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all backed by an industry leading broadband network and people committed to helping you grow your business. you get a company that's more than just the sum of it's parts. centurylink. your link to what's next. good morning, everyone, i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york and msnbc world headquarters. two days before the big new york primary ted cruz can declare victory in another battle this morning but in the delegate rich empire state it could be a very different story as he fights john kasich and donald trump. >> there are two and only two candidates who have any plausible path at winning the republican nomination. me, and donald trump. >> so the system is rigged. it's a bad system. it's a dirty system. and we're going to do something about it. >> if you don't want to see donald trump as the nominee. if you don't want to hand the general election to hillary
clinton, which is what a trump nomination does, then i ask you to please support the men and women on this slate. >> but just remember this, folks, ted cruz does not like you, and he does not like new york. >> on the democratic side it appears a battle will go down to the bitter end, and much of it depends on money. >> it's ridiculous that we should have this kind of money in politics. i agree with it completely. >> money talks, but it doesn't fly to well especially when it's tossed at a motorcade. details on all of these story lines right here on msnbc, the place for politics. topping our headlines this morning, ted cruz's victory in womening, the texas senator picked up all 14 delegates during yesterday's convention bringing his total number of pledged delegates in the state
to 23. donald trump picked up one delegate as did marco rubio. cruz's sweep in wyoming now puts him fewer than 200 delegates behind donald trump, at a rally in new york yesterday trump gave his take on why he lost in wyoming and colorado, while at the same time, ramping up his feud with the rnc over delegates. take a listen. >> the reason they changed, which was they saw i was going to win colorado. so the way we do it is we give it to the bosses. so colorado, their vote was taken away. wyoming, their vote was taken away. now, i like to run, we have a lot of good business people, i run a smart campaign. i'm putting up my own money so i'm not going to waste money. so i could have had people go there four months ago, five months ago but i don't want to waste money, especially when maybe at the end of the whole process, a boss will say, well we don't want trump for some reason. because, i am the ultimate outsider, folks. >> a new poll by nbc news and marist reveals what voters think the party should do if no one
wins the majority of delegates for the convention. 62% of the republican voters believe the candidate with the most votes in the primaries should, in fact, win the nomination. and 33% of them say it should be the candidate who delegates think would be the best nominee. now on the democratic side, bernie sanders can claim another victory after winning a majority of delegates at the colorado convention. he picked up 41 delegates to hillary clinton's 33. just hours after returning from nevada, sanders was in brooklyn, new york, last night for a forum on faith and social justice. when asked about the criminal justice system he gave one of his strongest endorsements yet of the black lives matter movement. take a listen. -- for substantially raising consciousness on this very important issue. >> and after george clooney invoked bernie sanders' campaign in an interview airing on "meet the press" this morning my
colleague chuck todd asked clooney about the hefty price tag for a fund-raiser he and his wife hosted for hillary clinton in los angeles. >> $353,000 a couple to be a co-chair. do you look at it yourself and think that's an obscene amount of money? >> yes. i think it's an obscene amount of money. i think that, you know, we had some protesters last night when we -- when we pulled up in san francisco. and they're right to protest. they're absolutely right. it is an obscene amount of money, but sanders campaign when they talk about it is absolutely right. it's ridiculous that we should have this kind of money in politics. i agree. completely. >> now speaking of money, look at this footage showing sanders' supporters throwing money at clinton's motorcade on its way to that fund-raiser. clinton returns to new york city today for an event on staten island, and sanders will hold a rally here in brooklyn. now on the republican side trump is the only candidate with a schedule of events. he has two scheduled in new york. let's get more on ted cruz's
near sweeping victory in wyoming, msnbc's hallie jackson is in casper there where the state's gop convention took place. hallie we know ted cruz won all the delegates in colorado and now wyoming. how is the campaign reacting to those? >> he swept those 14 at-large delegates to head over to cleveland in july, ayman. the cruz camp very pleased about this. i want to read you a piece of his statement and i'm going to point out the most important sentence here. he says, this is senator cruz, gra grassroots are rising up, republicans overwhelmingly elected delegates who will support us at the national convention and nominate us to take on hillary clinton. this is how elections are won in america, this is another step in our drive to win a majority of republicans to be the nominee. ayman, listen to that line, this is how elections are won in america. this, to me is an apparent clear shot at donald trump, trump complaining about the system being rigged, talking about how we could be in for a rough july, in this words, if the rnc
doesn't, as trump says, shape up essentially. so this is a shot from cruz, it seems, to trump saying hey, these are the rules, this is how elections happen, and this is how we are working it in order to be the nominee come july, even if, for example, senator cruz does not lock up at 1,237 number that he needs. i can tell you that the cruz campaign is really focused on the delegate strategy. a top aide saying over the weekend 95 delegates were selected at 34 events across ten states. a lot of action and i'm told the cruz camp had volunteers or staff numbers at every single one of those events. there's an indication that trump is not nearly as well organized as them and the process is more than half over. even though trump is trying to step up his delegate strategy the cruz campaign is unconcerned about that. here's what they are concerned about that trump could lock up the nomination before the convention. in the words of one aide, it doesn't matter how good our delegate strategy is if trump wins the nomination outright it's essentially all for naught. >> so hallie, let me ask you this, with 48 hours to go to the
new york primary, and ted cruz trailing in the polls at least, is he taking a little break? he doesn't have any events scheduled for today at least. >> no campaign events today. although he is headed back out on the campaign trail. tomorrow remember his daughter's birthday was this week. so i would imagine that perhaps the family is together on this sunday celebrating that. cruz knows, and the campaign knows that new york is not a place where they're going to win. donald trump looks extremely strong there. the question is, will he get above that 50% threshold, or not, in these congressional districts? instead watch for cruz to turn his focus over the next two weeks until april 26th to pennsylvania, and to maryland. pennsylvania, the campaign believes they will get more than 30 of the delegates at stake there. and in maryland, look for them to play hard also with 38 delegates in play. those are kind of the big prizes when we look to april 26th. and then beyond that in early may, indiana, really a sleeper state. it's been described by several republican operatives as potentially the next battleground and the cruz team is framing it as possibly similar to wisconsin. this idea that it is a place where the stop trump movement
will compete. it's a place where there a more moderate conservative. it's important to play hard in indiana to show that he can coalesce more conservatives around him. that's been his strategy from the beginning. the challenge, donald trump looks really strong in these northeast states. he's polling on top in pennsylvania, in indiana, so for cruzt's an uphill battle. ayman? >> all right. nbc's hallie jackson for us live in early in snowy casper, wyoming. appreciate that update. now to the trump campaign, and the two events he has scheduled in new york today, nbc's ali vitaly joins me from staten island. we heard a lot about the delegate process yesterday. should we expect to hear more of that from trump today? >> hey, ayman. well the delegate process has been something trump has been railing against consistently for the last week throughout new york. he's been talking about how the process is rigged, how he feels it's unfair. especially unfair to him as he's an outsider of the system as he frequently says he's not a
politician. though for the past ten months or so he has been. as you see more states elect their delegates at state conventions you see trump zero in more on states that he's unhappy with. for example, colorado. wyoming. places that he feels should be given the chance to have voters go to the polls, as opposed to electing delegates at state conventions. and in these places you hear people at his rallies say they totally agree with that and they can understand why what trump is saying makes sense. a lot of these people don't say that they understand the delegate process. ted cruz may say this is how elections are won, but voters don't necessarily see it that way. when i ask voters at rallies, what do you think about what trump is saying about the delegates? they say it agrees with them and it makes sense to them that the process might be stacked against their candidate who is outside of the establishment and who they feel the establishment is trying to take down. now, of course, trump campaigned for their part says all of the delegate wrangling might be for naught on the part of the cruz campaign. they think they're going to get to 1,237 and then some. >> nbc's ali vitali appreciate
that. hillary clinton and bernie sanders converging on new york. cbs's kristen welker is outside the clinton campaign headquarters for us in brooklyn. kristen, good to have you with us. hillary clinton spent most of yesterday fund-raising with hollywood a-listers. certainly the clooneys at least. but made her pitch to raise the minimum wage. >> that's right, ayman. good morning to you. secretary clinton at the home actually of george and amal clooney where that high-priced fund-raiser. she did have an event in l.a. earlier in the day, talking about raising the minimum wage, and sort of underscores this dichotomy that the complain campaign is dealing with. secretary clinton still has to raise money the old-fashioned way. with those fund-raisers and you pointed out at the top of the show you had those protesters throwing dollar bills at her car as she drove in. and of course it's a stark contrast to bernie sanders, who raises millions of dollars online, small dollar donations.
he likes to say the average, $27. every month often outpacing secretary clinton, in fund-raising and that's going to allow him to stay in this race for as long as he wants to. that's why the clinton campaign has had counterprogramming all week long, if you will. talking about the minimum wage in los angeles, and before she left for her trip to l.a., she met with low-income seniors here in new york to remind people hey, folks, yes i have to raise money the old-fashioned way but i'm still talking about the issues that you care about. bottom line, ayman, will this have an impact on the race here in new york? it doesn't look like it. take a look at the latest poll. it shows secretary clinton with a strong lead here. 57-40%. i've been talking to sanders campaign officials who tell me they are bracing for a loss here in new york. their goal is to make sure that she doesn't get a win that is too big, and that they get some delegates. so that they have momentum, heading in to states like pennsylvania, new jersey. they think they have a strong shot at oregon, indiana, for
example. right now, it is all about momentum for senator sanders. >> all right kristen welker live for us in brooklyn this morning. that's for that update. let's bring in lynn sweet washington bureau chief at the "chicago sun-times." good morning to you. >> good morning. >> in the new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll 71% of republicans say that they think it's unacceptable that the convention nominates someone who did not run in the primaries. what does that do to the white knight idea that they might nominate somebody from outside of the primary system? you think the party will go through with such a nomination if voters are so vehemently against it? >> that is a potential that will be closed if the rules committee decides to do that. so the answer is yes. there is -- there is a growing theory of thought that even though the convention may be chaotic, and even though there is a move to deny trump the nomination if he hasn't clinched, it should go to
somebody who ran and that poll underscores that feeling. so all it does is foreclose paul ryan or someone like that who already said he didn't want to run anyway. maybe he saw this coming, from being nominated. so that does show the sentiment. and i think it would be harder, even harder for the public to sbal low if somebody who has not run ended up being the republican nominee. >> let's talk a little about ted cruz's strategy. he swept wyoming yesterday after being the only candidate to show up for its convention. it's the strategy he employed in the state of colorado, as well. do you think that it's smart to focus on these delegate-light states? >> absolutely. that's one of the things that barack obama did in 2008. that helped him keep his delegate count higher than hillary clinton. it is a multistep delegate selection process. and it's not well known, but it is not rigged. see not being well known is not
the same as rigged. it's a complicated system. maybe it shouldn't be but for the moment it is. which is the heart of donald trump's complaint. so you could collect dozens of these delegates at these state conventions that were not just set up at the spur of the moment just for donald trump. everything was long planned and laid out in a calendar of events. it was not only smart of cruz, it's almost seems like political malpractice for trump not to have foreseen the need to have paid attention to these state conventions where many still have to be held where you can pick up delegates outside of the process where some are elected outright. >> that's a important that's important. it's certainly something that donald trump himself keeps rallying against. and that is the argument that the delegate system is rigged. is there any grain of truth to that?
just even from a perception point of view that voters are looking at the thing like well we're voting for donald trump but somehow the delegates are still going to ted cruz? >> let's separate the question. as you said there's perception and reality. people forget that we do not directly elect a president. it's the electoral college. we do not just say who got more votes. if that were the case the candidate would spend most of the time running in california and new york and the big states. you'd never see him in the smaller states. with this mullaly-step process that's what you end up having. is a perception by people who aren't familiar with it. and i don't blame them. people are busy. why would you understand all this necessarily. so, if i may take it the next step then, so when donald trump is saying it's rigged i think what he's trying to do is
renegotiate the terms of the deal. to somehow say i'm going to wipe out what the paperwork is now, and how we select delegates. and i'm going to try and use my bully pulpit, which is considerable, and try and thwart the system that's set up now to my advantage. >> lynn sweet always a pleasure to talk to you. thank you very much for your insight. one man still in the race, the other man's out. so how could they be so important to ted cruz right about now? that's next.
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cruz said in a statement last night grassroots are rising up, republicans overwhelmingly elected delegates who will support us at the national convention. this is how elections are won in america. let's bring in steve lon igen a national spokesperson for ted cruz for president. thanks for joining us. it was a small victory in wyoming for senator cruz. donald trump still leads cruz by nearly 200 delegates overall. do you see any scenario for your candidate, ted cruz, could walk into the convention with those 1,237 delegates needed for the nomination instead of a contested convention? >> well it would be very, very difficult. it's not out of the question but i don't think it's likely. but the fact is that not just colorado and wyoming yesterday where senator cruz went and asked for their vote and donald trump didn't, but in georgia, kentucky, oklahoma over the last few days republicans have been caucusing in church basements and recreation centers, and campaigning to become delegates to go to the convention because
they want to get to the convention and pick the candidate who stands up foe republican principles, and is best capable of beating the democrats come november. donald trump has disenfranchised republican voters by refusing to hold a debate. the other night there was a big debate in brooklyn where democrats have the opportunity to see their candidate from a national stage talking about the issues that are important to democrats. donald trump refuses to debate ted cruz, refuses to go out to colorado, wyoming and other states and ask for republican votes. it's clear to me that donald trump has not been a member of the republican party for very, very long. he's been a democrat most of his life. you know, ayman, these folks who are going to these folk use meetings, the people that are electing delegates, they've been working in the republican party for years. often decades. they've knocked on doors, they've made phone calls, they've supported republican candidates. they've supported the party. donald trump does not respect those delegates. >> so what's the strategy then for senator cruz if he's not going to get to 1,237 outright is it then really to try to
force a contested convention? >> senator cruz doesn't force -- it occurs as a result of nobody getting to that 1,237 number or beyond. and then the delegates will convene and listen to speeches and look at the polls and look at the candidates that can best win in november. and best support the republican party. that's what the convention process is about. that's what it's been about since abraham lincoln won on the fourth ballot in 1860. >> let me play you this little sound bite from donald trump. he continues to blast the delegate system. take a listen to what he said, i'll ask your reaction afterwards. >> the system is a bad, bad system. and they got to do something about it. the republican national committee, they better get going. because i'll tell you what you're going to have a rough july at that convention. you better get going and you better straighten out the system, because the people want their vote. the people want to vote. and they want to be represented properly.
it's totally corrupt politics. >> so did donald trump have a point here? he's leading the popular vote by 1.9 million votes. the poll that we put out, nbc/wall street says that 70% of the people want the candidate with the most votes to become the nominee, even if he doesn't win it outright. shouldn't that count for something? >> 63% of all republicans that have voted in this primary have voted against donald trump. trump's coming off two of the biggest losing weeks i've ever seen at this point in the republican primary. got wiped out in utah. ted cruz got 69% of the vote in utah. got destroyed in wisconsin. ted got 18 of 19 delegates in north dakota. swept wyoming, swept colorado. donald trump's been losing, losing, losing for the last week and it's driving him nuts. he thinks it should be handed to him. the republican convention process has been the same throughout the whole history of the republican party. donald trump doesn't understand it. he wants to stack the deck in his own favor instead of going on and competing to win.
trump supporters need to look at this and say wait a minute we need a candidate who's smart enough to win these delegates, who's smart enough to build the kind of ground game and grass roots support that ted cruz has. that's what's going to beat hillary clinton come november. not donald trump's whining. >> are you going to make a play for marco rubio's votes? >> i would make a play for every single delegate vote. and go in to the convention with a candidate that has the strongest platform and ability to beat hillary clinton. those delegates will make a very wise choice come july in cleveland. and we're going to nominate ted cruz for president. >> all right, thank you very much for joining us this sunday morning. donald trump is losing delegates he thought he won in primary victories. why is this happening? and do trump's complaints about delegate dealings appear more valid than what you think. but before we go to break, check out julia louis driveous as seinfeld's elaine ben us. she got a chance to put a question to barry david as none
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welcome back, everyone. donald trump is warning of a rough july if the rnc doesn't change its convention rules. one of trump's arguments is ted cruz is stealing his delegates after trump's victories in states like tennessee. trump's campaign director said an updated delegate list he reviewed earlier this month is wiped clean of several of the names that were originally agreed upon and instead features individuals who he describes as anti-trump. the state's party chair says trump's campaign is distorting the truth.
joining me now is congressman marsha black burn of tennessee. >> good morning. >> donald trump picks up 33 delegates from his win in your state. so, where's the claim of stealing delegates coming from? is there any truth to it? >> i think what leads to the convention and the misunderstandings is the lack of transparency. and as we go through this process, most people have not paid attention to how the delegates go in to the process or how the parties go in and then allocate these to delegates. all of a sudden individuals who have picked up papers, filed, gotten on the ballot assume because they had the right number of votes that they're going to go to the convention as a delegate for their candidate they find that they're not on that list, and that somebody else has been, as we say airdropped in to those places. someone who did not run. and that is what is causing a
lot of the misunderstanding and the confusion. and i think it's part of the dissatisfaction. people want more transparency to the process. >> this morning trump's campaign is also accusing party officials in other states like georgia of stealing his delegates. he won that state with 39% of the vote and politico is reporting that although trump will likely win in west virginia he might lose delegates in that state, as well. doesn't it bolster trumps claim that the rnc and individual party chairs are not responsive to the will of the voters, and are perhaps even targeting trump specifically to prevent him from winning the nomination? >> well i think what it points up is the fact that you've got trump, that appeals to the masses, and has the better retail politics game in place, and then cruz has the ground game in place to go back in and work with those state executive commitments where you are going to have those individuals voting on who will be the delegate
slate and thereby going into the convention. another thing to realize is in our party for the rnc for the rules committee and the platform committee, the delegates to those two committees come from the delegates that the states select to the convention. and that naming will, by and large, take place after the primary season has finished. >> let's talk about that point which our new nbc/marist poll asked voters specifically about which they think should happen if no one wins the majority of votes by the convention. 62% believe that the candidate with the most votes in primaries should actually win the nomination. >> right. >> 33% say that the candidate who delegates think would be the best nominee should get the nomination. "a," do you agree with that? "b," how concerned are you that this debate will cause a precedence for your party and will cause even more divisions than what we're actually seeing now? >> yeah, i think that most people do feel that whomever has the plurality, they should be the nominee.
and we have had millions of new voters come in to the republican party during this primary season. it is the responsibility of the party. this is an issue of trust and integrity. and the party at the national, the state, and the local levels we need to be building out a bigger tent and allowing people to come in, and welcoming them and allowing them to understand that process. and i think, as you're seeing, two-thirds of the people think, all right, settle this. whomever has the most votes, they should be the nominee because what people want to see is our republican convention focused on ideas. they're three big issues we hear about repeatedly. national security, job and economic security, retirement security. they're saying look, get rid of the personalities, and the bickering, and the back and forth, pick a nominee, pick a running mate, focus on the
issues, let's get this country on the right track. let's preserve our constitution. let's preserve our sovereignty. and that's what people want to see done. >> it is far from being settled. thank you very much congresswoman marsha blackburn. >> absolutely. good to be with you. and why do delegates matter to the candidates just as much as your vote? catch msnbc's jacob soboroff's one hour delegate hunter at 11:00 eastern on msnbc the place for politics. a new report in politico says the rules for the upcoming republican convention may be completely rewritten so why now? and what could that mean for donald trump? that's ahead. ♪ there it is... this is where i met your grandpa. right under this tree. ♪ (man) some things are worth holding onto. they're hugging the tree. (man) that's why we got a subaru. or was it that tree?
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sanders is easily double digits behind hillary clinton in the latest poll. what does he expect to get out of these rallies that are really large in numbers? >> ayman, good morning. this is part of the overall show of force for bernie sanders. leading up to this new york primary. those poll numbers have been really stubborn here. usually when sanders has gone in to a state and really spent a lot of time there, put his -- done a lot of local media, et cetera, his numbers have moved. you've seen the polls start to close and tighten. and that just really hasn't happened here in new york. to a certain extent his advisers are still trying to figure out why that is. they did have kind of a difficult week when they first got here and put these rallies off until late in the primary calendar. he had that big one in washington square park last week, he's going to have a prospect in queens tomorrow afternoon. the pictures are going to be pretty remarkable, you're going to see the excitement. the problem is, whether or not those people are actually going
to show up to vote in large numbers, there is concern about whether or not sat enders supporters were able to vote before the deadlines in new york. particularly the one if you needed to switch parties which was way back in the fall. but for sanders, now, he's also answering questions from hillary clinton. she's really kept the pressure on him here in new york. she really knows how to work this media market. the latest slap is over his tax returns. that sanders released one year at the late on friday night, something of a friday news dump, if you will, but here's what sanders had to say on cnn about what comes next on that. i don't have, to be honest with you, our tax returns showed me made less money in a given year than secretary clinton made in one speech. jane and i don't have a bunch of accountants working for us. we will get it out. i think we have all that information. >> by when, sir? >> which -- >> which will be very soon.
>> soon. of course that tax return that he did release showed they made $205,271 in 2014, about 4% of which they donated to charity. sanders has talked about how it was actually his wife jane who is in charge of their tax returns, and the main hurdle seems to be getting back to vermont to dig around in their filing cabinet to find them so that they can put them out ayman. >> nbc's kasie hunt live for us this morning. we'll be checking in with you throughout the course of the day. donald trump may have been in new york last night but he was looking to cleveland delivering a stern warning for the republican convention there. take a listen. >> the system is a bad, bad system. and they got to do something about it. the republican national committee, they better get going because i'll tell you what, you're going to have a rough july at that convention. you better get going and you better straighten out the system, because the people want their vote. the people want to vote.
and they want to be represented properly. >> all right let's bring in senior political reporter at politico. shane, good to have you with us. you're reporting that the rnc is going to meet next week to debate some proposed changes to the convention rules. certainly something donald trump's calling for. what's on the table here? >> i like to think of it, the rnc, summer convention could look more like your condo board association meeting. they're debating the fundamental rules of the convention. not just who can be nominated. but the process of debating those rules. and they've moved from the house of representatives rules, where the speaker rules in the house, what's known as roberts rules of order. this is a pretty arcane thing but it could be very significant for the campaigns. >> how much of that do you think is driven by the pressure donald trump is putting on the rnc? >> the proposals from a national committee man from oregon named solomon yew so it's not coming from the campaigns and none of the campaigns interestingly have taken a strong position on it,
whether they're for or against. but, the issue could change how the convention actually functions. >> if the new rules are put in place how will they shake up the race and will they give one candidate an edge over the others? >> it depends on who you ask. really interestingly the chairman of the rules committee, bruce ashe, ap reporter sent an e-mail to the rules committee over the weekend, and she basically said this is going to make it harder to bring in an outside candidate which would presumably benefit someone like ted cruz or donald trump who are already in the race. basically what it means is the body of delegates, 2500 republicans, under roberts rules of order basically the majority rules at any point they can do whatever they want. now, to some republican officials that sounds like chaos, right? this is already going to be an unprecedented process. but at least for the people who advocate this idea they say it would be transparent that the convention would be taking a public vote, and under the current system the chairman, who's expected to be paul ryan
the speaker of the house, he would have a lot of that authority. the chairman basically would run the proceedings, and people can object and whatnot but the chairman is very, very powerful under the house rules system, which is the current system, and the proposal would be to basically devolve this authority to the delegates themselves. >> all right. we're going to have to leave it at that. shane goldmacher, thank you very much. it has fuelled america's energy boom. up next how so-called fracking may be driving the vote in at least one part of new york straight. stay with us. >> we need to put an end to fracking, not only in new york and vermont, but all over this country. (laughing)
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candidates' positions on this specific subject affect the primary's outcome? msnbc has been talking to vote ners upstate new york. what are voters telling you about this specific issue of fracking and how important it is for them? >> they're telling me that fracking is a major political fault line in this region. i'm on the new york state side of the line. right here fracking is banned. only state in the union where that is the case. that mountain behind me is pennsylvania. fracking is legal there. that means thousands of dollars in the pockets of land owners and millions of dollars in the local economy. it's dividing residents. it's also dividing political candidates. bernie sanders and hillary clinton on opposite sides here. sanders would like to ban fracking nationwide. hillary clinton on the other hand has more of a middle position. she likes regulation but wants states to decide on their own. meanwhile all the republicans are against the issue. we're talking to voters about where they come down. this is teresa. >> hello. >> registered democrat. will you be voting for bernie sanders? >> definitely not. bernie sanders is one fracking
problem. okay? it's very hard here. we would like the opportunity, we would like the opportunity to develop our resources just like new york city has the opportunity to develop theirs. upstate new york we have not been given that opportunity. >> who will you vote for? >> oh, trump no doubt. >> you're hoping he -- you're going to cross over -- >> that's right. that's right. but i do support the gop candidate whoever he may be. because all of the candidates have a position for making the united states energy independent. okay? >> and betsy you're a registered republican. >> right. >> teresa is going to cross over from democrat to republican. are you going to go republican to democrat? >> no way. >> how come? >> about the gop is fracking and i'm for fracking because i live 150 feet from the border, and i can't do anything with my property, and except pay taxes to new york state. i'm definitely a cruz person. >> a cruz person? >> oh, yes. i don't like bullying. i do like ted cruz. >> all right thank you very much, ladies. i appreciate it.
i should mention they're actually trying to secede from new york state into pennsylvania because they're looking for a way to get in to that legal category so they can start fracking their land. >> tony can you ask those two voters how much they expect to make in terms of fracking in their own land? i mean why is it so important in terms of what they expect to benefit from it? our host in new york would like to know how much money you could expect to make if you were able to lease this land to a fracking company? >> oh, the last time anything was offered was about $2500 a year and we didn't take it because we didn't like the lease. >> $25 an acre. how many acres do you own? >> 60. >> i have 60. >> 60 times $2500. >> and she has 150. >> i have 150 yes. but that's not even it. i want to see the underenergy independent. all right? and bernie sanders wants to remove all fracking across the whole land. and that's why donald trump and
ted cruz and maybe even kasich, the republicans want energy independent. so it's not only i lose a lot of money but i'll gain a lot of money if they go for fracking and that's fine. but i'm thinking of the country. >> and if you get that money i suppose a republican candidate says they can give you fracking you'll make some pretty big campaign donations next time around. >> certainly will. >> all right, ayman back to you. >> thank you very much for that. hillary clinton is the target today of "new york times" columnist maureen dowd's piece. she questions clinton's ability to make her own decisions. clinton supporter joins us to talk about that next. stay with us.
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campaign. let's bryingen lanny davis. we're 48 hours from the new york primary. big day for both campaigns. three leading polls show the former secretary of state with strong leads over bernie sanders by double digits in most cases. it's hard to ignore the crowds that bernie sanders is drawing. his campaign said more than 20,000 people showed up at his washington square event. is the campaign, is the clinton campaign at all concerned about some of the turnouts? >> well, one of the reasons i'm on this morning is you use the number 20,000, and we hear those numbers about bernie sanders crowds all the time. but what you omitted or your background people didn't tell you is another number. since the campaign began, 38 primaries and caucuses. hillary clinton leads bernie sanders by 2.4 million voters. so 37,000 rally, we have heard 100 times on msnbc. hillary clinton leading by 2.4 million voters, much less 250
elected delegates, you rarely hear. so the broad crosssection of voters across the country from massachusetts to mississippi, ohio, industrial states, rural states. he is leading, let me repeat one more time because i can get it into the msnbc vocabulary. she's leading bernie sanders by more than 2.4 million voters. every time you hear bernie sanders talk about superdelegates going in the direction of the popular will, 2.4 million is the total after 38 contests that hillary clinton is leading bernie sanders. >> yeah, we certainly reflect that in all of our reporting, that she is leading. what i was trying to get -- >> 2.4 million. >> right, we do reflect that in all of our reporting. >> no, no, it's definitely been reported on the air. what we're asking is ahead of the primaries, is there a concern? and again, as we said in the introduction, she's leading by double digits.
do the rallies concern her? that's all the question was. if it's not -- >> the rallies show great enthusiasm. especially by young people for bernie sanders. and that's fantastic. for the democratic party and not only does it not concern. i'm here, just by the way, as a friend. i'm not speaking for the campaign. we hope those young people on the issues will see a big difference between hillary clinton and donald trump and ted cruz. and we're sure that bernie sanders will be on the platform endorsing hillary clinton if she is the nominee. i'm not assuming that yet. as hillary clinton would endorse bernie sanders. by far, over ted cruz and donald trump. >> and sir, let me ask you about former president bill clinton who has been an almost daily fixture on the campaign trail. he ruffled some feathers a couple weeks ago when he drowned out black lives matter protesters at a philadelphia rally. a report on msnbc.com found the campaign is forcing former secretary of state to distance herself a little bit from her husband's record.
bernie sanders is waging in effect a political war on '90s era policies, a tactic aimed at hitting hillary clinton, where it hurts. how difficult is it to manage a former president as a campaign surrogate? and does anyone on the campaign see him as a liability? >> i areally appreciate your reporting and there's no disrespect intended, but you used a subjective and debatable term, drowned out. i don't discount your perspective. i don't know who was drowning who out. he was trying to tell them the victims of crime in the '90s were mostly black kids, but he also said he regretted his own bill. his wife is being blamed for some of the bad aspects of the bill. she made a major speech on the bad kwauconsequences of the bil the 21st century. i think bill clinton makes a great contribution. he's still one of the best political people, the most popular person in the world at
the moment. in all of the polls. you would have to rank bill clinton as one of the top. so he's a devoted loyalist to his wife, so i think those reports are anonymous. you can't name me one person from the campaign that i know of that doesn't want bill clinton out there campaigning. >> let me ask you, finally, if secretary clinton secures the nomination, who do you think would be the toughest republican opponent she would go up against? >> i'm always unpopular when i answer that honestly. i always thought jeb bush would be the toughest to defeat. and still do. and the republican extreme wing is now captured by ted cruz, the most extremist and disliked person in the republican party in washington. and donald trump, who is really not a serious presidential candidate, can't address the issues, knows very little and can't be possibly a serious president of the united states, so those are the two people left, i'm amazed. >> lanny davis, thank you for joining us. appreciate your insights.
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