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thank you. get inside and stay warm. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. happy friday. it's great to have you here. there's a lot going on tonight. some politics, some not politics. we've got some news tonight that is of profound importance to 10,000 american military families, but it's mostly being ignored by politicians thus far of both stripes. i will say if we're a good country, and one that is trying to get better as a country, the whole problem of politicians ignoring this thing may soon change. we've got that story ahead tonight. we've also got some news out of flint, michigan. we've got political news tonight about one midwestern state, which i think is going to make a lot of republicans really, really angry. we start tonight with the unsubtle art of political symbolism. when political symbolism doesn't just happen in nature.
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when you don't just accidental get a guy ringing the necks of live turkeys behind sarah palin without her noticing or you don't get out there religious right presidential candidate flipping a pancake so hard he flipped himself off a political stage. when political symbolism doesn't just happen to you because the universe offers that to you. instead you try to construct it. it is still sometimes as profound as moments like those. it's also sometimes a little mystifying. take, for example, this picture which we're going to look at closely. this is a picture from today's news. this is a carefully constructed act of political symbolism. what you see here, the main subject here is the governor of mississippi. that's the guy in the fore ground. he's signing a bill. any governor can sign a bill in private. pickup truck it in a big stack of paper like all the other stuff he has to sign. you don't need to do anything show offy about signing any particular bill.
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sometimes governors clooz to choose to show off and they construct a piece of symbolism around the bill signing. this is the kind of thing you get. in this case we can decode bit what's going on based on this visual of today's event in mississippi. at the lower right hand we have a little set of teeny, teeny tiny cowboy boots sitting on a hipster live edge cutting board. i don't know what's going on there. anybody know what's going on, maybe you can help me. next to the boots we have a copy of the book about ronald reagan. i believe it's the ronald reagan diaries. it's got a big smiling picture of ronald reagan on the cover. that's there for the obvious reasons. next to that, keep going down
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the desk. there's a different book. not the reagan book. it looks older. i can't quite tell what it is from this angle. can we zoom in. maybe a cook book. it's a bible. an old and well worn copy of the bible. there's something sitting on top of the bible. at first glance it appears to be a hot dog, which is why i thought the book was a cookbook. what that is is not a hot dog. it's a light colored leather holster holding a handgun. oh, which now tells you what this bill signing is about. today was the day mississippi's republican governor signed into law a bring your gun to church bill. for that purpose, he's got his props on his desk to provide the appropriate symbolism and that includes the people. he's surrounded himself with a group of people who are the
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appropriate people to celebrate bringing your gun to church. now, these are all people who had some interest in this new law in mississippi, right? these are all people who wanted to be there for the signing and helped him out in terms of his political symbolism for that particular bill. here's the thing. this was just one bill for which mississippi governor did a big symbolic bill signing today. when it came time to do the other one, he did it in the same room with the same desk. he had to clear out the people. guns and churches time is now over. the who would jesus shoot folks have to leave the office because now it's time for a new law, new symbolism for which the governor brought in a whole new set of stake holders and interested parties for the photo ops. different angle so you can see the ten commandments. they have left the reagan book on the desk.
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they have also left the bible there next to reagan, but they have taken the gun off the bible. they have surrounded the governor with a group of people who really count for this bill. they surrounded him with a group of people/photo op human prop who is see their interest as most affected by this other new mississippi law signed today. the other new mississippi law that was signed today in a big symbolic photo op bill signing was for a new ban on a common form of surgical abortion. governor phil bryant and these other four white men gathering around the sign into law to make sure your pregnancy proceeds according to their preference under pain of criminal punishment. we know from the guns and churches bill signing there were women available at the mississippi governor's office today to put them in the
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picture. they made sure the bill signing picture for the new abortion law was just all white men. i know these guys are political pros, but it's like they don't know how this sort of thing will be received. they can't think enough outside themselves to realize what this might look like to other people, particularly to other people of the female persuasion. when ohio governor john kasich, signed legislation in 2011 that closed nearly half the clinics that provide abortions in the state of ohio, notice something similar. this was his photo op that day. that's the photo op that john kasich staged in ohio for signing that anti-abortion legislation. it was him and a bunch of grown white men. for good measure they included in that bill signing ceremony, a very, very young man. they also brought in a little boy who the governor invited to sit on his lap and dot the "i" in the word kasich as the men
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folk of ohio got together to show the boy folk of ohio how women's pregnancy can be controlled by the law. this sort of thing happens in mississippi. this happens in ohio. this sort of thing happened in indiana sort of with a twist. this is what it looked like when mike pence signed one of his anti-abortion bills into law. they did include women, but see what i mean about the stakeholders issue. when governor john kasich of ohio did this in 2011, it was, at one level it was the same thing that over republican governors do with anti-abortion bills in other states, but in another way it was a ohio specific expression of and it's sort of an extension of john kasich's general tone deafness when it comes to issues related to women of all kinds.
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john kasich has introduced himself to the people of ohio. it's a statewide elected official who says stuff that you can't believe he's actually saying. sometimes he's offending women. sometimes he's just being radically offensive. 11 days after he took office as governor of ohio, he got on stage to make a speech or give off the cuff john kasich style remarks to a group of state workers. this was 11 days after he became governor. in the middle of these remarks, on camera, out of nowhere, totally out of the blue, unprompted, he launched into this. >> you been stopped by a policeman who was an idiot? i had this idiot pull me over on 315. listen to this story. he says to me, he says you passed this emergency vehicle on the side of the road and didn't yield. he gives me a ticket and says
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you must report to court. if you don't report, we're putting a warrant out for your arrest. he's an idiot. >> john kasich after he got elected governor of ohio screaming to a group of unrelated state workers about the idiot highway patrolman in his state. >> he's an idiot. >> john kasich is one of the last three remaining republican presidential candidates. he's viewed as the normal one. the calm one. the one who says only predictable things. that may be true in relation to ted cruz and donald trump. it's not at all the reputation he's earned in ohio. the cops are idiots thing was not a stand alone occurrence from john kasich's time as governor of ohio. if you don't care about his time, on the campaign trail he's slowly been accumulating quite a
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record now almost a reputation for saying incredibly awkward things. he says them when fired up and angry and sometimes when he was trying to be nice. >> i look at our friends in the latino community as people that ought to be voting republican. i mean, they're very strong family. we can all learn a bit from them about the importance of family, couldn't we? they are great. god fearing, hard working folks. lot of them do jobs that they're willing to do. that's why in the hotel you leave a little tip. this lady, my hotel in l.a., she wrote this note. it said, i really want you to know that i care about your stay. that just -- is that like the greatest thing. i really care about your stay. she had like a little tree with
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some that she drew a little art work. it's just absolutely awesome. so, we can learn a lot. she's hispanic. i didn't know it at the time. i met her in the hallway. asked her if i could get a bit more soap. i got to go. thank you all very much. >> that's it. i killed it. got to go. i'll drop the mic and leave on the soap antic. john kasich is running for president against a businessman who's never run an election or won an election. his other opponent is a u.s. senator who has run this precisely run election in his lifetime to become a u.s. senator and that is it. john kasich ran for state legislature in ohio in the '70s. he won nine straight congressional races. he won two governor races.
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this is the second time he's running for president. that's an impressive amount of experience. it's marked him out as someone who has gone far in politics given what tends to happen when he talks to people or about them particularly when those people are women. it doesn't have to be women but it's usually women. behold, happy friday night. this is our child's treasury of john kasich engaging with women voters. >> are you serious? >> how did i get elected? i didn't have anybody for me. we got an army of people and many women who left their kitchens to go out and go door to door and put yard signs up for me. i'm going right there. yes, young lady. do you go to school here? >> yes, sir. i'm a nursing student here. >> better yet.
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>> first off, i want to say your comment earlier about the women came out the kitchen to support you, i come to support you, but i won't be coming out the kitchen. >> you ever been on a diet? many times. you're the perfect example. we set a goal and you reach it. what happens? how about a trip over to marios? you ever go there? we're there last night. jane portman, karen kasich and janna ryan, they operate an awful lot of the time in the shadows. it's not easy to be a spouse of an elected official. you know, they're at home doing the laundry and doing so many things while we're up here on the stage. all right. who's next? yes, young lady right there. >> okay. my question is pertaining to
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social security in my generation and what your plan is to protect social security and make sure that my generation can still retire and be safe? >> why do you care about that? how old are you? >> 16. >> you're 16 years old and you're worried about social security. >> yes, sir. >> what else do you worry about? did someone tell you to ask this question? >> no, i think for myself. >> if we're that neighbor you're married for 50 years and no one calls any more. she'll wear that dress she hasn't worn in six months. i trust you. god bless the veterans. [ applause ] i don't have any tickets for, you know, for taylor swift or anything or -- i know. you're just so excited.
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>> turns out the young woman who was calling on there did not want taylor swift tickets nor linkin park tickets. she had a super serious question for him about immigration and employment law. after that experience with john kasich mocking her for being so excited, you want taylor swift tickets. she wrote a furious and articulate follow up in her student newspaper about how offended she was and how weird it was when he told the other girl she is so pretty she must get invited to all the parties. whatever else you think of john kasich's run for president and tactical audacity. today he did another one of these thing. there's been lots of reason to not pay attention to him but if you have been, you'll see what he did today is not unusual. this one he did today did make a bigger splash than usual.
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i think that's because people are paying attention to him more than he's used to. the history of john kasich, even just the recent history shows he does stuff like this all the time. today, let's roll the tape. this was john kasich today. >> my question is being i'm a young female college student, what will you do in office as president to help me feel safer and more secure regarding sexual violence, harassment and rape? >> that's the question he was asked today. this was at a town hall. he gave a long answer but he decided to stick the landing with this. >> we're in a process of making sure that all higher education in our state and this ought to be done in the country, that our coeds know what the rules are, what the opportunities are, what the confidential policies are so that you're not vulnerable, at risk and can be preyed upon. i have two 16-year-old daughters.
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i don't even like to think about it. >> it's sad it's something i have to worry about walking. >> don't go to parties where there's a lot of alcohol. don't do that. >> listen, co-ed. that's the kind of thing that john kasich says to women and young women all the time. at this point in the presidential race because there aren't that many other people left besides john kasich, people are paying attention to him when he says stuff like there. he was criticized for this today and he tried to walk it back. >> i want to make sure that our co-eds, our young women have a safe place to go. that's why ohio's been leader in this effort. >> governor john kasich has backed away from the earlier assertion today that our co-eds ought to know better than to be around alcohol at party if they don't want to get themselves raped. he is still calling them co-eds.
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this isn't a new style gaffe. this is what he's like when he talks in public. when he was the governor of ohio, that didn't necessarily matter all that much. if you're looking for a reason why governor john kasich will never be anything other than the governor of ohio, this particularly problem he has speaking to women, this is as good a reason as any. governor kasich right now is poised to come in second place in the new york primary on tuesday night. that said it's only friday. he's got three more days of talking to get through until new yorkers vote. anything can happen, young lady.
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there's one state right now, one midwestern state where people coplaining about the politics aren't just wining because they're losing. that is true in most states when it comes to presidential politics. in one state the complaints sound like whining but they're actually real complaints and not
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just sour grapes. that sort of upsetting story is next. stay with us.
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i think we should've taken a tarzan know where tarzan go! tarzan does not know where tarzan go. hey, excuse me, do you know where the waterfall is? waterfall? no, me tarzan, king of jungle. why don't you want to just ask somebody? if you're a couple, you fight over directions. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. oh ohhhhh it's what you do. ohhhhhh! do you have to do that right in my ear? there's only one state voting on the republican side of the presidential race next week. that's tuesday, that's new york. the latest wall street nbc marist poll shows not only is donald trump likely to win new york, he's likely to win by a gigantic margin. he has 54% of the vote. he's doubling his nearest new york competitor, who is john kasich.
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in all three states donald trump has double digit leads. the other two states there hasn't been polling. that's next week. a week after that the state that votes is indiana. in indiana, there's no polling which is a little shocking because the state has a really big haul of delegates. even though indiana is the only one voting, there's been no public polling. even though the state of indiana has not yet voted and there's no polling, i can confidently proclaim, i can tell you tonight and it's not a prediction, i can actually tell you whatever happens with the republican vote in indiana on may 3rd, no matter how indiana republicans vote that night and that day, i can
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tell you donald trump will lose indiana. he will lose it, at least, in the only way that really counts. the reason i can tell you that is because the delegates, the 57 delegates that are at stake have already been named. the state doesn't vote for another two plus weeks. the delegates were picked this week by indiana state party leaders. of those 57 delegates from indiana, only one is known to be a committed supporter of donald trump. the rest of them, if you look at their public statements and facebook feed, no. if donald trump does well this the vote in indiana then some of indiana's delegates will be compelled to vote for him on a first ballot at the convention. nobody thinks the presidential nomination will be picked on the first ballot. after that first ballot, donald trump can likely kiss all of those idiana delegates good-bye except the one guy's pledge to
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him who is running the campaign in the state. they picked the delegates. they picked one guy who supports trump and 56 other people who do not. now, in case of indiana, this is not appear to be the ted cruz campaign out organizing, running rings around the trump campaign like we've seen in other states. in this case it's the party that screwed over donald trump and his campaign in that state by naming the delegates, ahead of the vote, and picking vocal anti-trump votes as delegates before anybody else got say. you want to see the establishment in action, the establishment actively trying to block donald trump, then the best case for that is what's happening in indiana. that may be why donald trump is losing the nomination despite the huge lead he has. he's getting things snuck out from under him.
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he's also getting out maneuvered by the other campaigns at state and local conventions. we saw that in north dakota and colorado where the trump campaign did a terrible job. we're likely to see that dynamic in states like wyoming and georgia. georgia was won by donald trump. it looks like he's going to have the delegates snatched from him by virtue of his poor organization in georgia this weekend. indiana is a different kettle of fish. indiana is different. today donald trump continued to criticize what he is calling a rigged system. he took to the op-ed pages to single out political insiders and colorado taking the vote. it was other states beating him to the punch. if he wants to appear about a system appearing to be rigged against him, the state to start with is indiana. joining us is a reporter for the fort wayne gazette.
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thanks for being here. appreciate your time. >> thanks for having me. >> i'm struck by the numbers. because indiana hasn't voted yet and there's only one known trump supporter, could the trump campaign done more to get a foothold or was this stacked against them from the beginning? >> the majority people are just long time republicans in the state who probably would have picked as delegates no matter who was running. i'm not sure that anyone could have gotten ahead of it too much. i think these are party insiders and support the party. a lot of them have been delegates before. it's not surprising to see their names on there. >> there hasn't been any public polling in indiana. this happens on two tracks. the more important track is what happens with the delegates at the convention. people are going to turn out and vote on may 3rd in indiana.
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do you have any sense of how things will go there? do you have any good evidence on the ground about how the campaigns are doing in terms of trying to motivate voters? >> they just started in the past week opening offices, things like that. today the state party just announced that ted cruz will be at the spring dinner next thursday. it's really ramping up. we expect that last week in april to be, you know, full head on with all the candidates around. as far as polling, i know of one that might be coming out in next week or so. i hope we get to see it. i know a lot of voters are really engaged and really asking questions about the delegate process. i just hope they get out and vote. we have had just abyssmal turn outs. i hope this spurs people to action. >> people tend to turn out when they think their vote matters. this part of the process, in advance indiana could expect to have no impact.
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then there's this counter railing force, in which the delegates are already chosen. that kind of must cut against people's sense this will matter. >> yeah. the indiana republican party knows that. they have been sending out releases in the last week saying your vote will matter. here's how our delegate system works. they stress they are locked in only on the first ballot but they are free to vote how they would want after that. i haven't talked to all 57 delegates. only one has publicly come out in support of trump. he might have a few more in there somewhere. it is weird because indiana is used to not mattering at all. our primary is so late. most of the delegates in the past, the joke is that they might even not have known they were delegates and just going for the party at the convention. >> well, this convention
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probably is going to be party. it's going to be party of a very different character than we've seen in a long time. it's really nice to have you here. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> it's friday night. i love friday night shows. this is a good one. we have lots more ahead. stay with us. ♪
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there's been this recuring question throughout the flint water led crisis. when the water started looking rusty red or muddy brown or like really bad light beer. there's been this recuring question would the governor drink that water himself. would he pour himself a glass of flint's contaminated tap water and drink it himself? will he pour himself a glass now that he says the filters work, the filters make the water safe. today at a meeting somebody told the governor that the people of flint would very much like him to come to their homes and drink the filtered water himself if he feels so comfortable about it. after this meeting, reporters pressed him for an answer. >> there was an invitation for you to drink the water. something you'll do? >> yeah. i'm happy the look into that. >> rick snyder is happy the look into that.
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if he's going to go into flint popping into houses and having a glass of tap water, we know it would be like him playing a game of lead poison russian roulette. that's not my description. that's the description that come from mark edwards, the virginia tech researcher who blew the lid on the crisis. he's been put in charge of testing flint's water. the second highest lead level ever recorded in a house in the city of flint was recorded less than two weeks ago. testing not just a dangerous level, but testing at more than double the level of led that's considered to be hazardous waste less than two weeks ago. a lot of people in flint refuse to bathe in the water that cams out of their taps. reports of rashes have been widespread the federal government has sent a special federal team to investigate just that part. new york times published a whole
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article about the daily struggle of showering in flint. we're a couple of months in where everybody admits it's a crisis. people are going to water research centers to get bottled water the use for everything. we used to wonder when the state could get it together to start daily delivery. it appear there's no when. home delivery is just not happening. governor snyder and his administration are not working on trying to do that. they don't even aspire to do that. go pick up the water yourself. don't have a car, good luck. flint's mayor started a project to start replacing all of flint's lead pipes into people's home. that did get off the ground thanks to the mayor's determination. it's this little program that they are averaging one house a day. they've got thousands to go. the state legislature is in no
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rush to help. maybe a few months from now they'll think about the funding. in washington, d.c., utah senator, mike lee, just single handedly killed a bipartisan aide package for flint. killed that on if flint gets an aid package then everyone will want one. governor snyder keeps putting out big plans that don't solve the problem at hand and the way people are living, today he proposed tighter rules on how much lead with be in water. he says it can be a model for other states follow and can prevent other water crisis. water in flint is testing twice hazmat levels. this has nothing to do with the water in flint. the water is testing like toxic waste dumps now. he proposes creating plans within the next decade for replacing all the lead pipes in
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the michigan and does nothing to help flint right now. flint is the place where the pipes were fine until the snyder administration ruined them and left them spewing lead right now. he wants lots of ways to fix them in the very, very long run. in terms of flint getting fixed now because you're hearing less, doesn't mean it fixed. the people are living with this thing, still not getting clean water, still not getting the lead out of their pipes.
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gave that answer after announcing plans for the whole state, years from now. years after he's gone as governor. model programs that everybody in the country might use some day. neat. while in flint, itself, people tonight still can not drink the water. and still are not even having clean water brought into their homes. joining us now is michigan senate democratic leader. it's nice to have you here. thanks for your time. >> thank you very much. thanks for having me. >> what do you think of this latest plan the governor has put out? >> i think it's unfortunate. it's like so many of the other proposals. i don't wall them plans. they usually have action. we are going in our third year right now to having unsafe water in flint. the governor, he parachutes in
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and has a press conference about this big plan that he's going to do. we don't have clean water in our community. we still have to rely on bottled water and filters. i think that's unacceptable. >> senator, as you're mentioned you're born and raised in flint. i'm advised by a high level source that you've got a new baby boy in your family right now. >> i do. >> first of all, congratulations, which is very exciting. >> thank you. >> i just have to ask as somebody who lives in flint and you and your wife and your son, among thousands of flint parents who have to worry about this, what's it like not to just deal with this as an acute crisis but going into three years? how is it affecting families? >> we have fear, anxiety, guilt that we're not protecting our families. we did not wrong. this is failed policies of the governor and emergency manager. we don't have the luxury to look into using our water. we have to use it. i would give an invitation to the governor to drink waters in these homes with the high lead levels and come before my committee and answer questions
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to the citizens of my community. let me ask under oath and let him answer those questions he's dodged. >> we keep hearing the legislature is happy to let the question of things like funding for replacing lead pipes to let that ride for a few months and handle in the fall if they are positively inclined toward those fixes. it feels like there's no urgency for that kind of thing at the legislature. is that accurate? >> i think that's 100% spot on. one of the things the governor should be doing as opposed to coming up with plans that deal with the future, he's got a problem now. he should speak to senator lee and tell people to stop playing politics with my community. we need those services. we deserve them. this was not a problem we created. we've been waiting for a long time. we shouldn't have to wait any longer. >> thank you very much.
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we won't stop covering this. >> i appreciate that. i think that's important to say. it's what's helping keep this issue in front of us. >> thank you, sir. we'll be right back.
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we're working now in so many different areas. we're working on libya, we're working on the south china sea and above all still afghanistan. >> where does afghanistan stand. are the taliban continuing to make gains in afghanistan? >> they have made some gains. >> afghanistan, still? yeah, still. so we know how this goes now. the u.s. military has been doing this for long enough that we know how this goes and it goes like this. in afghanistan every year a miraculous thing called winter slows down the fighting literally because it's snowy and cold. the fighting ebs. the snow cuts off mountain passes and trails that the taliban uses for supply routes and transit so winter slows down
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the war and then we know how this goes, every year spring means the fighting starts back up. and now it is spring. it's spring here and it's spring there. so like clock work the taliban this week announced the sort of this year's spring fighting season. they proclaimed in an e-mail to reporters that fighting season this year started at 5:00 a.m. local time on tuesday. and the reason that doesn't strike us as weird any more, the reason we expect this and we know how this cycle goes, is because we have been doing this for such a long time. this is the 15th straight year that the brave men and women of the united states military have done this. this is fighting season number 15 that we have put them in now. we have never in the history of our country fought a war as long as the one our military is still fighting in afghanistan. the u.s. currently has 9,800 troops in afghanistan. that's a level that has remained
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steady over the past year. president obama had set a goal for getting those 10,000 troops out of afghanistan by the end of his presidency, but he officially gave up on that goal last fall, instead he said the war in afghanistan would be handed off to his successor. he said the new goals to cut the troops before he leaves office, but even that troop decrease is under review. the u.s. has now spent more on afghanistan reconstruction than we spent on the marshal plan that rebuilt europe after world war ii. think about that for a second. real dollars, we have now spent significantly more on reconstructing afghanistan than we did on the marshal plan. just let that sink in for a minute. in terms of return on investment, even ahead of this year's fighting season, the taliban already controls more territory now than at any time since the u.s. invaded and
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topled the taliban government in 2001. they have authority over about one-third of the country right now. last year in september the taliban took over and held a major city in northern afghanistan. today now that the fighting season is on again, today the taliban starting attacking again and one member of the council there says the city might fall to the taliban. american forces have been involved in preparing forces for that city, but at the moment no forces have been sent in to try to defend it again. in that city at least it's on. in year 15 officials say they expect very tough combat in months ahead. and now the mission is expanding. president obama directed a new effort by special forces in afghanistan to conduct new offensive operations in that country, but not against the taliban. this time the new operations are
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against isis. we think of this forever war in afghanistan as a two-sided fight, but we've now been there long enough that's out of date. now it's being waged against a new player, roughly 1,000 fighters in isis, who are hostile to the u.s. and the afghan government, but the taliban. isis guys are fighting the taliban. we're fighting the taliban. does that mean we're on the side of isis. of course not. we're fighting isis. the taliban is fighting isis. so are we on the side of the taliban? of course not. we're fighting the taliban and isis and isis and the taliban are also fighting each other. if we had a sane and responsible political system in this country, this is what our presidential candidates would be clobering each other about right now. this is who they would be clamoring to beat each other about because we would be holding them accountable about whether they could fix this because this for us this needs a political solution.
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i am no expert and neither you are, but a solution that has not worked in 15 straight years of trying is one that is probably not going to work in 16 years either or 17 or 18. nothing starts to work in year 16. if we're going to get a new approach here, it's going to have to come from congress as if, or it's going to have to come from one of these nice folks. as long as the war is seen as a foreign story, something that only effects military families and as long as the fate and the work of 10,000 american troops is not seen as something that american politicians actually have to make decisions about, as long as this is just seen as an interesting international news story, then a smart solution is never going to arrive like a gift from heaven. this thing is just going to keep chugging along. this week we started our 15th straight fighting season in that country.
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