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helping you pursue it, is ours. t-i-a-a. good day, everyone, i'm alex witt at msnbc world headquarters in new york. it's yet again a critical weekend for both republicans and democrats in the race for the white house. in battleground wisconsin, at some point today, every contender from those parties will be in the badger state. a short time from now it's donald trump who's now hinting in a new interview again at a possible third-party run if he's not the gop candidate. and bringing in sarah palin to campaign with him at all of his stops which include one in racine. and no shortage of drama for the democrats. one candidate demanding an apology for the other and both meeting at the same place and the same time. could it get uglier? all this as lines form in
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wisconsin not to vote but to get an i.d. and a chance to vote. these storylines playing out right here right now on msnbc, the place for politics. just two hours from new, ted cruz will deliver the keynote address at the north dakota republican party convention. at some point this weekend, those in attendance will vote on 28 unbound delegates. cruz will then travel to wisconsin where he and every single candidate is campaigning. donald trump's three events in the state come on the same day that politico is reporting that trump's campaign manager corey lewandowski's role is shrinking behind the scenes. that's according to unnamed sources close to the trump campaign. the report comes days after lewandowski was charged with battery for allegedly grabbing a former breitbart reporter at a campaign event last month. meanwhile, donald trump is once again floating the idea of
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running as a third-party candidate. here's what he said during an interview that airs tomorrow on fox news sunday. >> are you ruling out running as an independent third party candidate? are you ruling that out? simple question. >> no, it's not that simple. i'm by far the front-runner as a republican i want to run as a republican. i would beat hillary clinton? >> but if you don't get the nomination. >> we'll shave to see how i was treated. very simple. later tonight, hillary clinton and bernie sanders will cross path at the wisconsin dems party dinner. it comes at a time of increased tension between both parties after clinton called sanders a liar for accusing her campaign from taking donations from the fossil fuel industry. sanders demanded an apology but the clinton campaign says they won't issue one. at a campaign event in wisconsin last night, sanders made his case for why donald trump should lose. >> what more and more people i
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think are understanding is that our campaign would be by far the strongest campaign against donald trump. you know, one of the problems you have dealing with trump, it really is hard to keep up with him. everyday there is some other outrageous absurd statement and i've chosen not to spend my entire campaign responding to everyone one of his absurd statements. the latest polls out of wisconsin show a close election for both democrats and republicans and earlier today i asked a pollster for emerson college to make a prediction for tuesday based on a poll they will release on monday. >> a sneak peek shows that bernie is probably going to take wisconsin by five or more and then if we look at the republican side, cruz is definitely has expanded his lead. we had him up a point about a week and a half ago and now we see him up about double digits like the other polls are showing
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as well. >> nbc's carrie sanders is in racine, wisconsin where mr. trump is holding a rally a short time from now. thank he vans you went indoors. the snow outside, you looked like a snowman. it looks like a lot of people. don't seem to have slowed the tide. >> a lot of people are still standing outside in the snow waiting to come in. they're going through security. takes a while to get everybody in because of the threats that have happened in the past at some donald trump rallies but you can see here at the civic center it's filling up. people here to listen to donald trump, some who have made up their minds already, others still sitting on the fence not sure. we have theresa here from kin know th kenosha. stand up, theresa. one of the questions that is looming, especially this week as the vote is about to happen right here in your state is whether donald trump's position on abortion where he appears to have changed and evolved within
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a week back and forth, whether that impacts your thoughts on supporting him or not? >> well, it does impact my thoughts but as far as supporting him or not, i'm not sure on that level. >> so what do you conclude? >> i do not believe in abortion personally so -- >> so you don't believe in abortion. what do you think about a candidate like donald trump who once says a woman should be held if it's an illegal abortion then seems to backtrack on that saying the law of the land is it isn't abortion and saying if i get into office i would like to change the law. does that seem -- donald trump likes to say i'm not a politician. does it sound like he's holding to that? >> to a certain extent. i don't think the law really needs to get into a woman's personal business. but that's my personal opinion. >> so you've come here to hear donald trump but you've made up your mind or not? >> i haven't made up my mind yet. >> do you want to hair hear him
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define where he stands on abortion today? >> that and many other things. just what he has to say. i've never been to one of these rallies before, it's all new to me. >> well, thank you so much. appreciate you sharing your thoughts. appreciate it. interestingly, some of the people that are gathered here today say they are donald trump supporters but didn't want to talk on camera. others saying they're hear to listen to what donald trump has to say as we heard theresa just say to find out whether it's somebody who they're going to support or not. so once again we are in a state where people have not fully made up their minds and when you see a large crowd here, you can't automatically assume, alex, everybody in the crowd is supporting the candidate. in this case, supporting donald trump. they may simply be here to learn a little bit more firsthand. >> which may explain the big huge crowds as donald trump has been proclaiming, the fact is he's been bringing new voters under the tent so we'll see. thank you very much. good to see you. kerry sanders indoors as opposed to outdoors on this snowy day.
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joining me is someone who knows wisconsin all too well, kate martell, national politics for the hill and john from "the nation." john, i'll reach out to you first here. how bad is it for trump that sarah palin assessed the success of her speech by saying "well, i didn't get booed." i know you tweeted about this reaction. how bad an omen for the trump camp is that? >> really bad. yoon how to say it otherwise. sarah palin was appealing with core conservatives. people who listen to conservative talk radio, are part of not all of them tea party folks but folks who think of themselves on the right wing of the party and the right wing of american politics and she received a pretty tepid response as she spoke for donald trump it's very interesting what's happening in wisconsin.
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we've had a lot of rough and tumble politics over the last decade. regular elections, recall elections, protests. what you've seen develop in wisconsin is a new conservative establishment that is pretty edgy, pretty strong but also very seriously connected to the republican part yy and i think this is a place where folks who in many other states might have been interested in trump have been very much turned against him so he has a rough race. he's coming in strong, doing six appearances to win people back. >> but winning people back is the operative statement here john. what would a wisconsin loss mean in terms of his trying to get to 1237? >> it's a very serious blow. it doesn't stop him. as everyone knows he's got new york coming and pennsylvania where he could do well t you
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look at the cities he's going to, he isn't struggling to win, he is struggling to make sure he doesn't lose really, really badly. what do i mean really really badly? the possibility he could end up behind john kasich in congressional districts. so you're seeing him go to the southern parts of the state and western parts of the state to beef up support. >> a couple polls don't have him behind kasich but behind cruz. >> not yet. >> that's for sure. kate, i know you reported on the hurdle republicans face if they run an anti-trump third party candidate. one of the obstacles you talk about is that a candidate would have to register to be on the ballot in everybody state. at this point is that an option? >> it's not an option, alex, in every state. a lot of states have closed who is on the ballot to write in candidates and let's say donald trump just misses the nomination, doesn't get the nomination, he doesn't have much of a reason not to run as a
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third party candidate and even if he is a write in candidate, how hard is it to spell out donald trump? but where things get interesting is that let's say there is a strong third party candidate, whether it is donald trump or an anti-trump republican that in the electoral college you don't to win a plurality of votes. you need to win the 270 electoral votes and the electoral college which is 50% plus one. so if you have a strong third party candidate that could pull away enough votes that it could end up having to send who wins the white house to the newly elected house of representatives and that only makes the races in no in the house that much more important. >> this is to both of you. i want to play a bit of what former wisconsin congressman and kasich supporter said about increased support for ted cruz in that state. here it is. >> i think what's going on in wisconsin is the cruz surge is largely in the southeast corner of the state driven by the establishment in the state and driven by talk show hosts in
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milwaukee and i don't think this is any great surge of love for ted cruz. i think what this is is wiscons wisconsin's leadership trying to slow down donald trump so there's a brokered convention and so paul ryan can be the nominee. >> john, do you think there's any there there to that conspiracy theory? >> well, scott klug is somebody i know very well and i respect his political sensibilities a lot but i would divide up his statement there. the first part is very true. are wisconsin establishment and conservative leadership republican republica republicans doing everything they can to stop donald trump from getting an open convention? yes. i see very little deep enthusiasm for ted cruz. i've been to a number of cruz events that i thought were surprisingly tepid in their response to cruz. these people want to stop trump. now, the second part i'm more cautious on. whether it's purely to put paul
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ryan in, i'd suggest maybe there's some people who like that idea but i think there are an awfully lot of people who think that if cruz beats trump badly in wisconsin, that will become part of a broader struggle to displace trump which could put someone who is simply more electable into the mix and one thing i would council on here, an awful lot of wisconsin republicans are deeply concerned about november. trump runs so far behind the democrats, both bernie sanders and clinton, that they desperately want to look for some kind of alternative but it isn't necessarily ted cruz. >> i'm curious, kate, when you look at wednesday morning and the headlines and the newspapers, how do you think they will read? >> i think that ted cruz right now some new polls are showing that ted cruz very well could win wisconsin and if ted cruz does win wisconsin that could be the little boost of momentum to change this race. i know my colleague at t hill is
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reporting that conservative donors that don't necessarily support donald trump haven't signed on or haven't picked their candidate, that could be the little boost of momentum that could have them start to surge -- to support ted cruz and realize that he could be the standard bearer for the republican party. so i think it could be a strong day for ted cruz if he does pull it out and if he does it could be a tough path to nomination for donald trump if they make it to an open convention. >> okay, kate martell and john nichols, thank you so much, appreciate it. >> thank you. she is a woman and a child of immigrants and also one of donald trump's most ardent defenders. coming up, she'll explain why. b, these feet learned the horn from my dad and played gigs from new york to miami. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and he prescribed lyrica. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters,
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a few minutes from now donald trump is set to take the stage. he is trailing ted cruz by ten points in wisconsin ahead of tuesday's primary. let's bring in a trump supporter, attorney and write a.j. delgado. a.j., i want to talk about your candidate who has taken heat for apparently flip-flopping on the issue of abortion. as a woman, as a stated supporter of planned parenthood does that make you reconsider backing trump and do you think it might make him lose other female voters? >> not at all. first as to what he said, it was just a normal gaffe that can happen when you're speaking 18 hours a day, he clarified what he meant within hours. he put out a beautiful statement clarifying women who have abortions are in fact victims and what his position is which is just ronald reagan's position so i don't think the gaffe would have affected him with anyone especially because i think women in america are smart enough and well read enough and savvy enough to say, okay, let me look at donald trump's policies. are they pro-women policies?
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and really his policies and platforms are more pro-women than any other candidate on either side of the aisle. when you think about it, whether you're a working woman who doesn't want to see her job outsourced or somebody who works in the manufacturing industry who wants to see manufacturing jobs returned to america, that's donald trump's platform. whether you're a veteran, it's donald trump who will help you. whether you're a mother and you want to make sure common core isn't affecting your children's education, that's donald trump's platform. he has a very pro-women platform. >> a.j., appreciate what you're saying about that but i want to get back to the abortion thing. how do you define "gaffe"? i watched that very view very closely. a couple of minutes conversation back and forth but it appeared to me he was thinking about his answers. it wasn't just something he said on the fly. how do you define gaffe? you don't think he thought about what he's saying? >> here's what happened. if you watch the entire
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interview, chris matthews keeps grilling him saying "if this were illegal, if this were illegal, this would be a punishment?" the famous novel is "crime and punishment." if you keep saying "if it were illegal, shouldn't there be a punishment?" at some point you're going to think yes, there should. it's an easy tripup to make. so he clarified it within hours. i would make the same mistake if somebody were grilling me in that nature as to whether well, you think it should be illegal but you think there should be no punishment. normally for illegal things it should be a punishment. so it's a complicated issue where it's very easy to misspeak. i'm just thankful he clarified and i think everyone should move on. >> all right, let's look at what happened when a facebook fan of mark zuckerberg's advocacy group released an ad. let's play a clip of that. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. >> it sountds like republicans
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think latinos are criminals and rapists? >> you're rounding them none? >> we're rounding them unin a humane way. you're going to have a deportation force. >> sounds to me like republicans want to go door by door and tear my family apart. >> i know your parents are immigrants so how do you react when trump talks about immigrant this is way. let me just say, that first part of the ad, that was part of his announcement speech when he was saying "i'm running for president of the united states." something that was not off the cuff. >> sure and in that speech which has been widely misquoted, he said some are coming over and some are good people. i think that's true of every immigrant group. so i don't see why that statement was controversial. really trump's platform is a pro latino platform and that's why you see so many latinos all over social media declaring their support for trump. if you want to help latinos, you should be worried about the fact that latinos have a higher unemployment rate than the rest
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of the population so we're concerned about keeping our jobs and keeping jobs here for americans and not losing those jobs to foreigners. whether it's illegal immigrants coming in and taking those jobs or the offshoring and outsourcing of those jobs which, by the way, mark zuckerberg is a huge fan of. i know latinos that have lost their jobs to foreigners because of what's happening in it because of the folks like mark zuckerberg. >> in terms of adding the numbers up here, something is not connecting here, a.j. you talk about latino support yet look at this "washington post" univision poll which shows hispanic voters, 80% unfavorable. how do you reconcile your thoughts that the latino vote is for trump when those numbers say clearly not. >> well, hispanic voters for the most part tend to sway democratic so you're never going to have a majority support for republican candidates like donald trump but i think we'll see as the election progresses especially once donald trump is the nominee and we have either hillary or bernie on the other side of the nomination then
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we'll be able to really look at candidates' records, platform, what they've said. unfortunately, the latino community has fallen victim to a false media narrative as to what donald trump actually said in that initial june speech and what his views are on latinos. hopefully we can correct that misinformation and really show latinos that donald trump's policies will really help you. i'm trying to help correct that misinformation that for months the media has put out. >> well, i was going to say, you're certainly on to do just that, a.j. delgado, thank you for your time. >> thank you. why north dakota could play a political role in determining the fate of donald trump. that's next. ergies get between you and life's beautiful moments. with flonase allergy relief, they wont. when we breathe in allergens, our bodies react by over producing six key inflammatory substances that cause our symptoms. most allergy pills only control one substance. flonase controls six. and six is greater than one. flonase outperforms the #1 non-drowsy allergy pill. so you can seize those moments, wherever you find them.
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at this hour, ted cruz is zigging while his opponents are zagging. he's in north dakota, his competitors are all in wisconsin. about an hour and a half from now, he'll be giving the keynote address at the state's gop convention in fargo. he'll look for support with the state's unbound delegates. to explain this, we have our
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delegate hunter jacob soboroff. there's quite a crowd there. describe what's happening? >> they say about 1500 state level delegates here alex that are here to nominate these unbound delegates, 28 of them, to go to the republican national convention in cleveland in july. the catch is they don't have to answer to the logical of any voters they can vote for whomever they want. donald trump is after them so hard inn case he falls short of 1237 and ted cruz is showing up here to stop donald trump from gobbling up these unbound delegates. some people say they're undemocratic, they don't answer to the will of the voters but if you can see the three people sitting on the left side of the stage behind my, two of the three of them are the only are only some of the unbound delegates we have heard. we know their name, sandy boller, kelly armstrong, the chairman of the state republican party and committee woman.
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i had a chance to talk to curley houghland, he's been very out spoken and he said "this is a nomination, not an election." that may rank it will 20 million americans who have come out to vote for their choice of president. it doesn't bother him one bit. alex? >> jacob, how hard is it to track these people down? it seems like it's trying to find out who has a nielsen boxibox you can adjust ratings. >> it's a needle in a haystack situation. 1500 people are in this room. what will happen is from a list of about 100 people who applied to be unbound delegates 25 of them have been tap bid the party elites to be the nominees. we'll find out who their names are in addition to 25 additional alternates later today. but they won't be voted on and confirmed until tomorrow when everybody fills out a ballot, it
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gets tallied and the results are announced. the campaigns get to contest those nominations if they choose so the name wes get today may be different from the names we get tomorrow so we're running around chicken with heads cut off delegate hunter style to talk to these folks. >> i'm glad you're doing. delegate hunter jacobs soboroff. coming up, how the state is preparing for their tough voter i.d. laws. >> how many of the seven "star wars" movies have you seen? >> all of them. >> favorite serial? >> serial killer or serial? [ laughter ] actual actually muslix. >> you were expecting cap'n crunch? >> i was expecting muslix. it surprised me because it didn't surprise me. many people clean their dentures with toothpaste or plain water. and even though their dentures look clean, in reality they're not.
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welcome back, i'm alex witt at msnbc headquarters in new york, the place for politics. donald trump returns to the badger state with three events in wisconsin. there comes after the fallout for him saying women should be punished for abortions if they're illegal. here's more of his interview on "face the nation." >> i think it should be state right bus right now the laws are set and that's the way the laws are. >> do you have a feeling the laws should change? you've talking about laws that should change on libel to torture. anything you want to change? >> the laws are set and we have to leave it that way. >> do you think it's murder, abortion? >> i have my opinions on it but i'd rather not comment on it. >> trump is heading into tuesday's elections 10 points behind cruz in the latest poll out of wisconsin. while on the democratic side,
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bernie sanders leads hillary clinton by five points. for the first time wisconsin voters will have to bring a valid i.d. with them on tuesday. the controversial requirement was signed into law by governor scott walker and after a long court battle was put into place this year. both hillary clinton and bernie sanders have spoken out about the requirement, pushing their supporters to make sure they are prepared. and we're outside of one of madison's dmvs which are staying open late today to help voters obtain a valid i.d. tony, good day. talk about the lines, have you seen them building up? >> they are, alex, i'm inside the dmv, the last place a lot of people want to be on a saturday. to get this i.d., first time in wisconsin history that people have to pass through a department of motor vehicles to go to the polls. the line is a dozen people long, the wait is a half hour, maybe 45 minutes and there is driving snow outside. it's very cold weather, a difficult process. lucky number a8 will be able to
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get their i.d. one family we checked in earlier came an hour from outside of madison because their dmv was not open. they walked away with an i.d. there's one individual i want to introduce you to, steve daley, he's taken a bike out in the snow, braved the weather to come here to get his i.d. to vote on tuesday why was it so important for you to get this done? >> well, there's a lot of people that aren't going to be able to get done which is unto rt gnat because folks count but i just want to make sure to have the idea. >> what do you think about the voter i.d. law? is it a good idea or a bad idea? >> i it this it has more negatives than positive because people will show up to the polls that will be turned away and this is just like a little bureaucratic red tape that is kind of unnecessary, i believe. >> thank you, steve. i'll let you watch the number, c-184. is that you? >> close. >> we're getting there. alex, this is not a small problem, this is a big problem. there's about 300,000 voters,
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registered voters in wisconsin, who lack the proper i.d. to vote on tuesday. there's a group called vote riders to help this picture. they're helping people through the process but they can only help hundreds, maybe thousands of people in same so this could have a big impact on the election. a lot of these people without their i.d. happen to be bernie sanders supporters. alex? >> to that point, as we were speaking earlier, we talked about how college i.d.s won't work for your vote. so all those students at the university of wisconsin who are big bernie fans, i'm curious looking around you, do you see a lot of college-age kids in this crowd trying to get an i.d. today? >> there are a fair number of young people and the standard university of wisconsin i.d. won't work. there's a separate i.d. process for students about 20 minutes off campus in downtown madison so kids can are traverse the snow in a different location to get a student i.d. that will get them through the doors but the thing is, a lot of people don't even know they have to. there was a marquette poll not long ago that found almost a
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fifth of voters either weren't sure about the i.d. law or hadn't heard about it at all. alex. >> i think it will be making headlines come wednesday. thank you very much, tony. let's turn trymaine lee. he's been speaking with protesters there. trymaine, what are they telling you? >> how are you doing, alex? it took a while for protesters to get out here, it was so nasty, sleeting and snowing earlier, very cold in racine but as you can see a couple dozen protesters are here with signs "love trumps hate" "bridge players prefer no trump. but i want to bring in a few guests, selena, rosemary and nita, three members of one family. what brought you out here to protest donald trump. >> i don't support donald trump and his believes. he's made racist comments about where i've come from. my dad was born in mexico and he's now a u.s. citizen, he's a business owner and he's raised
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four kids and i'm attending college. >> your sister rosemary, i see your sign "not here to take jobs. mexican business owner." what made you stand out against donald trump? >> i'm here representing my dad who is working right now so he couldn't be here our dad came from mexico but he owns a very popular restaurant called rosy's in racine. he's created a lot of jobs for people, he works very hard and i feel like he should be represented. >> anita i want to ask you. latinos from city to city have come out in mill caulk key, jaynesville, what is it about donald trump's message that irks so many latino voters? >> he stereotypes not only mexicans but muslims, african-americans, he stereotypes us and he doesn't know us, the color of our skin doesn't tell us who we are. i'm not a rapist, i'm not a murderer, i'm a college educated woman, a member of society here
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and i want the best for all minorities and all people. i don't judge people by their color. >> that's the thing, alex, as the protests have grown, as the support has grown so has the diversity of those protesting, from latino groups, black, white, muslim groups have come out and as we've seen again, donald trump is like the broadside of a barn, you throw anything at him and it will hit it. alex? >> that's a good one. those were great interviews, appreciated their sentiments, thank you for bringing it to us, trymaine lead. next up, you'll hear from a former strategist for a donald trump super pac. why she says he never expected to be president in the first place. action flo! small business edition. oh, no! i'm up to my neck in operating costs! i'll save the day! for plumbers and bakers and scapers of lawn, she's got customized coverage you can count on. you chipped my birdbath! now you're gonna pay! not so fast! i cover more than just cars and trucks. ♪ action flo did somebody say "insurance"? children: flo!
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aligned super pac make america great again came out with an anti-trump letter on the web site xo jane and she joins me now to explain her change of heart. stephanie skelski, welcome to you. here go, i want to have you tell me first about how you got involved with trump. clarify your role in his candidacy. >> certainly. i was -- members of the campaign who were working in the very early days before he announced his candidacy, after he put together the committee to research his ability to become president, reached out to me for my consideration of helping with communications on the campaign. so i spent a number of months just talking with people within -- inside the campaign, inside the trump organization about that possibility. ultimately, i do not become the communications director for the campaign but was brought over to -- i was then asked to be
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part of the super pac and do communications for the super pac in an attempt to help support his candidacy. >> a super pac which was shut down in october amid the allegations its leader had direct ties to trump's campaign. what happened there from what you saw? were the two organizations too close? >> no. in fact, there were only two of us working on the super pac at that point in time and we were not close at all. there were ties between the gentleman that set up a super pac originally and trump's campaign manager corey lewandowski but we are very much in compliance with federal campaign finance laws, we made sure we weren't coordinating with the campaign. we did have legal counsel to make sure we were within the confines of the law. >> okay. what was the turning point for you? the moment you knew that you could not support him any more? >> the turning point for me -- it probably happened starting with the debates in november. for me, i came to be a supporter
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of his because i liked what he had to say. i liked that it was a different tone, a different series of thoughts. it was not the classic political rhetoric that we were hearing coming out of washington. i liked that he had a strong business background and thought that, you know, a fresh perspective might bring something good to this country. my problem became that he provided by no policy substance. i had hoped that by that third or fourth debate he would be able to answer those questions from moderators about whether or not he had a strong position on foreign policy or, you know, bringing jobs back to america and it was -- it just remained to be the same stump speech that he had been giving for months and there just wasn't anything there and that started to bother me and then, obviously, as i said in my letter, the events in brussels, the events in pakistan
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kind of solidified it for me because i thought here's a me who should be out there giving condolences, offering some sort of support and how can we prevent this from happening on american soil and he didn't do that. it was still "i'm the greatest, i can do -- i can fix this problem" but without substance. >> here's something interesting that you wrote. so in trump started out as simply some sort of a protest candidate, as you say, then what happened? how did he get this far? >> i think a couple of things happened. i think that he probably on some level wanted to be president. he's a very strong -- he's a very driven man. he wants to win. i think he got out there and it wasn't just people showing up to rallies but people strongly supporting him and to a certain
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extent he started saying, okay, well, i'm getting momentum, this will be good and so he very much stepped up and started really focusing on what words were working for people. so i think that that kind of changed for him and he started thinking i can do this and the polls started showing it. i sat in a meeting with michael cohen where he told me he promised donald trump to make him a number two candidate at the end of the process and get him to poll in double digits. i mean, the ultimate goal is just to have a good showing. and it just took off from there. i mean, i was stunned everyday when the poll numbers were climbing. >> it doesn't seem to sync up with a man who talks about winning all the time the number two would have been okay? >> well, i think that he was driven -- i think that he's always been driven enough to go for number one. but i think that there was some
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reality there that nobody expected: that there was this group of people, this silent majority who wanted a voice and he was their voice and they started coming out of the woodwork. he has brought more people to this process this year than either party has been able to do ever. it's incredible. >> so as you know the trump campaign has come out pretty hard against you, they say you never worked for the campaign and that you're "yet another desperate person looking for their 15 minutes." so how do you respond to that. >> you know, the statement they put out is exactly the statement i would have put out if i was working for them and they're correct. i never worked for the campaign, i never said i worked for the campaign. i worked for the super pac but i met with campaign officials before i met with the super pac. am i looking for 15 minutes? no. i'm really not. i felt very convicted about writing this letter. a reporter reached out to me last week which is what set this in motion and the out pouring of support i received for people
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who said i had strength and courage to say something against him has been overwhelming. so i don't. at the end of the day, you know, i'm happy to go home and be with my family and not ride this wave. but i feel like i did the right thing. >> so, stephanie, again, mentioning the super pac, you say that you and one other person were working there when things fell apart in october that you were following all the rules. so why did it fall apart? >> we had a series of reporters digging and digging. there had been some former trump campaign people who were let go and were disgruntled and were going to the media planting information and so the media was coming to us and it just became overwhelming because we started to look like we didn't have a leg to stand on and we didn't want our reputations at risk for that. so it was easier to just go ahead and say we're going to shut this down then to try to
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president obama wuns again weighing in on the election and criticizing donald trump on his foreign policy. here's what the president said at a news conference to close out the nuclear security summit in washington yesterday. >> what do the statements you mentioned tell us? they tell us that the person who made the statements doesn't know much about foreign policy or nuclear policy or the korean peninsula or the world generally. we don't want somebody in the oval office who doesn't recognize how important that is. >> his comments come days after trump suggested japan and south korea should develop their own
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nuclear weapons so the u.s. could pull out of asia. well, joining me now is kyron skinner, associate professor of international relations and political science at carnegie mellon university, also founding director of the institute for politics and strategy there. she is also a former gingrich campaign adviser. and with a big welcome to you, let's look back to 2008, then candidate barack obama was criticized for his foreign policy weakness. so, what strikes you most about trump's foreign policy aptitude, especially this far in the primary cycle? >> that he's saying things that are so far outside of the foreign policy convention. you just mentioned senator barack obama in 2008 campaigning for president. he was saying things that were consistent with really the foreign policy mainstream. many americans by 2008, if not earlier, had opposed the iraq war of 2003, and he talked about that in his campaign and even
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before he announced his candidacy. so, he was within the foreign policy realm. what donald trump is doing is really attempting to overturn more than a half century of conventional thinking about nuclear war and nuclear weapons. we have always said that there should not be a proliferation of nuclear weapons, and the nuclear threshold states should be encouraged, like iran, to not develop the bomb. so, when he talks about south korea and japan, two american allies for whom we've provided extended nuclear deterrents cover for many decades, developing their own weapon, it just overturns conventional thinking at a time when everyone believes that nuclear terrorism, something as president obama said at the summit, luckily has not happened. he would actually make it more possible for nuclear proliferation based on his comments. >> politico has quite a
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provocative piece out right now, and it is called "9/11: what would trump do?" and they reached out to foreign policy, counterterrorism experts, historians, including someone who in 2010 was very outspoken about the president's decision to commit more troops to afghanistan, basically saying "as a self-professed america firster, trump thinks of statecraft in terms of profit and loss, surrounding himself with advisers who are more, what's the word, seasoned, sane? might encourage trump to curb his inclinations, but who in their right mind would sign up to serve in his administration? what do you think is going on behind the scenes in this department? how would you advise him on foreign policy? >> well, i think what's going on is that trump is his foreign policy adviser. and as one of my colleagues has said years ago, 99% of getting elected is the candidate himself. advisers are advised to understand that that's exactly what they are doing. but trump is really driving, i
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think, his campaign. he has a set of kind of foreign policy and domestic policy priors that he's deeply committed to, and i think he's using advisers to help him kind of rival, hypothesize, but at the end of the day, i don't think senator jeff sessions or general keith kelly or the house counsel, the u.s. house of representatives counsel he's developed are making any of these decisions, because trump is out there often on the cuff telling americans what he thinks ought to happen in the world. and when he says, i want to think about pulling out of nato or restructuring nato, that's a major statement. i can't believe that any of his advisers would tell him to do this. now, what i would say to him is that broaden the base of foreign policy advisers that you have, listen to more alternative points of view. let's read more history and let's not make inappropriate historical comparisons, because we could end up wasting billions of dollars of american tax
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money, something he says he doesn't want to do. >> listen, technically i'm out of time, but i want to ask you, do you have a sense of how ted cruz's foreign policy compares to donald trump's? >> i think both of them have some similarities. they've talked about -- and this is where foreign policy and domestic policy kind of line up together about kind of rounding up muslims, walling off communities of people. and cruz has been in favor of some of this. i do not think it will work. it will not help us defeat isis. it will not help us find isis sympathizers. that's what our top law enforcement officers tell us. i think they would both be well advised, as i have said, to broaden the people they listen to. in the case of ted cruz, the enact he has elliott abrams as someone he's listening to i think is a good sign. he's associated with the council on foreign populatirelations in york. >> kiron skinner from carnegie mellon, thanks for weighing in.
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>> thank you. next up, the mood inside wisconsin. why republicans there are supporting ted cruz instead of john kasich, who's from a fellow big ten state.
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