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park as we count down to the new york primary just four days to go. senator bernie sanders is not campaigning in the empire state today. he is instead spending the day at the vatican there to address the pontifical sciences. it leaves people to question why sanders would leave the campaign trail at such a crucial time. >> why i'm here at the vatican, yes, i know it takes me away from the campaign trail for a day. when i received this invitation, it was so moving to me that it was something i just simply couldn't refuse to attend. >> meantime, over on the right, donald trump scheduled to hold a rally in plattsburgh, new york in the next hour, ripping the democratic process yet again today. in a new op-ed he writes, i, for one, mnt interested in defending a system that for decades has served the interest of political
parties at the expense of the people. responding earlier on today, re reince priebus. >> i think it's a little late after the process to state something you don't like. now, the system can be changed, but it has to be changed at the convention if people want to change it with the delegates. >> we have full coverage the race. our reporters covering 2016 from new york all the way out to the vatican and that is where we'll begin. nbc's anne thompson is live at the vatican where bernie sanders addressed a conference on social, economic and environmental issues, and ann, as i understand it, some of what he had to say would sound fairly familiar to those in the u.s., especially those who would have attended one of his campaign events. >> absolutely, erica. if you have heard bernie sanders' stump speech, then you have heard what i told the pontifical school of social
sciences today. it was a speech that very closely mirrored what he said in the united states. a short version, it was only about 10 minutes or so, but he focused on, first of all, climate change. no surprise here because pope francis in the past year has issued a cyclical on-climate change. bernie sanders said again that the world needs to move away from an economy built on fossil fuels, that fossil fuels need to stay in the ground and that we need to do a better job of protecting our planet. he also went off about the issue of income inequality, pointing out that 1% of the world owns more than 99% of the world. that is a big issue to pope francis as well. he has spoken about the throwaway culture and globalization of indifference that has come about in recent years. what was different about bernie sanders' speech today was how often it referenced not just pope francis but other leaders of the catholic church as well.
here's what senator sanders had to say. >> as both pope john paul ii and pope francis have warned us and the world, the consequences have been even more dire than the disastrous effects of financial bubbles and falling living standards of working class families. our very soul, our very soul as a nation has suffered as the public has lost faith in political and social institutions. >> reporter: now, senator sanders said he was very moved and very honored at the invitation to come speak at the vatican. that is why he came. the big question is, does this get him anything politically? does it help with catholic voters? does it help with hispanic voters? and what happens if he never meets pope francis? there will be, there has been, there has not been, and there
will be no private audience, no official meeting. the big question tonight, erica, is will senator sanders run into pope francis at casa santa marta. it's where pope francis lives and it's where bernie sanders is spending the night. >> i'm sure many are hoping the run-in will happen, but you bring up an interesting fact. we're seeing a 17-point gap, hillary clinton at 57%, bernie sanders 40% among likely voters. how much talk is there from the campaign there on the ground about a potential gain, as you pointed out, perhaps with catholic voters? >> reporter: well, the campaign is not thinking about specific groups of voters. it's more an overall image they are hoping this visit projects. what they are hoping is when voters read their papers this saturday, particularly voters in
new york, they see bernie sanders talking about income inequality at the vatican and hillary clinton raising money with george clooney out in california at an event that costs up to $100,000 per couple. they think that contrast works in their favor, and that's why they are spinning that this trip was worth it. erica? >> and it will be interesting to see, anne, what those front pages look like tomorrow morning. you paint a great picture of what we could see. anne thompson live for us at the vatican. nbc's alex seitz-wald is covering the democratic presidential campaign. the other candidate in this race, hillary clinton. her first stop was at harlem senior center here in new york. that's before she heads out west for those fundraisers that anne mentioned. why did she choose to make this stop today at the senior center? what's the significance there? >> reporter: it was just the
other day that it was pointed out that neither hillary clinton or bernie sanders had visited a public housing facility. today hillary clinton went to visit a senior apartment with the city council, coincidence or not, and she spoke about what she wants to do about affordable housing, especially for the latino community. this is a group she's targeting in new york. housing is so expensive for many people. take a look at what she said. >> i'm making investing in affordable housing a major priority of what i call my breaking every barrier agenda. so we're going to create more incentives from the federal government for affordable housing. we're going to boost funding for what are called section 8 vouchers, we're going to give people more choices as to where they live, and we're going to do more to help, particularly young people, afford to buy a home. i want to provide $10,000 to
match the money for a down payment so your children, your grandchildren, all of our young people, can get a home if they want that. >> reporter: so, erica, these are the kind of bread and butter issues that hillary clinton is talking about to differentiate herself from bernie sanders who tends to speak in more abstractions, bigger picture issues. she did have fun there. she played a game of dominoes and actually won that game. no word on whether she was given a little bit of assistance there, but she seemed to enjoy herself. erica? >> we'll leave that one up for debate. she has a new ad running. i want to take a quick look
before i ask on the back side. >> on tuesday, we've got a big decision to make, and the new york daily news and the "new york times" already made theirs. both endorse hillary clinton for president. clinton is supremely knowledgeable and results-driven. she promises to be a true democratic champion. >> so that ad, of course, targeting voters in new york. alex, at the end of the day, i feel like we ask this a lot, but
it's an important question. what do these endorsements actually mean to voters? how much influence do they have? >> the new
york daily news is the third candidate in the new york democratic primary. typically they don't mean a lot and there's political science to back that up. in this primary, when you have the entire front page of the tabloid that everybody sees, very aggressive, it's played a major role. bernie sanders had the interview with the new york daily news in which he seemed to struggle answering some key policy questions. hillary clinton has made a big issue of that, talked about it at every stop last night in the debate, and then they ended up endorsing hillary clinton. now she's using it into the next step, taking it to the tv ads and also citing the "new york times." it fits into the larger issue that she is, as she would say, someone who can actually govern, is prepared and qualified. sanders diagnosing the problem, not exactly addressing it. >> alex seitz-wald, always
appreciate your insight and the political news that backs up that endorsement. joining us is a surrogate for the bernie sanders campaign. good to have you with us. one of the first things i want to touch on, we saw this debate last night. it was intense, it was fiery, it was rockets. we heard all these different adjectives, but really the gloves seemed to come off on both sides. a lot of people calling it a draw. one thing bernie sanders said, at one point he brought up this superpredator term, and he said very clearly this was racist, and it was racist to use that term. do you agree with that language? do you agree with his assessment? >> i do, very much so, and even though social scientists at the time used that language to identify african-americans and the first lady at the time used that, it is very much a racist term, and we still are plagued with racism in the united states of america. this is not just about secretary
of state clinton, but it really is about how african-americans are viewed as the other steal. when you put that qualifier as a predator is bad enough. you put superpredator and it intimates that it only is in terms of african-americans. >> how do you change that conversation? we ask this a lot but it's an important question, because we haven't figured it out. >> a natis a nation, we just ha admit it, and then we collectively have to work toward eradicating it. senator bernie sanders, when he was in cleveland, he said as the next president of the united states of america, i will work very hard to eradicate institutional racism. the first thing is to admit it, have the conversation about it, and then collectively, without one group feeling threatened, say we need to do something about it and let's do it. >> easy to say, right? i do have to ask you about some other things that happened. senator sanders also taking some heat today for what's being seen
as him dismissing, once again, the south. this is a huge part of the country, and he said, we lost the deep south because it's very conservative. the south, as we know, is not made up of solely conservative voters. it is a very diverse area of the country. i lived in atlanta for five years, i can attest to that. why does bernie sanders keep making this misstep? >> my grandparents came from the south as 90% of african-american folks have come from the south. i think it was just his way to kind of deal with the fact, look, it was hard. the secretary dominated in the south, but he's moving to areas of the country. i don't just think it's necessarily geography as it is people were having more time the later on they get to vote to really get to know who senator sanders really, really is. i don't think he's dismissing any part of the country. but let's face it, he is running against secretary clinton who has had the benefit of a national profile for decades. senator bernie sanders has only been on the scene for 11 months. he has made incredible ground, erica.
people wrote him off when he first made the announcement. i think he was at 3%. now in some polls, he's polling neck and neck with the secretary and i think it's fair to say he beats every single republican in the general. >> it's one thing to say he missed an opportunity about the way things went down in the south, because we did all see how it happened. but could he be doing more to connect with voters in the south? >> i think that he is, and i'm hoping that in hearing more of himself -- he doesn't like to talk about himself a whole lot, but he was in my city again at olivette institutional baptist church, a majority of an african-american audience, and when he started telling his story about his father being an immigrant and coming here at the age of 17 with nothing, how his family were attacked, jewish folks were attacked then, and he grew up in a working class family. he put his body on the line as a young 21-year-old hiding against segregation at the university of colorado member corps. senator sanders doesn't talk about himself a lot, but if he
had started telling his story along the way, things would be different, but he is gaining ground in the african-american community. >> the tone has definitely changed, especially on the democratic side. there is some vitriol, there is some really tough language coming out. at some point in late july, the party is going to have to rally around one of two candidates. we're seeing a lot of polling that's telling us supporters of both candidates are not very excited about that and they may not do that. how concerned are you that your party may not be able to unite behind a candidate? >> i am a bit, but i'm hoping things will change. especially with senator sanders supporters, a great number of supporters are not necessarily connected to a party, and i think that's different from 2008 when we had the same thing. senator clinton's folks -- >> do you think we can bring them over? just 30% of them say we would not get behind hillary clinton.
>> because a lot of them aren't connected to the democratic party, they're connected to senator bernie sanders. i'm not so sure. i know a lot of folks are hoping that will happen, but i'm not sure they will. i know in the heat of tension, people say a lot of things, but the party itself will have to do a lot to really win over those voters who are not connected to a party. >> i know you want your candidate to be the nominee, he wants to be the nominee. the reality is he may not be. >> and she may not be. >> so i would ask the samesurro. but how much will bernie sanders work to get his supporters, if, in fact, it is hillary clinton who is the nominee, how hard will he work to bring them over to support her? how hard would you work to do that? >> he has said he's willing to do that, and i think she's said the same thing for him. we'll see, but right now, my sole focus is to make sure he is the nominee and the next president of the united states of america. >> nina turner, good to have you with us. as promised, we have castro on the show, so i will ask him the
same thing. we want to turn now to the republican race and donald trump's delicate war. it is back today thanks to a new wall street journal op-ed. the frontrunner taking aim at ted cruz and republican leaders. he wrote, mr. cruz has toured the country bragging about his voterless victory in colorado. for a man who styles himself as a warrior against the establishment, you would think he would be vying for a vote in colorado, instead he is celebrating their disenfr disenfranchisement. >> it is not surprising that when a candidate loses 11 times in a row, he's not happy about it. that's fine. we're focused on winning the election of the people. 65,000 people voted in the state of colorado. donald trump is unhappy with how they voted. he's entitled to be unhappy.
we're focused on winning votes from the people, and that's why we're winning in state after state after state, and that's why i believe we'll win the majority of the nomination and beat hillary clinton. >> this, of course, comes on the heels of an rnc memo release this morning which pushes back on any criticism of the delegate selection process. that memo saying in part, the rules surrounding the delegate selection have been clearly laid out in every state and territory and while each state is different, each process is easy to understand for those willing to learn it. it ultimately falls on the campaigns to be up to speed on these delegate rules. nbc's kristen dahlgren is in plattsburgh, new york. donald trump is said to hold a rally there in the next hour. what about some of his supporters out there? are they talking about this delegate issue? >> hey, there, erica. i think it is resonating with voters across the country, which is what we're seeing here in plattsburgh. donald trump has been running on
this anti-establishment campaign, and that really is what people here are latching onto today, complaining about the system, and especially about the people running the system. so this latest argument about the delegate system and about what happened in colorado really is resonating, at least with the people that we talked to here today who have been standing here now for over an hour waiting for donald trump to take the stage. >> kristen, one of the things that we've heard about at some of these rallies, the city of plattsburgh is about 20,000 people. the trump campaign says it's expecting 5,000 people to attend this rally. local news supports have said security is pretty tight. what have you seen today as you made your way in there? how did security appear? >> so 5,000 is a projection by the trump campaign. you can see behind me the room filling up, but with about 45 minutes to go now, it doesn't look like this entire arena is going to be filled, and the
capacity here about 4,000. i'm no perfectionist at predicting what a crowd size is, but i'd say around 2,000 or so at this point, so certainly less than the projections. but security is very tight. we saw the secret service. anyone coming into this arena has to go through airport style screening, so getting wanded, having their bags searched. security definitely high so far. we haven't seen any protesters, but as one trump supporter pointed out, we're just across the lake from burlington, vermont, bernie sanders territory, so they said they wouldn't be surprised if they did see some bernie sanders supporters and protesters here in the crowd. >> all right. sounds good. we know you'll keep us posted if in fact they show up. kristen dahlgren, good to see you. >> thank you. the trump campaign did the media rounds today defending their campaign's rhetoric about the delegate fight. here is ben carson who spoke with my colleague andrea
mitchell. >> it's really about the american people and whether or not they're being disenfranchised by a bunch of people who sit around creating arbitrary rules. during the jim crow era, those were the rules, too. didn't make them right, and i'm not saying this is the same, but i think you get the point. just because rules are there, just because they're written by somebody doesn't mean that they're right. >> for more now we're joined by politico's ken volo. donald trump is leaving the rnc behind to go after ted cruz. certainly the disenfranchisement, he says, is working. is it effective, and if so, how? >> i think they're both effective. it shows the significant weakness of his excampaign, his disorganization of fighting this battle state-by-state and making
it a strength. look, it's the powers that be again trying to deprive me, and you, my supporters, of what we have earned. it also underlines a key rationale for ted cruz's campaign. ted cruz has long casted himself as the outsider, the outside candidate, and cruz is now dependent on the outsiders to give him the nomination. he is, quote, mathematically eliminated through the democratic process in open primaries, or just widely voted upon primaries. >> politicos saying that political writers are actually thinking about rewriting the campaign rules. would that hurt or help donald trump? >> there is a proposal that will be considered next week in an rnc meeting that would empower these delegates to have a lot more say in how the democratic process plays out.
our renouncement says it would help them tap on a candidate whose name was entered under contention, so a paul ryan or mitt romney, a shot at donald trump, another effort to deprive him of the nomination. >> we'll be watching to see what happens, if anything comes out of that next week. always good to see you. >> thank you, erica. coming up here at 4:00 p.m. eastern, you won't want to miss it. it's a special look at the presidential race with four of our nbc journalists who have been covering it on the ground since the beginning. a special round table. you'll see it only here on msnbc, the place for politics. and intellectual property being stolen. that is cyber-crime. and it affects each and every one of us. microsoft created the
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welcome back to msnbc as we continue to follow this breaking news out of japan where a magnitude 7.0 earthquake hit southern japan, just 24 hours after another powerful 6.5-magnitude quake struck the same area, killing nine people. kelly is monitoring this out of london. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: good afternoon, erica. we're still trying to gather information from the southern region of japan, but here's what we know so far. as you mentioned, a very strong earthquake hitting southern japan just about two hours ago now followed by at least three very strong aftershocks. the epicenter of the second quake about eight miles from last night's quake in that same region. that earthquake is 6.4, doing significant damage, bringing down a lot of buildings, massive cracks in the road, injuring
some 800 people, thousands of people sleeping outdoors because some buildings were simply unsafe. the second earthquake tonight, a 7.0 earthquake. we're hearing reports of people trapped in their homes, trapped in their buildings and calling emergency services to be rescued. we don't have an idea yet of how many people might be trapped, erica. very late at night there now, about 3:30 in the morning. so really, the priority of rescuers, finding out how many people are trapped, getting to those people, of course, in the middle of the night. then we'll see the damage once the sun is up here in a couple of hours. but expecting significant damage once again from a second earthquake in this area, the people there already really traumatized by a number of
tremors and aftershocks after that first earthquake yesterday, erica. one more note before i throw it back to you, a tsunami warning was issued before the second earthquake. it has been canceled. so, again, the priority really getting to people who are trapped. >> yeah. as you point out, getting to them, of course, in a timely fashion, and when it is nighttime makes it all that much more difficult. kelly, thank you for continuing to monitor it for us. meantime, back here in the united states, we're going to take a quick break. as we make our way to that break, some live pictures of bill clinton on the campaign trail for his wife here in new york. stay with us. we'll be right back. n century. born with a hunger to fly and a passion to build something better. and what an amazing time it's been, decade after decade of innovation, inspiration and wonder. so, we say thank you america for a century of trust, for the privilege of flying higher and higher, together.
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>> ted cruz there attacking donald trump last hour during a media availability for reporters. cruz and party leaders have been counteracting the claims from donald trump that the delegate selection process is rigged, in donald trump's words, that they're democratic. they're not the only one questioning to trump. we're now hearing from a group of people who wants to battle for his approval. he joins us now from our studios in new york city. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. i would rather be in brooklyn. it looks great and sunny. >> it's a great place to be. >> jealous. >> give us a sense. why are you coming out now months after donald trump launched his campaign? >> not true at all. i have been out in front speaking against mr. trump for well over nine months. there is footage of me on youtube, cnn, msnbc, et cetera,
speaking out against his candidacy. i don't think he's fit to be president for a number of reasons. one, he doesn't know the issues. two, he doesn't have the right temperament. three, there is an undercurrent of racist, xenophobic, sexist, masogenistic rhetoric. given that umbrella, i've been an advocate of speaking out against him for a while. today is a collective voice as a member of apprentice alumni speaking as one voice, but we've all been doing this individually for quite some time. >> i apologize, i should have phrased that more accurately as it was all of you coming together as a group. what brought you together as a group today? what is different now of the donald trump we're seeing on the campaign trail as opposed to the donald trump you worked with on "the apprentice"? >> i think there's been a growth of this cancer in america, the momentum has caught us all by
surprise. we wanted to come out in unity right before the new york primary which has a huge delegate hall for mr. trump. it's not about who you want to vote for, endorsing one candidate over inner, it's that we don't think with his temperame temperament, his leadership, his vision for america that he's the right leader to vote for. that's why we've come together collectively, hopefully to stop that momentum and get people to hear a different voice, people who work with him, people who have seen him in a different setting collectively. >> some say you just want to get back in the limelight. how do you react to that? >> i think that's school bully 101. the bully taps you on the shoulder, he wants to challenge you to a fight. the best way to fight back is to punch the bully in the nose. i'm speaking skpout aout and ac those words and giving people a viewpoint of how to look at trump as a candidate.
i'm not discounting the business success to some degree that mr. trump has had. what i'm saying is as president of the united states, he's not fit to be our leader of the free world. >> what is it about the group of the six of you, do you think -- why should people listen to you, i guess is what i'm saying. we talk about endorsements and whether they matter. this is sort of the other side of things. what do you think the six of you bring to the table that then says, we know this man for sure, trust us? >> i think we've all had the chance on multiple seasons. i was over a dozen years ago on season 1 in 2004, randall pinkett was in 2005. he was the only african-american winner. it's no surprise it's because afternoons a road scholar, a phd. talk about being overqualified. i think that's a whole other discussion. we all came together now as a collective voice, to make sure america sees this other piece of people who have worked for him
over a yehim. over a year for randall pinkett, for me and folks like tara, we've seen him in a professional environment off camera and on camera, and we have all kinds of observations. one of the observations shared across the seasons was that we never saw a person of color in any executive management role across any particular trump enterpri enterprise. so if you looked at golf courses, if you looked atika seen o -- at casinos, we never saw african-americans in any employment role. great opportunities come out of diverse environments, but i'm talking about diverse viewpoints as well. most of the people we saw around mr. trump were yes men, yes women, they didn't challenge him, they didn't push him. he doesn't have a team of rivals, and when you don't have diverse viewpoints, you don't have people different from you in the context of your everyday
circle, how, then, can you truss that up into becoming president of the united states? i think that's a naive and myopic way to look at the future of america. >> thank you for joining us with your perspective today. thank you. >> thank you for having me. so to come here on msnbc, a crowd of republicans almost ignoring ted cruz last night. he makes his way upstate where he will make his case to voters in a different area of new york. will his comments about new york values continue to follow him there? we'll take you live to rochester next. first, though, as we talk about ted cruz, you may have caught him last night on the tonight show making a little appearance. a little quick phone call with the not so real donald trump. even if you saw it, it's worth seeing again. >> are you watching the democratic debate? >> nope. i'm watching "the princess bride" for the 148th time. >> inconceivable.
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♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ a major focus on upstate new york which in many ways has become a political crossroads for next week's primary here in new york state. 70% of republicans live in upstate new york. it's home to many active democrats, though, as well. they're supposed to go to the polls on tuesday, and if they don't go to the polls, it doesn't really count, does it? senator ted cruz is just the latest candidate to make his way upstate. he'll hold a rally at monroe community college today to underscore the importance of this region at technical training schools. according to the department of
labor, 40% of manufacturing jobs have been on the decline. >> unfortunately, new york democratic politicians have prohibited developing resources that new york is blessed to have. sadly, governor cuomo is too beholden to the radical democratic left to be willing to allow new yorkers to get jobs. >> so there is a big focus on jobs, where they will come from, whether students and blue collar workers will have to leave that upstate area just to make ends meet. joining us now for the automotive department of monroe, tony dekolpel. tony, good to see you again. >> ted cruz will be here in a couple hours. bernie sanders and hillary clinton were also here in the last couple days. they're talking about jobs, a
40% decrease of manufacturing jobs, but there is also a gl glimmer of hope. people always having car trouble, they can't fill these jobs fast enough. these guys are working on searing and suspension. they'll have jobs when they graduate. christie is the program direct for for the automotive program here, and you were telling me earlier that you literally have more jobs than you can find students to fill them with. what explains that? >> what explains it is these are skilled careers. they need the hands-on work experience. all the gentlemen and ladies in this classroom are working for general motors dealers, so they're already employed and they're going to walk across the stage at graduation for a part-time worker in addition to being full-time because they have skills, training, education and knowledge. >> these guys are working on a
che che chevy cruise. tell me why you think ted cruz has an economic plan that will work the next four years? >> i think he's got a long way to go to, i guess, really express what he's going to do for the economy, still. i haven't seen a lot of firm plans coming from cruz yet, but i believe he's got a better idea of what it means to be on the front lines of the work force. >> speaking of the front lines, before i let you go, i really want to talk about this minimum wage issue. ted cruz this morning on cnbc says he does not support an elevation of the federal minimum wage to 15 there are and he doesn't support new york state's minimum. you're going to come out of here making about the same amount. how do you feel about it? >> i think that's an emotionally charged debate. i worked in the food industry and i know how frustrating it can be. coming from the other side where
i'm investing in tools and education to be making the same amount of wage for someone coming out of high school will be making is very frustrating for me. i feel minimum wage is intended and has always been intended for people in high school, early college. i believe it's a great way to supplement income. i've never believed it's to provide income for the entire family, so i'm against it myself. >> another issue that's been key around here is donald trump railing against job loss. he gave a big rally. thousands of people showed up in this area, and he said 4,000 jobs have left in just the last six months alone. not true. in fact, 1500 jobs have been added. these students are going to fill the next 1500. back to you. >> tony following us from rochester. thanks. on tuesday this week, lawrence o'donnell visited public education because the
candidates have been turning down visiting one before the primaries. >> how would you feel if the presidential candidates passed through this new york campaign and ignored your invitation to come and visit the housing project. >> i think that i will start looking at the individual that was asked to come in a different way, in a different prospect, because they want my vote, right? well, i have seven votes in my house alone. >> reporter: today fresh off the debate, hillary clinton visited harlem to tell her plan for federal housing. a hillary clinton supporter is also secretary of housing and urban development. we know you are here today in your capacity as a hillary clinton supporter, but i have to ask you, all of the presidential candidates were invited to the hidden city. no one shows up. in your official capacity, how does that make you feel?
>> well, first, let me say again, erica, thanks for having me here. in my unofficial capacity supporting hillary clinton, i just want to make that clear, not as secretary of hud, but i'm glad secretary clinton has paid so much attention to the issue of housing and the needs that are out there in the united states and here in new york. because there is a big backlog of housing renovation needs in public housing, there is a need for families to be able to get vouchers so that they can have an opportunity to live in a decent, safe housing. today you saw the event that you all have video of. she clearly made a connection with her audience and she put out an op-ed outlining exactly what she would do to create more affordable housing opportunity here in new york. those are the kinds of specific plans that secretary clinton has offered the american people and new yorkers in this campaign,
and it's one of the real distinctions between her and senator sanders. you know, he's talked a lot about wall street, about other things, but he hasn't really offered specifics. you saw that in the new york daily news editorial board interview a few days ago, you saw it again last night in the debate. so hillary clinton is, i believe, the stronger candidate in part because she's connecting with folks and what they really need for opportunity, and she's offering specifics about how she would get it done. >> one specific, though, that she is not offering that we saw last night, she was asked point blank why she just won't release those transcripts if she has nothing to hide. why has that become such an issue? if you look at this, the optics could have gone away a long time ago but it keeps coming up. why not release them? >> what she has said is she's happy to do that if all the candidates are held to the same standard. >> why shouldn't she set the standard, then? >> this is a new standard that's being developed out of thin air.
if you look on the other side, there is, though, a standard for candidates that has been established for a long time, and that's the release of tax returns. senator sanders was refusing to release any of his tax returns, said they couldn't find them, and now he may release only one year of tax returns. hillary clinton has released 30 years of her tax returns, and you can find them on her website. so she has been a very transparent and open candidate on these issues, but she's also, i believe, challenged the senator to point out one single instance. last night he was challenged to point out one single instance when her speaking in front of folks that are part of wall street were taking money from folks who may work on wall street has ever influenced what she's done on policy, and it was very revealing because he couldn't even cite one instance, even though he's been making this charge for many months now. >> he did receive a fair amount of criticism for that. the transcripts and the tax
returns are not exactly the same thing. what do you expect to find in bernie sanders' tax returns? >> that's a good question. i just hope that he's going to release them, because presidential candidates, i believe, ever since the post-nixon -- in the post-nixon era have released their tax returns. i'm not sure what we would find there, but i do think that he should release those tax returns, that just like donald trump should. right now basically donald trump and bernie sanders are in the same boat. >> we asked this question earlier, and i promised i would ask it of you as well. i was talking to nina turner who was in senator sanders' camp. there is a big divide we're seeing in the democratic party, and come the end of july, the party will have to unite its voters around one candidate. i know you want that to be your candidate. if it is not, if, in fact, it is senator sanders, how do you bring hillary clinton supporters over to that camp. how actively would you work to do that? >> number one, i'd say that i
believe it's going to be hillary clinton, and once that happens, senator sanders has said that she is clearly a superior candidate to anybody the republicans would put up. she would make a much better president. and on the other end of it, even though i believe she's going to win and the numbers show that, that she has said the same thing about senator sanders. every time we have one of these primaries, there is a lot of talk about will the party unify and what's going to happen after the convention. on the other side of things, we have either donald trump or ted cruz who are talking about picking and choosing who gets opportunity in the united states. if you're muslim, you're suspect, if you're an immigrant, you're suspect. if you're lgbt, you can't marry who you want to marry. if you have to work for a living, you're not going to get beneficial treatment under the tax code the way that investo will. so i believe that when the choice is clear going into november that the democratic party will unify.
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any minute now donald trump will begin his rally in plattsburgh, new york as he looks to lock up his home state before the primary. just four days before then. the frontrunner may be looking ahead on the calendar, because later today after plattsburgh, he's going to make his way to hartford, connecticut where he's well positioned to snag the 24 delegates in the election there. joining us now from hartford with a preview of tonight's
rally, nbc's jacob rascon. is it a different message we'll here tonight in plattsburgh or sort of the same? >> reporter: so, erica, we're here many hours before the rally starts and you're going to see that there are hundreds and hundreds of people already in line. we're also expecting protesters tonight. and as we walk through the line, we're meeting a lot of people, some of whom say they were democrat and they've now switched over to republican, and others, for example, this is anthony -- anthony, thanks for taking the time -- and anthony is a college student who is saying it's a very unpopular thing to be a trump supporter. >> oh, yeah. i get a lot of heat for it at school. at the end of the day, i don't really care. i know he's the candidate that will make good on his promises. >> reporter: when he talks about the system being corrupt and they're trying to steal the nomination, what do you make of that? >> that's right. even on the democratic side where bernie gets 57, 60% of the popular vote and the delegates go to hillary, you can see it's
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