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studying this and helping us out with it. appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> chris hayes is up next. are latest reporting that paul ryan is waiting in the wings. then, hillary clinton stays on offense. >> senator sanders has had trouble answering questions. >> the sanders campaign starts talking about a contested democratic convention. jane sanders will join me live. all that plus what's missing from donald trump's charitable giving. >> i give a lot of money. >> "all in" starts right now.
good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. after being mia from the campaign trail and skipping his regular phone calls to the sunday shows for the first time in five months, donald trump is back on the road in upstate new york with a rally in rotchester last night. trump is pinning the blame on the entire republican nominating process. >> the system is rigged. it's a rigged, disgusting dirty system. it's a dirty system. you saw what's happening in colorado. it's one of the big things. it's a fix because we thought we were having an election and a number of months ago they decided to do it by, you know what. right? they said we'll do it by delegate?
we think about democracy and think about our country. let me tell you a little secret as far as our country is concerned. we have a democracy, but we have to keep our democracy. we're going to do that. >> the statewide convention took place over the past weekend. the three remaining slots to go to officials. on saturday ted cruz completed a clean sweep of colorado's delegate. the result of a well organized grass roots effort. trump's campaign was almost totally absent. >> i'm the state delegate director. >> when did you start in that role? >> on wednesday. our expects are very low. we don't expect even one delegate.
if we get one, that's a win for trump in colorado. >> real low. we barely expect just to live for the next 48 hours trump's people did show up to pass out flyers and the three digit number showing where to find them on the crowded 600-person ballot. seven of the names directed people to the wrong number and one delegate's name was misspelled. it wasn't just colorado. a number of states that held primaries picked people. trump supporters lost out to delegates. the candidate himself admitted that two of his own children, including ivanka missed last month's registration deadline for new york's closed primary
next week. >> ivanka and eric trump unable to register because of the rules. are the rules in new york unfair? >> no they had a long time to register and unaware of the rules. they didn't register. they feel very, very guilty. >> trump is now blaming his delegate losses in colorado and elsewhere on the nature of the nomination process. a process he seemed to have grasped recently, if at all. he's making common cause of democratic candidate, bernie sanders. >> in colorado where they just get all of these delegates and it's not a system. there was no voting. i didn't go out there to make a speech or anything. there's no voting. i heard them say that's the way it is. that shouldn't be the way it is. this was changed to help cruz. i'm an outsider and came into the system and winning the votes by millions of votes. the system is rigged. it's crookcrooked. i'm not a fan of bernie and every time i turn on the show, bernie wins, bernie wins, but he's not winning.
>> he tweeted that how is it possible that the people of the great state of colorado never got to vote in the republican primary. great anger. totally unfair. the harder he makes it for party officials to steal the nomination at a contested convention where trump is all but certain to have the most votes and the most delegates. if he falls short of the magic number to clench the nomination, republicans may have a legitimacy problem on their hands. trump's new convention manager is chipping away at the legitimacy of ted cruz' delegate gains with some pretty wild accusations. >> they have taken an approach to some of the county conventions where they don't care about the party. if they don't get what they want, they blow it up. you go to the county conventions and see the gestapo tactics. >> that's a strong word.
>> we'll be filing several protests because reality is they are not playing by the rules. >> trump made a not so veiled remark. >> republican party take note. i think you'll see a whole lot more of these. i've been a republican all my life. i will they ever be a republican again. >> joining me now msnbc political analyst and former rnc chair michael steele and rick wilson. michael steele, my sense you think it's the case that there will be a genuine legitimacy problem. if he's not the nominee, that's going to be real problem.
>> it is. it's largely because of the narrative that's built up around this election so far and how right now we see donald trump, again, reshaping and reframing the narrative around the process. people don't like to talk about process. they don't want to get into the weeds. he is explaining the process in a very direct way that people go, that makes sense. that's not fair. what's the problem? there's going to set up this legitimacy question if they're not clean hand here. clean hands. if you don't have clean hands as the national party, state party in colorado made the mistake of having this go out afterwards that said, we got it done. hashtag, never trump. that feeds the narrative that this process is rigged and donald trump will take advantage of that. >> to me it's not even rigged. what i think is so fascinating, grimly compelling is it's just
the rules are what they are. no one thinks of the rules as being the most important thing. what think of the rules of creating the condition that the person will be the nominee with the most votes. now they will find out that's not the way the rules work. isn't that a problem? >> chris, look, i can't be responsible for america's lack of civics education, but the party rules are what they are. the only thing that matters and we repeated this, you've said this and everyone else has too, the only thing that matters is 1237. if you're not there, it's nothing. if you're there, it's something. it doesn't matter if he got more votes or a plurality. if he doesn't get a majority, it's not real. it doesn't matter. i know that donald trump loves to whine about the process. he loves to complain about the process. these rules are explicable. they are understandable. donald trump with this team
around him, they can't seem to manage their way through an arby's training manual much less the party rules. i'm sorry for them. i feel bad for them that donald trump lacks the intellectual bandwidth to find out what he's doing here. the fact that ted cruz is skunking him and engaging in political discourse with people at the colorado convention, which is when we select delegates to the national convention, i'm sorry if donald trump is not smart enough to figure it out. >> you're right on one level. this was not invented out of nowhere. the rules were there. they could have done better at this. they're doing a terrible job is the what is their job and the ceo running that enterprise is doing a poor job of managing that job. let's stipulate all that. it's still the case that people in the modern primary system really is not thought of as a
kind of representative election. you're not electing a member of congress who will vote on bills. you're voting for the person. we haven't had a contested convention this 40 years. you can see -- the arguments you make the people will not be happy. >> listen, the people that aren't happy about it because they don't understand it, i feel for them. this is the republican party's nominating process. it's not a democracy. this is the republican party selecting its nominee. if donald trump didn't understand the rules and he wants to whine about it like a child, then that's what he's going to do. i know there will be people who will be disgruntled. he could have followed the rules and participated appropriately but he didn't. he didn't sign up appropriately to do it. the rules are what they are. i feel bad for people that don't get involved in it. it's not something for everybody. >> mike, what do you think of
that argument? >> i agree with rick. the rules are the rules. it's clear. you need 1237. here's the problem. we saw in 2012, what the establishment will do when the rules don't go the way they want them to go. ron paul wanted a nomination from the floor. they changed the rules from requiring five states with plurality to eight states with majority. that's the part i'm talking about with clean hands. you can't go into this process and say the rules are the rules when everybody knows you can change the rules. that's the rub here. that's the opening donald trump has. it's also the problem that others have within the party with the clean hands narrative when it likes like they are trying to change the rules. that's what concerns people. >> this is a moment that happened at the albany rally. it's something we have seen quite a bit. this is a protester.
it appears to me like the gentleman in the hoodie is a protester. he's yelling boo, boo. this guy comes and smacks him in the face. how concerned are you about escalation in cleveland? >> well, look, roger stone and others have made a bunch of very vaguely veiled threats about that sort of thing. i think that's par for the course for the trump team and the trump organization. you've got corey who will beat a women. you have donald trump who encourages this from the podium. i don't get all hyped up about them making threats like this. when roger stone says we're going to find their hotel rooms and send protesters to threaten people, that's going to be the point where i hope they have lawyers and health insurance wired up before they do that. >> gestapo tactics.
a reference to mayor in '68. thank you both. >> all right. still to come, speaker paul ryan insists he has no intention of becoming the republican nominee so why is he building a national operation to counter trump's message. look at ryan's plan for cleveland. as a contested convention becomes more of a reality. is it possible democrats might need to start planning for one as well? jane sanders will join me. we'll be back in two minutes with that interview. do not go anywhere. ives me advi. ...about my toothpaste and mouthwash. but she's a dentist so...i kind of have to listen. she said "jen, go pro with crest pro-health advanced." advance to healthier gums... ...and stronger teeth from day one. using crest toothpaste and mouthwash makes my... ...whole mouth feel awesome. and my teeth are stronger too. crest-pro health advanced... ...is superior to colgate total... ...in these 5 areas dentists check. this check up? so good. go pro with crest pro-health advanced.
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bernie sanders campaign manager, jeff weaver, is saying there could be one on the democratic side as well. >> are we really talking about an open, contested convention in philadelphia? >> absolutely, absolutely. the way the math is right now it's very, very unlikely that either candidate will arrive at the convention with enough
pledged delegates to win the nomination. when we arrive in philadelphia this summer, we're going to arrive with two candidates, neither of which have enough pledge delegates to win the nomination outright. it will be an open convention on the democratic side. >> now to become the democratic nominee a candidate needs the support of 2,283 delegates. jeff weaver is suggesting that neither will win enough of the remaining pledged delegates up for grabs to get to that number. despite sanders winning wyoming, he split the pledge delegates with hillary at seven apiece. although she lost, she added to her lead among pledge delegates or at least maintained even. her campaign was quick to point out in a statement saturday night, we congratulate sanders on a spirited campaign.
here's the thing. team sanders seem to be counting on the super delegates. those are not the pledge delegates but they will need them for a contested convention. since they are not pledged, they are free to support the presidential candidate of the their choice at the convention. clinton isn't worried about a scenario where they abandoned her for sanders. she has a lead in their express preference right now 460-38. >> right now i'm leading him with about two and a half million votes in the popular vote. i'm leading him in pledge delegates with a larger margin than then senator obama ever had over me. i feel good about the upcoming con dess and i expect to be the nominee. i will hope to have a unified democratic party. >> are you preparing for the scenario where neither of you
enter the convention with the exact number of pledge delegates you need and there might be something of a floor fight or con tersed convention. are you getting ready for that? >> no. i intend to have the number of delegates required to be nominated. >> joining me now, jane sanders. wonderful to have you here in new york. >> nice to be here. >> the rules are the rules. there's super delegates and pledge delegates. i was raring from sanders supporters. they aren't anti-democratic institution. the will of the voters is one way. how could it be possible for the sanders campaign to go turn around, win fewer pledge delegates and try to get the super delegates to push them over the edge. >> we don't know we're going to win fewer pledge delegates. we don't know whether either candidate will get the required number of delegates. if they don't, it is an open convention. >> you got to make an argument
about democratic legitimacy at some level. >> we don't like the super delegate rules. it's ridiculous. 30% of the votes that somebody needs to get the nomination are individuals. one super delegates equals 1,000 people in wisconsin. that's crazy. that doesn't seem democratic to us, but those are the rules of the game. we have to figure out to deal with them. when he's president, maybe we'll go back to one vote, one person. >> that sounds totally sensible to me. clinton folks say we don't like the way the system works. we want to change it, but right now this is the way the system works. you deal with the system. >> except, bernie said no. i'm not going to say i don't like the campaign finance system, i'm going to do it differently. everybody said it couldn't be done. couldn't be done. unrealistic. he did it. he's got over six million
contributions for an average of $27 a piece. in that system, the candidate makes the rules for themselves. secretary clinton says i will take money from wall street, fossil fuel, pharmaceutical companies. >> part of the reason is or part of the logic, they'll say, this gets to something a clinton person said they're planning on focusing on bernie sanders untested. the argument isn't just about the primary. there's going to be half a billion dollars in the general. the question is, well, can you raise that much money in a general. maybe you need to start taking money from big interests because the way the state of american politics today. >> nope. i think the reason bernie is doing well is he's doing it his way. he's doing the way most people think democracy should be carried out. we will continue to do that. when you say he's untested, he's been tested many times. he's run and every single time he ran, they didn't think he could win. they didn't think he could win as mayor. he won by ten votes.
last time he won by over 70%. he ran against the richest man in vermont. in his last election, we won that by a pretty good margin. in the last election he won the democrat, independents and 25% of the republican vote. we're in great position. >> let me concede to you. he's clear lay gifted politician in many ways. >> public servant. >> he does politics. he's been discounted and undercounted many time and won races people said he couldn't win. >> that's right. >> half a billion dollars in advertising dropped on him. he has never been faced that level of sustained attack on the national stage. >> he's never not succeeded in what he set out to do. he's a legislature.
he is a politician where he's able to say how do i get from here to there. >> you're confident. this is someone who had a public access show for years. he's on the record for 30, 40 years. there's people in the clinton world, off the record who will say this and republicans who say it's on the record, which is give us bernie sanders and we'll make him look like chairman mau after he spend four months in his archives. >> no, no. i don't think so. i think they will be hard pressed because bernie has been consistent throughout his life. we can defend anything that he's done. i think that the clintons have tried to miss represent and distort his record. they haven't been successful. you know why, it's been kind of a two edge sword. he announced in may of 2015 and this media just didn't take him seriously. neither did the clintons. now they do. over that time, he was able to
present himself and define himself to the american people. >> it's true he was able to define himself. >> he got 86% of the vote in vermont. in maine and new hampshire he got more votes than anybody in history. the people who know him best, trust him the most. >> right. how do you get to know him? when that dark money starts flowing it, it gets pretty narly. great pleasure. >> nice to be here. coming up, donald trump prides himself on his predictions coming true. look at his twitter feed. there's one thing he didn't see coming. that's next. don't let dust and allergies get between you
there's the water company. we sell water. trump steaks. we have steaks. we have trump steaks. we have trump magazine. you see the wine. >> typically surreal press conference. donald trump set up a table. they were still not available to the public. there's one defunct product he recalls. he visits albany tonight. no, in 1989, trump really did start a great american bicycle race. race to rival the tour de france from albany new york to new jersey and he called it the tour de trump. >> i really look to the future with investtments and deals. i think it can be tremendous in the future.
>> why not the tour de usa. why not drop the name trump? >> you wouldn't be here doing an interview now. i would prefer if we could have done without. somehow it's been almost been beautifully. it's been so nice. >> it said die yuppie scum. turns out trump's hope to rival the tour de france didn't pan out. it lasted just two years with trump withdrawing his sponsorship after the 1990 race. it was won as the tour de pont for another six years before being shut down for good. trump says he's given more than $100 million to charity. how much was his own money? i will give you this commercial break to guess. don't google. the answer is next. it's more than a network and the cloud. it's reliable uptime.
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was covered by checks from his supporters which included purchases of hats and t-shirts. while trump has poured millions into his campaign, the vast majority of the contributions are loans rather than donations. trump can be paid back by his campaign. there's the fact that out of $12.4 million, trump's campaign sent in 2015, a whole lot went back to trump's own companies. about $2.7 million was paid to at least seven companies trump owns or to people who work for his real estate and branding empire including reimbursements for flights on his own lane and office space in trump properties. in addition to his self-funding claim, there's another figure he likes to tout. he says he's given more than $102 million to charity over the last five years. his campaign released pages to back that up. the washington post revealed not a single donation was a personal gift of trump's own money, not one.
many of the gifts he cited were just free rounds of golf. here is one portion of the trump list, most of the entities listed are not actually charities. one is a big mystery. and someone name bryan, no last name, got $800. as the post points out, trump didn't give any money to his own foundation from 2009 to 2014, the most recent years in which tax records were available. the donations weren't made with his own money. they said trump has given generously from his own pocket but declining to provide any documentation. david, great reporting. my first question is how, if you
ran this kind of audit on any random rich business person, how common would this be? >> i think you should give a couple of examples of people in the same asset class as trump. if you look at the fortune list of billionaires in the world, trump is 324th with $4.5 billion. tied with him is george lucas and the redstone. lucas's foundation gave $55 million. most was funded with his own money. redstone foundation gave away $31 million. trump only gave away $595,000. there's real contrast in the giving level. >> explain to me for people that have not read the article, how do you get from 100 million over however many years, how do you get from free rounds of golf.
is he donating services or stays they're valued at a certain amount and counting that as a contribution. >> there's a couple of different categories of gift on there. one is the free round of golf. say the golf course in los angeles gives away a free round of golf to be auctioned off. trump decides on whatever value he places on that round of golf. it doesn't have to be what it sells for and he counts that as a gift. 2900 different rounds of golf that he gave away in that way. there's also, he counted a gift of land he gave to new york state. it's real gift. it only happened in 2006. the list was supposed to be of the last five years. the biggest is conservation easement. he owns land and agrees not to develop the land in some particular way and counts that as a gift because he's giving away the development rights. in california, he has a plot of land.
he wanted to build houses. he can count that as a gift. he keeps the land and can make money off of it. it's a gift but he's not giving away the land. >> we should be clear. conservation easements that are quite controversial offer significant monetary benefits for developers. i want to say two things. as a full disclosure, there was one entity that gave $500,000 that was nbc universal. there was a big relationship between nbc and donald trump. second of all, there's reports that trump gave $100,000 to 9/11 memorial museum. we don't know how that's constituted. there's reason to be a little curious given your reporting. >> he gave it out of his foundation. the mostly full of other people's money. that's where the donation to the 9/11 museum came from. a lot of reporting said it came from him but it was the
foundation. >> glad to have you here to give us that answer. thanks for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. up next we don't often play video from the british parliament. when we do it's because something amazing has happened. we'll play it after this break. hey pal? you ready? can you pick me up at 6:30? ah... (boy) i'm here! i'm here! (cop) too late. i was gone for five minutes!
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british parliament. a new nickname was born. >> i didn't receive a proper answer then. maybe dodgey dave will answer it now. by the way, by the way. >> order. order. order. order. order. i must ask the honorable gentleman, order. don't require any assistance. i invite order. the invite the honorable gentleman to withdraw the add adjective. all he has to do is withdraw that word and think of another. sorry.
i think he knows the word beginning with d and ending in y that he inappropriately used. >> did he withdraw his remarks? was order restored to the floor and why can't they say the word dodgy? stay tuned. ♪ take on the unexpected. the new 2016 nissan altima. built to stand out. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ earlier today new nickname for prime minister cameron was born, dodgy dave. the speaker was asked to withdraw the characterization. according to the rules you aren't allowed to use unparliamentary language. other words that caused objection, coward, guttersnipe hooligan and traitor.
they will ask for the word to be withdrawn and if they refuse to take back the word. well, let's watch. >> i think he knows the word beginning with d and ending in y that he inappropriately used. >> davey. >> withdraw. >> i know. very simple. withdraw. >> this man has done more to divide this nation than anybody else. i still refer to him as dodgy dave. >> do what you like. >> order. order. order. i'm sorry. i must ask the honorable gentleman to withdraw the word. very well. very well.
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income inequality has been the center of the democrat campaign. a new study shows how much it costs and that is time on this earth. according to the research, the richest american men live a full 15 years longer than a poorer. for women that gap shrinks to ten years. in some other parts of the country adults with the lowest income die on average as much as young people in much poorer nations like rwanda and life spans are getting shorter.
those revelations come from years of research. a author of the association of income and life expectancy in the u.s. which was published today. i think we have an intuition that having more money would lead to better health outcomes but this gap is large. >> we find the gap varies greatly depending on where you have. the rich have high expectancy no matter where they live. the poorest live six years shorter lives than comparable americans living in new york than san francisco. what drives these big gaps on life expectancy across income groups and across areas? our sense is it's not literally
the effect of having more money, being able to buy more medical care. it seems to be driven by differences in health behaviors. places like san francisco and new york where the poor are living relatively long tend to have much lower rates of obesity, much lower rates of smoking and exercise. things that are correlated with higher levels of income as well. >> it's fascinating to me that new york is one of the places where these life expectanies at the bottom of the escape as longer. it think of it has taking years off one's life. you found this very counterintuitive that it's the opposite of true. >> we were surprised as well. you would think as new york as one of the most unaffordable places but they're doing much better than other parts of the country. places like new york and san francisco have public policies that improve the health of the
entire population, not just the rich but the poor. which cities are the first to offer smoking bans or the ban on sodas. these kinds of policies might be what lead to better health among new yorkers. >> that is fascinating. there's such a controversial aspect of new york city policy. the fact they are extending people's lives is fascinating. thank you. more to come. we'll be right back. for a limited time, you can get a great deal on this passat.
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okay. what is house speaker paul ryan doing? what is he up to? it's a question bedevilling political operatives. he's trying to fill a void for party that's leaderless. he's injected himself into the gop primary battle when the rhetoric has gotten ugly and bigoted. he gave a speech in first of nearly 200 capitol hill interns. two weeks later the speech was turned into a slick video thanks this part to the multiple cameras that were there. the video is posted on the website. it sure does look to all the world like something you do when you're running for something. >> what really bothers me is
most is the notion of this identity politics that we're going to win an election by dividing people rather than inspiring people on our common humanity. >> ryan denies he's angling for or interested in the gop domination. >> the republican primary voters will make this decision. it's not our decision to make. i'm not running for president. i made that decision consciously not to. i don't see that happening. i'm not thinking about it. i'm happy where i am. it's not going to be me. it should be somebody running for president. >> which sounds an awful lot about ryan denying he was running for or interested in the speakership. >> are you going to run for speaker? >> i'm not. >> why not? >> because i don't want to be speaker. >> are you reconsidering the statement you put out? >> my statement stands. i haven't changed anything. >> he's the most powerful republican in america since he
will be in his capacity of speaker the chair of the the likely contested national republican convention. joining me is joan walsh and charlie pierce writer at large for esquire. doth protest too much. >> he's a boy scout. if we wanted to shoot down a rumor, you do not -- >> well, let that float out there a bit. >> we successfully got it out there. you do not cut an ad that looks like a campaign ad talking to those fresh faced, capitol hill interns. you do not go on a grand tour. you do not meet with -- there's stories he's meeting with funders this week in the observer. he's doing this things you do not do if you're determined the shoot down this rumor. >> that's true. let me say this, charlie, he's
attending a secret donor meeting next week. they say he's very interested in preserving the majority. they released a whole memo to nbc news in response to the speculation. he's not running. he won't. it's that simple. okay, but do you buy it? >> may i refer to the honorable gentleman as dodgy paul? >> i'll allow it. >> i stopped believing paul ryan, as far as i can throw the city of jamesville. i think he's as ambitious as satan. i don't think he wants to go out in the country where he was deemed not worthy of vice president but worthy of president. i think he's running. >> do you say he was ambitious as satan? >> yes. >> that's very ambitious. i don't know if he's that ambitious. here is the thing so intriguing
about this too. conventions, in the modern era, the nomination is decided. the campaign comes in and takes over. they say monday night the theme is women and tuesday night small business. these are the speakers and blah, blah. that's not going to happen in cleveland. >> right. who's doing it? there's so much mythology around this man. the idea he's a fresh face after he ran four years ago and lost. the idea he fights the establishment when he's a donor's dream candidate. he's the anti-trump. he's the worst candidate to try to foist on this particular convention. >> he's the standard bearer for rubioism, such as it is. the thing rejected by the republican base.
charlie, the idea that this guy is going to actually be holding the gavel, which in anybody, in any convening body the chair of the body has a lot of power. you can watch people gavel close on voice votes and say i want a voice vote and the room says no. he will have significant power, won't he in. >> i would assume so. we are assuming facts not in evidence that anybody is in control of any large gathering of republicans now. i don't think anyone is. he will have the parliamentary control over the convention. whether that means anything or not is still an open question, i think? who knows. suppose ted cruz loads the conventions rules committee. what does paul ryan do? i have no idea and neither does he. >> that's where you get into this thicket.
obviously they want to knock it down because it looks terrible. being the consensus candidate. you have to be somebody that a lot of people will turn to. i don't see how it's him. >> that quote, it truck me that he said, in all these, the primary voters of the republican party will choose the nominee. that's looking more and more like that might not be the case as a factual statement. >> then there's john kasich who comes this third. the establish has had so many chances to take this. they failed.
>> thank you. that's "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts with steve in for rachel. thanks to you at home for joining us the next hour. rachel has the night off. this lovely spot is the town and county resort in san diego, california. this is where ted cruz moments from now is going to be holding a rally. the republican presidential candidate expected to take the stage in the next few minutes. this comes after a day of campaigning all around southern california. he had a rally this afternoon in a city of irvine. in one sense you might say this is pretty unremarkable. a presidential candidate is holding campaign events. he's doing it in a pretty big state. i guess that happens every day. you consider the candidate and you consider the place. we're talking about the state of california. now when you look at the delegate count in california, it's a rich prize. there's 2