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hillary doesn't love bernie. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. heavyweight bought in new york. accusing her of accusing him of not being qualified to be president. he is saying she accused him of being not qualified, because of a "washington post" headline. she is saying it wasn't her word. it was the "washington post" word. any way, this is, as you can tell, only the first round in what promises to be a 15 round bought between now and the
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tuesday after next, when both democrats face a do or die test in the new york primary. and this one actually is do or die. if hillary holds on, she keeps -- actually keeps sanders from keeping her in delegates. if hillary loses, however, all hell will break lose. how can they nominate someone in philadelphia, when they lost their house in new york. sanders attacked clinton's chief -- her readiness for the job of the here is sanders. >> she has been saying lately that she thinks that i am quote-unquote not qualified to be president. let me just say in response to secretary clinton, i don't believe that she is qualified. i don't think that you are qualified if you get $15 million from wall street through your super pac. i don't think you are qualified
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if you have voted for the disastrous war in iraq. i don't think you are qualified if you're supported virtually every disastrous trade agreement which has cost us millions of descent paying jobs. >> well, that attack elicited an immediate response from brian fallon, who said hillary clinton did not say bernie sanders was not qualified, but he has now absurdly said it about her. this is a new low. fallon also asked sanders to recant his statement, saying, quote, bernie sanders take back your words about hillary clinton. but sanders did not back off. instead, he cited the "washington post" headline that evidence that clinton attacked him first and then double down this morning. >> when you have headlines in the "washington post," quote, clinton questions whether sanders is qualified to be president, my response is, well,
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you know, if you want to question my qualifications, let me suggest this. that maybe the american people might wonder about your qualifications, madam secretary. if secretary clinton thinks that i just come from the small state of vermont, we're not used to it, we'll get used to it. i'm not going to get beaten up or lied about. >> wow. in response, pointing out that clinton did not call him unqualified. sanders is putting words in clinton's mouth that he was not qualified to be president. he can't slam her for words she did not say. i'm joined by susan page, washington borrow chief, and steve mcmahon. i brought you in here to try to figure this out. the chief thing going on here is they both need to win new york. >> it's important. it's important. you know what, there is no iowa nice in new york. new york is happy to have really
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rough and tumble politics and that's what we're going to see. >> we talked about before, maybe you can't be as definitive on the air, but it seems to me, if hillary clinton loses her home state, what happens? >> if she loses her home state, it's not mathematically, how strong a candidate would she be. >> if he loses. >> he is already not in a good position. that would put him in a worst position. it doesn't mean he'll get out. he will stay in until the end. she'll be back on track. >> i think it's got the new york residents. if you play for a new york sports team, it's coming out of new york. if bernie wins new york, it's a blockbuster. >> he is already ready to pass her nationally in the numbers. >> no question about that. also this delegate math that has an overwhelming advantage for hillary clinton, and that doesn't change whether he wins
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or not, because of proportional representation rules. he'll get huge momentum, probably nobody $50 million raised, and well-funded, but that doesn't mean the super delegates, who have worked with the clintons for a long time and just met bernie sanders this year are going to flip absent some compelling reason. >> the reason i think it's going to be the big one, hillary clinton starting two or three days ago, after you know, losing in wisconsin, has begun to realize, she has to beat this guy. she can't play with him any more. he ain't going away. she jumped into the new york daily news interview about how to get rid of the big banks, she jumped on it and say this is an example he doesn't know what he is talking about. i'm talking about bernie, quotes, headlines in, air quotes. she is saying i did not say that. why did she say that? >> here is the thing. if he hadn't done quote-unquote, and saying, he could be on more solid ground.
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if he said suggesting, because she did suggest. she refused to say he was unqualified. it was up to the voters. >> on morning joe, she wouldn't say it, but what she's saying is this guy is not what he claims to be, and the low information voter is falling for it is basically her words. >> the first is, any time we're talking about qualifications and experience, that benefits hillary clinton. any time bernie sanders is talking about that, that benefits hillary clinton. she won't say that he is unqualified. >> is she gets at his age? >> she is getting -- is she getting at his age. >> i think she's getting at the fact that -- democratic socialist, that he has -- >> not a democratic. >> small state, hasn't done much. >> why is she afraid to slam him like most politicians. trump sees somebody, he calls them little marco or big ears. >> you see the exit polls and what is happening she is getting
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destroyed with young voters, and she needs all those people and come back to the general election. she is actually straddling this very nicely. at the same time, she won't say he is qualified. let me put it another way. i would vote for him. she is triangulated this thing. >> i could beat a guy without beating him. i don't know how you beat somebody without beating them. >> i think she didn't realize until recently how serious this challenge was. she thought it would go away by now. >> republicans made the same mistake with trump. they thought they would ignore him, would he go away, bernie would be a back bench. >> the delegate math isn't there. >> they don't want to hear about it. >> what he needs to do, he needs to move it for most of the primary away from the question of experience and qualifications and over to the question of judgment. which is what he was trying to do there with his rhetorical quotes. >> he has done that before. >> if he is arguing about
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whether she is qualified, he is losing. if he is arguing about her judgment. >> judgment right on a like, in taking the -- what is it, $600,000 from goldman sachs for speaking fees. >> that's when he is at his best as a candidate. this thing about whether he is -- when he is arguing about qualifications is crazy. >> the beat goes on. hillary clinton reacted to the attack on her qualifications for office in an interview on "today". >> he doesn't think you're qualified to be president. >> well, that will be up to the voters of new york, and the other states that will be passing judgment in the weeks ahead. i think it's kind of a silly statement, but he is free to say whatever he chooses. >> he is qualified to be president. >> here is what i believe. i believe that voters will be looking at both of us, but i will take bernie sanders over donald trump or ted cruz any time. >> she is thinking of november, right. >> she should do the same thing he is doing.
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we have a totally different vision from where we should take the country. >> neither of them do that. >> hillary is something wrong to say there is something wrong with the socialist view. what's wrong with his view, if you ask her. >> it's not about whether or not he has progressive views, he clearly does. >> what's wrong with the way -- how can she say i don't like the way -- >> he is qualified to be the president. he is part of washington. he hasn't done the kinds of things, he doesn't have the kind of experience, he hasn't done this, and this, and this, which i have. >> you know what bernie will say, you took us to the war. >> bill clinton's exchange. >> any response to bernie sanders saying hillary clinton is not qualified? so silly. about what he said? what's your response, is he qualified?
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>> talk about pushy, that guy was literally in his face. she is more qualified than i ever was. >> he did. >> it's much better than lashing out. he looks and says she is so qualified. so ready. and why we can't put this guy away is absolutely beyond him, obviously. >> and they haven't been able to put him away. he generates more enthusiasm. democratic primary so far have supported him, not her. that's an amazing number. a number she has to address. >> she can't beat him down and she can't snack him down. she needs those people.
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if the republicans nominate trump, she may not need -- >> let's talk about this. look how great it is for bernie, though. he is brooklyn. he has the manner. he has it cold. it's shtick, it's great. he has a passion. he puts on, i'm not demeaning it, a show. >> he does. >> hillary clinton doesn't. >> he did. it was classic brooklyn. >> you don't go see a hillary clinton speech to get excited. you maybe learn some things. >> the debate will be in brooklyn, she is sort of in a -- she has come to new york, but you know what, he'll see like the mets. she'll look like the yankee. come on, brooklyn wins. >> you think i'm stupid, you're stupider. that's what is going on right now. >> joe pesci. >> she's unqualified. >> he doesn't know what a token is. he thinks they're still using
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tokens. we're talking like this now. thank you, susan. round one. we've got 14 rounds to go. donald trump pinning his rebound, new york mayor, america's mayor, rudy giuliani supporting trump. the battle, how will it hurt hillary clinton come november. the round table here tonight, with something i don't know about. any way, this wild presidential race as we head into the new york primary, as we said. finally, let me finish with a presidential contest that has narrowed to a narrow multiple choice. no more free choice. just multiple choice. this is "hardball," the place for politics. we needed 30 new hires for our call center. i'm spending too much time hiring and not enough time in my kitchen. (announcer) need to hire fast? go to and post your job to over 100 of the web's leading job boards
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we've got new numbers out of pennsylvania where primary voters will go to the polls in less than three weeks. let's look at the scoreboard. according to a quinnipiac poll, hillary clinton holds a six point lead over bernie sanders among likely democratic voters. it's clinton 50, sanders 44%.
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(inhales cigarette) welcome back to "hardball" and to the other match. donald trump picked up the support of bold print new yorker, the new york post reported today that former new york mayor, rudy giuliani backing donald trump. he said i support trump, i'm going to vote for trump. this is giuliani speaking. if he wins 70 to 80 delegates. donald has a good chance of securing the nomination before the convention. giuliani said ted cruz's comments blasting new york values colleen, michael, this battle, tell me about this.
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>> it's pretty big there, chris. i think he kind of put the exclamation point on that whole saga with cruz and this narrative about new york values. that comment by the mayor, really sends a signal across the state that we're going to bind ourselves together to stand behind the guy who is going to go to battle for our new york values. and i think it's an important lift for trump coming off of a very tough battle in wisconsin to roll into his home turf to have the kind of night he had last night, so great sound out of that event. and then today, to sort of roll into this event with the mayor supporting him. i think it's a good day and a good way to start his time in new york.
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>> it also tells me that a lot of republicans in new york have new york values, including giuliani, for example, they're secular in their politics, they don't use religion as their battle flag. >> right, absolutely. >> that's -- what do you think. >> right. they have new york values, and they have long memories, and they -- >> touchy. >> what ted cruz said, you saw ted cruz go to new york and try to kind of explain that in a new way and said i might have said that, but i was talking about the democrats, and you know what the democrats think in new york. he was not warmly received when he arrived there. >> i mean, gary hart, remember gary hart, a gay group out in l.a., he told an aesthetic joke, he said he would rather be here than new jersey. my dad goes oh, you're making fun of my state.
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that's nice. the people in l.a. loved it and people loved what cruz said when he was trashing new york with the country mice. >> you're not in new york, people are saying yeah, i'm with you on that. but back, when you need to come back into the state, it's a very different feeling as we've seen from the coverage and the newspapers, and certainly the welcome he has gotten from people on the street. this will be a tough slog for him. you're looking at right now, john kasich is seven, eight points above him in new york city. so this tells you, it's going to be a tough roll for him. it reminded me a little bit of president obama, then candidate obama, sort of mocking those values in pennsylvania. those gods and gun values. so these types of things for these candidates -- >> great example. >> yeah. >> michael, you've done it again. because sitting up in, you know, russian hill or knob hill with a bunch of liberal democrats in
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san francisco, the president talked about those people, they're so scared, they have to cling to their guns and their bible, their religion. by the time you get back to pennsylvania, they remember. they remember. didn't you say -- let me ask you about rudy giuliani, like we all do in this world, try to figure it out and scope it out. i figured when fall comes, if hillary is the nominee, her best surrogate will be president obama. he'll be out there pounding. i'm watching rudy giuliani come onto the field. he has a little mud on the uniform. he has been there. he comes out, you know, colleen, respond to this. he comes out, he is the guy that takes the shot at the president. the president takes a condescending shot, you know how he does it, he makes fun of the guy. he come as long and punches him in the note. rudy will be part of the fight. how can he lose? why wouldn't rudy want to fight the president. you always punch up? >> he would relish the fight. but his endorsement wasn't a
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resounding endorsement. >> he said i'm going to vote for him. >> it may not even be an endorsement. >> why doing "the new york times" nuance here? >> he is willing to stand behind him. >> what's the difference between endorse and support. dipping his toe into the 2016 waters by correcting records, specifically the inaccuracies of donald trump. president obama responded to a question about trump's plan to end remittances to mexico to pay for a border wall. let's listen. >> i am getting questions constantly from foreign leaders about some of the whackier suggestions being made. it's not just mr. trump's proposals. you're also hearing concerns
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about mr. cruz's proposals, which are in some ways just are geroconian. treat these problems seriously. they don't expect half-baked notions coming out of the white house. >> did you see that laugh in his face. maybe i'm seeing it lately. he has a little laugh when he does that. he has demonstrated frustration being processed by the 2016 republican candidates, seeking to replace him in the white house. here he is again. >> the implications with respect to ending remittance, many of which by the way are from legal immigrants, and from individuals who are sending money back to their families, are enormous. first of all, they're impractical. we just talked about the difficulties of trying to enforce huge outflows of capitol.
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the notion that we're going to track every western union, you know, bit of money that's being sent to mexico, you know, good luck with that. but this is just one more example of something that is not thought through and is primarily put forward for political consumption. >> colleen, when we talked a moment, the segment before about using the word not qualified, now, whacky. he refers to whacky thoughts of the republican side. >> right. these are things -- >> whacky means you've got a mental problem. >> they've gone all in publicly on this. it serves a few different purposes for obama. one, it certainly helps the future democratic nominee. the general election fight. but at the same time, the white house really enjoys drawing this contrast between trump and kind of waiving his arms and
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proposing these ideas and versus obama, who you can -- >> michael, tap this fight. i grew up with tom dewey making fun of fdr. so this condescending work or does trump start banging at you. if obama is condescending and trump is a wise guy, who wins? >> the battle fire towards him a little bit, because he is the one in office. on his way out. he has the mantle of the white house. he can hit back with and probably hit back in a way that hillary clinton could not. so there is that. but here is the danger. donald trump is an a symmetrical player. he is going to hit you. the white house wants to be very careful if they open up this pandora's box with them, because he has no problem to show how
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disastrous both are together for the united states. so i think the president wants to be a little bit cute, you talked about the smirk there. he wants to show he has this connection with foreign leaders asking him about donald trump and ted cruz. but the reality is, they don't want to walk too deeply in this. there are some snakes they don't want to get bitten by either. >> it is so interesting, when the president could stay too cool for school, somebody like trump. i don't know how you out aloof trump. thank you very much, michael steele. thank you, colleen mccain nelson of the "wall street journal." up next, the "hardball" round table for the top story of the night, the all out fight broken out in new york, between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. we call them hillary and bill. i don't know how -- no, it's bernie and hillary. any way, this is "hardball," the place for politics.
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when you have headlines in the "washington post," quote, clinton questions whether sanders is qualified to be president, my response is, well, you know if you want to question my qualifications, let me suggest this. that maybe the american people might wonder about your qualifications, madam secretary. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was senator bernie sanders going after hillary clinton earlier today in philadelphia. senator sanders was referencing a headline in the "washington post" that red clinton questions whether sanders is qualified to be president. ahead of the new york primary on april 19th now, clinton and sanders are battling out for every voted. clinton brushed them off as silly and reminded new york voters of her ties to the state. >> i love new york. and i just many thrilled to have
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the time to spend here and see my friends and people i've worked with. and looking forward to the primary. >> well i'm joined by the round table tonight, "washington post" political reporter, ann gearon, political column knit dana mill bank and covered sanders in philadelphia earlier today. let me talk about that amazing thing. first of all, sanders is engaging in what i like to call a good political tactic. a tack from a defensive position. i didn't start the fight but i'm going to defend myself and knock her head off while i'm doing it. >> he said she started it, but hey, now that we're here, i'm going to give as good as i get. and -- >> i'm not going to get beat off is his phrase. >> he says i'm not going to -- >> neither one of them backed down today. >> they both want a fight. dana, i think this is a reality. they got along three months ago
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or whatever, because hillary thought she had it won. he is not quitting. she knows if she loses new york, it's going to be one horrific summer. she'll have to live down having lost new york, even if she weeks it out in delegates. >> she definitely has to. i like what i'm seeing here. this is what a political campaign is supposed to be. oh, my goodness, they're attacking each other and operate under these marquee of queens berry rules. >> mappy panby. >> he is being legitimate. >> i agree. >> so they want a fight. let's just talk. they want to fight. it's like the middle east. don't tell me, even the kids in the back seat. they like to fight. bernie wants to sh he has gusto, and she has to take about back that she is willing to fight for it. >> sanders should have been
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taking this position the entire time. he shouldn't have been being so nice to her, he shouldn't have been saying, oh, no one cares about your e-mails. he shouldn't have been saying any of those things. he should have attacked her -- >> who wrote that piece, they fought this this from the beginning, it would have been different. >> this could have been completely different. she has been suggesting that he is not qualified. >> did you know at the time that senator sanders said enough about the accent, enough about the e-mails, he had basically kissed off the image of being a real contender and looked like a protest candidate. that's what i thought that. i'm not going to win this thing. i'm going to win on principle. >> when a candidate says that's how they're going to win, but as we've seen in politics, it doesn't work. >> hillary would not have said enough about the e-mails. if it was bernie's e-mails
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problems. do you agree with me. hillary would have run and grabbed it. >> she would have done a version of what she is doing here, right. >> stick it. grab what you can. >> something in the air, and she is going to take it, use it, and argue it to the best she can from her side. i just thought, you know, i agree with dana, like this is actually useful. it may not be pretty, but it's actually getting -- >> more loaded for bearer. who wants to fight more than the other person wants to fight. does senator sanders want this to be vigorous. >> certainly sanders does, it makes him viable again. he sees the possibility of momentum, even if he actually -- >> gets bigger crowds. >> he is still not saying hillary, you're liar, you're going to be indicted, i care about your e-mails. to his credit, this is all above board. go after her credibility, that's completely legitimate. >> what you have to do to be president. i mean, this is a job interview, and they should be arguing about what you should have as your list of -- >> you don't like he has some
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oldies but goodies. and he says and your judgment about the iraq war. he always pulls that out. no matter what she fights about. and the iraq war. >> he has that one in his back pocket. >> it's there. it has been hillary's -- >> brooklyn. >> $600,000 in speeches, they must be really good speeches. it's funny when he does it. any way, sanders campaign says he will not become a punching bag for hillary clinton. sanders will not go without a fight against what he predicts will be become increasingly negative campaign against him. let's take a listen. >> i do have respect for secretary clinton. i don't know who in her campaign comes one these brilliant ideas. all i'm saying is i'm not going to go into new york. you know, i know they're getting nervous. they lost seven out of the last eight caucuses and primaries, and i know everyday, they gather a new approach.
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their approach, again, a quote from cnn, a quote, disqualify him, defeat him, and unify the party later. that sounds to me like they're ready to run a negative campaign. >> i love it. i think the guy has gotten good at this narration. describing the fight the way that looks good to his younger audience, spawn for a fight against the old guard. >> well, i mean, what is the main currency he has right now, right. he has young people, momentum, he's got money. those are important things. they're not delegates. so he has to keep those things in play. he's got to keep the people coming. >> the moment is better for him. the numbers are better for her. >> they're in new york. they love a scrap. this isn't wisconsin nice any more. >> let's explain that. my understanding of new york media is that it's always radio. every time you get in a cab up there, the guy has got their radio on. it's another knifing or some terrible thing. something up in here and something up in the bronx, something else is going on.
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action. it's like a pinball machine. boom, boom, boom. ed koch, there would always be something going on. radio has to refresh every two hours. a new sound bite, what did they call that, give them some more type, more tape, they'll use it. so every two hours, is there a whole new story in new york. >> infuriating the clinton camp recently is that bernie sanders is very good about flipping the script. let's go to the debate, for instance, about saying no, this is her fault. i've thrown out days, she doesn't want to debate. >> she threw out monday night, which was absurd. nobody is going to watch that. >> villanova and north carolina, they're not going to watch those two. >> most of the way through that, he was winning the argument, because he does a good job of framing the argument. >> she did a good job today, going out there and actually walking the streets. >> he did have a token. >> and took her a while to get into the subway, but she did
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bring the story back to herself and the attention back to herself. and cast light on something he didn't want to. he hasn't ridden the subway in a long time. >> rockefeller, loaded beyond believe. he says i've been in that phone booths, remember them, he said i've been in there a half hour and can't make it work. it won't take my nickel. he wasn't aware it went up to a dime. so these guys are not really that connected, even bernie. >> well, right. probably hadn't -- >> let's talk trump for a minute. every night, i go through this with my progressive friends. why did you put on trump for five minutes. how come you dipped in. why show anything. they watch it. you never know what the audience says. but trump was on his game last night.
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he had a bad week last week. he came back with a direct personal assault on cruz for that new york values line. he stood right there. he scorned us. he hates us. us. right. pretty smart. >> it is. he is back to the politics of uniting around himself, which is a particular gift that he has displayed throughout this campaign, and that i think a lot of people underestimated at the beginning. you put your finger on how he does that. it's -- he collects people, and then he points to other. >> are they rooting for him, the construction guys rooting for trump. >> right, because it's that or what, the other two guys aren't really -- >> or hillary. >> yeah, i know. >> what can they do? >> the hard hat guys for trump, hey, donald, we don't call him donald. >> i think a lot of people are excited about the idea of trump or bernie sanders, because they aren't the establishment. they are the kind of people they think will go out there.
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>> who is the mets and yankees. is bernie the mets? >> yeah. >> probably brooklyn dodgers. >> brooklyn dodgers, and i mean the kid from forest hills is your mets fan in the gang. >> who is that. >> trump. >> yeah, bernie, did he leave new york before the bums left. >> no, he was there for the brooklyn dodgers. up next, these guys will tell me something i don't know. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.
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welcome back to "hardball." ann, tell me something i don't know. >> well, actually my colleague, my "washington post" colleague, john wagner, has an interview with bernie sanders that will be out this hour, in which sanders says that he believes that this fight and the current tenor of the democratic race is going to make it harder to unite the party in the fall. and he regrets that. but he doesn't regret what he said. >> wow. okay. >> all right, you've heard about
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this. >> he doesn't regret having said -- >> i don't think it will be as bad as the republican. >> we've heard, less hear from other blue states. the satisfaction gap. when you asked democratic voters how pleased they would be with hillary clinton, pretty close to 80% say they would be satisfied. ask them about the republican voters, huge satisfaction gap, even if the republicans have an enthusiasm gap. >> you have blue eyes and talking about the blue states. that's interesting. >> we've been talking about this. hillary clinton, bernie sanders spat. however, one thing that's been way overlooked is that recently, hillary clinton has been broadening her attacks to include ted cruz, and not just donald trump. she has been hitting ted cruz by name in her speeches.
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>> why. >> possibly because she thinks trump won't be the nominee because in the republican race, ted cruz has a chance. >> you know else who did that? the president in the chip we showed earlier. if he said whacky, he said it's not just trump. >> she has been saying other republicans. she has been specifically saying ted cruz by name over the last week. >> interesting. any way, thank you for the round table. ann when we come back, what makes a southerner particular. i've got a great guest to answer it next. this is "hardball," the place for politics. you can get any large pizza with up to five toppings pile on your favorites with up to five toppings for just $9.99 better ingredients. better pizza.
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back now to those races in pennsylvania. republicans have not won the state since george h.w. bush back in 1988. but now the keystone state could be in play for republicans in 2016. let's go to the "hardball" scoreboard. according to the same quinnipiac poll are we mentioned earlier, they're locked in a close battle in pennsylvania. hillary clinton just edging donald trump, 45% to 42%. surprisingly, hillary fairs worst with cruz. both at 43%. kasich's claim of electability, kasich crushes clinton by 51% to 35%. as has been the case in many other contests, bernie sanders fares better in all matchups. eight point spread.
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sanders 48, trump 40. sanders' luck runs out with a kasich. kasich 46, sanders 40. we'll be right back.
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we're back. you're listening to bach right now playing by a concert pianist. i brought in man of the south from mississippi to explain it. mississippi native is a world renowned pianist. you grew up in the south. that was you playing now.
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the other night i said, i don't understand all this rural thing. i'm a suburban city guy. what is it that you know that i don't know that led to -- you wrote this book about marie hall, a portrait painter who in the earlier part of the 20th century was making beautiful portraits of african-american people, a white woman. >> all kinds of people. she painted african-americans and white people and rich people and treated everybody equally. she did that in the 1930s. she was a visionary. there was something she grew up in small town, a rural town. i'm from the mississippi delta. it's bit north of there. that's the farming area of the mississippi river. something about growing up in a
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small town, every one knows every one. class is much less delineated than people think. >> there's the person with the house on the hill, the money person. >> that exists and existed. even so, people all talk to one another and in order for communities like that to function, you have to talk to people. when you talk to people, you get to know them. that reenforces values. it's a sense of community. also a sense of caring about people. as i grew up, i would visit, i think of an elderly judge, lady that had gone to colombia. she was remarkable. she said i'm going to go and get an education. at that time people didn't go to la -- law school. >> what's it like being a liberal these days as opposed to her days?
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>> i think not totally liberal. i think of myself as pretty independent. i'm raging moderate about some things. some things i think of myself rather fiscally responsible. certainly socially progressive. people get to know you and talk to you are pretty open about your ideas. >> there's still southern courtesy? >> sure.
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>> name of the book is "bright fields." a great coffee table book. when we return, let me finish with a presidential contests that now narrowed to a multiple choice. a very narrow choice. you're watching hardball, the place for politics. r call cente. i'm spending too much time hiring and not enough time in my kitchen. (announcer) need to hire fast? go to and post your job to over 100 of the web's leading job boards with a single click. then simply select the best candidates from one easy to review list. you put up one post and the next day you have all these candidates. makes my job a lot easier. (announcer) over 400,000 businesses have already used ziprecruiter. and now you can use ziprecruiter for free. go to
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let me finish with this. i once heard a georgetown university professor tell the difference between free will and free choice. free will is when your options for action are wide ranging. free choice is when you're stuck in a set number of options like in a multiple choice test. at this point, we voters are looking at free choice. those are the only four who can arrive at the conventions with enough delegates to win. as crazy as this election season has come, it's met the goal of eliminating the options. trump's done a good job of narrowing his alternatives. hillary clinton is not so lucky. bernie sanders turns out to have a lot more mojo than anyone including hillary or me expected. the beauty of the primary system is it does work. we have pair of alternatives on both sides, trump or cruz,
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bernie or hillary. it's no longer a matter of free will but free choice. time to pick your pony. "all in" chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in. >> if i'm going to be attacked for being unqualified, i'll respond in quiet. >> the democratic race becomes an unqualified brawl. >> look, i don't know why he's saying that. >> secretary clinton responds and the sanders camp escalates. >> really made a deal with the deal and the devil wants his due. >> what this fight means for bernie versus hillary. why bill clinton's clash with protesters could have major impact on the race. >> donald trump gets series about the delegate race, but is he too late. as with uncandidate gets the meat sweats.


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