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heart. can she be to the young the battle veteran whose been through the bloody fights before and gives confidence to the worry of every age that yes, i'm just the one to take you through this. i'm chris matthews, thanks for watching. bitter battles until the final ballot. >> i'm going all the way. >> i'm beating hillary clinton. >> a political revolution. >> america has never stopped being great. >> the struggle for the nomination turns to time worn traditions, shadow operations for the last uncommitted delegates. >> we ended up with 1180 tonight. >> we researched them in detail. we knew who they talked to. we knew who they slept with. we knew who turned them on. we knew who turned them off. >> jimmy steward came and met
with the delegation. >> the mississippiens have been corded by regan. everything but flowers and candy. >> the nomination process is decided not by primaries, by those delegates at the convention. >> and poll liticitical convent with confusion and chaos. >> turmoil. tension. >> there were rumors every day of assassinations that are going to happen, blowing up this or disrupting that. >> glass being thrown down from the upper floors and hitting people below was chaotic. >> we started to chant the whole world is watching. >> now with the whole world again watching, whose votes really count? >> it is a strange way to pick a presidential candidate to run the united states of america.
♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm a constitutional conservative. >> i'm an army veteran with two overseas deployments. >> i'm a lifelong republican. >> recovering democrat. >> i'm tall. >> i got a silly hat on, okay? >> i'm from a religious liberty. >> i'm pro-second amendment. >> it's as big as how i'm going to work for you. >> send me to cleveland. >> our party needs more young people to be the face of the party at the convention, great. >> see our nation was endowed by our creator. >> i'm unpledged. >> i hear the call to go forward to the national convention. >> these folks are competing in an under the radar campaign for
what might be the most powerful positions. this meet income a denver church is one of many in cities and downs across the country. >> i'm battle tested. i've been to war and i want to be your delegate. >> millions of americans have gone to the polls in the past several months to vote for a candidate but it's the party's delegates that will ultimately decide at the respective national conventions this summer. >> this is where we get a little confused because the primaries are so public, but the nomination process is a party process. >> many people think because they go and vote for somebody, therefore that person becomes the nominee of the party. this is a long process set by rules of the party for the party to pick a nominee of the party. >> party rules dictate how delegates are allocated. >> the democratic party is more comfortable with centralized decision making in washington. so the democrats have a more standard set of rules that they
impose on all the state parties. >> in republican party politics they try to allow the states to make all the decisions that they can. they don't like washington top down here is how you have to do stuff. >> the result is a patch work of ever changing rules that will likely be the center of controversy. even the most seasoned political observers acknowledge they are convolut convoluted. >> we're dealing with a humongous different laws and party rules from 50 states. >> very complex. it's sort of like the i rrrs ta code. >> it all would most have to be designed at a mental asylum for crazy people to follow. >> it is a strange way to pick a presidential candidate to run the united states of america. >> it's confusing. because it is confusing. >> it's a bad system but they don't have any better ideas.
>> most delegates are bound to vote for the candidate that won their state or district, but that's not entirely the case as donald trump recently learned in louisiana. >> even though i won, i getless delegates than the guy that doesn't win. do you think that's fair? it's very simple. i got the most votes and i didn't get the most delegates, right? >> fair or not the rules in a number of states seem to da fie logic. cameron marry ann and mike are set to be unbound delegates that means they can vote for whoever they want. >> we'll go to the convention as uncommitted delegates and we have the tremendous responsibility of determining who will be the best candidate to not only represent the republican party, but the responsibility to win in november and become the leader of the free world. >> number one, i want to see how the statewide results go. i want to see how the district votes and i have, of course, my
own personal preference and i need to weigh all of those issues. >> the republican delegates are unbound regardless who wins the primary. >> what is the connection between the popular vote based on the way that it is structured and we didn't create the rules but based on the way pennsylvania selects delegates, there really is no connection. >> the disconnect is from party bosses and smoke filled rooms, an era that produced the candidacies of lincoln, wilson and franklin roosevelt. over the past few decades, the rules haven't significantly affected the outcome because primaries produced a clear winner with a majority of delegates and the conventions were essentially coronations but with the republican race up in the air, 2016 is likely to be a contested convention with delegates switching sides and strategically changing the rules. >> there is a rules committee. there's a platform committee. there is a credentials committee
that decides disputes about who actually is a delegate from x or y state. if you can get your people on those committees, then that may be just as important as how many delegates you won. >> those delegates sitting in cleveland's arena will control who can be on the ballot. will it be just donald trump? will it be trump and ted cruz? about kasich. will romney and paul ryan be consider considered? it will be up to cameron, mike and mary ann. >> i'm approaching with this humility, confidence and excitement. >> i take this very seriously we need to do our jobs to continue to vet the candidates. >> this is one of those times that every delegate can make a difference. coming up, a few delegates change their minds and alter the course of history. >> i am not apart of the washington establishment and maybe that is the best reason i
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. lying ted cruz, we call him lying ted cruz for a reason. >> nominating donald trump would be a train wreck. >> it's great to be an adult in the room and adult on the debate stage, huh? >> this year the republican presidential candidates are on a collision course that could result in a hotly contested conventi convention. the first since a historic battle 40 years ago. >> the first time in american history that we have a president whom we didn't vote for either as vice president or as president. ♪ ♪ >> july 4th, 1976, america's by centennial, it's 200th birthday, amid the celebrations, the rockets red glare. a limping nation is struggling
with war, 12% inflation, economic dislocation, and of course, watergate. >> mr. vice president, are you prepared to take the oath of office as president of the united states? >> i am, sir. >> gerald r ford, nixon's success sore became the predecessor president after his original vice president was forced from office for tax evasion. >> the republican party was utterly completely decimated so bad as of 1976 the republican party only controls one state house and one governorship that's kansas, that's how bad it was. >> the world is ever conscious of what americans are doing. >> and so in 1976, just over a year into his term, the unele unelected president is running to win the office on his own but unlike most sitting presidents, he faces a fierce fight in his
own party. >> he never asks for the votes of anybody outside one congressional district in michigan so he has very little hold over the american people and even in a way, less so over the republican party. >> enter a fierce challenger, ronald reagan. the ka ris mat tick movie star and two-term governor of california and running as a washington outsider. >> i am north a part of the washington establishment and maybe that is the best reason i have for asking your support. >> regan was incredibly popular governor of california, two-term governor of california. everybody expected regan to be a very strong, very strong challenger. >> we're on the right side on the issues. >> i like mr. ford. i really didn't think he could win a national election, and so we ran against mr. ford for the nomination that year, which normally you don't do for an incumbent president but nobody
voted for mr. ford which gave us the opportunity to do that. >> all of us on the ford team knew that governor regan was a formidable politician, formidable force that had substantial support from the grass roots of the republican party. >> february 1976, new hampshire, the nation's first primary. the president comes in as the front runner, but regan brings his sunny california charm to the frigid northeast. >> the welcome has been very warm. >> the results are a surprise. >> the closest presidential primary ever held in new hampshire is over and gerald r. ford has won by a whisker. >> it's a moral victory for regan, a champagne moment. >> yes, i thought that i could do the symbolic thing this morning. >> the bubbles don't last long. ford puts together a string of
lopsided vehicictories. >> most people were surprised when ford won at the beginning. >> the question was asked over and over again in illinois last week, why is ronnie still running? >> there won't be any folding of my tent and slipping away. i'm in this all the way to kansas. >> as the primaries head down to north carolina and the more conservative south, a tide begins to turn. >> in new hampshire, in florida, in illinois we never expected to win. we knew those were not our strong territories. >> we won't stop that long. >> regan all but counted outcomes roaring back. >> following his close win in yesterday's indiana primary and his run away victories in georgia and alabama, regan is ahead in actually pledged d delegates for the first time. >> it's a horse race and the candidates need to scrap for every vote, especially uncommitted delegates, the ones
that don't publicly disclose choices until the convention. by summer, all republican eyes are turning to mississippi, an uncommitted delegation with what they call the unit rule. >> we had 30 delegates, the state convention elected them and ordered them to be uncommitted, but importantly, to all vote together. they bound them under the unit rule that everybody will vote the same as the majority of the delegation it instructs them to. >> 30 crucial votes in majority takes all contest to get the uncommitted delegates. >> you had the regan camp and ford camp and the six or eight people nobody knew what they would do and they were the ones that would decide what happened. >> doug shanks was ford's mississippi point man pushing for uncommitted delegates in a predominantly regan state. >> people that were truly uncommitted making up their
minds but the president had substantial support in this delegation since the state convention. >> clark reid was mississippi delegation chairman. billy monger was chairman for regan. hailey barber was the delegations chief of staff. in 1976, they are among the most influential republicans in the state, regan supporters all with considerable sway over the delegation. >> we were uncommitted and you were not supposed to be committed to anybody, but obviously, i was. >> i was regan. >> even though i was for regan and most everybody knew, my job was to be neutral. >> all country club guys, good guys but they were the republican party. >> early on, shanks has only six ford delegates and a steep climb to move uncommitted voters over to gain ford the majority and under the unit rule capture all 30 votes. >> we got a photographer here?
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july 1976, with a convention just three weeks away, president gerald ford is hanging on to his lead against the ronald regan insurgency for the republican nomination. he supports holding but desperately needs northern delegates or it's over. he makes a history unprecedented move. >> good evening. the news tonight begins with a big surprise. ronald reagan says he won senator richard schweiker of pennsylvania as his running mate if he gets the nomination. >> richard schweiker is as republican as can be but needs to broaden the candidate's base. >> he was good for this reason. he changed regan's image from being a hard right winger to being somebody that would not
tolerate but happy to have the left wing of the party in. >> maybe so but his conservative miss missippi delegates are thunder struck. >> what in the world? how can this be? he'll take him down. surely, he'll put his name down when he sees what he's done. >> i didn't see it coming. i had no idea they would do it and did not think it was helpful if regan were president and he succeeded him, they were not comfortable that schweiker would be like regan. >> schweiker can bring the delegates, most of whom are leaning to ford. >> it keeps regan's campaign alive until he can figure out how to win the nomination there. so picking richard schweiker was a brilliant stroke. >> three days after reagan schweike rer schweiker's announcement come to reel in the uncommitted
delegates. the presidential seduction begins. >> we got presidents and presidential candidates coming to visit and it was an exciting time and good time for the state. >> we did extensive research that told us everything we needed to know about the delegate. we knew who they talked to. we know who they slept with. we know who turned them on. we knew who turned them off. everything about their background and the organizations they belong to. >> betty ford would call our delegates and ask them to vote for her husband. you would get senators and governors and others, cabinet members that would literally make phone calls to some housewife in north mississippi. there were people invited to events at the white house. that's pretty heavy stuff for somebody being in mississippi. >> unbeknown to me, they had invited clark reid up to a state dinner for queen elizabeth.
>> august 5th, it's regan and schweiker's turn and make sure mississippi delegates that regan has not abandoned the conservative faithful. >> i showed them i didn't have horns and beyond that i think we got great opportunity there is and i believe mississippi is going to stay with governor regan and i'm encouraged. >> pat boon came to mississippi. jimmy steward came and met with the delegation in kansas city. there was a hollywood ora around ronald reagan for good reason. >> sunday, august 15th with one day to go before the convention, thousands of delegates and politicians swarm into kansas city. >> god bless you-all and the convention gets underway tomorrow. >> ronald reagan shortly after he he arrived, our delegate count shows he has 1,036 and still
needs 94 to get the 1130 needed to win. it could turn out the miss m mississippi delegation is decided. >> we were under a microscope. every one on us in the mississippi delegation. i mean, you couldn't say anything without somebody on a national press, a.p., new york times picking up so we were in a fish bowl. >> the ford people went to the mississippi delegation and they said you can be a king maker. you can make jerry ford the president of the united states and he will not forget that. ♪ ♪ >> monday, august 16th, the convention isy called to order. the heat is on. >> everything was electric because nobody knew who the party's nominee would be and there were a lot of balls in play. there were a lot of uncommitted delegates. there was a lot of pilfering of
delegates. >> regan schweiker's strategy failed to close the deal. pennsylvania is sticking with ford. time is running out on the regan campaign. in a desperation move, his campaign manager john sears goes to the rules committee with a last-ditch effort to save the nomination. >> the regan force introduced a resolution which would have required ford to name his vice presidential nominee knee before the balloting for president took place and they figured whoever he named there would be people that would get mad because of that person was not their choice. >> back at their hotel, mississippi delegates caucus over the rule change that would force ford to name his vice president. the nomination itself is on the line. each side digs in for a brutal battle that will tear the delegation apart. >> so many people change that word. some people look me right in the eye. >> it was just awful how they -- at that point they knew they
would be but they had to have their say and it was always very personal and very ugly and even to our spouses, you know, just really ugly. >> people that were very, very good friends have not spoken to each other, i suspect or hardly spoken to each other in the 40 years because this was so contentious. >> by a three-vote margin, the mississippi delegates oppose the regan amendment but unit rule turns into all 30 of their votes. >> voting on the amendment. >> the next day, tuesday, the regan resolution to force ford to name a vice president goes down to defeat. >> contrary nay. >> nay. >> it turned out that vote was really the regan ford vote, and that was the night that the election was sealed. >> the long and nasty fight is over. it is gerald ford for president. but it's ronald reagan who gets the last word and ford calls him
down to the podium. >> we must go forth from here united, determined at what a great general said a few years ago is true. there is no substitute for victory. mr. president -- [ applause ] >> when he made the speech, it was by then too late because jerry ford had the nomination but a lot of people walked out of there saying i think we nominated the wrong guy. >> in november democrat jimmy carter takes the white house from gerald ford a bitter republican loss. the regan revolution that began in the '76 campaign transformed the republican party. 40 years on, another assault on the party's status quo threatens to tear the party apart in 2016's explosive race for dell guilts. >> that's not what politics is. >> the establishment was
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right there helping local forces fight isis. now back to our msnb krrk special.c special. history has a way of repeating itself. and this unpredictable political season is hardly the nation's first. if the 1976 republican convention was about the power of persuading delegates, the 1968 democratic convention marked the end of the establishment's iron rule. american democracy is volatile and not without violence. in 1968 is now iconic testimony. in april of 1968, martin luther king junior's assassination sets the country a flame. by late summer 27,000 american
soldiers have died overseas and the vietnam war is the great divide in american politics. >> about half way through 1968 i wondered whether the american system would survive, i really did. i thought we were not at a revolt stage but people would abandon the idea of how we chose our president. >> as nearly 100,000 people march in washington demanding an end to the war, there is a growing call in the democratic party for an anti war candidate. in a bold move, a poet from minnesota senator eugene m mccarthy answers that call. >> people used to say mccarthy didn't seem like he wanted the presidency. that was his style. people used to ask him if he would be a good president. he would just say i think i would be adequate. that was eugene mccarthy. >> volunteering for senator mccarthy. >> mccarthy's campaign is a
grass roots effort fueled by young volunteers and focus on making a dent in the new hampshire primary against president lyndon johnson. >> he said i will be lucky if i get 5 to 10%. i only got 42% so it just blew the headlines all over the country. >> by then, johnson's handling of the war plummeted his approval rating. sensing the country is turning against him, he makes a shocking announcement. >> and i will not accept the nomination of my party for another term as your president. >> in his place, a reluctant vice president hubert humphrey steps in to take the establishment torch. >> frankly, he was leaving against running. humphry had this feeling that bad things would keep happening and he was going to be engulfed by it. >> my candidacy for the pre presidency of the united states. >> humphry is joined in the ring by robert f. kennedy that
challenges mccarthy winning four primaries to mccarthy's six. but the dream to see another kennedy in the white house would end in the month of june with body kennedy as assassination the night of the california primar primary. >> less than three months later, still reeling, the democrats meet in chicago for the convention. >> there was an enormous energy and anger and so the context of those four days in chicago you can't really appreciate and understand without putting it in the context of what was going on in the world. >> at 20 years old, bill daily has a front row seat to the convention on the side of his dad. >> there were rumors every day of an assassination would happen or poisoning the water system of the city or blowing up this or disrupting that.
>> chicago is still smoldering from the riots following the king assassination. entire neighborhood haves burned causing more than $10 million in damage and with massive protests planned, he is taking no chances with the anti war movement. >> richard daily came out and when we said we'll bring a half million people to protest the war, he just looked at the first amendment and threw it out the window, you know. we had no right to assemble and no right to petition the government. >> daley denies all permits to gather in protest. >> daley was after all the kingpin of the last political machine dynasty in the united states, and the idea that you were going to disrupt in any way his city, there was no place for discussion, you know. >> supported by the national guard, the chicago police force is staffed around the clock. and daley opens the convention
with a clear message. >> there is no reason anyplace, anywhere or anything that will come to chicago and take over our streets, our convention or our city. ♪ ♪ >> as the convention gets off the ground, it clear hubert humphrey is the front runner. >> for more than 100 years in american politics, primaries didn't matter. what mattered were the inside politics of every state's political party. >> back in '68, the delegates arrive at the convention unbound. >> they were all free agents. they were only bound to the extent that they had been chosen by a powerful person in their state. >> but that powerful person held all the cards. >> the old days the open convention really meant where the delegates are picked by the bosses and make all the decisions so it was anything but
open. >> even humphry, the favorite son is not his own man. >> lyndon johnson make no mistake was in control of that convention. his shadow was everywhere and hubert knew that and we knew hubert knew that. >> we found a team of johnson staff there and they made it known that they were going to run things and that johnson might change his mind and run himself if humphry got out of bounds. it was very, very acrimony is on the floor where they are demoralized. >> it was a running, wrestling match and a political cultural clash between the past, the present and what the future was going to look like. >> the convention was the wild west. you weren't sure who was on your side and not and shootups everywhere and you had to be on your toes. >> the killing had to stop. >> the key vote on the floor is
the so-called peace plant. the plan to end the vietnam war and the debate is heated. >> it was more angry shouting back and forth. johnson here and the peace forces there and there was a lot of anger and shouting. >> out in the sheets, anger is also brewing. on the first night of the convention, police clash with protesters after curfew. >> i saw people sitting on their porch on the north side of chicago literally pulled off their porch and beaten senselessly. >> right out of the isle here, it's a terrific crush. >> by midweek, tensions on the convention floor are boiling over. >> two votes, yes, 49 votes, no. >> and then a decision on the peace vote. >> the motion has failed. >> the effort to end the war in vietnam is shot down. >> we had a peace plank agreed
with robert kennedy's supporters and mccarthy's supporters but johnson intervened again and the platform committee saw that that was defeated and also defeated on the floor. >> they have now begun to say we shall overcome. >> in an act of protest, the peace delegates break out in song. >> on their feet and this is continuing. >> and outside as word spreads that peace lost on the convention floor, the violence is about to escalate. coming up. >> glass was being thrown down from upper floors and hitting people below. it was chaotic and terrible. i never expected to see it in the party convention. but not every insurance company understands the life behind it. those who have served our nation. have earned the very best service in return. ♪
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volatile. the war in vietnam. in the street protesters clash with police and on the convention floor, it is the anti war candidate eugene mccarthy up against vice president hubert humphrey and the democratic establishment. as the convention nears the end. the mccarthy supporters lose the vote for peace. that day in nearby grant park, nearly 15,000 protesters are gathered. and as news of the failed effort to end the war spreads, the crowd becomes defiandefiant. >> flag was lowered by a teenager who thought it was a sign of international distress. he was arrested. beaten. and the crowd was beaten. then at that point, people were upset. some people were throwing
things. >> the police move in on the crowd. i got on the bull horn to say we're contained here and have a permit but it would help for everybody to pull back. and then they charged again. >> the situation deteriorates. davis is beaten unconscious and ends up with 13 stitches in his head. >> the tape you're about to see was made about 30 to 40 minutes ago. >> the networks began cutting away from the convention floor to broadcast the rioting outside. >> when you look back on it, the chicago cops many of them were world war ii veterans and a lot probably had sons in vietnam and up to the point and had things thrown at them, big heavy ash triy treys and kids throwing feces at the cops, as well. so it was a perfect prescription for the kind of riotous
environment created there. >> the violence horrifies many party members and as the nomination speeches get underway, they voice their outrage. >> we wouldn't have to stop those tactics in the streets of chicago. >> engaged daley fires back. >> daley went nuts. it's so hard for people to acre cement the truth or something to that effect. that was traumatic and almost chaotic. >> amid the tension, the vote for the democratic nominee gets underway. to no one's surprise, humphry wins the nomination with 1,761 delegates to mccarthy's 601. >> the anti war people wanted to get delegates to the '68 convention who were opposed to the war and they couldn't break him. they couldn't get into the system. >> may we once again say thank you, thank you. >> but even with the win, humphry seems to have little
cause to celebrate. >> the night he was nominated, we had a small occasion in the suite in the hilton like a wake. the man was just nominated for president and we were all demoralized. >> as night falls, thousands of protesters gather in front of the hilton hotel where the delegates are staying. >> there were a large crowd on michigan avenue and the police contained them. they used motorcycles. they built a human perimeter and started to push. >> chaos unfolds in front of the cameras. >> it was not a pretty scene. it was like, you know, a bad accident and, you know, kids were crying and furious and everything else. >> glassware was being thrown down and hitting people below and it was just chaotic. it was terrible. [ gunshots ]. >> tear gas on top of it.
i never expected to see it at a party convention. >> the whole world is watching becomes the protesters defiant refrain. >> we thought everybody will see this and they will understand we're not the perpetrators. the police are. well, before too long, we learned that wasn't true. the majority of them went with the cops. >> i went home to south dakota, my dad was a dirt road democrat and i thought he would be sympathetic to the young demonstrators and we had a huge argument that night, and before it was all over, i began to understand more clearly what the center of the country was because my father hated the idea of these kids using expletives. raising the middle finger to the cameras. that's not how they should operate. >> much of america agreed.
in november of 1968 nixon wins winning on a platform of law and order. the democratic party emerges from the convention battered, bruised and divided. >> we were bitter. a lot of bit ter feeling. he had tried hard to work within the system and still we got screwed by the system. >> the violence of that summer is later characterized in a report as a police riot and many lay the blame at the feet of daley. >> he became the symbol as the representative of the establishment so obviously, we were very defensive of my father. we knew him and what kind of person he was and knew how much he also dedicated his life to the democratic party. >> but the era of the democratic establishment's iron rule has come to a close. and the system is forever changed. >> it had a big impact because they reformed the rules. the delegates had to be
representative of the states and had more minorities, more women, more people from the ground up. >> primaries become the way of creating inclusion and explode from 15 in 1968 to more than 40 today. >> the second thing ha that happened is they said primaries must be binding on the delega s delegates. >> caucuses are to be well pub utilized and open to everyone. >> at the time, each one of these things was just an effort to be sure that the anti war protesters who were cut out in '68, that people like them weren't cut out. i don't think anybody really anticipated how completely it would change the way we nominate presidents. >> but while the 1968 reforms pay ha may have reset the system, nominating the president continues to be a process that's subject to change.
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>> i can't breathe! >> people unite! >> angry at our leaders for not knowing what the hell they are doing. >> we're angry because they are lying. >> people have a right and a reason to be angry. >> i think the people of this country are ready for a political revolution. >> there is a lot of anger in the country as there was in 1968. a lot of tourmoil going on. change socially, culturally at the time and enormous economic change causing social, cultural change in our country. >> the result is a deep divide in both parties. in this year's close democratic race, we could see their version of unbound delegates choosing the nominee. superdelegates are elected
officials and national committee members like elaine. >> we have a kind of hybrid system. half of it looks public but much of it is an internal party process. and that's a result of the old system and the new system of coming together that happened between '68 and '72. >> while both parties have a hybrid system, it's the republican convention likely to be contested and a contested convention control ultimately lies with the delegates and party leaders. >> the power brokers, the political elite, those to that want that manipulated outcome have a goal in mind and candidate or candidates they support more than others. >> the thing is so tightly controlled that the average person who thinks he's going to come in and participate in it gets overwhelmed. >> one means of control is the convention rules. some of which are rewritten by a select group of delegates just a week before the gavel comes
down. >> rules can be changed all the time. there is nothing wrong with changing rules. how they are changed, why they are changed, that's where the problem comes in. >> any change could benefit one candidate over another. and if no candidate has a majority of delegates on the first ballot. a contested convention will turn into a brokered one. at that point most delegates are no longer bound. they are free agents. >> after first ballot, it's by the door. anything can happen. >> candidates hope to stop their delegates from jumping ship. >> if you want to be successful, as a delegate chairman operations for a campaign. your job is to try to win over the uncommitted delegates or the unbound delegates, steal delegates from the other candidates and protect your own delegate. >> and just like the ford regan
fight in 1976, candidates risk what campaigns refer to as trojan horses. >> a trojan horse delegate is the delegate who is elected in a spot for one candidate but whose heart is for another candidate, all right? and that is what the trump campaign is nervous about right now. >> they have reason to be nervous. listen to what this trump delegate told us. >> in the second ballot, i'll support ted cruz. >> a second ballot opens the door to a white knight. someone not even in the race. for instance someone like mitt romney or paul ryan. >> now, there are some folks in washington having fevered dreams of a brokered convention. of the convention deadlocked and they march in with a white horse and have this washington deal maker who didn't run, who wasn't elected by the people but who
saves the washington establishment. that ain't going to happen. and if they tried that, you would see the voters revolt after having all 50 states vote. >> you're going to have a rough july at that convention. you better get going and straighten out the system because the people want their vote. the people want to vote. and they want to be represented properly. >> could make chicago look like a walk in the park. everything going on, insiders versus outsiders, economic conflict, political convict, social conflict, everything that be concentrated right there. >> while cleveland is ordering riot gear and tightening security, violence isn't the only risk for a contested convention. the 1976 convention did little to reunite the party and ford lost the general election and the chaos at the 1968 democratic convention in chicago directly contributed to humphrey's loss.
voters might not have the power to choose the nominee, but they still have the power to choose the president. what was the symbol back in the day, when you had like the kkk and stuff like that? they would hang people. >> a self-described white supremacist may not be who he says he is. >> he has a mixed brother and sister. he's not a racist. >> and that can make him a