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>> his personality is big. bigger than he is. so when he's not there, it's definitely an absence. >> this has been competition since i was eight and he was nine. >> two brothers deal with gangs, drugs and parenthood. >> my idea of fun is running the streets. it gets me in here. >> who wants a high tray? >> they call me as a serial killer. >> a three-time convicted murderer claims he's killed others as well. >> the truth is there's four other killings out there ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> oakland, california is one of the birthplaces of west coast
hip hop and a hotbed for gangster rap. the lyrics often glorify criminal activity, so it should come as no surprise that many inmates consider themselves to be rap artists. [ rapping ] >> i used to -- >> santa rita is a sprawling jail complex located 30 miles outside the city. but many of the nearly 3,000 men and women incarcerated here were arrested in oakland. most have only been charged with crimes and are awaiting trial of the resolution of their cases and one is a bay area rapper who is more than a wannabe. >> we have an inmate come in a couple days ago, international rap artist named drew down. >> my kids know his songs, my
daughters. they're all into the rap. >> he was around when 2 short was around and pocket man was around. he been around for a while. ♪ >> in the '90s i listened to a lot of his music. i was a fan. so we got a celebrity here. >> i'm right here right now. i don't have all day, though. so you will see me back on the street. you will see me blow my music again, you will see me doing movies because this ain't going to stop me. i'm a boss. dru down's real name is danyle robinson. he was arrested for driving under the influence, violations of probation for a prior dui. he must serve the remainder of his sentence, three years, in the santa rita jail.
>> i never really wanted too many people that don't know me. me, i'm distinctive to me. i have this certain look and aura about myself. i stay in ocean ways for the bays and i might have shorted curls for the girls. i stay -- i'm always dressed to impress. >> you know what i'm talking about? >> there's been other celebrities and people of fame that have come in here. most of those people have been put into protective custody, not only for themselves but also the other people. in dru down's case, he wouldn't need protective custody because most of the people respect him and wouldn't try to do something that would harm him. >> protective custody or pc is not just for celebrities. it's for inmates whose lives could be threatened in other parts of the jail. at santa rita, the largest percentage of those are gang dropouts.
>> any time we get gang dropouts saying they quit the gang for whatever reason, were whether it be politics, caught a charge that wasn't going to put them in good standing with the gang and they're in dropout, we can't put them in general population because they'll be subject to attack. >> it's cold as hell. it is. >> gabriel is in protective custody because he left one of the most notorious gangs, the northerners. >> they like to leave a mark on your face, specifically the cheek, cut you with a razor. it's an identifying mark to let everyone know you're no good. i am not trying to sound like i'm tougher than i am. let me be the one to tell you, i'm not a gangster. i'm trying to get by.
i'm a hustler. i'm a product of the ghetto. >> he said he left the gang in part because his status had suddenly become uncertain. >> when i was 18 or 19 i was put in maximum security unit and there was a question mark on my head that i had something to do with one of our so-called homies being deceased. i didn't kill the guy, but they had a question mark over my head. i honestly now believe at the time i'm 18, wet behind the ears, i'm like i'm going to obligate myself with the northerners, which is one of the biggest mistakes i ever made. >> taylor is currently charged with burglary and vehicle theft while on parole. he's pled not guilty but his life is riddled with arrests and convictions for robbery, gun violations, drug possession and evading police. >> i just did the math the other day. so far i've been in jail over 20 times. from juvenile hall time as well. first time i was in juvenile hall was 12 years old. i have not been out a whole year
since then. >> he once held a job as an ironworker but his criminal career is rooted in drug addiction. >> meth monster, a crankster gangster. when i get high, i go until the wheels fall off and i can't get high no more. addiction is like a sickness, it's an illness. i'm realizing i'm sick as hell. >> addiction has made it impossible for taylor to be a father to his five children. all of whom have different mothers. >> i'm a stay home dad, i cook, i clean and all that. i'm sitting here laying in the bed with them watching elmo on the laptop and i see my eyes, i start tearing up, i'll never leave them. i didn't want to. but i got bored. things get boring at home. being legit is boring. i know that sounds [ bleep ] terrible. but my idea of fun is running
the streets. it gets me in here. that's saying that moments of pleasure, years of pain is true. i'm my own worst enemy. >> who wants a high tray? >> when gabriel's bored, parenting has been impossible. he's gotten help from the one constant in his life, his younger brother ezekiel. >> he can't stand me and meth. he's never done meth ever. you know, being that he's the only blood relation i have to this world besides my own children, it kills him as far as these streets go and everything, i don't have no real friends. i don't have no homies or none of that. i got my brother ezekiel. >> the brothers will soon lean on each other again. >> it's frigid today, man. it's cold out here. >> because ezekiel taylor has just been arrested and booked into the jail. coming up -- >> dog gets on me, grabs my leg.
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now are you with me? to awesomeness! to watchathon!! big is back. xfinity watchathon week starts april 18. the greatest collection of shows free with xfinity on demand. make it pretty now. >> the majority of inmates at the santa rita jail outside oakland are pretrial detainees, meaning they're not convicted but are currently on or awaiting
trial. eugene protsman is one of the exceptions. a three-time convicted murderer. he's housed in a single-man administrative segregation cell where he rarely has contact with other inmates. >> they call me as a serial killer. so they keep me confined away from other people. >> protsman was only recently transferred to the jail. he says he was high on meth when he attacked a female acquaintance in a san diego trailer park. >> i was freaked out. i had done too much. i had already been up for like 14 days. i thought this girl was a snitch. setting me up. i don't know exactly what all came about. the next thing you know, i find her dead on the couch. i hit her in the head with a hammer. i left her there dead. so i joined the carnival.
i thought i would hide out with the carnies for a while. the owner had seen my name on "america's most wanted." when he seen it, he called the police and i was arrested one morning at the carnival. >> he was sentenced to life without parole. 12 years later, he was returned to oakland after police linked his dna to a pair of 16-year-old cold case homicides. this time prosecutors were seeking the death sentence but offered a deal. >> they brought me a deal if i pled guilty to the two charges, they'll give me life without and one year for special circumstances. >> while protsman pled guilty and received two additional life without parole sentences, it made little difference to his future. he was already serving life without. he did come clean about the murder and says, they too, were fueled by meth. at the time he was both a dealer and an addict. >> there would be times when i needed to make $10,000, $15,000
in a week. the meth makes you do funny things. you're on a rocket to hell. lose your teeth, lose your mind. lose people, lose friends and even loved ones. >> protsman is now awaiting transfer back to prison. >> hands out your pockets. >> every day a large number of inmates leave santa rita, either for prison or back to the streets. >> hey come on. if you guys want to go home, let's go. >> and every day, new arrivals take their place. >> all right. taylor. >> one of the newest is ezekiel taylor. previously convicted of home burglary, he was just arrested for a probation violation. >> i got in a car with a guy who i wasn't supposed to be in a car with. he got pulled over, police got behind us. a chase, high-speed chase took place. it was either stay in the car
and go to jail or run for your freedom and maybe get away. so i ran. >> we're going to the right. >> taylor managed to elude police and hid under a house, that is, until the police released their canine who left taylor with several reminders of their encounter. >> i tried to run. the dog gets on me and grabs my leg. the dog ripped my shoe off and was just on my feet and would not let go. when he let this one go, he got on this one. he was on me. >> what was going through your mind? >> why the [ bleep ] this dog won't leave me alone. >> spread your cheeks and cough. >> you guys can get dressed. taylor will find out how long this latest parole violation will be when he faces the judge. he's used to the process as he's had numerous incarcerations dating back to childhood. >> from 11 to right now, 26,
i've been out of jail totally 3 years and 9 months. >> you asked me if it gets old, that's the oldest part. >> what? >> that right there. strip bare ass naked in front of another man. >> taylor is not alone in having spent most of his life in jail and a good deal at santa rita. his older brother gabriel is here as well on charges of burglary and auto theft. >> let me think of a word for ezekiel. i can't say he's my everything. he's more than that. but he's everything that i got in this world. we grew up together side by side. >> the brothers share something else in common, their red jail uniforms, signifying they're in protective custody. >> i am in red because i'm no longer an active gang member. i'm a dropout. i'm over here in red because if
i was out in the general population, i'd be forced to defend myself. >> both brothers dropped out of the notorious gang based in northern california. they're in protective custody because the gang usually retaliates, often fatally against dropouts. >> my brother, i seen him get involved, i followed suit. i just ran with it. i loved it for a minute. i thrived in it. >> behind you. >> ezekiel says he dropped out of the gang shortly after gabriel did. but it was because of what the gang asked of him. >> i was in prison and a friend of mine had told me, i heard your brother went all bad. they kind of wanted me to help them. >> punish your brother for dropping out? >> i guess you could say that. come on, that's my blood. my very first friend. jesus himself couldn't strike that man without having to strike me.
>> i know my downfall. i had the best intentions. i'm a follower. you know what i mean, i'm easily influenced. i've done some [ bleep ]. but i ain't the only one. this is the bay area. this is where crack was invented. i'm just a needle in a haystack. >> coming up -- >> just let me see girl ♪ ♪ >> celebrity inmate known as dru drown keeps the inmates entertained and talks about his other career. >> in l.a. i ran an escort
peekaboo. peekaboo. nothing but a bunch of crooks over here. >> among the nearly 3,000 male inmates at the santa rita jail in oakland, celebrity rapper danyle robinson or dru down considers himself just another one of the guys. >> come on. >> that's why he's chosen to turn down the jail's offer to house him in protective custody or pc. >> i don't want to be treated no different. i'm just the person that i am. i could be pc'd up but no, that's never going to be me. i'm walking the main line at all times. >> watch this. this is rock 'em sock 'em dano. >> what you going to do with it? you see that. talk to him. >> like that. >> hello. >> robinson is currently in jail for violating his probation by driving under the influence and evading police. but he says run-ins with the law inspired his music.
>> i started rapping probably when i was 16 when i got out of juvenile hall. it was just like if you didn't know the streets, i couldn't make music. what would i rap about? you know, you need to be on the streets to rap about something. you need to know what's going on. >> robinson has been in and out of jail most frequently for dui convictions but he's never been arrested for the subject of his best known song. >> well, as they say, he was the pimp of the year. >> robinson's biggest hit was his 1994 song, pimp of the year. and he says there was some truth behind the lyrics. >> i had my own escort service called eye candy. in l.a. i ran for like eight years. i was doing illegal. i wasn't just on the street. i wasn't a corner guy. >> robinson has memorialized his former career with a bejeweled grill.
>> says pimp. rubies and diamonds. >> are you proud of that? >> i'm very proud. i'm a proud man, period. >> are you proud of being a pimp? >> yeah, i'm proud of being who i am. you know, who i became, period. i never did no harm to nobody being a pimp. >> do you have any daughters? >> yes. >> how old? >> mine is 8 and a stepdaughter 19. >> how would you feel if your 8-year-old decided to become a prostitute? >> we're going to have a talk. we're going to have a real long talk about it. because i know the game. so i'm going to tell her the game before she get in it. but you know, once they walk out the door, how can i stop anything? >> it's okay if she gets in it? >> no, it's not okay at all. hell no, it ain't okay. but at the same time, i ain't going to be pimping lately. i'm trying to do my music and movie thing.
>> when was the last time you were pimping, honest? >> you know, a few months ago. but i'm just saying, you know -- >> robinson says there's one woman who holds a special place in his heart. he's been dating his girlfriend jenny for the past three years. >> graduate and do something different. i'm older now. you know what i'm talking about. there's just a situation i want to do when i'm here. she the one. ♪ let me show you what a fella can do ♪ ♪ first name dru ♪ >> just as pimping is a running theme in his music, so is jenny. >> i can have a whole lot of women ♪ ♪ but i love the one that i got, she hot ♪ ♪ show looked at me and said stop ♪ ♪ just let me see girl exactly who you be, girl ♪ ♪ you can be my world, girl ♪ pack your bags, let's go on tour ♪ ♪ just let me show you ♪ what a fella can do ♪ my last name down ♪ my first name dru
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now back to "lockup." due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. many of the inmates pass time working out in the yard. in the day rooms. or in their cells. jimmy silva is considerably less dedicated to fitness but art is another story. he makes miniature sculptures out of soap and whatever he can scrounge from his few possessions. >> it's soap. i get pictures out of magazines. these are comb pieces and this
is paper that i roll up. >> i take these soaps. you see how they got -- they're indented, right? when i do them, i got to flatten them out so they're completely uniform throughout. this is velcro off of the shoes. and a stick -- the inside of the deodorant has a little stick inside of it. i break that stick out and that's what i use right here. this gives me this shape right here. get that shape. the bend. and then the rest is all hand shaped. >> silva, who is serving two years for possession of marijuana with the intent to sell trades his sculptures for among other things, extra soap. >> this hygiene is my major concern. this little bar of soap that they give you once a week, i got a lot of square footage to cover, you know what i mean. so this little bar of soap might be good for two showers for me. it might be good for three showers for him.
you know what i mean? that's not good for five days. then they give you a little packet of shampoo. if you ain't got nothing and no hustle, it will get you by. but i'm a big guy, i need to shower every day, i need deodorant and shampoo. i need to be clean. >> one of silva's customers is gabriel taylor. both are housed in protective custody because they're gang dropouts. >> courtesy of the skinny. >> he will be reunited with another gang dropout, his younger brother ezekiel. >> let me see the dog bite. yes. good one. yes. good one. next time don't run. >> i didn't run. i was laying down. >> under the house, huh? >> that's what you get. after interviewing both brothers to assure they will not cause any problems together, jail officials decided to approve their request to house in the same unit. they will have separate cells with different cell mates. >> world series of chess is
going on. >> but now ezekiel and gabriel can spend time together in the unit's day room. >> this piece goes like this, right? >> yeah. >> we grew up together side by side. we raised one another. i raised him like a son. >> that's my older brother. it's my first friend, my best friend really. sometimes my only friend. this is personal right here. >> this has been competition since i was 8 and he was 9. >> this is competition right here. >> has he ever let you down? has he disappointed you? >> of course. disappointed him many times too. but the main disappointment is the dope. when i found out my brother was a drug addict, i went to the house where he was smoking it. i laid everybody down.
who is selling this dope? where did he get it from? if i find out you're selling dope to this again, it's bad for you, period. my daddy don't raise no dope fiends. >> i need to be wounded. you just took my horse. >> that's what i do. >> the brothers say they were not always close to their parents and spent much of their childhood in foster care or juvenile detention facilities. with long arrest records, they say they both have regrets but some can at least be good for a laugh. >> like gabriel's jailhouse tattoos. >> this is a bible. this is god bless my family. -- the dude spelled family wrong. he put fam-lie. i'm ashamed i let an idiot tag on me. on my lower portion of my stomach supposed to say something and it don't say it right. i don't even want to talk about it. i'm not going to embarrass
myself. >> it's on his lower stomach. it's daniel's world on his stomach. it's supposed to be danielle. >> it's another illiterate tattoo. right above my area. >> have you seen the one on his neck. the middle finger and you pay me. >> what possessed you to do that, man? >> i regret them all, every single last one of them. >> why? >> [ bleep ]. >> unfortunately, i'm carrying these things for life. especially this one. who wants to hire a [ bleep ] with an attitude like that. try to get a job with that. >> you nervous? >> one year apart in age, the brothers do share some things in common. including the unusual birth defects that they've each had fixed.
>> i was born with six fingers. they got cut off when i was like eight months. we call them chicken nuggets. it's a family trademark. my father had it, my brother got it. >> my youngest son jason, out of all my kids, he's the only one that has this extra finger. >> free paternity test. serious business. free paternity test. >> paternity is also an issue for both brothers. just before his arrest, ezekiel found out his girlfriend is pregnant with their first child. >> i take responsibility seriously. i'm a very loyal individual. so my loyalty above all else will be with my child. not to myself. >> okay. >> i'm not as responsible. i guess you could say because i felt the same thing. when the daughter came, when my daughter was born, i was in the same unit. i was in d-pod. i said this is it for me. i'm going to hang it up and everything. my daughter was born.
i got out a month later. it was crazy. oh, wow, i got a baby, i'm a dad now. me, i got a problem with boredom. i got bored. my daughter got born, the whole process of being a father and everything got boring. i'm not even trying to sound like a [ bleep ]. i'm keeping it real. but i start making excuses and i made it cool for myself to start venturing away. before i knew it, now i got two kids and then bam, my third. my other baby mama is his ex-wife's sister. i had a baby with her. then i had a baby with an ex-girlfriend, then with another girl. before i knew it, i'm like [ bleep ]. every time they see me, how many kids you got now? >> that's the first thing out of everybody's mouth. what's your number now? >> why you giving up free pieces? >> gabriel's irresponsible parenting, like his drug use,
has angered ezekiel. >> me and him, we buck heads a lot because i find myself with 100 bucks in my pocket and i'm about to go give 80 of it to one of your baby mamas. where you at? you know what i'm saying? but i mean, he's my brother. can't hate him. it's my brother. >> check. >> check. >> and down goes frazier. >> coming up -- >> exactly who you be girl ♪ the rapper has a visit from the woman behind his lyrics. and eugene protsman's chilling confessions. >> word got around that somebody had to take care of her and i volunteered.
♪ even though i'm up in the cell ♪ ♪ it's like [ bleep ]. for one inmate, doing time at the santa rita jail offered him an opportunity to find a collaborator and an inspiration to compose a new rap about his circumstances. >> yeah, i'm in lockup ♪ ♪ sitting in county jail ♪ i'm a star ♪ i'm in the santa rita should be playing tennis with serena ♪ ♪ but i should be in my own room ♪ ♪ i wouldn't feed three dogs ♪ ♪ i'm in lockup ♪ lock u-p ♪ on msnbc
♪ l-o-c-k-u-p on msnbc. dru down might have found a rap partner in ellis williams but today he gets to spend some time with a more intimate partner. he has a visit with his girlfriend. jenny teixeira has been dating robinson for almost three years though they've known each other for more than a decade. >> always good to see some lips, pretty lips instead of a man all the time. you know what i'm talking about? >> you heard of him? >> i think so. i don't know. >> though she's experienced some of the oakland street life that her boyfriend raps about, that's all in the past. >> i have a masters degree in counseling. i studied psychology and all this stuff. my life, i changed my life a long time ago. so whatever street life i had, i let that go years ago. i help youth and help them turn their life around. it's kind of ironic, i guess, i would end up with someone like him. but he has a big heart. he's a good person.
he's made some decisions in the past that catch up with you. pimp of the year, that's a song. that side of him doesn't exist in our world. that exists on records. in videos. just for the record, too, like i'm not a prostitute and never have been. so i chose to still look past the image and see the man inside. he's a beautiful person. >> hey baby. what's happening? >> how are you doing? >> oh, you know, survival tactics. >> i miss you. >> i miss you too, baby. you know that automatically: look at you. so beautiful baby. >> what shoes you got on? >> okay. >> there we go. >> bootied up, baby. >> suited and booted. >> i'm digging this black and red, baby. >> you like that? >> someone like dru. he's got a big old heart and he loves me to death. how do you walk away from that?
his personality is big. bigger than he is. so when he's not there, it's definitely an absence. >> exactly who you be girl ♪ ♪ you can be my world, girl ♪ >> what made you write that? >> just thinking of you. deep thoughts. you know, when it comes to music and us as far as in a relationship, i want all that to intertwine, especially how the lord and i -- i think that's what's really going to bring us and keep us together anyway. >> there's only one way that that's going to happen. >> what's that? >> serious relationship with god first. and then everything else falls into place. >> yeah. >> that needs to be number one relationship. seriously -- >> you're a believer. >> seriously, don't cut me off. >> i know. >> i'm telling you the truth. >> i know. >> that needs to be number one. i know that's a big flipflop from what people might be used
to with you. nobody is saying you're going to turn around and be a minister. you just need to have that relationship. >> there you go. >> you need to have that relationship with god no matter what. >> don't got to worry about that. you already know that's already official. i got to stay on top of this industry thing. i know he going to make it happen. as long as you stick with me, everything going to come together like bootie cheeks. >> i need you to get out of here. >> soon enough. >> i need you to never come back here. >> that ain't going to happen. >> this isn't a place for you. it's not a place for anybody really. >> i'm going to talk to you later. you know, they shutting us down right now. >> going to turn the phones off. >> about to turn the phones off. >> you know i love you. >> i love you. >> call me later. >> i'm going to call you later and i'll write you tonight. when i do my workout, i'll think about you. i love you too.
>> i love you, baby. >> love you too. >> love you. >> i don't like coming here to visit him. i'd rather him be out there with me and the family. so it's painful, it's sad. i want to take him home with me. i want him to come home. >> coming up -- >> your jacket. ruined. >> dog ate my shoes. >> ezekiel taylor leaves santa rita with a reminder to steer clear of police dogs. and eugene protsman discusses the killings he says he got away with. >> these are all true stories, huh? >> yep.
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like most large county jails, santa rita has a revolving door of dozens of inmates entering and leaving the facility every day. many are familiar faces. >> the offenders come in and out constantly. we deal with the same inmates over and over and over again. we typically hear the same story, i'm never coming back as they're leaving. it's usually someone that we've already seen a dozen times come in and out, in and out. it's usually the same people in and out. >> i'll get your clothes for you. stand by. >> one of those repeat offenders
is ezekiel taylor. today he's bound for the exit after serving 60 days for a probation violation. >> back at work tomorrow? >> no, not tomorrow. monday. >> taylor will now exchange his jail scrubs for the clothes he was arrested in. >> don't wear any of our stuff. if the release deputy catches you with any of our stuff on, you know how it is. >> there's no shoes in there? >> the dog ate my shoes. >> taylor's clothes bear reminders of his encounter with the police canine the night he was arrested. >> look at this. grass stains everywhere. >> why? >> i was running from the police. i was trying to go home. look at the jacket, though. dig this. $250 jacket ruined. ruined. dog ate my shoes. >> when an inmate is arrested without shoes, officers give them unclaimed shoes to wear out of the facility.
with a size 13, taylor's choices are limited. >> so i got these right here. these are fly right here. these are the new ones. [ bleep ]. >> i think i'll walk barefooted. >> wear them out of here, throw them away and you can wear whatever you want. >> 11s? >> those are fly right there. >> dude, they go perfect with your ripped up jacket. >> man, bro. >> look at this. >> are you ready? >> sure. >> you don't want to stay? >> no. >> a short time later, taylor steps outside and is once again on his way to freedom. >> it's been fun. but i got to run. >> left behind is his older brother gabriel who feels more anxiety than joy over ezekiel's release. they've both been in protective custody for being gang dropouts. >> i hate that he's leaving. i worry about my brother. not even him just getting in the [ bleep ]. just being identified as a dropout. they don't play games in oakland. that's the taliban. we live in al qaeda. you see my brother and try to make an example out of him. i see his name plastered. i know what i do. before my kids is my brother.
i raised him before i raised my children. >> gabriel will soon face the same tough streets. prosecutors offered to reclassify his current burglary and vehicle charges as a probation violation. so rather than face trial and a possible prison sentence, he will serve 90 more days at santa rita before he's freed. retaliation from his former gang is always a possibility. but gabriel has other demons to be concerned with. >> what do you think the chances are you're going to stay away from meth? >> the chances are good. i just need a vice, some type of hobby. not a hobby like that. but i grew up this way. either i can take on smoking weed, which is not as serious as meth. me and meth don't mix. i can't drink much, you know what i'm saying? it easily affects me. i can take on drinking. it's legal. i got to find me some type of crutch to slowly get me off the
meth. >> meth has taken a toll on eugene protsman's life as well. >> how are your teeth? >> i don't have none. >> let's see. >> what happened? >> too much meth. >> it all falls out. >> protsman blames meth on far more devastating events in his life. he says he was high on the drug when he committed the three murders that have earned him three life sentences. but now, as he awaits transfer to prison, protsman says they were not the only three. >> the truth is, there's four other killings out there that i'm suspected of. they can come talk to me any time. >> i don't care about suspected. did you do it? >> yes. >> and tell me exactly where you did it. >> did one in spokane, washington.
that was a -- that was out in the field. a buyer that was buying some meth from me. >> why did you kill him? >> because he was trying to set me up. he was wearing a wire. >> well, if he was wearing a wire, wouldn't they have caught you? >> i thought it was a wire. what it was, was one of the ear bud for a radio. and you got luke in virginia. that was in '92. >> and why did you kill luke? >> luke owed me $40,000 and couldn't pay me the money. >> protsman says another took place in fort myers, florida. >> i was involved with a disturbance between two different gang rivals and this guy had a hit put on him. and word got around that someone had to take care of him and i volunteered. >> why?
>> because i was trying to build a reputation with this certain group of individuals. >> finally, protsman said he also murdered a motorcycle officer in the 1970s. >> that was the very first one i ever did. i ran him off the road with my truck. >> why? >> because he wanted me to flip for him. he wanted me to flip against the gang with him. >> while protsman offered specifics about the officer he says he killed, homicide detectives who investigated the case said they could not link him to the officer's death and concluded it was due to an accident. >> these are all true stories, huh? >> yep. >> okay. >> became a habit, i think. i kind of think that if i wouldn't have got the life sentence, if i got out again, i'd probably kill again. i really feel that way. >> turn around.
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