tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC April 8, 2016 12:00am-1:01am PDT
bernie or hillary. it's no longer a matter of free will but free choice. time to pick your pony. "all in" chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in. >> if i'm going to be attacked for being unqualified, i'll respond in quiet. >> the democratic race becomes an unqualified brawl. >> look, i don't know why he's saying that. >> secretary clinton responds and the sanders camp escalates. >> really made a deal with the deal and the devil wants his due. >> what this fight means for bernie versus hillary. why bill clinton's clash with protesters could have major impact on the race. >> donald trump gets series about the delegate race, but is he too late. as with uncandidate gets the meat sweats.
another get a bronx cheer, a reminder of whatnot to do when campaigning in new york's outer burroughs. >> what are you going to do for us? >> i'm trying to tell you. >> when "all in" starts now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. what had until this week been a fairly respectful and restrained race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders has broken wide open with the two candidates engaged in an ugly battle who is qualified to be president, the campaigns arguing about who is responsibility. last night sanders unleashed this attack on clinton. >> she's been saying, lately, that she thinks i'm quote, unquote, not qualified to be president. [ boos ]
well, let me just say in response to secretary clinton, i don't believe that she is qualified if she is -- [ cheers and applause ] if she is through her super pac taking tens of millions of dollars in special interests. >> sanders went onto tick off other aspects of his rival's record to argue she's not qualified. comments generated a huge amount of controversy. sanders claimed clinton had been saying she thinks i'm quote, unquote, not qualified to be president. as many has been point out that clinton said never he was not qualified. here is the genesis. cnn said this about the clinton campaign strategy for sanders.
>> the reality is they're running out of patience. they will begin deploying a news strategy. it's going to be called disqualify him, defeat him and they can unify the party later. >> the following morning on this network, hillary clinton was asked if sanders was qualified or ready to be president. she never explicitly called sanders unqualified. she did intimate he might be. >> he'd been talking for more than a year about doing things that he, obviously, hadn't really studied or understood. that does raise a lot of questions. >> those comments led to a washington post headline reading clinton questions whether sanders is qualified to be president, which is completely accurate since she was questioned. sanders cited the cnn report and the washington post headline to back up his claim. >> the washington post had a headline that said, quote,
clinton questions whether sanders is qualified to be president. end of quote. that's what was thrown at me. she has attacked me for being unqualified. if i'm going to be attacked for being unqualified, i will respond in quiet. this is a quote from cnn. quote, disqualify him, defeat him and unify the party later. that sounds like they are ready to run a very negative campaign. >> sanders reiterated his attacks on clinton's own qualifications to be president. >> if you want to question my qualifications, let me suggest this. maybe the american people might wonder about your qualification, when you voted for the war in iraq, the most disasterous foreign policy blunder in the modern history of america. people might want to wonder about your qualifications when you supported every trade agreement. >> clinton camp called this a
new law and noted the position would disqualify president obama. president obama did not support the iraq war. the white house said president obama thinks clinton is qualified to be president. speaking to reporters in the bronx, clinton called sanders criticism silly. >> it's a silly thing to say. i'm going to trust the voters of new york who know me and have voted for me three times. twice for senate, once in the presidential primary. look, i didn't -- i don't know why he's saying that. i will take bernie sanders over donald trump or ted cruz any time. >> joining me now is former philadelphia mayor who has endorsed hillary clinton. let me start with you. what do you make of this? i make that both senator clinton and senator sanders are qualified to be president of the united states. the nation, on the other hand, endorsed senator sanders because we believe his issues are important for the country at this time. boldness is what is demanded. we agree with what she said, no
that she's disqualified but the vote for the iraq war, the super pacs, the failure to be bolder on health care and all these issues suggest that senator sanders is the candidate for this time. they are going to need both -- they both are going need each other moving forward. the fight should be who can win in these primaries and who can drive issues into a convention. she's going to come into that convention. he's going to come in with a lot of delegates. >> here's the point. the point is the reason people reacted so strongly to that language is it sounds sort of dangerously close to the never trump folks on the other side. >> in the nation endorsement, secretary clinton is a person of great intelligence, grit, strength and experience.
there's experience and judgment. on iraq it was a poor judgment. >> that's different than not qualified. >> it's different than not qualified. i will also point you're heading into new york city, new york state, the primary. it's the media capital of the world. note how the media is driving the conflict the senator sanders is a great critic of the media. she should not take the bait. both need to speak about what people seek from them. he's a special candidate. he's a tribune for the issues of our time. >> it does seem like this is a game of telephone gone awry. you have the senator citing this washington post and cnn things
which appears to characterize a thing she didn't say. it's much ado about nothing. >> i think we can blame it all on the washington post. they clearly got it wrong. bernie sanders said he took it from the washington post. it's all the post's fault. i agree with katrina on a lot of things. they should take a deep breath and remember why they got in this case. they got in the race because americans aren't getting paid for what they are worth. we don't have a health care system that's doing all it should be doing. our infrastructure is crumbling under our feet. there's so many problems that's why they are running for president. that's why they ran for president. bernie sanders said today, i guarantee you it will be in an
ad that the republicans play. i admire his vision in raising issues. there's no real path to the nomination. i'm going to vote for who has the highest amount of popular votes and ddelegates. that's going to be hillary clinton. hillary clinton shouldn't attack bernie sanders. whoever gave her that advice last night that cnn wrote, they should be fired. she should not do anything that upsets the sanders voters. we'll need most of them in fall. >> i know you want to respond to his note on the path to nomination. >> i want to respond on the issues. there are serious issue differences between the two candidates. i think we're witnessing a battle for the soul of the democratic party. i think what we're witnessing is a revolt inside the democratic party.
senator clinton isn't sure how to respond to that except through attacks. i think going into the convention it's going to be important. you need the enthuiasm and mobilization of both wings. i would not never say never with senator sanders. i don't believe the polls are that predictable. >> they're tied. >> let me say this. i think it's oscillated between some attacks and endorsements. here's the problem. i think about this when you fight with someone you love, which is the point is never to say something you can't unsay. you never want the thing to km out of your mouth that you can't say. >> if you look at her record,
her campaign is funded by millions of dollars from wall street and other special interests. she made a deal with the devil and we know the devil wants the campaign in the end. she's supported the war in iraq. she continues to have a hawkish foreign policy which led to the rise and expansion of isis throughout the middle east. >> all of that is fairly standard except for that deal with the devil line. >> she is taking pac money. here's the bottom line. president obama took wall street money. didn't make someone that didn't fight for individuals. number two, jeff weaver on a commercial.
our two leading candidates who have the same basic goals. they have the same basic goals should try to accentuate their differences on policy but not get personal and not give the republicans any fodder. >> there are major policy differences. those differences come when you're tethered to the big money we have seen in the country. the policies that are lifted up are narrow. senator sanders shown another
kind of politics is possible. the enthusiasm he's brought to this race will be needed. >> i want to respond to that real quick. when hillary clinton was a senator, she took plenty of money from wall street. yet she supported dodd-frank very vocally which wall street hated. you can take money and not do their bidding. i did it my entire political career. >> you're more liberated. you don't take the big money. i hope senator sanders shows a model for other candidates. until we're liberated from the industrial, wall street consultant, contractor complex, issues that are important to millions of people that will help their lives. it's more wall street. >> dodd-frank is watered down by so many lobbyists. >> they fought tooth and nail.
>> they fought it and henpecked it. there's a truth on each side. >> they pledged to repeal it. >> they haven't yet. thank you, both. still ahead, a former wisconsin republican staffer intent on the voter id lines that snarled lines. he joins me ahead. you don't want to miss that. first, a bill clinton event is interrupted by black lives matter protesters. his response is, you'll see it yourself. do not go anywhere. when a moment turns romantic why pause to take a pill?
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minutes. there were extended periods with the protesters listened to his responses. after his repeat request they hear what he had to say. at other times, things got heated and his frustration showed. here's what happened. let's just tell the whole story. when i became president, the headlines in the newspaper were full of -- wait a minute. i listened to you. you listen to me. i don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out on the street to murder other african-american children. maybe you thought they were good citizens. she didn't. she didn't. you can defending the people who say the lives matter. you are defending the people who cause young people to go out and take guns. there was a 13-year-old girl in
washington, d.c. who was planning her own photos. how would you do it? i'll tell you another story about place where black lives matter. africa. the first thing she did as secretary of state was triple the number of people in africa who lives we were saving from aids by going to all low cost priced drugs. >> there's a whole lot to impact about what transpired there. joy reid. just your initial reaction. >> something might not be getting booked on as many hillary clinton events in the next little while. over the course of his political career where he's been credited with this superb politician. a lot more of his id. >> his political id has begun to show. his entire presidency has begun to be relitigated. where almost every decision he made whether it's on don't ask,
don't tell or criminal justice reform in the crime bill, it's all being thrown in the air and batted around by democrats. i think he's not in a place where emotionally he's ready to deal with that. >> there's two things in particular, welfare reform and the crime bill. the crime bill was the great accomplishment. crime goes crazy from about '89 to '93 and the crime bill gets pass and crime drops. the data showed the two had nothing to do with each other. crime started to fall before the bill. it's the case that mass incarceration is not a product of that bill. what's striking to me is that rhetoric. the part about the hopped up on crack. take a listen. >> i don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out into the street to murder other african-american children.
maybe you thought they were good citizens. she didn't. she didn't. you are defending the people who killed the lives you say matter. tell the truth. >> that was the kind of rhetoric of 1994. >> that's right. >> we don't, i think it's a huge progress that we don't use that rhetoric anymore because that rhetoric was very dehumanizing and very dangerous and the 13-year-old hopped up on crack and the central park jogger menace and super predators and the language about the monsters that's coming. it's jarring to hear someone use that in 2016. >> he comes into office at debut of the crack epidemic error. it was a difficult time. big city mayors, pastors were begging for help. >> sometimes using rhetoric just like that. >> '94, the oj trial.
it's like the hit show now. this was happening then. people trying the explain how a celebrity, who they all thought they knew could have committed the murders. democrats were making those kinds of claims. >> has hillary clinton and bill really moved on this issue or is this a con/how much is hillary clinton tied to that crime bill? he ties her to the crime bill. she doesn't believe that. that's a very definitive statement that she didn't sign. >> she didn't sign it. she did defend it.
first ladies defend their husbands. she's made statements that she's walked back. hillary clinton has, herself, repudiated that. she's said in that video where she's talking about super med predators that she repudiated it. bill clinton is not up to speed on his wife's machine. everyone saying i have nothing to do with that. >> thank you very much. still to come, the trump campaign shows signs of strategizing. one of the best parts of
one of the best parts of this troubling primary season is candidates going to places that rarely get attention. john kasich in the bronx today as part of his new york swing. at this point it's unclear whether he went to my hometown for the votes or the food. >> beautiful. >> three types of meat. carrots, celery. >> grandma's recipe. >> that's what it's all about in the bronx. >> after finishing his first plate of pasta in the bronx, the governor of ohio asked for another helping gently scolding the owner for not giving him enough. his enthuiasm said i think kasich is enjoying the bronx. from there he tried a little vino after initially rejecting the offer. it was like noon on a workday
but he went in for the drink. he finished off his meal with some fresh pasta and a beautiful canolli to go. after the intense lunch, he wiped the sweat from his brow. he was on his way. that's how you do the bronx. we'll show you what went down on the ted cruz version of the bronx. it wasn't as good as kasich. >> i'm trying to tell you that i know now there's no program or promise that a president can make that the federal government can come in and wave a wand and do this.
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the system is not a good system. when you take louisiana, i went to louisiana, i campaigned there. i won the state. now the numbers come out, and i have less delegates than cruz. that's not the american way. because of our rules and a lot of none sense, i get a few less delegates than cruz. that's not the way the system works. >> imagine being donald trump thinking all he had to do to win was to get people to vote for you. only to discover the process is more complicated than that. each state setting up its own rules to choose delegates who elected, officially, the nominee.
trump was so upset that rules may let ted cruz pick up a few extra delegates over him that he threatened to sue. at an april 1st meeting, chairman priebus tried to explain how exactly things work. according to new york times account of the meeting, mr. trump turned to his aides and suggested they had not been doing. do i have a good delegate team? what else should i do? even after attending gop nominations 101, there's sign he's struggling with the delegate process. in colorado they don't play part at all. trump's point person was fired and a colorado gop chair said there doesn't seem to be any trump organization at all. ted cruz is already managed to sweep two congressional districts picking up six delegates. he's being out maneuvered in arizona where he won all 58
delegates on march 22nd. the delegates are bound to vote for him at the convention in cleveland. if trump falls short of the delegates to win, they are free to vote for whoever they want, which is why the cruz campaign has been recruiting candidates for the 55 open delegate slots as undercover agents who would turn on trump at first ballot. trump hired a veteran operative to head up his delegate efforts. according to result approximate reports he was raising grave concerns, threatening to quit over a power struggle with his campaign manager, corey lewandaski. let me get your reaction to something roger stone.
he's not part of the campaign early on. he's an ally of donald trump. this was his strategy for persuading unbound delegates. take a listen. >> we're going to have protests, demonstrations. we will disclose the hotels and the room numbers of those delegates who are directly involved in the steal. if you're from pennsylvania, we'll tell you who the culprits are. we urge you to visit their hotel and find them. >> what do you think of that idea? >> probably not a good idea. i admire the passion. >> okay. would you say we don't want you going to the room. to persuade them? >> i don't think there's much
chance of that happening. >> here's the bigger question. donald trump has used the word steal. people around have used steal. it's not stealing. it's just the way this thing works, right? >> yeah. 1237 earned delegates. that's the deal. if one guy gets to 1230, he has five million more votes than everybody else, 500 more delegates than everybody else. if you give the nomination to somebody who didn't run at all, people are going to be sore about that. that's just a factor of life. >> didn't someone who didn't run at all, that wouldn't be cruz who does seem to be hustling pretty well to get his people placed in cleveland. >> the party is never going to
elect ted cruz on a down ballot race. shoons -- as soon as they are free, they will nominate their person. >> it seems they hate you and using you as a vessel to stop donald trump from getting 1237. once they do that, why are they going to give it to you. you think the same thing? >> ted cruz will take fewer votes on the second ballot than the first. he's their trojan horse. they don't care about ted cruz. once they get to cleveland, it will be ted who? >> who is in the back of their mind?
who are they trying to place there? >> it's a rubio or ryan or romney. >> you really think that? >> yeah, sure. >> how are you going stop that from happening? i know the answer is get 1237, u be if you can't. >> once you get to 1237, you're at 1600 because everybody was with you secretly. you can make enough deals to get there. >> what will the deals look like? >> come to my state and raise money for my party. typically state parties need funding. will you speak at our lincoln day. that kind of stuff. it's horribly unsexy. there's no way to establishment
has decided ted cruz, that we've hated for the last six years, he's not so bad. not happening. >> i tend to be with you on that. thank you very much. >> thank you. we saw the results of voter id laws. i'll speak with a former wisconsin gop staffer to say the voter id laws were made to suppress voters. that's ahead.
>> you're not allowed in the bronx. get out of bronx. >> just to be clear. that woman is saying do you have your bronx visa? you're not allowed in the bronx. >> why do you come to the bronx, an immigrant community with such an anti-immigrant stance? >> we're a country of immigrants. >> why do you say climate change doesn't exist? >> it's not likely the trip he planned. he is following the footstep of his idle. ted cruz got shouted at while ronald reagan did the shouting. we'll show you that footage in just 60 seconds. he was not greeted with open
about getting the economy moving and using tax incentives to lure business back to the inner cities, a crowd of young people chanted and booed him. reagan finally waded into the crowd to try to talk. >> right now in congress, we have -- >> what are you going to do for us? >> i'm trying to tell you. >> what can you? >> i am trying to tell you that i know now there is no program or promise that a president can make that the federal government can come in and wave a wand and do this. if you will listen for a minute, what i'm trying to tell you is i can't do a thing for you if i don't get elected. >> what are you going to do any way but make promises? >> reagan urged the hecklers to look at his record as governor. on the plane to chicago he talked about the confrontation.
>> we were driving away and you think of them back there in all that ugliness and they've got no place to go. they have no jobs. not going to school and all that's left is so sit there and look what the we just saw. >> all that ugliness. rojds reagan won by a land slide. in the bronx he managed to lose by 34 points. we needed 30 new hires for our call center.
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we make it easy to vote, but we make it hard to cheat. in our state you need a driver's license. you can get a state issued id card for free at our dmv offices. if you're a veteran, you can use your veteran card. we make it easy to vote. >> that's governor scott walker describing the voter id law. the promise is it's not
necessarily that easy. try getting a free id card for the dmv if you're in sauk city, wisconsin where the office is open only on the fifth wednesday of any month. only four months have five wednesdays. you have to make the 24-mile drive to the dmv in madison if you can't make it. what can seal small inconveniences like that are enough to get people from getting an id. why the republican-led wisconsin legislature institute a voter id requirement? did it have something to do with the fact that it affects people of color and student who is are most likely to vote for democrats. glen seemed to admit the goal. >> you know a lot of republican, since 1984, have not been able to win in wisconsin. why would it be any different
for ted cruz or a donald trump? >> i think hillary clinton is about the weakest candidate the democrats have put up and now we have photo id. i think photo will make a bit of a difference as well. >> he was booked twice for this show today and yesterday. both times he cancelled the today we got another window into why they passed this law. he served as chief of staff to a republican state senator in wisconsin. he said he was there when the law was conceived in 2011. he said you want to know why i left the republican party as it exists today. i was in the closed senate republican caucus when voter id bills were discussed. a handful were giddy about the ramifications and lit rally singled out the prospect of people of color. why did you feel compelled to write about this experience?
>> hey, chris. honestly, it was out of frustration. you kind of forget after you're out of capitol building how this all works. it became one of my employees, a young man who moved out here from california late last year. 21-year-old, 22-year-old guy and never really been active in politics before. he was feeling the bern and went to register the day before and found out, i'm a guy who has to work in the capitol, i didn't know in wisconsin you have to have either your original birth certificate, naturalization paper or valid u.s. passport in order to get a driver's license. if you move to platville, wisconsin, 15 miles across the mississippi river, you can't take your iowa license and change it out. you have to take out the birth certificate. it's back in orange county, california.
that's not going to get there in a day. he couldn't vote. it ticked me off. i was there when this wacky bill was conceived. i saw the real world ramification. it really bothered me. it really ticked me off. i put on my facebook post and here i am talking to you. >> i appreciate it tremendously. when you say giddy. i think the argument that gets made in public, except the mass slips of few times is we want to get rid of cheating and fraud. this will help republicans because at the margins it puts obstacles in people most likely to vote for democrats. you're saying the republicans understood that? >> absolutely. you showed that clip of president reagan, that's the first time i got involved in politics. i was in fifth grade about 20 miles from sauk city.
i was 11, 12 years old in 1980 and got involved for the first time. ronald reagan and then bob castin and former congressman steve gunderson won. i thought this is easy. i got involved as a young person. i've been a republican for a long time. it was that moment, in that room, when i heard people, a party i had fought for for over 30 years of my life, actually giddy and happy and talking about how we can take people constitutional rights away or impede them to hang onto power. when i was involved in 1980 and 1990, we had people like steve gunderson and dale in the state senate, we talked about ideas. we fought for ideas because we thought our ideas were better. now you have a group of people, particularly in the senate republican caucus that went to
impede people's voting rights. i can't be a republican and keep going to caucuses because this party no longer represents me and what i believe in. he was a republican. republicans used to fight for voting rights. here they were taking them away. the point is, this was a poignant point in my life. i remember it clearly and the point in that room that day is how do we do this quickly because there's a lot of recalls going on in wisconsin. how do we do it quickly to make sure we hang onto power in the future. >> thank you so much for joining us. i really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. thank you. up next, how ted cruz became the establishment candidate by the unquestionable fact he is not, in fact, donald trump. the normalizing of cruz is next. government shutdown cemented
re-examining cruz said that was then, this is now. the rise of donald trump prompted them to reconsider the juior senator from texas. one new york investor telling new york times, lots of people are giving him a second look. people are scared of donald trump. former house speaker has waived -- paved the way. >> cruz, a year ago, would have been seen as the extreme outsider, unacceptable, anti-establishment. trump has now normalized cruz. you now have trump and cruz. here's this poor establishment over here which has been drifting away from its base and auld of a sudden they are
discovering you can't be an establishment if you're not established. >> joining me now, conservative radio talk show host. i want to start by you responding. barry bennett was on the show. he said if it's an open convention. this is all a bait and switch. all the endorsement is thog more than the best vehicle to stop trump to get from 1237. the notion that they will hand it to cruz is preposterous. what do you think of that idea? >> i think not only was barry bennett interesting, this has been an amazing show. i heard bill clinton bring up hopped up african-american kids on crack. i heard joy reid talk about bill clinton's id. i heard sanders campaign manager say hillary clinton made a deal with the devil. for the first time on national television i'm able to declare i agree with bernie sanders. hillary clinton isn't qualified. barry came in and talked about in open convention people come in and make deals. i said chris is hitting it out of the park tonight. i like "all in" with chris hayes. >> thank you.
do you think he's right. cruz' people have been assiduously cultivating the delegates. is the new found second look a lie? is the whole thing a con being done by people who want to use him to block trump from 1237? >> no. i'm switzerland. i'm neutral. i've not endorsed. i welcome all three back on the show. ted cruz has never been the favorite of the d.c. establishment. if you look at the republican establishment outside the beltway. for example, i'm in california where cruz was last thursday. most of the central committee of the orange county republican party has endorsed ted cruz. the largest grass roots, they have endorsed ted cruz. the establishment outside of d.c. love ted cruz. i will agree with newt gingrich, he said ted cruz is different.
i only know two guys who have argued nine times before the united states supreme court. one of them is the justice the ted cruz is not your ordinary candidate and against a very weak and faulty, whether with the sub machine card reader or rhetoric, ted cruz will carve up hillary clinton in a debate. an insider said he came to town and made everyone pieces on his chess board four years ago. he crushed david dewhurst. he will be the number two vote goers going into the convention and the leader to be the nomination. in an open convention, barry is right. anything can happen. i watched kasich in the bronx. did i hear you say your grand father ran a store? >> around the block from where
john was enjoying some mike's deli. my mom was there because she and the guy are close. it was a good day in the bronx. do they think cruz can with in? a pleasure to have you. that's "all in." rachel maddow starts now. thank you. jane sanders will be here tonight. senator bernie sanders' wife is in new york. that's because new york primary. bernie sanders will be on the seth meyers show on nbc. they are in our immediate vicinity in this building. jane sanders has agreed to sit for an interview right here on this show for the very first time ever. she'll be here in studio. i'm very excited about that. i've met her but never interviewed her before. that's exciting. that's coming up in just a few minutes tonight. since the presidential race has