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good afternoon. i'm richard liu live from world headquarters in new york. this weekend, the candidates are fanned out across the northeast ahead of next week's super tuesday east coast primaries. minutes from now hillary clinton will speak to working families at an event in new haven, connecticut. bernie sanders wrapped up a rally in baltimore moments ago. the senator from vermont rousing his supporters today as he faces a steep uphill battle ahead. >> i grew up in a family that had no money. my parents worked hard so that my brother and i could do better than they did. we will not allow that beautiful american dream to die for this generation. >> also today, donald trump hits the trail after his campaign's charm offensive at the rnc spring meeting. the gop frontrunner telling a connecticut crowd today how easy it would be to change his campaign trail demeanor. >> yesterday i was hearing about how i'm going to become presidential. i can do it.
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presidential is easy. you know what presidential is. i walk on. here. [ applause ] >> trump is finishing up a rally in bridgeport where we find halle jackson. halle, jump addressing new pressure from his family and aides to be more presidential and making some fun of that right there. is that what we saw, i guess some. >> yeah. he sort of is making a joke of it, right. his argument is he's the same way, saying the same things, but maybe says it in a different way when in front of a crowd of 20,000 people versus a crowd of ten people in a conference room, for example. trump you saw him sort of imitate hillary clinton here in bridgeport. you saw him imitate ted cruz a little bit. as he's been ramping up his attacks on cruz. that has been noticeable not only in bridgeport but waterbury where he was earlier. he's been holding his rallies in connecticut ahead of the state's
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primaries on tuesday along with primaries in delaware, maryland and rhode island. trump looks poised to do well. trump's argument is that neither cruz nor kasic have realistic paths to not nomination outright. the argument from his opponents cruz and kasic they can deprive trump of the magic number 1237 to lock up the nomination they can go after him on a second ballot potentially in july. why you saw cruz, for example, meeting with some of the delegate candidates today as he took aim at some of trump's comments as well. a lot happening on the campaign trail. a busy weekend ahead of tuesday's primary. keeping an eye on it in connecticut. >> one of the reports out there is that the trump campaign had asked not for those who are attending to bring signs or banners, the video clearly shows they did bring them, what's the word on that request? >> well, you know, we often go to these rallies in connecticut,
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you saw it in delaware, they have signs and bappers and a way for folks to show enthusiasm. a pretty fired up crowd in bridgeport for a saturday afternoon. a number of protests as is typical for a trump rallies. we're inside a theater in the town of bridgeport along connecticut and this place as you might have seen last hour was packed to the gills, people in the balcony as trump took the stage here. >> halle jackson, appreciate it. trump does as projected in tuesday the next best chance for the anti-trump movement indiana. trump lead business six points ahead of the may 3rd primary. msnbc is in veego county, indiana, this area has picked the correct presidential winner since 1888. two times when they got it wrong. tony you your magic 8 ball out and how's it looking this year? >> they've gotten it right almost every time back to 1888 and they're on a good streak, 30
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consecutive times in a row. this is baseler's market in downtown terra haute, the epicenter of the county. this is preston and the owner says if preston were to vote, a trump guy. >> trump guy. >> some insight into which direction this bellwether county could go. i have the mayor, a special guest, duke bennett, thank you for joining us. >> nice to be here. >> your county gets it right, you pick presidential winners, ted cruz is going to be here tomorrow, donald trump likely to be here at some point. which direction on the republican side do you think your people are going to go for? >> the trump thing seems to be the overriding thing i'm hearing from people. there's a lot of cruz folks, no doubt, but it just seems like people are looking for something totally different. kind of outside of the box thinking. that's what i'm hearing daily. >> the other thing that's interesting is indiana has no party registration. the whole state can switch one way and then the other way. people in the middle do you think they'll break for trump? >> what's interesting is what
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i'm seeing there's democrats who are for trump and democrats against trump. same thing on the republican side whether they cross over and take another ballot remains to be seem. it seems like not a normal election. people are looking for something different, exciting, change and that's why i think they're leaning towards trump. >> ted cruz out on the campaign trail right now, he's really hitting the social issues hard, the bathroom law in north carolina, abortion. do you think that's a smart play with voters in terra haute? >> it hasn't worked very well for the state government to delve into that. we've seen as lot of pushback. you know, i understand the -- why people want to bring that to the table but there are other issues that need to be addressed. i think it could help and hurt depending on who decides to take that on, on the mantle. so once again, this is just a unique year. i've never seen anything like it. >> one question about the tone of donald trump. he's one way in public and his advisors say in private a little
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different. do you think that that kind of flip flopping, that two-facedness will trouble the voters around here? >> when i run for office you can't get away with that easley. kind of what to know who am i voting for. the difference with donald trump he's not a politician and so you kind of get yourself into position sometimes because you don't think about a political answer, you think about what you're thinking in your head. i just tell you, once again, it's going to be interesting. people are reacting in a variety of ways. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> richard, the first time in 40 years that indiana had a primary where the republican nominee has not been decided. exciting times around here. >> quite a center of activity there. dozen roses, basket of fruit, the mayor and future of the united states in one supermarket. it's great stuff. tony, thank you so much. >> that's right. turning to democrats, bernie sanders wrapped up a rally in baltimore, maryland, a short while ago. sanders trails in maryland and three other states voting tuesday. he has two more scheduled stops today in wilmington, delaware, back to baltimore for him. joining me from baltimore is
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nbc's chris jansing. hey, chris. >> hey, how are you doing, richard? >> very good. tell us what are you seeing there in -- where you are at in baltimore? >> well, first can i say it's amazing how quickly 6600 people can leave an auditorium. but they were here. many of them waited in line for four or five hours. bernie sanders spoke for about an hour. hitting on many of the same points we've heard from him before, including going after hillary clinton on everything from how much money she makes on speeches, whether she should police those speeches, fracking, you name it. this is a campaign, though, that knows it has got an incredible hill to climb, down in the polls in every one of the five states that vote on tuesday. that's not stopping him. he is going to go to each of those five states and believe that -- believes that in at least three of them he could make a move. one of his supporters danny glover the actor and long-time civil rights activist said he
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still is a believer. take a listen. >> of course i think he can win. i'm out here believing he can win. believing that his voice matters and our voice matters. and i think that that is most important thing for me, that we begin to -- we talk about a movement, certainly doesn't start or stop with bernie sanders. it's a continuation of a movement for justice and world justice and real change. >> reporter: it's the same thing i hear from people on-line throughout bernie sanders' campaigns, that they believe they are part of a movement. they still think something could happen, that a miracle could happen, that he could win, but if that doesn't, they want to know that the kinds of ideas he espouses are going to continue on and to that end i asked danny glover, if bernie sanders is not the nominee could you support hillary clinton? he would not answer that question. he would not say he would support her. very often what they'll say to me, we need to see something
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from her, some indication that she's going to adopt many of the ideas that bernie sanders believes in. these range from single payer in medicare, of course, free college tuition, some of the ideas on climate change. so this is a campaign that's really working on a lot of different levels. one, it still has many of its obviously primaries ahead of it, all the way through california. we expect bernie sanders to stay in. but at the same time, trying to make moves that make sure that if he is not the nominee, that this is a movement that continues. richard? >> chris, what are you hearing from the campaigns and voters on the ground? as you know within the last week, the anniversary of freddie gray, his death, as well as the black lives matters movement, so key in the last year, the unrest which you're so aware of, is that on voters' minds, something that campaigns are addressing at all? >> yeah. it absolutely is. in fact, this was mostly a
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pretty standard stump speech. i think my observation, and the observation of other people following the campaign, he was more personal, more specific to baltimore than i have heard him before. he talked a lot about changing criminal justice and talked about how we as a country he believes we need to look at the way policing is done. we need essentially without talking very specifically about black lives matter, talking about the way that blacks in america are treated in the criminal justice system. specific references here today, not part of his standard stump speech and that he spoke very directly to the people of baltimore in that way, richard. >> we'll see how that resonates voting day on tuesday. chris jansing in baltimore, maryland. thank you. i appreciate that. hillary clinton just arrived at her event in new haven connecticut and she will head to central falls rhode island at the high school where we find kelly o'donnell. where is the clinton campaign focusing time and money there,
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as we know it's sort of an expected conclusion that she'll do quite well. >> well, doing well is something you can only count on after the votes are fully tallied. campaigns like to show that they are paying respect to voters by turning out and being present. so because these states involved tuesday are fairly close together, sort of northeast block, it makes it easy for candidates to get around and make multiple stops, hitting more than one state in a day. right now, some of those who are interested to see hillary clinton are gathered behind me, waiting in line for an event that will happen a couple hours from now and as you pointed out she is currently in connecticut at a cafe near the yale cam ps pus in new haven talking about issues important to working families, joined by the democratic congresswoman from that district, and i'm told by a sharp observer on the ground that that place, the cafe, is known for square doughnuts. perhaps she'll sample some of those before she makes her way
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here to rhode island. now this state is different, richard, than the others voting on tuesday. that is because rhode island has about half of its registered voters who identify themselves as unaffiliated and democrats are about 39%. so this is a place where on election day, voters are given the option to select a party where they can cast a ballot in the primary. so they could choose to be democrat or republican for the day and then they get to participate. the other four states voting on tuesday are what's known as closed primaries, where only democrats are able to cast a ballot. that's important because for bernie sanders, often his support is drawn from independents, people who don't necessarily have a strong democratic party identification. hillary clinton wants to be sure she's here in rhode island to blunt the potential that bernie sanders might do better than expected in a place like rhode island. connecticut is another state
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where he has been able to draw support, especially in the communities around campuses and you note she's at a campus hangout near yale. the orange side cafe today. trying to make sure she is stopping in places which might be natural ground for bernie sanders. that's a good tactic for any campaign. sanders does it as well. just trying to get exposure in as many media markets and to as many voters as they can before tuesday. richard? >> thank you so much, nbc's kelly o'donnell for us in rhode island, at central falls high. appreciate it. much more on the presidential race still ahead for you. donald trump seeming to give up on a key voting block. what the republican frontrunner said hours ago. we share that with you. plus, the new attack bernie sanders' campaign launched against hillary clinton right here on msnbc. ok team, what if 30,000 people download the new app? we're good. okay... what if a million people download the new app? we're good. five million? good. we scale on demand.
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days from now. contests that could put donald trump and hillary clinton within striking kiss tance of their party's nominations. here to discuss the final sprint to the finish, michael steele former senior adviser to jeb bush, david corner, washington bureau chief for mother jones and "time" magazine washington correspondent jay newton small. start with this, donald trump raising eyebrows with this comment and to our panel, listen to it first and then i'll get your response. >> so what happens is they come in, and you know part of the reason they want to do this because those people when they ultimately become citizens not one person going to vote republican, i can tell you. that's one of the things they have in their mind. not one person. in 10 years, 20 years. you can forget that. somebody saying well that's good we must go and meet the people and greet them and talk about the republican values. i said are you crazy. you don't have a shot. folks here might say is he crazy because he is laying out a line right now saying that immigrants in the united states will not
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vote for a republican candidate. pretty stark, pretty clear in what his statement is. your reaction? >> it's insane. this is a nation of immigrants. you're not going to be winning votes from immigrants you will not be the party of the future. this is the central problem. he alienates people you need to win in november. he alienates hispanic americans, women, alienates veterans. that's why it's incumbent upon us to somehow stop him from getting the nomination because if he does get the nomination, the rest of the party is going to spend the rest of this year in manage the damage mode trying to protect the senate and house. >> david, just by the math here, building on what michael is saying here, one in eight americans born abroad, one in eight. >> yeah. >> and he is saying here, and he's not only alienating latino americans or latinos and women, he's alienating asian american pacific islanders, african-americans, many of these groups of which have immigrant
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citizens within their voting groups. >> yeah. donald trump is a problem for the republican party because of all this. but the party -- the problem is bigger than donald trump. you know, not every republican is anti-immigrant but most anti-immigrant people flock to the party. the republican party unable to pass immigration reform. you have the republican party playing ftse with birthers including donald trump taking his money for years. donald trump is sort of embodying these strains within the republican party, anti-black, anti-immigrant and anti-latino. and that's a big issue. >> jay, what about this turn turns being presidential, this statement, we pulled this from today's rally, does not sound like that's the pivot as of yet, at least the consistent pivot. >> it's true that, you know, richard, his aides spent the entire week in hollywood, florida, trying to court the republican establishment, trying to sort of smooth things over and say you're going to see a
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completely different kind of fwra donald trump, see him toning it down and becoming more presidential and more gravitas and you're not seeing that from donald trump on the campaign trail. he still is doing all of the things that really grates on the republican establishment putting off these groups like immigrants and his number one rival here you forget ted cruz is an immigrant himself who is a republican. >> right. >> and so, you know, it's -- they don't all seem to be on the same page in the donald trump campaign and i don't know they're ever going to be. we'll. >> many of those immigrants registered republicans, yet he is saying they will not vote for candidate of the party that he is now running for and in. let's move over to the democrats. bernie sanders the campaign manager there jeff weaver was on msnbc earlier today and he touchdown the attack on hillary clinton's support of the 1994 crime bill which you might remember. see what he said. >> evidence to suggest that the clinton administration or secretary clinton thought that
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they were particularly onerous parts of the crime bill. nor sanders was on the floor of the house railing against the mass incarceration provision. when someone uses the term super predators tells us what we need to know about the view of the crime bill and those onerous incarcerations. >> the line of attack from weave will it work for the sanders' campaign as they try to make up a gap right now in the delegates and the voting that they need? >> well the issue of criminal reform is cared most about in the african-american community, but wider community as well. that community seems really, really tight with hillary clinton in the democratic primaries. bernie sanders voted for the crime bill and a quote floating around he wanted to raise the penalties on people using powder cocaine to match those that were more onerous in using crack cocaine. he wanted equality, not bringing
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down the penalties leading to mass incarceration. i think it's a hard issue and substance from the gain, a big leg up on hillary clinton in that important democratic constituency. >> also on friday was a busies news day as you were watching. president obama making headlines as he stood next to james cameron, this on the discussion of whether britain should exit the european union. brexit. and he came out with that op-ed saying no, the uk should not leave the eu. hillary clinton also sharing the administration's opposition to the potential exit and that vote that's coming up. jay, will republicans that are running for president here use things as ammo against the democratic nominee? >> it's interesting she's weighing in on foreign policy, even barack obama weighing in on this foreign policy because it's an internal british decision. the united states nevers like it when people weigh in on internal
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american decisions yet they are coming down saying britain should not exit the european union it's in the best interest of both sides of the aisle to remain in the european union and they're stronger for it. it is interesting particularly as a candidate hillary clinton is weighing in on this stuff when she's, obviously, not even the nominee yet, just a candidate here, let alone the president weighing in. it could become something for republicans to use against them. >> interesting here because there have been the comments made by donald trump when it comes to the trade deals and at stake here in this discussion, is, obviously, the transatlantic trade deal here. ttip. do you see this resonating moving forward for republicans as they go up against the democratic nominee. >> whether you think brexit is a good or bad idea, it's extraordinary for the white house and an american administration and american political candidate to weigh in on what is essentially a matter
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for the democratic government of our strongest and oldest ally to decide. i can certainly see it as an issue going forward from republicans and even others in the democratic party who don't think it's appropriate for the american government to be telling british voters and elected representatives what to do. >> david, quickly, here a no-win situation for the president? >> i think there are few voters out there who will be ticked off any candidate on any position whether britain should leave or stay with the eu. of all the things voters care about that's going to be far downs the list. >> on a very long list. david thank you, michael, jay newton small, "time" magazine, thank you all on this saturday. >> thanks, richard. next to the investigation into the death of music icon prince. an autopsy now complete, but there are many unanswered questions remaining. we'll take you live to prince's estate paisley park as tributes continue to pour in on this saturday. ♪ ♪
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memorial service. thousands still paying their respects at prince's paisley park compound in suburban minneapolis. that's where we find nbc's blake mccoy. good day to you. what are most of the mourners there, what's on their mind? >> richard, it's amazing how many of them have come out today, it's a beautiful day here in minneapolis, mid 60s, which sounds cold for the rest of the country, but nice for mn. . you're seeing thousands of people come out decked out in purple talking about what an original he was. prince was born in minneapolis and when he made it big he chose to stay here in minnesota, keeping his roots here building the paisley park recording studio and home behind us. people have been coming out to be close to this icon of music. one couple i spoke with flew in from virginia last night and they said this is as close as they'll ever be to prince's spirit again and wanted to be here. i spoke with one woman born in rochester, minnesota, about an hour south, moved to minneapolis
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because growing up, heard this is where prince was from and she moved to minneapolis with the sole hope of meeting prince. her wish was fulfilled. take a listen. >> i think he packed a huge punch. my children, i did tell them yesterday, that i am in minneapolis because i moved to minneapolis because i was going to meet prince. that's the whole reason i left home which when i did meet him, i was shocked. >> when did you meet him? >> late '80s. >> okay. where? what was the sirc stance? >> first avenue. and so when i saw him, i thought you got to be kidding me. >> you thought he would be taller? >> he just had such a presence and when you saw him and to pack that much punch and power he was just -- his presence was amazing. but he was very small. petite. but it was amazing. he was amazing. >> small in size, big in persona with prince. his legacy will be huge here in minnesota and across the country. this road is going to be closed
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through at least tomorrow so people can continue to come out and pay their respects. they're signing things on the gate here, leaving flowers, putting up balloons. monday the sheriff's office will reassess how long they will keep the street closed. as far as any funeral arrangements the family has been very tight lipped. right now, this is it. there's no funeral for people to go to, no formal service. people are coming here instead. >> paying respects as well, celebrating his life no doubt there in minneapolis. thank you so much. nbc's blake mccoy. chanhassen, minnesota. watch "dateline" special, "prince life and death of an icon" tonight at 8:00 eastern time on msnbc. you focus on making great burgers, or building the best houses in town. or becoming the next highly-unlikely dotcom superstar. and us, we'll be right there with you, helping with the questions you need answered to get your brand new business started. we're legalzoom and we've already partnered with over a million new business owners to do just that.
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welcome back to msnbc the place for politics. i'm richard lou. the battleground stretching from maryland to rhode island this weekend, five east coast states vote on tuesday. hundreds of delegates at stake
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in three days. clinton leads sanders by nearly 700 delegates as of the latest count. on the republican side donald trump leads ted cruz by 286 delegates. the trump campaign wants to punctuate his argument to be the nominee even if he does not hit 1237. that magic number. msnbc's steve kornacki breaks down trump's delegate math. it remains the big question. >> the question is, can donald trump get to 1237 during the primaries? ted cruz says he can't. we're going to an open convention. there is a path for donald trump he took a big step that way this week, wins new york, practically sweeps it. the delegate lead over ted cruz now close to 300. it was under 200 coming into the week. the better news for donald trump this coming week could be bigger for him. you look at pennsylvania, he's the favorite there. maryland, delaware winner take all, connecticut, rhode island, donald trump comes in with 845
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delegates. if things really break his way tuesday he could be at 950 coming out of this week and month. then it's going to move us to the big test, indiana, if you win the state by a few points you take practically all the delegates. if you lose by a few points you'll take practically none of the delegates. a key test for donald trump. if he gets a win there he could be on that path. if he doesn't, things get dicier. further down the map, west virginia will come in the middle of may. that looks good for donald trump. you have a couple states out here, be nebraska, south dakota and montana, look like ted cruz states, winner take all. trump could do well winner take all of new jersey. some delegates here, some delegates here, some delegates here. proportional states. then, of course, on the final day, on june 7th california, it's a big wild card in this thing. they give out the delegates by congressional district. there are 53 in california. ted cruz is putting hope on the idea he can out organize trump
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in at lot of these delegates. donald trump will need a lot of delegates from california no matter what happens to cross the finish line. before california how well does donald trump do in the rest of this map right here? does he need a good day in california at the end or does he need a really good day? that's what's going to be decided by what happens before then. so the path definitely exists for donald trump to get to 1237. that's the bottom line. >> bottom line. looking towards this tuesday as well as the tuesday after. thank you so much, steve. looking past this tuesday's vote in five states anti-trust forces have zeroed in on indiana, a week later. hoping to build a firewall to try to stop trump there. trump's new top aide paul manafort dismissed the efforts in a conversation with casey hunt. >> what's your sense of the never trump, stop trump, this kind of amorphous movement that wants to keep him from getting
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the nomination. >> we're still winning. they didn't affect nous new york. >> joining me thomas john, chairman for the seventh congressional district for the indiana republican party also at large, a delegate there in indiana. let's start with this. the anti-trump effort what's your sense of how effective it is right now? >> well, i think it's really just ramping up here in indiana right now. i've seen where there are several million dollars in ad buys being made here. i think there is legitimately a shot for them. the polling has anywhere from 6 to 8 points between mr. trump and senator cruz right now, so that's definitely in two weeks or a week and a half, enough time that they could make some impact. >> chairman, let me ask you this, there have been multiple reports in recent weeks that delegates are getting some critical messages shall we say, orhreatening messages from trump supporters. have you received any of these? >> i have. i have received dozens of actual e-mails reaching out and what
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i'll say is expressing their first amendment right as to what they feel about the election or how they feel about mr. trump. then we've received some that have been more spooky, a little more concerning, along the line of letters that have been things that referenced funerals and our families and saying we're being watched and if we don't do the right things we may have to go into hiding. >> can you be more specific about some of the wording that were in these messages that you have received that you feel might be a little more extreme? >> well, specifically, i received an e-mail signed the american, that said, that traditional funerals are polluting the planet and i hope the family as well, tom, and we will be watching you. your name is on a list that is bogey circulated and we'll be watching you. >> do you worry for your safety here? based on the number of e-mails you've received?
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>> based on certain e-mails, that we've received, certainly. based on certain ones i have, i actually referred them to the appropriate authorities. based on others, they're ones where i don't feel like there's an actual threat to me or my family and those i think people have every right to do. >> right. and what have the authorities said after you've reported them? >> well, the state police have said they believe that it was, at this time, political speech and they'd watch it and want to have anybody tell them any time there's something of concern. other authorities i believe are still looking into it. >> do you think the reports of threats, those that you've experienced directly, will affect the outcome as more information comes out, as you get closer to as i was alluding to, that key vote, not this tuesday but the tuesday after? >> well, i don't believe the threats will affect the outcome. however, i do think that they're symptomatic of what may affect the outcome, that being donald trump's rhetoric. donald trump continues with this
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angry rhetoric which is what empowers people i believe to feel they're okay to send these e-mails. as long as he continues that sort of path, i think there's a significant part of the republican electorate that looks at that sand says, that's not the party that we believe or that's not the country our party should represent, and so while i don't think the e-mails will threaten anybody to the point that they'll make a vote one way or the other, i think the rhetoric is a problem. >> does this anger you, the situation you're facing? >> well, it's not anger. it's disturbing our discourse can't be a public discourse where we genuinely debate the issues and discuss the problems of our country of where there are a myriad, but rather it gets into name calling and threats and things like that. as far as anger, you put yourself out there as a leader at some level you're going to take some criticism. >> chairman thomas john chairman of the seventh district of the indiana party, thank you for
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joining us zoo whi. the republican nomination could be decide by 54 people in pennsylvania we've been talking about. the most powerful people on the ballot tuesday night might not be the republican candidates themselves but instead, it may be the 54 unbound delegates selected by voters to go to the gop convention in july. nbc political reporter lee ann caldwell spoke with two of the unbound delegates for before we get to those, you spoke to there, with the candidates battling for every delegate and the stakes so high, explain how pennsylvania's unusual nominating process operates on tuesday night quickly here? >> sure. pennsylvania is a different state. it awards 71 delegates and for 17 of those, it's pretty straightforward. those delegates go to the winner of the state. but for the other 54 that's where it gets confusing. you mentioned the word unbound. these delegates are pretty much free agents. they can vote however they want at the convention on the first
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ballot in cleveland and secondly, voters vote directly for these delegates on the ballot in pennsylvania. and these delegates' names are on the ballot and they don't have affiliation next to their names. voters go into the voting booth and they will see their neighbor's names on this ballot and not going to be affiliated with any presidential candidate, not going to indicate how they might vote in cleveland, and so it's kind of flying blind for many of these voters who are just a casual voter who might not be paying attention to the details of pennsylvania republican politics. it's enough just for them to go ahead and research the candidate, the presidential candidate they want to vote for, and now they have to try to figure out who these delegates actually are and where they stand. >> so leann, basically you have to google them, you a list as you were showing, google and find out what information is available about them in terms of which way they may lean.
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now you spoke to two of the unbound delegates, right? >> that's right. i was in philadelphia for the past couple days and i profiled a couple of these delegates. one is from the second congressional district and -- which represents most of philadelphia, and all of these districts, there's -- well first of all there's three people, three delegates from each congressional district get chosen but in most of these districts, there's four, five, sometimes 13 delegates running. >> right. >> so these delegates actually want to win and if they win they get to go to cleveland. they're spending their own money, sometimes $5,000 or more. >> right. >> sending out mailers to voters in their district and they're trying to win and running a real campaign here. >> and so voters in 20 seconds here, leann, they've got to be able to receive this message for $5,000. basically in their own district. this seems very improbable. >> it's an uphill battle.
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a lot of voters are confused about the process, don't know who to vote for. luckily a lot of the local newspapers and media outlets are trying to let voters know who these delegates are and they will be people outside the voting booth on tuesday trying to inform them as well. >> you just hope you have a familiar name or at the top of the list when you look at that delegate list. >> yes. >> thank you so much, reporter for next for you, how hundreds of thousands of independent voters in california, they may not be able to vote for their candidate of choice, when they head to the polls. we explain.
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now while we're focusing on this tuesday's five contests the race for who will be the ultimate nominees could come down to california and its
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primary june 7th. 172 gop delegates will be on the line there. for the democrats, 548. about half a million californians may not be able to cast a ballot in either race. that's because while they thought they were registering as independent voters, they were actually registering with the american independent party, an ultraconservative party that opposes abortions and same-sex marriage and calls for a fence along the entire u.s. border. among those who registered with the aip, actresses demi moore and emma stone and former boxer sugar ray leonard all of who have left leaning tendencies. joining us to discuss the mix-up is "los angeles times" assistant managing editor. christina, thanks for joining us. when you go to register, is it really that confusing and how does this happen? i mean if you want to be an independent or not declare, is it difficult to do. >> california's voter
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registration card has gone through a lot of changes over the men decades. there are two spaces on the form that says yes, i want to disclose a party preference, and then it lists all of the parties and they're in alphabetical order, the american independent party first, and the other side no, i do not wish to disclose a party preference. it has a little asterisk saying you might not be able to participate in a party's primary if you do so. it doesn't ever say anywhere independent. most voters talk on tv about independent voters and the important and swing states et cetera, but never says independent or i am a nonpartisan voter. it's a little confusing. >> looking at it in the newsroom and of those selections, other or to choose not to disclose and the other time you see the word independent is next to the aip, american independent as you see on the screen right here. if you did accidentally pick american independent which is very far right leaning and you want to change, can you do that
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and how do you do that? >> yeah. so the -- we have been hearing from election officials who were concerned about this over the many years. it's one of the fastest growing third parties in california with 473,000 plus members. so what we did is we had a poll done for us where we talked to american independent party members and nearly three in four of them did not realize they were with this party. californians have until may 23rd to register to vote to change their registration and it's important to point out the republicans have a closed primary, only registered republicans can participate in that and donald trump is doing robocalls into the state right now to ask so-called independent voters to change to be republicans. the democrats do allow these declined to state or no party preference voters in. so let's say you think you are an independent voter and you show up to get a democratic primary ballot, the names running for president there people you would have never heard of.
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>> take a step back now. we've got this concern about who you've registered for and it appears it will help democrats perhaps more because it doesn't matter, it's an open primary for democrats there. when we look at who's ahead, and we've got cruz, we've got kasic and then we've got trump, where does it look the best in the state of california for cruz? this as he makes extra efforts perhaps in the central valley there as well as in the south? >> the never trump forces are strong in california. you have a lot of people that have worked with the california republicans and some of the most prominent ones and california republicans are a little more moderate than the rest of the country and in many cases a lot more moderate. so do they unite behind ted cruz who wouldn't be considered a moderate in any other circumstance or do you see he's got a lot of appeal, john kasic the ohio governor has a lot of appeal in the bay area right now. some of the tech communities say they like him. >> right. >> we'll get this playing out over the weekend because next weekend, the california republican party holds its state
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convention and all three candidates will be addressing the delegates as they really try to say they are the ones that should win. >> no doubt you and i will be watching the ground game in the huge state of california and who has the best there. christina, with "the los angeles times" thank you so much. >> have a good one. >> you too. >> with pennsylvania's primary on tuesday donald trump has been on the campaign trail there talking a lot lately about his ivy league degree from the wharton school of business in philadelphia. take a listen. >> very, very importantly, you look at philadelphia, pennsylvania, i went to school at the wharton school, pennsylvania, big, big up, so we're doing great in pennsylvania. >> i went to the great wharton school of finance which is the best school in the world for this, that's okay, most people agree, hardest school to get into, i can tell you, but one of the great, great places. >> i think we're going to do great in pa pa. i went to school in pennsylvania, the wharton school of finance, and i think we're going to do fantastically there. >> he did go to wharton. msnbc spent some time there at wharton on the campus in
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philadelphia to find out how they actually do feel about trump himself. jacob. >> hey, richard. yeah, you don't have to listen very hard to donald trump's stump speech to understand he thinks his time at the wharton school of business at the university of pennsylvania is part of the qualifications he lists to be a good president. the students here at u penn are spending valuable time saturday studying something i don't think i ever did. nevertheless, donald trump looks to have a big win here in pa pa on tuesday. the question is, are the students at his alma mater going to get behind him as well. here's what i found. if you've ever heard donald trump talk on the campaign trail you heard him talk about being an ivy league student at the wharton school of business at upen. weight your name? >> my name is miles. >> my brother's name is miles. nice to meet you. >> with a "y" or "i." >> with an "i." >> i'm with an "y." >> you know who else went to
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wharton? >> many people. >> special guy running for president on tuesday? >> donald trump. >> donald trump. >> yeah. >> does donald trump go into wharton make you want to vote for him more since you go to wharton? >> to tnot at all. >> do you feel he's a good representation of wharton? >> he is not a good reputation of wharton. >> why not? >> because wharton has an amazing diverse group of students and people who go here and donald trump is not reflective of what goes on at wharton. >> are you a donald trump fan? >> no. >> how come? >> i'm originally syrian. i guess you can connect the dots there. >> he talks about your school a lot when he talks about running for president. what do you think when he says that stuff? i went to wharton and very smart. >> my mom asks me that question every day. >> what do you mean? >> she's scared i'm going to turn into him. >> what does your mom say? >> c yourop out of wharton some. >> no. >> why? >> you went here. >> donald trump went here. >> what do you say? >> don't worry, i'm here to make the world better. >> who else went to wharton some. >> i do also know. >> who? >> i think we all know the
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answer to that question. >> donl j. -- >> i have to clarify i'm an mba student. i believe he was an undergrad here. >> are you going to vote for donald trump. >> i will not be voting for donald trump. he doesn't represent my values. i believe in an america where people come together and talk about their problems peacefully and resolve them. >> how do you feel your school is part of the stump speech? >> he speaks for himself. i do not believe that he speaks for wharton. >> you go to school here at wharton. >> yeah. >> who else went to wharton? >> who. >> donald trump. >> yeah. i don't care. >> he talks about it all the time and says i went to wharton, an ivy league school. vote for me because i went to wharton. >> he also has very small loan from his father for a million dollars. i don't know what to say about that. >> you don't know? >> no. i'm going to vote for bernie. >> in all fairness. richard, to donald trump i'm not sure he needs the students at upen to get him over the top, polling well ahead here in pennsylvania. it's these unbound delegates that matter over the popular
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vote any how but the fact remains the folks i talked to at least here at upenn and the students at wharton, didn't seem particularly fond of sdmoop probably wishing they went to michigan or something. jacob in philadelphia. that's all for me. stay with msnbc for updates on the 2016 political race throughout the day. thanks for joining us. you live life your way. we can help you retire your way, too. financial guidance while you're mastering life. from chase. so you can. i'vand i'm doing just fine. allergies.mastering life. claritin provides 24-hour relief of symptoms that can be triggered by over 200 allergens. yeah, over 200 allergens!
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