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we're going to win and make america great again! america first, folks! america first. and good morning. it is tuesday, april 19th. did you hear him? >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry i'm late. know what i was doing? >> what? >> winning. i'm so tired of it. [ laughter ] >> can you imagine being late? ever? >> i'm always late. >> what? >> i'm such a girl. i'm early for everything. >> george w. bush i was the only eight years in my life when i was on time and my phone never rang at inappropriate moments were the years i worked for george w. bush. every moment before and since i've been late. >> my local news background you never miss page and you're never late. right, willie? >> never. >> can you imagine? >> you're so rude. >> what? >> you.
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>> republicans saying we're late? is that why people hate us? >> what are you talking about? i'm not late. >> all right. with us on set. -- >> no. i'm not going to be insulted like that. 6:01 eastern every day. [ laughter ] >> willie, what was i doing? >> final ladle of pourj for the bowl. >> know what i'm getting attacked for? >> here it is. >> yep. >> too much. >> lead survey. >> at least you're clean. managing editor of bloomberg politics and co-host, with all due respect, that airs at 6:00 on msnbc mark hall bred. >> you had a shaving incident? >> it's only tuesday! >> it wasn't a shaving incident. >> it's all right. >> it was a bobcat.
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>> you cannot get it together. >> all i can think of is -- >> just hold the tissue up to your face. it's okay. everybody knows. >> yesterday i came in not feeling great but i showed up at least. nicole wallace. and in washington -- >> oh. >> msnbc he's here on time. he's been waiting. all right. we've got a big day here. this is the day you're not late for -- wisconsin. >> wisconsin makes it bigger because trump did so badly there. yeah. >> yeah. >> nicole, talk about, if you could -- stop that, mika. talk about how wisconsin went so poorly. thank you for -- so wisconsin
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went so badly for donald trump. it was a complete reset. and he's just screwed. right? >> listen, i think -- >> there's no way he's going to be able to do anything. >> i think you find out how much politicians despise losing when they have a night like wisconsin. but i don't think you learn too much more than that. so i think what we learned is donald trump really, really, really hates losing. he made, you know, a lot of people debated whether or not he was capable of -- look at you! but that was a reset. we can go down the columnist -- this time he went too far. we have polls we're going to show today. he's blowing them out in new york. >> the next six dates. >> blowing them out. >> in pennsylvania. >> pennsylvania. >> yeah. he made a lot of changes but
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benefitted from the calendar because the northeast as strong as he was in the south. the northeast is strong for him. he's in a position after today to get back on track to get a majori tity before the conventi >> he couldn't have turned a better state. his home state of new york. can he take the punch for iowa? he took the punch. wisconsin he took the punch and he's there. >> not only take the punch but getting an organization around him. he's shown discipline that nobody said he was going to show. nobody. >> all right. i'm going to have some fun here. >> and neither of his two remaining opponents have been able engage him. there's not been a single moment where they've got him in a one-on-one rhetorical match up. >> i think people around him that wanted him to do things differently and make tweaks to sort of stop the tweeting and all the massive media over exposure. their hands were strengthened by
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wisconsin. >> yeah. >> and the same way that george w. bush lost new hampshire by 19 points. when candidates lose you find out how desperately they need to win. >> here are some of the predictions about donald trump's dismal future. two weeks ago after his loss in the wisconsin primary, before the votes were counted, it was wrote in the "washington post" this time it really is the end of trump. really. dana millbeck's column. the wall street journal declared wisconsin trump. stop. even just one week ago the new york times had a front page story that donald trump was, quote, losing ground. today is election day in new york. and polls in some places are already open. the last poll we saw donald trump was doing very well. up 33% over ted cruz. looking ahead to next week, trump has a commanding 15-point
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lead in pennsylvania with 41% of the vote. the morning call poll has john kasich in second place at 26%. and cruz at 23. and in new jersey, a state that votes during the first week of june, trump surpassed a majority leading the way with 52%, according to a new rutgers -- >> let's go through these polls. the guy is absolutely dominating in three massive states. >> yeah. i mean, look. rubio got out of the raise and neither cruz nor kasich moved up much. it's not about winning the polls. the polls can give him hope that he can get before the convention. >> if he's over 50% in every one of the states. what does it do to 1237? >> it means he can get on track to do it. he can get sidetracked in new york and indiana. it's close now. you can play with the numbers. we were playing with the numbers end lessly yesterday.
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i believe if he performs the way he's likely to today and next week, he'll be on track to get a majority. >> to get 1237. >> that doesn't mean he can can't be derailed. >> delegates aside, this has been an ongoing parlor game for us since last july. >> yeah. >> the ceiling is 15. the ceiling is 20. the ceiling is 25. we can show you literally three hours of tape of bad predictions going through last week after wisconsin. his ceiling -- he's over 50% in the polls. >> yeah. you know, you're going through the headlines, there's been so much projection from the press since the beginning. since june when he came down the escalator hoping and rouoting fr an outcome that donald trump wouldn't do well. when you see the weakness, you see the outpours of "this is it." it's unwise given what he could do in the northeast. he could be on track to get the
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1237. he's going to be close to the 1237 to make a strong case at convention that you can't give it to somebody else. >> you have people who are -- every time you predict that something good is going to happen to donald trump in the polls, you get the e-mails. why are you in bed with an nazi? the fact is, johnny manziel. he's kind of a toured. but if he's playing for the nfl next year, he's a jerk. he's not nice to people. but every time he throws a 15 and out and makes a completion, i don't want the announcer to go johnny manziel he's a horrible person. he threw that 15 and out but this next -- that's what he's going to do badly because he's a horrible -- no. tell me whether his team is going to win or lose. you're not the pope. you're not jesus
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>>well, we're -- >> the voters will make the judgment. and, yes, a quarterback far different than a guy that wants to be president of the united states. let the editorial page handle whether he's worthy of being the president of the united states. give me the analysis and nobody has been able to do it. a lot of people made fools of themselves because of the last nine months because of it. >> i mean, cover the campaign as it is and not as you would wish it to be. >> yes. >> so, i mean, you know, i got to say that what david and all those columns were running. i wrote a column saying trump isn't over. he lost in wisconsin but the calendar looks good for him. and, you know, he's doing even better than i expected him in the preprimary polls in new york. it was clear from the start he's way ahead. he's going into familiar
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territory. very good territory for him and, you know, i think marc is absolutely right. he's back on track. certainly potentially. you can almost say probably but not quite. to win the majority before the convention, and, frankly, so wh what. if he doesn't get quite to the majority, you have convince that this republican party is really going to try to give the nomination to somebody else. if trump is close. i never bought that and i don't buy it now. >> i don't buy it now that ted cruz is finishing in third place. the guy that is the one guy. the one guy that can beat donald trump. no he can't even beat john kasich. look at the polls he finishes in third in the northeast states. this isn't a wyoming caucus. it's the biggest states. >> i would have made a difference choice and they might -- i don't know. >> we wonder why they didn't
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throw it in for john kasich. >> hello! >> a guy who is two term. >> hello. >> two-term governor. >> i don't get it. >> you're throwing it in with ted cruz. >> they don't agree with him on any significant policy pillar. >> if you want to try to control the outcome then make the move and go there. make the right choice. >> and their head to head match ups out today. john kasich light years ahead of hillary clinton and the only republican that easily beats hillary clinton. so you're trading in donald trump for a guy that does as badly in the general election match up as trump? >> and mark my words -- >> kasich would blow her out. >> do better with donald trump. >> we don't get why john kasich isn't doing better. he has his chance today in new york where he campaigned extensively. >> by the way, if you're driving in the car, please, please, put
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down the whisky and listen to me. okay. i'm going to take you home. follow my voice. okay. >> please don't -- >> john kasich is a -- >> clinton at 39%. paul ryan 45-44. the hero paul ryan will ride in and maybe beat her by one point. ted cruz losing to hillary. donald trump losing to hillary. the only people that matter are john kasich and ted cruz. everybody encircled a guy they loathe. >> and they probably don't want more than what they would get with donald trump. >> john kasich his establishment, and yet the establishment doesn't take the guy, willie, who is up by, what, 12 points? and has been consistently. >> and has been consistently. it's the stupidestist thing. the establishment is making one
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stupid move. >> the nbc wall street poll the national number, which doesn't matter, it has kasich at 40 -- marco rubio had 20% around the last time around. how does it get divvied up when rubio gets out? donald trump got 10%. he's up 10. cruz got eight points. he's up eight. remember the argument once the other guys get out they're going to rush to the anti-trump. half of them went to trump. >> right. >> all right. >> has trump said all along he said everybody is adding up is not for me. i'm going to get the voters and he has. >> if kasich cannot do well in pennsylvania, the state where he was born, he doesn't have much of an argument. >> i wonder if he gotten the backing from the people that tried to push cruz to stop
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donald trump i wonder -- >> that's my point. a two-term governor from ohio. >> with the national security vision in line with the world -- lindsey graham and the national security establishment. i'm surprised he didn't assemble sort of a bunch of generals for -- i'm surprised that kasich didn't assemble a national security coalition and put them out. because the republican establishment views cruz's record on intel and defense with deep suspicion. >> right he's great on national security. >> on the economy. >> he was the first since 1920s to balance it four years in a row. a conservative that can work with democrats. again, this isn't about kasich versus trump. this is about kasich versus cruz. >> right. >> why has the establishment chosen the guy that is barry
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go goldwater's ugly stepson. politically, this guy is going to win nine or ten states. i have a lot of friends that are really embarrassing themselves right now by telling me that he can win the general election against hillary clinton. this beautiful boston red sox cup has a far better chance of picking upswing states. >> i love the red sox. >> yeah. >> go ahead. >> no. i agree. and it's contradictory, as if the establishment is saying, well, you know, we have to go with cruz because he's ahead of kasich, when, in fact, the logic would lead them to say we have to go with trump because he's ahead of everybody. if you're going to somehow get rid of or bypass the clear frontrunner and incur the wrath of the base, why not go to the guy who can do well in the general election as opposed to the guy who couldn't do well in
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the general election. and who you don't like in the first place. i don't understand it. and that's why i have no faith in the party establishment whatsoever. >> oh, my -- >> to do a the convention. >> all right. last night -- >> i know the three reasons -- >> he's behind marco rubio in delegates. he has a lot of positions that are moderate that the establishment thought if he did well, trump would kill him off. he rubbed people the wrong way. we love him. but he rubbed people the wrong way. >> yeah. unlike ted cruz. >> who has? i don't know who you're talking about. >> kasich rubbed people the wrong way. he's behind prubio in delegates. if you want to stop trump -- >> john kasich rubbed people the wrong way? >> he has. >> john kasich rubbed people the wrong way? >> there are two republicans among the most famous
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republicans in the land. both of them described one of them as charming and generous and grateful. and the other not. >> really? >> the one not was john kasich. >> okay. they really have good judgment. >> i hope -- >> okay. >> 41 states -- >> the real problem it's not the establishment doesn't like him. it's the voters haven't shown any affinity for him. he has won one state. ohio. >> he won with a certain flair. >> i never got to the news -- >> yes, you did. >> we'll get to that later when we have some to report. but you are all so fascinating. we'll just wait. still ahead on "morning joe." the mayor of new york city, democrat bill de blasio joins us on set. plus, petter king on today's primary race in his backyard. we'll be back on the air today for a special edition of "afternoon joe."
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we've aged ten years since the picture was taken ten months ago. joe, you too! 3:00 eastern time we'll be on the air. oh, my god. that was my college picture or something. anyhow, let's go to bill karins. he always looks good. he has a check on the forecast. >> did you see the picture yesterday the houston area. this time yesterday had thunderstorms that weren't moving and they had millions of dollars worth of damage done yesterday. one of the worst floods in the city's history. they were comparing it to allison and the memorial day floods from a year past. about a thousand homes had water in them. thousands of cars got stranded in the water. there were fatalities in houston area. the city itself had minor flooding but outside the city where it was horrible. so as far as the rainfall, we picked up about 10 to 12 inches of rain in the huge area here. right up north of i-10. and as far as what we dealt with, the radar right now is blank. we thought there was a chance of rain last night. thankfully it held off. there could be additional storms
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today. we're in the clear for the time being. the river levels continue to go down and hopefully doing clean up there. showers arkansas and missouri. additional rainfall. we're going to get other rains today and tomorrow in the area they had the flooding. it shouldn't be horrible. another two to three inches compared to the 15 you had won't cause many additional issues. flood watch continues for today. cooler and rain and drizzle in areas from boston to albany. d.c. south wards in for the great stuff. 82 today in d.c.! two days in a row in the 80s. beautiful april weather. look at that picture. that is gorgeous. more "morning joe" when we come back. what is that? it's you!
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street. [ cheers and applause ] are you ready? >> yeah! here they are! >> that's so funny. >> i just love that. here they are. nothing. it's pretty good. i like it. >> no. it's fine. it's great. >> i think the speech thing is -- >> high comedy. >> no, it's real. >> how is he going to do? >> he's not going to win. >> i don't have a good feel for it -- he seems to be closing strong. and, you know, people are trying to make sure no one thinks she wins by five or six in some sort of defeat. he's not going to do well enough to meaningfully cut into the lead. >> does he have any shot of winning? >> if he wins he gets a shot of adrenali
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adrenaline. even if he wins they'll split the delegates. >> you have to love the fight, though. >> the fight and the message. the fundraising. very impressive. she has a lead on pledge delegates. >> right. >> and votes, right. i mean. >> even if he somehow -- >> i understand your point, mark. i understand. i'm saying it does have an impact for a woman that would have lost eight in a row and lost her home state. all of these knicks add up as you move into a general election. donald trump, look, i'm running against a lady that can't win her state. she lost eight in a row. >> in fairness, he might say that even if it isn't true. he's trump! >> she would love to start rebuilding her image and not having to worry about him. and that is partly what today is about. to try to convince -- use today to say -- >> close the door. >> that's it. you can keep running but stop the attacks.
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>> that's the thing if she wins by double digits, then that's a huge win for her. and she can say it's been nice. bernie is great. let's join together. and i think most people really would understand that. >> you know he's really only accelerated his attacks, though. over the last couple of weeks. yesterday he accused her of violating campaign finance laws. he wrote a letter to the dnc saying she is using a fundraising committee to pay her campaign. he's cutting deep up until the end. >> i think he knows he needs to win new york. >> despite leading in most recent new york polls hillary clinton nothing for granted yesterday. making eight stops across manhattan. she spoke with employees at a hospital in yonkers, stopped by a car wash in queens, drank bubble tea with chuck schumer, ate ice cream, refuelled at a
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restaurant and met with culinary workers, and finished her day at an irish-americans for hillary event alongside her husband. it was a primary eve filled with tough swipes at her opponent bernie sanders and made a bold prediction of the race. >> what about the greed of the gun manufacturers and sellers? i couldn't believe it when senator sanders said the parents of the sandy hook children did not deserve their day in court. [ booing ] >> largely because i had vohe v the bill that gave special protections, immunity from liability to the gun makers and sellers. >> i'm hoping to do well tomorrow. hoping to wrap up the democratic nomination, but -- i got to quickly add that before anybody has the wrong impression.
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we have to. and, you know, after tomorrow we have to go to pennsylvania and connecticut and rhode island a delaware and maryland all the way to california on june 7th. so we have to stay with this. but, again, we also have to get ready for the general election, which is going to be really, really challenging. >> she also had this moment with the local radio station. we'll let you decide if it's pandering or not. >> what is something you carry with you? >> hot sauce. >> really? >> yeah. >> really? >> hot sauce, what? >> hot sauce. >> really? >> yes. >> people are going to see this and say she's pandering to black people. [ laughter ] >> okay. is it working? >> willie, explain that to us. >> mark halperin says she does.
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but beyoncè says she has hot sauce in my swag bag. but she does. >> yeah. did she show the hot sauce? >> i guarantee you she carries hot sauce. guarantee it. i've seen it. >> i like that. >> it's true. >> it's good on grapefruit. >> ek okay. coming up chris january sing joins. "morning joe" is back in a moment.
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32 past the hour. let's finally get to other headlines making headlines this morning. overnight the taliban is claiming responsibility for a deadly explosion in kabul. nbc news confirmed at least 28 people were killed in a coordinated attack which included a powerful car bomb. almost 200 others were reportedly injured. the blast struck near the afghan ministry of defense, and just a few hundred yarnds from the afghan presidential palace and nato's local headquarters. security forces have been on high alert since the taliban announced their spring offensive last week. also, the u.s. is turning up the heat on isis. while in baghdad ash carter announced the decision to send more than 200 additional personnel, several apache helicopters, and more than $4 million in aid to consideredish
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fighters. the troops are advisors and not in direct combat. they'll be moving closer to the front lines. this comes as iraqi forces prepare an assault to retake the country's second largest city, mosul. lester holt spoke with the defense secretary while in baghdad yesterday. >> as you add additional advisors does it put more americans at closer risk? >> the iraqis are still in the lead. that doesn't change, and, lester, americans are at risk today. every single day here. as secretary of defense, i take that more seriously than anything else. i want our troops to be effective, but i want them, also, to be as safe as possible consistent with that. it's important to do this, because we have to, and we will defeat isis. we need to get that done as soon
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as possible. that means being more aggressive. >> as we see the iraq keys willing to fight make sure we provide more support. we aren't doing the training ourselves. when we're gaining intelligence, working with the coalitions we have, what we've seen is we can continually tighten the noose. my expectations by the end of the year, we will have created the conditions where by mosul will eventually fall. >> and, finally, emmy winning actress doris roberts passed away. for nine seasons she played marie on "everybody loves raymond" over the years she was nominated for 11 emmy awards, four of which she, for her work on the sitcom. she was 90 years old. >> all right. >> are you a ray fan? >> no. >> i liked it. i saw it a few times in my life.
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>> i didn't get it. >> didn't get what? >> because he was based in long island and not here where donny -- >> the mom was great. >> what don't you like about "everybody loves raymond?" . >> i thought it was like "cheers." >> yeah. bill rosenthal created it with ray areromano and she was aweso. >> i liked it. funny. >> how many times have you been to staten island? >> a lot. i live there. >> chuck todd and andrea mitchell are here. they'll join our political round table in a minute. "morning joe" is coming right back. >> i want to smack you. [ laughter ] i'm sorry.
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powerful i'm at fox. and roger l.'s platform and poof. things don't go so well. >> no. >> you can look through back through the history. everybody goes over there. and in beck's case he thought he had gotten bigger than murdoch and bigger than news corps.. went out on his own. the further he got away from fox's shadow, the less relevant he became. and let me ask you something, when is the last time glen beck was in the main stream of any political discussion? when he was at fox it was every day. he was on the cover of forbes, on the cover of time. >> maybe she doesn't want to do politics. you know. so something else. >> what she can do in her viewer format. >> she's different and i think she's one of the maybe the only person i know from fox i i wouldn't think -- any fox person would appeal to she has appealed to them.
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>> if people have forgotten how big glen beck was. it was massive. he had a rally 500,000 fox news fans showed up. >> yeah. >> that guy was -- i mean, megyn kelly great. she's doing great. she was not anywhere as big as glen beck, and -- >> the platform is -- >> you also -- when you live in new york, sometimes don't appreciate the reach of fox news. >> exactly. >> it's a unique -- >> unbelievable. it is. >> go outside of new york anywhere else and everywhere you go. certainly where i'm from, in the south, everywhere you go fox news is on. everywhere you go. >> get on a jetblue flight and look at the tv. >> it's fox news. >> there's a reason that mark o'reilly can -- >> stop.
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that was tragic. >> it was tragic. >> it's a little early in the morning for -- >> i'm just saying it's that reach and power. >> it's a good read. >> when you're inside the bubble and start thinking about it's about you. you don't realize about roger. >> wall street journal hillary bashing. the specific problem that mr. sanders' tone turned more harsh in attacking her. the particular problem his critique is she can't be trusted because she takes campaign contributions from big banks and businesses. it's a line of attack that seems almost designed to hitter in in the area of greatest vulnerableability. mrs. clinton appears to have an upper hand in a general election match up but needs voters to show up for her in the fall. a fair share of her vote would come from people embracing her as the lesser of two evils.
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the problem with the sanders attacks he's close to portraying her at least representing a kind of evil in the system which threatens to erode that particular advantage. >> we've seen this argument in other forms to people who support hillary clinton, columnist of the new york times saying bernie sanders it's time to step away. you're hurting the person who is hurting the nominee. bernie sanders said i'm trying to defeat her in the primary. >> they need to go to the rallies where he attacks 28,000 people and talk about what part of that appeal is and the appeal is he's willing to take her on. you can make the argument, couldn't you, she's going to get battle hardened and a lot of this stuff that is going to be thrown at her anyway. so, you know, look, bernie sanders isn't going away. bernie sanders, if you watch him over the last couple of days, you see how he has played this game. he's not going anywhere. he's not backing off. if they're going to do that.
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it's going to be one of the toughest negotiations you've seen. >> yep. and in the washington post it may be too late for the gop to stop trump. i believe if trump comes close to a delegate majority the party leadership caves and he gets the nomination. in recent speeches he stakedut that the candidate that comes to the convention with the biggest number of delegates should be the nominee. polls show that a majority of republicans agree with the billionaire. it turns out that they get to choose their standard bearer they don't take kindly to be patted on the head and told to sit in the corner. nobody likes that. especially women in business. if he narrowly misses the magic number -- >> that was out of left. >> we don't like being patted on the head. i relate with the line, gene. >> i do, too, gene. >> i continue.
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i digress. >> i agree. >> what do you think? >> that's what i think. >> he wrote it. >> and i've got to say minka is right on being patted on the head. >> it sucks. don't -- right, chris? right nicolle? >> let me ask you, gene -- yeah. >> are we done? can i talk? i'm not sorry but go ahead. >> gene, so you have -- it's rare among many of your colleagues, not just at the post, but elsewhere, that you have actually been keeping your head down from the very beginning and saying "don't like his politics." i don't know if i like him.
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donald trump is going to do well. i'm curious what is the reaction been? do people confuse you as a trump supporter? >> i get it all the time. i just looked at my twitter. i'm getting it now. you've gone off the deep end. you know, you've been a trumper -- i'm sorry. you have to be honest. if you're going to do this. right. if you're going to give your opinion ss. they have to be based on some evidence, some fact, something out there other than what you would like to see happening. it's got to be based on what you actually think is happening. and from the beginning, it was very clear to me that trump was hitting a nerve. he was gathering all the support. he came out of, you know, out of nowhere in terms of the
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political landscape. he's drawing this huge crowds. and he's saying things that resonate with people. my concern all along is, okay, it has been, okay, what is he doing? what is he saying that has got people so excited? and so that's what i try to focus on. >> chris jansing, the only difference from donald trump and bernie sanders is, that donald trump had 17 people to split up the vote. bernie sanders has one. >> that's right. be if there were two, three, four democrats in the race other than bernie sanders, you know, i think you would have seen the same thing happening on the democratic side and bernie sanders would be on the way to the domination. >> i don't know i just think there's a different dynamic going on in that race. you can compare them, obviously, in terms of the people are frustrated but, you know, that the race plays out differently. >> 28,000 people -- that's
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insanity. >> and, you know, people that donated. >> yeah. >> what is that, gene? >> chris is right. there are different dynamics going on in the two races. there's something going on beneath the surface that struggling to fully understand. i keep coming back to the areas on which bernie sanders and donald trump agree on free trade, on the allegation that the system is rigged. to favor the rich and powerful. on withdrawing from traditional forward-leaning u.s. policy to a different kind of posture. these issues, in particular, and perhaps others are resonating with voters along the political spectrum. that's something we should pay attention to. whether you agree with them or not. you should pay attention to it. >> i agree we that.
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what is amazing the republicans are walking around with a blindfold over their head. not interested in understanding the pieces of trump that are worth replicating. the whole package is troubling because there seems to be an unwillingness to roll up his sleeves and dive into foreign policy in any granularity. the pieces that bring out 28,000 people have nothing to do with the things that we sit here and talk about for four day stretches, the muslim ban, the mexicans -- that's not what draws people to them. and i'm astounded that all the talk in washington among the consultant class had endured a trump candidacy instead of how to replicate the things that are bringing new people. why wouldn't you try to peel off the people who are attracted to donald trump because of what he says about a foreign policy that doesn't put american -- you know, isn't what i believe but people obviously are responding to a foreign policy that doesn't put american soldiers in harm's way. what is it that and why don't
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people understand that and replicate the parts that work? and sort of ignore the parts that don't? all the talk in washington is about sort of, like, hunkering down and enduring a trump candidacy instead of peeling off the things that have been successful. >> you seen among the democrats the, you know, you've seen hillary moving. you've seen that movement on the clinton side. you have not seen on the republican side. >> haven't seen it on the republican side. still ahead -- chris jansing, thank you so much. we'll see you all day reporting on msnbc. and tomorrow morning, hosting way too early to break down the primary results -- >> that's going to be special. >> thank you, joe. >> that's going to be great. >> yeah. take care of yourself. it's going to be a long 24 hours. we'll be watching! still ahead -- >> what do we have? yeah. business in dubai start at 4:00 a.m. >> we'll be there. we'll watch. still ahead, one of hillary
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i don't want to be speaker. welcome back to "morning joe." tuesday, april 19th. election day for new york! and we have mark halperin with us. what was campaign video he can with the interns? >> a lot like that saturday night spoof. >> i can't tell the difference. while you're looking at me my campaign video. >> yeah. here is my message for america. civility. right? i fell for it. >> i liked it. >> i liked it, too. >> he's a -- it's not new. >> when the kids go to college high school run for president. >> okay. we'll be waiting with beated breath. nicolle wallace, eugene wallace, a contributor to time magazine,
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alyse. voting is already underway in some places in new york state. >> it's in. the parties are rigged. let's get -- >> are they both rigged? >> kind of. >> the democrats and the republicans? >> yeah. >> it's like country clubs. they're both country clubs. >> totally. >> i don't think so anymore. the last poll we saw donald trump was doing very well going up 33% over ted cruz looking ahead to next week, trump has a commanding 15-point lead in pennsylvania, with a 41% support. the morning -- >> as the kids like to say, john kasich in second place at 26%. ted cruz bringing up the rear at 23%. in new jersey, a state that
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votivote votes during the first week in june donald trump leading the way 52%. but, you know -- >> rutgers. >> chris, mark my words, donald trump's ceiling is 52%. you heard it here, first. >> his ceiling is whatever he has in the most recent poll. look, he's going to -- these next few weeks are going to be very, very good for him. he's going to win new york tonight. the only question is how much of the 95 delegates in new york does he take? he could win every single state. i believe there's five that go a week from today. he could win those as well. you know, depending on what he does. if he gets over 50%. connecticut is winner takes all. new jersey it's got a chance, i think, to win the vast majority if not all the debt galegates. the math is harder today than it
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was a month ago. but the math is not impossible. if i'm a republican party, and i'm looking at ted cruz in pennsylvania running behind john kasich, a guy that needs 165 percent of the dell gadelegateso be the nominee. and a guy that everyone thinks is going to be the nominee is behind him. i think cruz is going to come in third today in new york. i think it's a little bit concerning. new york is not likely to be a swing state in a general election, certainly. no matter donald trump says. i don't think pennsylvania necessarily will be either. if you're likeliest nominee and you can say that's cruz is coming in third behind a guy that is basically not running. i think that's a little bit worrisome. >> yeah. last night donald trump closed out his campaign in buffalo in front of a fired up crowd of over 11,000 people. the area's home to the first congressman to endorse him. trump also got, perhaps, an even bigger name behind him.
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buffalo bills head coach rex ryan. and donald trump went on to hammer ted cruz. >> tomorrow we're going to show ted cruz, who hates new york. hates new york! when you look at that ge debate see the who talked about us and our values. he turned down sandy money for this state and plenty of other money. we had lots of things coming into new york and he voted against no new yorker can vote for ted cruz. wouldn't be interesting if ted cruz came in third tomorrow. wouldn't that be interesting? very interesting. i never thought i was going to see him as one of the last three people. i never thought it was going to happen. i never thought it was going to happen. i could name the other ones but i don't want to do it. i thought there would be other people, you know, before we have final victory. >> willie. >> if this plays out the way it
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looks like it's going to play out. we know donald trump is win big. if it plays through states like connecticut, new jersey, maryland, donald trump wracks up the big wins. what does the race look like in the middle of may? how does ted cruz make the case for himself? >> i think it gets harder for cruz. i think it's been the question about the last month or so whether the republican establishment is going to embrace ted cruz and give him the news he needs. so far republicans are divided. you look at what is going on now within the convention rules committee and the internal battle they're having over what rules are going to be applied in the critical week before the convention when the rules are as to set who can be nominated from the floor of the convention. and that's kind of the battle i'm watching. what is happening within the republicans who are on these critical committees. the rules committee and the credibles committee. >> donald trump continues to professionalize his run to gain
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political operation after ten months of rejecting standard campaign practice mooeps adding republican insiders and handing them a reported $20 million budget for the final contest. according to politico. yesterday trump's national field director resigned. his duties taken over by scott walker's former chief strategies. analysis found from the beginning of his campaign through february, trump spent more on private air travel than on campaign staff, which may have allowed ted cruz to out organize him at local gop conventions. trump will fight back at the national level. hiring the former counsel to the rnc rules committee to litigate delegate credentials and the convention's hierarchy. then donald trump will spend primary night at trump tower, but unlike other recent elections, he's getting right back on the campaign trail holding wednesday rallies in indiana in the afternoon and maryland in the evening. >> we're talking about the shake
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up. >> this is pretty good. >> you know donald trump has been convinced by people around him he needed a different team in place for this phase of the campaign. it's been extraordinarily small. in is the figure of staff versus air travel. there's never been any campaign that has gotten this far with so few people and so few people with presidential campaign experience. they brought in very good people. the question is, i think, can they salvage the things that have been the inside game the last few weeks in order get to a majority and build the general election team. because trump is going to simultaneously prepare for the convention, pick a running mate, build a general election operation, make peace with the rnc, make peace with congregatissional leaders. a lot of work to be done. >> a lot of work and a lot of stuff -- things he can't do himself. it's extraordinary what they did along with donald trump up to this point, but i think they
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knew. everybody knew. expand it out. it's got to get bigger. >> it's hard though, and i think it's one of the big tests of a candidate and a politician how they graft on additional people. these are human beings, and the team that is there is very small. not perfect but they were a part of, i mean, the vast majority of it speaks to donald trump's, you know, foreign talents, but this is a team that got him to where he is, which is impressive. >> extraordinary. >> they wiped out 15 impressive candidates. this is tricky stuff when you bring in old hands and layer them on top of the people already there. i've been on both ends of it. and it is one of the major tests of a candidate whether he can run that and whether he can successfully oversee the sizing up of a campaign. >> and kind of bring people together. >> if you look at the other candidates left in the race. not one had significant personnel changes. for hillary clinton, for a
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clinton campaign to have a change is incredible. leadership is same at the start. same with ted cruz, john kasich, and same with bernie sanders. trump is the only one making the change now. he needs it. >> 2012 mitt romney has been active in his efforts to keep trump from winning the gop nominati nomination. yesterday he gave his scenario for how trump can secure the nomination before the convention.
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and the former house speaker newt gingrich laid out a scenario where trump can claim the party's mantle as early as tonight in new york. >> if trump gets above 60%, it'll be hard to imagine he's not the presumptivive nominee at that point. >> yeah. >> the other thing to look for is what kind of an evening is it? if he come out tuesday night having won big, treat his opponents with dignity, and claim the mantle of the presumptivive nominee it will psychologically strengthen him going into the rest of the campaign. >> what do you think about newt's take as well as mitt romney? >> i like the second part i think he's right that trump could do well to be slightly more magnanimous. he's had the open public debate of when i'm going to be presidential and i'll be
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presidential when have elimina e eliminated everyone else. i think could be a little more presidential in moments like everybody pays attention. i do think mitt romney is right. look, the more you fracture the vote, new york is a perfect example. winner take all by congressional district. the more you fracture the anti trump vote the more likely donald trump is able to get, you know, closer to the numbers he needs. i still think the math argues he's unlikely to get 1,000 to 37. the most important point romney makes let's say he's at 1180 there are enough unpledged delegates on the first ballot you can convince a decent number. once it goes beyond a first ballot it's hard for trump. not only because he's trump but because we've seen the spade work ted cruz has done there. i would not rule out if he goes in under that number he can get to the number by saying, look,
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i'm going to be the nominee here. you know, i need 37 more votes. and potentially getting it. >> as long as the possibility of a contested convention exists -- as long as it's up for grabs, that's why they're staying around. they acknowledge they're not going to cross the threshold. it there's a contested convention on the table. why not hang around and see what happens. >> john kasich looks at the process and says you can't be the nominee. he looks and says no one wants -- they're afraid of trump as a nominee. they hate cruz. let's say it goes to a third or fourth ballot and i'm the only other guy that has run in the states. sorry to interrupt. >> gene robinson, let's go to the democratic side. new york post feeling the bern. bernie by the empire state
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building making hillary sweat. i'm not sure that's the case now, is it? >> i don't think that's the case right now. no. she's -- all the polls show her well ahead in new york. i think she likely will have a pretty big night tonight. and, look, even if bernie sanders, as mark halperin pointed out even if bernie sanders wins the new york primary the math would be daunting for him. bernie has huge crowds in new york and a lot of enthusiasm, a lot of support. but, frankly, the question going forward could be how does bernie sanders conduct the rest of his campaign? he'll stay in until the end, but does he do it in a way that the damages hillary clinton potentially for the general election or not? >> that's the question.
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what do you think, elise jordan? i'm not sure they're all voters. bernie sanders would be doing better if every person went to his rally showed up at the polls. it's a group of people who feel strongly about him. are they going to run to hillary? >> i don't think they're going to run to hillary. i think that's the challenge that bernie sanders has to internally grapple with. what is his role? conciliatory, a peacemaker? is he going to essentially accept he's had a huge impact on shifting the party platform and shifting hillary clinton. or is he going to keep going hard at it? i tend to think he's going to keep staying at it and pushing his message. i think he's gotten personal among the two politicians. that's a hard thing to strip away in the aftermath of a defeat. >> mark, do you agree? is bernie going to keep at it?
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>> he'll keep at it. i think the pressure is going to be on him to stop the going so hard it hurt and running a more positive message. he's the money to go through. it's clear for him it's important to be on the ballot in california. this will be a fight all the way through the end. the question, again, is she focus on a general election and not play so much defense? she did the same thing eight years ago. >> she did. she did what she's hoping bernie sanders did. lowered the rhetoric against barack obama. >> he started at the debate saying i don't care about your e-mails. he's questioning her judgment and her ethics and morality at every turn. he's going the other direction. >> he is. they're hoping tonight is the pivot where he starts to reign that in. i don't know he will but that's what they're hoping. >> thank you all. still ahead on "morning joe." no one is going to out work hillary clinton in new york.
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>> that was chris -- >> that's my man. >> exactly. >> wow. that's kind of amazing. >> pretty exciting. >> do you think -- >> inside baseball our first executive producer of "morning joe" is going to that show. that was funny, i like colbert. he's funny. joining us now that can be funny at times. democratic mayor of new york city. he's dead serious about hillary clinton. what are you doing today? >> today is a good day! i feel good. i feel really good about hillary today. and, look, i've been all over the city campaigning for her. and i'm feeling a lot of enthusiasm for her. she served us for eight years and did a good job. people feel connected to her. if you compare this campaign to the '08 campaign, this campaign has a ground game. it has the grassroots operation that '08 -- >> where are you going today? where are you campaigning? >> brooklyn. >> yes.
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>> home base. it's the center of the universe, joe. it's the brooklyn debate. it was not the new york city debate. it was the brooklyn debate. >> yeah. yesterday bernie sanders did a little riff in his speech where he said "i'm going it release my wall street speeches. here they are!" did he have a point? >> no. >> what? >> no. >> how can you say that? ? >> i'm looking you in the eye. it doesn't matter! >> why? >> because the platform matters not a speech given years ago. it doesn't matter. >> was it years ago? >> yes. it was years ago. >> what did she say? >> the bottom line is -- i find it to be a bit of a contradiction. i'm going to call it out to my dear friends in the media. the platform is what you hold us to. right? the platform is what you hold us to. a lot of times what has been legitimate concern why won't someone be in their platform. it calls for higher taxes on the
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wealthy and closing the carried interest loophole, the buffett ruling with making sure million areas and billionaires pay the same tax rate as their secretaries. higher wages, higher benefits fop me th. this is the most aggress i have platform and we should focus on that. >> you fruly believe she'll be able to take on special interests, big businesses, big banks with absolutely no connection to any past relationship? >> yeah. because, first of all, look at the health care reform fight of '93 and '94. the kitchen sink was thrown at her by the health industry. she stood strong throughout. i have a lot of respect for bernie. has bernie had that kind of experience. stand in the glare of the lights to achieve a policy change, take that incoming and keep going? she played a major role in the executive branch. let's face it, during the clinton administration she stood in the fire and stayed
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consistent on her values. i was questioned about fossil fuel. i have at lo respect for bernie and deep appreciation for the movement that is coming out of bernie's campaign, i think is going to be part of the landscape for a long time in this country. i would like to talk about that. i think it's a big story. on the fossil fuel issue, hillary clinton has done more than anyone living to address climate change. she with president obama built us to the -- >> first state to support a keystone. i thought it was pretty -- i think that's forward thinking. because the state department the determined that keystone will be more environmentally sensitive than not having the pipe there. >> and the reason i pull it to the paris -- it was the first progress we've seen in a global level. she was one of the architects. and her platform says i want to take tax breaks away from the oil and gas industry. >> if hillary clinton wins tonight by five, eight, ten points, should bernie sanders get out of the race? >> i don't tell the candidates what to do. i think bernie feels he is
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sparking a different kind of discussion in this country. i think it's been a valuable discussion. if hillary clinton wins strongly tonight, i believe she will, she's going to be the nominee. there's no question. and i think what bernie and his movement should be focussed on is the issues. and mobilizing people, not just for the primaries but the general election and beyond. because whoever is president, if we're going to have a real consistent progressive movement in this country that addresses things like income inequality. it's not about a single election. it's certainly not about the primary elections. i believe having talked to bernie supporters they will come to hillary clinton in november. i think there's an overblown assumption because it's been a hard fought primary that people can't come together. i would argue '08 is a tougher primary. the tone and the anger between the two camps and the way it was greater than now. you saw actually substantial democratic unity in the end. i think you're going see it again. >> he ramped up attacks. in new york he's been tough on
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her on a variety of issues. wall street ties, e-mails, talking about campaign finance investigation he thinks the dnc should look into. wlont it be more helpful if after tonight he weren't around making those atabs? >> first of all, i found it profoundly strange he attempted this. the fundraisers in question were to help the party elect a new senate, for example. i would assume a democratic senator would like to see that happen. i found that off base and disingenuous. on the bigger question, look, if he sees his mission as raising a set of issues and mobilizing people around the issues, i believe that's ultimately can come back and benefit around hillary clinton and the national discourse. but it has to be done respectfully and has to be about the issues. if he veers away from the issues, i think a lot of people will not see the same leadership. the secret to bernie has been his substance. he should stick to his
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substance. now hillary clinton, today, before new york, has about 2.4 million more votes than bernie sanders. so forget the rallies. the people who have showing what they feel because they're voting. they're doing the thing that matters most. they're voting for hillary clinton. i think you'll see a strong result for her tonight. the energy coming out of sanders' movement can be a larger progressive movement i believe has been bubbling up for years. the fight for $15 years. what mayors have been doing. >> where does she stand on that? >> here is the bottom line, she wants an increase in wages all over the country. yes, there are regional differences but she wants to increase wages all over the country. that matters here. the whole movement around raising wages and benefits is consistent with her platform. >> mark, given the movement he's lead and given the effort he's put in, why isn't he the obvious choice to be runner mate? >> i think the real question for a president or a presidential candidate is choose someone they
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feel would be a good replacement if they were not president. >> why isn't he the obvious choice? what. >> i believe she needs to choose someone that shares her vision. that is the issue that matters. i'm not going to speak to her what she thinks that person should be. i think that's the criteria that matters. bernie has started something powerful. however, i've said all along she's the person that can get the things done. she can handle the responsibilities of the presidency. when she is our nominee, she's going to have to decide who that second is. >> joe? >> so we have on the one sheet here and people are talking about it in the city. last week you asked a lawyer to reach out to prosecutors concerning investigation into your donors and fundraising operation. what is going on with the department of justice? >> look, bottom line is i don't know what department is justice is doing. but i said we want to assist. >> what is the issue, though?
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>> you'll have to ask them. i personally don't know what the issue is. we've held ours to a high standard. >> right. >> whenever you see investigations, they're part of the affirment in america today. issues are you work with or not. we said clearly we're happy to cooperate. if there's something we're happy to work with them. >> does it seem that these days, in particular, this is a price for being involved in politics? you were just talking about bernie sanders investigation. >> look, i do think this has become part. i think you could call it the price of being involved. there's all sorts of entities out there with whatever agendas. i think everyone in public life has to assume that has to be part of swirls around. so you to do the work. this is my message. do the work, hold a high standard. we're proud of full day pre-k,
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driven down crime. >> you've driven down crime while driving down stop and frisk? >> yes. >> thank you, yes. >> i thought it prevents crime. >> no, it doesn't, mika. it turns out. >> just saying. >> thank you. enjoyed watching ted cruz question bill bratton. what bill bratton has shown is bringing police and community closer together, by taking away the negatives and some of the barriers, it's lead to more effective crime fighting. first quarter this year the lowest number of murders and shootings in the first quarter of any year in new york city history. while we reduced stop and frisk intensely while we reduced complaints against police simultaneously. it just shows there is a cooperative path that is the future america. >> there's polls out from our wnbc, our affiliate here and the wall street journal last week that say you're doing 35% only approve of your job performance and 51% of people in the city
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think it's going the wrong direction with 43% saying in the right direction. how do you explain the numbers? >> i have come to the conclusion that polls go up-and-down. you can't get lost in them. polling is becoming a little bit more of a questionable science. >> you don't believe the numbers? i don't believe them because at this given moment, you know, anything can change. people look at the whole picture when they make their final decision. >> what is inside those numbers? if crime is down, quality of life seems to be pretty good. and we say this as people who live in new york city. what do you think is the underlying unease? >> my consultants would say i've not been on "morning joe" enough. >> exactly. >> sometimes you have -- >> you can have the "morning joe" bump. >> when i get it it's a whole different thing. >> i would say you're right. and you have run for office. people care about safety, they
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care about if they had a job. we've had an increase of 250,000 jobs in new york city in the last two years. >> right. >> your numbers should be reversed. i'm not pushing. i'm -- >> yeah. >> i'm curious what is driving the unyears? >> i think there's a sour environment now in the country and new york city is part of it, where people for legitimate reasons after decades of being held back economically. a lot of pent up frustration. we see it on the campaign trail nationally. but fact that inequality was not addressed for decades is one of the underlying dynamics, i think. until people see consistent progress. our job is show the progress. in terms of national discussion some of the frustration and anger you see will not be satia satiated. >> thank you. good to have you, mr. mayor de
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blas blasio. your wife will join us for "afternoon joe." >> she got a better slot. >> she did. that's the higher quality. >> i can't wait! thank you for being on. still ahead. hillary clinton has been asked a lot of questions on the trail. one question in particular is apparently off limits. we're going to show you why she booed a reporter. plus, down in the polls senator ted cruz -- >> it was justified. >> it was justified? did she boot person? >> oh, yeah. senator ted cruz has moved on from new york to maryland. one person is they cruz left the empire state. new york congressman peter king joins us live on "morning joe."
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>> yeah. hillary clinton continued her campaign for the new york primary yesterday. when she stopped by mikey likes it ice cream. >> oh, yeah. it. >> in new york. indulged in a sundae called victory. while ted cruz has been steadfast on not wearing funny hats on camera.
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sorry. wisconsin cheese. >> yeah. >> get that away from me. daddy is going to wear it for you later and he's going to be funny. right now. >> secretary clinton broke her no eating in front of the press rule. >> it is so good. it is unbelievably good. yeah. i couldn't stop. i was going to take it to go and i was going to start eating it. >> the calorie count? >> oh, come on! boo! >> that's a lot of fun. >> i like her there. >> justified boop. >> he's right. >> i like she -- you're going to eat ice cream. you eat it. nobody is counting calories. >> she did eight classic events
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they'll go on either way. i think the question chuck and i have been talking about it. it's gotten nasty. >> yeah. >> and his going after the fundraising, going after the party base yesterday -- experts tell us they may have been pushing the envelope. it's not a violation. these joint committees are set up every time everywhere state by state. >> who might have been pushing the envelope? >> i think there are people -- i mean, they certainly -- they see the crowds. they have got this fundraising, you know, incredible machine going. the enthusiasm is there. they see the passion, and i think there is some real believers. but the math, as a lot of experts would say, they're running out of territory. >> yeah. >> if she wins new york, then goes on to pennsylvania, there's no way to make up gap. >> chuck todd, if hillary wins tonight. it's all over for sanders. >> yeah. i think because -- >> at that point does bernie at least pull back?
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>> we're going to learn. right. i think that's going to be interesting tomorrow morning. what does he want? how does he carry himself? what is the tone of his remarks tonight? look, i think the reason why it's gotten nasty is there is an acknowledgment that today -- like, if it doesn't happen now it's not going to happen. to me, it's okay, you know, the party can heal itself as long as they don't go farther than this. i think it will be interesting to see how bernie handles -- look, wii know the michigan analogy doesn't work because the unknown -- the, the michigan polls were wrong were the miscalculation of the independent vote. >> no independence. >> your point about how getting nasty and recovering. i'm thinking back to eight years ago when hillary clinton said shame on you barack obama. >> i thought it was nastier in '08. >> right. you barely have any attack ads on the air. they were exchanging -- paying
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attack ads on nafta. >> they don't mention her by name but they're nasty. >> it's nasty. it doesn't mention. this has been patty cake. >> right. all right how is new york looking for donald trump? andrea mitchell? >> over the top. i don't think there's any way to under estimate the way donald trump is going to do in new york. >> some say he could close the door on the nomination if he wins big tonight. >> i don't know if you can mathematically close the door, but you can preemptively -- >> i have whiplash from deciding from week to week. >> right. >> every week we're declaratively certain this is what it means for trump. >> what i find funny everybody focussed so much on wisconsin. he's rolling up a massive lead in new york, pennsylvania, new jersey, connecticut, and everybody is going "ah!
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but indiana." >> indiana. >> why indiana? >> eight years ago, indiana was the decisive win. >> they're like don't worry about new york! don't worry about pennsylvania. don't worry about new jersey. don't worry about connecticut. don't worry about the massive industrial northeast states. he could stop in indiana. >> and then montana. >> and then montana. >> but let me say more about indiana. the election night in indiana -- we're standing there with the clinton people. i was covering with hillary clinton. tim russert came on and it was over. the flight back to d.c. -- >> go back on the republican side. i think ten days ago i think we thought, okay, who is going to be the republican that catches fire? >> it's going to be me dumping
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coffee. >> what happened to john kasich? >> yeah. >> the next two weeks are supposed to be the weeks that john kasich showed signs of life. on paper with money should do well in pennsylvania and connecticut. >> trying to stop -- >> in maryland, delaware, and frankly enough congregatissiona districts in new york. maybe they don't have the resources. i think it's been a little bit of campaign malpractice. >> we don't understand why the republican establishment had a choice of the former budget director and the first budget director to balance four in a row. since the 1920s. >> yeah. >> from the swing state. these state republicans have to win. he's a two-term governor. very popular. and they choose ted cruz. >> in the oral history of this segment is told, i'll be the one hows chuck todd poured a cup of hot coffee in his mass and continued. >> unbelievable. >> and just -- and just like the cruz and kasich campaign, it's only a loophole.
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>> we need someone that supports ted cruz. i feel like we've been hard on him. someone who has a warm place in his heart. >> why don't we bring in -- just announced this morning -- right? nassau county's chairman for ted cruz for president. >> yes! >> loves him. >> republican congressman petter ki -- peter king. >> congratulations on your chairman position. here is from quote from congressman king from ted cruz. any new yorker who thinks of voting for ted cruz should have their head examined. >> this is a little turn about. what happens on the republican side? how big does donald trump win? >> i'm not endorsing ted cruz. in case anyone is confused. i think i'll take cyanide if he got the nomination. i think you'll see donald trump scoring a big victory tonight. i did not endorse donald trump. i voted absentee john kasich.
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i'm not endorsing him but i voted to send a message. i've been to people come up talking about donald trump. what you said about wisconsin, i did notice after wisconsin for a day or so people were wondering what happened to donald trump. then he held his messiassive ra on long island. that really -- psychologically turned around again. >> wait a second. can you get me on the golf course? >> he can't in there. >> i don't want to wait in line at 2:00 in the morning. >> you're an important guy, you'll get in on your own. i'll talk to the important people and tell him that "morning joe" -- >> that was a "no." >> can si ask you a quick question. >> you got to wear shoes on the golf course, joe. >> this is a man who famously told the washington post when i
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first came to congress "we don't need people like scarborough who came out barefoot telling us how to run washington." >> you were topsiders. no doubt. >> congressman, i heard you say what i'm hearing all of these republicaned officials these day. "i'm not endorsing john kasich. i'm not endorsing ted cruz." what won't you endorse john kasich? i know how you feel about cruz. you vote for somebody but having to make the distinction i'm not endorsing. why? >> first of all. it's not a fear. i endorsed marco rubio and he lost. with john kasich if i thought kasich had a chance i would endorse him. i want to keep it dry because it
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may -- >> you're voting for somebody who you don't think has a snowball chance. >> the likelihood is donald trump get the nomination. i want donald trump to know if he wants the support of republicans he has to get substance and learn what he's talking about. he can't be talking about off the top of his head. what i'm saying is that it's a good suggestion that maybe john kasich would be a good choice for president. to endorse someone it means -- >> got it. that makes sense. that's a good answer. >> peter, let me ask you, what does donald trump have to do over the next several months to win your vote, win your endor endorsement? >> he said. >> tell me two or three things that trump has to do to move you into his column. >> yeah. first of all, on foreign policy, he has to show he understands what is happening in the middle east. he can't say he's going to bomb the crap out of isis. he has to show he has coherent
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policy and advisors he has that graff it is a to know what is going on in the world. talking about obamacare he can't say he's going to replace it with a "terrific plan." he has to show what he's going to do with it. what the systemic methods will be to replace obamacare. and stop with the attacks on bush's policy you have to get beyond that and show what the differences are. what he would have done. what he's going to do in the future. what is he going to do about isis or if the russians move on latvia or estonia? is it worth sending troops in? show he has some comprehension of what's going on in the world. >> peter king, the man that walks on washington, d.c. and cruz 2016.
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pretty brazen here. >> even put my name in the same sentence as ted cruz. i'm getting heart burn. >> cyanide? >> that's the takeaway. >> this is what i don't understand why everybody in the establishment and stop trump movement are pushing cruz. he's so hated. >> he's not pushing cruz. >> cyanide. >> what would it take to support donald trump? >> if he stops being donald trump. that was the shorter peter king. if he stops campaigning like donald trump -- >> if he stops being some faceted of donald trump. while ted cruz is a one trick pony. shut down the government, everybody hates him. why? >> he was asking for, well, then that will undo trump's connection with the very voters he is winning. >> if he gives more foreign policy speeches via teleprompter like the aipac speech. but he has to move on positions.
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>> i don't know how a teleprompter speech improves -- >> quick predictions. who is going to win on the democratic side? >> i think hillary clinton has some huge advantages. >> i think the fact it's registered democrats makes a big deal. >> is trump going to get over 50%? >> i think so. >> i think 85 delegates. >> chuck todd, andrea mitchell, thanks. >> thank you guys. we'll see you all day, all night, all morning. (vo) on the trane test range, you learn what makes our heating
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we're going to win so much, you're going to get tired of winning. you're going to be saying from buffalo, please, please, we don't want any more business. we're doing too much business. we're making too much money. no matter what you do. we don't want to win anymore. and i'm going to say, sorry. we're going to keep winning. we're going to win, win, win, and we're going to make america great again. america first, folks. america first. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. out west. with us managing editor mark halperin, former communications director for president george w. bush nicolle wallace and pulitzer prize winning columnist eugene robinson. >> we can go down the column that said it was all over for donald trump. all over. this time, he went too far with the hardball interview,
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everything else. and now, we have some polls that we're going to show today. he's blowing them out in new york. blowing them out in new jersey. blowing them out in all the big industrial states. pennsylvania. >> yeah, he's made a lot of changes but also benefited from the calendar because the northeast is as strong as the south. the northeast is very good for him. he's back on track to get a majority before the convention. >> couldn't have turned into a better state. we asked after iowa can he take the punch? after wis wirks can he take's punch? he took the punch and he's still there.he's getting an organization around him. showed discipline that nobody said he was going to show. nobody said he's going to show discipline. >> i'm going to have fun here. >> neither of his two remaining candidates have been able to engage him. they haven't got him in a one on one rhetorical matchup.
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>> the people around him that wanted him to do some things differently and make tweaks to stop the tweeting and all of the massive media overexposure, their hands were strengthened -- >> in wisconsin. >> and in the same way george w. bush lost new hampshire. when candidates lose, you do find out how desperately they need to win. >> here's some of the predictions about donald trump's dismal future. two weeks ago after his loss in the wisconsin primary, before even the votes were counted, they wrote in "the washington post," this time is really is the end of trump. really. pbs "newshour" or david mill banks column, the voters have spoken, never trump. ted cruz's wisconsin win may be the beginning of the end for donald trump. "wall street journal," wisconsin trump stop. and even one week ago, "the new york times" had an article saying that donald trump was
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losing ground. and today is election day in new york and polls in some places are already open. the last poll we saw donald trump was doing very well up over 33% over ted cruz. looking ahead to next week, trump has a 15% lead. another poll has kasich in second clas at 26% and us cruz at 22%. trump has surpassed a majority leading the way with 52%, according to a new rutgers poll. >> let's go through these polls. the guy is just absolutely dominating in three massive states. >> yeah, look. rubio got out of the race and neither cruz nor kasich moved up. it's all been delegates. not about winning in these polls. these polls can give him hope that he can get a majority before the convention. >> if he's over 50% in every one
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of these states, what does that do to 1,237. >> in these states it means he'll be on track but he can get sidetracked in indiana and california. it's close now. you can play with the numbers. you can play with the numbers. i believe if he performs the way he's likely to today and next week in these other northeastern states, he'll be on track to get a majority. but that doesn't mean he can't be derailed. >> willie, delegates aside, this has been an ongoing parlor game for us since last july. the ceiling is 15. the ceiling is 20. the ceiling is 25. we can show you literally three hours of tape of bad predictions going through last week after wisconsin. this ceiling, he's over 50% now in these polls. >> going through those headly headlines, so much prediction. ever since he came down the escalator. whenever he shows any
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vulnerability or weakness you see this outpouring of, this is it. it's shortsided given what he's about to do in the northeast. it's still narrow. he couldon track to get the 1237. if he performs the way it looks like in these states, he's going to be close enough to 1,237 to make a strong case at the convention that you can't give it to somebody else. >> the thing that bugs me is this. you have people that every time you predict that something good is going to happen to trump in the polls, you get the e-mails. why are you in bed with a nazi? the fact is it's a -- johnny manziel. he's kind of a towaurd. but if he's playing for the nfl, he's a jerk. every time he throws a 15 and out and makes a completion, i don't want the announcer to go,
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that's johnny manziel, a horrible person. he threw that 15 and out but this one he's going to do badly because he's a horrible, horrible. just tell me whether his team is going to win or lose. you aren't the pope. you aren't jesus. the voters will make the judgment. and, yes, a quarterback far different than the guy that wants to be president of the united states. but let the editorial page handle that whether he is worthy of being president of the united states. just give me the analysis and nobody has been able to do it. and a lot of people have made fools of themselves because of it. >> i mean, cover the campaign as it is and not as you would wish it to be. so, i mean, i got to say, you have a day that all those, trump is over columns were running, i did write a column saying trump is not over. you know, he lost in wisconsin. he got creamed, but the calendar
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looks very good for him. and, you know, he's doing even better than i expected him in the pre-primary polls in new york. it was clear from the start he's way ahead. he's going into familiar territory. very good territory for him. and i -- i think mark is absolutely right. i think he is back on track. but certainly potentially you can almost say probably but not quite to win the majority before the convention. and, frankly, so what. if he doesn't get quite to the majority, you can -- you have to convince me that this republican party is really going to try to give the nomination to somebody else if trump is close. i've never bought that and i don't buy it now. >> ted cruz is finishing in third place. the guy that is the one guy that can -- i am the one person that can beat donald trump. no, you can't even beat john kasich. you look at all these polls and
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he's in third place in all these big northeast states. this ain't a wyoming caucus. these are the biggest states. >> i would have made a different choice and they might actually -- i don't know. >> i wonder why they didn't throw their light in for john kasich. budget chairman. guy that was two-term -- two-term governor. >> hello. i don't get it. >> and you are throwing your lot in with ted cruz? >> they couldn't agree with him on any significant policy pillar -- >> if you're going to try to control -- >> make that move and go there. make the right choice. >> in their head-to-head matchups out today, they show john kasich light years ahead of hillary clinton and the only republican that easily beats hillary clinton. so you're trading in donald trump for a guy that does as badly in the general election matchup as trump?
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kasich would blow her out. >> we don't get why john kasich is not doing better but he has a chance in new york where he's campaigned extensively. if you are driving in the car, put down the whiskey and just listen to me. i'm going to take you home. just follow my voice, okay? >> please don't -- >> john kasich, 51%, clinton, 3 d%. paul ryan, may roll in and beat her by one. cruz losing to hillary. trump losing to hillary. the only one that matterses here are john kasich and ted cruz. everybody has encircled a guy that they loathe. >> and they don't want and they probably wouldn't want more than what they'd get from donald trump. >> john kasich is establishment, and yet the establishment
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doesn't take the guy who is up right now by, what, 12 points? >> and has been consistently. he's been the only one. >> it's the stupidest thing the establishment is making one final stupid move before trump gets this. >> if you look at the new nbc/"wall street journal" poll, the national number, it has john kasich at 24%. cruz at 35%. kasich isn't way out of this in terms of his relationship to ted cruz. marco rubio in that same poll had 20% last time around. so the question was, how does that get divvied up when rubio gets out of the race. trump got 10% of that. ten points. he's up ten. cruz got eight points of that. he's up eight. remember the argument was, once all these other guys get out they'll rush to be anti-trump? half of them went to trump. >> as trump said would happen. >> as trump says all along. everybody is adding up everybody who is not for me. i'm going to get a lot of these voters. and he has. >> if john kasich cannot win, do
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well in pennsylvania, the state where he was born, a spot like ohio, he doesn't have much of an argument. >> i wonder if he'd gotten the backing from these people who have decided to push cruz to try and stop trump, i wonder if kasich -- >> that's the point. a two-term governor from ohio. >> with a national security vision more in line with lindsey graham and national security establishment. i'm surprised he didn't assemble -- there were a bunch of generals. i'm surprised kasich didn't assemble a national security coalition and sort of put them out because the republican establishment views cruz's record on intel and defense with deep suspicion. >> great on national security. he also happened to be the first budget chairman in a generation to balance the budget. >> the economy, jobs. >> the first since the 1920s to balance it four years in a row. a conservative that can work
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with democrats. again, this isn't about kasich versus trump. this is about kasich versus cruz. why has the establishment chosen the guy that is barry goldwater's ugly stepson. >> if you're going to rig the game, make the right choice. >> ultimately this guy is going to win nine, ten states. i've got a lot of friends really embarrassing themselves right now by telling me he can win the general election against hillary clinton. this beautiful boston red sox cup has a very better chance of picking up swing states than does ted cruz. go ahead. >> i agree. and it's contradictory. it's as if the establishment is saying we have to go with cruz because he's ahead of kasich when in fact, that logic would lead them to say, well, we have to go with trump because he's ahead of everybody. if you're going to -- if you're going to somehow get rid of, or
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bypass the clear front-runner and incur the wrath of the base, why not go to the guy who could do well in the general election as opposed to the guy who couldn't do well in the general election and who you don't like in the first place. i don't understand it. that's why i have no faith in the party establishment or what's left of them to be able to do anything at the convention. >> last night -- >> the three reasons why the establishment didn't go with him? >> yes. >> he's still behind marco rubio in delegates. he has a lot of positions that's are moderate that the establishment thought if he did well, trump would kill him on, and he's rubbed people the wrong way. we love him but he's rubbed people the wrong way. >> unlike ted cruz. >> who are you talking about? >> john kasich has rubbed people the wrong way. he's behind marco rubio in delegates. if you want to stop trump --
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>> john kasich has rubbed people the wrong way? >> he has. >> you're talking about john kasich as opposed to ted cruz or donald trump? >> there are two republicans who are amongst the most famous republicans in the land who were courted by both ted cruz and john kasich for their support. and they just -- both of them describe one as having been charming and solicitous and gracious and one was not. the one who was not is john kasich. >> they really have good judgment. >> i hope that works for them. >> hillary clinton wins 41 states. they're proud of themselves. >> the establishment doesn't like him, it's the voters haven't shown any affinity. he won ohio, his home state. >> he won that with a certain flare. still ahead on "morning joe," if it's a day that ends in "y" there's a chance of bernie sanders turning out a massive crowd. last night was no exception in new york. bucan he make up a major deficit
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in the polls to hillary clinton? and in just moments, turn the page in the republican race. >> maryland is going to have an outsized voice as the nation is looking to maryland to decide, do we nominate donald trump and hand the election to hillary clinton? >> somebody is eating a lot of crabcakes there. >> ted cruz wasn't even in new york yesterday. the field looks ahead to maryland, pennsylvania, but if your name isn't trump, it's an uphill battle. first, here's bill karins with a look at houston, texas, this morning under water. bill, what is it looking like? >> water starting to recede boo the damage is done. about five deaths. this was yesterday morning when we were realizing how bad it was after about 12 hours of thunderstorms sat over the same spots overnight. look at these pictures from this apartment complex.
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announcement to you on this beautiful evening. are you ready for this? all right. here it is. i am prepared tonight to announce i will release all of the transcripts of all of the speeches that i have given behind closed doors to wall street. are you ready? here they are! >> that's so funny. here they are! nothing. pretty good. i like it. >> no, it's fine. it's great. >> i think the speech thing is
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unfortunate. >> high comedy? >> no, it's really. >> how is he going to do? >> he's not going to win. >> going to have a good feel for -- >> i wish it would be close. >> closing strong. clinton people are trying to make sure no one think its she wins by five or six that it is some sort of defeat. he's not going to do well enough to meaningfully cut into her dell got lead. >> does he have any shot of winning? >> if he wins he gets a little shot of adrenaline. even if he wins it will be narrowly and they'll split the delegates. >> you have to love the fight, though. >> fight and message and crowds and fund-raising, all very impressive. but she has a lead in pledge delegates, and she's -- >> and votes, right? >> even if he somehow -- >> i understand your point, mark. i understand. >> i am saying, it does have an impact for a woman that would have then lost, what, eight in a
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row? and lost her home state? all of these nicks add up as you move into a general election. donald trump for the next two weeks. hello. look, i'm running against a lady who can't even win her own state. she's lost eight in a row. >> he'll say that even if it isn't true. he's trump. >> she would love to start rebuilding her image and not having to worry about him. and that's partly what today is about. use today to say to -- >> close the door. >> that's it. you can keep running but stop the attacks. >> if she wins by double digits, then that is a huge win for her and she can say it's been nice, bernie is great, let's join together. and i think most people would understand that. >> he's really only accelerated his attacks, though. over the last couple of weeks. yesterday accused her of violating campaign finance laws. she's using it to improperly pay
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people in her campaign. these are not surface attacks or glancing blows. he's cutting deep until the end. >> he knows he needs to win new york. >> despite leading in most polls by double digits, hillary clinton took nothing for granted yesterday making eight stops across manhattan and the surrounding area. she spoke with employees at a hospital, stopped by a car wash, drank bubble tea. held a rally alongside gabby giffords, ate ice scream. spoke with volunteers, met with culinary workers and finished her day as an irish americans for hillary. it was filled with tough swipes at her opponent and a bold preduction about the state of the race. >> what about the greed and recklessness of the gun manufacturers and sellers?
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i couldn't believe it when senator sanders said the parents of the sandy hook children did not deserve their day in court. largely because he voted for the bill that gave special protections, immunity from liability to the gunmakers and sellers. >> i am hoping to do really well tomorrow and hoping to wrap up the democratic nomination, but i'm not taking anything for granted. i've got to quickly add that before anybody has the wrong impression. after tomorrow, we have to go to pennsylvania and connecticut and rhode island and delaware and maryland and then all the way to california on june the 7th. so we have to stay with this. but then we also have to get ready for the general election which is going to be really, really challenging. >> she also had this moment with a local radio station. we'll let you decide if it's
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pandering or not. >> what is something you always carry with you. >> hot sauce. >> really? >> yeah. >> really? >> hot sauce in my bag swag? >> hot sauce. >> i want you to know people are going to say she's pandering to black people. >> okay. >> is it working? >> willie, explain that to us. >> well, mark halperin reports that she does, in fact, carry hot sauce in her bag. it's a line from a beyonce song where she says i have hot sauce in my bag swag. but she does carry it. >> she does. >> did she show the hot sauce? >> i guarantee you she carries hot sauce. guarantee you. i like that. >> i like that move, if true. it's good on grapefruit. coming up on "morning joe," party crashers. donald trump accuses the republican race of being rigged.
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is it rigged? >> it's rigged. they're all rigged. >> it's rigged for cruz. what are you doing? >> it's unbelievable. >> now bernie sanders' campaign accuses the clinton camp of a shady setup. >> you think so? >> it's been shady from the get-go. >> it's rigged. >> and how this year's fashion is taking on the party bosses. that's still to come on "morning joe."
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we're going to show ted cruz, who hates new york, hates new york. when you look at that debate and you see the way he talked about us and new york values, here's a man that turned down sandy money for this state and plenty of other money. we had lots of things coming into new york and he voted against. no new yorker can vote for ted cruz. >> oh, boy. joining us from brooklyn, new york, nbc news correspondent halle jackson who is covering the cruz campaign. ted cruz is already looking past new york. >> isn't anyone going to vote for him? >> this guy is new york. >> he is so not new york. what's his primary strategy, halle, looking ahead? >> it's very telling that's ted cruz tonight is not in brooklyn or manhattan or any of the boroughs or state. he's in pennsylvania.
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he'll be in philly for his watch party tonight. that's indicative of where he and his campaign see this race going, to pennsylvania, where they are looking to make a play for these unbound delegates. even if they come in third they believe they'll pick up more than half the delegates there. they are looking at more than 30. also looking to play in maryland. and in the northeastern states like indiana and nebraska. the cruz campaign is aware the next ten days is not going to be favorable for them. donald trump is leading in all of these polls by a significant amount. he's up by double digits. that is why when you look ahead to the beginning of may, indiana and nebraska become important not just for ted cruz but the stop trump movement. i've been talking to folks running things behind the scenes of that movement. they are looking to those two states. not necessarily maryland. cruz and kasich of competing for the anti-trump vote in maryland.
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maybe it's not a great place to coalesce the stop trump folks. but indiana is where they think they can put in some money and time and have something effective. that could give them momentum heading into the rest of the race as it goes west. joining us to talk about all of this and more, editor of commentary magazine, columnist at "the new york post" and contributing editor at the weekly standard, john fedoritz. >> are you okay? >> i'm good. >> i'm not sure you're okay. >> i'm totally fine. >> how does that make you feel? >> it makes me feel good. feeling such warmth and care. >> and nice to have you on board, ali. >> i'm with her, i guess. how do i avoid a line that says bernie sanders, what's the poll
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suggests as, bernie sanders isn't running a revolution but he's garnering votes from the checkout line at whole foods. >> i like bernie. i'm happy to have my vote count for once. bernie sanders' support is getting half latinos, losing minorities. that does not a revolution make. he's getting young people. when i was young, i've got a bill bradley sticker, too. like young liberals are supposed to vote for this guy. overall, he's not attracting the white male class, white working class. he's not attracting the trump voters or aarp voters you'd need to bring together to make the revolution he says he needs. >> and on the republican side, ted cruz. explain how ted cruz encapsulates to you as a native new yorker. new york values. >> well, i think -- >> how bad will it be for ted
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cruz in other words? >> if he come in behind john kasich, it will be pretty bad. you know, the story two weeks ago was that he had won wisconsin by 13 points, and the story the other day is he won the wyoming caucus and he's been fiddling and getting delegates here and there. the problem for cruz is he's not going to win any states for the next month -- >> right. >> -- and it's conceivable he won't win the states he's supposed to win like indiana and nebraska, and you could have a situation in which he's winning hundreds of delegates, gets to june 7th when california happens. trump wins the popular vote in california and they all split the delegates. his argument from june 7th to july 21st when the convention starts is, i'm the guy to unite the party and go forward when he will have won 14, 15 states.
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>> and lost to john kasich in some of the later states. >> we don't know that that's happening, but cruz has a real problem. if he wants to make the argument he's the consensus candidate of the republican party, he has to win votes from here on in. this only serve to coalesce because he won a primary at a major state, major midwestern state and, obviously, the calendar got bad for him. >> right. >> but this is pretty bad. granted he was sort of baked in the cake because he said the new york values thing. but pennsylvania -- >> he should be getting 30% of the vote. >> new jersey, you go through all of them, and he's not doing well. we've been asking around the table this morning that we don't get is when there is a choice between john kasich, balanced the budget first time in a generation, four in a row since the 1920s. governor of the most important swing state for republicans,
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two-term governor, why didn't the, quote, establishment, whoever that's is, why didn't they coalesce behind him more quickly than ted cruz? >> you, of all people, know that behind the scenes the john kasich campaigning as the soft fuzzy nice empathetic guy is not the john kasich people in republican politics know and have known for 24 years. >> i like him. >> i like him, too, by the way, but he's a very edgy guy. he does not suffer fools gladly. this is not the person that is getting the positive votes is not the person that longtime republicans and republican donors know at all. and they don't like him because he's not that likable. and he was heterodox. here's the thing. a year ago, he was heterodox on obamacare. a year ago people are making their choices. i'm not picking him. he took the obamacare money.
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now that seems like 500 years ago. >> it's child's play compared to -- >> but it didn't seem that way in 2015 when people were making their choice. >> i worked with kasich. yeah there was an edge to him but i loved the guy. i heard a lot of what john's heard from the establishment. i don't get it. >> i don't get it, especially given the alternatives that seem pretty -- >> we're talking about a year ago. there was the governor of wisconsin. there was this flashy senator from florida. jeb bush. all these alternatives. kasich, the story about kasich is he just didn't drop out. that's the story. the story is any other candidate, because he had ohio on the schedule, he didn't drop. but any other candidate would have dropped long since. >> this is the case you make for hillary. it's a pretty good one. there's a reason bill de blasio, the most progressive mayor that we're likely to see in this city
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for a long, long time endorsed hillary clinton and not bernie sanders. that reason is pretty much the transcript of sanders meet with the daily news editorial board. hillary clinton is a hawkish left of center policy wonk. she believes in inkremtsal change and compromise. she'd rather pass a crappy law that has some flaws than watch a great law die in committee. uninspiring increptal realist plan is why i'll be voting for her. i guess until something practically better comes along. >> yea. >> how exciting. >> i have lots of friends and progressive family members. they get bernie and are excited by bernie. let's bring it back to the black community. there's a reason bernie is losing 2-1 in the african-american community. >> why is that? >> lots of reasons. at a fundamental level, we just
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voted for obama and saw how far hope and change and great speeches can get us. it gets us great and complex retractable congress. he's not giving a better speech or more hopeful or changeful. hillary has an actual practical plan for getting that little bit of change that obama has been doing through this very difficult political system. very difficult political congress. bernie is just kind of offering what we already voted for with obama. that's a big reason why he's und underperforming in the african-american community. >> to elie's point, that's is politics in america. the choice is mostly unpalatable. you don't like some people for certain reasons. you pick the person that you think will get the stuff you think is important done better than the other guy. and indulging in the illusion that's you'll be delivered by a
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savior is very much a recipe for horrendous disappointment. >> that's true. >> there you go. you can take that advice for yourself. >> he is. he's a very practical guy. >> elie and john, thank you. thank you for holding it together today. >> he was upset last time we were together. >> no, he wasn't. >> yes, he was. >> i'm in total resignation. >> i have 20-year-olds calling me, why are you killing my hopes and dreams? >> i look at john and -- >> the sweetest man. >> it's zen. it's going to be okay. still ahead this morning, the dow closed over 18,000 for the first time since year. and this morning futures are also looking good. we'll go live to the new york stock exchange next. turns out lemon juice doesn't cure pink eye. hi. how are you doing today? that's how i am. red head fred. ultra rare.
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this is a campaign on the move. this is a political revolution sweeping america.
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from coast to coast, this is a movement getting the establishment very, very nervous. >> can we just go back a segment or two. >> sure. >> john fedoritz, very zen. >> very zen. >> there's a certain stillness about him now. >> a steely -- >> he's resigned to america's future and america's present. >> he's resolute. bernie sanders campaign through new york state will be remembered for huge crowds. stunning backdrops and rallies that feel like rock concerts. "morning joe's" lewis bergorf went to queens last night. >> it's the eve of the primary in new york and we're in queens. not at a music festival, at a bernie sanders rally.
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>> you all look beautiful. >> you got tv on the radio. so it could be a boneroo but you've got bernie sanders in the flesh and it's exciting. >> what's your favorite three things about bernie? >> he's honest, authentic. >> anti-war. >> pro-choice, honest and -- we can keep it at two words. >> he's consistent. >> he considers women to be equal to men and talks about that very openly. >> he woke me occupy a whole bunch of other things. not only climate change but universal health care. free tuition. >> i feel like he's speaking to, i guess, our generation of people. >> honest, integrity and compassionate. >> he doesn't like to stay with
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the status quo. >> he's different. >> he caught a case. he caught a case from our community. he did what he did during the civil rights movement for me. i can do my part for him. >> will you vote for hillary clinton if she ends up winning the nomination? >> probably not. >> if bernie doesn't get it, of course i'll back hillary. >> i think she'd make a great president, too. the democratic party is where my heart is. >> i hope we have bernie sanders. >> definitely. i can't vote for trump or cruz. >> you have to have the bern on the inside. >> i want to send out a hug. put your left hand over your right shoulder and squeeze. that's a hug from me n bernie. >> my generation thinks that by saying something on facebook or liking a poll , we're going to o
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something but bernie is actually bringing people out to vote. >> i just, you know -- it was interesting to hear from a guy who said he caught -- >> he woke me up. >> he woke me up. i think that's what he did on a lot of issues with people who were out of it and not thinking about things. but something was simmering inside. they couldn't put words to it. bernie did it. >> in europe their parties represent people who feel those. we've never had a major candidate with success that's represented a view that people in sweden and england and germany. did you learn anything? >> let's start with you? >> john is a role model for all of america in so many ways. >> nice guy. >> really is. great writer. >> still and calm. >> what did you learn today? >> i predict hillary clinton and donald trump will clean up tonight. how about you?
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>> yeah, wisconsin was the insurgence time and new york, i think you'll have the two -- >> front-runner time. >> home candidates. >> the empire state strikes back. >> you're going to have queens against chappaqua coming up this fall. and in large part because of what's going to happen here tonight and over the next couple of weeks. that does it for us for now but we're coming back this afternoon from 3:00 to 5:00 p.m. to start the freak show. >> will you be here? >> i wouldn't miss it. stay tuned now for steve kornacki. he picks up coverage after a quick broadcast. break. ing systems so reliable. if there's a breaking point, we'll find it. it's hard to stop a trane.
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