close to some really kind of cataclysmic level of dysfunction do you really think we are? >> we have to put this into some context. the economic news has been quite good including a jobs report that shows real incomes are starting to inch up a little bit and more people are coming back into the work force. we're doing better in many ways than the rest of the world. i'm deeply concerned. what i see happening is something i've feared for several years. tom mann and i were pretty much ahead of the curve on this. you have a republican party that's veered off the rails. it is to considerable extent a self-inflicted wound, and they don't know how to get out of it.
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they don't know how to get out of it with the supreme court nomination. they don't know how to get out of it with the budget. paul ryan struggle. they don't know how to get out of a presidential race with mayhem on their hands. it's affecting governance in country. it's a very worrisome time. >> thank you for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> with donald trump's polls hitting new lows. power brokers are considering what had been the stuff of conspiracy whispers, chucking the current candidates and starting over. here was carl rove yesterday. >> if we have somebody who we think has, has been battle tested, and has strong conservative principles and the ability to articulate them, and they are no, ma'am mated at this convention, there will be a lot of acrimony from the people seeking the nomination.
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donald trump excites a lot of enthusiasm but he also exexcites a lot of anger within the republican party and outside the republican party. and a fresh face might be the thing that could give us chance to turn this election and win in november against hillary. >> fresh face. keep that phrase in mind. right wing twitter promptly exploded and fox news was up in arms over the idea. >> it's hard for people that have such strongly felt opinions about the other candidates so say i'm going to go for him. >> the only thing that will be harder if someone gets this nomination that's not named trump or cruz. i think it will be a disaster. >> trump supporter ben carson predicted apocalyptic results. >> hopefully between now and then they will understand if they try to undermine the will of the people they will not only have destroyed their party but
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fundamentally change the united states of america. >> now, if trump loses, tuesday's primary in wisconsin, he faces an uphill battle to reach the magic number of 1,237 needed to win the nomination on the first ballot at the republican convention this summer. because trump is significantly trailing in the behind the scenes delegate wrangling and doesn't seem to understand how the nominating process works, it's probably first ballot or bust for donald trump in cleveland. more than 100 of trump's own bound delegates are already poised to break with him if it goes to a second ballot when they're free to vote their conscious. trump and cruz now have a shared interest in making sure they're the only two candidates in the running. you see at the 2012 convention, republicans adopted an obscure rule, 40b, requiring candidates who have received a majority of delegates in eight states to be
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formally submitted for the nomination. it was pushed by team romney in hopes of keeping ron paul out of mix. right now donald trump is the only candidate who meets the rule. they could decide to rewrite it when they meet a week before the convention. four members are eager to scrap it. ted cruz is confident of like wise being able to qualify for that thresholds by july that he's arguing, along with trump's people, that rule 40 b should be left in place ensuring that he and trump are the only eligible candidates. >> i think that would be a terrible idea for the washington power brokers to change the rules because they're unhappy with the candidates who the voters are voting for. they want to change the rules to try try to parachute in candidate who hasn't earned the votes of the people. that is nothing short of crazy. >> it would pave the way for carl rove's fresh face to pave
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theservants. we should put the conference first. there's something said for us to unite. we probably need a fresh face. >> that was kevin mccarthy dropping out of race for speaker after john boehner announced retirement. the fresh face was paul ryan. you may recall that when ryan's name was first floated, he and his office repeatedly shot down the idea. >> are you running for speaker? >> no. >> why not? >> i don't want to be speaker. >> my statement stands. i haven't changed anything. >> we all know how that one turned out. now with the gop on the market for a white knight once again, ryan insists it will not be him. someone might want to tell the speaker that betting markets rate him as the fourth likely to win the nomination right behind the three candidates running for president. joining me now is conservative
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columnist and ken blackwell to the anti-trump our principles pac. how concerned are you about essentially a plot at the convention to install someone like a paul ryan? >> i'm not all that concerned about it actually happening because i'm confident mr. trump will win the 1237 in the nomination out right. that said, i think we've always suspected these kind of power plays and plans were going on. you know that carl rove and his lot are planning to, as cruz said, parachute in mitt romney who has so desperately after all these years still wants the nomination even though he's wildly unpopular and the other option is paul ryan whose biggest platform has been open borders and amnesty. you couldn't be at bigger odds with the base that's shown this year that's our biggest issue. you have the two candidates that are nothing more than than the antist sis of what the base
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wants. the fresh face is donald trump. for the establishment to think they could go something akin to the super bowl, you ever the patriots and the giants, they don't score x amount of points, let's scrap everything and give the trophy to the miami dolph s dolphins. that's what they're talking about doing here. if the top two don't reach a certain thresholds, let's start over. it's absurd. the people will not stand for it. not one bit. >> mr. blackwell, josh marshal said elections are more about legitimacy than the rules. it is true. is there a real legitimacy if the person who arrives in cleveland with the most amount of delegates doesn't end up being the nominee? >> i think it's going to be a contested primary. let me say to a.j., i think what we're watching is folks letting some of the air out of trump
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tire. he has an inflated ego. he has an inflated net worth and exaggerated financial independence, and he has an inflated knowledge of world events and apparently, the republican flplatform. he would not been in trouble with chris matthews if he said i embrace the republican platform of 2012. the reality is i don't believe he's ready. he's not been a republican for a very long time. he is not a conservative. i think the shake out of a contested primary will produce a winner from the two contesting front runners in this process. it happens to be cruz or mr. trump. i don't think he's going to be able to last. i don't think he's going to be
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able to last. >> let me follow up with you mr. blackwell. someone you say hasn't been a republican and doesn't know what he's talking about, according do you. he has a new comment about abortion that seems to make him sound pro-choice. that's the man who is kicked the butts of about 14 other candidates from the republican party, including numerous sitting governors and all sorts of other folks? >> i think the reason that ted cruz and donald trump have emerged as the front runners is because folks are frustrated with the inabilities of republican majorities in the house and the senate to deliver on their campaign promises and the agenda and platform that they embrace in 2012 and 2014. it created an opening. clear and simple. >> a.j., i want to ask you about the polling numbers. the headline today in the l.a. times is donald trump is on
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track to be the least popular politician in 30 years. he's hugely under water with women and with white men and millennials. should it not concern you, trump supporters and the republican party, to inherit a nominee that's so wildly unpop yunpopul. >> you know those poll numbers can be twisted. the polls that count are the ones of the primaries that's happened. for instance, you have the so-called polls showing donald trump is unpopular with women when it's not true. look at the primaries that's occurred. he's won the female vote. he doesn't have a problem -- >> he's won them among the relatively small part of the electorate that shows up for the p primaries. >> once you decide between hillary and bernie and we decide
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between trump and cruz and then we with look once the american public has poll question of who do you like between trump. >> you're not concerned by numbers? >> no, not at all. i think he's doing great. look at the national polling. look at the different demographics. he's fine right now on track for nomination and then once him or hillary or him versus bernie, then the polls can make since. it's silly to look at national head to head polling. we don't know who they will be yet. it's silly hypothetical. >> mr. blackwell, let me ask you about it will be cruz or trump. do you hope to see the rules left in place that will make it impossible for the carl rove fresh face scenario, the paul ryan to ride in. do you think it will be illegitimate? >> it should be one of those
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two. let me puncture the balloon. paul ryan is a friend of mine, but paul ryan isn't a fresh face. he's a veteran of washington and inside the beltway. >> that is true. he's freshly shaved. the only reason we were playing paul ryan fan fiction. we were looking at his spokesperson denials about the speakership where he said it's not going to happen. you are crazy. this is ridiculous. a week later he's the speaker. you never know. thank you both. >> thank you. coming up, as wisconsin residents head to the polls on tuesday, a new voter id law would block 300,000 people from casting ballots. we'll discuss scott walker's solution to a problem that never existed. frustration from hillary clinton boils over on the trail. >> i'm so sick of the sanders campaign lying about me. i'm sick of it. no tickets. no accidents. that is until one of you clips a food truck,
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working for the oil, gas and coal industry. >> tonight bernie sanders is escalating a dispute with hillary clinton. another sign his campaign shows no indications of letting up on the former secretary of state even though she has a pledge delegate lead that's mathematically difficult for sanders to overcome. the senator from vermont is leading in wisconsin, and his campaign just raised a truly astonishing $44 million this march alone. the enthusiasm for his candidacy showing no signs of letting up. he avoiding mentioning donald
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trump but focused on clinton and how she funds her campaign. clinton was questioned at another event. >> i have money from people who work for fossil fuel. i'm so sick of the sanders campaign lying about me. i'm sick of pit. >> clinton world shot back with a statement saying we will not apologize for calling out these kinds of schemes for what that are, a desperate move for campaign that have decided a vote for victory is through misleading attacks. michelle, it seems the clinton folks are in an interesting spot here because at one level i think the people will tell you this is the way the system works, and we want to win and the way we win is raise money from all sorts of people. >> that's the center or the gist of the attacks on her from the left is she partakes of the
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system as it is and accepts the status quo and feels like she has to maneuver within it. saying this is how things work, we raise money from all sorts of people. that is her argument but it's not a particularly winning political argument. one of the people that she's being tarred for him raising money for her super pac is tony pedesta. the brother of the chairman of her campaign. so he's a lobbyist. he has a lot of different clients. i think it's laft l -- little misleading. it could be coming because he does represent so many people. >> all sorts of industries. >> some sinister, some not. it's not a defense. it's a hard thing to parse. i think what's coming from sanders is misleading. it's misleading but very difficult to defend against.
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>> no industries giving hard money donations to anyone because that's illegal. >> no company. >> we're talking about people that work for different industries. there's two categories. it could be like i'm an oil engineer or could be exxon executives get together and they all write checks. those things both happen. they show up in the recordings as like you got money from this industry. bernie sanders is $50,000 from the oil, gas industry. those are two different phenomenon and when we're talking about lobbying bundling, that's when we're talking about a nexus of influence that's problematic. >> the oil and gas industry is among the most partisan industries in the country. it's the hollywood of the right. it's almost all money at the federal level to republicans. democratic candidates for president are not big favorites of oil and gas. >> clinton raised over 300,000
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from the fossil fuel industry. he's raised 21 million from securities investment just to give people a sense of the scale. >> the corporate pacs that raise money and give it to candidates are also not giving a lot of money to these two candidates. he's not relying on it at all. that's the power of his critique. she made the decision to accept money from lobbyists. they decided that the optics or the messaging problem or the visibility problem was fine and the money was better. this is what happens. >> when it comes to optics, hillary clinton refused to sign a campaign pledge not to take money from fossil fuel. >> this is what greenpeace was pushing for and oadvocating.
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>> bernie sanders signed the pledge. both of them took money from the fossil fuel industry and this is story about hillary clinton's shadiness and dishonesty. if hillary clinton had signed the pledge and taken money, even less money, this would be a story about how you can't trust anything what hillary clinton says. >> just to be clear, when we say they took money, you can look it up by industry. there's $50,000 in industry for bernie sanders. those are coming from what hillary clinton said workers. people that happen to work for this industry. >> we're talking about to her campaign as opposed to the super pacs. you're also talking about $300,000. it's not nothing but that's not a huge amount of money in the context of the money they're throwing around here. >> in my particular case, said
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undue inflnce doesn't exist which is position she has to argue. >> she says her hands are clean. it's hard to take both sides. >> including the president who she points to and says he passed a wall street reform bill to the banks. it's not impossible. >> it's the neat privilege of e bernie sanders relying on it. >> not the hidden story. they raised 44 million dollar. they're not going anywhere and the small dollar donors you can go back to again and again. thanks for being here. pree appreciate it. what he said about the unemployment rate might take the cake. that's ahead.
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let's send a very strong message to governor walker. let's show governor walker that his voter suppression efforts will not work. >> ahead of the wisconsin primary on tuesday, bernie sanders has repeatedly criticized wisconsin governor scott walker for voter suppression efforts for signing a law requiring voters in state to show photo identification when they go to the polls. >> it has never occurred to me, not for one second to try to figure out a way to keep people from voting because they might be voting against me. >> according to scott walker, sanders has it all wrong.
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>> we make it ease y to vote. you have to have the voter id with. we also make it hard to cheat. that's the difference. he should look at the fact. >> a wisconsin federal district court judge ruled the law defenders could not point to a single instance of known voter impersonation occurring in wisconsin at any time in the recent past. not one. and the fact the law could block 300,000 registered voters from the polls. that's 9% of the electorate with voters of color and student voters affected. people are being forced to stand in long lines to cast early ballots. the problem is only expected to be worse on election day. just this morning on the final day of early voting, a statewide voter caused delays in voting. there's reports people couldn't get id cards at the dmv during the outage.
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the id cards they needed to vote. joining me is the author of "give us the ballot." tell me about this wisconsin law. why do you think it's problematic? >> we saw the five-hour lines in arizona. that caught a lot of people by surprise. this is more like a slow building hurricane. we know it's coming but now that it's here it's really bad. 30,000 registered voters don't have a government issues id. black and hispanics are two to three times likely not to have the id. students are impacted. you can't use your student id to vote. >> a student at madison wisconsin or spring green can't use their student id to vote? >> no. >> even though that's a state entity. they know who the person is and where they live? >> you need a signature and a two-year expiration date knowing no student ids had that. they have to print different ids
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for the 43,000 students to be able to vote in this primary and november. >> what do you think is going to happen this fall? you've been covering this for a while. we're now going to one this experiment. we saw a little window in arizona. we're going to have one day in november where we're going to try to run the experiment with all these new laws without the oversight of a certain section of the voting rights act. >> it's going to be much worse in november. 16 states, including crucial battleground states have voting restrictions. turn out will be higher. republicans are going to be trying to disenfranchise democrats in way they're not trying to do now. now republicans have enough trouble within their own party. you look at whether it's donald trump or ted cruz, they're relying on conservative white voters to win. they don't want a large turn out
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from young voters. the very people impacted by laws like wisconsin voter id law. >> this seems one of those cases where it's a pure power play. the argument has been to definitive loss. you could read court filings. in kansas they commissioned a big investigation. they come up with a dozen or five examples. it doesn't seem to matter because it's not really about persuasion. >> this is about power in first place. republicans took power in 2010. they were determined to keep it. this is how they tried to keep power. they didn't keep a single case of voter impersonation. they keep saying it so much that people think it's real. if you look at in wisconsin, it's not just voter id. they have cut early voting on nights and weekends. they've made it harder to register voter. they've made it harder to be a residents. you have to live there a longer
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period of time time. >> do you think we'll see problems on tuesday that might actually, like we saw in arizona, provide some sort of trigger for reform between what happens in the primary and the general? >> we could. the only thing that came out of five-hour lines in arizona, it made everyone wake up that the voting rights was gutted. these are the problems we'll see as a result of this. i hope we don't see be this we've already seen cases. they can't vote on tuesday. it's not a question. they're not showing up on tuesday. other people will show up. they think they will be able to vote. we don't know if they have the right id. there's lots of problems that can be on tuesday and in november. >> that night in arizona, i was watching that footage and said what if this was the state in a contested presidential election that was won in florida by a tiny percentage of the votes or dozens of votes. no one would accept that as a legitimate out come. that's the high stakes
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terrifying thing we might be headed towards. thank you. still ahead, renowned author joins me to explain why she says, quote, hillary clinton doesn't deserve the black vote. don't let dust and allergies get between you and life's beautiful moments. with flonase allergy relief, they wont. most allergy pills only control one inflammatory substance. flonase controls six. and six is greater than one. flonase changes everything.
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business. i'm telling you in a month and a half from now, they will do a readjustment like has been happening for the that's year and a half. the number will be 8.2 or more. it's not a real number either. the real number is between 16 and 21%. if you're looking for a job, they take you out. >> wait until you hear what he's saying this time around now that he's running for president. we'll be back with that in 60 seconds. and hool night. good, clean food pairs well with athing. try the clean pairingsu. at panera. food as it should be. this just got interestg. why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? alis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain,
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unemployment. the run employment rate is probably 20%. you have some great economists will tell you it's 30, 32. the highest i've heard is 42%. the numbers probably 28, 29, as high as 35. in fact, i even heard recently 42%. >> 42%. there are underemployed, discouraged workers and children, elderly. lots of people don't work. it doesn't get up to 42% unless you're counting every single person in america. today job's report showed the economy added 215,000 jobs. the unemployment rate is 5%. this is the longest stretch of private sector job growth in history. 14.4 million private sector jobs added. today is also, i should not, a landmark day for this program. that's next. wonderment of nature.
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i'll tell you what, chris, it really raises the broader question. that is whether we continue to be a carbon based economy. whether we finally recognize if we don't get a handle on greenhouse gas emissions that this planet will be facing disasterous problems in years to come. >> on this day in 2013, bernie sanders was the first guest on a show called "all in" with chris hayes. three years later, he's running for president. we're still here covering the news here in new york and out on the road. we've been reporting on stories around the globe. we were live in paris and brussels. we have traveled thousands of miles across the country reporting from 24 different states ranging from california's historic drought to the struggles of coal miners in kentucky. we were there covering new civil rights movement. from the protests in ferguson, missouri in august 2014 to the unrest in baltimore, maryland in
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2014. we've been to death row in texas. reid has been granted stay of execution by a texas court. we showed you how smart gun technology could train the world. we showed you how police officers are trained to medication the decision to use force. our special on the 50-year war on poverty earned us the only emmy awarded to any cable news show in 2015. that was the run up to the craziest story we've had to cover yet, the 2016 presidential race. we've been there live fact checking a trump rally. follow donald trump to vermont. we've been out on the campaign trail covering campaigns and caucuses. three years later we're here. thanks to the opportunity you have given us by allowing me
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into your homes each weeknight. we're not done yet. on monday we're this wisconsin. up next, my exclusive interview with the author on her explosive article why hillary clinton doesn't deserve the black vote. i take pictures of sunrises. it's my job and it's also my passion. but with my back pain i couldn't sleep... so i couldn't get up in time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a sleep aid
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coasting into the primaries with her current margin of black support if most people knew how much damage they had done. . that was back in february. since then she's not given a television interview talk about her piece. i started off by asking if she's endorsing bernie sanders. >> i'm endorsing the political revolution. i'm reluctant to endorse any candidate in the current political system. i believe we need to think very serio seriously, particularly as folks of colors and progressives about building a new party or movement that can hold the democratic party accountable or provide a meaningful alternative.
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i kuld ncould not be more thrilled with the movement that is rising all over this country to support the creation of a real democracy in the united states. i think bernie sanders is absolutely right to call for a political revolution. we don't have real democracy today. our politicians are pretending to serve two masters. the people who elect them and the people who fund them. unfortunately, for millions of people who cast their vote every year, they rightfully wonder whether their politicians are responding more to the people who fund their campaigns, including large pharmaceutical companies, big banks, payday landers, private prison companies. than the people who have elected them. >> one of the biggest critiques of bernie sanders shortcomings is the fact he's had a hard time
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building a multiracial coalition. his supporters have been overwhelmingly white. his voting performance has opinion disproportionately white. that seems major obstacle if you want to do that. >> that's the critique although his recent land slide victories in hawaii and washington state, states that are, hawaii i think is the most diverse state in the nation. there's been great gains for bernie sanders. i had never heard of bernie sanders before the presidential election campaign. the clintons are well known to black folks in particular. one of the reasons i wrote my piece for the nation is although one side of the clinton story is well known to black folks, the fact that bill clinton was really the first president that ever really embraced black people as human beings.
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when people talk about lots of folks asked me, particularly white folks, asked me why do so many black folks support clinton when he, his policies were so disasterous for the african-american community. i think many people forget that we had centuries of slavery where no politician was responsive to our humanity at all followed by jim crow segregation. although lyndon b. johnson and robert kennedy and john kennedy were allies in some respects, not all respects, with the civil rights movement and african-american communities, there had never been a president or presidential candidate who actually treated black folks like they real people who could be viewed an treated as human beings, who weren't a problem to be solved. that didn't treat
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african-americans as a problem to be solved but would sit down and eat with them and acted like they enjoyed and recognized us as human beings. just as the election of barack obama as the first black president is a huge thing for african-american, it's no small thing for bill clinton to reach out to african-american communities in the way he did. i think many people remember that especially older african-americans remember that. what they don't know, what they don't know or remember and it's one of the reasons why i wrote my book, the new jim crow in first place is that many people of color don't know or fully understand how this system of mass incarceration was constructed, why and the devastating consequences for our communities and the clintons had important role. they escalated the drug war and
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the get tough movement far beyond what the republicans had done, while at the same time s dismantling the federal social safety net and transferring billions of dollars away from welfare and prison. the election of bill clinton marked the turning point for the democratic party where the democratic party decided that in order to win over those so-call white swing voters, the folks defected from the democratic party in the wake of the civil rights movement, in order to get those folks, they're going to have to begin proving to that segment they could be tougher on them than the republicans had been. i think that's a part of our political history that's painful for the black community to face. it's necessary. >> you can watch my entire interview on our website.
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that's "all in" for this evening. we'll be back on monday night in wisconsin. come by and see us. maybe we can take a selfie in good evening, rachel. >> that sounds like an excellent idea. >> i think it will be great. >> maybe i'll see if i can get there. have a great weekend. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. happy friday. in the spring of 2010, on april 27th, in 2010, a really bad thing happened. a very sad thing happened during the morning rush hour on the new york sub way. it was on a g train. the train started in queens that morning and was heading south. it was at the heart of the rush hour. train was full of people. it was traveling at speed and the man who was driving that subway train, that g train, he died. he died at the controls. this

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