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people. you're basically saying, delegate, listen, we'll send you to mar-a-lago on a boeing 757, you'll use the spa and this and that and we want your vote. that's a corrupt system. >> it's all rigged. it's a rigged deal. you know, you look at colorado and i watched the rnc, he's a nice guy, reince, he's a nice guy, but he said, well, we haven't changed -- well, i went in june, in august, they changed. and the reason they changed is because they saw i was going to win colorado. the way we do it is we give it to the bosses. so colorado, their vote was taken away. wyoming, their vote was taken away. >> if donald trump, if he was winning the majority of votes, he would likely have the majority of delegates, but that's not actually what's happening. he's winning a plurality of votes and he has a plurality of delegates and under the rules and under the concept of this country, a majority rules on everything.
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>> okay, good morning, everybody. >> how's it going? how was everybody's weekend? a nice weekend, right? >> beautiful, right? >> so beautiful. >> what a great weekend. >> it was all right. >> no, really. >> no, it was good. your show was good. she's just exhausted from watching -- >> no, you know what the problem is? not just -- anyone here have daughters? oh, you're all too young. you think you have everything down until your daughters become teenagers and this face is because i have a teenage daughter. good morning -- >> enough said. >> this face is because i had three arby's soup. it's the same thing. you don't see the pain etched on my face so much. >> so your show, did it feel good or make you nervous? were you nervous? >> a little bit of that, right? i have to say, inspired by our experience together for although
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ten years, trying to bring a little bit of "morning joe" to the mornings, some news in a conversational way. thank you for the inspiration. >> were you nervous? >> not nervous, but anytime you do something for the first time, there was a little uncertain about it. >> and everyone was talking about it. number one trending topic on twitter all day. >> he's perfect. >> that's why, this trip around the cave. >> it always works. >> it's sunday morning, and i was like, i wouldn't do this, but who am i to judge. it may be the top trernder. >> you did it with class. >> willie knows his audience. >> we never directly referenced you. >> we get you back more and you get this great show. everybody wins. it's such a good move. monday, april 18th, "something to smile about," willie geist. with us on set, former communications director for george w. bush, nicole wallace. >> popping popcorn. and i'm watching reince priebus
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this weekend. i know reince, i like him. but i wanted to tell him, buddy, just stop. just back away. you're like the rnc chair. he has exactly you where he wants you. you're looking defensive. have an associate come on. have a past rnc chair come on. have haley barbour come on going, well, you know, politics. it's just much about nothing you know, trump, he's just trump, he's just -- just ignore trump. >> i don't think haley wants to say that about trump. >> but i'm just saying, the guy in charge of the rnc, you don't go on there and look offensive. and this is donald trump, making turn, guess what? last week he wasn't on, he put his people on. this week he wasn't on and it was other people on being defensive. but reince doesn't need to do that anymore. >> reince saying he's not going to take donald trump personally, he should. because it's personal. he is making this case, and i
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think, you know, sort of, while we were sleeping, he might have won this case. i think ted cruz keeps winning at these state conventions, but we're not nominating a prom queen or king of any state convention and we're nominating a president. and people feel this delegate ros that cruz keeps winning is not how they feel that we elect presidents. so i think trump is now riding this into a second week. this has his second week, this is his daily message. this is the most discipline he's been on any message. >> and did you see the numbers? have exploded. he's been over 50, but i think he's at 50 in the national polls in california, he's like 49 in california and it's the best thing that could have happened to him was taking that colorado loss where nobody voted and using it for two weeks. >> and he got another one this weekend. he got wiped out in wyoming. now he's got a frame to hang around these staggering losses. so cruz doesn't really look like he's -- >> it's rigged.
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>> also with us, managing editor of bloomberg politics, cohost of "with all due respect," that airs at 6:00 eastern on msnbc, john heilemann and in nashville, tennessee, pulitzer prize-winning historian, jon meacham. >> he cried all weekend, but for a different reason. >> yeah. well, that's what he does. >> he's very sensitive. you know, who would have ever imagined the crimean war would have gone that way. >> it's the whole shades rebellion thing. you never got over it. >> i thought willie's best moment of the new severide of sunday morning was the look of the war of 1812. >> that was for you. >> yeah, thanks, nerd joke. polling in the three biggest states left on the republican primary calendar show donald trump at or near a majority in each. in new york, the cbs yougov. poll shows trump paused to win with 54%. ted cruz back at 21%.
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john kasich at 19. in pennsylvania, trump is ahead by 20 points. 46% to cruz's 26%. and in california, trump is up by 18 points over cruz, 49% to 31. >> so, john heilemann. >> yeah? >> looks like a big, big surge. certainly, he was always ahead in new york, even coming out of wisconsin. but california and pennsylvania, he seems to be solidifying his gains. >> he does, and i think for the reasons you guys just said, you know, it's, you know, this particular moment where he left wisconsin in the worst position he's been in throughout the entire race. >> right. >> and how he managed to make this turn, if he ends up being the republican nominee, we'll look at this as the moment where he displayed the most political of any of the campaign. most of him, he's got stronger
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by sucking energy out of the attacks. this has not been a visceral thing. this has been a smart thing. this has been kind of the, like, okay, i'm in trouble, i have new york coming up, let's see what's going on out here and how i can jiu-jitsu something that's essentially a negative for me, which is to say i'm losing delegates in all these states and turn it into a message, as nicole said, that he's been more consistently on and that is more obviously on brand than anything else he's done. it's just the sophistication of this. he's not been particularly sophisticated throughout this campaign. this is a moment he's displaying strategic and technical deftness. >> but also has a level of sophistication to it, but totally connects with everybody, with the voters. >> the sophistication of it, and you look at the people that he's putting around him, he's starting to move professionals in around him and he's doing this -- i think, tactically, the most sophisticated part of it is, they're making all of these changes. >> right.
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>> where they know they've got two weeks that are going to lead up to his home field advantage win. where he's going to get over 50%. so they have used these two weeks, which started as the low point of his campaign. the only time that we said, it's the low point of his campaign, this is miserable, and he had to make the change and it appears he has made the change. and he's doing all of this and bringing in all of the professionals, leading up to a known win. which is the safest, best time to turn on a dime. >> so you can really roll it all together. despite his big lead in the polls, donald trump again lost in this week's delegate battles. ted cruz scored wins in contests in south carolina, kansas, virginia, and florida. votes that could be key in the convention goes to multiple blot ballots. the same story in georgia, where after another defeat, trump supporters marched out taking american flag with them.
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trump's national director told "the atlanta journal-constitution," quote, we are investigating concerns of delegate suppression in a few district conventions. in wyoming this weekend, cruz won an additional 14 first-ballot votes after making a personal appeal to the state gop convention. and attacking donald trump, who was campaigning in the northeast. >> donald trump has been supporting liberal democratic politicians for 40 years. i have no experience with that. >> anywhere you have a situation where we're voting, that's where i do well. where the bosses are -- i can do better with the bosses than anybody, believe me. i deal with bosses. i've dealt with the bosses all my life. i've done very well politically. i just don't want to. i could have gone out to colorado. i'm sure i could have met the head guy. i'm sure i could have wined and dined him and taken him to mar-a-lago, put him on personal planes and sent him all over the place. which is legal, but that's not democracy. you're allowed essentially to pay off these people. they go out and they're wining
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and dining and you have no idea what's going on with those delegates. it's a crooked process, folks. it's a dishonest process. that has nothing to do with democracy. the fact that you're taking all these people out and wining and dining them, nobody does that stuff better than me. i just don't want to do it. i just don't want to do it. and now you have wyoming that just came out. not a lot of delegates, but it would be easy. i'll go and fly to wyoming, meet the chairman, i guarantee you within ten minutes he's my best friend. he'd drop a guy like cruz in about two seconds, okay? but i just don't want to do it. because it's not the right thing to do. we have a bad system and the system has to change. has to change. >> so, willie, you've got ted cruz winning these delegate battles in conventions, where people don't vote, in wyoming, and in colorado and states like that. and trump ahead in new york and pennsylvania and california, approaching 50%.
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i don't fault ted cruz, it's the only thing he can do. but at this point, it looks like, you know, they're running around and picking lint up off of trump's jacket. >> ted cruz is definitely out-hustling donald trump on the delegates, but i've been amazed to listen to the broad spectrum of people who agree with trump on this, including democrats who are otherwise repulsed by him, who say, wait a minute, you win the most votes but don't get the most delegates, or there are uneven votes and the delegates come away deciding who wins that state. there's a primary in west virginia coming up on may the 10th, where donald trump will win by a landslide, but he may lose the delegate count, because there are these arcane rules that have to do with the alphabet. politico has a big piece about it up today. and that's the kind of thing people look at. and i think it's the first time we've had this big a discussion about it on such a big stage. and they say, again, that's not democracy. how about the guy who gets the most votes wins. >> the process is rigged. it's unbelievable. >> but it's forcing us to have all these really -- everything
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about trump's candidacy is forcing us as republicans to have comfortable conversations. i think the surge of sanders and trumps is forcing political insiders of the these difficult conversations. and i think this is so central to trump's message, because he's ripping the curtains down. he is yanking them down and showing just how -- i hate to keep using the word "rigged," but how easily manipulated -- >> but it seems, jon meacham, it seems rigged. it feels rigged. i've had people say, well, joe, it's like these political parties are like country clubs, okay? they're not democracies. they can do whatever they want. and they literally are telling me that, as if that's their defense. and all i'm thinking is, that's exactly why they're about to be torn to the ground. this 150-year duopoly you've been talking about for some time between democrats and republicans, it just may be coming to an end, and this exposu exposure of this ugly, undemocratic process on both sides, with super delegates and
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now this, may be one of the reasons why they do come tumbling down. >> yeah, they're oligarchies, basically. and they don't make a great deal of ideological sense. it seems to me that one of the missed opportunities of this cycle, which, of course, has been so calm and unnotable, is if, if bloomberg, if mike bloomberg had, in fact, run, you would have had this interesting case where, would fiscally conservative and socially moderate voters in both the democratic and republican parties, would they have moved to a third party? and you would have made the republican and democratic parties more purely ideological on both sides. one of the great questions of the thing. the other interesting thing to me about the past couple of days is what trump has done seems to me is moved from historically the crudest kind of populism, blaming the other. you know, it's immigrants, it's muslims. they're the ones -- it's trade deals. they're the ones other people
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are taking things from you. and he has made it a very sophisticated kind of populism now. which is, in fact, the very visible party structure is taking away the decision, what appears to be the decision of the ballot box. it's an interesting pivot. >> so i can't even imagine if you are not a trump supporter, if you don't kind of understand the concept here at play. this all comes as a new nbc news "wall street journal" poll finds that more than six in ten republican voters believe the candidate with the most votes and delegates at the end of the primary should be the nominee if no one has a majority. the poll found that 33% of voters think the delegates themselves should pick the party's standard-bearer. but only 20% would find it acceptable if that person did not run in the primaries. 71% called that unacceptable. >> and just looking at the numbers before we go to the trump sound bite, flip back to the other numbers here. the republican party, the
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republican establishment, everybody that's gotten trump wrong, the right-wing republican press, the moderate right republican press that have gotten it all wrong, all along, what a surprise. they're wrong again, nicole. this party is not going to stand for them picking ted cruz if he's, you know, if donald trump's within 100 of winning the nomination. there is going to be a political brawl, not physical, on the floor. and the republican establishment will lose. >> peggy noonan wrote a couple months ago, you can go get a new establishment, you can't get a new base. and that 63% of our voters who think that if it goes to someone other than the person with the most delegates who looks like it will be donald trump, they would, you know, break with the party and that's a -- you don't recover from that. you can certainly recover from a nominee that some of the establishment isn't comfortable with. you can't recover from using faith or breaking faith with 63%
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of the base of your party. >> you can't lose two-thirds, willie. two-thirds of the party, and go on and do anything that slaughtered. maybe they don't care if they get slaughtered if trump's at the top of the ticket. but kelly ayotte cares and ron johnson could share and paul ryan should care and mitch mcconnell should care, because if they do that, democrats are going to take over. republicans are one office holder away from having the most dominant hold on american politics -- i can't -- maybe since the early 1920s. they own 60% of the governorships, own 60% of the state legislators. they own the house. more people in the house since '28. they own the senate. they've got a lot to lose by pissing off their base. it's just political reality. >> and maybe one bad presidential candidate away from it all falling apart. on the other side of it, the other number you had up, the second number, which is, would
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it be acceptable for the white knight candidate to ride into the convention. they don't want that. only 20% of the voters are saying the paul ryan thing that the media is so into, the voters are saying, no, no, no. one of the guys who's there right now. >> so over the weekend, trump had a warning for the party. >> the system a bad, bad system and they got to do something about it. the republican national committee, they better get going. because i'll tell you what, you're going to have a rough july at that convention. >> it's not common, but a few states out west use a convention system, where delegates start competing at the county level a month ago, and they go through the county, the precinct, the congressional district and a state convention, and the candidates participate the who will way through. and no one was complaining, except for when it was all over. there's no room for threatening the delegates or the convention or anybody that would be going to our national convention.
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but i also think some of this is rhetoric and hyperbole. and the truth is that the delegates themselves are the ones that right the rules for the convention. the rnc doesn't write any rules. >> so is the system fair? >> it could be more fair. on the republican side, i mean, there are a lot of these states, you know, one person, one vote. the man and woman that wins the election should get the most delegates. it's the same thing we were saying on the democratic side, and these states where bernie sanders outperforms hillary clinton and hillary clinton gets more delegates. the system is rigged. it's what we started saying early last week and now, you know, got a lot of orr people that are saying it, too. and they should. >> so if you were in reince's position, how would you explain this? because it almost seems like he's being very defensive about a system that's not fair. >> i would be on the phone with donald and i would say, hey, listen, i understand what you're going. it's a smart political move. these have been the rules for a very long time, let's work
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together. and if donald trump goes out and he hammers, i go in with a small on my face. it's politics. >> kasich said exactly what you just said. >> he knows the rules and i don't fault it. it's a great political line. oh, no, i'm a billionaire from manhattan and i'm going to win the nomination, oh, no, the system's rigged. i would say, it's a brilliant political move, and i don't take it personally. you said kasich has been -- >> i think inside the kasich campaign, they're very frustrated that cruz has become an acceptable trump alternative. >> i've never understood that. >> and i think on policy, that would be the fire lane to keep graham and others to ever gravitating towards cruz. kasich has not changed anything about himself because of trump. but this cruz speed bump has thrown them for a bit of a loop. i don't think they expected any of the republican establishment
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to flock to cruz. >> still ahead on "morning joe," we have to talk about the democrats. sanders down ten points in the latest new york poll. and yet 28,000 people went to his rally in brooklyn yesterday. 28,000. another situation where the numbers don't match the system. i don't understand. it's amazing, though, that crowd he draws. >> i saw a poll -- >> i don't know candidate who can do that, except maybe donald trump. maybe. i don't though. 28,000. >> in brooklyn. that's pretty amazing. >> bernie sanders. so i saw a poll last night that showed john heilemann, like four points, that race, four points. that seems a little closer than what i heard. >> this race. >> yeah, the hillary/bernie race. what are the inside polls showing? >> i think most -- both campaigns think she's going to win. the question is just what the -- exactly how big the margin is. i think the clinton campaign has thought she would win for a little while now in the high single digits. and i think the sanders'
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campaign thinks it's got to get a little closer to that. although you note, he's going to pennsylvania tomorrow night. >> yeah, i mean -- anyhow, that was supposed to be a tease pap we'll talk more about that coming up. but first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> everyone east of the mississippi has a great day today, it was a great weekend. but our problems are in texas. down around the houston area, they're telling people to stay at home. don't try to head out right now. a lot of schools being canceled. some areas have picked up 16 inches of rain overnight. they're calling this an historic flood. a 1 in 500-year event. many of the creeks are rapidly rising, roads are underwater, and there are fire departments in the area in boats trying to rescue people in their homes in the rising water. here's houston. it was outside houston overnight and now outside of the city. one rain gauge reported 16 inches of rain, just since last night.
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when he was a kid, growing up in flatbush, our parents would take us to prospect park. they still have the seals and the elephants. all right. but i was never here speaking to 20,000 people, so thank you all very much for being here. >> 26 past the hour. a new polling on the democrat side shows hillary clinton hanging on to her double digit
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lead here in new york, ahead of tomorrow's primary. a cbs news/yougov. poll has clinton ahead of bernie sanders by ten points, 53 to 43. but the latest numbers came on a day in which sanders addressed the biggest crowd of his entire campaign. look at these people. nbc news confirmed the senator drew over 28,000 people to brooklyn's prospect park yesterday. that breaks the campaign's previous record of 28,000 flat in portland -- or last summer in oregon. and sanders went after clinton on everything from her super pac money to libya to her speech transcripts. >> here is a simple truth, which everybody understands whether you're progressive or conservative. and that is, you cannot have a super pac raise many millions of dollars from wall street or special interests and then tell
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the american people with a straight face that you're going to stand up to the big money interests. not true. we're going to win this thing without being dependent on wall street or the big money interests. secretary clinton has chosen to raise her money a different way. >> yeah, 28,000 people out there. half of them, actually, really thought they were out there for frisbee golf. >> that's just not true. that's not true. >> it's america's game. >> certainly brooklyn's game. hackeysack. >> incredible crowd. hillary clinton's campaign response to that is congratulations on your big crowds. he's inspired a lot of people. >> but how does she grab that inspiration, you know? >> how does he grab the
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inspiration? >> she. >> oh, yeah -- >> because, this, look, she's got new york. let's all put that, but she couldn't get this crowd. >> there is a poll out -- she also got 2.5 million more votes than him so far. >> total winning. >> to she's not just ahead in the delegate count, she's ahead in the popular vote for the totality of the race at this point. so when they say that she has the vote advantage, they don't mean just in terms of the polls in new york, they mean, overall, throughout the race. >> correct. >> and we'll see how this week, how tuesday goes, but jon meacham, numbers like that are 28,000 people. this far into a campaign, sometimes you have candidates get in early in a campaign, but for him to just keep building up like this, it's pretty incredible. >> you know, it suggests there's a deep yearning for his message,
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for an authentic message, if you are, uncalculated. you look at those numbers and you understand bill clinton's frustration, which has been so evident the past seven days or so. and so, it seems to me that any, you know, account of this campaign has to take into account that, into significance, the fact that there are so many people coming out to see a guy pretty far on the right-wing side, trump. and far on the left-wing side, sanders. this is a lot like 1948. there's clearly a lot of ideological, philosophical yearning and unease that whoever the nominees are, and it seems pretty clear, are going to have to harness. >> so it's the middle of april and the new nbc/"wall street journal" poll already finds this year's crop of candidates historically unpopular. republican john kasich, the least-known candidate, has the highest net favorable rating.
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democratic candidate bernie sanders also in the positive territory. the rest of the field, it's rough. senator ted cruz has a negative 23-point favorability rating. hillary clinton has fallen to negative 24. her lowest rating sin the poll began tracking her in january of 2001. and donald trump is by far the worst-rated candidate, with an unfavorable rating of 65%. >> so you look -- look at those numbers, and if it does end up being clinton and trump -- >> my god, no one's going to vote. it's going to go from the highest voter turnout in the primary -- >> disapproval, though -- >> who are they going to vote for, ted cruz? >> disapproval, 56% to 55%. that's staggering. and that means anything is possible, mika. >> i guess. i mean, could -- what do you mean by that? could we see a candidate beyond
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them? >> what i mean by that is for democrats and clinton supporters to go, oh, my gosh, donald trump is going to be easy to run against, because his disapprovals are at 65%. hold the mirror up. yours are like in the mid-50s. hillary clinton has been in politics for 40 years, donald trump has been in politics for 9 months. i suspect if he continues acting that way and rides that discipline through the convention into the fall, his numbers are going to fall. his disapproval numbers are going to fall. and like i said, all i'm saying is anything is possible. demographics favor her. all the demographics favor her. but we were told at the beginning of the republican process, he can never win, because his disapproval ratings among republicans are in the high 60s. republicans would say they would never vote for him, ever, ever, ever. or in the 40s or 50s or 60s.
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now he's going to win the nomination. >> i also think she's learned from sort of the dead bodies in the republican primary, i think she's taking him more seriously than our establishment president did. >> i think she should. i don't know how, but i think bernie sanders is causing more of a problem for her than we can really put words to. >> sure. >> but, yesterday, trump was starting to road test a nickname for hillary clinton. because he has all these nicknames. and he was tweeting, crooked hillary clinton is spending a fortune on ads against me. i'm the one person she doesn't want to run against. will be so much fun! you know, i don't know how you -- >> crooked hillary. >> crooked clinton. >> crooked hillary. >> i'll try to put some words to the things you just put words to. here's one of the key things that happened with clinton. when the race started, both clinton and sanders were extraordinarily popular with democrats. they both had approval ratings of 85 to 95% among democrats. over the course of this campaign, especially recently,
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as sanders has started to take her to the wood shed in a more direct way, her approval ratings with democrats has gone down pretty appreciably. so she's always been unpopular with republicans. but when you talk about that 56% disapproval rating, it's because she has a disapproval with democrats of 50%. her approval rating has gone from 85 to 65, basically, with democrats over the course of this campaign. so he's not only inspiring a lot of people, and especially young people, which is really part of the story of the demographics here, the rallies are all about young people coming out. she's more popular with older democrats. but he's hurting her now, not just broadly with the electorate, but hurting her with the members -- with her own party members, where she was just as popular as him, six months ago, now she's appreciably less popular with democrats. >> and bernie's plus 13 in that poll. he's one of the few. he and kasich are the only ones above water. bernie's plus nine. >> part of that frustration, though, is you two wouldn't know
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very well among establishment republicans is, they thought they had a year where they had hillary clinton, this vastly unpopular politician, and then they went and found the one person who's more you be popular than she is. doesn't mean he can't beat her in the fall. >> almost two people, right? cruz and clinton are -- >> yeah. >> the two leading republican candidates. in a year where a remotely popular republican would be by far the favorite, given those numbers -- >> if kasich were the de facto nominee right now, you look at those numbers and say, john kasich's in a great position -- instead, the republicans have cruz and trump, which are both pretty unpopular. >> i've said it all along, a general election jeb would have won going away. would have actually just demolished hillary clinton or any democrat. >> well, it would have been a fight. coming up, congress has had risk of demolishing a key ally. >> jeb bush would have picked up new mexico and arizona and
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virginia. >> if only he had some republicans who wanted to vote for him. >> there was that. >> you can say the same thing about marco rubio. i said all along, if those guys could actually get their extended family to vote for them, i mean, marco rubio or jeb bush would have won the general election. they just couldn't do it. >> all right. coming up, congress is at risk of jeopardizing a key ally, as a new bill works its way through the capital. should saudi arabia's government be culpable in an american court if any tie is found to 9/11? "morning joe" is back in a moment. why do so many businesses rely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business.
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let's get to some other headlines. the search for survivors continues in ecuador this morning after a massive 7.8 magnitude earthquake struck on saturday night. the country's president says at least 272 people have been killed and that number is expected to rise. more than 2,000 people have also been injured. search teams are still digging through the rubble, looking for anyone who may be trapped. also in the news, today the supreme court takes up the case against president obama's executive action, aimed at protecting millions of undocumented immigrants the from deportation.
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a lawsuit led by the state of texas argues that no president should have the authority to unilaterally change immigration laws. and the death of justice antonin scalia raises a possibility of a split 4-4 decision in the case. if that happens, then the lower court ruling that blocked the president's order would remain in place. and finally, the u.s. suddenly finds itself at odds with longtime allies, saudi arabia. a bill in congress would allow foreign governments, including saudi arabia, to be held responsible in u.s. courts for any role in the 9/11 attacks. the white house is lobbying against it. and riyadh is threatening to sell off hundreds of billions of dollars of american assets should it pass. now the two democratic presidential candidates have joined lawmakers and the families of victiming supporting passage of senator chuck schumer's bill. >> obviously, we've got to make anyone who participates in or supports terrorism pay a price, and we also have to be aware of
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any consequences that might be affect americans, either military or civilian or our nation. >> i have said throughout this campaign, that we are not taking a hard enough look at saudi arabia and it's not only the people who came from saudi arabia, but participated in 9/11. the evidence is pretty clear. >> president obama will arrive in the saudi capital on wednesday to meet with officials. the must-read opinion pages are next. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." money now, are you investing? well, i've been doing some research. let me introduce you to our broker. how much does he charge? i don't know. okay. uh, do you get your fees back if you're not happy? (dad laughs) wow, you're laughing. that's not the way the world works. well, the world's changing. are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed? wealth management, at charles schwab. innovative sonicare technology with up to 27% more brush movements versus oral b.
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>> you get two dinners for that. it's a bargain. it's not like $350,000 just for one person. it's a couple. >> you get two dinners. that's, what, like, $175,000 per -- >> i think they re-fill your wine glass. you can eat as much as you want. they refill your wine glass a bunch of times. >> isn't it fun clooney was making sanders' point while he was on "meet the press" as a clinton surrogate. >> this is the president of the united states' position. the system is corrupt and horrible but as long as it exists. >> he's cute, i think. >> what's that? >> george clooney's a -- >> he's looking a little like wasting away in that -- >> probably gone paleo.
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>> you know who he is, right? >> you couldn't name one george clooney movie, right? >> the one down by the river. >> "oh, brother where art thou?" >> that's impressive. i'll give it back to you. that was a cheap shot. >> it was not that cheap a shot. a protester attacked him for playing batman, which was some good self-deprecating humor. >> i know we've got to read the most-read on-eds. a debate broke out on twitter over the weekend. it said, while you were away. that was like, only have time. but these people are debating who the best batman was. it's christian bale! look, i love michael keaton. he was amazing in "the other guys." he should have won an academy award for "the other guys." ♪ don't go chasing waterfalls." but, come on, christopher nolan's "batman," and i mean,
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christian bale -- >> i'm with you. >> i mean, is christian bale not an extraordinary actor? the guy is the great actor of our time. he's underestimated, i think. he's amazing. >> best batman? >> christian bale. >> all right. >> it's just not close! >> the movies are so much better. those three movies are -- >> christian bale is so extraordinary. >> awful. okay. i've got -- >> by the way, jon meacham, we just heard said adam west. >> yeah! he liked the tights. yeah, baby. that was a winner. >> thank you for that. >> all right, i've got two must-reads from "the washington post." dowd and deown. you guys have wasted a lot of time here. maureen dowd writes, "hillary is not sorry. hillary might be right that bernie is building socialist castles in the sky, but bernie is right that hillary's judgment has often been faulty. she has shown an unwillingness
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to be introspective and learn from her mistakes. from health care to iraq to the e-mail server. she only apologizes at the point of the gun. and even then she leaves the impression that she is only sorry to be facing criticism, not that she made a mistake in the first place. when barack obama was warned by some supporters in 2002 not to make a speech against the iraq invasion because it might hurt his political future, he said he was going to do it anyhow because the war was a really terrible idea. what worries me is whether hillary has the confidence to make decisions contrary to her political interests. can she say, but it's a really terrible idea?" >> jon meacham, to maureen's point about the point of a gun, i think about the e-mail server apology that was effectively beaten out of her after about 20 e-mails. she said, look, what do you want me to do, i'm sorry. does it matter, the way she handles these questions? is it hurting her in any way? >> i think it reinforces -- we looked at those negative numbers
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a moment ago. but this is a 25-year story. and people who think a clinton scandal is going to end the clinton brand in national politics, it's like lucy and the football. we've all been to this movie a lot. so, i think the political market has largely discounted the questions about her own, about these issues. people who are inclined to believe that the clintons are arrogant, that they don't think the rules apply to them, as joe klein wrote probably 20 years ago, that they're the tom and dacy buchanan of american politics. people who think that have decided that. >> yeah. and e.j. dionne writes about what we were having trouble putting into words, what clinton and sanders owe progressives. any doubt that clinton and sanders are fed up with each other was put to rest in thursday's debate. in big block type, the "new york daily news" proclaimed them brooklyn brawlers.
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will both candidates now acknowledge the differences between them are minor compared with the philosophical chasm that separates them from any of their potential republican foes. >> let's just stop right there. john heilemann, they're not minor. hillary clinton's a neocon for the most part. bernie sanders is not a pacifist, but far different. their approach to wall street is pa far different. >> their philosophical differences are minor compared to their collective differences with the republican party. and i think both hillary clinton and bernie sanders would happily agree with that. that's what e.j. has wrote. >> but they're pretty massive, though. >> between each other, they're large. >> bernie sanders would say they are. hillary clinton likes to say, there's not such a difference between them but read what he goes on to say. he says, "the pro-sanders are
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young and unlikely to vote republican. but if too many stay home in november, much of what sanders and clinton believe in could be consigned to the dust bin. that's why the day after new york, the brooklyn brawlers would do well to sit downover a couple of brooklyn brewery ales and discover a path forward." i don't think it's going to happen. >> the challenge is going to be, assuming bernie sanders doesn't win the nomination, which is pretty likely he's not going to win, you are going to get to a point where he's going to face a choice that's going to be like the choice that hillary clinton faced in 2008. does he -- because the loser in a case like this has all the power. is he going to jump on board with hillary clinton's campaign? is he going to encourage his voters to flock to her? hillary clinton made the unity gestures in 2008. will sanders do that? >> he has less of an incentive to do that. >> having never been a member of the democratic party, that's one reason why that might be true. the other thing is, even if he does, will they listen?
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i mean, it turned out in 2008 that most of hillary clinton's voters eventually did go and vote for barack obama, even when they said they never would, they eventually did. will these millennials, who are most of the people who love bernie sanders, will they, even if he instructs them to, will he take that cue and go to lihilla clinton or just stay home? >> coming up, a "seinfeld" reunion of sorts on "saturday night live." that's ahead on "morning joe." the future belongs to the fast. and to help you accelerate, we've created a new company. ♪ one totally focused on what's next for your business. a true partnership where people, technology and ideas push everyone forward. accelerating innovation. accelerating transformation. accelerating next. hewlett packard enterprise.
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coming up, new york's former governor george pataki on why he's backing -- >> you know he does that! >> hillary clinton supporter senator tammy baldwin is here on set. and later, arianna huffington joins the conversation. no, joe, you may not do this. >> what? >> no, because we were there on friday with all those fabulous women doing that speech about know your value and it was such a great crowd, except some of the audience said, why are you so mean to sam stein? yes. and everybody's sort of clapping. it was hundreds of women who work for comcast. it was a wonderful day, but they were very upset for sam. >> because he went whimpering in the corner, weeping. >> so thank you for standing by sam. >> like when generous women feel
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on. >> nice, this. >> boom! the first few seconds of "sunday mornings." >> you weren't nervous at all? i would have been. >> that's going to be really cool. >> once you get to that first commercial, and you're like, all right, we got this. off and running. >> do you think it was a good idea to start off a show with a lie like that? >> what's that? >> church clothes? >> when was the last time you've been to church? >> last week. >> what were you doing there? >> john, just because you're morally bankrupt doesn't mean the rest of us are. >> fair point. >> wait, do you really assume because you don't go to church nobody goes to church. >> no, i assume a lot of people goes to church. i don't assume willie goes to church. >> i assume others go to church. i'm aware of the phenomenon of church going in america. >> i don't go to church. >> willie, congratulations. we're so proud of you. can you explain this "new york post" apparently there's a
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mechanical problem here. the "new york post." what's going on there? >> thanks for bringing me in on this one, joe. this is the front page story with the "new york post" having to do with -- >> just read it! >> nypd officials had sex with a prostitute dressed as a flight attendant during at least one trip on a private plane paid for by businessman at the heart of a federal probe into police corruption. >> and there's -- is this part of the investigation, into -- >> this is a separate story, i believe. i'll have to do more reporting on that. that's as far as i got. >> that's just not the way to start the morning. >> dressed up as a flight attendant? >> stop! boys! >> why? i don't get it. still with us on set, the managing editor of bloomberg politics, john heilemann. >> you can read the rest of the story in the "new york post". >> white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein. >> yes, hi.
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>> all the ladies were on your side. >> oh, my gosh, sam. >> women of comcast who know their value. >> a tepid sympathy applause. >> no, the room was against us. >> they were going, like, why don't you pick on somebody your own size? he seems -- >> they didn't say that. >> he seems so no-shoulder, like a wimpy millennial. and i said, good point. >> listen, i am going to rally these women to my cause and they will take you down. >> they were incredibly smart, talented women and they were talking about you, sam. they were on your side. >> appreciate that. >> anyhow. thanks, comcast, for having us. that was fun in philadelphia, wasn't it? fantastic day. let's get to the news. apolo polling on the three biggest states level on the republican primary calendar show donald trump at or near a majority in each. t ted cruz at 21% and john kasich at 19. in pennsylvania, trump is ahead 46% compared to cruz's 26%.
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and in california, trump is up by 18 points over cruz. 49% to 31%. >> sam stein, you just said what the republican establishment said over the weekend, when they saw these numbers come out. especially california where ted cruz not so long ago was ahead. >> it was closer a couple weeks ago. with all the caveats that this is one poll, and also that in california, delegates are awarded by congressional district, so you've got to break it down. but if he is building on his lead in california, you do need to reopen the possibility that he might actually get the delegates he needs prior to the convention and that all this stuff that's happening in wyoming and in georgia might not matter as much as we think. >> i never thought it mattered. if he gets over 50% in new york, what's that mean for donald trump as far as delegates go? >> it means he could end up getting all the delegates in new york or the vast majority. >> and what does that mean? >> well, it puts him in a
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position -- we all discussed a bunch of times, it's him getting the number of delegates to get over 1,237 by the end of the nomination fight proper is still going to be hard. but thans important first step. taking all or virtually all the new york delegates puts him in a position where if he dominates contest after contest, for the rest of the next month and a half, he could get there. if he had somehow fallen in new york and had to split the delegates with drauz droouz and john kasich, it would have been close to impossible for him to get to 1,237. so getting most or all of them here is the necessary, solid first step to doing -- >> get 1,237. and sam, you go to connecticut, he's at 50%. you look at new jersey. he's going to do well there. >> pennsylvania, rhode island, connecticut are all states where he could easily take the vast majority of the delegates and maryland is a little bit trickier, but the rest of
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those -- a lot of those states on the following tuesday are states he could do very, very well. >> and i think this shows, a silly media conversation in the post-wisconsin result, i mean, with the exception being you guys, but there was a problem where everyone thought that the trump campaign was essentially over. >> thank you for actually -- i'm serious, thank you for actually remembering that just two weeks ago, because everybody's doing a nate silver and pretending that they didn't say all the really, really stupid things that they've been saying. but right after wisconsin, everybody's, oh, my goodness, it's finally come to an end! everybody's so desperate for a result they want, that they get it wrong again. >> but i think this is true on both of these primaries, which is -- >> did you like that voice, willie, by the way? >> mr. like mrs. doubtfire. >> a pretty good mrs. doubtfire. we all assume there's this thing called momentum and it does
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exist, but it's often trumped by things like voting patterns and demographics and economics. so i think we tend to overstate certain state results and we should probably not do that. >> trump statistically can get to 1,237. he can do it. but the path remains pretty narrow. he's got to win something like 67% of remaining pledged delegates. steve kornacki said, we did overreact to wisconsin. and he would bet that trump gets to 1,237. >> i would bet trump gets to 1,237. >> so -- >> the key thing, joe, to what sam said, the ultimate -- the huge piece of luck that donald trump had on his side coming out of wisconsin was that new york was -- and that he had the two weeks in the run-up to a state that he was virtually guaranteed. >> you could say luck or you could say that this guy won everyone else and he's finishing up on his home turf. >> his worst performance was wisconsin. and to have your home state
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coming up two weeks later is -- that's just the luck of the calendar. and he's capitalized on it, you know, very smartly. >> so despite this big lead in the polls, donald trump lost in this weekend's delegate battles. ted cruz scored wins in contests in south carolina, kansas, virginia, and florida. votes that could be key if the convention goes to multiple ballots. it was the same story in georgia, where after another defeat, trump supporters marched out, taking the american flag with them. trump's national director said we are investigating concerns of delegate investigation in a few congressional district conventions. in wyoming this weekend, cruz won an additional 14 first ballot votes after making a personal appeal to the state gop convention and attacking donald trump, who was campaigning in the northeast. >> donald trump has been supporting liberal democratic politicians for 40 years. i have no experience with that.
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>> anywhere you have a situation where we're voting, that's where i do well. where the bosses are -- i can do better with the bosses than anybody. believe me. i've dealt with the bosses all my life. i've done very well politically. i just don't want to. i could have gone out to colorado. i'm sure i could have met the head guy. i'm sure i could have wined him and dined him and taken him to mar-a-lago and put him on private planes and sent him all over the place, which is legal. but that's not democracy. you're allowed essentially to pay off these people. they go out and they're wining and dining and you have no idea what's going on with those delegates. it's a crooked process, folks, okay? it's a dis honest process. that has nothing to do with democracy. the fact that you're taking all these people out and wining and dining them, nobody does that stuff better than me. i just don't want to do it. i just don't want to do it. and now you have wyoming that just came out. not a lot of delegates, but it would be easy. i'll go and fly to wyoming, meet the chairman. i guarantee you within ten minutes he's my best friend.
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he'd drop a guy like cruz in about two seconds, okay? but i just don't want to do it. because it's not the right thing to do. we have a bad system and the system has to change. has to change. the system is a bad, bad system. and they got to do something about it. the republican national committee, they better get going. because i'll tell you what. you're going to have a rough july at that convention. >> okay. so this all comes as new nbc news "wall street journal" poll finds that more than six in ten republican voters believe the candidate with the most votes and delegates at the end of the primary should be the nominee if no one has a majority. the poll found that 33% of delegates themselves should pick the party's standard-bearer. but only 20% would find it acceptable if that person did not run in the primaries. 71% called that unacceptable.
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>> look at that. sam stein, all of these white knights coming in to save the republican party, not acceptable among the republican base. and two out of three republicans think the person that has the most delegates at the end of the process needs to be their nominee. >> yeah, you know, there was a couple of weeks ago where i talked with a bunch of republicans, including people who are prominent donors, where they were talking about paul ryan going in there on the fifth ballot and sweeping this up. and they firmly believe it was a possibility. but obviously, paul ryan has since removed himself from the discussion. and these poll thurm numbers suggest it would be potentially disaster inviting trump to move out and marshal supporters against the person. it just wouldn't work. >> it's not going to work. >> 55% of voters said they would find it acceptable if ted cruz were to be nominated by convincing other candidates' delegates to support him. i don't -- and yet 45% of the republican primary voters say
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they would find it acceptable if donald trump ran as an independent, were he to win the most votes and delegates, but be denied the republican party's nomination. 47% would say that would be unacceptable. so it's the middle of april, right? and the new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll already finds that this year's crop of candidates are historically unpopular. >> yep. >> this is incredible. republican john kasich, the least-known candidate, has the highest net favorable rating. democratic candidate bernie sanders also in positive territory. the rest of the field, it is really rough. senator ted cruz has a negative 23-point favorability rating. hillary clinton has fallen to negative 24 points. her lowest rating since the poll began tracking her in january of 2001. and donald trump is by far the worst-rated candidate, with an unfavorable rating of 65%. >> so let me ask you this, mika. >> hmm?
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>> if that's the lowest hillary clinton has been, 56% disapproval, since they started tracking in 2001, tracking her in 2001, what do you think happens to those numbers when she and trump are going against each other and he is going after her every day? >> i think anything could happen, and for the clintons, that's very disarming and concerning. because i don't think they -- you know, they usually kind of have a way of kind of really -- >> i think they need proof. here's why. >> her numbers have improved. >> two reasons. one is i think some of this, i believe you talked about this last block, i think a lot of that is probably bernie sanders supporters who are vehemently against her right now, and find her -- and have been told she's corrupt and all -- >> aren't a lot of those people democrats? >> yes, so i think if she were to be the nominee, a lot of them would come back into the fold and say, i'm going to back my party's candidate. and has been the history in some
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of these cases, when she is attacked by a republican opponent, it does engender some sympathy for her. now, she's not a universally loved figure. >> so the biggest question is, what happens to trump? to your hypothetical. if trump remains less popular than hillary clinton, trump attacking her would likely help her. if trump repairs his image with the public, it could be a much big problem for her. right now she's being attacked by a person who's much more popular than she is. and that's bad for her. but being attacked by trump, in wayses that alienate a lot of people. that's the relevant question. who's attacking her and what's trump's public image, at the point he goes on the attack. >> trump was attacking jeb bush when jeb bush is far more popular in the republican party than donald trump and he destroyed him. you can say that about almost
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anyone. >> having trump attacking her, it could rehabilitate her with democrats. >> and one thing about bernie and john kasich, they're incredibly popular. and i believe we're crunching the numbers about how many negative attacks bernie's faced, and out of all the money that's been spent on ads, 2% could be termed as attacks on bernie. >> there are plenty of independents and democrats who don't like hillary clinton, but if it becomes a one-on-one race between hillary clinton and donald trump, are they able to go and vote for donald trump or do they hold their nose and vote for hillary clinton or don't vote at all. >> i don't know. but i know the clintons can claim they want trump, they want no part of him. and you talk to anybody who ran barack obama's campaign, whether it's plouffe or axelrod, go down the line, they all say that he scrambles the maps and the clintons should want no part of him. >> they all want cruz. they think cruz would be the
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easiest. >> cruz would be 40 states and a landslide victory. >> and trump is asymmetrical warfa warfare. >> you know once trump wins the primary, he's going to dart to the center. he's going ideologically, it's going to be hard to tell the difference between him and hillary on a lot of points. and he's going to attack in areas that nobody else would ever attacked before. >> yesterday, trump road tested a new nickname for secretary clinton, tweeting, crooked hillary clinton is spending a prn on ads against me. i'm the unperson she doesn't want to run against. will be such fun. he continued the charge on the stump. >> we have crooked hillary. crooked hillary, folks. she's been crooked from the beginning and to think that she has a shot at being our president. crooked hillary clinton. we can't let it happen. >> i don't respond to donald trump and his string of insults about me.
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i can take care of myself. i look forward to running against him. if he turns out to be the republican nominee, if i am the democratic nominee. what i'm concerned about is how he goes after everybody else. he goes after women, he goes after muslims, he goes after immigrants, he goes after people with disabilities. he is hurting our unity at home. he can say whatever he wants to say about me. i really could care less. >> you know, donald trump may be a tougher general election candidate than most people are giving him credit for, but as you touched on last hour, joe, he has massive demographic problems against hillary clinton with women and minorities and, you can go -- independents. you can go right down the line. at the end of the day, that's what matters. >> at the end of the day, it m kos down to numbers. he's got to figure out a way to get a third of all hispanics supporting him and he's got to get his numbers a lot better, especially with married women. and right now, it's a lift. i think he can do it. but it's going to be tough. it's going to require the type
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of discipline he's shown over the past couple of weeks. >> yeah. i worry with hillary clinton, whether it's fair or not that he has material to work with. that no one has ever -- yeah. >> i know what you're talking about. >> yeah. okay. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> we will not say it. >> i tend to stop in the mid-sentence of things that really -- last week, i think it was the, the cory lewandowski reporter thing. i just stopped. but i made my point. because you can't say certain things. but guess who will? that's what i think -- that's why i think anything could happen. >> there again, you just didn't say his name. >> donald trump. >> you can't even say -- >> voeldemort. >> bernie sanders breaks his own record, but hillary clinton is poised for a big victory in new york. we'll talk about that democratic math. and this morning we'll be joined
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hi, there. yeah. i have two questions. my first is for senator sanders. >> i couldn't hear the question! >> yeah, i didn't ask it yet, bernie. so, listen, you've been pretty vague in the past, but how exactly are you going to break up the big banks? >> you mean a big bank breakup? >> yeah, a big bank breakup. >> you break 'em up! >> how? how? >> once i'm elected president, i'll have a nice shvitz, i'll sit them down, and yada yada, ya da, they'll be broken up. >> no, you can't yada yada at a debate. also, you yada yadaed over the best part. >> no, i mentioned the shvitz. >> okay, secretary clinton, my
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question for you, doesn't it suck to be the only girl in a group of guys? >> yes, it does, my sister friend! >> i wanted it to keep going. that was "saturday night live," so good. i love "seinfeld." it could go on forever. about nothing. all right, joining us in chicago, cofounder and executive editor of real clear politics, tom bevin. and from baltimore, nbc news correspondent, hallie jackson, who's covering the cruz campaign. hallie, with we'll start with you. donald trump was on twitter bright and early this morning. what's he saying? >> he's up and at 'em, taking aim at ted cruz and john kasich. he says lyin' ted cruz can't win with the voters, so he has to sell himself to the bosses. trump tweeting, i am millions of votes ahead, hillary will destroy him. and kasich only looks okay in polls against hillary, because nobody has put negative ads out against him. so trump continuing this attack we've seen that the system is not demographic and ted cruz is taking advantage of the rules.
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trump clearly displeased with how wyoming played out. saturday, ted cruz basically swept the 14 at-large delegates that wyoming had at stake to send to the national convention. we were there. we just got the red eye from back out west here to baltimore where ted cruz will be today. and we had a chance to talk with some of those delegates. some of them supporting ted cruz. it was definitely sort of a cruz crowd, obviously. some, though, wanted undecided delegates to head to cleveland. and here's why. listen to what one man told me. jeff dardy. >> you want to be wooed? >> exactly. >> you want wyoming -- >> if i'm a sure thing, i'm not going to get flowers and dinner, right? so i want them to court us and really understand wyoming issues and really understand coal, the impact of grizzly bears and wolves on our community and our state and other issues like that. >> he's saying, hey, if i'm a sure thing, i'm not going to get dinner and flowers. he's speaking metaphorically, but he wants essentially people who are going to the convention, the candidates who will be there to really focus on wyoming and
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bring their issues to the forefront. obviously, ted cruz taking wyoming. even though new york is tomorrow, he's tupprning to pennsylvania and maryland over the next couple of days. why? those are the places in the northeast where his campaign believes he can compete. a top aide telling me they believe they can get more than 30 delegates out of pennsylvania. and that in maryland, they believe they can do really well with 38 delegates at stake here. which is why you'll see him holding a rally here up the street. so cruz, not conceding new york, but he has no more public events planned there for the next two days. instead, he will be heading elsewhere and looking west, not just in california, but to montana, too. >> nbc's hallie jackson, thank you very much. >> let's bring in tom bevin now. tom, tomorrow, a lot at stake not only on the republican side, but especially on the democratic side. what are the polls looking like? >> on the republican side, you mentioned the cbs news poll. we have an emerson poll out this morning that has trump up 35
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points. we have seven polls over an 11-day window that has trump 29.7 in our average. the polling's been pretty consistent. he's just above 53 to 54%. and that's obviously a critical number for him in terms of how many delegates he walks away with tomorrow night. >> talk about how much he's moved up in pennsylvania, california, the national ls. it seems to be for those around of us the table, seem to be noticing a growing trend in trump's favor. >> he's up double digits in pennsylvania. we just mentioned maryland. he's up double digits there. the cbs news poll had him up 18 in california. he's up 9 in our average. some of those polls have been a bit closer. but we talked about donald trump and the rough media weeks that he had leading into wisconsin. ted cruz is nor a couple of tough weeks. he is not going to pick up many delegates. he'll run third in a lot of these states. so at the rate this race is moving, media wise, things could look a lot deferent two weeks from now. >> tom, it's willie. i wonder what you think as a numbers guy, your business is
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numbers, about donald trump's argument about this process, calling it a rigged process, a crooked process. the fact he could win a vote in a state and lose delegates. does he have a point? >> i think he does, willie. i think that is an argument that resonates with his base. i mean, it cuts both ways, right? on one hand, he's supposed to be the dealmaker and negotiator, the guy who exploits the rules to his advantage and suddenly he's crying foul about the rules. in that sense, it's a little hypocritical. but on the other side, i think for ted cruz to run around and say, i'm just playing by the rules, that plays into trump's narrative for him of being sort of lyin' ted and he's wheeling and dealing and donald trump is just a man of the people. so i think right now trump has the better of that argument. >> check out the democrats. looks like real clear average in the state of new york has hillary clinton up double digits right now. >> yeah, again, another poll out this morning had her up 15. she's in solid shape there. and, you know, obviously, hillary wants to try to have a resounding win there and sort of
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close the door on this and pivot to the general election, which he's already trying to do. it's been harder for her, because she kept losing states. it so will be nice for her in her campaign to finally win something and to be able to say, yes, i'm the presumptive nominee. >> absolutely. >> tom, thank you so much for being with us. we always love having you here. >> tom bevin, thank you. next, donald trump is reminding voters that all politics is local. >> first of all, it's great to be home. this is home. it's great to be home. we love new york. i was driving over from manhattan and i passed queens. i love queens. do we have a lot of queens? i love -- i grew up in queens. i grew up in queens. >> msnbc's -- >> he says the same thing when he goes and gives a speech in nova scotia, but he actually grew up in queens. >> a closer look at trump's hometown and how that neighborhood looks a lot different today.
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welcome back, children. it's so good to have you here. so, you know, mika's sort of like a fashion play. fashion's important to her. >> that's why she hangs out with you. >> exactly, this sweater. look at this thing, right? >> it's a nice-looking sweater.
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>> as blue collegiate crew necks go, it's pretty nice. >> $29.95, ll bean. >> wash and fold or dry clean? >> okay, dude, do you think i dry clean my sweaters? you are such a millennial. you and sam stein should get together. >> he doesn't dry clean them nor wash and fold them. >> i sleep in them. >> i thought mika was here and i walked out of with my fingerless gloves. >> and she left. >> she went through that stage with prince and the purple gloves. >> i thought maybe she wanted to try them on. >> that may be why she left. >> jacob, you went back where it all started. >> 13 stops on the up train from rockefeller center. >> yes, willie, you know it's 13. >> willie takes that train out to the states. >> we g out there all the time. we've been on the dogs. 13 stops on the f train, jamaica states with, donald trump born
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and raised in a beautiful-looking house. i wanted to know what his neighbors think had he stuck around. he had to come out here to manhattan, but this is what they had to say. take a look at this. when you think of donald trump, you always think about giant manhattan skyscrapers, not a house like this in the suburban batter of queens, new york, but trump grew up in this house when he was a kid in new york city. and that's why we're out here in mr. trump's neighborhood to see what shof his neighbors think about his bid for president. >> what's your name? >> joseph. >> you grew up around here? >> in jamaica queens. >> reporter: to donald trump grew up in this house right here. you going to vote for him on tuesday? >> though. >> definitely not? >> not at all. >> do you know who grew up in this neighborhood? >> besides myself? >> let me give you a clue. he's running for president. >> yeah, some would say donald trump grew up in jamaica states. >> how do you feel about that? he sort of came from your neighborhood? >> well, i'm an assemblywoman,
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so i am not supporting donald trump. >> who are you supporting? >> i'm supporting hillary clinton. >> who are your constituents? >> a lot of first generation immigrants. >> do you think he's got a shot out here on tuesday? >> no. >> jacob from msnbc. >> hi. >> you know that donald trump grew up around the corner right there on middle parkway. >> he did, i know. >> you going to vote for donald trump? >> hell no. >> if donald trump ever took the subway, this is most likely the subway he took, the f train at 179th street station. can i ask you a quick question. do you live here in jamaica? >> yes. >> are you voting here on tuesday? >> who are you going to vote for? >> bernie. >> what about donald trump, he grew up here? >> he's a nice guy, but i don't vote for him. >> you know who grew up in this neighborhood? >> i know that maybe nicki minaj and 50 cent, something like that. >> nicki minaj and 50 cent grew up in this neighborhood. i didn't know that. >> maybe there is something more important, but i knew about
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them. >> depends if you like american politics. donald trump? >> oh, i don't like him but i know he was from here. >> you like nicki minaj and 50 cent. >> so you're saying mostly undecided. >> hard to really read. >> can i say in fairness to mr. trump, this is now a largely working class first generation immigrant community. so it's no surprise given his message. but in neighboring areas of queens, douglaston, ridgewood, bayside, he will clean up in those neighborhoods out in queens. >> yeah, he's going to clean up in the center of the island, most likely. peter king's district is going to be just -- >> but i'm very curious and eager to see what would happen if donald trump did go home. >> for the record, 50 cent is from the south side of jamaica, not the estates. >> how did you know that? >> there's a line in the sand.
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>> do you and 50 -- >> i'm from south side jamaica. >> oh, excuse me! >> so no one ambushes people on the street better than -- >> more politely. >> but like -- >> billy ikner gives them a dollar and i think that's against our code of ethics. >> they always turn and open to you. it's a gift. >> how's your father doing? >> he's doing good. he would love a retweet. maybe we can arrange that? >> we're going to tweet that he's great. >> dad, mom, i love you guys. >> look at that! hold on a second. oh, my god. >> this guy is america's sweetheart over here. >> can you put the gloves on? >> john, would you like to try one on? >> not in a million years. >> these are on the circus. >> everything that's going on at this table is so grotesque. >> i've seen this on the circuits. >> you must have been high. >> that's for typing, right? >> that feels so good. >> where's the shot?
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there it is. >> he looks like he's about to sing "when doves cry." >> exactly. >> where's hallie jackson? >> one of the great songs, "when doves cry." >> no bass. >> that is extraordinary. >> not only an innovation then, but i don't think anybody -- good luck finding me another -- >> a song you can dance to without bass. >> that does not have the bass. crazy. >> can you name one? >> no. >> of course you can't. >> because none exist. >> except, right there. >> right there. "when doves cry." >> i actually want to hear jacob sing "don't go chasing waterfalls." >> that's a licensing issue. >> i'm wondering, willie. there's a lot of pregnant pauses here and alex is screaming in my ear. i'm kind of wondering. how long do you think we can drag this out. >> alex gets a tone to his voice. >> what's happening on this
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from fossil fuels and that that affects her judgment. >> well, of course it does. >> well, would that be crooked? >> in that case, the entire united states government is crooked. >> that was senator bernie sanders moments ago across the street on the "today" show. joining us here in new york city, nbc news white house correspondent, kristen welker who's covering the clinton campaign. kristen, this race is getting very interesting. a strange dynamic with one candidate with the pope. another candidate in california with george clooney. it looks like, according to the polls, hillary clinton will do well tomorrow night, though. >> reporter: hey, willie, good morning to you. happy monday. you are absolutely right. the race getting very interesting. secretary clinton still has a commanding double-digit lead. but, look, senator sanders is arguing he has a lot of momentum. he drew his largest crowd yet yesterday. but for secretary clinton, the goal here is for winning big. for senator sanders, it's about staying in the game. hillary clinton and bernie
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sanders making their closing arguments to new york voters. >> go out and vote for me on tuesday. >> reporter: clinton is heading into the final hours with a double-digit lead, but sanders insisted he still has a path to the nomination. as clinton closes in, she's brushing aside the republican front-runner's new nickname for her. crooked hillary. >> i don't respond to donald trump and his string of insults about me. i can take care of myself. >> reporter: this comes as clinton is facing tough questions about competing optics this weekend. while sanders met with the pope in rome, clinton attended for high-priced fund-raisers hosted by george and amall cro clooney the weekend. prompting some sanders' supporters to throw dollar bills at her car on sunday. >> i am raising money to elect other democrats. i'm a democrat and i want to see us take back the senate. >> clooney also using that explanation, but striking a note
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of agreement with sanders on "meet the press". >> it is an obscene amount of money. the sanders' campaign, when they talk about it, is absolutely right. it's ridiculous that we should have this kind of money in politics. >> all of that giving sanders an opening. >> is he backing the wrong horse here? >> well, i think he is. >> now, on a lighter note, secretary clinton, having a little bit of fun on sunday, dancing to some latin music in harlem, while she was reaching out to latino voters. but, of course, what is happening here in new york, critically serious for both of the democratic candidates, could really shake the rest of this race. senator sanders' aides say their goal right now is to win as many delegate as possible and look ahead to future states like delegate-rich california. there is no doubt a loss here would make it a lot tougher for senator sanders to win the nomination. willie? >> thank you, kristen. >> thank you very much, kristen. appreciate it.
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let's bring in tammy baldwin, she supports hillary clinton for president, telling us about how she was dancing with a 92-year-old man. >> there was some context. >> world war ii veteran. >> exactly! what were you going to do? say no, buster. >> this ain't the uso! no, you don't want to say that. so you're backing hillary clinton, but you are a great admirer of bernie sanders, a guy who did extraordinarily well in your home state. how do you balance it and how does the party come together after this brawl in new york? >> well, i think the party is going to come together without any question, and especially in contrast to what you're seeing on the republican side, where so many republicans are really facing this moral test of, are they going to stand with the nominee or are they people who are close to the party of lincoln and the party of teddy roosevelt, you know, they have
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that, this is a moral test for a lot of them. but, you know, i looked at that campaign playing out in wisconsin, and you know, both candidates, again, who i have a lot of affection for, are all about how do we give people a fair shot at getting ahead. and i have known hillary clinton since i first ran for the house in '98. and what is so impressive and what has, i think, helped her maintain the lead throughout this in terms of popular vote >> in terms of delegates is her specifics in terms of plans to get the job done. but she is about breaking down barriers and building up opportunities for the middle class. >> let me follow up on this real quick, because there is so much discussion about super delegates and their role in this race. your state -- democrats in your state, and independents, who are allowed to vote there -- >> and republicans. we have an open primary. >> so bernie sanders won by 13 points in your state. so just explain how as a super
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delegate from the state of wisconsin, how you can justify being -- voting for hillary clinton, being pledged to hillary clinton or not pledged, but being for hillary clinton when the overwhelming majority of your state and bernie sanders wins by that kind of margin. what's the argument for that? >> i am a human being and a super delegate, and i -- >> you can be both now. >> i can, absolutely! and i can do it well. >> as far as i know, there's a one-to-one correlation between super delegates and human beings. >> so i endorsed hillary clinton very early on in this race, but i expect this to play out in much the same way the convention did in 2008, where obama and clinton primary is that i believe in the final word is that the super delegates in large part are going to go with the u.s. popular vote as well as the pledged delegate vote. and you see hillary clinton maintaining a very strong lead
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in both. now, depending on what happens here new york here tomorrow, you know, it may become mathematically impossible for bernie sanders to catch up. at this point, he still could, but i don't see that happening. so my superdelegate vote will go very much in line with the popular vote in the united states. >> if it does become mathematically impossible for bernie sanders to win the majority of the delegates or even close after new york, do you think he should get out of the race? >> we'll certainly leave the decision, as it must be, up to bernie sanders. i think he has contributed something very important to this campaign cycle. but at some point, we start the process of unifying. and i think, again, back in 2008, hillary clinton did a very good job of beginning a unifying process. we all at our core about helping the middle class achieve the
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american dream, helping those who are low income who are working every day be able to get ahead. and i want to see our candidates come together around that. >> would it be helpful if he stepped away so you could make that turn to the general election? >> again, it's going to be bernie's decision. i expect he's going to carry it on for some time to come, but let's see what happens tomorrow in new york. >> senator tammy baldwin, thank you so much. i appreciate you clarifying that superdelegates are also human beings. >> wow. >> just like us. >> sam stein, write that down. >> i just did. >> already tweeted it. >> fantastic. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> i'm not a big sleeper. three hours, four hours. i toss and turn and think. i want to find out what's going on. >> arianna huffington isn't losing sleep over this election.
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>> okay. good morning, everybody. it's monday. >> how was everybody's weekend? nice weekend, right? >> beautiful, right? >> so beautiful. what a great weekend. >> it was all right. >> oh, really. come on. >> no, really. it was good. >> your show was good. i can't wait to see the whole thing. >> exhausted from watch -- >> no, you know what it is? anyone here have daughters? oh, you're all too young. you think you have everything down until your daughters become teenagers and this face is because i have a teenage daughter. >> enough said. >> this face because i had three arby's super meals this week. >> it rounds it out. >> it smooths it out so you can see the pain etched on my face. willie geist. >> so your show. did it feel good, or were you nervous? >> willie geist. >> i have to say, inspired by
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our experience together for almost ten years. trying to bring a little bit of "morning joe" to the mornings. news in a conversational way. thank you for the inspiration. >> any time you do something for the first time there's a little uncertainty about it. >> number one trending conversation on twitter? >> what a great move. >> it was sunday morning and i went -- i wouldn't do this, but, hey, you know what, who am i to judge? it may be the top trend. you did it with class. >> thank you. >> willie knows his audience and fan base. >> you get this great show. and we get you back. everybody wins. can't believe it. monday, april 18th, something to smile, about willie geist. former communications director for george w. bush, nicole wallace. >> i'm watching reince priebus
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this weekend. i know reince. i like him. i want to tell him, buddy, just stop. just back away. you are like the rnc chair. he's got you exactly where he wants you. you are looking defensive. have an associate come on. have a past rnc chair come on. have hailey barber come on. politics. it's just much about nothing. >> i don't think hailey wants to say that about trump. >> the guy in charge of the rnc, you don't go on there and look defensive. and this is again donald trump like making the turn. guess what? last week he wasn't on. he put his people on. this week he wasn't on and it was other people on being defensive. but reince doesn't need to do that anymore. >> reince is saying he's not going to take donald trump person personally. he should because it is
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personal. he is making this case. and sort of while we were sleeping, he may have won this case. i think ted cruz keeps winning at the state conventions. we're not nominating a prom queen. we're nominating a president. and people feel this delegate process that cruz keeps winning is not how they feel that we elect presidents. i think trump is now riding this into a second week. thises should second week, his daily message. this is the most disciplined he's been on any message. >> and did you see the numbers? have exploded. he's been over 50. i think he's at 50 in the national polls. in california he's like 49 in california. and it's the best thing that could have happened to him was taking that colorado loss, where nobody voted, and then just using it for two weeks. >> and he got another one this weekend. he got wiped out in wyoming. now he's got a frame to hang around these staggering losses. so cruz doesn't really look like
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he's -- >> so also with us, managing editor co-host of "with all due respect" that airs at 6:00 eastern on msnbc, john heilemann. and in nashville, tennessee, john meacham. >> he cried all weekend but for a different reason. >> that's what he does. >> he's very sensitive. >> so -- >> you know, who would have ever imagined the crimean war would have gone that way. >> the whole rebellion thing. >> i thought willie's best moment was the look at the war of 1812. >> yeah, that was good. >> thanks. nerd joke. polling in the three biggest states left on the republican primary calendar showed donald trump at or near a majority in each. in new york, the cbs/yougov poll shows trump poised to win with 54%. ted cruz at 21%.
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john kasich at 19%. in pennsylvania, trump is ahead by 20 points. 46% to cruz's 26%. and in california, trump is up by 18 points over cruz. 4 49% to 31%. >> john, looks like a big surge. certainly always ahead in new york, even coming out of wisconsin and in california california and pennsylvania, he seems to be solidifying his gains. >> i think for the reasons you just said. this particular moment where he left wisconsin in the worst position he's been in throughout the entire race -- >> right. >> -- and how he managed to make this turn. if he ends up being the republican nominee we'll look at this as the moment when he displayed the most political sophistication of any moment in the entire campaign. a lot of other times where trump has bullied through things. his strength, people attacked him. he made mistakes, got stronger
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by sucking energy out of the attacks. this has not been a visceral thing. this has just been a smart thing. this has been the, okay, i'm in trouble. i have new york coming up. let's see what's going on out here and how i can jiujitsu something that's ostenseibly a negative for me and turn it into a message, as nicolle said, that he's been more consistent on. it's the sophistication of this. trump has not been particularly sophisticated throughout this campaign. this is a moment where he's really displaying strategic and tactical deftness. >> also a level of sophistication but totally connects with everybody. the voters he's appealing to. >> you look at the people he's putting around him and starting to move professionals in around him and he's doing this, i think, tactically. the most sophisticated part of it is they are making all of
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these changes where they know they have two weeks that are going to lead up to his home field advantage when he's going to get over 50%. so they've used these two weeks, which started as the low point of his campaign. the only time we said it's a low point of his game, this is miserable. and he had to make the change, and it appears he has made the change. and he's doing all of this and bringing in all the professionals leading up to a known win, which is the safest, best time. >> good point. you can really roll it all together. despite his big lead in the polls, donald trump lost in this week's delegate battles. ted cruz won in south carolina, kansas and virginia, votes that could be key in the convention goes to multiple ballots. it was the same story in georgia where after another defeat, trump supporters marched out taking the american flag with them. trump's national delegate director told the "atlanta
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journal-constitution," we're investigating concerns of delegate suppression in a few congressional district conventioned. in wyoming this week, cruz won an additional 14 first ballot votes after making a personal appeal to the state gop convention and attacking donald trump who was campaigning in the northeast. >> donald trump has been supporting liberal democratic politicians for 40 years. i have no experience with that. >> anywhere you have a situation where we're voting, that's where i do well. where the bosses are -- i could do better with the bosses than anybody. i've dealt with the bosses all my life. i've done well politically. i could have gone out to colorado. i'm sure i could have met the head guy. i'm sure i could have wined him and dined him and put him on private planes, sent him all over the place, which is legal, but that's not democracy. you're allowed essentially to pay off these people. they go out and they are wining
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and dining. you have no idea what's going on with those delegates. it's a crooked process, folks, okay? it's a dishonest process. that has nothing to do with democracy. the fact you take all these people out and wining them and dining them. nobody does that stuff better than me. i just don't want to do it. now you have wyoming that just came out. not a lot of delegates, but it would be easy. i'll go, i'll fly to wyoming and meet the chairman. i guarantee you within ten minutes he's my best friend. he'd drop a guy like cruz in about two seconds, okay? but i just don't want to do it because it's not the right thing to do. we have a bad system, and the system has to change. has to change. >> so, willie, you got ted cruz winning these delegate battles in conventions where people don't vote in wyoming and colorado and states luke that and trump ahead in new york and pennsylvania and california,
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approaching 50%. i don't fault ted cruz. it's the only thing he can do. but at this point it looks like they're running around and picking lint up off of trump's jacket. >> i've been amazed to listen to the broad spectrum of people who agree with trump on this, including democrats who are otherwise repulsed by him who say, wait a minute. you win the most votes but don't get the most delegates or there aren't even votes and the delegate comes away deciding who wins that. no primary in west virginia coming up may 10th where donald trump will win by a landslide but may lose the delegate count because there are these arcane rules that have to do with the alphabet. politico has a big piece about it up today. and that's the thing people look at. it's the first time we've had this big of discussion about it. such a big stage. and they say, that's not democracy. how about the guy who gets the most votes wins. >> the process is rigged. >> it's forcing us to have all these really -- everything about
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trump's candidacy is forcing us as republicans to have uncomfortable conversations. the surge of sanders and trump is forcing us sort of political insiders to have these difficult conversations and i think this is so central to trump's message because he's ripping the currents down. he's yanking them down and showing just how -- i hate to keep using the word rigged but how easily manipulated -- >> but it seems rigged. it feels rigged. i've had people say, joe, it's like these political parties are like country clubs. they aren't democracies. they can do whatever they want. they literally are telling me that as if that's their defense. and all i'm thinking, that's exactly why they are about to be torn to the ground. this 150-year duopoly you've been talking about between democrats and republicans just may be coming to an end and this exposure of this ugly undemocratic process on both sides with superdelegates and
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now this may be one of the reasons why they do come tumbling down. >> they're oligarchies basically. they don't make a great deal of ideological sense. one of the missed opportunities of this cycle which has been so calm and unnotable is if bloomberg, mike bloomberg had, in fact, run, you would have had this interesting case where, would fiscally conservative and socially moderate voters in both the democratic and republican parties, would they have moved to a third party and you would have made the republican and democratic parties more purely ideological on each side. one of the great questions. the other interesting thing to me about the past couple of days is what trump has done seems to me has moved from historically the crudest kind of populism, blaming the other. it's immigrants, muslims, trade deals. they are the ones other people
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are taking things from you. and he has made it a very sophisticated populism now which is that, in fact, the very visible party structure is taking away the decision, what appears to be the decision at the ballot box. it's an interesting pivot. still ahead -- sunday in the park with bernie. bernie sanders turns out more than 28,000 people in brooklyn. >> that's almost as much, you know -- >> it's crazy. >> when i have a little band and we'll go on the corner and we'll get about 28,000. they just gather around us at first. >> turn over a bucket? >> i don't think that's what he's doing. >> will it be enough to make up ground on hillary clinton's sizable lead in new york? probably not. plus -- one of the world's most -- economies is struggling. now it's mired in political crisis. impeachment votes under way for brazil's president with only months to go until the summer
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when i was a kid growing up in flatbush, our parents would take us to prospect park. they still have the seals and the elephants. all right. but i was never here speaking to 20,000 people. so thank you all very much for being here. >> a new polling on the democrat side shows hillary clinton hanging on to her double-digit lead here in new york ahead of
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tomorrow's primary. the cbs news/yougov poll has hillary clinton ahead of bernie sanders by ten points, 53-43. but the latest numbers came on a day in which sanders addressed the biggest crowd of his entire campaign. look at these people. nbc news confirmed the senator drew over 28,000 people to brooklyn's prospect park yesterday. that breaks the campaign's previous record of 28,000 flat in portland. that was last summer in oregon. and sanders went after clinton on everything from her superpac money to libya to her speech transcripts. >> here is a simple truth which everybody understands whether you are progressive or conservative. and that is, you cannot have a superpac raise many millions of dollars from wall street or special interest and then tell
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the american people with a straight face that you're going to stand up to the big money interest. not true. we're going to win this thing without being dependent on wall street or the big money interest. secretary clinton has chosen to raise her money a different way. >> yes, 28,000 people out there. half of them actually thought they were out there for frisbee golf. >> stop. that's just not true. >> that's not true. >> it's america's game. certainly brooklyn's game. or hackiesack. >> incredible crowd. hillary clinton campaign's response is congratulations on your big crowds but the idea is to get big votes and she's up by ten points in the poll. he's inspired a lot of people. >> how does she grab that inspiration? >> how does he --
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>> she. >> oh. >> because this -- look, she's got new york. let's put that on the table. but she couldn't get this crowd. >> there's a poll out. she also got 2.5 million more votes than him. in terms of -- she's not just ahead in the delegate count but in the popular vote for the totality of the race at this point. when they said she has the vote advantage they don't mean in terms of the polls in new york. they mean overall throughout the race. >> we'll see how this week, how tuesday goes. but john meacham, numbers like that, 28,000 people? this far into a campaign? sometimes you have candidates get it early in a campaign, but for him to just keep building up like this, it's pretty incredible. >> it suggests there's a deep yearning for his message, for an
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authentic message if you will, uncalculated. you see those numbers and you understand bill clinton's frustration which has been so evident the past seven days or so. seems to me that any count of this campaign has to take into account, into significance, the fact that there are so many people coming out to see a guy pretty far on the right wing side, trump, and pretty far on the left wing side, sanders. a lot like 1948. there's clearly a lot of ideological, fif philosophical yearning and unease that they're going to have to harness. coming up -- perhaps no one will miss the new york primary more than john kasich. >> best in the world here. when you eat a pickle, you have to put your finger up in the air like this.
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am i right? >> 100%. >> no, keep the finger down. >> over the weekend the governor of ohio picked up more big endorsements ahead of tuesday's vote. >> what's was that? >> maybe some pounds, too. >> pickles are good for you. >> no they're not. >> he was eating everywhere. former governor george pataki joins us, along with ariana huffington, next on" morning joe." the areas outside of houftson have gotten epic amounts of rain overnight. 15 inches of rain just since midnight. that's an incredible amount of water. this is all low terrain. this is i-10 as it runs westward. from austin to houston, we're getting all these pictures. these are new pictures in with numerous water rescues overnight. fire departments were out there in the midst of these storms trying to get people out of the water rising in their homes. many creeks still rising and the weather service is calling this a 1 in 500-year event as far as flooding.
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that's serious business. once we get the daylight pictures and helicopters up there it's going to be incredible. flash flood emergency continues for that entire region. they are telling everyone to stay home. schools have been closed throughout the region. this is the raisar over the last two hours. this rain is still falling. it's not moving. it's over the same areas. that's when you get historic flooding. and right now it's right over the city limits of houston. not recommended travel right now in that area. the other story that we've been dealing with over the weekend was not just the heavy rain but also up to dallas, oklahoma city, the creeks and everything still high. in dallas and texarkana shreveport, still the flood watch. the area of greatest concern is that houston area down to victoria and eventually towards the coast near galveston. we'll watch this during the day today. today is the peek of it. tomorrow will be additional rainfall. how about these extremes right now. the big snowstorm in colorado this past weekend. we have amazing warmth.
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thank you both for making time to be here. i know it was hard for both of you to agree on a date. >> no, not for me, wolf. i offered up a date right away. i said how about maypril 33rd. >> i want a million debates. when people hear my message it resonates loud and clear because i always talk like i'm on the other side of a river. >> secretary clinton, we'll start with you. you recently stood by governor cuomo as he signed a $15 minimum wage into law. do you no longer think it should be $12? >> wolf, i have said from the beginning that it should be a combination of 12 and/or 15. >> no, no you didn't. you always said 12. >> and 15. i said 12 and/or 15. >> that's not true. >> yes it is. >> no it is not. >> yes, it is. yes it is. feeling that's bern? you feel that bern?
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>> all right. with us now former presidential candidate and former governor of new york, republican george pataki. you officially endorsed john kasich. and also with us, arianna huffington, the author of "the sleep revolution -- transforming your life one night at a time." she's going to counsel me in a minute. arianna, on the democratic side, a lot of people concerned about the brawling going on between sanders and clinton. is that something to worry about or is that going to be forgotten once the convention -- >> we see hillary once again kind of disbelieving what's happening because in 2008, at least there was this young elegant black man who is a real orator and now she's losing a lot of her natural constituency to a 74-year-old white man who
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sounds like a staff sergeant in terms of his oratory. >> why is this happening to hillary clinton again? >> i think a lot of the message that bernie is focusing on, equalities, campaign finance reform and all that is really resonating, including with millennials who want to see change. >> is she too much of the status quo for millennials to support? >> exactly. we see that revolt against the establishment across both political parties. >> on the republican side as well. you support john kasich, a guy i worked with and like very much. but kasich right now is not getting the traction he needs. >> not yet, but i think the key is to stop donald trump, to not let him become the nominee before the convention. be t then at the convention, the delegates are free to look at who they want. in both parties, there's
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enormous dissatisfaction with the so-called establishment. that's why we have the trump phenomenon on the republican side and the sanders phenomenon on the democratic side. >> you were running in this race. >> yeah. >> and it's been hard for everybody that's run, big states, small states, medium size states because donald trump has been so dominant in this process on the republican side. how do you take it away from him at the convention? >> i think the media has made donald trump into -- >> no, they haven't. >> constantly on. all they ever talk about. >> if it helps you sleep at night. donald trump has got more negative media than anybody maybe since richard nixon in 1974, so -- >> when we say take it away from him at the convention, that would only be the case if he goes to the convention with 1,237. so i think what the governor is
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saying is how do we -- people who are supporting john kasich or ted cruz, how can they ensure he doesn't go to the convention with 1,237, in which case taking it away from him does not apply. >> let me just say that i agree with everything arianna just said. she said it brilliantly and i think we can just end the show right now. >> this is the first time he and i have been on national television together all these years. >> the best show i've ever had. i love this show. >> i can't even insult you. >> you should be here all the time. >> let me ask you, governor, one of the most perplexing things has been that john kasich has not gotten more support from establishmentarians, but his fellow governors. you are on board with him now but he's not had a flock of republican governors join his jamboree. i find it befuddling. >> people are being realist nick
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saying, who is going to win? if it's not going to be trump, in all likelihood, it's going to be cruz. but who will be the best president? i think it's john kasich. and who will win in november? >> they are getting behind ted cruz, a guy you and i know may pin nine states in a general election. >> i think cruz could win the general election because hillary has been so damaged. >> you think a guy like ted cruz can win ohio, virginia? >> i think john kasich would win in november and i think ted cruz could win. the one certainty is that donald trump goes down in flames which is why i think what arianna said is right. if he doesn't have 1237 votes, the conventions should look elsewhere. you're talking about the new york primary. it's really 27 different primaries. trump is going to win the state but he could lose a number of those districts and fail to hit 50% of those in more than half of those districts. and then a lot of the delegates would go to kasich.
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>> the democratic side, you saw the republican side. but also on the democratic side arianna, how important for bernie to win new york state? >> well, first of all, on the republican side, just to say something, and then i'll tell you about the democratic side. for the republican party, it's so important to look at what's happening to trump's favorables and unfavorables. when you have like, what is the latest, 65% unfavorables to 24% favorable, i mean for any major political party not to look at that in terms of november is suicidal. >> what about hillary? 55% disapproval rating. shouldn't democrats look at bernie who is actually, what is he, plus 9? >> plus 9. >> i think what's happening is the democrats are clearly looking at that. look at the incredible following he's getting. and i don't think he has to win in new york for him to continue to be a force.
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>> i want to say again that ilet toly agree with what arianna said. >> so let me ask you -- >> what about me? >> you're great, too, but not quite as great at arianna. >> governor, we had you who ran new york state. a republican for three terms. jeb bush who ran the state of florida for two terms. we have, of course, john kasich now. scott walker. a lot of very able candidates. chris christie who has run new jersey, another blue state. no traction. why? >> i think people are looking for change. they don't trust people who have been in the political process, which is why you have donald trump and why you have bernie sanders. i mean, yes, he's been a senator but a flake on the outside. he hasn't been perceived as an insider. it's that simple. >> do you think anyone who hasn't run in this primary for
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the republicans should be able to win at the convention floor, or does it have to be someone who actually put their toe in the water? >> i don't think it has to be someone who was a candidate. i finishing think if it comes d convention if trump doesn't have a majority, after the first ballot the delegates can say who would be the best president and unite the party and win? if that person is available, we should nominate that person. i don't care if they ran for president or not. >> one interesting thing about trump here. he always talks as though every problem can be solved by making a great deal, whether it's the wall with mexico, the relationship with putin, and in the area where he's supposed to be a master at deal making, he's failing. he's basically failing to make the kind of deals that cruz is making that gets him all these extra delegates. if he can't make a deal with his own party, how can we expect him to make a deal with mexico or
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putin or all the other deals which he's going to be making? >> we'll be hearing a lot more about that if he gets to the 1237. >> she nailed it. >> governor george pataki. thank you. your don't have to be around for the next segment where sam stein is lavishing praise on arianna huffington. up next, they say new york is a city that never sleeps. i know i don't. but arianna is working hard to change that and she's going to be my personal sleep counselor coming up straight ahead. you were there last night. you flew straight here. how many hours of sleep did you get? >> not too much. about an hour and a half. >> about an hour and a half. so you're rested and ready to go. >> what i do for you folks. >> i'm doing it for them. >> oh. one of millions of orders on this company's servers. accessible by thousands of
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think all mistakes at this stage in a campaign are born out of fatigue. these candidates are extremely tired. they are working around the clock. they are traveling between time zones. it's been going on now for months and months. you have these do or die contests every week. >> steve schmidt back in february on "morning joe." back with arianna huffington the author of the great new book "the sleep revolution." i need some sleep. maybe five hours a night if i'm lucky. i need to push that to seven. >> all i need from you is one hour of your life where i want you to read two chapters in the book. i don't expect you to read the whole thing. i want you to read the science chapter. it's critical you convince your brilliant mind that sleep is non-negotiable. if you don't convince yourself of that, it doesn't matter all the tools and techniques in the book will mean nothing.
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once you convince yourself of all the latest science, and it's very new. it's in the last ten years especially that we know how sleep is frenetic activity for the brain. when you get enough sleep which you said for years about seven hours, everything is better. every aspect of your life, including cognitive performance, happiness, health, everything. once you read the science chapter and are convinced of that, then you go to the way forward chapter which gives you all the tools and techniques. a transition to sleep. we have forgotten that we all need a transition to sleep the way our babies and young children need a transition. as a father you didn't just drop your baby and expect it to go to sleep. so my transition, and you can create yours is pick a time. you can start with five minutes. i'm now up to 30 minutes where you turn off all your devices and escort them out of your
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bedroom. you cannot charge your phone by your bed. have some kind of shower or bath, something that is like water, washing away the day, the things that have not been resolved, everything is done. this is your time for recharging. you get into bed, cool, about 67 degrees for me. pitch dark. and then in bed, i read books that have nothing to do with politics, work. i read novels. i read poetry. anything to just switch my mind off. that's what wakes you up sometimes even at 2:00 in the morning as you said. it's not our bodies. it's our brains that haven't stopped. so if you do that, and i'll be your personal coach -- >> that sounds great. >> will you do that for a week and see where we are? >> i will do that. and we're looking at a chart that talks about how many hours of sleep do you get. let's talk about the trends over time. it looks like obviously we're
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getting a lot less sleep than why did in the '40s or even the '90s. >> we're getting less sleep but losing productivity. despite the fact we're getting less sleep and working harder, we lost 11 days of productivity. and the cost in terms of health care costs, in terms of people not being engaged at work is $63 billion to the u.s. economy last year. >> how many hours a night are you sleeping? >> i get eight hours 90% of the time. let me answer that for everybody. there's a scientific consensus that the vast majority of us, 99%, need 7 to 9. there's a tiny percentage who have a genetic mutation. they can do perfectly well with four or five. >> before you went on the sleep kick, were you one of these people sleep deprived? >> yes. and i actually collapsed from
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sleep deprivation. >> is that what made you get serious about sleep? >> yes. i hit my head and broke my cheekbone. first of all, convincing myself of the science and recognizing why we started devaluing sleep back in the first industrial revolution when we thought we'd treat human beings like machines and minimize down time. >> i read that back 200 years ago, people slept differently. they slept for three or four hours and then they'd wake up and be up for an hour or two and go back to sleep. >> really before the invention of the light bulb, it was known as segmented sleep. normal for people to wake up in the middle of the night. but they didn't do the things they did during the day. they were like special prayer books. prayers to read in the middle of the night. they'd recount their dreams to each other. a contemplative and reflective time. >> people still don't do that?
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i've been doing that for like three years now. >> so thumbs up or thumbs down on naps? >> naps are great if you are sleep deprived. we have nap rooms. >> i take advantage of them. >> i read somewhere, though, that naps do not make up for lost sleep at night, the deep rem sleep. >> they don't make up for it but they reset your day so you don't walk through your day like a zombie. one thing that for me is another convincing argument is athletes. i have a whole section on sports and sleep here because now the top athletes are prioritizing their sleep. if you go to the index and look at andre iguodala who just had this great season with the golden state warriors, he said his game dramatically improved and he showed his stats when he started getting for him what is essential eight hours. kobe bryant, the same. so to the extent that people only care about their jobs and
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performance -- >> right. >> -- sleep is a performance enhancement tool that is legal and no adverse effects. >> i'm going to be reading it. "the sleep revolution -- transforming your life one night at a time." i now have a sleep coach. we always love having you, even when sam is here. >> i love sam. coming up next, brazil's president is on the verge of impeachment as the corruption scandal consumed the country. what impact will it have on the olympics? keep it right here on "morning joe." ♪ ♪ you live life your way. we can help you retire your way, too.
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time for biz before the bell. sarah, so much to talk to you about. of course, what happened in doha with the oil producers not coming to a deal and how that's going to impact oil. but also brazil. what in the world is going on there in a country that, gosh, five years ago everybody said was the emerging market with india and several others. now it looks like it's in total chaos. how does that impact world markets? >> the brazilian economy is in the worst it's been in years. dilma rousseff is one step closer to getting impeached. legislators voted with a two-thirds majority to continue to impeach her.
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now the vote goes to senate, which it's looking likely to pass. if that happens, then rousseff steps down for 180 days while this goes to trial. all of this as not only the brazilian economy is spiraling. political chaos, distrust in a lot of key government organizations. this is all the result of a major complicated corruption scandal and it comes just four months before brazil is set to host the 2016 olympic games. big questions about whether they're going to be prepared, whether the venues will all be in place. investors, though, are optimistic. the brazilian stock market has been on fire. it's up more than 20% so far this year on hopes and expectations that rousseff would be impeached. and someone more business friendly would come in. also quickly on doha, the big news over the weekend, after great expectations, no agreement. 16 major oil producers, including russia and saudi arabia met.
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they discussed whether to freeze production at january levels to try to stabilize prices. after hours of talks and discussion, a failure to result in an actual agreement and a big reason why, according to reports, could be iran which was not at the meeting and has been cranking up productions because sanctions were lifted. oil prices are under pressure this morning. >> at the end of the day, sara, saudi arabia and iran have not gotten along. i read an analyst said saudi arabia and iran were enemies before oil was a valuable commodity. saudi arabia and iran will be enemies after oil is an important commodity. and right now, causing chaos, isn't it, among oil producers. >> right. that was the big sticking point. saudi arabia said to actually have blocked this deal because iran was in no way participating. if iran cranks up production then saudi arabia has to as well because the two are in this endless battle for market share
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over oil. >> sara eisen, thank you. of course, why is iran going to hold back on oil production now that sanctions have been lifted. this is the first time they can really go out and make some money on the open market. >> of course. i'm more impressed with what's happening in brazil. why are people so bullish? the country is deal with the zika virus. it's got systemic corruption. an impeachment of the president. the olympics could be a disaster, and yet everyone is very bullish about brazil for some reason. >> it is really going to be very difficult. and i don't know, again, you brought up the zika virus. that makes the situation even tougher. i just wonder how it's going to impact americans and other people deciding whether they go down to the olympics or not. >> there are a lot of things that seem ominous about it, but you'll recall when the world cup was going to be in brazil, a lot of people predicted disaster.
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