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pehello, everyone. every single presidential candidate is in wisconsin today ahead of tuesday's primaries, including donald trump who returns to the campaign trail. hillary clinton and bernie sanders will attend the d m's founders day dinner there. the event comes days after clinton had an exchange with a greenpeace activist during which she accused the sanders campaign of lying about her campaign accepting donations from the fossil fuel industry. sanders called on clinton to apologize in the rally in wisconsin last night. >> 57 oil, gas, and coal industry lobbyists have directly contributed to her campaign with 43 of them contributing the maximum allowed for the primary. and these are not just workers in the fossil fuel industry, these are paid registered lobbyists. secretary clinton, you owe our
campaign an apology. we were telling the truth. >> clinton made no mention of the latest trip during her rally in new york yesterday, but her communications director released this statement. we will not apologize for calling out these kinds of schemes for what they are, a desperate move from a campaign that has clearly decided that the only hope for a path to victory is through misleading attacks. on the republican side, donald trump is once again clarifying his comments on abortion after saying during town hall with msnbc's chris matthews this week that he would punish women who have abortions. here's what he said during an interview that will air on cbs' "face the nation" tomorrow. >> a question was asked to me and it was asked in a very hypothetical. it was said illegal, illegal. i've been told by some people that was an older line answer and that was an answer that was given on the basis of an older line from years ago, very -- on
a very conservative basis. >> meanwhile, republicans in north dakota will reconvene for the second day of the party's convention in fargo. at some point this weekend they will vote on 28 unbound delegates. ted cruz will deliver the key note address at 2:00 p.m. eastern there. cruz and john kasich attended the milwaukee county fish fry last night. cruz along with the governor who endorsed him, scott walker, of course, donald trump sent sarah palin to speak on his behalf. nbc's kerry sanders is in racine, wisconsin. you're up and at them for us. what do we expect to hear from donald trump today? >> i think that we're probably going to hear him talk again about abortion. let's go through the questions and the answers that he's given. first of all, as you noted in the interview with chris matthews he said that if a woman participated in illegal abortion that she should face some sort of punishment. then on friday donald trump said
that the current laws concerning abortion should remain intact but then in an sfwinterview wit cbs "face the nation" he says he sees abortion as murder. and then his spokeswoman made a clarification saying that he meant to say that the law should remain intact only until he becomes president. and so you see this shifting line back and forth on a very contentious issue in our country. we know since the roe vs. wade in 1973 decision that this issue has in many times helped or hurt candidates running for political office. so i suspect he's going to have to address that again today. he will be speaking here in racine, wisconsin, as the snow flurries begin to fall here. inside a hall, you can take a look and see at the hall that's been set up. this is not one of those halls that will have thousands of people. we've seen sometimes tens or more thousands show up. but there are already people
lining up to go inside to speak. his campaign has said that this was not going to be necessarily a rally but really more of a chitchat. but for the moment, they've set it up as they do most rallies with a podium. although i did notice a seat to the side so maybe they'll do a little bit more of a town hall setting, alex, which means that there would be some more questions potentially from the audience. and i'm sure somebody getting up there would ask the question about a clarification on this abortion question. >> oh, yeah, you can bet on that. getting any sort of a heads up, kerry, on protesters? >> only that they have set up a location where the protesters outside will be able to gather. as you know, donald trump often has people who go inside, nobody knows really who the supporters are when they go inside, and then they sort of surprise the moment by becoming a protester and trying to disrupt. but at this early hour, i've seen nobody here who says that they're going to protest. it's a cold, chilly morning and
i guess if you're going to be a protester you're going to try and time it closer to the event rather than standing out here this early. although i should note some of his supporters are already lining up here to get a seat inside because, like everything else, there will be limited seating in a venue that's not really not that big. >> thank you very much, kerry sanders. let's go to bernie sanders and hillary clinton. how sanders is demanding an apology now. nbc's kristen welker is in milwaukee for us. let's get to the root of all this. how did it start? >> well, alex, this started earlier this week. secretary clinton was holding a rally in purchase, new york, and an environmental activist essentially accused her of accepting money from the oil and gas industry. she fired back, a fiery response saying that she doesn't accept that type of money and that she's sick and tired of senator sanders lying ability her record. that prompted senator sanders to
demand an apology to her. take a listen to what he had to say. >> truth is that secretary clinton has relied heavily on funds from lobbyists working for the oil, gas, and coal industry. according to an analysis done by greenpeace, hillary clinton's campaign and her super pac have received more than $4.5 million from the fossil fuel industry. >> alex, independent fact checkers have determined that both secretary clinton and senator sanders have accepted money from employees who work for the oil and gas industry. secretary clinton probably a little bit more. still, her campaign saying it is absolutely not going to apologize. here's a little bit of a statement released by campaign spokesperson which reads in part, quote, despite their pledge to run a positive campaign about the issues, we have seen increasingly ratcheted-up personal attacks from senator sanders, his
campaign, and his surrogates. you are seeing the rhetoric get much more heated as this race intensifies. here's what the political landscape looks like, alex. right now senator sanders has a four-point lead in wisconsin. this is a state that the clinton campaign had hoped to be able to win. now it seems as though sanders is poised for victory here. if he wins he's going to pick up some delegates but more importantly, he's going to pick up major momentum heading into delegate rich new york. that is of course secretary clinton's turf. that's where she serves two terms as senator, a loss there would be absolutely devastating for her campaign. so expect to see a lot of focus on new york in the coming days. but first, of course, the focus on wisconsin, and both of these candidates will be facing off at a big party dinner later tonight in milwaukee. alex? >> and to back up what you're saying about wisconsin, looking at two polls. one has sanders up by five, the other has him up by six. so, all right, kristen welker out in the snow for us. bless you. thank you so much.
>> thanks,al electi alex. let's get more from "new york times" national reporter and caitlyn huey burns, politics reporter at real clear politics. good morning. thank you so much for joining me. ameesh, i want to talk about your report and what you said that bernie sanders has been touting new york as his key to the white house. how much truth is there in that statement? put in perspective how important new york is to him. >> new york is very important to bernie sanders. he's trying to make up this large delegate lead that hillary clinton has had on him for several months now and one of the things that he's doing is trying to win a lot of the 247 delegates that new york has to ufr offer. that's only the second largest delegate count after california. so one of the things that if he can win in new york city, if he can win in new york state, not only does it give him more delegates but what it really gives him is a chance to tell hillary clinton, look, you're vulnerable, look at your weaknesses, you continue even win new york after being a senator there for two terms. so not only does it give him
delegates it really gives him a new narrative to really kind of make his case that he's electable and stronger candidate in new york. he's started having 18,500 people in the bronx for a rally. it was huge and diverse. >> it was diverse but i want to ask you something else here, because we have hillary clinton leading so far in the polls. that strengthens the argument that she does well in states with large minority population. why do you think sanders has not managed to catch up among these voters? >> he hasn't been able to catch up because hillary clinton has a lot of deep roots in the black and latino communities. also in other -- in communities of color but really the black and latino communities which is going to make up one-third of the voters in new york state. people know her. not only are they following her because they have already followed her and followed her in the past but they've seen her be tested, they've seen her go bu the benghazi hearings, seen her weather scandal as and they've
seen her reach out to the community leaders. you think of jim clyburn in south carolina. she was able to get that important endorsement. and bernie sanders hasn't been able to convince people that he's an ally to that community yet. >> okay. i'm looking at your report this week, caitlyn, in which you writen't -- it's not clear really whether ted cruz is actually the gop's pick or, quote, simply the party's vehicle to cleveland.
ted cruz is making a really solid case, not only that he's been able to defeat donald trump in a variety of states but also he has been very savvy about this delegate count. and he's been going to places we saw, for example, in louisiana recently where he was able to scoop up delegates. he's going to north dakota as he alluded to earlier in the segment to also hunt for delegates there. so he's making the case that if it's an open convention, even if the party isn't that enthusiastic about him he will be the best position and actually have perhaps enough
delegates to hear the nomination on a second ballot. >> so enthusiasm, favorability, let's talk about that because his latest favorability ratings are barely better than trumps. if he does win the nomination how unprecedented is that for such an unpopular candidate to make it to november? >> well, as -- the feeling in the republican party right now which is so interesting to me having covered congress before and watching how cruz's senate colleagues do not get along with him, now they're seeing cruz as, you know, the better of alternative to donald trump. donald trump's numbers are so overwhelmingly negative in a general election that he really risks losing not only the white house but also perhaps senate and perhaps the house. and so that's really starting to the start -- scare republicans and they believe that ted cruz is not that much more likable but that at least he is a conservative, that republicans
could run on a ticket with him and not be as damaged as they perhaps would be with donald trump. >> let me ask you both quickly from the headlines out of was con sin. >> senator sanders is looking like he's going to take that seat. i think the headlines are going to be him argue that he has the momentum and i think that the headlines on the clinton side are going to be them reminding people of her delegate lead and reminding people she's now heading into part of the calendar where she expects to do really well. caitlyn, headlines? >> i'll take the republican side. i think that cruz is best positioned to win there. the question is by how much is he able to win by enough to secure all of the delegates, the 42 delegates in that state in and that will be a big deal for the stop trump movement. they're hoping to slow donald trump's momentum, slow his path to the nomination. wisconsin can play a big role in that. >> okay. things so much. despite all the primaries and caucuses, the outcome of the gop presidential battle may come down to just the vote of 200
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new evidence this morning of donald trump's trouble with women comes from a new survey a, a new democracy core poll shows trump losing to clinton among women, 58% to 35%. a deeper dive into the poll numbers shows a huge marriage gap between the candidates. unmarried women overwhelmingly favored clinton 73% to 21%. among married women trump barely beats clinton, 45%, 48%. clinton beating trump there. well, the fight for the presidential nomination is baffling in one sense. democratic nominees are fighting for delegatend superdelegate votes while republicans have delegates and something even more confusing than super dale galts, unbound delegates. to try to clear things up for us
let's go to fargo, north dakota, where we find msnbc's jacob soboroff, the delegate hunter. i'm loving this moniker. you can take it away because you've got some explaining to do, my friend. >> it feels good, alex, this new title of delegate hunter. i have to start hunting delegates though and that is why i'm here in north dakota. as chuck todd said yesterday, what happens here this weekend could be more important than the results of the wisconsin primary on tuesday. and i'll explain why in a second. take a look at what's going to happen here. people are campaign for all kinds of local office, national committee chairman, people are campaign for state auditor. if you come this way you see signs for governor right here, another state auditor sign. but the big conversation here in north dakota is what happens with the delegates that come out of here. you can hear they're going all the logistical stuff right now. if you parked a small car, move
it from its location. it's going to get serious here though. 25 delegates elected right here on the floor of this arena are going to come out unbound. that means they do not have to stick to the will of the voters in this state and because there is no presidential preference primary in this state. they're called unbound delegates. they have a lot more power than any other voters in the country do. and here's why. it turns out that after month of primaries and caucuses and record turnout with millions of people picking their choice for the next president a group of less than 200 americans known as unbound delegates could tip the scales at the republican party's cleveland convention this july and that makes them some of the most powerful people in all of american politics. so, what are unbound delegates? do you know what an unbound delegate is? >> no. >> no idea. >> none. >> nope. >> none at all. >> no. >> not even a little? >> no. >> not bound to any -- starts with an "c," ends with an
adidate. >> candidate. >> somebody who doesn't have to vote for the person that their district designates them for. >> each state has its own mini version of the republican party and they each make their own rules when it comes to allocating the delegates sent to the national convention. in a handful of themdakota, col don't require some or all delegates to support the winner of the popular vote. bottom line, the delegates are unbound from what voters say and they can make up their own minds. i know what you're thinking. why should we care? >> i can't do anything about it for this election, can i? >> no, but -- >> so, no, i don't care. >> schooled. i got schooled. >> democracy works when the mass -- the mass people like decide what they choose and what they want and if we've got people representing us who aren't voting the same way we are, it causes a couple of problems. >> here's why. if you define democracy as voters picking a winner this is
undemocr undemocratic. if no candidate hits the magic delegate number, the presidential pick of this small group of people becomes as important as the popular vote. so, who are these people? >> i don't know any offhand for -- with full certainty, i don't know any of them. >> that's what i'm saying. it's hard to figure out who they are. >> i'm sure there's a list somewhere but -- >> there isn't. we already know who a few of them are. curly haugland in north dakota because of his position in a state party. there are lots more who will come into play in the next few weeks as state parties hold conventions to elect the rest of these folks. >> i'm going to find them for you. >> thank you. you do your best. >> and that's my new mission. i'm becoming a delegate hunter. hitting the road to track down and speak with some of these extremely powerful americans whose vote could now matter a lot more than yours does. whether you like it or not. this place is so important to
the 2016 campaign that ted cruz is actually coming here in his bid to stop donald trump from reaching the 1237 delegates that will help him on the first ballot get that nomination at the republican convention in july. if he's able to do that by winning over the support of the unbound delegates in this room this afternoon, it is going to be a big problem for donald trump. and that is why his campaign is scrambling to gobble up every last one of these votes. once it gets to the second ballot everyone is unbound in cleveland and anything could happen. >> earlier i said we need to have or i need so have a calculator by my side to figure this out, i need you by my side to figure all this out, too. incredibly complicated. >> call me, alex. >> i will, call, text, the whole deal. thank you. well, let's in sarah, former deputy campaign manager for carly fiorina and former deputy communications director for the rnc. welcome to you. let's first talk about the person with whom i spoke a short while ago, former wisconsin
congressman scott clue. he's a former kasich supporter. here's what he had to say. >> i think what's going on in wisconsin is the cruz surge is in the southeast corner of the state driven by the south and the talk show hosts in milwaukee. i think this is wisconsin's leadership trying to slow down donald trump so there's a brokered convention and so paul ryan can be the nominee. >> what's your reaction to that? >> that's a pretty fun conspiracy theory. i think that actually donald trump's had a terrible week. maybe two weeks at this point. and that many in the party and many who are just independents voting in the republican party at this point aren't interested in donald trump as their nominee anymore are taking a second look at ted cruz and finding that's the conservative in the race and that's the guy they want to support. so i think on tuesday in wisconsin you're going to see more than just the southeast or whatever he was describing. i think wisconsin is going to
come out strong for ted cruz. >> okay. i want to get back to the delegate conversation for a moment because i can't get past what jacob soboroff was reporting. it's crazy. tell us what's going on behind the scenes as candidates are trying to woo these unbound delegates. >> well, so i'm here in north dakota and was at one of the hospitality suites last night. it's a great party here. north dakotans from all over are coming into fargo. this is one of the first times they've been this highly relevant in a presidential cycle, so they're excited to meet folks like karly fir written that, ted cruz, ben carson is coming for donald trump as well. so north dakota republicans are having a really fun weekend here. >> okay. they're looking for 28 delegates from the state. but i'm curious about "the new york times" peace today which is on how the trump voters could become delegates for someone else. can you explain how that works? >> well, do you mean that on the
second ballot many of these delegates become unbound and they can switch to someone else or do you mean that the delegates themselves that get elected actually are not trump delegates? >> you know, i guess the latter. that's the one that's more confusin confusing. i think we realize if there is a contested convention you go in with a vote but then the second vote things can change, except in this scenario nur pyou're pu out there, the second one. >> right. so you know, these are the rules that any sophisticated or even halfway decent presidential campaign is aware of. donald trump doesn't seem to have much of a campaign infrastructure which isn't a huge surprise since most of his campaign seems to be run on twitter. but, you know, when these primaries or caucuses happen there's a follow-up of who gets elected to go to that convention. and those individual people have their own minds and their own choices to make. and so when you don't have a campaign infrastructure to actually go in and decide who those people are going to be you
run the risk that another campaign does that. ted cruz has proven that they are a great blocking and tackling team on the ground. donald trump on the other hand seems bewildered by the idea of campaigning which i think should concern people that he might be be bewildered by the idea of governing. >> 172 delegates in marco rubio's camp. he's out of the race but trying to hang on to them. why is that? how could he? if the plan is to bar trump from getting to the required number, 1237, how would that work? >> well, there's a few reasons why senator rubio would hold on to those delegates. i don't know inside the rubio camp what they're thinking. there's a few issues. some of those delegates could have been reallocated among candidates and could have helped donald trump pick up a few delegates. on the other hand, i'm sure that team rubio is thinking about a contested convention and that they would like a few bargaining chips of their own. they've come out and said, i believe, that ted cruz is the strongest conservative in the race at this point.
i don't think they're looking to be a spoiler in the race. i think they are like all of us, trying to make sure that donald trump doesn't get to that 1237 number. >> all right. sarah, always good to talk with you. thanks. as the city of cleveland prepares for the republican convention it is paying a broker $1.5 million to obtain a so-called protester insurance policy of at least $10 million. how are police gearing up for what could be a stormy convention? that's ahead. some say "free the whales." for them, nothing else is acceptable. but nothing could be worse for the whales. most of the orcas at seaworld were born here. sending them into the wild wouldn't be noble. it could be fatal. when they freed keiko, the killer whale of movie fame, the effort was a failure and he perished. but we also understand that times have changed.
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the place for politics. i'm alex witt. donald trump returns to the campaign trail with three events in wisconsin. his fight for the badgers state comes amid fallout over him saying women should be punished for having abortions. here's more of his interview on cbs' "face the nation" clarifying those comments. >> i think it would have been better up to the states. but right now the law are set. >> do you have a feeling how they should change? off talked about them from liable to torture. >> at this moment the laws are set. and i think we have to leave it that way. >> do you think it's murder, abortion? >> um, i have my opinions on it but i would rather not comment on it. >> trump did not attend the fish fry milwaukee last night where ted cruz and john kasich spoke with republicans and former alaska governor, sarah palin, of course, stood in for trump. msnbc's trymaine lee is in ra n racine ahead of a trump rally.
with a good day to you. what all did the candidates say? >> good day, alex. again in wisconsin, to state the obvious, it's delegate rich state. 42 up for grab on gop side. as you mentioned, criss-crossing the state over the weekend. donald trump has six events from now through monday. but he was not at that gop fish fry right last. sarah palin was there. she tallied donald trump's business acumen as he's the man for the job in terms of president of the united states. john kasich talked about returning the spirit to the american family. while ted cruz amidst all the discord in the party talked about unifying the gop. but let's take a listen to hear their own words from last night. >> ted cruz, without a doubt, is the candidate who can both win the nomination of this party, bring the party together at the convention, and defeat hillary clinton this fall. >> this state, the men and women here, you have a platform, you
have a megaphone where you are spoking not just for this state but for the entire country. >> i will put us on a path to a balanced budget, as i have in the past, with no third rails, no problems with dealing with entitlements. >> in order to work and to produce and to strive and to thrive and to really be alive, the greatest country on earth. i thank god that donald trump gets it because he lives it. >> i tell you what, alex, donald trump is expected to speak at noon. you can already see behind me therer a few supporters. we've also seen staffers going in. it's a cold day. we're close to lake michigan. the snow is coming down. earlier this week we saw protests in jansville where six were arrested. a major rally in a protest in milwaukee. later on police have set up this area right here, if they do get protesters they will be cordoned off here. so far, alex, few folks out here except for us and the snow. >> yeah, you all bundled up.
i thank you for being out there in the snow to make this report. see you again. in north dakota today republicans are gathering for the party's convention which will pick 25 of the state's 28 delegates. the catch, thee unbound. which means in theory at least anyone's game in north dakota. let's brick in roz lateen, executive director of the republican party. with a welcome to you, let's talk about what criticized ticks are arguing which is leading delegates unbound is undemocratic. what do you say to that? >> i say that our candidates have the -- excuse me, our delegates to the state convention have the opportunity to choose these delegates to the national convention. we had district conventions at the local level that people were able to choose those delegates to the state convention. so you really do have your voice heard on the local level and that translates to having your voice heard on the state level as well. >> okay. but the decision to keep your delegates unbound, i mean, is that something to make north
dakota have a bigger imprint overall in the national discussion? >> you know, honestly when we had this discussion ban in august we had no idea this would be the outcome of that discussion. >> no one did. >> it was -- yeah. right. no one thought that north dakota would be the focus for a weekend. but it was more about the fact that our party rules were in direct conflict with the rnc's rule change and we wanted -- we didn't have the time to change everything and to make it happen. so this is what our state committee chose. and those state committee members are chosen by people from their districts and so i mean, truly your republican on the local level does have a voice and say of what happens in the state. >> that is a republican who has been involved in party politics. what about the average voter who goes out there and puts their vote in a ballot and says, this is what i want. and their voice -- they may feel that they're being drowned out.
>> so, those people, i mean, everyone has the same opportunity to go to district meetings. they're well published. it's in state statute. the limitations -- the lines of when those meetings have to be published. your average person is very well aware of when that's going on. also our delegates have never been bound in recent elections. in 2012 they weren't bound to the results. so those caucuses or those straw polls we do across the state are more informal because our delegates have the -- it's written into our party rules they have the ability to vote their conscience at the national convention. >> there's something interesting and it is an issue there because there's been a year's long oil boom. now your state has hit a rough economic patch that includes a billion dollar budget deficit. so what kind of impact is that going to have on the way your delegates pick the candidates? >> you know, i don't know that it will necessarily have a huge impact on who the delegates pick. but i think we want -- we need a
strong conservative in the president's office bep need someone who is going to balance the budget, who is going to make the decisions that need to be made, so get this country back on the right track and to make sure we are financially stable. north dakota has done it for many years. we've always had in recent years, strong budgets, had strong leadership in the governor's office and legislate tive branch as well. so i think that really the country could look to north dakota as an example for how to budget as a state and especially in times of deficit as well. i think ur our governor and legislators have handled this very, very well. >> i'm curious your take on cruz being the only actual candidate to come to your state's party convention. today he's going to do the key note speech in five plus hours from now. others who are sending delegates --surrogates, i should say. how does that play in the minds of those attending? >> i think the delegates to our
state convention and guests who will be attending are just so excited that we have this national attention on our state. we've got reporters in from across the country. we've got candidates and their staff coming in. i mean, it's just, i think, the buzz around it has just been phenomenal. and i think people are just excited there's people coming here. there's candidates who want to speak here. we have a surrogate or a candidate from all three presidential campaigns and that's, i think that's truly phenomenal and i think the people appreciate the thought that north dakota does have a voice and the candidates are recognize that. >> a very loud one which we're following this weekend. thank you so much. enjoy the convention today. this is the first presidential primary in wisconsin under one of the nation's toughest voter id laws. the department of motor vehicles today is bracing for a last minute id rush hour. that's next. if you're going to make a statement... make sure it's an intelligent one. the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit.
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the poll tuesday for the fis time they will have to bring a valid id with them. residents are required to show a driver's license or other approved forms of id to cast a ballot and that is resulting in long lines at dmvs. msnbc's tony is outside one of those location for news m.d. son. as the snow falls what is it like on the ground there? not necessarily right now because it's early but what have you been seeing? >> hey, alex. at cold and bitter morning here in madison. i'm outside the dmv because this year for the first time in wisconsin the path to the polls leads through the department of motor vehicles. possibly probably the last place a lot of people want to be on saturday morning but this is one of the last opportunities they're going to have to get the id they need to vote on tuesday. you might think, wait, a government id, doesn't everyone have one? no. 300,000 people in wisconsin are estimated to be registered to vote but lacking the proper id to do so. there are a list of ids acceptable. that might look like a long list but there are a lot of people who don't have them.
they're hustling today and on monday to get the proper documentation. i want to bring in molly mcgrath, organizer with vote writers. we're going to be following her along as she helps people get the id necessary. this is a cold and bitter morning. what should we expect from people? >> today we're going to expect to see inside look at how this law impacts voters lives. we're doing the see that we hear that it's easy to get an id. that everybody can vote. the id is free and easy to get. for all voters that's not the case. we're going to see the inside look at their life how they have to drive 30 minutes on a saturday morning in the snow, how they're put in a tough choice and there's tough decisions to make. documents to get and sometimes there's fees to pay in order to get that id to vote on tuesday in time for election day. >> this is not an easy thing. a lot of paperwork, and a lot of money involved. we saw the long lines in arizona, five-hour lines in someplasome plac places. might see long lines in wisconsin because when people get to the polls they're going to have to though that documentation and check against
the list. people who don't have the documentation are going to file a provisional ballot and get five more days. the ultimate deadline. five more days to get here to a dmv like this. get the paperwork in and finally, get their vote counted. we'll check back in with you later in the hour, later in the day as we follow a family through this last-minute process. >> really quickly, tontony, cole kids with a college id, that doesn't work, right? >> just a college id will not work. so there's going to be some surprised students at the university of wisconsin, excited bernie supporters are going to go to the polls and find out, uh-uh. bernie sanders has been bringing this up. he says these laws which have been passed by republican legislators around the country, they tend to be, in his view, failed efforts to disenfranchise majority democratic voters. a way to tramp down the vote and give republican candidates a bit of a lift. >> okay, standing in the snow. everybody in wisconsin today, heads up, you get bonuses. just saying. thank you very much fshlgs
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north dakota is today's battleground for 28 republican delegates. they're going to go to the convention in july without being bound to any candidate but they're not alone. "the new york times" says about 5% of all republican delegates will go to the convention free to vote for any candidate and not be obligated by any primary or caucus vote. the city of cleveland is preparing for the summer's republican national convention under volatile circumstances. in fact, the recent bomb attacks in belgium have raid concerns about terrorism and some political rallies this primary season have turned actually violent. all of these creating a nightmare scenario for cleveland police and federal law enforcement officials. so let's bring in former tampa, florida, police chief jane
caster, ran the department during the gop's 2012 convention in that city. ma'am, thank you so much for joining us. let's talk first about the expectations of a 50,000 or so people expected in cleveland for this convention. how big a project is it to try to keep cleveland safe? >> it's a very big project. and you have to start years out in your preparation for it. and really not knowing what to expect at the convention. so it's an arduous task. >> it's been declared a national security event. can you give us some details of what that means? y. >>y what agency, for example, takes a lead at convention like this? >> okay. there are very few events that are in a national security event. and one of those being the olympics, the super bowls aren't, but the secret service actually takes the lead for the secured perimeter. and then it is the responsibility of the local law enforcement agency to secure the
perimeter and the outside of that area. >> okay. this is a four-day event. i mean, there is no let-up whatsoever. i want to ask you about the secret service because you're certainly aware that they had to say, no, you may not bring guns into the arena during this convention, which was something that someone proposed. first of all, what kind of a crazy idea is that to allow people to bring in guns? >> i know. the fact that you even have to answer or address a question like that is -- as you said, crazy. >> so what about your experience there in 2012. your city, the convention happened in tampa. it went smoothly but there were some protests. there wasn't a lot that was major, if i recall correctly. what about cleveland though, the tenor of this campaign, this primary cycle, you think there's a likelihood they will face more protests than you had to in tampa? >> oh, i think, without a doubt they will. just the volatility, volatile nature of the whole political
process right now, i think has the entire country up in arms, no one expected this. so you don't know. there are very few things that you can control in law enforcement and with this rnc it's going to be incumbent upon cleveland to control what they can before the events gets there because i think they're in for an event that's not going to be anything close to what we experienced in tampa in 2012. >> we make a point that you have to play defense in some ways but in tirms of going on the offense before this event, i know the federal government has granted a $50 million amount of money for security related expenses. this is as a result having the city beef up the police force, you've got officers from nearby suburbs coming in. they're also buying an assortment of tactical and riot gear which indicates they're preparing for demonstrations. but what about terrorism? i mean, look at belgium. do you expect to see increased anti-terror units sent to
cleveland? >> there will be, yes. and that's the same thing for each of these events because, as you stated at the opening, you have to prepare for the worst and expect the best. so certainly there are a number of agencies on the federal, state, and local level that are working just on the terrorism issue in cleveland right now. >> a lot of times you look at these big events and you see uniformed officers. you see patrols. you see cars, tanks, and the like. how much do we not see? can you put that on perspective, of what's going on behind the scenes? >> you have to be prepared for civil unrest. what we did in tampa is we spent a great deal of time on the proactive training with our officers, letting them know that they had to -- there would be individuals that would come with the intent of antagonizing them in to some type of inappropriate
action and they needed to resist that. and then, also, meeting with the groups ahead of time. those groups that want to demonstrate, want to express themselves, the unions, the aclu, we worked very, very closely with those groups to ensure that we could do everything we could to allow them to achieve their goals as long as they didn't break two simple rules and that was no property damage and no physical violence. >> okay. former tampa police chief jane castor, thank you for your insights. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. the place for politics. up next, chris jansing live in milwaukee, wisconsin. among her guest, former rnc chairman michael steele. i'm alex witt. i'll see you right back here at i'll see you right back here at noon eastern. but not every insurance company understands the life behind it. ♪ those who have served our nation have earned the very best service in return. ♪
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