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the john deere ztrak z535m with our reengineered deck to mow faster better. to find out more about the accel deep mower deck, go to in good morning, everyone, i'm ayman mohyeldin. bernie sanders won his seventh straight contest in wyoming. but when it comes to the all-important delegate count it's a draw. clinton and sanders split the 14 pledged delegates up for grabs, seven each end. clinton also picked up the support of four superdelegates bringing her total in that state to 11. meanwhile, ted cruz swept the republican state convention in
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colorado. he's now won 34 of the 37 delegates from the state. this as the boston globe publishes a satirical sunday edition of its idea section, flashing forward to a future where donald trump is president. but all eyes are on the democratic race today, as momentum builds behind bernie sanders, ahead of the new york primary on april 18th. the empire state now an absolute must-win for clinton. >> we are on the path to the nomination. but i need -- i need to win big here in new york. >> saturday night, taking the opportunity last night to poke a little fun at hillary clinton's losing streak. take a listen >> besides who can remember how many states i've lost in a row? is it two? or is it three? i don't -- >> hey mrs. clinton i'm here to pick seven holes in your wall. >> come to think of it, it might have been seven. >> but we start in wyoming where saturday's democratic caucus gave bernie sanders his seventh straight win, nbc's kristen
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dahlgren on the ground for us. she's been there since yesterday covering the developments in cheyenne. good to have you with us. this is the part of the show where a lot of folks are waking up scratching their heads a little bit, because as we were saying sanders got the most votes last night but clinton came out with more delegates. think you're going to have to explain that to some of our viewers. >> right. and there really is a difference, ayman, between the popular vote and the delegate map. so let's start with the popular vote. when you look at it, senator sanders came away with 56% of the popular vote to secretary clinton's 44%. so a difference of 12% there. but then when those numbers are crunched down into delegates, there wasn't enough of a popular vote lead to give senator sanders that one extra delegate, say, so they came away both with seven of those delegates that were up for grabs. of course there are also then those superdelegates. there were four superdelegates here in wyoming. usually party leaders. those four have already pledged to secretary clinton.
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so she really comes away with 11 delegates from wyoming. and he comes away with 7. so, then there are two things really to watch here. one, momentum. we've been talking about it so much with senator sanders. does he have then the momentum coming out of here? now he claims the win in wyoming he did win the popular vote. he talked about winning eight of the last nine states. but is that enough to give him the all-important momentum heading in to new york? the other thing is this caucus format. it really does favor bernie sanders, it takes a lot more sort of time of the people who are going out to vote. and that's favored him because his followers are so passionate about him. but we're sort of winding down in the caucuses and moving more to primary states and so as we go forward we're going to see more primaries. which, you know, he hasn't done traditionally as well in. so one other thing to watch coming out of wyoming. so there's 14 delegates but really it sort of is something that we have to watch going
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forward. what exactly it means for both of these candidates. >> all right my thanks to nbc's kristen dahlgren live in cheyenne there. let's move on to the republican side of the debate. nbc's jacob rascon is live in rochester, new york, where donald trump is expected to hold a rally later this afternoon. jacob, there's been, you know, some talk that it's been a light weekend for the campaign for donald trump himself, not a lot of public events at least. is this a sign of confidence, or do you think this is more a sign that he's tied down with some of the issues going on behind the scenes with trying to reorganize this campaign? >> so it's been an interesting week for donald trump, because he initially had some events in colorado and california. and that was going to be a big deal because he was going to go there into the colorado state convention and try to wrangle some delegates. but he canceled those events, and many thought, and even some of the campaign said, he really wants to focus on new york. but then he ended up not going out for any event for four days,
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except yesterday that private tour of the 9/11 museum. and he tweeted that he had some catching up to do with his business. but all at the same time you had this upgrade, or shift to what they hope is an upgrade in the campaign, where the very experienced gop strategist who's known donald trump since the 1980s, and was hired just a little over a week ago, got these expanded responsibilities. he's going to be in charge of everything having to do with the convention and delegate process and overseeing the washington, d.c. office congressional outreach. so it was a campaign 2.0 almost at the same time that trump took three days off and went on this private tour of 9/11 museum. now he's out today for the first time really since all of that happen happened. they're expect rg more than 7,000 people in an airplane hangar behind me. people already showing up. this is the shot of energy that the trump campaign wants and
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needs after the big loss in wisconsin and losing badly in colorado and elsewhere the delegate race to ted cruz. >> jacob rascon live for us this morning. appreciate that update. here to discuss all of this, "time" magazine washington correspondent jane newton small and ed cox, chair of the new york state republican party. good to have both of you with us this sunday morning. jane, let me begin with you, particularly on the ted cruz momentum that he's had, especially after the between in colorado. trump needs to win 60% of the remaining delegates to lock up the nomination before the convention. how likely is that with the way things stand right now with the primaries and caucuses going forward? >> well, i mean, comparing to ted cruz, who's our cover boy this week on "time" magazine, compared to ted cruz, he needs -- ted cruz needs 92% of the remaining delegates which is extremely unlikely and he's the closest other candidate to donald trump. so in terms of the path to the
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nomination, donald trump is the most likeliest. but it still remains a big question if he's going to get the 1237 delegates he needs in order to become the nominee and lock it down. if he falls short of that we're almost guaranteed to have a contested convention. something like 90% of washington insiders in a recent poll felt that they were sure there would be a contested convention in cleveland, ohio, where the convention will be in july. so that means, it's the -- paul mannafort who was recently hired to lock down delegates, his big job is to sort of figure out not only can he get to the 1237 delegates and win outright but if he doesn't do that, how do they win in a balloting contest delegates and win outright but if he doesn't do that, how do they win in a balloting contest? how many bale lots do they have to go? >> i wanted to play you a sound bite from ted cruz and get your reaction to it afterwards. >> what wisconsin means is donald ames path to 1237 is almost impossible.
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it means the odds of going to a contested convention in cleveland have become much, much higher. i believe the first ballot will be the highest vote total donald trump receives and on a subsequent ballot we're going to win the nomination and earn a majority. >> so i know the rules are the rules. but do you think that it's actually fair that you can tell republican voters that the candidate who got the most number of votes, the most number of 1,237, will not be the nominee at the convention? >> oh, let me first put it in context. and while on a national basis donald trump needs 60% going forward, he's going to need about 75% here in new york state just the way the votes will go in the subsequent primaries in order to get what he needs to win on the first ballot. he really needs to win on the first ballot, i think. after that, all bets are off, we have to see how it works out. >> but do you think it's the fair thing for a candidate to tell those that are voting, that the person who gets the most
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nominees or the most votes and 1,237 will not be the president? >> it has always been the fact that after the first ballot things are wide open but we've never encountered the situation before. it was in '68 the same kind of thing. i was there in '68 as a young 21-year-old. and if mr. nixon hadn't won it on the first ballot it would have been open convention and maybe ronald reagan who didn't have that many delegates could have gotten the nomination on the second ballot. that's the way the system works. >> unprecedented. jane, let me ask you this, the boston globe idea section imagines headlines under a trump presidency. things like the head line i believe was deportations to begin. riots continue. markets sink as trade war looms. will this have any impact? is this going to gain any kind of traction? >> trump continually says the most amazing things. and every time we in the establishment, we in the media, we in washington say anything about, you know, my god, i can't believe he insulted veterans when he insulted john mctain or i can't believe he insulted
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megyn kelly and insulted women, it never seems to stick. so you really wonder if it's going to have an impact. yet you know there is this sense, you know, that he lost wisconsin pretty badly to ted cruz recently. that he is beginning to lag in polls. that there is a kind of effect where voters are beginning to say maybe this isn't the wisest choice for our party. maybe this isn't perhaps the best thing. but we'll have to see in new york. i mean, wisconsin was one thing, but new york was certainly his home state. it's one where it's very much a must-win for him. he's winning by double digits right now in polls. but if he doesn't blow it out of new york. if he doesn't have a huge win, then that really weakens his momentum and his campaign and it significantly reduces the chances that he'll get even close to the 1237 delegates he needs in order to lock down the nomination. and again, you know, weakens his chances of being able to survive a balloting process in the convention floor. >> and ed -- >> this is a big moment for new york republicans. for the first time in the history of primaries in new york
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state, the grassroots will be able to decide on the 19th whether or not donald trump will be able to get on the first ballot and perhaps that will decide who the next president of the united states is going to be. it's very exciting for republicans here in new york. >> the new york primary has taken on a whole level of importance than in the past several cycles. let me ask you really quickly about this visit yesterday by donald trump to the 9/11 memorial here in new york. the new york tps was reporting it was the first time he's ever visited that site. afterwards he released a statement saying this is what new york values are about. essentially taking a dig at ted cruz's comments about new york values. you know, i'm reluctant to say that anything donald trump can say can backfire against him. do you see this backfiring? >> no. i think it's a good thing for him to do, actually. you know, you're talking about a significant portion of the -- even of the republican vote here in new york city. >> yeah. >> and -- >> was it a stunt, though? do you think it was a stunt? >> no, this is a campaign. but, that's also a solemn moment to go down to that memorial, and i think that's the way he treated it. >> all right.
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thank you very much ed cox, republican party chairman here in new york. and jane i'm going to ask you to stay with us. we're going to talk to you a little bit later on in the show as well. next ted cruz gets the cold shoulder from one new york neighborhood. we're going to ask the bronx borough president one of krud's harshest critics why he's been so outspoken about the gop front-runner when he joins us live. life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine, i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways to help improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. breo is not for people whose asthma is well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. once your asthma is well controlled,
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ted cruz swept all the delegates this weekend out west in colorado but with nine days until the new york primary he has no scheduled stops here so far. part of the reason may be cruz's initial stops in new york this past week really didn't go so well. coming off his immigration stance and his derogatory new york values comments. cruz's visit to the majority latino community here in the bronx was met with jeers.
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some yelling at cruz to get out of their neighborhood. a cruz event at a bronx high school was canceled after students threatened to walk out. but the harshest criticisms may have come from bronx borough president reuben diaz jr. who called cruz a hip cat for his bronx visit. joining me now is bronx borough president reuben diaz jr. sir, thank you very much for joining us this sunday morning. >> it's good to be here. >> let's talk a little bit about your father, if i may. >> i know. >> you know, a democratic state senator was the one who invited cruz to the bronx initially last year. here's what cruz had to say about meeting your father and then i'm going to get reaction to it. >> no regrets for hitting new york values? you don't think it's going to hurt you here? >> just a minute ago we were 3450e9ing with hispanic and african-american pastors. senator reuben diaz an african-american democratic state senator, he said i know exactly what you're talking about with new york values. and we can't stand it. >> so, first of all, what is your reaction to ted cruz using your father to essentially double down on his new york
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values comments? and what can you tell us about how that meeting with your father and other ministers went with senator ted cruz? >> it shows you how little he knows about the bronx and new york and our values. just in that clip right there he called my father an african-american. and the fact is, that my father, from prt rico just like other sons and daughters. we always say that our parents don't get it right. cruz got exactly what he deserved. long before donald trump was talking about building a wall to divide us with mexico, cruz was the one saying that manhattan should build a wall so bronxites don't come over. he offended new yorkers and what he received there was exactly what he deserves. that's because he's a hypocrite. now he wants to come into new york. he wants to come into the bronx looking for votes and looking for money when he offended bronxites and new yorkers and you're going to see that on april 19th, new yorkers, albeit on the republican side, i don't think he's going to do well. >> you had hoped that the members of the clergy and your father would tell senator cruz how hurtful his comments have been. but you, yourself, could have met with him and you chose not
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to convey that message. why not? >> this is not a person that i want to identify myself with. and the fact is that when you look at the hispanic clergy organization, the overwhelming majority of their parishioners are immigrants. they're hard-working. they're the reason why the bronx has come back in a long ways. look, we appreciate the fact that presidential candidates are putting a spotlight on the bronx. the fact that we've created so many jobs. 23,000 units of housing over the last six years. the economic development, 54 million square feet of development. so we appreciate that. but at the same time we need, whenever you meet with these types of candidates, and individuals, you have to hold them to task, and let them know that they are offending the same people that you are serving. >> i know that you're a hillary clinton supporter. >> big time. >> and when you take a look at the momentum over the past seven races in which bernie sanders has won, and even with yesterday them both splitting the delegate count. she's taken a lead in wyoming because of the superdelegates, but how critical, how big is it going to be for her to try and win new york? she's up by 12 points but there
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are some saying the momentum is with bernie sanders going ahead into this primary. >> look, again, even though he won last night, it was par for the course like you said on the delegates. it is big. and the clinton campaign and all of we're taking this seriously. that's the reason why there's a lot of phone banking. that's the reason why we've been canvassing and you see that enthusiasm. when hillary clinton came to the bronx she received a much better reception than other candidates. and that's because we know her. we know that she's been there for us on immigration. she's been there for us on criminal justice reform. she's been with us on health care. she's been that friend, especially when she was u.s. senator that has helped to revitalize an area of the united states, in this case the bronx, into a comeback story and that's the reason why on april 19th, you're going to see again, new yorkers, bronxites, come out and vote for the person who we believe has the qualifications, the person who is -- has that know-how of foreign policy, the person who is going to be the next president of the united states. and that's secretary of state
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hillary clinton. >> all right. mr. reuben diaz jr., thank you very much for your time. appreciate it. i'm sure we'll be speaking to you throughout the next several weeks as well. we'll have much more on politics in just a bit. next new developments in the arrest of a prime suspect in last month's brussels attacks where authorities say the so-called man in the hack wanted to attack instead of belgium. stay with us. ♪ uh oh. oh. henry! oh my. good, you're good. back, back, back. (vo) according to kelley blue book, subaru has the highest resale value of any brand. again. you might find that comforting. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. and cannonballsch and clean and real
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this apartment yourself. this is max rue street in one of the suburbs of brussels. this where the gang who bombed the metro and bombed the airport built their deadly bombs. it was the deadliest isis terror cell so far. we know that it's being broken up, and we are now learning a lot more about what it planned to target next, because the prosecutor here has said that france was to be the gang's next target. belgium was only hit because the gang feared arrest, and panicked, as it were, and brought forward their attack and decided to hit brussels. and at the center of it all, the man who has now begun to talk. the paris attacks killed more than 130 people. the belgian prosecutors said this morning the isis cell responsible, based in belgium, had been planning a second hit on france.
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but the arrest of the paris bomber salah abdeslam surprised them, and the speed of the investigation rushed them into an attack on belgium. the new information is coming from this man, hunted for months, disguised to kill, the man in the hat, wheeling his explosives, and thank you confessing his role. mohamed abrini, arrested friday, talking saturday, has been formally charged with the brussels massacres. prosecutors say he admits fleeing the bombings, telling them he threw his jacket in a garbage can and sold his hat. prosecutors had evidence abriny was one of the paris attackers. photographs, dna and fingerprints, but until he talked his role in brussels was unclear. now he's telling them more. >> brussels is a safer place with abrini in jail. >> so police are on the hunt for
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more isis suspects. raiding an part block. the fear is that the terror gang may be bigger, and ready to strike again. >> so mohamed abrini is likely to be questioned again today because no one really believes that everyone in this gang has either been captured or killed. and there are therefore no celebrations here about abrini's arrest for the charges against him. they're still on their guard here. and belgium's prime minister last night was telling people, you know, stay alert, be careful. one other thing, ayman, the apartment building behind me is where the gang was based here in brussels. you will remember that the police found 30 pounds of tatp. that's the explosive of choice, if you like, that isis uses. and also around 50 gallons of explosive liquid. but they used four times that
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amount in attacking the targets here in brussels. now, where did they get all that stuff? where did it come from? and who supplied it? those, ayman, are questions that have never been answered. back to you. >> critical questions in that investigation. bill neely, thanks for that reporting. well for more on the significance of abrini's arrest i want to bring in former homeland security adviser for the state of new york. he joins us live this morning from florida. good to have you with us, sir. let's talk a little bit about this investigation. the prosecutor stressle that abrini's link between the paris attacks, and the brussels bomb ing obviously there's a connection there. how important of an arrest is this in disrupting what appears to be this very large and vast terror cell? >> so with the abdeslam arrest, the abrini arrest, and also this other individual assam k have
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been identified as leaders in the cell. what's essential is to corroborate what they're saying and take a look at what were their operational capabilities. we know what their intent is. and how far does their ring of influence extend outside of their initial community? as your reporter was saying there's lots of questions. how did they amass this amount of tatp. we know by now that tatp is made by precursor element that you can get in stores and things like that. but lots of different questions. brussels is not a huge place. matter of fact, these individuals are all from the same community. so the question is, what type of surveillance was being done? was there a link analysis chart where you examine the relationships between all of them? lots of different questions as to what was the operational temple of the surveillance prior to the brussels and paris attacks? >> and when we saw the arrest of salah abdeslam four days after that you had the bombings in the airport, as well as at the subway station. are you at all concerned as a fomer homeland security adviser that now with the capture of
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these last two fugitives, including mohamed abrini, that this could trigger some other attack somewhere else in europe, that it could set something else in motion like they saw after the capture of abdeslam? >> so the tempo changed obviously when the investigation proceeded. and that's -- but you can't stop the investigation in anticipation of another attack. what you have to do now is find out what were their capabilities. what are their capabilities? and what's the future intent? there's some startling statistics out there. department of homeland security here in the united states estimates that 38,000 individuals since 2012 have gone overseas to try to find some type of relationship with isis. whether it's training, whether it's indoctrination. in addition we have the online campaign that isis has proven to be very effective at. so really the question becomes, is it just a cell we have to worry about? sit the lone wolf attacks? and again, how are they able to take these types of materials that are in our society, and make these devices without
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anybody knowing about it? this is really an ongoing investigation. and that's one of the things that we've got to focus on right now, not only for europe but for the united states, as well. >> a lot of questions keeping a lot of u.s. intelligence officials up at night. thank you very much for joining us this morning. next we're going to turn back to politics. the battle between hillary clinton and bernie sanders takes another turn. why bernie sanders is now asking for an apology from former president bill clinton. also ahead the fight for access to the polls. we'll take a look at the impact new voter i.d. laws are having on this election cycle. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain.
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baltimore, where the presidential candidate is heading later in the afternoon. so, kelly, clinton lost her seventh straight contest last night. and is battling hard to win in new york. how is her campaign retooling for next week, if at all? >> well i think the expectations were that bernie sanders would do well in wyoming. and he did. and the math of this election season that we're all learning so much about is that despite his win they split the delegates. and so hillary clinton can claim that she also kind of made some forward progress in wyoming. and she's also really focused on new york. no question about that. it's must-win on many levels. it's a big state, a state she represented in the senate, and a state she's expected to win. and so when sanders wins in places where he was expected to win sort of the momentum stays kind of at an even pace. if she were somehow defeated in her home state, that could really change the dynamic.
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but still sanders has shown a lot of strength among voters. a lot of energy. and we've also seen, ayman, more tension between the campaigns. now that's to be expected. they're also very quick to praise each other when asked about that, and to show respect for each other. candidate to candidate. but there has been tension. disagreement over issues, and disagreement over some of the dynamics that surround this campaign season. including the black lives matter movement where one protester there was at an event for bill clinton, and got in a bit of a shouting match. it all centered around the 1994 crime bill that he put forward when he was president, that hillary clinton as first lady supported, and she had made some comments about juvenile offenders who are repeat offenders, being predatory, and the former president was trying to defend her about that. and that got in to this heated exchange. now, sanders says it is the former president who needs to apologize. >> what are your thoughts about
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what he said, senator sanders? >> unacceptable. i think that the president owes the american people an apology for trying to defend what is indefensively. >> and sanders and many of the black lives matter supporter say that what clinton said back then was really more of an indictment broadly of young african-american youth in referring to repeat offenders as predatory. this of course comes back in a campaign season and it's part of the fault lines in this campaign and hillary clinton has done much better among african-american voters, so it's a tense area for them to dispute. and in new york, where both have been campaigning, these kinds of things come up, but asking for the apology is a new sort of tension between sanders, and the former president, former president bill clinton is also campaigning today, visiting three churches in harlem. ayman? >> all right, my thanks to nbc's
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kelly o'donnell live for us in baltimore. well joining us now for more on the democratic race, democratic strategist tara dowdell. thank you very much for joining us. let me pick up on that point that kelly brought up which was bernie sanders asking former president bill clinton to apologize. what do you make of that? should bill clinton apologize for those comments that he made during those protests that took place at his event? >> during those protests and during that exchange with bill clinton and the protesters, ifs was not a good look for former president clinton. it did not play well and it's not the type of argument or exchange he wants to be getting into. it's clearly caused a massive distraction for the clinton campaign. i do think that senator sanders is trying to capitalize on it. he's being political. he is looking to make inroads with the african-american community, and he sees this as an avenue for doing so. and i think that's what you see. you see his recognition now that he should have done, and a lot of people know this and it's something that took him -- took a long time to get to. he should have had earlier
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outreach to the ar rican american community. that should have been one of the first things he did with all the other communities. >> let's switch gears and talk a little bit about the delegate count, if we can. you know, we've been saying that the momentum, at least on the state level, has been with bernie sanders. he's won seven contests in a row. certainly the optics of it is that he has momentum. when you look at the delegates in some of the cases like wyoming, hillary clinton is still winning the delegates even though losing the popular count. yesterday hillary clinton put out a statement, i'll put this up on the screen for our viewers, in it the campaign says hillary is winning the popular vote by almost 2.4 million and has nearly an unsurmountable lead in pledged delegates that will become harder and harder to overcome after each contest. at what point does this become insurmountable for bernie sanders from' delegate perspective? >> well, it's already getting to that point. as you stated, hillary clinton is definitely winning the popular vote. she's dominating in the popular vote. so it makes it harder for him to make the case that he's trying to make. he's trying to make the case i
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have momentum on my side, and that i want the superdelegates to reconsider me because of this momentum. but it doesn't change the fact that the popular vote is on hillary clinton's side. and you can't really argue with that. >> and one thing that bernie sanders campaign certainly has is the incredible fund-raising. what we've seen is that it's continuing even though there have been some of these setbacks. in fact "the washington post" recently wrote the sanders cr s crossroots online money machine guarantees he will have the resources and the passion behind his candidacy to contest every primary and caucus between now and june 7th. so even if he doesn't win new york, on april 19th, do you think that he has the resources, and the willingness to go all the way through with this? should he go all the way through with this? >> first of all, should and would are two different things. i'll tell you this, he definitely has the resources to go to take this all the way to the convention. and that's exactly what he intends to do. he's been very clear about that. i think there's no doubt there. i think the other thing that he wants to do is to try to, again,
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he's looking now at -- he criticized superdelegates but he's looking to try to see if he can make inroads with that process and persuade some of those people to know show that he has this support to allow him to stay in the race. he has significant grassroots support and that is a fact of the matter. i think the problem is strategically, his campaign will tell you, our mistake was we didn't attack hillary clinton earlier. no, that was not their mass take. their mistake was that they didn't go out to the asian-american community, the african-american community, the hispanic community earlier. that was the strategic error and that's where they had opportunity. when they failed to do that the plan "b" should have been, and this is something if i were advising them what i'd tell them to do is target younger african-americans. target younger hispanics. target younger asians, because they are -- he's already made inroads with those groups with very little effort. >> and if you're advising them what would you tell them to do, change course in any direction? >> i would tell them to focus on younger minority voters. that's where they have the biggest opportunity. >> we're going to have to leave
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it at that. thank you so much for your time, tara dowdell, democratic strategist. as the primary continues so does the vote over voter access to the ballot. long lines met wisconsin voters in last week's primary. critics blame the state's controversial voter i.d. law for all the confusion out there. then there's the controversy in maricopa county, arizona, where some voters waited for over five hours to vote after the county cut the number of polling places from 200 back in 2012, to just 60 this year. now the department of justice is investigating the matter. joining me to discuss this growing concern is tomas lopez. wisconsin had the highest turnout in a presidential primary since 1972, governor scott walker used to this to say that his voter i.d. law worked. what is your take? what is your response to that that the voter i.d. law worked in getting people to the polls? >> i think we can see from the footage that you just showed with these long lines at the voter i.d. was actually a hindran
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hindrance. >> i want to point out that wisconsin is just one of 17 states that are going to have new voting restrictions in place for the first time in a presidential election this november. and if people don't begin preparing now, this is just a preview of the problems we might see on election day. >> explain to some of our viewers about some of these particular voter laws. you mentioned 17 states. supporters, though of voter i.d. laws say you have to have an i.d. for many important things in life, but many people in lower income minority communities don't have i.d. and up to 350,000 were affected in wisconsin. what efforts have these majority republican governments made to help people get the i.d.s after they enact these types of laws? >> one of the things we've seen is that there have been a lot of problems with these efforts to get people the free i.d.s that are sometimes offered up in these statutes. one thing that we saw in wisconsin was that education efforts were curtailed because of unsuccessful efforts to actually push through and put a plan in place. you know, in texas, another
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state that has a strict photo i.d. law, one where you can use a concealed carry permit to vote, but not a student i.d., there are again issues with people having to travel look distances in order to get the very specific kind of i.d. that you need to vote. >> and as we were just talking it's not just voter i.d. laws in some cases it's literally closing down polling places like in maricopa county, arizona. in the department of justice's letter to the county the doj mentions they heard of dispoe portionate waiting times to vote in some areas where substantial racial or language minority populations. what do you think could come out from a doj investigation into this matter, do you think? >> well, certainly one thing that we need is oversight -- you know, the department of justice can send monitors, they can track a situation but what arizona really speaks to is first of all, election officials not reading the situation properly. and then second of all, the protections that we lost when the supreme court gutted the voting rights act just a few
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years ago. previously, arizona would have had to have a change like this approved before it went into place. now, it happened, and we're dealing with the consequences. >> all right. tomas lopez we're going to have to leave it at that. well the race pore the republican nomination is about to head west but donald trump may not be welcomed in one california city. that story next. (laughing) there's nothing like making their day. except making sure their tomorrow is taken care of too. financial guidance while u're mastering life. from chase. so you can. while u're mastering life. ♪
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welcome back, everyone. as campaigning begins in the critical state of california, the state that could determine the republican nomination, one golden state mayor is telling front-runner donald trump that he's not welcome in her city. west hollywood mayor telling the "l.a. times" that while some communities are rolling out the red carpet, she is rolling up the red carpet. she said she will not provide special events permits or make accommodations for the trump campaign. in a letter to the trump campaign, the mayor writes, quote, the hate speech and
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implicit calls to violence coming from trump and his campaign are beyond the pale and have no place in any community in our country. well, joining me now is west hollywood mayor lindsay horvath. it's very good to have you with us. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to ask you is this really fair? why not let your voters decide? i understand you personally have some concerns about donald trump and the campaign and what he symbolizes, but certainly there may be some folks in west hollywood who have a right to hear what he has to say and make up their own decision. >> this isn't about free speech. this is about hate speech. this is about creating a community that encourages civil discourse. when we have civil discourse, people are more inclined to participate in their communities. this is a message i've been carrying in my community throughout my term as mayor, and this is what i want to see happening in our city, and actually, our city has been very supportive of the letter that i've written and the sentiments that i've expressed. >> the "los angeles times" editorial board, though, having a slightly different opinion. they wrote denying the trump
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campaign a permit that is available to other political speakers would be shutting down speech, indeed a discriminatory use of the permitting process, would be wrong even if west hollywood claimed to be responding to trump's past statements, that seemed to encourage violence. in practice, are you really going to be able to deny trump access to west hollywood? i understand it that city attorneys say that the city will follow the first amendment in this case. >> and -- and we will absolutely follow the law. no one's first amendment rights have been violated. no permits have been denied. no permits have even been applied for. so, before we get ahead of ourselves what we really need to focus on is the kind of language, the kind of violent tactics that are being encouraged by the trump campaign. you know, the "l.a. times" called trump -- trump's action deplorable. they sad that his comments about muslims and mexicans and women were offensive. and i agree. and so did our community. that's why i wroert this letter.
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to call out the kind of tactics that he's using that have no place in civil discourse. >> let me ask you this about the growing petition that's calling on the hollywood chamber of commerce to remove donald from the walk of fame. what are your thoughts on that? do you support that? >> i think i support the hollywood chamber of commerce doing whatever it is they think they need to do to best reflect their values. that what i'm doing to reflect my community's values. the response has been overwhelmingly supportive in my community. although, donald trump across the country have been writing to me, following his lead, using violent language, saying they're going to gut me like a fish. they're sending me videos of dead fetus parts, using racial slurs, homophobic slurs and inciting violence that i want to make sure remain protected. our city is a very diverse one. we're over 40% lgbt, we have russian speaking immigrants, many of whom are concentration
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camp survivors. these are people who understand the impact of hateful speech and violence. we celebrate our diversity in our city. we don't apologize for it. we don't tolerate it. we celebrate it. that's the kind of community we are, and that's the kind of behavior i want to encourage. >> mayor horvath, thank you for getting up with us this sunday morning. we'll be right back after the break. stay with us. cards keep throwing obstacles at you? first - they limit where you earn bonus cash back. then - those places change every few months? i think i'll pass... quicksilver from capital one puts nothing in your way. you simply earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. you can't dodge the question... what's in your wallet? hey pal? you ready? can you pick me up at 6:30?
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welcome back, everyone. bruce springsteen is just the latest high profile celebrity to take a stand across a new law in north dakota. cancelling his show in opposition to a new state law that removes protections for gay, lesbian, and transgender people. joining me is buzzfeed's national lgbt reporter, dominic holden. over 80 businesses making a decision to pull out of north dakota including big ones like paypal.
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do you think there's a role for businesses to play here in pushing the needle forward? is this an effective strategy to get lawmakers in north dakota to change course? >> absolutely. what we're seeing are major corporations leaning on legislatures and governors like legislation like this is moving through states. in the case of north dakota, they introduced and passed the bill in one day so the lobbying window was very small. you see the corporations saying there is going to be a price. paypal being the most aggressive by saying that it's going to withdraw its plan to expand, an estimated $20 million in pay roll is no longer going to the state of north dakota. this is really challenging for conservatives who have pushed these anti-lgbt bills because on the one hand, they have their base of evangelical christians and conservatives who support these policies. but then businesses, another part of their constituency, is pushing back. >> you wrote briefly about the
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potential federal complaints or complaints launched against north dakota for this particular issue. do you believe that the federal government has a role to play in this? can they step in to address some of these grievances? >> that's the big question. is the obama administration at this point going to take a legal argument against the state of north dakota or other states like mississippi? they absolutely have interpreted certain civil rights laws in schools and the work place to say this sort of discrimination are illegal. are they going to join lawsuits or take action? that's the question. >> apprec aeappreciate your tim. that's all for me this morning. joy reid continues our coverage next. have a great sunday, everyone. of their type 2 diabetes with non-insulin victoza®. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar. but it didn't get me to my goal. so i asked my doctor about victoza®. he said victoza® works differently than pills. and comes in a pen.
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msnbc's washington, d.c. headquarters. the results are in. as expected, bernie sanders won yesterday's democratic caucus in wyoming. though the two candidates will split the state's 14 pledged delegates evenly. and hillary clinton already has the support of four superdelegates. but today, both candidates are already looking ahead to bigger prizes further down the campaign trail. hillary clinton is getting a head start on maryland's april 26th primary, and its 95 available delegates with a rally at 2:30 today in baltimore. but she still has her eye on the next big contest in new york on april 19th. and bill clinton will be campaigning there for her at two events in new york city today. meanwhile, bernie sanders will wrap up his third straight day of campaigning in the empire state with a rally in coney island at 2:00 p.m. sanders is trailing hillary clinton by 18 points in a new primary poll released by emerson college. but those numbers are a big improvement for sanders who narrowed that margin fm


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