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>> fdr said after the first 100, it gets easier. >> a big day for sherman. >> always to get him in there, any way. mark, sarah, ruth, thank you, all. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm mark halperin. >> i'm john helemann. with all due respect to paul ryan. >> i want to put this to rest once and for all. let me be clear. i do not want, nor will i accept the nomination for our party. count me out. let me say again. i am not going to be our party's nominee. i should not be considered, period, end of story. >> so you're saying there is a chance.
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happy just say no sports fans. lots of stuff, including my conversation with ice cube, race, other kinds of matters. first, the biggest news, someone who was not in the race. insists that he will never be. house speaker paul ryan held a surprise press conference that he might possibly, just maybe, be a potential white knight running to the rescue should it be deadlocked. ryan's resounding message today, not going to happen. >> i want to put this to rest once a once and for all. i've remained neutral. my job is to ensure there is integrity in the process. the rules are followed by the rule book. that means it is not my job to tell delegates what they should do. but i've got a message to relay
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today. we have too much work do in the house to allow this speculation to swirl, or to have my motivations questioned. so let me be clear. i do not want, nor will i accept the nomination for our party. so let me speak directly to the delegates on this. if no candidate has a majority in the first ballot, i believe that you should only choose from a person who is actually participated in the primary. count me out. i simply believe that if you want to be the nominee for our party, to be the president, you should actually run for it. i chose not to do this. therefore, i should not be considered, period, end of story. >> all right, so we're going to on covering this ryan story from a lot of different angles tonight. maybe every angle. the biggest question. mark, does this truly, really, actually close the door on sir
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paul ryan and his trusty white steed? >> not completely. team ryan was very frustrated that people like us, including us, speculated that he would be the premium white knight. you think about other possibilities, i still believe that if the convention is deadlocked, and if the three guys currently running, none of them can get a majority any which way, that ryan makes more sense. i happen to know he'll be at the convention. but this makes it a lot harder. becau because he has now said as a principle matter, i think it makes it much, much, much less likely he would be, but i don't think it ends it, because he still makes logical sense to unify the party. >> i think it comes close to closing the door. no because i have any great faith in paul ryan or that he shouldn't change in his mind. but in the end, the task of the white knight, if he is
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nominated, to somehow get the trump voters to come back and vote for him, or her, in the fall election, right. they'll be mad to begin be be, but would see him as being a total hypocrite who lied to the country and then capitulated or went around their back. i think that, he set himself up now so it makes it almost impossible to do what he would need to do as the nominee. >> it has been harder, because he is providing over teceding o convention. ryan's no can be seen as a sobering reality check for republicans who don't like the three current options. many of them have started f--
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here is the mosaic, crowdsourcing and our own conjecture, you'll recognize the faces up there. john, where does ryan's decision to shut the door leave the white knight dreamers in search of somebody to be there if the three current candidates deadlock? >> i believe the phrase is grasping at straws. you know, we have a lot offest steamed republicans and military people up on this wall. none of them, none of them are really plausible in any really kind of serious way. you need ideally somebody who had run for national office before. the people who have, george herbert walker bush, dick che y cheney, they won't be the white knights. >> it's hard. ryan, somebody like mitch daniels maybe. the problem is, again, trump
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will have minimum third ballot, i would say minimum, even if he collapses, 500 delegates. >> yeah. >> and you're going to need those 500 delegates to be that p to be happy and frankly, most people have stature in the republican party. >> they're not. >> they're not. >> not even close. >> free trade, many of them for different policy on immigration. >> foreign policy and a whole variety of things, whole temperament to politics. again, experience, though, you've got to have -- none of these guys have been vetted, except former presidents. >> the fact of ryan's decision means a lot of republicans will give up dreaming about a white knight and they're going to say kasich, cruz, trump. pick them. pick one. >> best news in the world for ted cruz and john kasich. >> yep. now no what we're calling ryan's rule, that's ryan's argument that when it comes to conventions, only candidate whose are or were in the race
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should be considered for the republican nomination. so mark, the question i have for you, again, leading back directly from our previous topics, will ryan's rule prevail now? >> i think for a lot of people it will. mathematically, if it's not trump on the first ballot, trump on the second ballot, cruz on the second ballot or cruz on the second, then you're in a deadlocked situation. i i'm amazed at how little speculation there is about a trump/cruz ticket. the man he calls lyin' ted, the easiest way to break the deadlock is to say that's the ticket. that increasingly, unless john kasich can move up and we'll talk later about an important speech he gave today, unless he can move up, the simplest thing, it will be people in play. the symbolism of what happened makes it very hard. if ryan won't do it, ryan won't
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bless it, hard for anybody else to come in. >> i think, right, i agree with everything you said. donald trump will either get to 1,237 or a mad dash to cut a deal. cruz could try to cut a deal with kasich to put him over the top. trump could try to cut a deal with either of those two guys. kasich may have enough delegates, we just heard trump about putting kasich on the ticket potentially. >> sometimes people leave like joe biden, no one did that. >> no one in this party. >> governor of wisconsin. >> scott walker. >> he left after 70 days. jeb bush, disaster, rick perry, disaster. none of them left on an upswing. it's these three guys. >> chris christie, who is an endorser of donald trump, which wouldn't work. >> finally, after all of this, paul ryan will serve as chairman
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of the republican party convention in cleveland this summer, and he still has, as he talked about today, his plans for presenting a vision as speaker of the house from now to election day, no matter who the republicans nominate. john, can paul ryan play those two roles as he said he wishes to do. >> he'll try to play those roles, but i don't think he'll effectively play them. the legislative branch will go into aabeyance. the nominee is not, once he is super specific, he'll have to tilt one way or the other, and i think it's going to -- if he was super specific, it would only provide the party and give the democratic ace big opening. >> that's what i mean. he could be it if he wanted to be a shadow party, running in opposition as nominee. maybe we might end up there, and
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that's the only way. that's effective in a certain sense. not effective in terms of the republican party. that's serving as like a loyal internal opposition within the opposition. >> he'll propose comprehensive immigration reform, entitlement reform, budget cuts. >> against the platform of the nominee. >> problem. here we go. when we come back, two roads in the woods, sorry, he could not travel both and be one travel, long he stood and gave one of the best speeches of his campaign. what john kasich said today, in manhattan, about the path less travelled in the republican primary, right after this.
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but enough about paul ryan. let's talk about some presidential candidates who actually want to be presidential candidates. today, john kasich gave one of the most important and most presidential speeches of his campaign so far. to a packed room in gotham city this morning.
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kasich painted an optimistic vision for the country and fear that he says has infiltrated american politics. he never once, though, said the words trump or cruz. >> when we come together, when we unite as a country, america always wins, for those angry or afraid, i want to assure, there is another, better way to deal with this. some who feed off of the fears and anger that is felt by some of us, and exploited, feed their own desires for fame or attention. that could drive america down into a ditch, and not make us great again. the path that exploits anger, encourages resentment, turns fear into hatred and divides people. this path solves nothing. it demeans our history. it weakense our country, and
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cheapens each one of us. it has, but one beneficiary. that is to the politician who speaks of it. the other path is one america has been down before. fear turns to hope. because we remember to take strength from one another. uncertainty turns to peace, because we reclaim our faith into the american ideals that have carried us upward before. and america's supposed decline becomes its finest hour, because we come together to say no to those who would prey on our human weakness and instead, choose leadership that serves, helping us look up, not down. >> john, did governor kasich accomplish what he set out do with that speech today? >> i'm going to let you talk about some of the stylistic and what the room was about. i thought if what he was trying
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to do was to draw a write line in the sand what he and many republicans see as kind of republicanism embodied by cruz and trump, that is not what reagan embodied for the past 20 or 30 years in american life, he did a good job of marking a clear line and putting himself on the other side. >> this is a very good speech. he spoke from the heart and he made the distinction clear. it wasn't just about electability. i will say, ironically, paul ryan, as you said earlier, paul ryan's decision is good for kasich, ironically, it overshadows him. if he made the decision yesterday, and kasich did the speech today, or vice-versa, it won't get much coverage on most shows. the other thing, if he had given the speech after the ohio primary, today was a good day to give it, but it got stepped on. other thing, does he keep it up. people loved it in the room. can he keep it up?
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can he keep the message going? it has tens of millions of people interested from the party. >> he has been hinting at such a speech. again, for the sake of many op opportunities. this one by sheer bad luck, but if he sticks with, if he sticks with, it could be an important thing for convention strategy. >> the only thing missing was talking about trump and cruz, and he'll eventually have to do it, without taking the low road as he says. donald trump, speaking of in some cases the low road, donald trump at it again last night at his rally in albany. the nomination process is competing in is rigged, unfair, corrupt, so crooked, it has to screw on its own pants. wait, another way to describe it. >> it's a fix. because we thought we were
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having an election. and a number of months ago, they decided to do it by, you know what, right? right? they said we'll do it by delegate. they said they're going to do it by delegate. oh, isn't that nice. if i go to the voters of colorado, we win colorado. so it's a crooked, crooked system. you know, we think about democracy, and we think about our country. let me tell you a little is sec, we have a democracy, but we have to keep our democracy, and we're going to do that. >> so, mark, the big division on this question, is this a really good political effective argument, or is this as ted cruz puts it, whining, and fall on deaf ears. >> if he makes it about himself, when he says the rnc is not treating me well, i'm being ripped off, it could be seen as whining. if he makes it about the voters,
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the system is complicated and it is intended to reward inside game rather than popular appeal. so i think he is absolutely right. it will rally his supporters, it sets him and paul manafort up to start challenging things in a way where he'll have a lot of pr mojo behind him. >> i think that for those who are already in the trump camp, who are inclined to believe the system is rigged, that's part of why they like him to begin with, that this will get them more angry. i don't know that it expands his voter pool. >> it doesn't need to. >> to get 60% of the delegates. >> i don't know that he is. most of the places he is polling, he is on track. >> does he want more voters, or just a static pool. >> i'm saying it definitely riles up his people. i don't know it expands his appeal.
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the pros. here is howard wolfson, the former deputy of new york city, and the former communications director for hillary clinton's campaign. the great margaret talv, senior white house reporter. howard, only because you're here, i just ask you this question. what do you make of this moment where we stand in the democratic race, having some experience with long, bitter nomination fights. >> people are tired and people are getting bitter, and tensions are beginning to manifest them self in the day-to-day back and forth. i think at the end of the day, hillary clinton will be the nominee. she will not need super delegates to become the nominee. we know in the process, it is very difficult for the person in second place to catch up, once they fall behind. we have no winner take all on the democratic side. but the campaign will likely go forward. bernie sanders is going to win more states. he is going to collect more money and i assume he'll going
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to california. hopefully, at some point, the two sides begin to ratchet down. in '08, there was a point in which we had come to some conclusion that we are unlikely to overtake barack obama, and both sides began to ratchet things down, so at that point you could come together at the convention. i assume something like that will happen. but it's clearly not happening yet. >> margaret, what are things the sanders campaign has done well? >> i mean, sanders campaign has done a couple of things well. one is continue to inspire his supporters with the notion that math aside, a come back is still possible, and he can still overtake her. if wisconsin could happen, you know, perhaps new york can happen or come close. if that could come close, perhaps california is the place where the magic happens. it is this promise of something that sort of beyond the bounds of statistical probability that has kept him alive. but secretary clinton is doing
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much better in new york, tailoring, much less of the differentiation on sanders' part. >> i'm not criticizing this, but asking you to unpack it because you're familiar with these things. what good does it do hillary clinton's campaign to go on at which time -- twitter? what is the purpose? >> i didn't see it, so i don't know exactly what you're referring to. >> just a general, i won't say juvenile, but you know, kind of caustic, sarcastic back and forth using social media. >> i would attribute that to a gener general fraying of the nerves. >> does it serve as a purpose. >> it serves as an outlet for people's frustrations. it seemed clear to me that she was tough enough to take on donald trump and that she was tough enough to handle tough and
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difficult questions. so maybe a little bit of punch ball on social media may drive that a little bit. >> one of the interesting things on the democratic side it is a mirror imagine of 2008, in which hillary clinton is barack obama and barack obama -- hillary clinton is bernie sanders, so here is my question for you, margaret. a psychological question about -- where was barack obama's head at this point in 2008, and how did his aides deal with getting him not to be excessively annoyed at hillary clinton sticking around long after the math made it impossible for her to win? >> the primary difference was that he was the under dog, even when he had -- he was clearly on a path to glide past her. she has never been the under dog in this race. there was a point at which she, well, up until the end, where she led in the popular vote and then was finally surpassed in the delegate vote.
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she is running ahead in both right now. so it's a different psychological game. but it's true in both cases. the aides and advisors had to keep reminding them to pace themselves and not to act too presumptive that could embarrass them later. >> my question to you, howard. you dealt with hillary clinton in 2008. you talked a second ago about how there came a point in which you decided as a campaign not to make things worst with the obama campaign. talk about her and how you go the to the point that she accepted that in that race. >> it's tough. because when you're winning as then senator clinton was late in the spring, early in the summer. >> as senator sanders is now. >> the temptation is to think on some level that this is possible. people are voting for me. i go to -- >> charlie sheen school of politics, winning. >> well, then senator clinton's case, she would go to these
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rallies, showing her a great deal of love and affection, and it was hard to scaquare that reaction with the delegate math, which is brutal, cold and doesn't show love or hate. it is what it is. and so at some point, though, and i give her a lot of credit, she is a lifelong democratic. she understood then in 2008 at some point, the party needed to come together, get a nominee who could win against the republicans. >> pause there, because i'm going to come back to this when we have a break now. h margaret, don't go any where, after these quick words from our sponso sponsors. allergies with nasal congestion?
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we're back, talking about the democratic nomination fight here in new york. senior white house reporter, margaret talev here in the studio, howard wilson, a senior advisor to our boss, michael bloomberg. the president and vice-president have talked about hillary
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clinton. the vice-president talked about sanders and clinton. i'm wondering how anxious you think they are to get the nomination fight settled so they can play a role in helping the nominee. >> i think they would certainly like it to be settled. i think they both largely think it is settled. you would see more angst otherwise. they've both made a commitment not to jump in at this point. this is for the party, for voters in the party to decide. but they both slipped quite a few times. president obama has to my mind been almost doing this for a year now. and vice-president biden almost did it yesterday, in this interview that was released with mike. so but i think in both cases, you're seeing a situation where they don't want to be part of a division. they want to be part of unifying the party so they're waiting for it to resolve itself before they can jump in. >> the public polling suggests hillary clinton is up in new
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york. it's safe to say she has had a good week since sanders since wisconsin, and probably better. if you're hillary clinton's camp, are you worried at all because of the big crowds, the debate, something could lead him to win the primary or is it done? >> debates can change things. it is conceivable that he has an amazing debate and she has a terrible debate. she doesn't have a history of having many terrible debates. in fact, she is a really good debater. but he is too. >> could the polls be wrong? could the big crowds spook you? >> you have to be concerned. but all of the polling i've seen and we've all seen suggests that she'll get somewhere in the mid 50s somewhere in the state. >> do you think on the basis from what you know from 2008, knitting the part was a challenge after the 2008 race, do you think it will be harder or easier task this time around? because i sense among a lot of the sanders people, at least as much intensity. >> it's funny. a month ago, i would have said
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it would have been easier, because that race in 2008 was pretty difficult. it now feels it may be just as complicated and it will take some work on behalf of everybody to knit the thing back together. >> is that exacerbated at all by her surrogating being pretty aggressive with bernie sanders and questioning his bona fide issues? >> you have to continue to draw contrasts. that will go on until june and it's only april. you can't take your foot off the gas just yet. but at some point, i think you're going to have to ease off the gas a little and recognize that, look, sander also win some states. he is not going to win by enough of a margin to be the nominee. the important thing is to have a unified party going into the fall. >> yeah, it seems to me one of the great complexities for hillary clinton is she'll be dealing with someone on the other side who is not what hillary clinton was to barack obama, which is to say a loyal democratic. >> that's right. >> a big challenge for her.
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>> margaret, do you look at bernie sanders and sort of get a read on where he stands, do you think he thinks he still can be the nominee, or is this now about accumulating delegates and influence for philadelphia. >> it's about influencing the con ve conventio conventions, you have to believe there is a way you can do it. there are a number of outstanding issues, outstanding state, and of course, the fbi investigation that continues to hangover hillary clinton and her aides. bernie sanders and his aides are smart people. they can understand the math as well as anyone, sitting here talking about it. he is trying to do both. and you see him still competing very aggressively and talking very aggressively now. certainly, this could change by california, depending on what happens in new york, what happens in the midatlantic corridor, what happens as we move west. >> do you get the sense that the president would relish donald trump being the -- because he likes to talk about him and because he thinks it would be
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easy to beat him. >> unless it isn't. yeah, sure, the entire democratic establishment would relish it, unless they were wrong and unless he put her in a corner and won. then they would blame themselves for not doing more to stop it. it's a risk. the democratic understands that. >> if you're running hillary clinton's campaign, who do you want to run against, donald trump or ted cruz? >> donald trump. >> you do? because? >> because given his negatives, he is not electable, and he will put states in play that would otherwise not be. >> the fact that he is unpredictable as he is -- cruz seems to be predictable. >> there might be some more difficult days, emotionally because of donald trump's presence in the race, but i cannot imagine circumstances under which somebody with his numbers currently and his style of campaigning -- >> best case for hillary clinton against donald trump, how many states could she win. >> i think best case, obama '08
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map is the floor not the ceiling. >> how many states? >> i think in addition to the states obama won in '08, you put arizona in play, you put utah in play, you put maybe georgia in play. and i think -- >> fewer than five additional states, not mcgovern. >> no, we don't live in that country any more. the states that were maybe 51, 52 obama, become 55, become safe and you can extend the map out. you have enormous opportunity to take the senate back. >> margaret, howard, thank you both. up next, what george w. bush told our next guest about father hood. if you're watching us, you can listen to us on the radio at 99.1 fm. we'll be right back. ruining your perfect record. yeah. now you would think your insurance company would cut you some slack, right?
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behind the title of the book. tell it. >> in 2005, i was leaving the white house, bush's -- 2003 to cover his reelection campaign, as you know, a long history, the president brings in the family and thanks the family for all their sacrifices. it has been going on for many decades. bush was doing it for me, and i was walking with my wife, and three kids, including tyler, this was before he was diagnosed. tyler comes in and all he could talk about was barney the dog. he is going on and on. machine gun delivery. he starts talking about roosevelt's dog and telling the president about roosevelt's dog, which is typical for these kids. i'm very anxious. i'm worried i'm taking too much of the president's time. my son is maybe embarrassing himself, maybe even me. i think bush could sense it, you know how well he reads a room. and as they were leaving, the
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office, the president grabs me and looks me in the eyes and says i love that boy. and at the time, i kind of took it to be, that's kind of a nice thing to say, and he is right, despite the fact that he is quirqui quir quirky, and a little different. through the book, i realized, i've got to love this boy, because of what makes him different. what makes him different, what makes him special. >> what did you learn from watching your son interact with president clinton, who you've known for a long time? >> yeah, that was interesting, because it was in the penthouse swe suite of his library. we were looking over little rock. we were doing the old hometown sites and reminiscing on our careers. they were talking about teddy roosevelt, and it is tyler's favorite president. when clinton talks about roosevelt, his presidency and
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roosevelt's presidency, i notice tyler is kind of clinton's lost tyler. i'm thinking to myself, first of all, bill clinton has been obsessed for 45 minutes on one topic, which is like my son, and he is not picking up on the social clues, and i wrote down in my notebook, is bill clinton an asby. i know he is not. he is probably one of the greatest communicators, and he could feel a nation's pain, if he has got some social rough edges, why am i so worried about my son's? >> it's interesting, you're interacting with guys you covered and have had a professional relationship with, you took away oh some insights about your son from your interactions with presidents. just as you reflect back on it, what do you feel, what was revealed to you about tyler that you didn't know before those interaction as soon as. >> one, that he is probably the
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guttiest person i'll ever meet. it's hard to sit down with the president. for tyler, it's hard for him to sit down and talk to anybody. it's not just uncomfortable for him, it's unnatural. like with clinton, we were watching a in us conference, just before the meeting. tyler turned to me and said you do this, dad, i don't want to do it. i said but your mom wants you to do this and give it a shot he walked in and did it. i learned how gutty he is. not to sweat the rough edges. and i learned to love him because of it, not despite them. >> to set this up a little more, and i met in little rock, covering bill clinton and then came to washington when he came to washington to cover the white house, as you said, covered the bush white house. in all that time, you put a lot of time into your career, covering the white house is a lot of work. talk about the importance of, in the process of thinking about the book and writing the book and thinking about transitioning
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maybe a little bit from that hard focus on a demanding job to dealing not just with your son, but with your whole family. >> it came to a head the day he was diagnosed. we walked out of the doctor's office and my wife, as we're a standing in the parking lot, tearing up, asberger's syndrome, i knew nothing about. you need to spend serious time with him. you've got to bond with him. you're taking him to presidential sites. that was his obsession, which is an autism type word. she said literally the presidency is what took you away from the family. you're going use it now to help him. so off we went on these guilt trips. >> we can talk to you for a lot longer, the book desearchrves a longer session. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> we have ice cube up next. talking about bernie sanders, donald trump, black lives
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this year's in duckties to the rock and roll hall of fame is nwa, last friday on the day of the ip inductions, i met up with ice cube. it was a good day. we talked about his music, ba r barbersh barbershop, and the celebrated film, straight out of compton, and we talked politics, starting the ways in which nwa was the start, a defiant political act. >> we said you're about to witness the strength of street knowledge, meaning you are about to witness, you know, a knowledge coming off the streets, are out the streets that you may not have ever witnessed before. we just wanted to be real. we just wanted to be honest. street knowledge is a term to me, it means letting the streets
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know what the government, politics, police, whatever, authority figures are, are doing up to exposing them and also, letting if the politicians are listening, letting them know what the streets think and how things are going, and hopefully, there is some understanding that could be made in all this. >> you became like a flash point in a lot of ways. >> yes. >> what was that like to experience that and when you look back on it, it seemed totally crazy, that you were at the scenter of much controversy >> yeah, we didn't care, to get all this recognition, it was great. but also, we had to realize and grow up real fast, because we felt the powers that be were kind of con vverging on us at t
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time. it became a freedom of speech issue, you know, pm rc, you know, live by tipper gore, and you know, you had see dolores tucker, people coming out of the woodwork saying music was the cause of all evil. >> so the movie comes out last year, straight out of compton, and it comes out at this moment when you've got ferguson, baltimore, staten island, all these incidents of police brutality, and it was like a lot of the stuff that you were talking about in 1988, 1989. >> in a lot of ways, it's a a shame that the same thing we were going through is the same thing is still happening. not too much has changed with the behavior of the authorities on, you know, just realizing
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that, you know, it's not cool to prey on your own citizens. it's just never cool. >> but you know, one of the things going on in the summer, like i said, last summer, when straight out of compton, the black lives matter movement. >> one race in the culture is being treated, you know, pretty unfairly. it's probably more than one. it's probably a few that are being treated pretty unfairly by the system. so that has to be addressed. and i think the fact that you even have to say black lives matter lets you know how bad the problem is. people who don't understand the black lives matter movement need to understand that when you feel the government is against you, who will be with you? >> bill clinton was giving a speech and a bunch of protesters came and tried to shut him down. they were upset, hillary clinton to running for president now, talked about gang members as
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super predators, used that kind of rhetoric to justify the notion of a lot of the tough crime policies that her husband and the congress and all those people passed. super predator, that's the kind of stuff people used to say about the guys in nwa and the guys you represented. >> without a doubt. >> it seems crazy that we're having this conversation in 2016. >> to call your own citizens super predator is pretty harsh, like the term thug or hoodlum. it is an easy brush to paint somebody with, and it's really not solving the problem. it's making it worst. because now you have, you know, the people or the authorities feel like, okay, now they're justified at how they treat these so-called super predators. what is that, who is that. specifically, who are you
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talking about? because you know, the thing back in the '80s, darrell gaits and l lapd, they did a war on gangs. but if i'm a black gang not in a gang, but i look like a gang member to this white officer, then it's a war on me. so that's the problem with the term like super predator. for some reason, the democrats feel like they're exempt from these protests. we're democrats. why are you talking to us like this. talk to the republicans. no, no, everybody is a little guilty of turning their back or, you know, passing bad legislation, and everybody should be called out on it. >> that makes sense to you that that conversation still happened, the black lives matter wants to prosecute that case that seems like -- >> totally legitimate. of course, she mightable the president of the united states, you know, and if she becomes the
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president of the united states, we need to know what she is thinking, how does she think, how will she handle it, how she going to fix it. she helped create it in a way. how are you going to fix this. >> do you have a point of view about donald trump? >> well, you know, donald trump is what americans love. donald trump is what americans aspire to be. rich, powerful. do what you want to do. say what you want to say. be how you want to be. that's kind of been like the american dream. so he looks like a boss to everybody. americans love to have a boss. that's appeal to me, you know. do i think he is going to do anything to help poor people or people that struggling, no. because you know, he is a rich white guy. how can he relate? he has always been rich. and you know, being rich don't make you bad. i ain't saying that.
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i'm just saying how can he relate? how can he relate to the small guy? >> for a lot of people, when trump, even before he ran for president four years ago, when he was like one of the leaders of the birther movement, loudly going around saying president obama was not a legitimate president and born in kenya, for a lot of people, they feel like he is a racist. do you feel that way. >> i'm still mad he took down the usfl. i think that was a cool league, especially for the summer. but any way, no, man, you know. it's like he sounded crazy to me then, you know. could i see raising the question, but once you get the answer man, move on. to still harp on it and to lie that you're sending investigators and all this stuff to me was just a guy who couldn't say that he was wrong. >> right. and what do you think about, do you have any thoughts about
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bernie sanders? are you feeling the bern at all? calling for a political revolution. >> to me, he has been in there 30 years, what have you done? what have you done? you've been there, up in there, so what are you going to do different from outside congress. now you're, you know, what's going to happen different? where you been? you know, so all of them, to me, got work to do to get my vote. our thanks to ice cube. we'll keep you updated on the cube primary. we'll be right back. nothing unleashes power... quite like the human foot. introducing the 241 horsepower lexus is 200 turbo. with almost twenty percent more base horsepower. once driven, there's no going back. ♪ ♪
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fans in the republican establishment are taking the news today that ryan -- until tomorrow, same time, same channel. thanks for watching. "hardball" with chris matthews is next. a new york state of mind. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in new york. let me start with the democratic battle in new york between hillary clinton and bernie sanders, the one we're billing the battle for broadway. clinton is looking at a big win in her adopted state here, which she represented for eight years as a u.s. senator, a skunking of bernie would make her path to the convention. the politics, upset in new york, would rise giant doubts, enough to keep the brawl alive until philly. sanders said that he will win

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