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hello, everybody. welcome. i'm alex at msnbc world headquarters in new york. the place for politics. ted cruz wins colorado. the texas senator picked up a majority of that state's delegates during the party state convention in colorado springs. he got 21 of the 37 delegates and he has a chance to get 13 more bound delegates when the convention resumes. cruz is 224 delegates behind donald trump. a bit later today, cruz will deliver a speech at the colorado convention and travel to las vegas to address the republican jewish coalition. john kasich continues his spinning through new york with three events. donald trump will resume campaign events tomorrow. kasich drew more than 1500 people to town hall in upstate new york. he attacked his republican rivals for their stance on muslims. >> let me ask you a question. if you want to find out what's going on in a muslim neighborhood. who do you think you ought to
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ask? people in the neighborhood. what's wrong with you. can you call cruz or trump. would you call them for me and tell them what you think. >> democrats in wyoming are caucusing. 14 of the 18 delegates are up for grabs. with ten days to go until the new york primary, hillary clinton and bernie sanders will be crisscrossing the state. they were both in new york for a total of five events focusing on their new york roots. >> all the lessons that i have learned serving as your senator, serving as secretary of state, putting them to work to make our country strong, i can't do that without your help. i'm asking you to support me on april 19th in the new york primary. >> let's win here in new york and let us make the world know that in this great state new york is part of the political
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revolution. >> while clinton and sanders have larnlgely stayed away from their latest feud over the other being qualified. donald trump tweeted, bernie sanders says that hillary clinton is unqualified to be president based on her decision-making aability, i can go along with that. nbc's kristen dahlgren is in cheyenne wyoming. kristen, good morning to you. what can we expect in terms of turnout there? >> reporter: hey, there, alex, it could be record turnout. they were kind enough to show us the space they needed. originally, they were going to be held in this small hotel downtown. they said we need a bigger space. this is where people will be coming in and registering. this is where the caucus will actually happen. you will get possibly as many as 2000 or 3,000 people in this gym. they have printed 3,000 ballots.
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so they are expecting they could go up that high. they are breaking up into groups. there are going to be four group that is they are splitting up into, the undecided, the hillary clinton, bernie sanders camp and then there is rocky delafuente. not expected to have an impact but he is on the ballot. they have to get to 15% and it will go on. state-wide results. we should know. really, it is the least populated state in the nation. a lot of people wouldn't normally be paying attention to wyoming. this year, all about momentum and whether or not bernie can go into new york with a seven-state winning streak, alex. >> kristin dahlgren, thank you so much inside there in cheyenne. let's go to colorado where ted cruz has won the majority of delegates. still, though, he wants to pad the total with the remaining 13
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available. jacob soboroff, our delegate hunter has been tracking all the unbound delegates. jacob, good day to you. explain how he could access these next 13. i'm being told we are having a little bit of technical difficulty. we are going to try and get back with jacob in a little bit. let's talk right now with gabby morciello from the "washington examiner." gabby, welcome to you. i know that you reported this week on the shake yum of donald trump's campaign staff. why is this coming now when he has been doing well in the polls and the primaries? francesca? >> good morning. >> can you hear me? >> the same exact question. donald trump has been very
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focused to this point on winning. however, moving forward to get to that 1,237, he may not be able to do it just by winning these primaries and caucuses the first time around as we saw with ted cruz. there are other ways to pick up delegates. if cruz continues to pull in these delegate this is way and also at the convention. perhaps could pull in some of these other delegate that is are now not pledged to support any specific candidate. he could possibly overtake donald trump or, for instance, donald trump could find himself opened up to an assault on the convention floor from an entirely different candidate. maybe a john kasich or as establishment and insiders want, they would like to see paul ryan come out as the possible gop. >> let me properly introduce you, francesca chambers. could this ultimately damage his campaign? moving forward, this could help donald trump's campaign. to this point, he has been
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focused on a strategy that was more on winning and not necessarily on playing towards the strechbts of the convention rules that could again help a candidate who has end matt knowled intimate knowledge of how the republican party's convention is going to wip. donald trump realizes he might not be able to clinch the nomination outright. this may go to the convention. he is getting prepared for that scenario. >> we now have gabby morciello. she is all hooked up. let's talk about this with you. a new poll has hillary clinton beating trump, tying with ted cruz, losing to john kasich. how do you account for this kasich spike? do you think it is a glimmer of hope? >> i can't tell you how many democratic voters i met who said
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they would prefer to support john kasich over hillary clinton. he appeals to democrats and to independents, because he has expanded medicaid. he is out there saying that as commander in chief, he wouldn't deport illegal immigrants living in the country currently. he has a message that resonates across the spectrum, not just with republican voters. i think that's a lot of it. you also look at this poll. one thing that's interesting, a lot of voters who would vote for hillary clinton would do so, because they don't want donald trump to be president when. you take donald trump out of the picture and you replace him with john kasich, a ton of those voters would support john kasich over hillary clinton. look can forward to a convention, it is difficult to see how john kasich would really be able to get the delegates stacked in his favor if republicans do head to a contested convention. as francesca just mentioned, ted cruz' campaign is far more
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organized than both donald trump and john kasich in terms of ensuring that he would have the delegates on a second ballot or on a multi-ballot convention. john kasich's campaign, we haven't heard much about his organization or the behind the scenes bat forl delegates. >> i'm not really sure how you would play out from there. >> speaking of the battle for delegates, let's go to colorado, jacob soboroff, his picture has been hooked up with us. good morning to you. help us understand how any one candidate, ted cruz perhaps likely get these remaining 13 delegates today? >> reporter: so, today, the what is going to happen, there are 6,000 people on the floor of the hockey arena. 600 of those 6,000 are vying for the remaining 13 seats. it is an extraordinary process where they will each go in front of the crowd for ten second and make a pitch and there is a big vote and the votes are tallied. so far, ted cruz is 21 for 21 as we've been talking about.
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nbc news has projected he has won the state of colorado. because each and every delegate counts for him in his battle to get to 1247 or stop trump from doing that. i want to pull up a tweet from donald trump last night. this sort of explains his problem in the state. he said last night, isn't it a shame that the person who will have by far the most delegates and many millions more votes than anyone else, me, still must fight. in some ways you could look at that tweet and say that incap sue lates why he is having such a hard time out here. this fight is very porp, very crucial. the technicalities are important and crucial to getting to the number 1237. critics have said donald trump has been outmaneuvered out here as if he didn't care about the intricacies of the delegate process and winning over each and every one of these delegates. ted cruz will be out here to make a pitch to win over the remaining 13 colorado delegates. >> it is as if donald trump
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doesn't understand the political process and the fact that each individual has a right to vote for whom they want to at whoever point. i understand why he is trying to get all the delegates. he wants to win. this is how politics is run. gabby, we are going to go back to our conversation with you. let's talk about the polls which show bernie sanders beating a republican candidate by anywhere from 10-20 points. based on what you were saying about the dems. should they start p spending some time building an anti-sanders strategy. if you look at democratic numbers, the republicans should be focusing this way. >> bernie sanders is doing far better than hillary clinton in a number of these general election matchup polls. that should worry clinton's campaign. she might be outpacing bernie sanders? terms of the superdelegates she has amassed so far. she is doing far better in a number of states before this pattern of seven primaries. sanders won. it is cause for reason for the
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clinton campaign. it should put a lot of the republican candidates on edge. what this really suggests is that democrats have moved so far to the left that if supporting somebody like bernie sanders and that sanders would do better in general election matchups against these republican candidates. i think if i were a republican candidate, i would be paying attention to the pays that i would be able to shore up support among independents who would probably go to bernie sanders in a general election but could potentially go to a republican candidate if they are able to kraft their message in a way that will attract those voters. >> some believe the middle 10% is what it comes down to into a general election. >> francesca, talk about the new explosion of the infighting? i want to look ahead with you a week or so. how important is new york? if sanders loses here, what's his next move? both of those questions to you? >> to go to the second one, start with that, if sanders
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loses new york, he absolutely has to win california. there are 475 pledged delegates available in california. if he can win there, he could still catch up to hillary clinton. so this is why his campaign is not calling new york a must-win state. there is a pathway to victory for him still if he does not win new york it would also reply on the superdelegates who are voting for hillary clinton as many of them are. he would need to win over a significant amount of them even if he did win california and new york in order to outpace hillary clinton. that's something to watch here over the next couple weeks, is whether those superdelegates begin to shift towards the sanders campaign because of that poll that you just brought up, that he would do better in a general election scenario against the republicans. look can at the fighting we have seen, this is something that many would have expected much earlier in the race.
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that bernie sanders would have started throwing el bows against hillary clinton earlier on to win this nomination fight. it is a reflection of the fact that the sanders campaign is now recognizing that that is the only way they will be able to win f they draw a sharp contrast with secretary clinton and show those superdelegates and the voters that up against someone like donald trump, he wouldn't be afraid to get into a fight and he would be able to handle it. >> all right, francesca chambers and gabby morielo. the trump campaign is being described as political hunger games. we will get reaction from an insider next.
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>> only one guy you listen to who is trump? >> i listen to everybody. one voice is louder than everybody else. >> making it clear to who he answers to on the campaign trial with donald trump. he has been advising campaigns since the days of gerald ford. his role has been expanded to include responsibility for all activities relating to delegates and the convention. let's bring in barry bennett, senior adviser of the trump campaign and ben carson's former campaign manager. why was it determined that changes were needed in the campaign hierarchy? >> successful campaigns get bigger and bigger and the responsibilities get bigger, so you need more people. it is a great resume, a great fit for us and we are excited to have him here. >> what about him reporting directly to trump? does that diminish the role of the campaign manager? >> i don't think so. we all report to mr. trump.
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mr. luwindowski is the campaign manager. paul works with corey and i'm as a much more local level. it's exactly what we want and it is exactly what we need. it is going very well. >> tell me, is that typical of the campaign with your experience? you said, we all report to mr. trump. >> i can understand because mr. trump might demand that but typically in a campaign does the campaign manager run things? is he the person you go to before the actual candidate? >> you know, campaigns, there is no such thing as a typical campaign, specially a campaign at a presidential level, which literally has to double about every three months. so the growth is incredible. therefore, you have to change the hierarchy every now and then too. the delegate strategy, the convention strategy is different than the strategy of trying to earn delegates. it makes a lot of sense to me. >> talk to me about your relationship, your experience
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with donald trump, what has that been like? >> one of the traits you find in highly successful people is that they learn every day. i am amazed at how much information mr. trump can absorb on a daily basis. >> what kind of information are you referring to? >> everything from obscure delegate rules in different states to all the policy stuff that's thrown at him every day. he is a very good learner. >> do you think those are things that he ought to have perhaps been more familiar with before launching a presidential campaign? >> he doesn't have a 20 history of being a politician. he has a nine month history of running for office. you have to learn all those things. he is very capable of doing it. >> there is a report on nbc news.com, barry, which found a chaotic, overwhelmed trump cam paper in the state of colorado. nbc news is reporting that 21 of
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colorado's delegates has already been assigned to ted cruz. is the trump campaign failing in these smaller state delegate fights? >> in colorado, particularly and wyoming as well, the process actually started before mr. trump was a candidate. there is not much we can do about that. mr. cruz has been running for president for several years. we've been at this for eight or nine months. he has a lead in the states where the process started before we did. >> what is the campaign philosophy at this point? is it just seating those states or a strategy to woo delegates? >> our path never included delegate frs colorado, wyoming or any from wisconsin but we got six. we are exceeding our expect
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tae ations. we are very real. if the process started a year and a half ago, we can't turn back the clock but be very aggressive in going after the earned, the bound delegates. >> an interesting headline from politico who says that a former trump adviser who was among multiple people who left the campaign last month in protest of its management culture said it is like the political hunger games. >> is there a level of dits satisfaction? >> i talk to so many trump staffers. i have never found anybody who is dissatisfied. we are all working very hard. there is a lot to do. there are lots of new people coming in the door. some people don't deal with that very well. as far as campaigns go, it is one of the most cohesive campaigns i have ever worked on. >> that is a very interesting headline. you have no idea why somebody would say it is like the hunger games? >> i know to believe half of what i read in politico. i don't know which half.
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>> paul maniford expressed confidence. let's listen to part of what he said? >> this convention process will be over with sometime in june, june 7th. it will be apparent that trump is over the 1237 number. at this point in time when it is apparent, everything is going to come together. >> you think trump gets the 1237? >> absolutely. >> before the convention? >> absolutely. >> why the confidence? >> because i know the votes. >> does that level of confidence carry through the campaign leadership that trump will have the necessary total at the end of the primary season? >> simple mathematics. there is a lot of talk about how we need to win 60% of the remaining delegates. after we win new york, it drops to 52, pennsylvania, new jersey, and connecticut. by the time we get to june 7th, which is california and some other states, we'll have 1237. we'll go way past 1237. this will be over.
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unfortunately, the john kasichs of the world will have to come to grips with that. >> all right, barry bennett, senior adviser to the trump campaign. hillary clinton has lost six straight voting contests and her poll lead in new york is slipping. how concerned should she be? that's next. obstacles at you? first - they limit where you earn bonus cash back. then - those places change every few months? i think i'll pass... quicksilver from capital one puts nothing in your way. you simply earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. you can't dodge the question... what's in your wallet? ♪ [engine revs] ♪
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together issues of great concern to new yorkers about securing new york and the country, making sure we are breaking every barrier to ensure economic opportunity for so many people and frankly her appeal to the fact that she actually has a record of doing things is a very important part of why i think new yorkers will ultimately support her. >> what about the democratic voters in a much smaller venue in wyoming? they make their preferences known. if senator sanders wins there, it would be his eighth victory out of the past nine primaries. how concerned is the clinton campaign about momentum with ten days to go until new york? think about the headlines. think about the talk. >> it is very clear that secretary clinton over the course of the primary has gotten the lion's share of delegates and actual votes. i think that over the next several weeks, you are gonna also see her project strength in the states that come up, new
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york, pennsylvania, several others. here is the point. we have a delegate count ultimately. she is going to win that delegate count and fight for every vote in the primary. frankly, i think we need to also think about what's happening on the other side, which is a very scary set of characters over there that are trying to become the president. >> there has been growing tension between the two democratic contenders with the xhargs and counter xhargs over qualifications. we had secretary clinton pretty much try to button everything up by saying, this is really silly. i think bernie sanders understands that. bernie sanders walking it back in his interview with matt lauer. do you think overall, we are going to see a change in tone between the two? >> we are getting to the end. at the end, there is a lot at stake obviously. i do not think it is serious to say that secretary clin top is not qualified to be president. she has more qualifications than anyone in the race and a clear record of getting things done.
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>> and her former husband says she is more qualified running than he was when he did. he has been out on the campaign trail vit sized for his reaction to black lives matter protesters. he addressed that yesterday. >> these two women in the crowd got up and started screaming that they were angry about the crime bill i signed and that i was responsible for mass incarceration. i know those young people yesterday were just trying to get good television. and it did but that doesn't mean that i was most effective in answering it. >> give me the pros and cons having bill clinton out on the campaign trail for his wife. is there any risk there? >> there is really no better one in the country than president clinton. he has been in the political sphere for quite some time. i think he is absolutely an
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asset. i think he and secretary clinton have spoken to the fact that the crime bill from the 1990s was not in all cases a great bill in retrospect. they, themselves, have said that there are some things that need to be done on criminal justice reform ending mass incarceration and taking steps to ensure fairness for everybody. >> secretary fox, certainly, you are a sitting member of the obama cabinet. is it unusual for a member of the current administration to be out there as a public face for a candidate? >> well, i'm speaking for myself. i do feel very strongly that the changes that president obama brought into being in 2008 and 2012 are on the line in this campaign. i do believe that secretary clinton is the best and strongest for us to continue the
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changes that president obama has brought into place. >> all right, secretary of transportation, anthony foxx. thank you very much for your time. was bernie sanders really questioning hillary clinton's qualifications this week? a sanders campaign supporter joins me to talk about that. plus, bill clinton, will the fallout result in higher african-american support for sanders? medicine, i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways to help improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma proble and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. breo is not for people whose asthma is well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. once your asthma is well controlled,
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great to see you in person. senator sanders took a little break and went to the play, ma'amily ton. secretary clinton in an event in rochester directed her comments to donald trump. that is a familiar and favorite target. we didn't see this bitter back and forth. this past week has been one of the most contentious we have seen. it started when secretary clinton accused senator sanders of not doing his homework on some of the key issues, like breaking up the big banks. he stumbled in terms of trying to explain how that would actually work. senator sanders fired back that she is unqualified to be president. essentially arguing and responding to some headlines which suggested that that was what secretary clinton was trying to say about him. he came under a lot of pressure from fellow democrats. on friday, he walked back those argument zs here it is. i have known hillary clinton for 25 years. i respect her. we were colleagues in the
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senate. on her worst day, she would be an infinitely better president than either of the republican candidates. >> if you talk to officials within the sanders campaign, they say, look, part of why he responded that way, he felt as though he was being to some extent disrespected by secretary clinton. he did feel the need to walk those comments back. secretary clinton, not letting the issue go. take a listen to what she had to say friday afternoon. >> seriously, i have been called a lot of things over the years but unqualified has not been one of them. this morning he finally acknowledged that, of course, he doesn't really believe that. this is all pretty silly.
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>> now, some democrats are expressing a broader concern, which is that ultimately this could make it harder to rally the party and unify the party around the ultimate democratic nominee, whoever that ultimately winds up being? as of right now, we are watching a fight play out in wee opyomin where democrats are going to be caucusing. senator sanders if he wins that state will give him more momentum but not enough delegates to chip into her lead. he has to start winning larger states like new york and that is why there is such a fierce battle going on right here in the empire state. >> that is something i am going to talk about with my next guest. let's bring in nina turner, an avowed bernie sanders supporter. >> happy birthday. >> thank you. you are so sweet.
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this shows secretary xlin ton leading bernie sanders. her lead has dropped significantly. even so, she still has a pretty big lead whach. what would it take for senator sanders to consider this a success? >> he is working the state very hard. i am glad he is back home. he is going to continue to touch people. he has several events planned today. he spent a great deal of time in new york. winning the state is important. becoming really close is also important as well. >> what kristen welker was talking about there, the momentum. if senator sanders wins wyoming, that is his eighth straight consecutive win. does momentum translate to delegates? how do you take and harness it? >> i think it will. in wisconsin, there was a superdelegate, representative david bowen, because the senator won wisconsin, came over to his side. i think we are going to see a lot of superdelegates in states where senator sanders has won, come over to his side.
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their constituencies have supported the senator. it is also important to note that he won the democrats abroad as well. momentum is on his side. >> i need to be straight here that he won the last eight out of nine. it is not absolutely consecutive. there is a report in today's "wall street journal" which examines behind the scenes effort by the sanders campaign right now to try to get clinton superdelegates to defect into his rank and file here. that would be, here is the quote, rank and file sanders activists have taken it upon themselves to insist using social media, e-mails and phone calls in ways that have created a backlash among the very people that mr. sanders is hoping to win over. is there a concern that this could backfire? >> i have not heard that. what is important to note is that in the states that the senator has won, those superdelegates need to take another look and maybe rethink their position whether they are going to go against the grain of the will of the people in their states. this is part of the democratic
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process. maybe democrats need to question whether or not we need that process. that is the game in the way it is being played right now. the senator would like to have those delegates. there are still some superdelegates on the table. every single superdelegate is not committed to the secretary. so we are going to fight this fight. >> interestingly came the news that the senator is going to take some time and head to the vatican for a conference. he talked about this a little bit yesterday. >> i am a big, big fan of the pope. obviously, there are areas where we disagree on and women's rights or gay rights. he has played an unbelieble role of injecting a moral consequence into the economy. >> i'm curious how this invitation came about and will senator sanders meet with the pope? >> i am not sure how it came about. he was invited. i hope that he does get the opportunity to meet with the pope because as the senator has
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expressed, he and the pope are on the same page when you talk about morality, economic moreality. senator sanders talks all the time about how so few have so so much and so many have so little. what is the moral imperative in this nation at this point in time where we have one of the biggest gulfs between those that have and those that do not. what is our obligation in public policy? that's one of the reasons that he is running. he believes there is a moral obligation to help and make sure the working poor and the middle class that is almost nonexistent, specially in the african-american community that we begin to create that synergy that gives people hope again. >> nina turner, one of our favorites here. if donald trump wins the republican nomination, our next guest said she wouldn't mind being his rupping mate. now, what is she thinking? we're going to talk to her next.
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endorsements on 538 scoreboard, hillary clinton is winning by a landslide. she has won more endorsements from law makers and governors. 159 house members, 40 senators and 13 governors endorse her. cruz leads the way getting 32 house members, 5 senators and 5 governors. as for donald trump, he has won endorsements from 8 on capitol hill and 3 governors. after more than a dozen years in the house of representatives, my next guest herself is no stranger to the endorsement shuffle, tennessee congressman, marsha blackburn is joining me now. nice to have you here. >> good morning. good to be with you. >> it is a particularly heated one. you haven't yet endorsed any candidate. why not? do you plan to? >> well, i generally stay out of the primaries. i'm an old county party chairman for the republican party. i generally stay out of the primaries. that's the best thing to do. one of the things that i have found so interesting this year,
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alex, is that endorsements mean less than ever before. people want to hear from the candidates themselves. they want to know which issues they are going to address. they want to know that there is a commitment to get these issues resolved. so i think the endorsements are there. maybe they make people feel good but i think they are less important than ever. >> how about what you said at cpac about a month ago in which you indicated if donald trump were to offer you the vp slot, you would consider it? do you still stand by that statement? >> i know it is not going to be me. i am from a red state and a republican is going to win this state. the point i was making, and i think it is a valid one, anyone who is asked to step forward and serve is going to do so. certainly, the republican party has a wide range of individuals that wild be considered as a v.p. for whomever is the eventual nominee.
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i'm not going to be one of those but it is nice when your friends and colleagues and pundits turn to you, hey, you would be a great choice for this. >> i am sure that is nice. i know you have been quoted as saying 2016 is an outsider year. why is that? who do you think benefits from that? >> 2016 is an outsider year. i have said early on the candidates who were running who had never held office or who were considered an outsider were the ones that were going to be. the reason that happens is because people get tired of not seeing things addressed. they want the border dealt with. national security is a top issue. they want our enemy defined. they want isis to be dealt with. they are sick of a stagnant economy and wage stagnation. they want those issues put on the table. they want them discussed. and they want them addressed. so, yes, that makes it an outsider year. fatigue with washington not getting the job done.
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we pass things in the house. we send them to the senate and they languish. people want these issued addressed and i think it will be an outsider president. you are going to see either trump or cruz as the republican nominee and then you are going to see one of them as the next president of the united states. >> do you give any credence to the paul ryan discussion there? >> he keeps saying he won't run for president. he releases an ad and says it is a policy ad. some say it is a campaign ad. is it likely or possible he jumps in the race down the road? >> you know what i think he is doing there, kind of what reagan did. he focused on the things that were important to him. the shining city on the hill concept for decades. before he became president and got into that race. i think this is kind of what is paul ryan about in building out that longer term narrative.
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paul is about civility in politics and the universe of ideas. as you know our dud by haley barber has always said, republicans win when they focus on ideas. they lose when they focus on personalities. i think paul is kind of staking out that niche. he is a smart guy. he has a great team around him. i think they are working on a longer term vision than just today or next month or through the end of the year. >> well, that's a pretty shining endorsement of him and his hoo political savvyness, let's say. do you think he would have a better chance against hillary clinton or bernie sanders than donald trump or ted cruz? >> i think people want to see someone who has come through this primary as their nominee. i think people pretty much -- when i'm talking to individuals, whether they are in my district or one of my colleague's
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district. they will say, whomever has the most votes ought to win. you've got three people that are left running. most likely, trump or cruz will be the nominee. na suits the republican voter at this point in time and it suits a lot of the independent voter and the crossover democrats, because they want an outsider, somebody who is not made this mess to come in and clean up this mess. i think that is where the american people are at this point in time. my goodness, you just did a segment looking at bernie sanders. the support that is there for him in the democrat primary. why is that? because he has not been a part of the d.c. establishment. people do not want the d.c. establishment to come in and fix these problems. they are saying, no, you have caused a lot of these problems. you need to step aside. we need a change agent.
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go back and look at the 1980 race. reagan was a change agent. people said many of the same things about ronald reagan they are saying now about trump and cruz. people wanted to see change. they want to see a reshaping. the american people are ready for big ideas and for a way to address these issues in front of them. >> all right. tennessee congressman, marsha blackburn. always nice to see you. thank you so much. >> good to see you. thanks for having me on. what does donald trump have to do to convince primary voters he is ready to be president? up next, we'll talk live with a republican pollster. i've been on my feel all day.
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it is great to be home. this is home. i love these people. these are my people. >> that was donald trump sounding right at home at madison square garden earlier this week. donald trump in the latest polls in new york showing him in first
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place followed by ted cruz and john kasich. joining me, jim mclaughlin, not aligned with any presidential candidate or pack. i want to go to this new gap poll, 7 in 10 among the whites without a college education. 55% have a negative opinion m. you were quoted in this "new york times" article that he has yet to convince voters that he is prepared to be president. is that what's behind these unfavor ability numbers? >> there is no question. b . >> what donald trump has proven? he was great at the beginning of the campaign in terms of cal van nuysing galvanizing a third of the vote. he has to work on getting the closing argument to get more than 50% in the polls.
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he needs to start addressing the issues. there is a reason why two thirds of the voters are telling you the country is off on the track. we have real problems with the economy, with health care and security. they want to see him address those issues, the republicans and the democrats. >> in the general, clinton would beat trump, 50-4 1. then, you have kasich as the front-runner. it is him with 51%. clinton getting h42%. the delegate map is nowhere in kasich's favor. how do you explain the disconnect in a general election for kasich? >> that's the irony of this campaign. the irony is that the frontrunners tend to be not the good general election candidates. the two candidates that nobody is giving a shot at, whether it is john kasich on the republican side or bernie sanders on the
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democratic side, they have the best numbers in the general election. it is more because they don't have the high negatives that hillary clinton and donald trump have. how to lower those negatives. the best way to do that is stop talking about all this process nonsense that people don't care about in the election right now. they want to find real solutions to the real problems they are facing out there. >> i think they do. you are absolutely right, jim mclaughlin. i am sorry for the brevity of this interview. we'll have you back again soon. >> my pleasure. my colleague a man man mohe will be picking up the coverage next. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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