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change. we need to be clear sighted about the groups that will never be anything other than enemies. we have groups no matter what you do they will be the enemy. we have to be smart enough to recognize who those groups are, who those people are and not help them and we must only be generous to those that prove they are indeed our friends. [ applause ] we desire to live peacefully and in friendship with russia and chin. we have serious differences and must regard them with open eyes but we are not bound to be adversaries. we should seek common ground based on shared interests. srussia, for instance, has also seen the horror of islamic terrorism. i believe an easing of tensions,
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an improvement relations with russia from a position of strength is possible, absolutely possible. common sense says this psycycle horrible cycle must end and ideally will end soon. good for both countries. some say the russians won't be reasonable. i intend to find out. if we can't make a deal under my administration, a deal that's great for america and also good for russia we will quickly walk from the table. it's as simple as that. fixing our relations with china is another important step in creating a more prosperous period of time. china respects strength and by letting them take advantage of us economically, which they are doing like never before, we have
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lost all of their respect. we have a massive trade deficit with china, a deficit that we have to find a way quickly -- and i mean quickly to balance a strong and smart america is an america that will find a better friend in china, better than we have now. look at what china is doing in the south china sea. they're not suppose d to be doig it. no respect for this country or president. we can both benefit or both go our separate ways. after i'm elected president i will also call for a summit with our nato allies and a separate summit with our asian allies. we will not only discuss a rebalancing of financial commitments but take a fresh look at how we can adopt new strategies for tackling our
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common challenges, how we can upgrade nato's mission, grown out of the cold war to confront our shared challenges including migration and islamic terrorism. [ applause ] i will not hesitate to deploy military force when there is no alternative. if america fights it must only fight to win. [ applause ] i will never sent our finest into battle unless necessary and will only do so if we have a plan for victory with a capital "v." [ applause ]
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the best way to achieve those goals is through a disciplined, deliberate and consistent foreign policy. with president obama and secretary clinton we've had the exact opposite, a reckless, rudderless and aims foreign policy, one that has blazed the path of destruction in its wake. after losing thousands of lives and spending trillions of dollars we are in far worst shape in the middle east than ever, ever before. i challenge anyone to explain the vision of obama/clinton. it has been a complete and total disaster. i will also be prepared to deploy america's economic
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resources and sanctions can be very persuasive but we need to use them selectively and with total determination. our power will be used if others do not play by the rules. in other words, if they do not treat us fairly. our friends and enemies must know if i draw a line in the sand i will enforce that line in the sand. believe me. [ applause ] however, unlike other candidates for the presidency, war and aggression will not be my first instinct. you cannot have a foreign policy without diplomacy. a superpower understands that caution and restraint are truly signs of strength. although not in government service, i was totally against the war in iraq, very proudly,
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saying it would destabilized middle east. sadly i was correct. the biggest beneficiary has been iran who is systematically taking over iraq and gaining access to their very rich oil reserves. now, to cop it off, we have isis. my goal is to establish a foreign policy that will endure for several generations. i have to look for talented experts with approaches and practical ideas rather than surrounding myself with those who have perfect resumes but very little to brag about except responsibility for a long history of failed policies and continued losses at war. we have to look to new people. [ applause ]
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we have to look to new people because many of the old people don't know what they're doing even though they may look awfully good writing in "the new york times" or being watched on television. finally, i will work with our allies to reinvigorate western values and institutions. instead of trying to spread universal values that not everybody shares or wants, we should understand that strengthening and promoting western civilization and its accomplish mmts will do more to inspire positive reforms than military interventions. these are my goals as president. i will seek a foreign policy that all americans can support, so important, and which our friends and allies will respect
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and totally welcome. the world must know we do not go abroad in search of enemies. when old friends become allies, that's what we want. we want the world to be -- we want to bring peace to the world. too much destruction out there, too many destructive weapons. the power of weaponry is the single biggest problem that we have today in the world. to achieve these goals americans must have confidence and many americans must wonder why we are more interested in defending the borders of foreign countries than their own. [ applause ] americans must know that we're
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putting the american people first again on trade, so true. on trade, on immigration, on foreign policy. jobs, income and the security of the american worker will always be my first priority. no country has ever prospered that failed to put its own interests first. both our friends and enemies put their countries above hours and we while being fair to them must start doing the same. we will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism. the true foundation for happiness and harmony. i am skeptical of international
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unions that tie us up and bring america down and will never enter -- [ applause ] and under my administration we will never enter america into any agreement that reduces our ability to control our own affairs. nafta, as an example, a total disaster for the united states and has emptied our states of our manufacturing and our jobs. and i've just gotten to see it. i've toured pennsylvania. i've toured new york. i've toured so many of the states. they have been cleaned out. their manufacturing is gone. never again. and i have to say this strongly, never again. only the reverse will happen. we will keep our jobs and bring in new ones. there will be consequences for
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the companies that leave the united states only to exploit it later. they fire the people, they take advantage of the united states. there will be consequences for those companies. never again. under a trump administration, no american citizen will ever again feel that their needs come second to the citizens of a foreign country. [ applause ] i will view as president the world through the clear lens of american interests. he will be america's greatest defender and most loyal champion. we will embrace the unique her teenage that makes us who we are. the world is most peaceful and prosper out when america is
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strongest. america will continue and continue forever to play the role of peace maker. to play that role we must make america strong again. [ applause ] and always, always, always we must make and look at it from every angle and we have no choice, we must make america respected again. we must make america truly wealthy again and we must -- we have to and we will make america great again. and if we do that -- and if we do that, perhaps this sendry can be the most peaceful and prosperous the world has ever,
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ever known. thank you very much, everybody. i appreciate it. thank you. thank you very much. thank you. >> with that donald trump concludes his speech of about 45 minutes. joining me now is still with me "washington post" chris cillizza, richard engel and msnbc military andalyst colonel jack jacobs, just go around the table here first, jeff goldberg, your takeaways as to his very strong critique against the obama administration. >> there were some traditional republican themes about respect and humiliation. he pivoted to the left of hillary clinton on iraq issues. but on obama, this was a collection of previously stated trump thoughts with some
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cartilage inserted to make it a speech. he says obama is feckless and low and this appeals to a republican base and he's associating hillary with that at the same time he's accusing her of being a warmonger and he is a war of peace. >> richard engel, how will it be perceived around the world? >> reporter: i think he did much better this time than some of his wild off the cuff statements. he laid out a variety of policies that seemed reasonable about having an american first policy, a traditional isolationist view held by many american administrations for the last hundreds of years, in fact. i think he made a fairly consistent argument. he went out on a limb a few times. i think he started off strong and he started to go out on more
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delicate branches. he seems, although he didn't clarify to reassert his belief there would have to be a ban on muslim immigrants. his eidea of american respect, how we will reach out to others. a home address for foreign nations to look to when they need peace agreements, i think people around the world who are looking it at this will see a more moderate and reasonable candidate than we've been hearing. >> colonel jack jacobs, your take? >> there was a little bit for everybody there. he was way to the left and something he's talked about going into iraq and it's the cause of a lot of our problems
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and the instability there. he was muscular about the military use of power and then backed off a little bit and said we were going to extend hands of greetings and we would coordinate activities with nato and so on. i think in the end what you got the was a most controlled speech from his standpoint, a speech that sought to collect all of the hyperbolic stuff he has said before but put in a package more easily palatable by everyone else. >> and, chris cillizza, that will be the impact. >> if it ain't broke, don't fix it speech in terms of his campaign rhetoric. what was different about the speech was not what he proposed, it's how he proposed, tonally much more measured reading off
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the prompter. if you read line by line there's not a whole lot new nor is there, i think, a ton of backing away from other things he said there were contradictions within the speech and it will contradict some of the things he has said on the campaign trail but, again, that is not new as it relates to donald trump. >> and by saying that we moved precipitously against mubarak and against libya, he's clearly taking shots that he can expand against hillary clinton, also the iraq war. >> right. there's a gambit here for the general election which is that he can be to the left of hillary on some things, to the right of the republican center on some things and maybe he can get a coalition of voters who are dissatisfied with bits and pieces of the parties on some of these issues. we'll see if that works because there's a lot of other stuff that donald trump, i think, needs to grapple with in terms of foreign policy. i think that's the strategy here. >> thanks to it all of you on the panel. and that does it for this
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edition of "andrea mitchell reports." tune in later at 4:00 eastern for coverage of ted cruz's major announcement. that will be hosted by chris matthews. craig melvin is live in indianapolis next right here on msnbc, the place for politics. and a good wednesday to you. i'm craig melvin. today on msnbc live we're stationed inside shapiro's deli in downtown indianapolis, a staple here in the capital. they've been serving their legendary corned beef since 1905. here today, though, lots of lunch time conversations about politics because here in the crossroads of america, as it's known, indiana could not be more critical as the 2016 republican race has reached its own crossroads. it's just a few blocks from here at lucas oil stadium where donald trump will be making a full throated pitch to indiana voters with one of their own,
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one of the most famous hoosiers, bobby knight. and the shot clock running out for the stop trump movement. trump expected to roar into tonight's rally fresh off that five state sweep in last night's atlantic primary. also fresh off that first official foreign policy speech we just saw here a few moments ago. >> ending the theft of american jobs and regain our independence and strength. i'm the only person running for the presidency who understands this, and this is a serious problem. i'm the only one, believe me, i know them all. i'm the only one who knows how to fix it. >> meanwhile, ted cruz, the gop candidate, leading the stop trump cavalry touting his own major announcement, 4:00 eastern. we will bring that to you live
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here. cruz targeting trump for his grandstanding tactics. >> donald trump likes to parachute in, give a performance and then leave. well, this country isn't a reality show. >> on the democratic side, the big question ahead, what will bernie sanders do now? after winning just rhode island last night, he is still forging ahead wrapping up a town hall about an hour north of here just a few moments ago he declares that he is still in it to win it. hillary clinton, however, setting her sights on trump, responding to what could become his theme of attack in a potential trump/clinton matchup come july. >> if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she'd get 5% of the vote. the only thing she's got going is the woman's card. >> if fighting for health care
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and paid family leave and equal pay is playing the woman card, then deal me in! >> we're covering all of these breaking developments on the 2016 trail and much more this afternoon. we start with katy tur. she's in washington where trump just finished delivering what was billed as a major speech on foreign policy, katy. we heard him talk about a lot of other things as well. has there been reaction yet from the republican establishment on that speech? >> reporter: so far the first reaction that we're getting is lindsey graham, who has been no fan of donald trump, tweeting that he's not sure who was advising trump on foreign policy but i can understand why he's not revealing names. there's also a number of subsequent tweets where he said this speech made no sense. so far that is the initial reaction. you're getting -- there was a pause in the room here and there. at points it was more tepid than
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others. for the most part this is donald trump from my take presenting himself as a noninterventionalist. what i found one of the most interesting points of this speech was when he talked about how we've, in the past, forced person democracy or tried to force western democracy on a region that doesn't want it, specifically the middle east and the wars since the attack on 9/11. what's really interesting about that is that he did not name george w. bush. while he was campaigning, while he was talking about where america had gone wrong in the past and wrong with foreign policy and wrong with the invasion, which he has said repeatedly he was against from the start, he's often invoked george w. bush and said that he was at least partially to blame for what is going on out there. now this was notable today because he didn't mention him
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whatsoever. he said place the blame squarely on president obama and secretary hillary clinton. he did allude to president bush's team, his foreign policy team who got us into those invasions and into those wars. so interesting to see him distance himself from the hawks while not naming george w. bush. it's a real indication of paul manafort's influence and the desire to smooth things over with the republican establishment. cra craig? >> katy, it seemed we may have seen a flip-flop with regards to trump's take on relations with israel. this is what he said a few moments ago. >> israel, our great friend and the one true democracy in the middle east, has been snubbed and criticized by an administration that lacks moral clarity. just a few days ago vice president biden again criticized
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israel, a force for justice and peace, for acting as an impatient peace area in the region. president obama has not been a friend to israel. >> is this a reversal from his stance in the past of being neutral, katy? >> reporter: in some ways yes. he said he was going to stay neutral and he came out very strongly on the side of israel. i wouldn't say this is necessarily a flip-flop in any way. i think this is much of the same rhetoric he was using at the speech a few weeks ago, about a month ago. i think the way to describe it, this speech, including israel, was the same just in new packaging. this is what we've heard him say on the campaign trail. it was a more refined version of it, it was a different setting. he was reading from a teleprompter. it was meant to sound a little bit more staid, more researched,
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more coherent. whether that was successful with the establishment in smoothing things over, that remains to be seen. it certainly sounded like something many of his supporters would enjoy. it's the sort of thing he's been saying on the twain trail that they have been responding p positively to. it sounded like more of an attempt to make sure washington and the folks he needs to convince out there aren't so nervous about the prospect of a trump candidacy or a trump presidency but if you're looking at lindsey graham reaction which should come as no surprise, that did not seem to work. >> katy tur in washington, d.c. joined now by msnbc military analyst, retired four star general, mccaffrey, commanded an infantry division during the 1991 gulf war to liberate kuwait followed by the invasion by
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iraqi president saddam hussein. senior fellow at the nonpartisan council on foreign relations. author of "ashley's war." and republican strategist, john, let me start with you, i want to put some numbers up. back in april there was this poll that was conducted, 61% of voters gave donald trump poor marks. 64% poor marks for being able to deal with an international crisis. do those numbers change at all after what we just heard there, john? >> that's a really big question, craig. i don't know the answer to that. i think trump was trying to put some meat on the bones of his campaign speeches, trying to put some internal integrity into those things. the eidea that america can't do this alone. we can't afford to go alone anymore. the idea of burden sharing.
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the idea we're not going to blunder into another iraq war which i think is somewhat mop lar with a lot of republican voerters. the question is, does he have enough experience and can he put people around him who have experience? when donald trump said he's his own foreign policy adviser, he really hurt himself. he has to surround himself with people who know what they are talking about. i think that would help him immeasurabl immeasurably. >> general, what's your reaction? what's your takeaway from what we just heard? >> i probably have a different view moint. mr. trump over the last year has said some of the most irresponsible, inane statements on foreign policy, defense policy that i've ever heard in public life. this speech, i thought he hit it out of the ballpark. there are some things you can argue about but from a domestic political viewpoint i think it was very powerful, very sensible.
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the saudis will like what they heard, the russians, maybe the chinese. i thought he did a tremendous job. the notion of him being the junkyard dog that arrives in washington has been compelling him to popularity. this tended to mute that and say, wait a minute. i'm a person of peace and i understand what i'm doing. i thought it was a very significant presentation. >> gail, for us we list en to a lot of these trump speeches. a lot was rehash. we didn't get a lot of new stuff. there weren't a lot of specifics in there from the republican front-runner. what do you think our friends abroad, whether they be prime ministers or heads of state, what do you think they took away from what we just heard? >> i think in a lot of ways this was people looking for certain things, some nations were looking for certain reassurances. for the europeans it would be
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cause for concern talking about looking at alliances. for the saudis and some others, the russians, it might have, as the general said, given cause for reassurance. it was aimed at people who either already agreed in camp trump or were looking for reassurances. what's fascinating in some ways we've had a presidential candidate who ran as rethinking nafta, reining in american interventions overseas and interventions abroad. that was president obama. what we heard is stuff we have heard before from outsiders. and really people will take from the speech a lot of what they wanted to hear in it, and i think it's fascinate to go hear a foreign policy based both on strength and unpredictability. one presidential candidate trump
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rides into november. >> war and aggression won't be my first instincts. clearly not going to be a hawk. he spent time talking about diplomacy as well. he expressed a fair amount of disdain for the existing foreign policy establishment, so to speak. he doesn't think a great deal of diplomats right now, safe to y say? >> i think -- by the way, the criticism all along has been correct. if you go to a base viewpoint, protecting american jobs and protecting your border and that sort of thing, it's hard to argue with it. i think in the past what bothered people, creating huge amounts of distrust about trump personally, is a character issue. it's irresponsibility. it's the shooting off his mouth. none of that was present in this
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presentation. i think it was actually quite sensible throughout much of it. there wasn't a rehashing mexican rapists and barring muslims from the country. it was a very solid presentation. this is a new reality. if he can surround himself with sensible people, his image may start changing for the better, which it sadly needs to do. >> well, it's not just surrounding himself, general, it would be actually listening to those sensible people as well. john, really quickly before we get out of here, was it obvious to you that trump has perhaps matured intellectually, that he's been reading, talking to some of these really smart people? did you get the sense from that speech? >> not really. i got a sense someone wrote that speech for him and he read it very nicely on a teleprompter. i think it's important for him to do that. i think it's important that he also understands delegation and how to give the big things to do
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to other folk. he's not an expert on for policy. we know that. what he's an ex bert is growing the economy and creating jobs and that's what he's probably going to stick to as his main message. >> what's interesting, also, he was off prompter and at times he did get the sense that he was also veering off prompter as well, that he was still throwing in some vintage trump for us. >> right. and i think the speech was about how you feel when you watch it, trying to project strength and being measured as the general was talking about. if you already don't trust him on foreign policy, you weren't going to listen to the speech and feel better. there were a number of inconsistencies, talking about being consistent with allies and rethinking treaties. and there was a lot of that in there, but that wasn't what this was about. this was about giving reassurance and making people feel more comfortable with the idea of a trump as commander in chief, and i think that is what he was aiming at today. >> general mccaffrey, gail, a
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big thanks to all of you. i do appreciate your time. here in indianapolis, ted cruz promising a major announcement at his 4:00 rally at the pan am plaza not far from where i sit next tuesday's primary do or die for cruz and also do or die for the stop trump movement after donald trump swept all five contests tuesday night. all of the major recent polls show trump is leading here. he's calling himself the presumptive nominee as well. nbc's halle jackson in indianapolis covering the cruz campaign. let's start with this major announcement. any indication at this point what he is going to be talking about? we've heard some whispers carly fiorina may be unveiled as a number two. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: well, we tried to get cruz himself to elaborate on
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the whispers, craig, asking him outright. he made the point if i tell the media now you won't show up at my 4:00 p.m. event. cruz is being tightlipped about it as is his campaign. nbc news here in indianapolis, we know she's in town. we would certainly not be surprised to see her take the stage amid the speculation that perhaps cruz will name her as somebody he wants to be on a ticket with, who wants to be a running mate. i can tell you that cruz and fiorina will be heading to california this weekend together in order to try to work the delegate hunting strategy that we've been talking about. california has its convention coming up. this is an area where cruz knows he needs to be strong given that his only hope now mathematically now that he's been eliminated from contention of locking up the nomination outright is to head to a contested, get to a second ballot and if he does, make sure the delegates that can be swayed will be swayed. that is the crux of cruz's strategy. that is what we know coming up this indiana.
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in the meantime he is working very hard to try to change the narrative. you talk about the timing of this major announcement, i can tell you the phrase that is said to be by multiple republican operatives not affiliated with the cruz campaign and that is the word hail mary. the two words hail mary. there's a question of whether cruz is trying to make some sort of big announcement in order to change the conversation from donald trump's dominant primary wins in a state where trump leads cruz in recent polling. that said cruz is looking for a victory here in indiana, expect him to spend a lot of time here in the state. it is going to be very important for him moving forward obviously which is why he's putting so much focus. with a we've seen is like what we saw in had a had a. the handshaking, retail politicking. we expect to see much more of that in the coming days as cruz hopes to win in indiana, nebraska and then move on to the west, areas he believes is more favorable terrain for him including places like montana and south dakota. the western states where cruz feels he could be dominant. craig? >> hallie jackson, also here in
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indianapolis, thank you. and we will have, of course, complete coverage of what ted cruz is calling a major annou e announceme announcement. chris matthews will join us today at 4:00 eastern here on msnbc. the woman card. donald trump says hillary is playing it, dealing it from the bottom of the deck. >> if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she'd get 5% of the vote. the only thing she has going is the woman's card. >> hillary clinton firing back, the latest reaction to what could be a recurring theme come general election time. this is msnbc. (vo) on the trane test range, you learn what makes our heating and cooling systems so reliable. if there's a breaking point, we'll find it. it's hard to stop a trane.
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>> mr. trump accused me of playing the, quote, woman card. >> boo! >> well, if fighting for women's health care and paid family leave and equal pay is playing the woman card, then deal me in! >> i think the only card she has is the woman's card. she has nothing else going. and, frankly, if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she'd get 5% of the vote. the only thing she's got going is the woman's card, and the beautiful thing is women don't like her. okay? and look how well i did with women tonight. >> and this morning the clinton campaign fired off a fund-raising e-mail to supporters calling trump's woman's card comments a, quote, absurd diatribe saying that his rhetoric has, quote, created a volatile atmosphere. republican strategist susan
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delpersio joins me now. susan, donald trump, you know, he's made comments like this in the past. how does a guy who, again, right now somewhere around 70%, that's his disapproval, if you will with women voters, how does a guy like that win a general election? >> well, he certainly has an uphill battle should he become the republican nominee, like you said, having unfavorable percent with 70% of the women it is very difficult to bridge that gap. what i think donald trump is start iing to do now, though, i define hillary clinton and basically saying that's all she has and undermine her credibility. in 2008 hillary clinton ran a campaign that really had nothing to do with her being a woman. she said i am the most capable. in 2015 she came out roaring saying i am going to be the first woman president. now she has a problem with women.
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bernie sanders shows she has a considerable problem there he is te pe especially younger women. there is a chance he could be very successful with it especially in light of speeches like he just gave on foreign policy where he started to soften the edges. >> so you think this could become a successful line of attack by saying that hillary clinton isn't anything more than a woman running for president? >> i'm not saying it's going to be a successful line of attack. i think it's one he's going to do to try and build some more -- to build up his support with women in saying that she has nothing more there. that she is not likeable. she's going to start questioning her credentials. saying what is she going to do for the country? it's part of a larger message that he's saying he has a popular message. it's me against the rigged system. the rigged system is the hillary
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clintons, is the ted cruzes, it's us against them. that's where he's going to take it. >> is it demeaning? is it dismissive? >> i think it is dismissive. i think it was perfectly clear when you saw chris christie's wife, mary pat, roll her eyes. frankly, i did the same thing. donald trump has had this success in branding his opponents and i think that's what he's trying to do. listen, i've been wrong many times about how donald trump will fare. i never thought he'd get this far. i think i'm one of 98% of the folks out there. that being said, he is where he is today because he has listened to his gut in how to brand people and, again, i think it will start to work somewhat. >> donald trump talked about it this morning on "morning joe." this is what he said. >> i haven't recovered from her shout iing that message and i kw a lot of people say you can't
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say that about a woman because of course a woman doesn't shout but the way she shouted th message was not cool. hillary, you know who that is, crooked hillary clinton -- >> boo! >> no, honestly, she doesn't have the strength, she doesn't have the stamina -- so theatrical. mr. trump said this and that and this. just have to turn off the television. she just gives me a headache. she's playing that card. and then i had to hit her back. i hit her back and i talked about her husband and the abuse of women and the tremendous abuse. hillary called me sexist, that i had an inclination. what does she know about me? i had an inclination. when she said that, i said, well, your husband is now campaigning. it's open season. >> you know, susan, again, the more we hear of him saying some of these things especially when he starts talking about the volume of her voice, how is that not -- again, how is that not demeaning?
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how is that not sexist? you would never say that about a male candidate who spoke loudly. i'm a loud talk er. >> i agree with that 100%, craig. that kind of rhetoric is what really hurts him with women. it's the questioning of her when he says she's crooked hillary. she's not trustworthy. he's playing into a narrative that already exists there. so, yes, there are lines that you would prefer he should probably not cross when it comes to that, i.e., how she dresses, how she eats, how she talks, anything like that, but to question her credentials is fair game and, on top of that, when he did challenge her back and when donald trump hit back on hillary clinton with her husband, president clinton stepped down for about two weeks. he did he haefinitely got caugh it and it didn't play well for them. >> republican strategist susan del percio, thanks for being with me. >> take care. breaking news from the sanders' campaign, less than an hour ago, despite a tough defeat
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by hillary clinton last night, senator bernie sanders vowing to fight on. n nbc's chris jansing sat down with sanders exclusively just a few moments ago. chris, what did he say? >> reporter: well, it was a wide-ranging interview. he had just come off of a big rally here at purdue university in indiana. i asked him about everything from comments on donald trump to what his chances are in this race to what does he want if he's not the nominee. here is that interview. you just said you're in this campaign to win. do you see a viable path? >> we are clearly the underdog. i'm very good at arithmetic. i think senator clinton is 3 300-plus delegates ahead of us. and we're going to have to do very well here in indiana. we're going to have to do well in california, the largest state and other states. the other thing we have to do is make the case to the super delegates, many hundreds of whom came onboard secretary clinton
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before i even announced. they were with her way back when. and make the case to them what is most important is that a republican not gain control over the white house. i think in any objective assessment of political reality bernie sanders is a much stronger candidate against donald trump than is hillary clinton. and that's not just me talking. that's poll after poll, state polls, national polls. and the reason for that is we are appealing to independents and some republicans, interestingly enough, who are tired of establishment politics and establishment economics who would prefer a bernie sanders than a hillary clinton. >> reporter: supporters are saying she has 3 million more votes. >> i understand that. but look at every poll that's out there and, by the way, i'll give you an example. just yesterday there were five primaries. we did badly in three, okay in connecticut, we won in rhode island. the one state that we won was an open primary. you know what, the general election is open.
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if you're an independent, you can vote for a democrat, you can vote for republican. we are winning in the democratic primary and caucus process independents 2-1 compared to hillary clinton. so it's not me. every poll that's out there, national and statewide, shows bernie sanders defeating trump by a significantly larger margin in many cases than is hillary clinton. >> reporter: but of course the nominee is elected by delegates. you are far behind. the lead seems almost insurmountab insurmountable. do you believe you and your supporters are owed something is he convention? >> if i am not the nominee, and we'll fight for every last vote and we hope to become the nominee, we have run this campaign on a set of principles, and the principles are that we have to take on the billionaire class whose greed and recklessness are doing terrible damage to working families all over this country. we need to join the rest of the industrialized world, guarantee health care to all people as a
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rye, paid family and medical leave, rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and make public colleges and universities tuition free among many other issues. >> reporter: how much influence should you have on the platform? >> if we have a majority of delegates that will be the platform. if we do not have a majority of delegates i would think any smart presidential candidate will say millions of people are supporting bernie sanders. they want an agenda that goes beyond establishment economics and politics and i'm smart. i'm going to listen to those people and, in fact, create a progressive agenda not just to appease bernie sanders and his supporters but to winning this election because it is far more important to speak to the middle class and working class of this country than just the billionaire campaign contributors. >> reporter: do you believe hillary clinton is smart? >> god yes, she is very smart. >> let me ask you about something donald trump said today because he looks more and more -- >> the donald trump. now the media function of the media is to follow the donald
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trump quote of the day. >> reporter: but more and more it does look like he will be the nominee on the republican side so either you or hillary clinton will have to run against him. >> it would be hillary clinton will have to rub against him. >> it would be my pleasure. >> he said he would look to your speeches and very good material against hillary clinton starting with she has bad judgment. >> the republican party will have dozens of oppositional researchers. they don't need my speeches to talk about hillary clinton. they will go after hillary clinton in ways i have never gone after hillary clinton. things like the clinton foundation or things like the e-mail situation. i don't talk about that. i have never talked about it one word on this campaign. i suspect very much that donald trump and the republican party will go after her in many many ways that we have not. >> if he says she has bad judgment, you wouldn't disagree? >> it depends -- well, i think
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donald trump's not that donald trump has bad judgment, i don't think donald trump has any judgment whatsoever. when you have a candidate like donald trump whoeverry single day is attacking a different group of people, whether mexi n mexicans or muslims or veterans or wom en or african-americans, this is a man without any judgment without demeanor and i think the vast majority of american people no matter what their political views are do not believe donald trump has the demeanor or judgment to become president of the united states. >> you suggest he's dangerous. he is the nominee, he is the likely nominee, does your continuing criticism of hillary clinton, if she's the nominee, hurt the democrats chances of pushing forward her agenda of winning the white house? >> this is media stuff, what media focuses on. >> you don't think you're hu hurting her with criticism?
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>> first i am running for office. she went around yesterday suggesting bernie sanders voted against the automobile bailout. that is not true. talked about me wanting to dismember healthcare program s and that i want to attack planned parenthood went i want to expand it. that's what happens. we have tried to run an issue oriented campaign. why am i running for president? not for the fun of it. because i think it is too late for establish and have strong differences with hillary clinton. no great secret. hillary clinton voted for the war in iraq. she acknowledges that was mistake. i helped lead the opposition to the war in iraq, voted against the war. i have voted against every one of these disastrous trade agreements which resulted in millions of americans losing their jobs, she has supported virtually all of them. i want to end fracking in this country. as secretary of state she supported fracking.
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>> you don't think those crit sichl critsi critsiim -- criticisms hurt her. >> this is a democracy. i should be talking what i believe and differences of opinion i have with hillary clinton. if the question is, are my views much closer to hillary clinton's than they are to somebody like donald trump, of course they are. donald trump would be a disaster. >> does that mean at some point the two of you -- at some point will the two of you get in a room whoever the nominee is and whatever the differences and criticisms are you will work that through. >> hillary clinton, you have to separate the real world from media world. media world worries about these things. real world does not. real word worries about how their kids will go to college, about: about climate change and the economy. i agree and i believe hillary
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clinton will do this, do everything we can to make sure a republican does not win the white house. i will knock my brains out, work 7 days a week to make sure that does not happen if i am the nominee and if i am not the nominee. that's what i will do. >> you and i in indiana just shot some hoops. you were a little bit better than i was. >> i'm taller than you. >> . >> thank you. if you were a betting man going to the betting parlor, what are the chances bernie sanders is the nominee? >> politics is very strange and funny things happen and especially this political year, it's been a pretty strange year fair to say. the question is do yi consider myself the underdog, when we began we were 60 points behind hillary clinton and closed that significantly and now won 17 states and i think we will win in indiana. we are the underdog and i think there is a narrow path to victory and we will fight for
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every vote we can get to make that victory happen. >> senator, thank you. >> that was minutes ago. the headlines have been over the last several day, if not longer, what does bernie sanders want. i think he joust answust answer question, understanding the math if that does not happen he is determined to get as many votes and delegates he possibly can and get as much progressive agenda written into the platform, greg. no comments on my skills. did they show that? i hope they didn't. >> we are working on the video of chris jansing playing basketball with bernie sanders. that will be one for the ages. >> it is interesting to see where he is in this whole thing the day after he lost four of the five races. craig, you should have been here to back me up on defense. >> chris jansing, thank you. we will have that video of you playing basketball in the next hour. we do have it.
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stand by. wait a minute. here it is. chris jansing and bernie sanders. >> i can't see it, thank god. >> wow! wow! did you score on bernie? no, you did not. we will be playing that video on loop. we'll play it on loop next hour. wow. >> thank you, greg. >> thank you, chris. that's going to wrap up this hour of coverage from shapiro's deli in indiana. my colleague, erica hill will have the next hour. you're watching the place for basketball for the candidates and also the place for politics.
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headquarters in new york. fresh from a five state sweep, donald trump delivering a rare speech on foreign policy. it happened just within the last hour or so. >> our foreign policy is a complete and total disaster. no vision, no purpose, no direction, no strategy. i'm the only person running for the presidency who understands this, and this is a serious problem. i'm the only one, believe me, i know them all. i'm the only one that knows how to fix it. >> trump and hillary clinton both clearly focusing on november today. they've been trading fire like never before. trump's latest line of attack is hillary clinton is playing the quote women's card. >> if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she'd get 5% of the vote. the only thing she's got going is the woman's card. >> well, if fightin

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