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>> a few tenant leaders and a 28-year-old kill from the bronx can reshape a presidential race. >> thank you very much. chris hayes is up next. tonight on "all in," live >> rumble, let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. can bernie do it, do it again? can he win the big apple. a new poll today shows sanders has narrowed clinton, hillary clinton's national lead to two points. look at that 50-48 and closing on her, perhaps passing her. sanders gained four points while clinton dropped three. you know the math. meanwhile in new york state, the site of tomorrow's big primary, the democratic polls are tightening. sanders is predicting an upset matching the surprise victory last month. here is what he said this morning on "the today show".
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>> let's look at the real poll tomorrow. generally speaking polling underestimated how we do in elections. we were 25 points down in michigan and ended up winning michigan. >> the fight for new york state has proven already to be the most contentious of the democratic race to date. sanders has attacked clinton over and over in her judgment, that's a nice word siting repeatedly that more than $600,000 she took from goldman sachs for speeches. here is the ad that senator sanders released on that top pick. >> wall street banks shower washington politicians with campaign contributions and speaking fees and what do they get for it? a rigged economy, tax breaks and bailouts held in place but a corrupt campaign finance system and while washington politics are paid $200,000 an hour for speeches, they oppose raising the living wage to $15 an hour. >> the result is a far harsher tone and transformed senator sanders who is now making the
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kinds of sharper edged attacks that some of his advisors regretted he did not deploy sooner. i'm joined by jeff merkley of oregon. one thing i raised is he talks about washington politics taking speaking fees. they aren't allowed to. he knows it because he can't take them. you know it. why would he put out something not true like that. you can't take a speaking fee. >> you bet. >> why would he say that when nobody in washington is allowed to do that. >> campaign contributions -- >> no, he said speaking fees. >> he didn't -- >> he said washington politicians can take speaking fees and they are not allowed to so why did he say it? >> when they are in office -- >> well, and certainly there are washington politicians who leave office and take speaking fees -- >> why are you quibbling? >> exactly. >> you're quibbling. this is what people don't like about politicians. senator --
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>> the hard -- >> can you give a speech for money? >> i cannot while i'm in office. >> can a congressperson? >> cannot while in office. >> does bernie sanders know this to be a fact he can't give a speech for money nor can a member of congress. >> a former member can -- >> we're not talking ability a former member. >> you're quibbling. >> the ad i can play 1,000 times and everybody watching will get the message. washington politicians take speaking money from corporations. it's not loud. >> underlying issue -- >> i'm going to stop making my point, i made it. >> large speaking fees -- >> who are they? >> they are speeches -- >> who are we talking about doing this. >> we have two candidates in the race and we're blessed with two very capable candidates, either of whom would be far better -- >> bernie sanders doesn't give speeches for money because he's not allowed to, hillary clinton isn't allowed to and he's hit her for it. >> yes. >> the ad sucks. >> the ad is not complete. >> today senator sanders
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campaign is alleging serious apparent violations of campaign finance laws saying secretary clinton paid her campaign staff without side money in response clinton campaign manager issued a statement accusing sanders of resorting to baseless accusations of illegal actions. can you explain that charge from sanders about secretary clinton -- >> i can't explain the details but it has to do with when you set up a joint accounts money is supposed to be distributed but expenses are paid. did they go in the appropriate fashion? that's the heart of this. the reason he's raising this issue is that you have a massive amount of money in the campaign system. that's really -- >> that's true. >> and this fundraiser was just held $350,000 to sponsor the fundraiser. ordinary americans cannot connect to that. they are lucky to get 350 online or $35 in the course of a year. 350,000. does say there is something extraordinary about our campaign finance system this flow of cash
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is corrupting our system. that's the fundamental point. >> what is the law, though, that he's getting the press on and clinton people are responding to? the law seems to be saying hillary clinton is paying having her staff paid by this sort of joint thing she has with the dnc when in fact she should be paying the staff salaries directly. >> they will get into the nitty gritty but a distraction from the core issue. they will wrestle with did the staff get double compensated or not -- >> let me ask you about yourself. >> that's not the issue. >> i had candidates that i respected that you don't have a big following within the peer group. nothing wrong with that. fascinating candidate. explain why you're the only person in the body with 45 democrats including bernie sanders who caucuses with you. why only you? >> well, most of my colleagues made their endorsement early on when bernie sanders was expected to never get above 5% and never considered to be a strong contested situation.
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they weighed in with the person they anticipated would be the winner. i decided to make my endorsement close to when the ballots come out in oregon so it's relevant to the state of oregon. the ballots go out ten days from now and on the big issues facing america on the issue of pivoting from fossil fuels to are you kneeble energies to taking on global warning on campaign cash in the system, those are issues and certainly on foreign trade, trade where we're computing directly with people, bernie sanders has been a very, very powerful voice saying we need to change the existing paradigm -- >> do you think you might be able to get him to join the party? i'm serious. why doesn't he join the democratic party? >> in terms of campaigning, he can't be on the ballot unless he's running as a democrat. he's informally joined -- >> he keeps being asked the question are you a democrat and he says i'm running as a democrat. why doesn't he just join the party? >> in his state he can't
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register as a democrat -- >> trump running on the republican side, he's not a regular party member, either. it's strange. >> it's strange to get him to the superdelegates and democrats wished they didn't have and republicans wished they did. shows the irony. >> i like democracy and direct voting primaries in every state. no conventions and caucuses. primaries in every state, everybody gets to vote and add it up at the end. >> do you remember that proposal for rotating regional primary? an excellent idea. >> i would like to move it around, too. thank you jeff merkley. >> oregon. >> it's a toughfy. people say nevada out here. don't say that. >> i'm joined by patrick heelly with the new york times. thank you for joining us. you're a theater maven. the bernie thursday night was
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rock them sock them and these were actually arms were flying in the air both of them. they were over -- i'm not going to knock somebody for interrupting but what did you make of that. >> where did this guy come from. this is what advisers were hoping he would start doing back in october with the speaking fees. you know, tagging her with taking big fees and punching it over and over and over again that ad you shows saying her name insen waiting that he's got these dub use influences. >> jeff weaver out there, her campaign manager doesn't pull punches, he keeps saying it. how do you say after the campaign is over i know we said she sold her soul to the devil but that's behind us now. let me ask you about the speaking fee thing. it does remind me like a rocky movie. the eye closing and the other guy keeps punching and $7,000 in speaking fees, pounding it and
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when he's not pounding that, he's pounding the iraq war. he just, what made him start now? >> yeah, i mean -- >> does anybody know why? >> bob kerry said if he started doing that back in the fall it would have been devastating against hillary clinton. it took him a long time to come around to the fact he was going to have to go really, really tough on her. felt like he needed to spend a lot of time introducing himself being positive. >> is this a good time to close with the fist? the numbers don't look good for bernie. she's probably -- anything can happen. i mean, honestly, anything can happen. there could be something with e-mails but he could over take her and win -- i think he's got a shot tomorrow in new york state. i really do. i'm watching the numbers close. >> tough in new york state -- >> the nominee and he's got to hold her hand in the air and tell the young people hey, she's not bad. >> yeah. >> liable enough or something
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like that. >> how is this guy going to leave the stage ultimately if she gets ahead but not able to win it with pledged delegates, you know, his people will feel like this is being taken from them and some big way. he's going to have to reckon with that. you're right, the whole question is why now? is it too late? the strange thing is is that bernie sanders has a long pattern of going to sort of insinuation and sarcasm and presents himself as a very positive issue oriented candidate who never has done a negative attack ad in his life but you saw the ad that he just -- you showed it that he did all but saying secretary clinton gets all this money from wall street that she's this typical washington politician, you know, and yet, you know, isn't going to stand up for the minimum wage and the banks. he hasn't threaded that but keeps sort of suggesting it and it's not that unusual for politicians but the thing is bernie offers himself as not a
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politician. >> you're right. he's said i don't attack and dog a deadly attack right now and that's one reason he's still in the game. i don't think it's good for democrats. i don't buy the debate is good for everybody. that was true a month ago. good to see you back in the game. >> thanks. >> you can do anything. i'm joined -- bob kerry on your call list joined by democratic congresswoman who supports hillary clinton. so, congresswoman, thanks for coming on the show. you're from brooklyn where everything seems to be happening these days. >> yes. >> my question to you, what do you make of the fighting about senator sanders attacking hillary for the mirky campaign transactions, which i don't understand exactly going after her for speaking fees. it's getting to be very much one of those sort of i'm the clean guy and she's not. >> well -- >> it's pretty personal. >> i think it's desperation quite frankly. we're down to the taxes here, new york state is a very
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important state and i think he's really trying to do everything he can to win the race, and at the end of the day, you know, the hypocrisy reigns supreme. he said he wouldn't go negative but here we are in the midst of a negative campaign. >> republican front runner donald trump unveiled a new attack on hillary clinton this weekend so we have a cross attack calls the former secretary of state crooked. here he is. >> yeah. >> she's been crooked from the beginning and to think that she has a shot at being our president crooked hillary clinton, we can't let it happen. >> that's like lying ted. to explain why attacks are different than trumps, let's watch the senator. >> donald trump is brilliant by coming up with statements you guys respond to. what i have said is we have a corrupt campaign finance system and we're --
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>> you've gone further. you have said, you have said she accepts to money and that affects her judgment. >> of course it does. >> in that case the entire government is crooked. >> $600,000 for free speeches and one of the big 20 minutes long. he's going after hillary clinton. he calls it judgment. i think he's going after character. what do you think? >> i think clearly he's going after her character and his hope is to show that he's the pristine candidate here when we know that's not the case. >> why not? >> well, first of all, there are many issues that we have caught him in hypocrisy with, as well, whether it's gun violence and his nra or being in a city of new york and voting against immigration reform. they all have to carry their own
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issues and their own luggage and the voters will ultimately determine, you know, whose integrity is in tact at the end. >> to you think he's in the take with the nra? >> i haven't had a chance to look at the filings. i wouldn't go as far as to say that but clearly, he was concerned about their interest in the ways that he's voted with respect to gun violence prevention. >> well, if all these candidates could have your eloquence, madam, it would be better. thank you. it's great to meet you. please come back on the show a lot. congresswoman evette clark. >> thank you so much, chris. >> coming up donald trump's hostile takeover. the republican party seems to be taking effect. two thirds of republicans agree if trump has the most delegates pure and simple he should be the nominee. trump should be the winner, no rule playing at the convention in cleveland. anyway, trump is at war with the
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party bosses calling them bosses, a great new york line and the ones looking to shut him down and out at the convention this summer plus, high stakes for president obama with the red hot issue of immigration and what to do with the parents of kids that are here that are now citizens, born here. how do you spare millions of illegal immigrants from being deported. why are the least popular candidates that want leading the presidential race is hillary clinton and donald trump have the highest unfavorable numbers and trump is the most popular ever? why he has the most publicity it works both ways. let me finish with a problem of mixed bags how you like some things about one candidate, bernie and others about the other. this is "hardball" a place for politics. we needed 30 new hires for our call center.
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welcome back to "hardball" where you can call it trump's card. the chair reince priebus, that really is his name and the rules are the rules. donald trump says he's fighting for democracy. that's a great word, by the way, and we all believe in it. party elites are trying to steal the nomination from adele get selection process. he calls corrupt and rigged. he won more votes than anyone in the race and therefore could get the nomination over anyone else. over the weekend he turned up
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the heat on priebus and opponents. >> you have a system that's rigged. you have system that's crooked. we have a system that's got a lot of problems and a system that doesn't allow the people to vote in many cases and our system they are not even voting. the bosses are picking the delegates. >> it's a corrupt system. you're basically buying these people. >> they go out and whining and dining. you have no idea what's going on with those delegates. it's a crooked process, folks. >> the system is a bad, bad system and they got to do something about it. the republican national committee, they better get going because i'll tell you what, you have a rough july. >> 62% say the people with the post votes like a basketball game. football game, any game, the side with the most numbers wins, the candidates with the most votes get the nomination.
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registered republicans believe that. i'm joined by dan donovan, rep certains parts of brooklyn. thank you, congressman, thank you for joining us. what is it about trump that people like? >> i think you struck a nerve with the voters. people of america are frustrated, angry, they feel that our friends don't respect us any longer, that our enemies don't fear us, that america used to be the leading nation in the world and we lead from behind and i think mr. trump has hit that nerve and he's telling people some of the things they wanted to hear for a very, very long time. >> well, here is somebody different from trump and every personality way and position. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell seemed to take a veiled hit saying he was optimistic there would be a second ballot in cleveland. let's watch mitch. >> it is important for everybody
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to understand that the convention rules will require you to get 1237 delegate votes and until one gets to 1237, they will not be the nominee. so there is some candidates suggesting it's somehow tricky to follow the rules of the convention. we'll follow the rules of the convention. 60% of the delegates bound on the first ballot will be free to do whatever they want to on the second ballot and i'm optimistic there may be a second ballot. >> congressman, these guys behave like members of a guild, the masters of the cloth hall. the dutch master cigar box with them deciding who is a republican, what the rules are. how does that square with democracy, the people the voters seem to like trump? >> yeah, i think the rules are the rules and we should abide by them. there is talk about the rules committee at the convention can change the rules at the convention and that's the thing that's angering mr. trump and supporters and it should anger
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every voter. you disenfranchising voters who voted for their particular candidate of choice and said even though you voted for your candidate of choice, the person you want to represent, we can change the rules at the convention and your vote might not count. it's not so much about what senator mcconnell is talking about and that's angering a lot of voters. >> robert, what happens if trump announces going into cleveland that there will be a meeting across the street from the convention hall, he hires the hall and invites delegates to go over there and says we're all walking together if they cheat me? happens to the republican party if he says that's the deal here and the party will walk. >> you know as well as i do what that would mean. the party would be divided. it comes as paul is trying to reach out to unbound delegates and argue if trump is close,
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help him get over the line and so the party establishment, the leadership, they don't want unbound delegates if trump is at let's say 1200 or 1150 to move towards trump to avoid the scenario. they try to have a second ballot and want to keep the 1237 threshold. >> anyway, donald trump tweeted today quote lying ted cruz voted against super storm sandy aid and september 11th help. many new yorkers devastated cruz hates new york. congressman, it's unbelievable the amount of traps voting against hurricane sandy and 9/11 money and the new york values line. they are haunting him now tomorrow. >> yeah, you're absolutely right, chris. what happens is votes people take at some point in their careers when you don't think it will affect them, senator trump, senator cruz is now realizing the effects of that. you know, i find a lot of people
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down here in washington think that new york is very rich and should be paying for its own care, own health care workers should be paying for the recovery from super storm sandy and the federal government's duty. i think senator cruz is realizing some votes are coming back to haunt him and polls that suggest maybe governor kasich might come in second tomorrow. >> yeah, i was slow to learn the true nature of the horror. i later got to know with great difficulty the hardship people are facing on the areas along the water on staten island of course plenty of people are doing great work up there and of course a breezy point in places like that is horn remember does what is happening. the electrical systems destroyed. there you are and very few people got to know the nature.
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thank you for bringing it up again. dan donovan representing one of the interesting parts of the united states bay ridge brooklyn, one of the great places in the world and of course staten island. robert costa, thank you. key obama administration policy is on the line as the supreme court weighs the president's immigration policy. you don't know what roberts is going to do. there are all kinds of rumors. this is "hardball" the place for politics.
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two people are dead as a deportation and allow them to work legally in the u.s. lower courts blocked the implantation after 26 states led by texas challenged the action and accused president obama of abusing his power and ignoring the congressional authority over
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the issue of immigration. well today, the supreme court heard arguments from both sides and a decision on the fate of the president executive order is expected in june. anyway, nbc news pete williams was inside the court for today's argument. so which way is the wind blowing? do we know at all? up or down for the president? >> right down the middle, chris. it did seem for -- at the end of the oral argument like there is a 4-4 tie. four votes to say that the states have standing to bring this four that they don't and four votes to say the president has the power to do this, four to say he doesn't. it takes five and i don't know where the fifth vote was on either one of the two questions. it did seem at the end of the day the court is tied, however, the court is obviously going out of its way to try to avoid 4-4 ties. i should say if it does end in a tie here, that would be a defeat for administration because it would leave the lower court ruling in place that blocked the
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enforcement of the program since the president announced it in november of 2014. so that would be a bad thing for administration, a victory for the states. they would continue to duke it out of the lower courts and that wouldn't be resolved until long after president obama is gone but the court could try to find someway out of this to find a fifth vote for something to narrow the injunctioninjunction, reword the memorandum so it doesn't have the effect of allowing some of the benefits it does now. those are some of the possible outcomes. remember, we saw this when the court put out that unusual order after the argument in the obamacare case. the court was trying to find a middle ground. maybe we'll see that again but doesn't seem like an obvious winner after today's argument. >> 4-4 for a long time since we have eight. thank you pete williams. joining me right now is u.s. senator democrat from hawaii.
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senator, thanks for joining us. >> good to be here, chris. >> it looks to me like a lot of people are forced to go back to the 4-4 tie the apal let level stopped and also panes 5 million people and deing deported. is that likely to happen? >> exactly. so a tie 4-4 decision would really indicate that this is not the way things should happen and that the republicans in the senate should do their jobs and have a hearing on the president's nominee and we should get on with the advice and consent because we can't have this court vacancy going on for a year, which is where we're heading right now. but this, this particular decision is going to be so important as you said to the 5 million undocumented for families and under pinning the process of executive is nothing new.
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they are republican ex democratic presidents issued executive orders and taken administrative actions related to immigration. and so this is as far as i'm concerned the president is well within his authority to issue the executive actions but it impacts 5 million people families who live in daily fear of being deported, not to mention the 11 million undocumented people in our country and as an immigrant myself, when i was out there on the steps of the supreme court today, i could really relate to so many of the ad va kits would help. >> you came from japan, right? >> right. my mother brought me to this country in hopes of a better life because she escaped an abusive marriage from my mother in japan. we started with nothing. that's the dream that so many people have in our country and why the president has said in
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addition to the executive orders, which i totally support, we need to do immigration reform. >> a stunning example of a better america. >> thank you so much, aloha. >> aloha. an unusual phenomenon, the least popular candidates are the two front runners. we know more about them and the ones we don't know much about, how is it americans are forever voting for the people in negative reactions. you're watching "hardball" the place for politics.
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welcome back to "hardball." william penn state avoid popularity and seemed both front runners in the presidential race have taken that advice to heart. according to the latest journal poll, both donald trump and hillary clinton are seen in the least favorable light compared to the 2016 conten dants. hillary clinton outweighs the positive and bernie sanders gets a net positive of nine. negative 41% at negative 441%,
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donald trump gets the worst popularity rating ever. ted cruz negative 23% and ohio governor john kasich is the only republican seen positively at plus 12. but popularity aside, both clinton and trump continue to lead in the all important delegate count by large margins. joining me now is the hardball round table and what a round table it is. "huffington post" is an msnbc political analyst and nbc news senior political reporter. live up to your title analyst, howard. analyze and this is a great teaching moment. why do the least popular get the delegates? >> it fits the mood about politics. people are not necessarily upset about their own personal lives and politics and politicians loathe in the attitude and spirit out there in the country that covered a lot of campaigns,
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more corrosive now than ever. not for things for the most part. donald trump running against the muslims and mexicans and ted cruz against new york values. on and on and on it goes. it's the atmosphere and strategy of the candidates, which is negative. >> donald trump finds somebody less popular than him to fight with. >> absolutely. >> where do they come from? reince priebus, reince priebus -- >> he's under central -- >> these foils, these perfect targets, elmer fudds, you're rooting for bugs bunny all the time here. >> or the road runner. >> or the road runner. it's is also to some degree is like howard said about positivity versus negativity and you have bernie sanders and john kasich trying to run a positive campaign but the only one -- >> is he ms. congeniality. the most popular votes?
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>> his numbers are good because nobody is attacking him. that helps a lot. we should add president obama's numbers keep going up. that is an interesting thing. that will help hillary a lot. >> did you see the market today? 18,000 points. let me ask you about one reason. bernie sanders, i'll say nice things at the end of the show. he's benefitting from the republicans playing a very smart game here. they don't attack him. they want him. they are not going to get him probably but they want him. >> they do. >> a socialist, can you imagine. they will be doing the quote things. >> there are plenty of crossoverers of people who are donald trump supporters and bernie sanders supporters who go -- >> why don't the right wing people attack bernie? they attack hillary brutally? >> they want the revolution. they want the revolution. they want to feel the burn. [ laughter ] >> i agree. to a certain extend, they are cheering bernie on because they like what bernie is saying. it's not all strategy.
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i agree with you. >> no chance of winning. >> they didn't wait -- >> yeah, they would love to attack -- >> mega star george clooney put us all to shame today. he hates the role of big money as it pours into his door. he and his wife alma held a fundraiser but clooney says he'll do whatever it takes to put a democrat in the house. talk about ruthless. let's listen. >> i really like bernie. i think his, what he's saying in this election is important if you're a democrat. again, to have these conversations i hope he stays in and if he were to win the nomination, i can do whatever i can including if asked a fundraiser like this again. >> i was watching him here. he's fantastic. creating movies like the desen -- "descendants." >> if you're hillary, you don't love an interview because george
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clooney said bernie run until june 7th and hillary's staff wants bernie to get out of the race and move on and let hillary win. >> hillary needs georgia the more. >> look -- >> do you know him personally, george? >> no. i wish. >> i've met him. [ laughter ] >> he was also saying i did the same thing with barack obama when he was running for president in 2008. >> why do people pay $337,000 to go have dinner and sit next to george clooney and his wife and hillary clinton? >> that question -- >> $300,000. >> that question answers itself if you live in hollywood. >> hollywood power is democratic, not all of it but most of it is democratic and predominantly prohillary at this point, not entirely. that's how hollywood was organized. medieval or structured. right now george clooney is as close to barack obama as you'll get in hollywood. >> what was it like in 2008?
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very split. >> a lot of tough guys. wall street journal poll, national poll reveals markets curved enthusiasm and on the top was donald trump. 68% say they won't vote for him. cruz was next at 51 and clinton at 58 and sanders 48 and kasich also had the least amount. never heard of -- [ laughter ] >> that is also attitude, which they are going to vote for one of those guys. >> basic idea about politics and politicians, get them all away from me. they don't do anything. they accomplish nothing and the only reason kasich, that kasich that 48% say they won't vote for kasich, most don't know enough -- >> bernie had 28,000 people in prospect park in brooklyn. how down get a you'd like that.
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>> it's anti establishment. if i were the president to be worried about this poll, i would be a member of congress because that's anti establishment way. >> for the first time ever. >> don't think -- >> they never do. >> donald trump is the most unpopular candidate in the history of the poll. it says that donald trump is unpopular and may have a hard time with the president. abc -- >> who has the best chance -- >> hillary clinton's numbers. >> who has the best chance -- >> i think ted cruz has a good chance. these mcconnell interviews suggest. >> no, that is like -- >> the establishment wants to take -- that's true. >> think of it. >> you are right. >> really want to take it. >> i agree. they are left, the establishment left with ted cruz as their savior, a guy with a 58% negative rating who is hated -- >> you made the point earlier, who has a worse rating the 9%.
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when george will gets together with mitch mcconnell and reince priebus and the establish -- that is the masters. it's the dutch masters cigar box and the dutch men that decide who is in the guild and not. they are deciding but the public says screw the guild. we pick the candidate. >> that's why it will be so intense when you go to the convention in cleveland because if they do do as what perry is saying and take it away from donald trump, they will have a base that will be incredibly angry at them. >> we roll with hue huet. he's a gentleman arguing with me, why are so many conservative or right wing radio talk show hosts who have three-hour shows every day relentlessly trashing trump, relentlessless and trump is doing well? >> in their view, trump is not a real conservative but i think we're learning that fox news and talk radio which we thought was overwhelmingly strong, not as strong as we thought they were. >> yeah. >> the talk show, the radio talk show hosts are part of the establishment now. >> yes. >> not the old washington
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establishment. it's the -- it's another kind of vetting establishment. >> red state. >> people are so upset with politics now, they don't want to listen to the people they use to regard as rebelous. >> the radio show -- >> how about the guy with the white finger in the air, rush. >> he's very true. >> so smart. >> yeah. >> anyway, just like george clooney. thanks for staying with us. up next, these three will tell me something we don't know. this is "hardball" the place for politics.
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the united states will send 217 more troops to iraq to help government forces fight isis. the additional forces will serve in advisory and training roles. the announcement was made by ash carter that sat down with lester holt. he admitted it's never easy to put more american troops in harp's way. >> as you add additional personnel and they are advising lower down the chain, does that put more americans at higher risk? are they closer -- >> the iraqis are still in the lead. that doesn't change, and lester, americans are at risk today every single day here. as secretary of defense. i take that more seriously than anything else. i want our troops to be effective, but i want them also to be as safe as possible
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consistent with that. it's very important to do this. we have to and we will isil. we need to get that done as soon as possible. and that means being more aggressive in the moves we make. >> we'll be right back.
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we're back with "hardball" roundtable. of course, howard, tell me something i don't know. >> you bernie sanders is going to fight to the end, you know that -- >> george clooney told him to. >> the evidence is out there. put he not only is going to keep one lawsuit going against the
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democratic national committee, i won't bore you with the details, a bitter lawsuit, there's going to be more. there's going to be one more for sure on campaign spending laws and how the dnc has applied them and maybe a third -- >> does he feel aggrieved, does he really think he has a case? >> he's permanently and intuitively and professionally aggrieved, that's bernie sanders. >> every time he's not actually talking -- >> you said earlier in the show that one of your guests said bernie started out really calm and nice and didn't get nasty till the end. that's because nobody in politics introduces themselves by accusation. they start nice and get there. >> hillary's feeling the bern, i don't know if you know that, that's my surprising thing. no, she's not feeling the bernie burn. she said in a morning radio talk show that she loves her hot sauce. >> for the latina vote? >> her favorite right now is ninja squirrel. >> there's no political aspect
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for this? i thought it was for mexican food. >> trump's numbers are so bad, there's real talk now the democrats potentially, very small chance, potentially could win the house. not only the senate but the house as well. >> who are you hearing from? >> larry sanders. >> okay. he's got the numbers. thank you. we meet every day. >> we do. >> when we return, let me finish with "mixed bags." you like something about one candidate, candidate "a," like clinton, you like something else about candidate "b," you can't get everything from the same candidate so you stress and then you vote. for our call center. i'm spending too much time hiring and not enough time in my kitchen. (announcer) need to hire fast? go to and post your job to over 100 of the web's leading job boards with a single click. then simply select the best candidates from one easy to review list. you put up one post and the next day you have all these candidates. makes my job a lot easier. (announcer) over 400,000 businesses
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when we finish with a familiar problem we face when it comes time to take side. how often do we find we agree with candidate "a" with some issues, candidate "b" on others? i like bernie sanders' foreign policy, i think he gets it. he's learned from vote snaum. the quagmire when lyndon johnson allowed the war to escalate. the more bombs we dropped, the more troops headed south from hanoi. they, the north vietnamese and the viet cong were going to stay. we eventually, whatever time it was, were going to come home. this we learned was the fundamental fact of our military interventions. no matter how many bombs we dropped, lives we lost or took,
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we would eventually come home and our adversary in that case the north vietnamese and viet cong, were going to stay. the afghans of all stripes are going to be in afghanistan. the iraqis, sunni, shia, and kurd, are going to stay and we eventually are going to come home. domestic policy i leave to hillary clinton. she knows what can get done in a two-party system where the other side has huge advantages when it comes to stopping anything from happening. i think she accepts the system that has worked for this country with modification from the beginning. mixed capitalism. that means government intervention on matters of utmost vitality, civil rights, social security, health care, public education. but in general alliance on the efficiency of free markets. this isn't the first time and certainly won't be the last when i spot matters where several candidates offer strengths. the only way to get it right is to run yourself, perhaps that is when you think about it the best reason to run, the belief you've got it figured or at least better than the other people do. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us.
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"all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" live from brooklyn -- >> i'll tell you what, you're going to have a rough july at that convention. >> donald trump calls for a show biz takeover of the republican convention. as the rnc tries to tamp down hostile rhetoric. >> there's no room for threatening the delegates. >> tonight, more republican infighting out in the open ahead of tomorrow's vote in new york. >> i'm increasingly optimistic there actually may be a second ballot. dems of new york. is the bernie line of attack on hillary going too far? plus a look back at the last time a new york primary really matter rd are and why johnny depp is apologizing to an entire continent. >> we disrespect australian law, they will tell you fondly. >> all that when "all in" starts right now. good evening from beautiful brooklyn, new york c i


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