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>> steve kornacki picks up our coverage after a break -- right now, actually. have a great day, everybody. >> can you turn this, please. he's right there. keep turning it. right there. yeah. we're going to him now. okay? and good morning. i'm steve kornacki. topping our agenda this hour, donald trump goes 0 for colorado. >> we've got a corrupt system. it's not right. we're supposed to be a democracy. >> the republican front runner once again finding himself out organized and out hustled by ted cruz and this time tsz cost trump all 34 from the state of colorado. we're going to have all the latest on the stop trump movement's furious push to keep
trump from hitting the magic number and to throw this summer's republican convention wide open, but does donald trump have a secret weapon? >> i'm confident. we have several ways through june 7th to go over 1,237. >> and that is also on our agenda this morning, it's the most important number of the day, it's a number that hasn't really gotten much attention but we're going to tell you what it is and why it could be the key to trump actually locking up the republican nomination without a convention fight. that's still to come. and rounding out our agenda, another weekend, another bernie sanders win. >> let me give you a news bulletin, we just won wyoming. >> that is seven out of the last eight now for bernie sanders. after that wyoming victory on saturday sanders says he has the momentum now to grab the nomination from hillary clinton, but new numbers show he is still
a big underdog in the next big test right here in new york, this as a new campaign controversy breaks out over a law that the last president clinton signed two decades ago. we will dive into that. we will dive into a whole lot more, but we begin this hour with trump's lack of organization. the problem, the headache it is causing his campaign right now. ted cruz as we just said going 34 for 34 so far in the hunt for delegates in colorado. it's a result that has left trump crying foul and signs elsewhere in the country now pointing to cruz picking off delegates in small but potentially crucial bunches. trump's convention manager paul manafort on nbc's "meet the press" accused cruz of calling what he called gestapo tactics. >> i acknowledge that we weren't playing in colorado and they did, i acknowledge that they've taken a pro etch to some of the county conventions where they have taken a scorched earth
party and don't care about the party. if they don't get what they want they blow it up. that's not going to work. >> trump reacting on twitter last night, quote, the people of colorado had their vote taken away from them by the phoney politicians. biggest story in politics, this will not be allowed. hallie jackson covering the cruz campaign, she's here with me in new york city, jacob rascon is in albany in new york ahead of a trump rally today. so, hallie, let's start with you. we've got the stop trump effort, the ted cruz effort, they've merged for the moment at least. colorado is a big thing for them. they take all the delegates, trump is crying foul, where else can they pull this off the rest of the way? >> pennsylvania next, they're also looking at indiana, a campaign aid telling me they are working to pull in more organization there and to make sure that they're set up in that state and the other interesting part is what's happening in california. that is where senator cruz is today, out campaigning, holding a couple rallies in the southern part of the state. i am told that we will see later
today several dozen endorsements rolled out from elected officials in the republican party in california, which is a way for cruz to be able to point to that slate and say -- not technically a slate of delegates but a slate of supporters and say look at the momentum i have, look at the people who are coming behind me who have been elected in california and can come out and act on my behalf. >> there was a gathering of some donors in las vegas and mixed signals from them about whether they're going to rally around ted cruz to stop trump or if they're still waiting, sitting on the sidelines. >> this could play out in a number of different ways. what we're seeing from trump when he makes this argument that the system is corrupt, right, when paul manafort goes on "meet the press" and tells chuck that the ted cruz team is using gestapo tactics which the cruz campaign has pushed back on, all that does is alienate the republicans who have built that em system. i got off the phone with a top adviser who said by insulting the system he's insulting the people who built it including those delegates who will be in
cleveland if there is a contested convention. >> let's bring in jacob rascon, he is up in albany. jacob, we have a trump rally, i see there's a trump car behind you right now, that's an interesting piece of -- >> interesting souvenir there. but we also have donald trump, he was not on the sunday shows but he is speaking out this morni morning. >> reporter: yeah, he is, and he's going back to his argument about how in his words the system is corrupt. he has been outmaneuvered and even paul manafort is admitting that and talking about that on "meet the press," but there is no doubt that donald trump is way ahead when we're talking about the primary in new york and these east coast states and his play is to take 1,237 before the convention, probably going all the way down to california where ted cruz is today. but you're hearing pal manafort talking about hiring new people, that was part of the release from donald trump that came out last week, hiring seasoned operatives, they plan they say to steal their own delegates in the course of the next couple of
weeks. they know they were out maneuvered again but watch closely this argument, in fact, even them mentioning bernie sanders, he has done that now three times in the past couple of days and even on fox and friends this morning, take a listen. >> what kind of a system is this? i'm an out sierd and i came into the system and i'm winning the votes by millions of votes, but the system is rigged. it's crooked. when you look even at bernie, i'm not a fan of bernie, but every time i turn on your show bernie wins, bernie wins and yet bernie is not winning. >> so that's his argument. over and over again. and we'll see if people will connect with that argument or not. it seems to go along with his entire message that he is this outsider going up against the establishment in this corrupt system. it's just an extension of what he has always argued for ten months. we will see if it works for him. it may. steve. >> jacob rascon in albany and hallie jackson back in the
studio. if ted cruz -- the strategy obviously to win the nomination is to do what he did in colorado, if he can do it elsewhere, pick off delegates -- >> iowa, south carolina. >> technically they could do that, but this argument that trump is hiring back with, this idea this is undemocratic, if trump comes in there with the most votes, the most delegates, the most states won, is the cruz campaign thinking at all about how that looks if that's how they win it. >> and the messaging on that because that is something that the cruz campaign is going to have to do is explain what is a complicated delegate system, they don't have the advantage of your big board to be able to break it down for people. when you ask them about the messaging the campaign will say and has to see me think of it kind of like a football game. it's this idea just because you made it to the red zone doesn't mean they should give you the touchdown. you have to make it over the goal line. the rules are the rules. will that be an effective argument in a campaign season where the insurgent has captured so much of the momentum. that may be a tough sell.
the strategy from the cruz campaign is to get out and drill down into delegates and get into the nitty-gritty, make sure they know every delegate, what they like and don't like and lock up those people. how will that resonate with voters, though. >> it's all they've got right now when you're a couple hundred delegates behind. we will bring in now ben ginsburg, he was the rules maker of the 2012 republican convention, now he is an msnbc political analyst, also a partner at the jones day law firm. thanks for taking a few minutes. let me ask you about the question we're talking about right here. obviously ted cruz the stop trump forces they have the right under the rules of these state republican parties to do what they did in colorado and in other states to try to pick off as many delegates as they can, but what about that bigger question of how that looks, that argument that it opens up for donald trump to say, hey, this is undemocratic? >> well, everyone gets a chance to make that argument. the more we discuss having to get to 1,237 to win the
nomination, something echoed by paul manafort yesterday on "meet the press," then that becomes the goal and that will be the focus of things as we get closer to cleveland. one thing that's also worth noting is that when you're in cleveland either campaign will be able to change the rules if they have support in the hall. a pretty democratic concept. but donald trump can maneuver those rules in cleveland to say you only need a plurality of votes to win. if he can get that vote and he's short of 1,237 he's going to win. if ted cruz says you need a majority of delegates to win and that's what the rules committee and the delegates choose, then that's where the convention will play out. >> here is where it gets really dicey, this could get a little complicated, i'm going to try to phrase this the right way. let's say there's this scenario where donald trump wins in these primaries and caucuses more than 1,237, he gets more than 1,237 pledged delegates, but when these states actually meet up to
choose their delegation some of these delegates who are pledged to trump under the current rules don't actually support trump, they go to the convention under the current rules they're supposed to vote for trump. there there is a majority of delegates who don't really want donald trump is there a scenario where they would change the rules even if he won more than 1,237 pledged delegates in the primary? does that make any sense? >> it does make sense. the reality is that a convention can do whatever it wants. so that they could change that dynamic. for example, while you can make the rule of plurality winner, majority winner you can make the rule a super majority winner. so that would be a rules committee fight to say that in order to win the majority you need a super majority, 60%, 67%. there is some history back in the 1800s for that and the convention. that would be one way to look at it. that would be extraordinary. my guess is that if a candidate comes in the convention with
1,237 that that, in fact, will be the nominee of the party. >> also we have this interview paul manafort gave to chuck todd yesterday, i want to play a little bit more. he's talking about a strategy for his own campaign for chasing down these delegates and what is and isn't appropriate on that front. >> i guess what is fair game in getting a delegate? is paying for their convention cost? is it golf club memberships? what's fair and unfair in this? what's ethical, what's unethical? >> there's the law and ethics and getting the votes. i'm not going to get into what tax tick are used, i think the best way to get delegates is to have donald trump expose the delegates. >> an interesting quote there, he said there's law and the ethics and getting votes. i'm imagining a scenario we get to the end of the primary process -- could the trump campaign be inviting these unbound delegates to go to come down to mar-a-lago?
>> the 40 days of wooing will be quite wonderful for any unbound delegates. the gerald ford 1976 brought people on air force one, had invitations to state dinners at the white house as james baker said over the weekend to delegates. as long as it is paid for with federally legal money, which can include donald trump's personal money, then i think you can take them dn to florida and give them rides on the plane. >> and also we were talking about this with hallie jackson a minute ago, too. another bit of news in the republican side over the weekend a gathering in las vegas, the question here sheldon addel son is the biggest name but a number of donors and will they line up with ted cruz and try to stop donald trump. still, though, here we are getting well into april still mixed signals from a lot in the party's donor class about exactly what they want to have happen here. with the lack of sort of unity
here to stop trump that does seem to have an advantage for trump at this late date. no? >> i would agree with that. i think the a.m. by lens coming out of the republican jewish committee meeting is the same for the rest of the people. people in the rgc care deeply about politics and who the president is. i think that was a transitory situation and my guess is they get more involved the closer they get to the convention, it's just how they get involved that's the issue. >> all right. ben ginsburg, thanks for the time this morning. i appreciate it. >> coming up, while colorado looks to be ted cruz's secret weapon our most important number of the day is going to look at what may be donald trump's secret weapon. that number and why it's so important coming up in just a few minutes. but first the race for the democratic nomination as bernie sanders turns up the heat on hillary clinton after another
win out west this weekend. sanders pushing hard to gain ground and pull off a big upset in clinton's home state. what would it take for sanders to pull it out in new york? we will talk to someone who knows this state's democratic party better than anyone. the one and only reverend al sharpton. he made an appearance on "snl" this weekend playing a political analyst against the other al sharpton. take a look. >> the black vote is crucial in this election and you've created an al gore rhythm to show where our community is leaning. >> that's right. my algorithm is called the black approval rating scale. each candidate gets a number between one and ten based on their standing in the black community. >> and how about donald trump. >> come on, now. come on, now. >> come on now. >> come on now. >> right now donald trump has a black approval rating of negative 1,048. d've taken a left at the river.
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against everything new york and america stand for. >> with so much at stake she's the one tough enough to stop trump. values forged in new york, brooklyn born, native son, who knows what we know, we're all in this together. >> brand new ads there from the clinton and sanders campaign now running here in new york ahead of next week's pivotal new york state democratic primary, bernie sanders touting his brooklyn roots, hillary clinton taking aim at donald trump and trying
to position herself as the strongest candidate to take on the republican front runner. we also have new polling to share with you, this is a fox news poll that shows clinton opening up a 16 point lead in new york over bernie sanders, a 16 point lead with eight days to go until the primary. now, this comes with sanders coming off another big weekend, another big win, this time it was out in wyoming, the caucuses there. his seventh victory out of the last eight state contests. what does that do to the all important question of delegates on the democratic side. gets confusing on the democratic side you have the super delegates and pledged delegates. these are the ones that are given out in primaries and caucuses. the sanders campaign is saying, look, if we can catch her in this category these super delegates will have no choice but to flip their allegiance and go to bernie sanders. we are not sure if that's what will happen but let's take that argument right now and see the pledged delegate count right now you see hillary clinton has a
lead of 246 over bernie sanders. this is the bad news for bernie sanders out of the weekend because they had 14 delegates up for grabs in wyoming, sanders won the state, but when it came to delegates hillary clinton got 7 and bernie sanders got 7. it was a tie. so the lead stays at 246. one thing to make this even more complicated, the state of washington which bernie sanders won big it hasn't begin out its delegates yet, when it does that 246 will come down to 210 but still a big lead for hillary clinton there. just to give you a peek ahead, these are all the states left to come on the democratic side. sanders would into he had to erase that 210 pledged delegate lead hillary clinton has in these states. the first one up in new york. he really does need to pull off a win there if he's going to have any chance of overtaking her in the pledged delegate column. sanders on "meet the press" yesterday telling chuck todd that he does have momentum on his side. >> we have cut secretary
clinton's lead by one-third in the last month. we have won eight out of nine contests, national polling in the last three polls two of them have us ahead. we're running stronger against donald trump and other republicans than secretary clinton. we have the momentum, i think we stand a really good chance to do well in new york state and pennsylvania and as we head into other states. so we're feeling really good with a path toward victory. >> all right. here to talk now about the democratic race is kristen welker. kristen, bernie sanders backing off the comments about hillary clinton not being qualified to be president, but he is staying on the attack. >> he is staying on the attack. it's really interesting, he questioned her judgment over the weekend, which in some ways is just as strong of an attack and we're seeing him keep up these sustained attacks as he's trailing her here in new york. as you pointed out that poll came out showing him trailing by about 16 points, i've been talking to his campaign officials throughout the weekend they say this is going to be an uphill climb for us but we will
keep pointing out what they think are important distinctions not only on judgment but policy issues as well, he will be talking about tracking today but take a look to what he had to say over the weekend. >> she may have the experience to be president of the united states, no one can argue that, but in terms of her judgment something is clearly lacking. >> do you have doubts about what kind of president he might be? >> no, i don't. i don't have any -- anything negative to say about him. >> so you're seeing this rhetoric kind of keep up its pace, one sanders campaign official telling me a win here would really be a single digit loss because right now she does have that big double digit lead. one more thing to point out, bill clinton causing a little bit of controversy last week, he had that interaction with protesters who were opposed to his 1994 crime bill, got a lot of discussion over the weekend, secretary clinton defending him and saying, look, this is something that's very important for him, it's his record, he gets personal when it talks about defending me but it
underscores one of the challenges which is that bill clinton sometimes goes off message and sometimes that's a problem for the clinton campaign. >> that's interesting what you said there. to the sanders campaign dialing back expectations now saying a small loss in new york would be a moral victory. >> that's right. >> what we showed on that board when you're 210 delegates behind there really aren't moral victories behind at this point. >> absolutely. >> thanks for that. appreciate it. as kristen was saying there is this controversy that's taken hold on the democratic trail over bill clinton's confrontation with black lives matter protesters last week in philadelphia. the former president vigorously defending his 1994 crime bill as well as his wife's use of the term "super predators" back in 1996 to refer to violent gang members this as she had pushed for the president's crime agenda back in the 1990s. over the weekend hillary clinton defending her husband's remarks while at an event at harlem's apollo theater bernie sanders went on the attack.
>> unacceptable. i think we all know what that term meant when -- in the context that it was said years ago. we know who they were talking about. >> black people. >> that's exactly right. that's who it was. and i think that the president owes the american people an apology for trying to defend what is indefensible. >> well, i think what bill said is that we should all be listening to each other and i certainly have been listening and i think it's important for people to recognize we have work to do. that there were a lot of people very scared and concerned about high crime back in the day and now we've got to say, okay, we have to deal with the consequences and one of the consequences is in my view overincarceration of people who
should not have been in the criminal justice system. >> our next guest has been deeply involved in new york politics for decades now through his national action network, we are talking about reverend al sharpton, the most of politics nation right here on msnbc. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, steve. >> i want to ask you about new york but let's start on this controversy over bill clinton over those comments last week, bernie sanders says bill clinton owes an apology for that. do you agree with that? >> i think that the way that president clinton responded in terms of his kind of reprimand and lecturing was inappropriate and i think he said in retrospect i don't know what he means by almost apologize. >> the classic clintonian in between. >> i think we've got to be fair that both senator sanders and hillary clinton supported the crime bill. the irony is there is no division in what they did in
'94. the network and i were one of the groups saying wait a minute, we want to see something done to crime but this bill goes too far. he was in congress and voted for it. she as first lady supported it. so i think that we're looking at a distinction without a difference. now, the predator statement is a different issue, but, i mean, i think that clearly many of us said we think that was an offensive statement, she says she was talking about gang members, but one of the things we will be dealing with at the convention this week is if we're going to take her statement of 20 years ago you have to take his statement in the recent debate where he referred to blacks as being in the ghetto and being poor. so -- and that was just three weeks ago. so how do we weigh what? but i want to make it real clear there is no difference in '94 clinton and sande on how they supported that bill and the reason i take that personally is because we were trying to get members of congress to say it was going too far. >> what about -- bill clinton part of his response, too, it
seems he's protective of his legacy. he understands that that bill is always going to be part -- that law is always going to be part of his legacy. >> and it was wrong. >> he was saying last week when he starts getting into some statistics he says violent crime did go down significantly over the last 20 years, he's basically saying there were positive outcomes from this bill. do you concede that? >> there were some positive and we said that in '94 because they had community policing in it, they had a lot of things in it that was good. we just felt that the bad could outweigh the good and it did. it led to further mass incarcerati incarceration. didn't start -- it was already going there. i think "the new york times" did an excellent article on that. so i think that our fears were that it would be -- it would -- the bad would outweigh the good, it dealt with death penalty, all that was in the bill which is why i said i disagree with mrs. clinton and sanders who voted for the bill because they voted
for and supported a bill that included death penalty expansion, that included the whole question of mandatory sentence, that included a lot of things that outweighed the community policing and all. so, yes, there were some good aspects of it, but we thought it was outwhat i had and i think here both of them had bad judgment. >> you knew new york politics, new york democratic politics as well as anyone. we put that polyp on the screen, clinton 53, sanders 37. can sanders win new york? i think it's going to be a question of who turns out their voters. i think that what senator sanders has said notwithstanding my disagreement about '94, what he's saying has had real significance, it resonates a lot and i've said to him, his real challenge is can he get to african-american voters. what no one wants to talk about is all over the country where she has been able to make the difference is with the african-american voters. >> why hasn't he? that has been -- >> i think that's the challenge.
even with young black voters you have not seen them come out to the degree that young white voters have. >> i think the best i have seen him do was maybe 31, 32% in michigan and illinois and i've seen him down at 10, 12% in some of these states. >> which is why i'm raising this. 30% is good for a republican. for a progressive democrat that is not anything near good and i think part of it is that he's got to make his argument about finances and about class also factoring in race because black middle class and white middle class is not the same thing. black lower class and white lower class is not the same thing and i think a lot of people when they hear it in the black community are saying, but main street doesn't include us, either. and i think that he has missed that. if he was able to close that gap he could not only win new york, he could win a lot of other places, but they almost seem to be in denial that they have the problem. you know, it's like they're
telling themselves we're doing all right among young blacks because they're doing better with young blacks and old blacks but you are not doing well with the black community as a whole. that's dilution nl and i think they need to have a reality check there. >> i just want to let everyone know that his national network convention is kicking off tomorrow night, both hillary clinton and bernie sanders are scheduled to be speaking. that will be a big event here ahead of the new york primary. ahead on this show a disappointing weekend for donald trump to say the least, but does he have an ace in the hole in pennsylvania? something that nobody is talking about but something that we think is the most important number of the day. we're going to tell you what it is and explain it. that is next. cia chief john brennan speaking out about the future use of water boarding, part of his exclusive interview with richard engel. that is also ahead.
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several ways through june 7th to go over 1,237 and, you know, not in that at all are any of these unbound delegates who are getting selected many of whom i feel pretty good about. >> donald trump's new convention manager paul manafort emphasizing unbound delegates as a potential path to victory if donald trump can't clinch the bound delegates by june 8th. that is one of the real wild cards left in this republican race, the unbound delegates, these are free agents, delegates who are free to vote for whoever they want at the convention, they are not pledged to any candidate and that is going to bring us to what we are calling the most important number of the day today. that number is 54. 54 is the number of unbound delegates in pennsylvania and that could prove particularly crucial for donald trump. let's go through this. so first of all this is a poll, this is just out yesterday from fox news in pennsylvania, pennsylvania is going to vote a little bit later this month but look at this, donald trump a commanding overwhelming lead in
pennsylvania. 48, 22, 20. so why is this so important? check this out. this is april 26, these are you will at states voting we're focusing on pennsylvania. what do you have in pennsylvania? this 17/54. 17, these are the bound delegates, if you win pennsylvania you get 17 delegates. so if that poll is right donald trump is going to pick up 17 by winning the state but here is the big wild card, it's these 54. 54 our most important number of the day. these are the unbound delegates. so what we've been seeing in other states is that ted cruz and the stop trump forces have been organizing where they can get their hands on unbound delegates to put people in those slots who don't want donald trump. so when they get to the convention they will join the movement to stop trump, but this is where things get interesting because think of that poll i just showed you in pennsylvania. in overwhelming trump lead. now consider this, the pittsburgh tribune-review newspaper went and surveyed all of the people running to be
delegates in pennsylvania, to get those 54 unbound slots and what they found was that a lot of those people, 69 of them to be exact, 69 people running for delegate slots in pennsylvania say they will honor the vote in their district. in other words, they say if donald trump wins their district, they will vote for donald trump at the convention. now, they will not be bound by that commitment, but they are saying that right now. and that poll indicates that donald trump is probably going to be winning an awful lot of districts in pennsylvania. so why is that so key? if donald trump can get a big chunk of those 54 unbound delegates, people are not factoring this right now into the 1,237 number crunching, but if donald trump these are the other contests that come in may and june, let's say donald trump finished up, went through all these primaries an finished up with 1,210, remember, 1,237 is the magic number that you need, well, that's where the unbound delegates come into play.
ted cruz doing well well with them in colorado, in north dakota, but if donald trump got 35 of them out of pennsylvania, that 1,210 would become 1,245 and he would be over the number. this is a potentially vital ace in the hole for donald trump. a big win in pennsylvania, candidates for delegate right now saying they will honor the vote in their district. if he wins big there's going to be a lot of pressure on those unbound delegates in pennsylvania to go to donald trump. it won't be etched in stone, but there will be a lot of pressure for them to do that. that could be -- could be a difference maker. we will know as time goes by, but that's our most important number of day, the 54 unbound delegates from pennsylvania. moving on now to other important news, the cia director making some headlines this morning, we've heard donald trump say that he is open to using enhanced interrogation techniques like water boarding to go after isis, but in an exclusive interview cia chief john brennan telling our richard engel he would reject that even
if trump ordered it as president. >> there were things that i thought were not necessary in order to prosecute this effort against al qaeda. there were things that i think really hurt this organization and institution over time. so i would -- it would be very scenario dependent but absolutely some of those eit's that i certainly would not count not only in this organization but other organizations from carrying out. >> and trurp responding to thatten on fox this morning. here is what he had to say. >> i think his comments are ridiculous. i mean, they chop off heads and they drown people in cages with 50 in a big and big steel heavy cages, drop them right into the water, drowned people and we can't water board. we're playing on different fields and we have a huge problem with isis which we can't beat and the reason we can't beat them is we won't use strong tactics, whether it's this or other things. >> you can hear much more from
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how about that stupid "boston globe"? it's worthless. sold for a dollar. did you see that story? the whole front page they made up a story that trump -- they pretended trump is the president and they made up the whole front page is a make believe story, which is really no different from the whole paper for the whole thing. i mean, the whole thing is made up. >> that was donald trump yesterday slamming "the boston globe" after the paper presented a dooms day vision of a trump presidency in the form of a fake front page. if you haven't seen it, check it out, this was in yesterday's "boston globe," the boston sunday "globe" and the party was dated one year in the future, it predicts mass deportations, nationwide riots, plummeting stocks, an illegal war with the
press. we should note this ran on the front of the ideas section of the sunday "globe," not the actual front page of the "globe," the "globe's" editorial board describing it as, quote, an exercise in taking man at his word. trump's vision of america promises to be as appalling in real life as it is on black and white on the page. right now i'm joined di katie the deputy managing editor for the boston "globe" and editor of the ideas section. let me ask you this: why donald trump? you've got other candidates running for president, some of them have said provocative thing, some of them have put proposals out, you have a self-described socialist on the democratic side running for president. why no vision of collectivism of bernie sanders being elected president? >> i think time will till, we're continuing to report out this story and we really wanted to focus on trump now because we're heading into some important elections, we have new york coming up, pennsylvania, california, all places where
trump still has real momentum and we want the gop to step up and stop him. >> why -- let me ask you this, though, first massachusetts right now is donald trump's best state, he got 49% of the vote in the republican primary, he has yet to do better in a single state. are you out of step with your readers on this? >> we don't think so. we really hoped to create a conversation around the vision that trump has for his presidency and what he wants to accomplish in the white house and we have done that and we couldn't be more pleased. >> what about the question of fairness? newspapers run editorials all the time and endorse candidates and say we don't think this candidate is the best choice, we think this candidate shouldn't be in office. this is extraordinary what you're doing any measure. if a trump supporter looks at the "boston globe" and says you can't trust "the boston globe," you can't trust their news coverage because they are out to get us wouldn't they have a point now? >> no. i mean, in reality for
generations newspapers have had editorial pages and news operations that have worked separately, the editorial page every single day comments on politics and other news wouldn'e argument that this could help donald trump? so much of what's fueled him is this sense that the establishment, the political establishment, the media establishment, liberals in general, are out to get him. doesn't it look that way maybe to a trump supporter? >> actually, we're advocate nothing new. it's something that the republican party is already doing. we saw this in wisconsin when the governor, the political establishment, and the talk radio hosts banded together to defeat trump. and they did it. >> all right. katie kings' bury, editor for the "boston globe." you have a lot of people talking. thanks for the time. >> thank you. >> and coming up, republicans in new york state, the candidates hoping to grab some of the attention from the democrats here. we went to staten island. that is the heart of the
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and with the action on the republican side shifting to new york state ahead of the april 19th primary here, a lot of attention on donald trump's supposed home court advantage. this is his home state, after all, but two people very close to him, it turns out, will not be part of the home court advantage. his son eric, his daughter ivanka. they apparently have missed the deadline. the deadline was back last october to change their registration from unaffiliated to republican. and to participate in the republican primary. neither one of them made that switch in time. neither one of them will be able to vote in the republican primary for their father. this, a quote coming in now from an abc news embed who said donald trump addressed this and said they feel very, very
guilty, he said. eric and ivanka, i guess, won't be voting. donald trump still does have the home field advantage here in new york, but not every trump will be voting for him here in new york. they have some of the strictest laws in the country when it comes to registering and voting in primaries. the same subject here of new york, trump and john kasich holding events in upstate new york later today. with that race heating up eight days before the primary, and down here in new york city, the big prize is staten island. that's one of the boroughs. one of the five boroughs of new york city. the one where most of the republicans live, though. more than 81,000 registered republicans there. when republicans win mayoral elections in new york city, it's because of staten island. and so our msnbc national correspondent joy reid has been talking to some staten island republicans this morning. what are they telling you? >> all right, good morning, steve. i'm here in mike's unicorn diner in staten island. as you said, this is considered the most republican borough. you're a stat guy.
more than 280,000 registered voters in staten island. only 45% democrat, 29% republican. it's not a majority republican part of new york city, but just by way of comparison, brooklyn, queens, manhattan, 70% to 78% democratic. it will be interesting to see if some of the reagan democrats do what the trump kids didn't do and reregistered as republicans to vote. i will tell you despite the statistics, this is definitely trump country. we talked to a few of these voters that are trump voters for and against on the staten island ferry this morning. >> i do have friends of all political persuasions, but i tend to lean towards like-minded friends and family. and from what i understand, donald trump has a huge, huge following on staten island. staten island is the red borough. >> unsure really how legitimate donald trump was, but i guess he sparked -- he sparked something in a lot of people that people
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