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until tomorrow, not until tomorrow, we're not here until monday. until monday. hardball with chris matthews is next. bullies pope it. let's play hardball. good evening. i'm chris matthews. in washington the 2016 presidential election is chshapg up to be the most contentious in decades. protesters crashed through a barricade reaching the doors of the convention hall where trump was said to speak before the california republican convention. today's demonstration followed clashes outside a trump rally last night where hundreds of
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protesters took to the streets blocking traffic, smashing car windows. 20 people were arrested by police last night. it's more evidence of the deep political divisions of the 2016 race. divisions fueled by candidate who is willing to go where no one has gone before. in talk about getting tough with radical islamist terrorists, he repeated about american john persing at the turn of the 20th century in the aftermath of the spanish-american war. here is how huh put doe put dowd military. >> he was a tough general. he wouldn't do well today because he was too tough. they caught 50 radical islamic terrorists. they caught them. they took the 50. they lined them up. they took a pig and then they took a second pig and they cut
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the pig open and they took the bullets from the rifles and they dumped the bullets into the pigs and they swished it around and took the bullets and shot 49 of the 50 people. the 50th person, they said take this bullet and bring it back to all of the people causing the problem and tell them what happened tonight. he took the bullet. he brought it back, that 50th person, and for 42 years, they didn't have a problem with radical islamic terrorism, folks. >> the website rated trump's version of that story false. false. when he first told it back in february but it again shows that while most candidates tread softly, donald trump marches in
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combat boots. trump is now trying to deny hillary clinton any credit for becoming this country's first woman president. trump, who on tuesday night, said clinton has achieved her victories because of her gender alone attacked the form secretary of state for playing the woman card last night. here's trump on fok. >> it's fact. she's playing the woman card. it's the only thing he's got going. she's playing it as much as she can. >> i've been watching it. every tame you raise your voice it's like look what he's saying and look at the way he talks. give me break. she raises her voice much more than i raise mine. believe he. >> donald trump last night called secretary clinton an enabler of her husband's infidelity and tweeting crooked hillary clinton. perhaps the most dishonest person to have ever run for the presidency is one of the all time greats.
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enabler enablers. john, what do you make of this. i think trump has a notion of what he's doing. what do you think it is? >> he does but here is where i think the fall has come. you have to win the states. he's doing well at that. the problem is he has to start expanding the base if he's going to beat hillary. i want to get on board. every time this happens all the press goes to them and say do you agree with this. they've got to distance themselves. it doesn't help them politically but you got to give them credit. i don't think he sits there and says this s this the politically correct thing to do. >> hesitate targeting hillary clinton now and doing all the things that most democrats are careful not to do.
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you have an alcoholic spouse and let them keep drinking he's making that charge openly against hillary without any real evidence. he's just doing it. >> right. it's an interesting question. are voters going to blame hillary clinton for her husband's transgressions. >> for being cheated on? >> exactly. does that make her unqualified to be president. trump has a couple different strategies with this. he wants to rattle hillary clinton and he wants to remind kind of some of that ugly chapters of the clinton administration and remind folks that when bill clinton was president it was complicated. they're teasing more material. they got more dirt. let's watch. >> if they want to go after
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dom donald trump then he will bring up that topic. it's a lot to discuss that was not brought out into the public. >> i'm not sure what she's talking about. >> it's diversion. it's stirring up these unfounded allegations. what's happening here is he's trying to close the deal. he needs to win in indiana. it gets him to victory because look where he was. he's in indiana. bullets dripped in pig's blood. he knows the media will raise a fire storm. >> like he says america's first. i think he knows enough of history to know what that means. it means he was an appeaser. >> you're right when you say he knows what he's doing.
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that trump stumbles into gaffes. knees the buttons he's pressing. >> he said beating hillary clinton would be easier than beating opponents in the primary. >> when i can focus on hillary, crooked hillary, she'll go down easier than any of the people we just beat. >> we got little marco, lying ted and crooked hillary. he doesn't even have to point to case of her being crooked. he just says it. he just dictates the connection. you can free associate that with i guess with e-mails. i wouldn't call that crooked. misjudgment or something. i wouldn't call it crooked. he's going back to white water. what is he talking about? that is nothing.
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where's the crooked part? she took the speech money. does that make her crooked? the beauty is just start saying it. just start saying it. i noticed that peggy noonan said she's a criminal. >> you just said it. you repeated it. >> i recited it. >> this is the whole paradox of donald trump. everything he does i says that makes no sense and he went up in the polls. he won every county in my state. there's a lot of closet trump voters. >> i agree with that. >> number two -- >> explain why there would be so many wouldn't tell a well spoken, perfect english caller would you be for donald trump.
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>> there's people that are with him that won't say it. >> it's the classic example would your friends do this. would your neighbors do this. i think there's a lot more supporters. somebody said to me once, great analogy, the trump voter is like the guy who gets drunk on a friday and swears he's going to go in on a monday and tell off his boss and doesn't do it. i think a will the of those guys are telling off the boss now. >> let me ask the only woman here. let me ask you about the woman thing. there's old marcus of queensbury rule. don't go confront, go into somebody's space especially if they're a woman.
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trump seems to break every rule. he walks into the china shop and smashes it up. >> right. so far that's worked for him. >> i always say i hate conflation. the right wing is good at conflating. saying that hillary clinton is running on her card. first of all, she didn't get to be a graduate of yale law for being a woman. she didn't go to wells -- well, that's a woman's school. back in '91 they were running as political equals. the idea that she became prominent because she's a woman, that's not true. lately she has been saying
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pushing the woman thing. this is chance -- is one shot unfair in the way it's being tugged. he's saying she wouldn't be here if she wasn't a woman. >> i think it's worth remembering when bernie sanders suggested that hillary clinton was unqualified, that didn't go well. people pushed back abdomen said she's clearly qualified. sg if you look at her resume from a gerund neutral perspective, she's qualified. you can question whether she's done a good job or has the best ideas. she has necessary experience to run for this. >> i think her star quality owed something to bill. bill was a movie star politically. >> the strategy seems so
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shortsighted. good look winning the election. it's not clear that the republican given the demographics, the republican nominee would win in 2016. mitt romney lost by five million votes and still won white women. sgr can bei s sgr. >> can being a bully work? >> people doesn't understand the success of donald trump is not donald trump. it's his supporters. i think the reason that's so important is he gets to play by different rules.
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>> they're saying he has a big megaphone and it's got to be better than what we have today. >> you're not going to tell me how to vote. that's important. >> we laugh at that because we think it's a bafoonery. this is knew. there are no experts. thank you. great to have you back. coming up, there are poll numbers and projections that make democrats optimistic about the general election match up with donald trump as we have been hearing here. they show hillary clinton with real shot to win picking upstate democrats didn't win in 12. for his part trump is hoping to put bl states in play.
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who's got the edge heading into the general election. you can't tell the winning candidate from the loser. that's because the losers don't make concession speeches anymore. they make victory speeches when they get beat. answer the question, why do the losers sound like they are winning. i owe this question. we have actors neve campbell and michael kelly of house of cards. all three will play hardball. coming up on tuesday, msnbc will have live coverage of the inn en primary. i'll join brian williams and rachel maddow for results. get ready for this. stay up late. have a coffee. join me for a special edition of hardball. this is hardball, the place for politics. use i need to keep organized. school, grocery shopping. my face can unlock this computer. that's crazy. macbooks are not able to do that.
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the republican party in a presidential sense doesn't win anymore. you pick your standard cookie cutters. i can tell you already, just give me the name of the person and i'll tell you exactly what state he's going to win and what states he's going to lose. i'm different because i'm going to win states that nobody else can. >> welcome back to hardball. with the prospect of a clinton versus trump general election match up for the fall, some numbers show hillary clinton with chance to score big in the electoral college. the latest poll of a clinton trump contest shows the former secretary of state with an 11-point lead. if the election were held today, clinton would win 347 electoral votes. you only need 270 to trump's
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191. secretary clinton would win the states president obama won in 2012 plus the state of north carolina. a poll out of red state of arizona also shows clinton with a seven-point lead over trump. usa today's heidi broke the news that clinton plans to start shifting her staff. the she's hoping for a big victory that looks beyond the open 2012 map. i'm joined by the aformation heidi and governor dean of vermont. tths g it's getting close. how good can we project six months of donald trump smashing
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hillary clinton personally. really vicious campaigning. >> as you know, we can't say what it will look like in four or five months but we can say what it looks like right now. we have the polling data and unless something really seismic happen, what you do and what is fair to do is take that '08 map and overlay it and assume given the forces that we know are in effect like trump's effect on suburban women who may come over and vote for hillary -- >> hispanics. >> the black turn out. >> i know exactly what you're thinking about is the real october surprise will be president obama campaigning like he's never campaigned before for hillary clinton.
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>> i think trump is looking at him to shake up the map. hillary clinton has north carolina, arizona. she's got colorado. she could build a bigger map. your thoughts. >> this is really complicated stuff. i think heidi is right. i think there will be a much bigg bigger african-american turn out for a lot of reasons. there's a lot of people who respond negatively to bullying. they are minority groups because they have been bullied plenty and we're not just talking about african-americans. we're talking about hispanics and asian american who is used to vote republican but don't anymore. there's never been a president elected on the republican side with less than 35% of the hispanic vote. trump is at 19. i think the closer this get, as long as hillary stands up and is little margaret thatcher like, i think she'll do just fine and we
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could have a land slide. >> what do you see as a debate. trump is not stupid enough and call her an enabler to her face. >> i'll bet you he does. he won't be able to stop himself. >> what does she do? give me example of her defense. there you go mr. trump. >> you go there you go, mr. trump. i believe in x, y, z and foreign policy and whatever she wants to talk about. mr. trump, you put several companies into bankruptcy. we're not going to let you do that to the united states of america. >> that's an aggressive shot. it's not defensive. let's talk about different kinds. women in different situations.
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independent women. single women are sensitive when some bully kocomes around and s you can't have abortion rights. >> married women are more conservative, traditional. once he gets tough, where do they stand? >> i've talked to married republican women who will not vote for donald trump. they're on the record saying that. i guess you have to make the assumption since they make up laer portion of the electorate than men do, they will change their minds. you look at the polling that shows they don't just have a unfavorable opinion of donald trump. you know they have a very unfavorable view of him which is a whole new level of persuasion it would take to persuade them to vote for him. i think it's very high bar to move those female numbers. >> i'm in the a woman but i try
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to observe how people behave. people don't mind being used, they mind being discarded. that's about life too and relationships. no one likes to be dumped. the idea is not that he makes fun, not just makes fun, he seems to dismiss them. he talks about women in terms of looks only. like i'm not interested in their minds, thoughts, souls. i want to see them on a runway. they have attacked women on their looks. i wonder whether that is stupid, politically. just a thought. >> i think it is pretty stupid. there's two things that are interesting. this isn't over yet. cruz has mike pence's endorsement in indiana. bobby knight is a much better endorsement. >> for the guy, i think so.
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>> right. you'll get a kick out of this. the collared counties of philadelphia, that's where all these elections are won and lost. i knew obama was going to beat the daylights of mccain in the collared counties of pennsylvania. those are the classic republican married women who are mostly pro-choice who swing on exactly the kinds of things you and heidi are talking about. >> it's not just women. you guys can weigh in on this. it's the reagan democrats. i think this is overhyped. that's why they are called reagan democrats because they switched a long time ago.
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>> the guys they're talking about, they are not voted democrat for years and years. >> they're rooting for aeam that will lose most of the time. they've got that attitude. >> trump's got that. >> thank you. have a nice weekend. >> it's good to do everything right. up next, the art of losing. why this year's concession speeches have sounded a lot more like winning. can you tell the difference? why can't anyone lose gracefully anymore? this is hardball, the place for politics. one coat, yes! ♪ there is a day, for every number. ♪ ♪ there is a time, for all my slumbers. ♪ ♪ and i can see, that i can't run and hide. ♪
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route into the building. he acknowledged tensions boiling over outside the venue in his remarks. >> that was not the easiest entrance i've ever made. my wife called and said there's helicopters following you and we went under a fence and threw a fence. felt like i was crossing the boarder, actually. >> trump left the hotel with security detail shortly after his speech ended. the demonstrators remained on the scene long after the candidate left the venue. police in riot gear moved in to disperse the crowd. back to hardball. welcome back to hardball. why can't anyone lose gracefully anymore. with more than 20 candidates at the out set, and most state contests completed now. we have heard quite a few concession speeches but often
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the losers sound a lot like they just won. let's take a look. >> this is the moment they said would never happen. for months they told us we had no chance. tonight i thank you here in iowa. i thank you because we have taken the first step, but an important step towards winning this election. the votes are still being counted. the exact results are unknown. >> right now it appears that he with are effectively tied for third in state of new hampshire. that was the result that all of us were told was impossible. together, we have done what the pundits and the media have said what could not be done. >> the wind is at our backs. we have the momentum, i believe,
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that when democrats assembled in philadelphia, in july at that convention we're going to see the results of one of the great political upsets in the history of the united states. >> all was unbelievable. started with his third place finish in iowa. ted cruz came in behind trump and kasich in new hampshire. often the losers don't concede. they get angry. all too often contests don't yield accepted conclusions and a grudging acquiesence by those that don't get their way. a determination to neuter the victor, nullify the results or reverse them as soon as possible. it hasn't always been this way.
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it does start with this ridiculous inability to stay bad night. >> i think it starts we have to blame america in general for the culture. >> we're all guilty. >> everybody get ast trophy. as usual, the media are to blame. it's not whether you win or lose, it's whether you beat expectations or not. we set these expectations. in way rubio and cruz are right to say this couldn't be done. i couldn't have tied for third place. >> sabrina, i grew up in politics as a kid watching wonderful concession speeches. wonderful lines like ed brook of
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massachusetts saying i didn't cry in the mountain, i will not cry in the valley. tend of the night. you know it's over when the guy conceded. >> i think he has a point when it comes to the modern kind of 24/7 environment. many where the media played along in the early states. on the republican side, there's been this deep rooted denial from the out set that donald trump will be the nominee. >> it's still there. >> there's no way that republican voters will choose donald trump to represent our party. we have to remain relevant and seem like we have chance to defeat him. >> a bit of this is theater review. that's okay. serious business here. one thing we noticed, those of us who read the paper in developing countries, there's pattern. if you lose a election, it was
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stolen, rigged. if you win, you arrest the guy you beat. trump says i'm going to arrest hillary if i win. i'm going to put her in jail. every time they lose, irregularities. nobody says i lost fairly. >> i'm not sure it's that nefarious or that new. john mccain gave a great concession speech. remember al gore saying it's time for me to go. we don't get finality in the primary. >> that was one of the good ones. i don't know who helped him with it. that was a wonderful way to end. i'm not sure the other side would have been as ugly. >> you also have to think about fact that the entire premise of
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donald trump's message is the political system is rigged against the american people. the establishment is trying to cherry pick him. >> i do like the idea of civilization. i think it works. thank you. still ahead, we have a special round table tonight. here ahead of this weekend's white house kcorrespondence dinner. this will be fun. the show house of cards is something else. you're watching hardball, the place for politics. kellogg's frosted mini-wheats® feed your inner kidult >>psst. hey... where you going? we've got that thing! you know...diarrhea?
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put this birth certificate matter to rest than the donald. that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter like did we fake the moon landing. >> welcome back to hardball. it got worse there. that was president obama getting the better of donald trump in 2011. it's that time of year when hollywood royalty crosses from the other at the white house correspondence dinner. a journalist brought oliver north's secretary to that event. what was unusual back then is what's going to become an annual event is when actors mingle with the washington elite. think about the tv show on hbo
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veep, just hilarious and scandal an house of cards. our weekend hardball round table is here to talk about the cult intersection between tinsel town and washington. now, i got to talk to you guys about this hollywood thing. you're part of this. you grew up here. guying saying you can't sell a movie that's about politics. you have to say it's a romance set this washington or it's a thriller. >> inherent drama.
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it's nour haan hour and a half . >> what did you bring to hollywood when you came out here. we shared the same starbucks so i know it well. >> growing up in d.c., it's not the people that are working in d.c. are not the people who are going to this dinner. the people making the wheels spin. i think there's interest but i don't know intense that interest is. i think the hollywood piece is how do we take the really interesting and dramatic world that is washington, d.c. and turn it into even better drama. >> i don't know. when i bring people here i take them on my midnight tour. that's the only thing i can give people besides money. i take them on my crazy tour. that's my idea of showing
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hollywood. >> it's fascinating. this is my third time in washington and each time has only been 24 hours. today i was up on the hill with the creative coalition. >> with robin. >> what was your priitch? >> trying to make some money for the arts. >> why do we have to be this special interest group that advocates and get our kids ready for the work force and neve and about 20 other leaders from hollywood were with us. we went door to door in congress. we have been walking around 8:00 a.m. >> did you meet any interesting people? >> you had all senators. >> i wasn't on the team that had the senators. i was supposed to be. i was on the orange team and none of the senators showed up.
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>> here is a sample of neve's work. it's a very dark story. let's watch. >> he's a stranger to us. >> he's the top data scientist in the country, maybe the world. he was exploring behavior adoption -- >> stop. we are talking domestic surveillance. the only theory i'm interested in is risk versus votes. >> and he gets us the votes. >> so, he's trying to pass a gun safety bill and he wants to identify voters like leads that would tell who to make a phone call to. >> absolutely. >> she finds ways to manipulate things to make things happen for the people she's working with.
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>> you look pretty good many the movie. you come out as a gun for hire but you don't seem bad. >> we'll see. >> we'll see. >> it starts with an affair. i kept thinking about this is the best argument against having an affair. >> ever. >> it's so complicated an gets so bad. everything in his life is going away. she he seems to have really nice wife. let's go. >> have you ever been left before? have you ever been dumped? >> no. >> i have. many times. i can tell you from personal experience that people leave for lots of different reasons. >> wow, philosophy. >> deep. politics of friendship. you don't see that a lot between two guys. >> you're messing with his -- >> sleeping with his wife.
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not great. >> it's a smoky story. >> very. >> good luck with the cause. >> thank you. >> we really believe it's good to back our arts. the round table is staying with us. up next, these three will tell me something i don't know. this is the first time we have tried it with civilians. this is hardball, the place for politics. constipated? trust number one doctor recommended dulcolax use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief suppositories for relief in minutes
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she's clean. >> i refuse to believe that. >> doug, if our campaign manager bites the dust, that hurts us. >> i gave you a task. >> i'll keep at it. >> scary stuff. we're back in his role as doug stamper on "house of cards." michael kelly plays a political
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operative whose tactics often run afoul of the law. through four seasons we've seen how his loyalty to the president knows no bounds. i have to -- do you have to explain to people that you are not that guy when you walk down the street? >> certainly in d.c., no. it is pretty crazy. never -- i don't think i've ever taken more selfies here in d.c. >> do you ever read the script and think how bad am i going to get? you're killing people one after another. always done with great deliberation. you decide this person must be eliminated. >> he's just got to do his job. >> i've always liked loyalty in politics to a point. you carry it beyond that to a point. but i like the idea you serve the boss, get him elected and unless he's actually doing something criminal, you cover for him.
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>> obviously we do take it to a criminal level. but i understand my character. it makes sense to me. >> what do you think makes him so dog-like loyal? >> i think it is a lot of things. addiction. a lot of it is addiction with him. rage, alcohol, the job addiction. he wants to be the best he can be at the job. >> he wants the approval and admiration of the boss. >> of course. some of the loyalty is a byproduct of him being so focused on what he does. but yeah, he definitely wants the approval of the boss. >> you're up in baltimore doing this incredible series. another year is coming up. it just keeps going. do people come up to you say and i just watched three episodes last night? rob reiner said the first series, first year he watched the whole thing on a rainy weekend. >> i am amazed sometimes. as soon as the season comes out someone's tweeting 13 hours later -- "done." i can watch two episodes or something. >> last night kathleen and i
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were watching it. i had fallen asleep during a little part. i sa she looks back, goes want to watch another one? i said i'm exhausted! i got to get up early. let me ask you, is this going to encourage young women and men to run for office if they see frank's lust for power? >> i hope it encourages people to get informed and learn more about politics. that's certainly a nice byproduct of our show. but at its core the show is about power. >> about the husband and wife who don't have a real loving relationship but when they go to the window and share a cigarette, like the old 1930s mov movie, to sort of represent their love making. to celebrate their conniving. >> it's simulated.
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>> no doubt when you watch you think it's him! that's "hardball" for now. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> that was not the easiest entrance i've ever made. >> another trump spectacle in california. >> oh, boy, felt like i was crossing the border. >> as the general election fight escalates. >> i've had a lot of experience dealing with men who sometimes get off the reservation in the way they behave and how they speak. >> tonight, why donald trump is calling hillary clinton an enabler and why his defense of a convicted rapist is coming back to haunt him. >> frankly, i think mike tyson's been railroaded. >> plus my interview with the writer getting death threats for writing about melania trump. and my exclusive interview with "the


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