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roof there at the pentagon. officials are about to release the long-awaited report or one of the most infamous episodes of the war in afghanistan, that u.s. air strike on a doctors without borders hospital last october. 42 civilians were killed. the organization has called the strike by an ac-130 gunship a deliberate act tantamount to a war crime. general john campbell called it a tragic but avoidable accident caused primarily by human error. u.s. officials say the hospital was mistaken for a taliban compound nearby. we're talking about the release of this report as fallout intensifies from another just two days ago. another attack on a doctors without borders compound, hospital supported in the syrian city of aleppo, the largest city in sear yachlt tyrisyria. at least 27 people were killed
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in that strike, including doctors, nurses, patients, including children. the u.s. officials blame the syrian government of bashar al assad. of course they say it was not them. we're following that breaking story in washington. let's get back to politics here. katy tur outside trump tower in manhattan and she joins me now. let's talk about this endorsement that's coming. indiana governor mike pence endorsing ted cruz. katy, what does it mean to the race and do the trump folks even consider this a setback at all? >> reporter: a source close to the governor told hallie jackson they believe governor pence is going to endorse ted cruz. certainly a blow to donald trump and his campaign. they actively courted that endorsement. he and governor christie both met with governor pence to try to get him on board trump's candidacy. but in the reality -- with the reality of things, donald trump hasn't had very many endorsements throughout this campaign. endorsements haven't mattered to him in the way endorsements have mattered to past campaigns.
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his supporters don't seem to care one way or another. so certainly this matters to ted cruz. it could potentially move the needle for him. that state is contentious at the moment. donald trump believes that he'll be able to win it and in the polling that they have been watching seems to indicate that they have a good shot. ultimately indiana isn't necessary for him to get to 1,237 and that's what the campaign is saying. they believe they're going to have smuch a strong showing in california and other states that vote on june 7th, including new jersey, that indiana won't necessarily be the straw that broke the camel's back, especially since he did so well in the northeast earlier this week, getting 109 delegates. so this endorsement big news for ted cruz, bad news for donald trump, but not necessarily the worst news. >> katy tur outside trump tower. let's get back to the pentagon releasing the results of an investigation into the u.s. air strike on a doctors without borders hospital in afghanistan. this is general joseph o'dell,
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commander. u.s. central command. he is speaking right now. l let's listen in. >> i can assure you we are committed to minimizing casualties in future combat operations. as many of you know, general john campbell, the u.s. forces afghanistan commander, directed the investigation into this incident and appointed u.s. army major general william hickman as the lead investigator, along with two deputy investigating officers, brigadier general shawn jenkins and brigadier general robert armfield. they were selected because of their years of professional experience and understanding of the complex operational environment in afghanistan. they were also selected because they came from assignments outside of afghanistan and could bring an objective and independent perspective to the investigation. these officers and a supporting staff of more than a dozen associated subject matter experts visited the doctors
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without borders trauma center in afghanistan and various other key locations, interviewed more than 65 witnesses and engaged each echelon of the command involved in this operation. this was a thorough investigation done with pain-staking attention to detail, followed by an in-depth review process. the progress of the investigation was guided by a pursuit for an accurate account of the facts and contributing factors associated with the incident. following his review, general campbell approved the investigation on november 21st, 2015. subsequently, we were able to begin the process of redacting the more than 3,000 pages making up the exhibreport and its exhi to make sure no classified or protected force was released while remaining true to our commitment to be as transparent as possible in regard to the investigation. in line with this commit menlt, following today's briefing, u.s.
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central command will post this to the freedom of information act reading room website which is accessible to the public. before i get to your questions, i'll briefly provide an overview of the investigation findings and outline the actions that have been taken to reduce the risk of a similar tragedy from occurring again in the future. importantly, the investigation concluded that the personnel involved did not know they were striking a medical facility. the intended target was an insurgent-controlled site which was approximately 400 meters from the doctors without borders trauma center. the investigation found that an ac-130 gunship air crew in support of a u.s. special forces element that was supporting an afghan partner ground force misidentified and struck the doctors without borders trauma center. the investigation determined that all members of both the ground force and the ac-130 air crew were unaware that the aircraft was firing on a medical facility throughout the
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engagement. the investigation ultimately concluded that this tragic incident was caused by a combination of human errors, compounded by process and equipment failures. understanding the context in which our forces were operating that evening is important. leading up to this incident, u.s. special operations forces and their after fan special operations partners had been engaged in intense fighting for several consecutive days and nights andra peled heavy and sustained enemy attacks. the ground zero force was fatigued from fighting and running low on supplies. in response to this urgent tactical situation, the ac-130 aircraft and crew launched from its base 69 minutes earlier than originally planned. as a result, the crew did not get all the preparatory information they normally would have received during a mission to include identification of no-strike areas. their ability to receive this information while in flight was
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lost when one of their satellite radios failed. shortly after arriving on scene, the aircraft was fired on by a surface-to-air missile and subsequently moved several miles away from the city center. from this distance the air crew received the grid coordinates of a taliban-controlled building. when the air crew attempted to plot the coordinates of this enemy building, the system directed them to an open field which was obviously not the correct location. the air crew attempted to find the intended target in the nearby area. instead, they found the doctors without borders trauma center that generally matched the physical description of the building relayed over the radio by the ground force. at this point the air crew mistakenly believed that the trauma center was the taliban-controlled building which was about a quarter mile away. the investigation found that throughout the engagement that followed, the ground force commander and the air crew mistakenly believed that the air crew and aircraft was firing on the intended target.
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i want to emphasize that the trauma center was a protected facility and was on a no-strike list. our forces did not receive fire from the trauma center during the incident nor did the investigation find that insurgents were using it as a base for operations. some insurgents were treated at the trauma center, but hospitals and patients are protected on the battlefield. the trauma center was a protected facility, but it was misidentified during this engagement. the investigation concluded that certain personnel failed to comply with the rules of engagement and the law of armed conflict. however, the investigation did not conclude that these failures amounted to a war crime. the label war crimes is typically reserved for intentional acts, intentionally targeting civilians or intentionally targeting protected objects or locations. again, the investigation found that the incident resulted from a combination of human errors, process errors and equipment failures and that none of the
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personnel knew they were striking a hospital. the investigation identified 16 u.s. service members whose conduct warranted consideration for appropriate administrative or disciplinary action, including a general officer. general campbell took the action he deemed appropriate regarding 12 of the 16 personnel involved in this tragic incident, who were in afghanistan, including the general officer. the actions included suspension and removal from command, letters of reprimand, formal counseling and extensive retraining. general campbell also forwarded the investigation to me at u.s. special operations command where i was serving as the commander at the time to consider action regarding the five personnel who had returned to the united states. i subsequently took action with respect to four of these five personnel by issuing letters of reprimand and admonishment and directions that the flight crew be referred to a u.s. air force flight evaluation board to
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assess their suitability for future flight duties. i referred the fifth service member to lieutenant general ken toval, the commander of u.s. army special operations command who issued a written reprimand and directed recertification in the service member's job specialty. it is important to point out that these adverse administrative actions can carry severe repercussions on the careers and professional qualification of these individuals that could include denial of promotion or advancement and possible separation from the service. in light of the report's conclusion that the errors committed were unintentional and after considering other mitigating factors, such as the intense combat situation and equipment failures that affected the mission, from a senior commander's perspective the measures taken against these individuals were appropriate to address the errors they made. let me add that we are not publicly releasing the names of these service members to protect the privacy of the individuals
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and because some of them remain assigned to overseas, sensitive or routinely deployable units. in addition to these personnel accountability actions, general campbell ordered supplemental training for u.s. forces afghanistan on the applicable authorities framework, rules of engagement and the commander's tactical guidance, all which were designed to minimize the risk that a tragedy like this would occur. this training was delivered to over 9,000 personnel and completed in november of 2015. he also directed a comprehensive review of the targeting process and published an order reinforcing the application of the no-strike list. aircraft systems are now preloaded with key information, including the no-strike list database to minimize the reliance on post-launch communications. general campbell also issued a revised tactical directive and targeted standard operating procedure to address this -- to address this situation.
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u.s. forces afghanistan also provided the leadership of doctors without borders with a means to facilitate direct contact with our command centers. and today, secretary of defense carter will release a memo directing all of the services and senior commanders to take a series of corrective actions as a result. his guidance is clear, we must learn from this tragedy and take steps to reduce the risk of similar incidents in the future. before i conclude, i'd also like to highlight that we have made it a priority to engage with doctors without borders and the afghan government to keep them updated and to offer our support where we can. senior u.s. government and central command representatives have spoken with doctors without borders officials, including the organization's executive director over two dozen times to express our condolences, explain how this tragic incident occurred and outline our future steps. additionally, u.s. forces
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afghanistan leaders have offered their sympathies and provided condolence payments to more than 170 individuals and families affected by this tragedy. these modest payments are not designed to compensate the victims or place a value on their lives, but are a gesture of sympathy. and the department of defense has approved $5.7 million in funds to construct a comparable structure that is suitable for use as a medical facility. in conclusion, we are deeply saddened that this tragedy occurred and again offer our sincerest condolences to all of those who are affected. we are committed to learning from the mistakes that were made and will work hard to train and put systems in place that will reduce the risk of such an accident occurring again in the future. i'll be happy to take your questions now. >> bob burns, a.p. >> on the matter of accountability, given the number of mistakes and the severity of
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the consequences and despite the fact that these actions were unintentional, could you explain in your own words why this did not amount to negligence warranting more severe punishment? and also could you in your own words explain why this is not a war crime. >> right. so let me take the last part of your question first here. as i mentioned in my remarks here, the interpretation here, the legal interpretation and our understanding of this, the fact that this was unintentional, an unintentional action takes it out of the realm of actually being a deliberate war crime against persons or protected locations. so that is the principal reason why we do not consider this to be a war crime. to your earlier part of your question, i personally expended a great amount of effort and
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time in adjudicating the cases that were provided to me. i had the opportunity to review the investigation in great detail. i consulted with my legal advisers. i consulted with my chain of command on both the army and the air force side and i personally met with the four officers that i adjudicated against. and what i concluded after that was that this was an extraordinarily intense combat situation. the ground force commander, as i mentioned in my remarks, and his force had been engaged for about four days in pretty intense combat. and up unto the time of this particular strike had been actually fighting at the location where they were. so this was an extraordinarily intense situation. they were doing a variety of actions at the same time. they were trying to support their afghan partners. they were trying to execute resupply operations and they were trying to defend themselves. so the picture that i'm painting
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for you is a very intense situation on the ground. the air crew, as i mentioned, arrived over kunduz -- >> the general there talking about precisely what happened last october in afghanistan, indicating that the 16 service members who were involved in the bombing of that hospital will not face criminal charges. they will be disciplined, however. no court-martials. also explaining precisely why it was that the pentagon does not view this as a war crime. heather holbert is director of new models of policy change at the new america foundation, previously held senior positions in the white house, also the state department under president clinton. ayman mohyeldin is also here, so is medal of honor recipient colonel jack jake objects. -- jacobs. heather, let me start with you. your assessment of the definition of war crimes differs from the assessment that we're getting from the general here.
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how so? >> well, i appreciate actually -- the general did one important thing right off the bat that there was no taliban activity inside the hospital and make it clear that it was completely mistaken from beginning to end to strike the hospital. but the trick about war crimes is it's not enough to say we didn't do it on purpose, you also have to have made a reasonable effort to know or you should have known. so just saying i didn't know isn't an excuse. i think there's going to be some very careful parsing of the report in particular by doctors without borders which you can understand is still so angry and raw about this to say, well, yes, they didn't know but how can you, the greatest fighting force in the world, not have known. that's why the reporter asked the question about doesn't this amount to negligence. >> colonel jack, human error, process equipment, apparently our guys left more than an hour
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earlier than originally planned so there was information they did not have. the physical descriptions of the two buildings, very similar. no court-martials. is that surprising at all? >> yeah, it surprises me. maybe the investigation is not over yet. the commanders can always conduct article 32 investigations to see whether or not there's any reason to actually prosecute anybody. i really do think it's not over yet. you're absolutely right, human error. but i've got to tell you this. this is what happens when there's an excessive reliance on technological means to acquire targets to conduct a war. when we forget about the fact that there are actually people on the ground who are in the middle of a fight, when we rely wholly on technological means to identify enemy locations and friendly locations, these kinds of things can happen. i can tell you that i myself have put in hundreds of air
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strikes in the heat of combat and in every single case, i was in direct visual contact with the enemy location. the forward air controller knew exactly where i was and he also knew where the enemy location was. and the mistakes are often made in the heat of combat. what we saw here is basically the result of everybody relying not on human beings but relying wholly on technological means to acquire a target and to hit it. i think this is a lesson. people on the ground fight the war and people on the ground have to be relied on to identify the target, identify their own location, and coordinate with air power in order to eliminate the enemy location. >> ayman, again, we're having this conversation as the call to do something about precisely
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what happened two days ago in aleppo, the calls to do something there, those calls are intensifying. bring us up to speed on what's happening there, the idea that a hospital would be targeted even by the assad regime is something that a lot of folks find unfathomable. >> it's a different theater of operation but nonetheless a doctors without borders facility, this one in syria. it happened wednesday night and there were reports of more strikes targeting various clinics in the city of aleppo. aleppo has been the scene of very intense fighting between the syrian regime and rebels from the opposition groups fighting against the syrian regime. what happened on wednesday night by many accounts, including that of the united states state department, is that a syrian air force strike targeted a building or a neighborhood that housed a doctors without borders facility. in that hospital was a pediatric unit, emergency operating room. one of the very few doctors who operates on children, a pediatrician, was killed in that
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air strike. doctors without borders, a lot of international aid organizations condemning it but giving you a sense of how difficult it has become not only in places like afghanistan, where the u.s. knows about some of these facilities and where errors can happen but also in places like syria where medical facilities and clinics are being directly targeted. now, the syrian government has not taken responsibility for it, but it is only the syrian government and the russian air force that are currently operating in that theater, at least in that part of the theater, which is in aleppo. in this particular area it is an area that is held by the rebels. as i was saying, there's been some intense fighting taking place, really threatening or jeopardizing the fragile cease-fire between the two sides that has been in place about two months. as a result of that, boy some accounts as much as 27 people were killed including doctors, including medical staff as well as some of the patients that were bowing treated in there. but it is underscoring really the fragility of the cease-fire that is beginning to break apart. >> that cease-fire negotiated back in february.
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really quickly here, this assessment -- scratch that. this claim from the syrian government that it wasn't them, what do you make of that? >> right now it's very difficult to assess that. the evidence on the ground, and this has emerged as a result of both some of the reporting from aid organizations that are operating there as well as the u.s. state department is that it has all the hallmarks of the syrian regime. the syrian air force and the russian air force are the two air forces that are operating in that area. the russian air force has come out and said they were not carrying out any strikes at the time. we know from past experiences that the hallmarks of some of these strikes, at least what we're seeing in terms of some of the footage that has come out of there, is that it is consistent with the types of crude bombings that have taken place as a result of the syrian air force. again, it's difficult for nbc news to independently verify that, but it is at least the belief of the aid organizations that are on the ground in aleppo in that theater where that strike took place, craig. >> ayman, heather, colonel jack, appreciate your time.
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hillary clinton shifting her campaign to the general election and the clash with donald trump, that is looking more and more likely. the clinton campaign using trumpest latest attacks against her to fund raise.
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an e-mail offering to send a literal woman card to donors. it set up a website which redirects to a web page listing her position on women's issues. bernie sanders still focused on the primary, holding a rally in indianapolis in the next hour. this as his campaign is spending more time about pushing a progressive agenda within the democratic party, a point that sanders hammered home at a rally in oregon yesterday. >> the democratic party up to now has not been clear about which side they are on on the major issues facing this country. the democratic party has to reach a fundamental conclusion. are we on the side of working people or big money interests? >> nbc's kristen welker joins us now with more from washington this morning. kristen, donald trump called clinton, quote, one of the all-time great enablers,
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suggesting that perhaps he's about to bring back the monica lewinsky scandal, bring that back up once again. what is the clinton team saying about how they prepare for a guy who has demonstrated time and time again that nothing is off limits? >> reporter: well, look, craig, they say that they're preparing to take on an unpredictable candidate. and one of their calculationis s they're not going to go toe to toe on each one of these personal attacks. you raise the monica lewinsky issue, for example, i think you can expect the campaign to handle it in a similar way that they handled it over the summer when donald trump brought it up, which is that they essentially ignored it, they wouldn't really respond to our questions about it. secretary clinton tried to remain above the fray. at the same time, craig, i think you can expect her surrogates to be quite aggressive at hitting back at donald trump on this issue. i spoke with one today who said, look, we're going to make the case why are you bringing up this issue and blaming secretary clinton for something that her husband did so many years ago.
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so those are the battle lines that are being drawn. donald trump taking a real political risk, a lot of folks here in washington would say, by raising that woman's card issue. the clinton campaign was ready for it. they're making those fund-raising e-mails. i reached out to a clinton campaign official and they're not giving an exact dollar amount about how much they have raised but they say they have raised money off of this so far and they're prepared with a counterattack. and then there are the poll numbers that show that secretary clinton beats donald trump among women voters by more than 20 points. now, some republicans would argue that this is donald trump's way of showing that he's not afraid to take her on head on. but the question is, will it backfire? so far donald trump's attacks haven't really backfired. he's gotten away from them. that's part of how he's winning his party's primary. the question is will this look differently in a general election. >> if donald trump were to pick up a woman as his number two, what then does that do to this
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conversation? what then might that mean for that chasm between him and hillary clinton with regard to poll numbers with him specifically. >> reporter: it's a good question and i think it would close that very large gap to some extent but then i think the calculation on the part of the clinton campaign would be, well, what does that woman stand for in terms of the policies that she supports or those types of things. that, though, is of course a hypothetical. these two candidates still very much mired in their primary races. looks like they're both going to come out on top but we have a few more states to go. >> that's true. kristen welker for us on this friday afternoon. kristen, thank you. still ahead, that big endorsement coming for ted cruz at the top of the hour. we will go live to indiana where, again, mike pence, the conservative governor, is expected to throw his support behind cruz. what that could mean, what that might not mean after this. real is touching a ray.
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we continue to follow the news out of indiana. at the top of the hour, governor mike pence officially announcing his endorsement. sources tell nbc news it will be texas senator ted cruz. pence making that announcement on a local radio station, wibc. kevin raider is a reporter with our nbc affiliate there in indianapolis, wthr. kevin, thanks for coming back to talk about this. four days until the indiana primary, that does not leave a great deal of time for governor pence to crisscross that state and appear with ted cruz. what do we make of the timing of the announcement? >> you know, i don't know. that's a really interesting question. there's probably a lot of different ways you can go on that. i prefer to look at this, maybe frame it a little bit differently. governor pence is at 49% in this state in his own re-election but he needs cruz to shore up. if it's cruz, he's shoring up
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his base, if he wants to expands it's kasich and i was kidding and said if it's over the edge, it's trump. i really think he is trying to solidify his base so cruz gets a lot out of this, i think, with governor pence's endorsement, if that's indeed what happens. but pence gains from this too, craig, and that's a key thing to keep in mind. >> these endorsements over the past -- you look at scott walker in wisconsin. that seems to perhaps have helped. you look at nikki haley down in south carolina with marco rubio, it didn't seem to help him at all. last week pence told reporters, and i want to get this right. i am absolutely committed to the republican nominee for president of the united states. i will be campaigning for our candidate. any reason to think that might change if cruz does not surprise just about everyone and become the nominee? >> no, i think he means what he says when he says that. even if he comes out and endorses cruz today in the next 30 minutes, if cruz is not the
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nominee, he will support the nominee. he has said that time and time again and i truly believe him. if anything, he is a good, solid party man and believes in the republican party. i just think he might, whoever he endorses today is the person that he believes should be the nominee and ultimately president of the united states. but you bring up a really good point about those -- about those endorsements. i'm not so sure those play as well out with the general public as maybe they used to, craig. >> yeah. we talk about them a lot here, but you've got to wonder whether john q. six-pack sitting in southern indiana cares at all who mike pence wants to be president of the united states. ideologically -- go ahead. >> a strong independent streak here. you probably see it in other states that you deal with, but very strong independent streak. people here don't like being told how they should vote and that's a little bit of that kasich-cruz deal that's kind of offended some people. they feel like they shouldn't have to be told. they want to go to the voting booth and make that decision for themselves. so that's a key point.
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>> ideologically not much of a surprise here, right? ted cruz and mike pence are on the conservative spectrum. they're both pretty far to the right. >> yeah, yeah. i would say -- i would say that's no surprise there at all. i think the surprise, like i said, would be kasich and trump. i concur, i agree 100%. >> kevin, i know you're busy. i appreciate you carving out a few minutes for us. >> you're welcome. drama at the nfl draft for one of the top picks. was one of the player's social media accounts hacked, possibly costing him millions? it was an absolutely bizarre scene. we'll explain, next. and with her, a flood of potential patients. a deluge of digital records. x-rays, mris. all on account...of penelope. but with the help of at&t, and a network that scales up and down on-demand, this hospital can be ready. giving them the agility to be flexible & reliable.
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his name is laremy tunsil. a few weeks ago he was poised to become perhaps the number one draft pick in last night's nfl draft. did not happen in part because of some pictures that surfaced on social media as that draft was going down.
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this morning he finds himself mired in a controversy that has already cost him millions and could end up costing him and perhaps the college where he played football even more. nbc's blake mccoy is live in chicago where the draft is taking place. blake, walk us through how all of this went down. i watched it unfold. it was bizarre, to say the least. what do we know? >> it was a stunning chain of events and it started just ten minutes before the draft was supposed to start. laremy tunsil saying his social media accounts were hacked. it began with a video on twitter that was posted that showed tunsil smoking a bong with a gas mask on. that's bad enough. then moments later someone posted on instagram two images of text messages with tunsil and an ole miss coach where tunsil was asking for money from that coach. tunsil later said, yes, he did get money. so we went from the number one or number two draft pick all the way down to number 13 before someone finally scooped tunsil
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up last night. he seemed relieved that anyone wanted him at that point. take a listen. >> when i get into the league, man, play harder. i'll give the miami dolphins all i got, lay it on the line. they say they're excited to have me, man, so i'm happy. i'm excited, man. >> the dolphins are standing by him, saying they knew about the video, it was two years old and they still think he's going to be a great player. they're confident in their background checks. as to who potentially hacked that social media account, he had a domestic assault incident with his stepfather earlier this year and the stepfather just filed civil lawsuit against tunsil this, we so the lawyer says it's clear who's behind this, although we have no confirmation. talk about a stunning fall. change your social media passwords if someone is out to get you certainly, craig. >> blake mccoy for us in chicago. we did not get to talk about the confederate battle flag that appeared to hang above his head
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reporting that investigators are looking into whether a doctor prescribed drugs for him that led to an overdose, and whether a doctor may have been on that plane that made an emergency landing just days before prince died. meanwhile, we're learning that the family sat down for the first time to discuss the estate and it could get complicated. no will, no spouse, and no children. prince's estate, which is estimated to be worth as much as $300 million, will be split among his surviving siblings. they all met for the first time on thursday in minneapolis, including prince's half-brother, alfred jackson, who afterwards spoke with nbc news exclusively. >> how was it to see everybody? >> pretty good. it made me feel a lot better. >> reporter: jackson's lawyer admitted an estate as large and complicated as prince's is not easily divided. >> everything was everywhere. i have a theory that perhaps he intended it this way, so he could in a very unbiased way
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share with all of his siblings. >> is this going to be tough? >> well, not from our end. >> reporter: jackson says it has been years since he's in contact with his brother. he saw paisley park for the first time this week. >> i knew he built it. he built it with his own hands. so i just wanted to see it. >> reporter: as the family negotiates, the sheriff's office in carver county worries the intense public scrutiny could jeopardize the investigation. a judge granted a request to seal a search warrant that police filed the day prince died, but the sheriff's department did release a list of calls for service at paisley park in the last five years. police were requested for suspicious activity, alarms, and fires. twice last year in august and then in september, the reason was listed as medical, with no further details. ♪ purple rain, purple rain >> reporter: so the mystery remains. baffling fans like heidi barker.
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she was lucky enough to catch prince in atlanta for his final performance. >> as he left the stage, the backdrop behind him was a younger photo of himself. and he turned around and he sort of saluted that photo to his younger self. and as he left, he put his fist in the air, and it was very triumphant. >> reporter: we know that just days after prince's death there was a private memorial service held for family and friends. we're now learning that there's going to be a public memorial service held in los angeles at city hall. the lineup isn't set yet, but the mayor says it's going to be quite a party. craig. >> quite the party indeed. stephanie gosk from chanhassen, minnesota, for us. stephanie, thank you. still ahead, what started as a way to make some extra cash in high school 30 years ago, now a thriving franchise. coming up, meet the family behind the successful business in our "born in the usa" series.
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welcome back, i am in washington dc. we take a quick pick of our politics. >> today we feature two movers and shakers who took a simple idea of a beat up pickup truck and turned it into the fastest growing franchises in the country. two men in the truck started in michigan. it was a way for two brothers to make extra money while they were in high school. they got to work. when the brothers went to college, their moms kept their business going. today, that company has 30 locations worldwide and exceeding $260 million of annual salary. joining me is the two of them.
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congrats on your success. >> thank you. >> you are doing a little moving and making a few bucks before you go back to school. now, this is this huge worldwide company as we mentioned. we have pictures of you and your brother back in the day. how were you able to turn this business into something bigger? >> for us, for jon and i, our ghou goals is to go out and make beer and book money for college. rial, our goal is working side by side and wow the customers and we really liked that field. that was our goals was to make sure our customers is taken care of and we were taken care of. it felt to be on our own. we were our own boss and looking out of that truck, it feels good to keep that. >> mary anne, you kept it going.
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you made the significant investment. you bought the first big truck after your boys went away from school and kept things going. did you have a sense of how big this potentially become or was it something you wanted to keep going during the year. i had no idea this would become. i the boys were moving people in the pickup truck and then they did such a good job and it kept getting bigger and bigger and i franchised it and drew the logo. you are so smart to draw your logo but it was me. >> why thank you, right? >> thank you very much. >> so now as you mentioned, you decided to franchise, this is a family run business. which is fantastic in some ways. has it created any challenges for you? >> well, i think always, there
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is always some challenges and imagine working with your mom and brother and sister. we were never greedy, we want to make sure we took care of everybody. we are family held and we are a private business. we don't have an outside board of directors. we have good franchisee who are really good to us. we really want to continue to grow, not jobs but really careers. so, we have been able to hang onto a lot of young talents through the year and work them up not only through our corporate office but franchises as well. we are still very, very family oriented. >> congratulations to you both and nice to have you both with us. brig and marry anne, continue your success.
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