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just like that. another step on the journey. will you be ready when growth presents itself? realize your buying power at open.com i'm richard lui at msnbc headquarters in new york. at this hour, the fight to win wyoming. the state's democratic caucus winding down right now. some early results are filtering in. sanders is expected to sweep the state, making it his seventh win in the last eight contests. both democratic candidates are in the empire state today with the primary there inching closer. >> if we can win here, it absolutely opens the door to a path toward victory to the white house. >> for the gop, all eyes on colorado today. the state's republican convention under way as ted cruz tries for a clean sweep of the delegates there.
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where does that leave donald trump? the gop frontrunner made a brief public appearance at the 9/11 museum before heading back to colorado. we'll start in wyoming, where right now we have early results of today's democratic caucuses. nbc's kristen dahlgren is standing by for us with new numbers that just came in. >> reporter: hey there, richard. we just got the results from laramie county, the county that cheyenne is in, the most populous county in this state. it has gone to secretary clinton, we got 731 votes to bernie sanders' 689 votes, so a very slim margin, about 42 votes between them. it's a surprise to a lot of people who were in the room here today because there were clearly a lot more bernie sanders supporters here at the caulk his caucus. but when you count the surrogate
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ballots, the day goes to hillary clinton. we have a clinton supporter. how are you feeling? >> elated. we are surprised and very pleased. >> reporter: looking at the room today, clearly there were a lot more bernie sanders supporters here. did you think the day would go to him here? >> we have surrogate ballots and our door to door people gave good reports. you start to believe the game of expectations. utah was 80/20, iowa was 80/20. so i guess we could make it close. winning is even better. >> reporter: you're the former secretary of state here. what can you tell us about the other counties and what we can expect based on these results? >> it's a narrow race all over the state. we've been getting partial results from all the different counties. for example we lost campbell but we won sheridan county big. albany county is still out, that will be huge for bernie, i'm
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guessing. that's our only four-year school there, the university of wyoming. bill clinton won in the small counties here in 1992. they're more moderate in small counties. liberals don't dare live in those small towns, they tend to vote for the more liberal candidate. >> reporter: you're hoping as laramie county goes, so goes the rest of the state? >> we hope so. if we come within 50 or 100 votes, that's like a win. >> reporter: there was a lot of talk about him and the momentum going into new york and what a win in wyoming, making this his seventh straight, would mean. do you buy into that? >> no. i don't. because i think hillary had momentum after ohio, and illinois, and missouri. momentum comes and momentum
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goes. and as laramie goes, wyoming goes, generally speaking. it's a close race. we can't believe the pollsters this year, they've been wrong about anything. all the prognosticators said bernie was going to cream her in wyoming, that's not going to happen. i think we dampened that momentum quite a bit. if she wins, then i do believe in momentum. >> reporter: thank you so much, cathy. they're counting now, richard, and we're expecting results from other counties within the next hour or two, should have those statewide results. we'll see what happens. >> thank you so much, nbc's kristen dahlgren with the breaking news. the clinton campaign moving ahead at least in laramie county, ahead by 42 votes. bernie sanders hoping for that win we were talking about in wyoming. he's not there, he's campaigning
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today in new york city. nbc's kasie hunt joins us from the bronx with more on that. kasie, this is just one county, no response here, i imagine, from the sanders campaign. >> reporter: not yet, richard, we don't have a response from the sanders campaign. that's pretty interesting reporting from kristen and the hillary clinton supporter keeping track of things in wyoming. we were actually out there last tuesday, after the wisconsin results were coming in, because sanders did make a very concerted effort to win in wyoming, and he of course has really outperformed all expectations in some of those smaller western caucus states. so in many ways this is a surprise. that said, there's still only 14 pledged delegates at stake in wyoming. the big delegate prize is here in new york city. bernie sanders has been going on a tour of all of the boroughs. he was in manhattan, was just here in the bronx, is head to go queens later on. he will be in harlem at the
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apollo theater, going all out to try to win what he's identifying as his home state. he made some jabs at hillary clinton, saying she was born in illinois, although he backed off that criticism of her as unqualified that we only heard that one time at the rally in philadelphia, then later at a press conference defending himself. what we did hear from bernie sanders is the attack that he has been leveling at her on those wall street speeches, take a look. >> secretary clinton, as you all know, has also given a whole lot of speeches on wall street for $250,000 a speech. [ audience booing ] now, i have long thought that if you're going to be paid $250,000 for a speech, it must be an extraordinary speech, don't you think? let the world see it. >> reporter: so there you have a line of attack from bernie sanders that's become pretty standard over the course of the
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last couple of months but that does represent an evolution from where he started this race, when he wasn't talking about issues like that. the question is, if he had brought that up sooner, would he have been in a different situation in early states where secretary clinton was able to rack up that huge delegate lead. the question for clinton, whether he could beaded ht her in new york. it wouldn't necessarily be a big delegate blow for her but it would be a psychological blow. you've got primaries across the northeastern states, very rich in delegates, big states, new jersey, pennsylvania, connecticut, maryland, delaware, a smaller state, but all voting a week later. really his challenge is to see whether he can close that pledged delegate gap. while it still exists, it is extraordinarily narrow. at the end of the day he doesn't just need to eke out wins against secretary clinton.
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he needs to beat her by large margins and at this point it's just not clear that he's going to be pull that off. >> pulling in two thirds of the delegates. kasie hunt there in the bronx, thank you so much. hillary clinton's campaign is in brooklyn today, looking to stop bernie sanders's winning streak in new york's april 19th primary. nbc's kristen welker is covering the campaign, hey, kristen. >> reporter: hey, richard. secretary clinton has focusing her attention on the city where of course you have a lot of delegates but also upstate new york. that's a region that was hit hard by the recession. it's also a region why senator sanders' message about economic equality resonates. secretary clinton not letting those comments that you were just discussing with kasie go, those unqualified comments. she slammed senator sanders on friday, essentially saying i've been called a lot of things but i've never been called unqualified. of course that's a way to rally
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her supporters, to rally women voters as well. you did have some of her surrogates making the case that those comments smacked of sexism even though the sanders campaign denied that that was at the root of those comments. this has become a really bitter battle, richard, and some democrats are expressing concern that the party is not going to be able to unify behind the eventually nominee. i just spoke with a political analyst who said, look, that's not going to be the case. secretary clinton still has a pretty strong lead in new york. take a look at this latest polling, showing her leading senator sanders by double digits, 56 to 38%. however, it is down slightly by a poll taken in march in which it was 72-21%. it would be a blow to her campaign in terms of the optics if she were to lose in new york, a state where she served as senator for two terms, so the campaign determined to hang on to this state. >> you in brooklyn, kasie there
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in the bronx, both places are important for the candidates. thanks, kristen. the gop state convention in colorado springs, as we're watching the selection of delegates today, ted cruz is speaking right now at the convention. let's take a listen. >> we'll pass common sense health care reform that makes health insurance personal and portable and affordable and keeps government from getting in between us and our doctors. [ applause ] and we will pass a simple flat t tax. so that every american can fill out our taxes on a postcard. and when we do that, we should abolish the irs. [ cheers and applause ]
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we're going to rein in the epa. and the federal regulators who have descended like locausts on small businesses, killing jobs across the united states. we're going to stop amnesty and secure the borders and end sanctuary cities and end welfare benefits for those here illegally. [ cheers and applause ] and let me tell you what's going to happen when we do all of that. we're going to see millions and millions of new high paying jobs. we're going to see jobs coming back to america, coming back from mexico, coming back from china. we're going to see wages rising again all across america. we're going to see young people coming out of school, filled with hopes, filled with dreams,
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with two, three, four, five job offers. [ applause ] we'll see morning in america again. the second critical issue in this election -- >> republican presidential candidate ted cruz, essentially a victory speech, having won the majority of the delegates at the colorado convention. msnbc's delegate hunter jacob soboroff, give us the latest count that you know. what are the unbound delegates telling you? >> reporter: richard, some of this moment, ted cruz has 21 of the 21 delegates that were up for grabs here in colorado.
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today 13 more will be decided. in fact it's not just that he's giving a victory speech here. he's not even asking people to listen to his stump speech and support him. he's asking people to support the 13 people that are lined up behind him in orange shirts. those are ted cruz's slate of delegates, the remaining 13 delegates he can pick up here to go for a full sweep. that's what he's asking people to do right now. that's what the unbound delegates that i've been talking to and that are out there, this is an important issue. unbound dell ganegates don't necessarily have to support the will of the voter. what will happen is they will either stop donald trump from get to go 1237, they'll help ted cruz get over that hump if they can, or one or the other of those types of arrangements. that's why they're so crucial here. >> not necessarily an easy process to follow along, but as jacob just did, very straightforward in terms of what cruz wants. the trump campaign, not
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necessarily faring very well with this involved process. mark, from your expeperspective what does this say about the operational strengths and weaknesses of the trump campaign? >> for all the organizational strengths of the cruz campaign, the trump campaign has been disorganized. my colleague benji sarlin found that trump's campaign has sending out the wrong spellings on it for people to vote on. in fairness to the donald trump campaign, however, as poor as they've done at events like this, they have succeeded at the ballot box. he's probably going to have a big win in new york a week and a half from now. he's then going to do well in the northeast contests on the 26th. but in a race where every delegate matters, what is happening here does matter. >> mark murray and jacob
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soboroff, thank you so much. when our live team coverage continues this saturday, donald trump is making his first appearance in days, stepping out of trump tower in new york city, as ted cruz is sweeping away delegates in colorado, as we were just talking about. is this a sign that trump is slipping? we'll discuss that and more, plus get an update on today's big breaking news out of belgium, the lone suspect wanted in connection with the brussels airport bombing, now behind bars. that breaking news coming in today. (laughing) there's nothing like making their day. cept making sure their tomorrow is taken care of too. financial guidance while you're masteri life. from chase. so you can.
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as ted cruz effectively runs away with colorado's delegates, the trump campaign remains in new york today. trump has been noticeably absent from the trail in recent days. he held his last campaign event, for instance, on wednesday. but he did make an impromptu visit to the 9/11 museum this
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afternoon. msnbc's shaquille brewster joins us. shaq, some confusion about whether or not trump was going to talk to the press or not, this confusion also has a parallel in the management of his campaign. that happening too. and why he has not been having a public, if you will, engagement in a campaign event in recent days. put it all together for us. >> reporter: yeah, let's start with that confusion a little earlier today. donald trump went to the 9/11 museum, a relatively quick stop, a half hour. he got a tour with his wife. at the time, reporters were expecting to be able to ask donald trump some questions. as you mentioned, he's been off the campaign trail. this is now his fourth day off the trail, doesn't have an event until tomorrow in rochester, new york. as you know, lots of politics is going on. we have the events in colorado where he's getting swept in terms of delegates, losing delegates to ted cruz. so there's a lot to talk to him about and a lot we want to hear from him. and we didn't have the
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opportunity to ask him any questions today about that. on that whole point about the delegates, the campaign is really stressing they're trying to expand their operation, evolve a little bit into taking the delegate game more seriously, they have new hires on board. they're trying to show they understand that as we get closer to the convention and later in this primary process, the delegates, and the situation with the delegates, making sure they can get as many delegates as they can to clinch the nomination, that is becoming more and more important. so they're trying to show that they're more and more serious. >> shaquille brewster there with the trump campaign, thank you so much, shaq. speaking of donald trump and his campaign, watch "meet the press" tomorrow, chuck todd's exclusive interview with donald trump's new convention manager, paul manafort. he'll be talking about the role he'll play in the campaign going forward. of course chuck will ask about the recent shifts, shall we say, in the campaign structure. john kasich is taking full advantage of trump's absence on
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the trail in recent days. he held press gaggles following his largest new york event yet where he said trump and cruz will get beaten in the fall. >> these party bosses and ward healers, you think they want to get skunked in their wards and neighborhoods? because cruz and trump are going to get killed in the fall. they cannot win. they'll get beaten and we will lose the courthouse, we'll lose the united states senate, and people will wake up to that. >> we've been following the kasich campaign. as we look at this, the question is, you know, the polls aren't in favor of kasich, yet he's investing resources into new york city. what's the tone there from the campaign? >> reporter: yes, so you just heard what is one of the pillars of john kasich's argument, to take it to the contested convention, is that he believes he's the only person that could
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defeat hillary clinton in the fall. he's here in greece, new york, that are hoping they can finish in second place in new york. in greece, we're hearing presidential candidates do not usually come here, do not usually campaign in new york. these people are not used to having a competitive primary. so this was actually john kasich's biggest event, biggest regular town hall event that he's. the campaign so far. there were more than 3,000 people here, and there were also many interesting moments in this town hall. there was one moment where he was actually interrupted by disability rights protesters. these are people that came, they're based here, but they wanted to pressure john kasich on whether or not he would support disability legislation that they were favoring. even though they had a little bit a back and forth during the town hall, kasich did eventually meet with them after the event and they were gratified that he took the time to meet with them
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and defend his positions on disability rights issues. back to you, richard. >> a busy workday for john kasich. thank you for that. here to talk more about the republican showdown we've been watching in new york city and across the country, let's start with this one. rebecca, i want to look at something. this is something that i love what mark maurray does, he lays out the percentage of delegates needed to take the nomination. let me go to that first off. when we look at the numbers here, ted cruz needs 87% of the remaining delegates to get to 1237, the nomination. 60% for trump. and then you're looking at 136%, that's gone up 3 percentage points in the last day or so, for john kasich. looking at all those numbers, they really are still focusing here on that contested convention, and hoping to make the best of it even on this day.
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>> absolutely. this is, again, no longer a race to get a delegate majority for anyone but donald trump. for the rest of them, it's a race to grab as many delegates they can to keep him from reaching the majority. that's why you see people like john kasich campaigning in new york city. donald trump is going to win new york, everyone knows that. they can't afford to let him sweep the board. >> even 60%, all things being equal, that's 60% probability that he would need. it's not that high. >> i mean, it's a high hurdle for him in the sense of, we're starting to see when it comes to delegates, ted cruz has been organizing in the field for more than a year to grab delegates and his team is disciplined. donald trump is just playing a game of catch-up. >> ted cruz was at a victory speech, basically saying take the last 13, please, so i can have a clean sweep, that's what he would like. this is the somewhat complicated, if you will,
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delegate process, finishing up in colorado on this day. how does ted cruz translate organizational strength and what appears to be trump weakness on the management side, three different factions on the management side? >> what cruz is going to argue is almost going to sound like kasich. he's going to say that he is the one who has beaten trump before, and that he is the one most likely to go into november the strongest. it's going to be borrowing from kasich saying, i'm the guy that beat trump before, look at the momentum. the hope is to box him out. kasich is very much making the argument in november that you need more than republicans to win. and cruz is not making that argument. he's just saying i can do better than trump in november. >> trump's strategy right now is strategy, right? not the process, as has been said. so is that going to work to his benefit, in a state like new york where we have primaries, that's been the approach. clearly we're looking at colorado process, not the strong
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point and not working. so this management reshuffle doesn't hurt him? does hurt him? >> it signals to some supporters he's taking this much more seriously. he's going into the convention knowing that he has a fight. and he has made remarks before that has alarmed people, that there might be violence or at least some type of upset among the grass roots if he doesn't get the nomination as the frontrunner. what cruz is doing is targeting delegates. kasich is making a broader argument, think of november, think of everything at stake for republicans. trump has largely ignored everyone's advice about how to campaign. >> it doesn't hurt him? >> not in a state like new york that already knows him. >> the latest monmouth poll shows donald trump way out in front here in new york, 52%, rebecca. that's more than triple ted cruz's total, according to the poll. when we look at the majorities that he's got, donald trump so far, and the delegate count that
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he also needs to try to reach, he could potentially get all the delegates out of new york. but it's not necessarily an easy path. is that why he is, if you will, being quiet right now, getting strategy together, moving forward, hoping to sweep all the delegates here in new york? >> his campaign obviously behind the scenes, they're having a bit of an adjustment period. these competing factions, as azi was talking about, they're finding their footing. when it comes to new york, the interesting thing about the monmouth poll is not just that he has a majority statewide but also a majority of the congressional districts. >> which you need if you want to sweep all the delegates. >> absolutely. so he's showing strength at the congressional district level as well. it's hard to eat away at his lead that way. >> so it comes down to this group, and you and i were talking about this earlier, it comes down to this committee. the question will be, when we're focusing directly on that group, who will be represented better
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by this committee if it's a contested convention. >> we took a look this week, to be honest, at 200 delegates or so who are going to be heading into the convention not bound to any candidate, all bets are off. you look at a state like colorado, those delegates are under no requirement to support any specific candidate. pennsylvania is another state along those lines. so you have these delegates for the next three or four months, every delegate is a king, all bets are off. donald trump could legally fly them down to mar-a-lago for the weekend. >> there are few rules associated with, come on, get on my campaign, right? >> that's right. >> it's politics. andrew cuomo famously had a story about where he took delegates for a state convention nominating his father, brought them on a boat, surprise, the engine failed, and he had them stranded for a while, this was before cellphones, he was doing it to secure votes. >> thank you for your time
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breaking news on the investigation of last month's deadly terror attacks across brussels. prosecutors there say a man in custody has confessed to being the so-called man in the hat who was captured on surveillance at the brussels airport with two suicide bombers. he's also linked to last year's attacks in paris. nbc chief global correspondent bill neely is in brussels for us. bill, what do we know? >> reporter: good afternoon, richard. this is significant on a number of levels. first of all, mohamed abrini confirming that he is the man in the hat, ending the mystery that has worried people here, because they didn't know who that man was, they didn't know where he was. they feared that he could strike again. it's only two days since the police issued a public appeal saying that this man was obviously connected to the airport attacks and could the public help, implying that they had run out of leads.
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they have him, they have him in custody, and he is talking. what he said is interesting as well. he said he could confirm that he was in the airport at the time of the attacks. he said he left the airport, fled, he dumped his jacket in a garbage can, and then, astonishingly, he says he sold his hat. just amazing that a man who has taken part in a mass murder is selling for a few euros the hat he wore presumably as some kind of a disguise. the other significant think, richard, is that this man is talking. it's not just that he's confessed to being in the airport at the time of the killing, but that he is talking, and maybe saying a whole lot more that the prosecuter isn't telling us. remember, mohamed abrini wasn't just a driver, some kind of helper. he was at the very heart of this terror cell and the massacres in
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paris and brussels, because his dna and fingerprints were found in safe houses in brussels. his dna and fingerprints were found on a car used in the paris attacks. so this is a man at the very center of the deadliest isis terror cell that has struck europe. and british police are interested in him as well, because it is known that he traveled last year in the summer to england's second city, birmingham, on his mobile phone that was found, photographs of a football, soccer stadium. he's interested police for a very long time, he's now in custody, and he's talking. one caveat, richard. it is possible of course that he's lying. it's possible that he's saying, yep, it was me, i was the man in the hat at the airport, in order to get someone else, some other big fish, some accomplice, time to get away. we don't know that at the moment.
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also charged today were three other men. one of them is significant. he's been known as osama krayem, named by the brussels prosecutor. we know he's swedish. we know he was at the brussels metro. he was in effect the second bomber at the brussels metro. and we also know he bought the suitcases into which the airport bombs were put. all this talk about mohamed abrini, yes, but a very significant second key isis member has been charged today. two other men also charged with mass murder. interestingly, one of them is a rwandan. one of the two men arrested with mohamed abrini were released. three of them were arrested at the same time. you can hear in the background the sirens. this has been a city, for several weeks, of sirens, of police activity, the army on the streets. some in brussels, including
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judicial authorities, already breathing a bit of a sigh of relief, not own that they have mohamed abrini, a key player, they apparently have the man in the hat, the third man at the brussels airport, and that, most significantly, he is talking. back to you, richard. >> thank you so much, bill, with that breaking news in brussels with the very latest. of course we'll continue to watch that right here on msnbc. now let's get back to the latest on the wyoming democratic caucus. we're getting early results. nbc's kristen dahlgren in cheyenne. krist kristen, the surprise and the piece of the breaking news that you reported at the top of the hour for us was laramie county. even the clinton supporters surprised that they eked out a win there. they didn't expect this. . >> reporter: yes, because when you were here in the room for the caucus, there were clearly a lot more senator sanders supporters. he actually did win the live vote today in this room. but then when you count the surrogate ballots, what you might call absentee ballots in a
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primary, those surrogate ballots overwhelmingly went to secretary clinton. and so when you added it all up, secretary clinton came away with 731 votes here in laramie county, and senator sanders came away with 689 votes. so the day here in laramie county went to secretary clinton. but there are 22 other counties, so i want to bring in laurie brand who ran today's convention, to talk a little bit more about what we can expect from the rest of the state. >> i think you'll see various results around the state. it was very close here in laramie county, and we have campaigns actively working here. there are other parts of the state where they haven't had actual campaign staffers, for instance, although i think they were phone banking all over the state. i know almost every democrat in wyoming got called at least two or three times from both campaigns. >> reporter: in a lot of states we see in cities the democratic is much different than where
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else elsewhere in the state. is that the same in wyoming? >> it depends. cheyenne is a metropolitan area. laramie has a lot of bernie sanders supporters. we expect albany county to go to bernie sanders. i'm not sure if you guys have announced that. i expect albany county to go for him. some of the small towns might go for senator clinton. but here is actually the situation. if you are -- wyoming is overwhelmingly a red conservative state. at least 60% registered "r" voters. if you're hardy enough to stay in wyoming and be a registered "d," you're generally a little bit more of a liberal person anyway, you're strong enough to be a democrat in a very red state. so sometimes those people are liberal. and months they can be some of the most liberal people, even
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though they live in a very conservative town. >> reporter: and those you would expect to go towards -- >> you think think they would go towards senator sanders, but then again, there are women who might want to vote for secretary clinton, there are people who are more pragmatic and think she might be more likely to get the nomination. >> reporter: richard, we're waiting and hoping within the next little bit to get those statewide results so we have a better idea. i can tell you really quickly, so far in this county, the delegates were split 26 for secretary clinton, 25 for bernie sanders going into the state convention. when you look at the delegate count, it's very close. ultimately those will be conden condensed, the proportions will be separated into the 14 delegates going to the national convention up for grabs. >> great perspective from your guest as well, nbc's kristen dahlgren with the latest. again, laramie county, one of only 20 counties going for hillary clinton, thank you so much. next, we'll show you the new
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we are just 100 days away from the republican convention in cleveland. we're still nowhere near knowing who will take the party's nomination on that stage when it does happen. today, some bad news for some republicans. a new poll from reuters shows a third of republican voters who support trump, they could turn their backs on the party in november if he's denied the nomination in a contested convention. joining us right now, msnbc political analyst robert trainum. you remember chris matthews asking donald trump what's your leverage, how will you leverage once he get into that contested convention environment. this latest reuters poll seems to give that to him.
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>> yes, there's no doubt about it, a lot of donald trump supporters are very passionate. it appears as of right now that they wouldn't support another republican nominee. but guess what, we're only six months away from the election, and those individuals reserve their right to change their minds. my point is simply it's too early for anyone to think that the republican nominee is going to be ruled out. i strongly believe when we come out of cleveland, pretty united, depending on who the nominee is going to be. going into the fall i think it's going to be pretty much hillary's to lose. >> as you've been watching results along with us here at 30 rock, tuesday is the big day, we've been watching what the results are very closely. as we move into the weekends as of late, we've entered the stage of the 2016 race where what happens on the weekends, they say, delegate selection process, matters more than what happens
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on tuesdays, the primaries. what's your thought about that? because if that's the case, this is not not trump time. >> i agree. at the end of the day, the delegates are more empowered than ever before. the last time we've seen a contested convention was back in 1976 when, people forget this, ronald reagan tried to upseat gerald ford, then the incumbent president. delegate math is very important. my prediction is that donald trump probably will have one shot on the first ballot but i think the second or third ballot is ted cruz's to lose. if in fact ted cruz loses on the second or third about that time, i think the fourth ballot is the dark horse candidate and i strongly do think that it very well could be paul ryan. >> even though he says he doesn't want it? >> well, remember, six months ago, or eight weeks ago, was it, he said he didn't want to become the speaker, and that's what
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happened. >> anything is possible, you're saying. >> anything is possible. >> i was just talking about the trump campaign and its management. politico came out with an article overnight, saying there are three factions all fighting with each other, it's a land grab, his sons and daughter are part of a close inner circle. it seems like, if what this writing says is correct, very disfunctional. >> but not uncommon in presidential campaigns. i've worked on three presidential campaigns so far. this is very common, staff friction with each other and access to the candidate. corey lewandowski, the perceived campaign manager, perhaps may be indicted because of what we talked about a couple of weeks ago with him with a reporter. what's also very dysfunctional is for a candidate to stand by that person when you take a look at tape and know that obviously the reporter was in the right here and mr. lewandowski was in
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the wrong. it's not surprising to me that you may have three functions within the trump organization. his family which obviously know him best, they're very emotional, that's very obvious, we saw that during the romney campaign, and the professional staff. it also seems like his alter ego, paul manafort. >> the new convention there that you're alluding to, we'll get a window into his thoughts on "meet the press" tomorrow. thank you. next, the minority vote, and with recent cases like tray von martin and eric garner, will more people turn out at the polls? what could happen if history repeats itself. does it look li? is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurs student? is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves? is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders
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i don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders
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who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out onto the street to murder other african-american children. maybe you thought they were good citizens. she didn't. she didn't. you are defending the people who killed the lives you say matter. >> former president bill clinton addressing protesters against his and secretary clinton's past positions that affected minority communities. that happening this past week. this in the month of april which marks 24 years since the rodney king verdict and protests. incidentally, that year, 1992, voter turnout rose just like during the civil rights era. the big question this year, is with recent flash points of trayvon martin and eric garner, will more voters be driven to the polls? in the leadup to 1964, birmingham, new york, chicago, crackled over racial inequality. >> bricks and bottles were
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thrown from rooftops. >> it drove that year's voter turnout to century-long highs. 94% of nonwhite voters giving lyndon johnson four more years. then in 1992, the reginald denny beating. 55 died in the los angeles riots. that after four officers were acquitted in the rodney king beating verdict. voter turnout rose 5 percentage points. >> we must not permit this country to drift apart further. >> 77% of nonwhite voters choosing bill clinton for the white house. >> he said i didn't know i was a citizen of canada. >> the big question today, might the same forces be at work in 2016. with recent community crisis ease. >> where it's getting less traction is in the presidential conversation and that's where we like to see it more intensified. >> luis gutierrez hears about
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the topic. he works six days a group for nclr. today at a puerto rican restaurant in orlando. >> i think the things that happen to people are going to affect the elections. >> black people and latinos and all of that stuff, that's always a conversation subject. >> in another swing state, nevada, serena registers voters for asian-american vote. police brutality concerns not a common topic he hears about. new republican larcel mckey registered after 2012. >> i just think everybody is fair. >> people need to open their eyes and see the big picture here. >> this is very much at the top of their agenda. we've done a number of research and polls on this and it still ranks always in the top three. >> the top three of new voters, 26-year-old luis is registering.
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14 each day if he makes his goal. the one serena counts hourly, each registration like gold to her. a smile when she reaches 20 each day. regardless of party, she and luis know, it's these new voters, they're the ones that will decide if places like ferguson will be remembered on election day. richard lui, msnbc, las vegas, nevada. joining us now the dean of the california riverside. how is voter turnout so far. the question being asked, are voters forgetting the crises in communities that happened around 2014 most recently. >> it's hard to tell what voter turnout will be in the general election just looking at the primaries. so far compared to 2008 it doesn't seem as high, but there's a lot of intense interest and even frustration. a lot of people talk about frustration among republican voters. there's also a lot of
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frustration in the democratic party to make sure that the needs and interests of communities of color of racial minorities are being addressed. >> so some folks call you dr. data because you look at the numbers here. early minority turnout numbers in primaries look low, which is not necessarily atypical. when you look at these numbers, how does this cycle compare to 2008? >> well, in 2008 it was a historic candidacy for the african-american community and for racial minorities in general. a lot of racial minorities felt that the obama campaign and election in november was a historic moment. there wasn't -- there isn't as much this time around racial minorities, but many women are color are looking at hillary clinton through the gender angle and the potential history-making there. but these communities probably will turn out in significant numbers. if you look at the democratic share of the electorate that african-americans, latinos and
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asian americans constitute, it's looking to be similar to the 2012 election. >> and we're seeing some numbers that are similar to 2008. again, that open election that we're seeing this year. there's also that which we started the segment with here and that is the, if you will, localized, the grassroots protests that have been seen on both the democratic and republican rallies across the country. >> absolutely. and i think what's really fascinating is you look at states like new york will be heading into california in june, so it's not just the democratic candidates that are getting challenged. when ted cruz has been going to places in new york, people have been challenging him. it's communities of color, not just the standard older white american that is challenging what's going on within the primary process. >> and your space there's a deep existential question. thank you for your time today. >> thank you, richard.
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>> that does it for this hour of msnbc live. i'm richard lui in new york. thank you for spending this time with us. my colleague, francis rivera picks up our team coverage after a short break. stick around. ♪
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ask your doctor about non-insulin victoza®. it's covered by most health plans. good to be with you on this saturday. i'm frances rivera at msnbc headquarters in new york where right now we are watch get 2016 race on both sides of the aisle across two western states. results now being tallied at the democratic caucus in wyoming. we'll take you live to cheyenne. and in colorado, the gop convention under way, ted cruz speaking there last hour, looking to sweep the state's delegates. so what does that mean for donald trump who made a brief appearance in new york city this afternoon? speaking of new york, the turf war continues between bernie sanders and hillary clinton, both stumping across the city and upstate as sanders works to shrink the front-runner's delegate lead. our live team coverage

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