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e we will see you tomorrow. now time if the the last word can lawrence o'donnell". >> is your donald trump locater working tonight? is your donald trump locater working tonight? >> he is in california tonight. and as you may know, since you grew up there, they're not in the same time zone we are. it's actually three hours earlier. which means, i might get live donald trump. >> the west coast donald trump. >> he is in orange county, california. and the control room's going to be watching. i guess if they like it, they will do live donald trump and i will sit back and watch the show. >> good luck with that. i will get new batteries in my detector. >> thanks. >> today, john boehner proved once again there is no
politician like a retired politician. >> we're going to win, win, win, win. >> i don't think he's a serious person. >> i'm at a holiday inn. you can belief it. >> i thought about, should i keep going? carry on? >> the man eats in large bites. >> i decided to keep going. >> they form an alliance. it's a disaster. >> what does he do to recover? he gets carly fiorina. >> in the bus, back in the bus with the girls. >>ky picture hillary thinking about carly tossing and turning in her jail cell. >> oh, my god. >> cruz now looks like a fool. >> john boehner had interesting comments. >> i never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch --
>> i had a few cokes a maybe a beer or two with ted and it's fun. >> over my dead body. >> this is "the last word" campaign 2016. >> as we have just seen, with very, very few exceptions, the best politicians are retired politicians. that is when most of them are at their best. when they have given up all hope of ever being elected to office again, they can finally be themselves. remember when bob dole lost in 1996 and bill clinton was re-elected, the very first thing he did was to go on letterman. dave was doing his show in washington that week and bob dole got laughs from start to finish. this is after a year of campaigning when bob dole appeared to be a stiff
republican politician. americans had seen bob dole as they had never seen him before. here is is bob dole telling dave about the phone call he had on election night when he knew he lost and his political career was over. >> i said, i lost. but, i said, congratulations, mr. president. you won. it wasn't close. we both worked very hard. and i said, let's get together and talk about america some time. my slogan was a better man for a better america. and i'm going to head to florida. my slogan will be a better tan. >> why not? >> nothing loosens up a politician like losing and retiring. or in john boehner's case, being driven to the breaking point as speaker of the housley rabid right wing tea party republicans
in the house of representatives egged on every day by senator ted cruz. that's why john boehner resigned in the middle of his term. boehner quit because he couldn't stand another day trying to control out of control children in his party, in the house of representatives and an out of control senator in his party, cheering them on. so no one should have been surprised today to learn that john boehner hates ted cruz. and i mean hates him. john boehner is retired. no one should be too surprised that john boehner feels free to tell the truth as he sees it about ted cruz. especially when it can hurt ted cruz the most. and everywhere he goes, everyone has a recording device in their pockets, we shouldn't be surprised. we got to hear john boehner call
ted cruz the devil. >> how about ted cruz? >> lucifer in the flesh. in washington, i have many democrat friends, i have republican friends. i get to along with almost everybody. but i have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life. over my dead body, will he be president. >> over my dead body. john boehner said that to an audience at stanford university last night. we learned about his personal history with donald trump and that he doesn't see that donald trump can win the presidency because there are just not enough voters who look like john boehner and donald trump.
>> donald trump and i are friends. we played a lot of golf over the years. we used to text. we used to call me once a while, and pat me on the back. and i haven't heard from him since he decided to run for president. and it looks like he is going to be the nominee. he is my friend but i don't know if he is presidential. i don't know how you insult two-thirds of americans, women, and win. >> he could not have set himself up perfectly if donald trump is the nominee and how will you vote if ted cruz is the nominee? >> if donald trump is the nominee, i will vote for him. to ted cruz is the nominee, i will not vote for him.
over my dead body. >> over my dead body. needless to say, john boehner is officially invited to appear on this program any night for the rest of time. he is talking like that. he is saying what mitch mcconnell is thinking about ted cruz and cannot say. what paul ryan is thinking about ted cruz and cannot say. let's listen to what paul ryan said ted when luke russert asked him about what his friend said about ted cruz. >> i have a much better relationship than that with senator cruz. look, my job is to help unify our party. to take all the pieces of the conservative movement and stitch them together, especially after a primary. i have a very good relationship with both men and i'm going to keep it that way. >> how boring is that? my job is to unify -- oh, boy.
how boring is the current speaker compared to the retired speaker? i'm sure paul ryan's going to be a lot of fun when he's retired too. but until then, we have john boehner to tell us what paul ryan's really thinking. that is that they would rather lose with trump than lose with cruz. john boehner said they would lose with donald trump as their nominee because there are not enough white males out there to re-elect him. and the reason is not because donald trump is a better republican. john boehner would rather lose with trump. because he hates ted cruz. he thinks ted cruz is the devil. the thinks ted cruz is a terrible, terrible person. and the problem for ted cruz is that john boehner isn't just speaking for washington professional republicans.
according to the polls, he is speaking for millions of republicans out there. the stop trump movement would have a tough job if they have a strong candidate to offer an alternative to trump. but the stop trump movement is stopped with ted cruz as their alternative with donald trump. and a republican candidate and a republican leader who can happily and publicly call lucifer in the flesh. we're joined by luke russert, capitol hill correspondent for nbc news and cooper, the senior adviser for the never trump super pac. and brian dougherty is with us in new york. luke, huh a moment with the current speaker. i have a feeling you wish you could have had a moment with the retired speaker. would have been a lot more fun. >> certainly.
i presume the dinner beforehand where the california reds were flowing. interesting comments from john boehner. and i think we in the media, when we listen to the stop trump movement, very strong circles, forget the damage inflicted by ted cruz not only upon john boehner and rory cooper's former boss in october of 2013 but the rank and file members who had to deal with ted cruz and those affiliated with him, aiming their money at these guys and moving the goal post on any type of deal throughout that process to the point where john boehner said, you are forcing me to negotiate with nancy pelosi to pass a bill that is going to be more liberal than it has to be. and john boehner hasn't forgotten that and nor have others forgotten able that. being so conservative, ted cruz
actually weakened them. will they all jump on board the trump train tomorrow? probably not. but when you see the endorsements that trump was able to obtain today, jeff miller, the chairman of the veteran affairs committee, you are starting to see, more members looking at the results, seeing that he won every county in pennsylvania, seeing he has won in connecticut, massachusetts, mississippi, alabama, and say, maybe i shouldn't go against my constituents. the idea f we lose with cruz, at least we don't upset people. now you are coming back up for air and hearing, i don't know if we want ted cruz to be our full time standard. it will be interesting to see where hill goes at the end of the day. >> rory cooper, one of the trick questions for months for liberals, who would you rather
prefer to have as president if it ever came to that. ted cruz or donald trump? and donald trump wins that question, the painful question with a lot of people. mostly because they feel he doesn't believe anything. and to ted cruz really does. and some liberals feel they have a lot more to fear from him. rory, on the top trump movement, where would they be tonight? if they had to ask voters who to vote for instead of ted cruz? >> le's step back a second. ted cruz probably welcomed the comments today. this an accomplishment for the republican primary and having members of congress saying they had a hard time working with cruz is part of his stump speech. i don't any he thinks of it as a bad timing in indiana for this to happen. let's also put into perspective what the consequences are of a
donald trump nomination on that legislative body on the house and the senate. donald trump's polling is so disastrous across all 50 states. in mississippi in a general matchup, hillary clinton is in the margin of error. hillary clinton is leading in one of the most republican states in the country. if you want to have a firewall in congress and the house and the senate that would protect against a potential hillary clinton presidency, you cannot have donald trump as the nominee. he is going to decimate the senate majority but he will threaten one of the largest democratic majorities they have had. he will play strong, move in his direction, have a win in indiana, change his narrative and hopefully the members of congress who are looking around and seeing if they want to be be with donald trump will realize
the consequences it will have on their majorities. >> let's listen to what donald trump's big endorser in indiana said about trump today. >> i'm not here to represent the republican party. quite frankly, i don't give a damn about the republicans. this man is not a rep, republican or a democrat. he is just a great american. >> you don't hear that very often in a rally speech for the republican nomination. >> did you don't get a nominee who has been viciously attacked by the previous nominee, as trump has been attacked by mitt romney and you don't get a party and conservative movement that is trying to stop trump with the most appealing american in the senate. and you see the results. the never trump movement has a problem that ted cruz is their man. not only is he their man and he repulses women in polls, he
repulses the party leadership. that is why he has very few endorsements. what you saw with boehner today, boehner was a man handed in the 2010 election of bag after raccoons. ted cruz is the man hitting the bag of raccoons with a baseball bat. that is why boehner thinks he is satan in the flesh. i'm not surprised. >> it seems to me, have the problem of being stuck with a bad candidate to represent them in that sector of the republican party. >> well, cruz -- cruz first of all embraced trump last summer. and he said, i love donald trump. the establishment wants to see me in a cage match with trump.
we got it. is it happy? not at all. so there's that problem for cruz. and cruz can raise funds. he can do the smart commercials with the phil robertson and some other celebrities. but he failed to win in the south, where the vote is strong. and failing to win in the south, he could not win the nomination anymore. so you are asking the never trump movement to vote for a sure loser, someone who cannot win the nomination. >> we have to break it there. thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thanks. >> coming up, former basketball coach and trump supporter bobby knight. we will hear more from him. he thinks he know what is donald trump will do as president with nuclear weapons, probably what bobby knight would do with them. and in the war room tonight.
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if donald trump coached a basketball team, it would look a little something like this. >> free throw shooter will have the honor of shooting technicals. >> look here. look here. bobby knight just threw his chair across the free-throw line. >> that basketball coach has of course endorsed donald trump for president. >> we have to talk about that presidential crap for a moment here. i will tell you who they said wasn't presidential. that guy was harry truman. and harry truman with what he did in dropping and having the guts to drop the bomb in 1944 saved -- saved billions of american lives. >> yeah, that's billions. with a "b." it really is impossible to stop like this every time an insane thing is said.
but he did just say that the bombing of hiroshima saved billions. i suppose you could say that he meant millions. the bombing forced japan sooner than it was going to surrender and no doubt saved thousands of american soldiers' lives. but to bobby knight, that didn't sound good enough or bobby knight has no idea what he is talking about. but ill informed trump supporters cheer for him any way. but the billion thing has barely been noticed today because of what bobby knight said after a that. >> and harry truman with what he did in dropping and having the guts to drop the bomb in 1944 saved -- saved billions of american lives.
and that's what harry truman did. and he became one of the three great presidents of the united states. and here's a man who would do the same thing. because he's going to become one of the four great presidents of the united states. >> joining us now, graham ward, and mike breen, of the truman national security project and its partner organization, the truman center. mike breen, your reaction to what you heard about harry truman? >> as the guy who runs the national truman statement, crazy is an under statement. saying you are going to drop bombs to nuke isis, they are insurgents. beyond that, that is not one mistake on the campaign trail.
this is a candidate who has repeated said he plans on issues illegal orders to the american military. he will order them to go after the women and children, the families of terrorists. if it doesn't work, we should do it because terrorists deserve it. the geneva convention is something that makes american soldiers lose their will to fight. which is offensive. imagine being an american military officer. if you take the man for his word. imagine he means this stuff. what do you do? you get the order, you're the central commander. you get an order their says hunt down and kill the children of isis leaders, deploy nuclear weapons against mosul, the third largest city in iraq. what do you do? i never would evade an order like that.
certainly never the men and women i served with would evade that order. but now we have a crisis. we haven't had that since the american civil war. this should deeply trouble us. >> graham to your specialty, isis. donald trump has plan to wipe out isis very quickly. savannah guthrie talked about that. >> let's talk about isis. yesterday you said they would be gone very quickly in a trump administration. can you be specific. are you envisioning a ground troop presence in iraq to get rid of isis. >> one of the points of my speech, unpredictability. >> yeah, but people are casting votes. >> graham, is there a secret
plan that generals are refusing to tell president obama about that could wipe out isis quickly? >> no isis, it has tanks, a lot of pickups. it has thousands of men with light arms. there's no secret here about how easy it would be for the u.s. military to take them out, to destroy their military capability and to occupy the territory they have. but trump seems to be confused about is what the difficulty is. the difficulty is the day after do you that. >> what would it take to do that? what if he says, what does it take to do it? >> you go to the pentagon and you say execute a plan to lead us in a terrible situation with that -- that will just give us the same kind -- >> how many troops? >> i don't know the number. but it would be tens of thousands of troops, perhaps. and it would not be difficult to
take out the command and control of isis. the problem after that a situation that is completely chaotic and will lead us to something that looked like iraq in 2007 or 2008. and which donald trump says he wants to avoid being in. >> and never does second stage thinking. every reaction is first stage thinking. the first notion of build a wall. the first notion of -- whatever the first idea is. and graham is saying in this case, the second idea, after you have done that, what happens? that is the thinking at that stage no one has seen from trump. >> that is right. and what do you do next? you can go take it isil if you want to. we had kabul in 2001 and 2002.
we are trying to deal with the mop up. that is the hard part. >> graham and michael, thank you both for joining us. appreciate it. coming up n the war room tonight and look at hillary clinton's strategy against donald trump if they are the nominees of their parties. this is brad. his day of coaching begins with knee pain, when... hey brad, wanna trade the all day relief of two aleve for six tylenol? what's the catch? there's no catch. you want me to give up my two aleve for six tylenol?
the control room will cut to it if, in their judgment, anything worth cutting to happens. it's running a half hour late. who know what will happen there. first, here is how it looked today on the campaign trail. >> what is the topic today? indiana. >> i don't want to be presidential. i want to win. i got to win. >> i will tell you who they said wasn't presidential. harry truman. >> he rambled on and on. >> having the guts to drop the bomb in 1944 -- >> and then he went on and i didn't really understand the story he was telling. >> how do you top that? how do you top that? >> i never expected -- >> he also told me that ted cruz's selection of carly fiorina is an act of desperation. >> it's unusual to make an announcement early.
>> there are still a lot of grudges against ted cruz. >> john boehner calling you the most miserable s.o.b. he has ever worked with. >> i have a much better relationship with ted cruz. >> keep it clean on capitol hill today. >> i decided to keep going. >> this is really the last stand in many ways for the stop trump movement. >> we are seeing a tale of two campaigns. senator sanders out in oregon and indiana. >> our job is to revitalize american democracy. >> underneath all of it is the backdrop for the fight for indiana, five days away.
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study, to run from. the clinton campaign made its message about policy. using this video using donald trump's own words against him. >> everything i say i do i do. ♪ >> i will get rid of gun free zones on schools. my first day, it gets signed. okay? planned parenthood should be defunded. get red of obama care. i will build a great, great wall. you will have a deportation. a total and complete shut down of muslims in the united states. >> when you get the terrorists, you have to take out their families. >> you will go further than waterboarding? >> absolutely.
>> joining us in the war room tonight. where to get our war room, you have to have been in the a real war room. a writer for the clinton-gore campaign. and rick wilson. rick, what should the clinton campaign war room be doing tonight in terms of anticipating donald trump the nominee? what game films should they will watching? what are the lessons learned? >> they should look at 65% of republican voters who do not want donald trump. that they wanted someone else in the race. they should start looking at those people and why they hesitant about trump. the of course huge flag out there, that women are the soft under belly for trump.
republican women don't like the guy enter she will frame out not her role as a historic figure about the campaign but things that make uncomfortable about trump. his attitude, i had affect. his treatment of people, women, shoot from the lip on every single subject and they should dial it in the suburbs are the educated republican class lives. the women there that are the dirty little secret of the under belly. shut be in fairfax county, virginia. hamilton county, ohio. jefferson county, colorado. where they have rep swing voters and they are already adverse to donald trump in a profound way. it won't take much to push him from the mid 60s to the low 80s.
>> let's thereon what hillary clinton said about her strategy dealing with donald trump. i got say, i'm sure there are people in the war room who think this might not be the full strategy. let's listen to that. >> i'm not going to respond to what he said about me. i will respond to what he said about women in general. about what he said about immigrants, muslims. i will respond on behalf of all the people that are the target of his hatred and demagoguery. >> if was in a war room with hillary clinton, part of it is the advice i would give her. don't let him get to under your skin. don't let him and the media make it a three ring circus.
she has to take him very seriously. i think some of the republicans and the mistakes they made, they thought it was a phase, not that serious. they thought the trump boom would not pan out. obviously now she has to take him very seriously. and she has to go on the offense against him. she has to continue to remind people like we saw in that ad that you just played, what he stands for. and what he believes about a lot of americans that is really horrific. and when she says she is not going to responsibility to what he says about me that is what she is talking about. >> the primary campaign in that bubble where there is no fbi investigation of hillary clinton's e-mail while she was secretary of state. that bubble is going to burst in the general election campaign without question.
and what primaries do, they give you practice for dealing with the controversies. they have had no practice dealing with this. in the war room, do they have strategies to respond to that? often times, the candidate is not the best person to respond. >> she will have a wall of surrogates. and she has bill clinton. he is held in a favorable light with most voters. but you're right there is a -- there is a bubble they have been in for a long time. there is nothing wrong with her that think think a little more advertising won't fix. >> we have to cut it there. and the control room wants to go to trump and hear what he has to say about.
>> i love that, latinos for trump. thank you. thank you, i love that sign. thank you to everybody. i love california, i love this state. great feelings. you know, we want to bring on some friends. we have some friends. they were outside, they were taking a picture, i said, come on stage with me for a couple minutes and they are incredible people. they lost loved ones to illegal immigration and they are unbelievable. they have suffered. i have gotten to know them over a period of time. and come on over here, folks. come on. these are great people. they have become my friends over the last couple years and they have really suffered.
and a friend of mine, he's really become a great friend of mine, jamil shaw, he just -- he had a son who was an incredible, incredible son, going to college on a scholarship. he was going get in a scholarship, great football player and i just want jamil representing the group to say a few words and explain what happened. it's tough. it's tough. your son died with unbelievable purpose because of what is happening. we will get to other thing, including jobs, jamil. jamil shaw, great friend. >> thank you, thank you. i just want to bring you back to the day that donald trump was coming down the escalator and everybody saw the first day. i was watching it too. and i felt to proud. my son and was murdered in 2008.
and when i saw trump and what he said, for the first time, it gave me real hope. real change. something to hope for. gave us something to hope for. because we know what trump will do. he is going to do everything he says. that is why everybody is so scared nature know a change is coming. a change is coming. you know, and march the 2nd, 2008, me and my son, we were going to a football camp in pasadena and it was designed for guys who were going to be division i athletes. we worked hard. on the way home from pasadena, he is asking, can he go to the mall? and i was worried, thinking he would get -- and you know, he's a good kid. never been in trouble, never been in jail no gangs, he had done a lot of things right, like a lot of our kids were. they were living so the-called american dream.
they give us the american nightmare. it's not right. so on the way home, i let him go to the mall and hang out. i told him, be home by 7:00. and i call him where you at? and he said, i missed the bus. we're on our way. we're safe, though, dad, we're safe. and i said, i would have come and got you. you should have called me. and i said, i will call new an hour. and he said, i'm right around the corner. i felt, whew. he made it back home. get your clothes on. we're going to get track spikes because he had a track meet that friday and we were going to get something to eat and i heard two gunshots. pow. it was so crispy. people who know guns know that crispiness, it's real close. and i remember saying, damn, i hope this boy's not dead. called his phone. and man in the street dead. shot in the head.
and i couldn't believe it. and to find out, illegal alien on his third gun charge. assault with a deadly weapon, battery on a police officer, resisting arrest. they put him in county jail for eight months, let him out four months early. the same day he got out, he was looking for blacks to kill because the 18th street gang has a thing where they have to kill and do bad things on the first day out so they will not get rehabilitated. so they get right back where they left off. he is looking for somebody black to kill. he is in my neighborhood. my son minding his business. illegal alien, running over to him and asks hill him, what sect you from? he ain't in a sect. i was there the whole time.
i dedicate my life to my kids. and to see him laying dead in the street and to hear he was in a county jail and released -- >> that is jamil shaw speaking at donald trump's event. he has spoken before and we heard that same story before. the story of his son's death. we will take a break and be right back. i could get used to this. now you can, with the luxuriously transformed 2016 lexus es and es hybrid. ♪
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>> a lot of things in this country. we're going to get our country back to a balance. hey, we want people to come in. but they have to come in legally. they have to come in through a process. we can't be -- we can't be put in this position anymore. and it's going to change. it's going to change fast. look at these crowds of people we are getting, no matter where i go. and i just left indiana. i'm going back very soon. and frankly, they talk about the same thing. even where indiana is located, you wouldn't think it would be a problem. it's a huge problem. people are coming in. nobody knows where they are coming from. you know, the obama administration is taking people in from the migration. we have people coming in from the middle east that are brought in, we have no idea who they are. there is no documentation. there is no paper work. we are putting them all over the country by the thousands and we
have no idea what the hell is going to happen. we have no idea. so look, folks, we're going to straighten it out. i was very honored because this last week, the border patrol, they are amazing people. they want to do their job. they are not allowed to do their job. they are told to stand back -- don't do -- stand back and they endorsed me. 15,500 order patrol agents. and when we let them go to it, they're going to be great even before the wall gets built. we will build a wall. mexico is going to pay for the wall. we're going to stop drugs from coming in, the drugs are poisoning our youth and a lot of other people and we're going to get it stopped. we're going to get it stopped. and let me just tell you.
you see the hispanic signs and the latino signs. and i love the people. african-american signs, i love that sign, by the way. and we're going to do great with the african-americans, with the hispanics. because we are going to bring jobs back to this country. we're going to bring jobs back to this country. our jobs have been sucked away like you take candy from a baby. we're not going to let it happen anymore, folks. we're not going to let it happen. so we have to be tough. we have to be vigilant. we have to be strong. good, thank you, darling. i love you too. great. i tell this story and in a way, it's a rough, rough story. but this country is so politically correct, we don't get anything -- we don't understand anything.
we don't understand what's going on. and it's the story of general pershing. do you know the story? does anybody know it? they are having a tremendous -- this is before the first world war. they are having a tremendous problem with really radical islamic terrorism. they were having an unbelievable problem. general pershing was a tough, ruthless general. he wouldn't do well today. he was too tough, too ruthless. and probably used foul language. he would be out. this is a problem that was out of control. many people are killed. and we have a president who doesn't want to use the term. by the way, muslims, great people. tremendous people. we understand where there's a problem, you have to bring up the name. it's called radical islamic terrorism.
i have many muslim friends who call me, thank you, donald. we all want it cured. you can't cure a problem if you don't want to mention what the problem is. general pershing is sent there to solve a really serious terror problem. they caught 50 radical islamic terrorists. they caught them. they took the 50, they lined them up. they took a pig and then a seconds pig and they cut the pig open and they cut the but lets from the rifle and they dumped the bullets into the pigs and swashed them around and they took the but lels and shot 49 of the 50 people. and the 50th person, they said,
take this bullet and bring it back to all of the people causing the problem and tell them what happened tonight. he took the bullet. he brought it back, that 50th person. and for 42 years, they didn't have a problem with radical islamic terrorism, folks. okay? believe me. so we're going to have to get a lot tougher than we are. we have problems you wouldn't believe. during one of the debates, we have this guy, lying ted cruz. i mean, nobody likes him. i have never seen a guy like this. in fact --
thank you. have we branded this guy or what? i mean, he probably -- i see him walking into the beautiful carters in washington and people say, hey, lying ted, how you doing? he's a liar. i have never seen him. i talk about health care, and everything -- and two hours later, he will say, donald trump loves obama care. by the way, we are going to repeal it and replace it. >> that will do it for this hour. trump at the gates. let's play hardball. good evening. i'm chris matthews. has donald trump broken through the gate on the citizens of republican establishment getting ready the cheer.
this is what it looks like in washington. donald trump is well on his way to the nomination with ted cruz and his allies having just five days left to stop him. what was once a stop trump movement seems like a movement to accept trump. john boehner used strong language against trump's rival calling him, well, you listen. >> how about ted cruz? >> lucifer in the flesh. in washington i have democrat friends and i have republican friends. i got along with almost everyone. but i have never worked with a more miserable son of a [ expletive ] in my life. >> that's what he's saying on the record. lucifer in the flesh. with boehner blasting cruz, the list of trump supporters on capitol hill continues to grow. the latest today, pennsylvania congressman bill shuster who said donald is a private sector business leader who knows what