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♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ good morning, i'm joy reid at msnbc world headquarters in new york. today's headline in presidential politics comes courtesy of a new poll released just this morning. it shows in the democratic and republican races, the candidates polling highest in terms of popularity are not the candidates who are on top. senator bernie sanders and governor john kasich are the only two presidential candidates with net positive ratings among register voters. though no one in the poll manages to get to 50%. senator sanders is rated at 45% positive to tlish% negative.
compare that to front-runner hillary clinton who has a 56% negative rating and just 32% positive. clinton does fare better than donald trump, however. heats gets a thumbs down from 65% of those polled. senator ted cruz has rated negatively by 49% of registered voters while kasich is bobbing just above the waves at 31% up, 19% down, which also gives you an idea of how little known kasich still is. vox.com tracked which candidates have gotten the most negative and positive coverage. the new poll numbers come two days before the pivotal tuesday primary in the empire state where hillary clinton is leading bernie sanders 57% to 47%. most dems are making the most of the time they have with new york voters. bernie sanders will be rocking out with grizzly bear at a 4:00 p.m. rally. hillary clinton will be getting out the vote later this evening
at a rally on long island. meanwhile, in the republican race, the delegate fight is heating up. yesterday, donald trump continued his attacks on the gop delegate selection rules. making a play for new york's 95 republican delegates with a campaign stop in staten island just over an hour from now. and he'll wrap up his day later this afternoon with a rally in poughkeepsie. new york gop polls are forecasting a big win for trump here on tuesday. with the latest polls giving him a whopping 29-point lead over his closest competitor, the aforementioned john kasich. this weekend's big gop victory really does belong to ted cruz. the texas senator won in wyoming after collecting all 14 available delegates at the state's gop convention yesterday. he'll add those delegates to the nine he had already swept up in wyoming's county conventions to give him a grand total of 23. nbc's hallie jackson has been there following all the
convention this weekend and she joins me from casper, wyoming. coming off that big delegate sweep in colorado for ted cruz, does the wyoming result sort of validate his strategy, and did trump actually even bother to compete in wyoming? >> yes, let's take the first part of the question. this was not a surprising victory for ted cruz. the sense in the room at the state convention here over the weekend was that it was cruz's to lose, basically. there was a real indication he was going to sweep the 14 at-large delegates and ultimately, he did. does it validate his strategy? it's a sign of the campaign that they're moving in the right direction. you saw cruz himself react to this, saying this is how elections are won in america. thoughts what he said in a statement in an apparent shot at donald trump and the complaints you have been talking about from trump against the system which he calls rigged or corrupt. as for donald trump, did he compete here? not particularly. you talk tofolks out and about. trump picked up one delegate at the county conventions that will
end up in cleveland, but this is cruz territory. i spoke with senator barrasso who said hey, we in our state want to support whoever the best nominee is to beat hillary clinton in the fall. he also talked about how the rules are the rules, pointing out he's been doing these kinds of conventions since the '80s in wyomi wyoming. this is how the process works in this state. ted cruz was able to manage that and work that. he was the only candidate to come out and speak to the convention, and it looks like that paid off for him. >> hallie jackson, casper, wyoming. stay warm. thank you. yesterday at an event in syracuse, donald trump continued to rail against the gop's delegate selection process. >> the system is rigged. it's a bad system. it's a dirty system. and we're going to do something about it, and maybe that will take place the next time around, meaning in four years. but the system is a bad, bad system. and they gotta do something about it. the republican national committee, they better get going. because i'll tell you what, you're going to have a rough
july at that convention. >> nbc news campaign embed ali vitali has been covering the trump campaign. she's in staten island today. we hear these attacks on the campaign rules, veiled threats for chaos at the convention. how is that message playing with the voters in staten island? >> so joy, it's really nothing new that trump is railing against the rigged convention system. he doesn't like how he's been doing in delegates. every weekend seems to bring a new bad headline for him and a good headline for ted cruz as we see him mop up the delegates at the state conventions like the one hallie was talking about. as fars the way the trump voters see this, this does play into their world view to a certain extent. our poll shows that most people think whoever is winning the most amount of votes should be the nominee eventually, disregarding for the most part the 1237 magic number, and supporters see donald trump as their outsider candidate. that's why they like him. when they see he's being
disenfranchised by the party and he tells them they're also disenfranchised because they're not allowed to vote, they believe that and see it as something that is very much playing into the way they see the party going. i talk to people at rallies and ask them what about the process bothers them. they say they have always felt outside of. trump is making them feel energized to be involved and this is the first time for many of them they feel excited about the political process. the party and the way trump is painting the rnc gives them more of a reason to say this is why i haven't been involved to this point and that's why i want this candidate who is going to clean up this process. he even said on fox news the other day, maybe the reason i'm complaining is because i'm complaining for the voters. he feels, and the way he's branding it right now, is he's branding it to be on the part of the voter, the voice of the people. that's exactly what his voters like about him. >> thank you very much, ali vitali. i want to bring in my guest, abbey philip, for the
"washington post," and joining from austin, texas, ovick. i'm going to start with you. republican voters have been pretty definitive, very definitive on what they think should happen if trump does not get the nomination even though he's got the most votes going into the convention. let's look at a couple of the numbers from the poll. roppen voters on the process. 62% say the candidates with the most votes should be the nominee. only 33% say that it should be up to the delegates. and let's go to the next one, which is what do gop voters think should happen if donald trump is denied the nomination? 45% say it would be acceptable for him to run third party as an independent if he didn't get it. let's just go one more. this is on whether he loses the nomination. 54% say it's unacceptable if donald trump has the most delegates but doesn't get the nomination. if your view, can the republican party in any way afford to deny donald trump the nomination if he has the most delegates, even
if it's not 1237? >> well, they have a difficult choice, joy. but i would say the opposite, that they can't afford for trump to be the nominee, because if trump is the nominee, then republicans down ballot in senate and congressional races are going to get crushed. that's what the polling indication. they're basically hosed either way. what republicans should do if trump doesn't win on the first ballt, which looks likely, is if the second ballot goes to cruz, a lot of the voters will stay home. i think the republicans are in a very difficult place. they can't win either way. it's a heads, you win, tails i lose situation. >> the other thing floated by a lot of the d.c. press, and i'm sure you hear it swirling around washington, the idea of parachuting in a savior. paul ryan said he didn't want to be said savior. we did poll whether that would be acceptable to republican voters. 71% said a nominee who hasn't 1 in the primaries is unacceptable to the voters. does that translate into republican voters staying home or would they in the end support the republican because they're a
republican and not hillary clinton? >> i think this is the key unknown here. i don't think anybody really knows what is happening. i think the poll is absolutely right. republican voters are going to be really shocked to find some random person walking into a convention and taking the nomination. and that's one of the reasons why paul ryan said it's not going to be me. he doesn't want to be the person to do that. i think ted cruz is going to be seizing on this message increasingly. he's very weary of the white knight coming into the convention and taking this away from him. he's going to be making something of a pr case over the next few months that not only is that unacceptable, but in some ways it's against the rules, it's undemocratic. you know, republican voters are going to have not very many options going into november. >> yep. >> so their modes of protest are going to be fairly limited. and i think that there are some in the republican establishment who say that, who see that and say, you know what. it's worth the risk. >> avik, there is this
possibility that donald trump is floating out there of chaotic if not violent convention response if he doesn't get the nomination. ted cruz, on the other hand, is doing the things you have to do to win the nomination. he's going back to the caucus states, winning the state conventions. doing it the right way. why then doesn't the republican establishment want to coalesce behind him, get all of the antitrump energy to go behind ted cruz. he ism someone who ran, who won delegates and won states. why isn't he getting the consolidation? >> he's get smg of it. many people have come out in support of ted cruz, but there are a lot of people who aren't. maybe it's because of all the things he said about railing against the washington cartel. as time goes on and paul ryan's statement was helpful in this regard. as the so-called establishment or the donor class realizes they really don't have an alternative that is democratic viable to ted cruz, i think they will come around to him as the best option. >> let's move to the democrats.
if it's gotten crazy on the republican side with the chaos of trying to figure out who will be the nominee, it's gotten nasty in the democratic side. we're in that phase where even supporters of the candidates are being viciously vilified. one, george clooney, who threw a big fund-raiser for hillary clinton. some interesting things happened. let's go to our third video, bernie sanders supporters throwing dollar bills at the motorcade of hillary clinton as she was going to the george clooney fund-raiser. we're going to roll that video in a second. just the idea of that, and people went on twitter afterwards. you can see the video there. people throwing dollar bills as if in a strip club. this coming on the heels of a bernie sanders surrogate having to apologize for using the term democratic whores at the washington square park rally. that visual there, of throwing dollar bills at a woman as she's going by in her motorcade, has the democratic race gone over
the edge? >> it's really striking. i don't co what it is that has caused this. maybe it's because we're in new york, the media situation is intense. there's a tabloid culture, but i think it's also that sanders' supporters are coming to realize this process is going to come to an end. and that it's very difficult for him to have a path forward. many of them are very frustrated by that. i think many of them really strongly dislike secretary clinton on a personal level. i think that's actually what you're seeing in some of the george clooney fund-raisers. some of the people outside there. these are not necessarily democratic voters. they're people who support bernie sanders but would maybe never support secretary clinton. so she maybe has no opportunity to win these folks over. and they're going to be the hardest to kind of bring across the finish line, if she in fact wins the nomination. >> i think if we're bringing the image of harlotry into the campaign, aside from the fact this is a 60-plus-year-old woman, that imagery is really
striking from liberals. let's play a little built of george clooney who has become vilified by a lot of bernie sanders supporters for raising lots and lots of money for hillary clinton and down ballot democrats. let's listen to george clooney on "meet the press" talking about the fund-raiser hillary clinton was headed to. >> let me start with dinner, you co-hosted on friday night, a big fund-raiser. i know you have planned for later tonight. do you look at how much is being raised, and i think the co-host of the friday night dinner, $350,000 a couple to be a co-chair, do you look at it yourself and think that's an obscene amount of money? >> yes. i think it's an obscene amount of money. i think, we had protesters last night when we pulled up in san francisco. and they are right to protest. it's an abseen amount of money. the sanders campaign when they talk about it, is absolutely right. it's ridiculous we should have
this money in politics. >> that's interesting, the striking agreement between george clooney and protesters on it. then he went on to describe why it is he was raising that obscene amount of money, that he agreed was obscene. this is george clooney talking to chuck todd about what the purpose of the fund-raiser was. >> the clinton campaign has not been very good at explaining is this. and this is the truth. the overwhelming amount of money that we're raising, and it is a lot, but the overwhelming amount of the money that we're raising is not going to hillary to run for president. it's going to the down ticket. it's going to the congressmen and senators to try to take back congress. the reason that's important, and the reason it's important to me is because we need -- i'm a democrat, so if you're a republican, you're going to disagree, but we need to take the senate back. because we need to confirm a supreme court justice. because that fifth vote on the supreme court can overturn
citizens united and get this obscene, ridiculous amount of money out, so i never have to do a fund-raiser again. >> what do you make of the fact that on the sanders side of the ledger here, that argument is not compelling. there is this idea that raising money in even way, even for down ballot, is de facto evil. >> well, there's a lot going on here, first of all, i think the sanders supporters are very skeptical of the dnc and of the state parties who they believed from the very beginning have had the deck stacked against them and have tacitly been supporting secretary clinton. the arrangement george clooney just explained is unusual to happen in a primary. usually this is something you do in a general election because it's assuming on a -- to a certain extent this money is going to be shared in a general election with the nomthy. so i think sanders supporters are skeptical of that. they don't see the benefit of pouring money into a state party that they think is against them. but at the same time, the clinton campaign has been able, luckily for them, to use this
argument to justify these large sums of money. which, you know, as george clooney said, many people believe is obscene. $300,000 to co-host that event. and even though, as he said, the money is some of it going to state parties, actually, the vast majority of it is going to the clinton campaign. at least at this point. maybe later on, we'll see -- >> quickly, does this hearten republicans to see that essentially it looks like almost an unbreachable gap between the sanders and clinton voters that could benefit your party in the fall? >> well, it's the other way around. i think a lot of republicans are saying, the democratic nominee is going to be the least popular democratic nominee in a long time and republicans probably won't be able to take advantage of it. by the way, i think george clooney was doing these fund-raisers before citizens united came down. i'm not sure if it's overturned he's going to stop doing fund-raiser for the democratic party.
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spoke to the national action convention earlier this week. clinton and sanders trying to appeal to new york's black voters who account for 16% of the democratic primary voters in 2008. joining me now is the national action network's reverend al sharpton, and 25 years. congratulations on that. >> thank you for joining us. >> it was really great to be there. you had both of the democratic candidates speak to national action network. give us your assessment of how those speeches went over with nan. >> it's very interesting. mrs. clinton, who has been getting the majority of the black vote around the country, did draw a larger crowd. senator sanders, i think, brought a lot of people but not as many.
and got an enthusiastic response. but we really insisted they be specific. we wanted to know exactly what you were going to do in criminal justice. what kind of attorney general are you going to appoint? both of you supported the '94 crime bill. rather than argue about why you did what you did, what are you going do do to commute the sentences to deal with the ramifications of it? the same thing in economics. we understand, we said senator sanders, that you are talking about dealing with wall street, main street, but main street is not fair to blacks. how are you going to deal with that? i think it was very detailed in the presentations they gave. and i think it impressed a lot of our delegates. we had delegates from all over the country and they never heard them deal in depth in some of the sound bites you see on the news. i think that was important. >> there's been this big debate that's been going on about why senator sanders has not been able to do better with
african-americans. he hasn't gotten more than in the low 30s with african-americans everywhere. some said voters in the south are more conservative. what's your explanation or theory? >> i think, first of all, it's not just the south. in michigan, ohio, he didn't do but 25%, 30%. i think that part of it is that he's got to stop assuming that just dealing with wall street issues, which are very important issues, by the way, and dealing with the economic issues, which are very important, does not make many of us in the black community feel that you understand there's a racial difference even once you deal with economics. for example, if you bring down the big banks, will the small banks red line us and not give us business loans? i think he's getting to that. he addresses that. the other thing that's quite frankly talking about marching 50 years ago with dr. king. when you have, with mrs.
clinton, people that represent today's issues. trayvon martin's mother and the mother of eric garner, and the mother of amadou diallo and the fiance of sean bell, these are the people whose cases have generated the activism we're all involved with rights now. are traveling with mrs. clinton and supporting her. i think that a lot of that has to do with a lot of people saying, well, wait a minute, the reason i'm aroused is because of what happened to trayvon or eric garner, and the families trust that it gives the benefit of the doubt, even to those that doubt mrs. clinton. i think that mr. sanders, senator sanders, is beginning to understand that and break through. the question is whether he breaks through too late. >> and rev, you're on the radio five days a week talking with lots of african-americans. what do people that you talk to on a day to day basis through national action network, that your youth committees are talking to, what do they want still from the candidates? >> they want to know
specifically what you're going to do in the areas of business, in the areas of jobs, jobs is very important. and the criminal justice matter. but they also not only want to know specifics because they want to see what you commit. many of them, including me, don't feel you're going to do everything you commit anyway, but by your commitments, it tells us if you understand the lives that we live and the challenges we face. because if i have got to tell you we'll break it down in terms of the racial side, i'm also saying to myself, you really don't understand race in america. i think that is what i'm hearing more than anything else, is you can't solve what you don't know is a problem. >> yeah. >> by you talking about your solution tells us whether you understand what the problem is. >> are you going to endorse before the tuesday primary? >> we just got out of the convention. i certainly wasn't going to endorse before the convention. we're doing some debriefing. i really don't know. i'm more concerned with keeping
everybody's feet to the fire, which is what we did at the convention this weekend. >> indeed. 25 years in the national action network, congratulations on that. thank you so much for taking some time. >> thank you, joy. >> so much more coming up next. the call just came in. she's about to arrive. and with her, a flood of potential patients. a deluge of digital records. x-rays, mris. all on account...of penelope. but with the help of at&t, and a network that scales up and down
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♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ right now, thousands of activists from around the country are converging on the nation's capitol to send a message to congress about the need for democratic reform. it's called democracy ewalkening and it comes on the heels of the separate but related democracy spring march from philadelphia that culminated with five days of sit-ins at the u.s. capitol last week.
they're spending three days protesting in d.c. for voting rights against big money in litics and calling on congress to fill the vacant seat on the supreme court. i'm joined by a group of veteran activists from washington, north carolina naacp reverend william ba barbour, mark thompson, and civil rights activist tamika malory. mark, you'll be a part of democracy awakening, a disparate group of sort of ideas that everyone is coalescing around. how did it come together and what do you expect to come out of it? >> first of all, thank you for having me. i really think that this is a continuation to a large extent of the issues that were raised during occupy wall street. people are concerned about the power big money has in our politics and in our society. but add to that some of the relevant issues we know reverend barbour and others have been working hard on, the voting rights act, once the supreme court struck down section iv,
that hobbled the voting rights act that would have done much to prevent a lot of the ongoing voter suppression we're seeing. and lastly, this protest takes on the issue of the obstructionism of congress. this is the interposition and nullification that dr. king was talking about in 1963 in washington, d.c., in the march on washington. the nullification we see in this case being implemented against the president's supreme court nomination. we're all gathering tomorrow, really over the weekend and tomorrow, to say enough is enough. >> and reverend william barbour, you heard mark talk about interposition and nullification, and that of course, often did refer in the 1950s and '60s to states not enforcing civil roish laws. there's a law that has been vilified around the country for the discrimination that it metes
out against transgender people. you have talked a lot about the bigger picture on the bill, meaning it also doesn't allow north carolina cities to impose or to raise their minimum wage. governor mccrory was on "meet the press" this morning and he responded to that specific aspect of the law. take a listen. >> this law went further that that. it wiped awa the city of charlotte's ability to govern. they can't even have their own minimum wage. why did you sign that? you're a former mayor of charlotte. could you accept all these limitations that big state government has put on city and local control? >> we didn't impose new regulations on businesses. i don't think the government ought to be the hr director for any business, whether it be in charlotte or greensboro or north carolina. and this is that fine line between how much does government tell the private sector in a regulatory way what to do. >> reverend, what's your response? >> reality is, what we're seeing in north carolina is a result both of the nullification we see
in congress by not passing and fixing the voting rights act. you get this extremist kind of government leadership being elected because of that. and they pass these kinds of bills. this bill, hb2, we call it hate bill 2, is homophobic, race based, class based. it says a city can not require a contractor to raise the minimum wage to pay sick leave, to pay vacation leave, or even to have minority set asides. it also disallowed citizens from north carolina from filing discrimination cases in state court. this is anti-family, anti-children, anti-workers. it's anti-civil rights. but what they did was, they took the transgender piece, it's politics from 1984 where you take the gay issue and race issues and mix them together into this poisonous brew to create distractions. in the midst of it, what you're
doing is going after worker, after children, after families and after the fundamental right of equal protection under the law. that's why we're having this awakening. the awakening is naacp fighting, black lives matters, women, lgbt activists understanding when you in fact have a congress that for 1,027 days has refused to fix the voting rights act, that's 1,027 days more than strom thurmond full filibustered. we have a problem in america. when you reduce the ability to vote, you open it up to the policies we see in north carolina. >> you see this connection that we have protests in d.c. that are centered around economic justice, voting rights, the supreme court. then moral mondays taking place every monday in north carolina over some of these regressive
laws. tie it all together for us. because you do see this happening and proliferated around the country. is this a unified movement or are these disparate atoms out there in the ecosystem? >> what you have is a lot of different people doing a lot of different things and a lot of great work happening. you have to have those who are agitating. there are some people quite frankly who are part of the movement who don't believe in policy reform. they don't believe in voting. they don't believe in any of that. they think that the system is completely dismantled. the system is broken and it needs to be completely broke down in order for it to work. for us. but then you have people who do work within the system. you have the inside and outside game and strategy. so you need all of those different elements working together in order to make up what we believe is the movement against all of these things that are sort of oppressing us. i think if you look at the coalition of people who are working together for the democracy awakening, you see there are all types of argizations that come from different aspects and
intersectionality is real and necessary. those people who look at groups on the ground who say we're not voting for anyone, they say we have to cast them out. actually, they have a voice. they have a voice at the table because they're looking at the election process and see that our votes are moving all around, based upon electoral politics and based upon superdelegates and all these different things that you're hearing now. and people feel that they are disenfranchised. so all of these voices have to come to the table. do i believe we have to pull them to our side and make sure they know your vote counts? your voice counts, and you have to be a part of the process? yes, but you can't cast out any part of the movement. everyone's voice is necessary. >> what you just said really put an alarm into my head about people who are saying, well, the process is so broken, i'm not even going to participate. i'm going to go to rev for one last note on that. north carolina is going to be potentially a swing state coming up in november. you've got pivotal state-wide elections in november. are you concerned that the energy that we're seeing around the movements will not translate
into any action at the polls, even though there's so much energy behind it? >> absolutely not. i think that what -- there is an awakening, a moral awakening. an awakening that people are saying if they're fighting this hard to deny right to vote, we must be in a powerful place. we have an opportunity over the next few years to transform this nation by transforming the south. you have to remember, what they're really after is the solid south is now possible to be broken. we have more in the demographics are shifting. we have 135 house members in the south. we have 26 senate seats. we have this possibility, however, of breaking this open. so more and more, i talk to activists, whether they're young or old. they're saying, as my center said, we have to fight on the air, on the ground, and everywhere. we have to challenge the system. we have to connect with each other. it's not about any one group. it's about all of us coming together in this awakening that
is our time. we can't stand back. we have to stand together. and i believe all of this energy is going to push even into the poll, is what we're seeing in north carolina. it's not going to end at the poll. it's not that the polls are the end. we have to engage this democracy fully, and we can never, ever back up from it. we need a movement and not just a moment. and that's what's happening in this country. >> i'm going to take it, you're nodding your head in agreement. >> i agree. >> tamika, reverend william barb our, mark will be back later in the program. >> up next, the iconic jackie robinson gets the ken burns treatment. don't go anywhere. (laughing) there's nothing like making their day.
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then you can start talking back to umps. then you start dealing with writers on your terms instead of their terms. then you start fighting to make sure the hotels are integrated. and over time, jackie robinson has pushed us forward. for him, there was no satisfaction with simply being allowed to enter the room. >> before desegregated schools, before the voting rights act of 1965, on april 15th, 1947, jackie robinson steps on ebts field and broke baseball's color barrier by becomes the first african-american to play in the major leagues in the modern era. it was a towering moment that not only changed sports but also the country. there were slurs, threats, and abuse. but there were also victories. the right-handed hitter became rookie of the year. later, national league mvp. a dynamo on the base pads with 37 steals in one season alone. at a time when big league players weren't always so fastz.
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phillip, mark thompson, and perry bacon jr., nbc news senior political reporter fresh from "meet the press." perry bacon jr., what are you expecting to hear this week? >> i criticized donald trump for some of his policy stands and the comments he's made, but i think this week he made a pretty good arguments along the lines of we keep having primaries and caucuses. they're supposed to serve some purpose. if the person with the most delegates and winners of states,
shouldn't that person get the nomination? trump has really argued that hard this week. we have a new nbc news poll that shows 62% of republicans think whoever wins the most delegates during the voting process should be the nominee versus 33% who think that the convention should pick the nominee. i think you'll see more polls and more results and more voters speaking out in the next few weeks saying, hey, we had these primaries for a reason. even if i don't love donald trump, doesn't he deserve to be the nominee? i think you'll start to see that argument more and more, not just for donald trump but other people as well. so speaking up for the democratic process more than just donald trump. >> are you arguing for all that we have heard about a contested convention, you might have donald trump get the most votes and get the nomination? >> it doesn't sound like that's going to happen based on what you're hearing from reince priebus and mitch mcconnell and others. the line drawn is trump gets 1237 or trump goes home. i'm suggesting that could change if the public suggests and these
polls keep coming out. i think you're going to see more people cpolling this question ad raising the point, can the republican party take the nomination from the people who keeps winning the primaries. >> let's go to mark thompson. what are you expecting as the headlines this week? >> i think what is brewing is really a similar situation on the democratic side. while we have accepted that republicans will want to have an open and debated convention. i think the democrats probably will have an open-ish convention, even after new york. it looks likely hillary clinton will win. but bernie sanders is keeping it pretty close. the argument that his supporters are making, that if neither of them gets to 2383 by the convention, it goes to the superdelegates. there's very serious questions many have in the party now as to whether or not the superdelegates should be the ones making the decision. we're hearing just overnight what happened out in california. people raising concerns about
big money in politics. that's one of the reasons people are demonstrating here in washington, and i'm joining them. so it's also very interesting. she will have the most votes, obviously. but still, there are going to be some questions raised in terms of the delegate process. she may still very well get the nomination, but it's going to be rancorous. >> could there be an argument that the person with the most votes and delegates should be overridden by the superdelegates. isn't that counter' factual for the sanders side? >> it's an argument that they're going to have to make. it's a difficult argument to make. but i think this is probably the last election cycle where we'll see big money coming in in the way that it is. and maybe the very last one where the superdelegates have as much power as they said in the past or maybe the last one where the superdelegates even exist at all. >> that's interesting, because
republicans probably wish they had superdelegates now. without superdelegates, the outcome would be the same. hillary clinton would still be ahead, but that's an interesting argument. what do you expect the big headline to be? >> if bernie sanders doesn't win the new york primary, i think we'll see more clamoring from democrats for him to stop attacking hillary clinton. one of the reasons for that. if you look at her favorability numbers, they are not very good. democrats across the board, if you go to the state level, they're prettyptimistic about what they're seeing in november, but not aument mystic about the fact that hillary clinton has slightly lopsided favorability ratings. she's not as unpopular as donald trump but she's not hugely popular either. many of them view bernie sanders attacks on wall street, the speeches, you know, the money in politics as feeding into a republican narrative. i think we're going to be hearing more about that. and you know, the superdelegate question only works for bernie if he starts winning. big states where lots of people
are voting, where he can overtake her in terms of not just the pledged delegate count but the popular vote as well. that hasn't happened yet. i think that's why the argument is harder for him to make. >> i wonder if democrats you're talking to would be compelled by an argument because bernie sanders obviously has the enthusiasm, the young voters in particular, but he's only winning in states that are less demographically diverse, that are mainly caucuses, which are less democratic, small "d" democratic, would that be com l compelling to superdelegates to say because we have the youth momentum, disregard all those numbers and disregard that demographic lack of diversity and still make him the nominee? >> it's not been compelling at all. the caucuses being smaller and the states that he has won being less diverse, but also, as we talked about earlier in the show, bernie sanders has not supported the party. these are party activists. that's why many of them are sticking with hillary clinton. >> we have now gotten our preview.
the very simple headline, the simple explanation is the best. you're probably going to see the headline, hillary clinton and donald trump win new york. if that doesn't happen, the race goes into complete tumult. a lot would change. thank you very much. that's our show for today. thanks for watching. coming up next, a special hour with msnbc's delegate hunter, jacob soboroff, reporting live from brooklyn. stay with msnbc, the place for politics. allergies distracting you? when your symptoms start...
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