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people to turn up at the polls. and the primary results are probably worrying the democratic party for that reason. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again on monday. now msnbc's continuing political coverage is up next. good morning, everyone, i'm alex witt here at msnbc world headquarters here in new york. there are two big political story lines playing out in weekend, one in the nation's heartland the other out west -- >> that was not the easiest entrance i've ever made. >> freeway stop, donald trump and his motorcade are forced to take an unusual route to avoid protesters as republicans gather in california. both ted cruz and carly fiorina are expected there. what could be the gop's final chance to stop trump, the hoosier state in indiana.
pivoting to a general election, hillary clinton's campaign the past 24 hours making moves which suggest she's looking ahead to the general election. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. let's get right to presidential politics with three days until the indiana primaries, republicans are instead focussing their efforts on california today. ted cruz will be the last to speak at the convention. john kasich will campaign in san jose. their events in california come less than 24 hours after hundreds of protesters surrounded that convention hotel ahead of donald trump's speech. at one point, protesters knocked down the barricades and they tried to get inside that hotel. they reportedly threw eggs and rocks at riot police. and it all forced trump's motorcade to pull over on the
shoulder of the freeway. as you see there, he had to walk under a fence in order to enter that hotel safely. while trump joked about his unorthodox entrance by comparing it to crossing the u.s./mexico border, john kasich essentially blamed him for the protests. >> when you live on the negative side, when you feed people's anger, did you see what happened here today? i heard about it. people chaining themselves to a fence, trying to prevent somebody from -- you see what's happening? okay. well, i may not be winning those votes right now, but over time i believe that people like to live with they can be hopeful, where they believe that this country can be better, where they believe that at the end they need to have somebody that's had the experience and somebody that can unit the country. once trump hit the stage, he renewed his attacks against the party. >> it's a rigged system. it's a rigged system.
okay? it's a horrible, horrible, disgusting system. the republican party in a presidential sense doesn't win any more. you pick your standard cookie cutters. i can tell you already just give me the name of the person and i'll tell you exactly what states he's going to win and what states he's going to lose. i'm different because i'm going to win states that nobody else can. on the democrat side, hillary clinton is off the campaign trail, although former president bill clinton has three campaign events in indiana. bernie sanders is also taking a break as he prepares to attend the white house correspondent's dinner tonight. for more, let's bring in jane tim and jonathan allen head of community and content and columnist at role call. jane, i'll begin with you, ted cruz and donald trump said this week indiana's primary on tuesday is do or die. if cruz does not win there, is it over?
>> you know the media doesn't always agree with ted cruz's view of his own campaign, but when he says that he loses the ininn primary he is going off a cliff, i think we kind of see the point. he needs to win. he needs to get some momentum back. he's been swept in six states. i mean, he lost every county in pennsylvania, a state he competed in heavily and thoughts he could do pretty well in. he needs to get some momentum back and i think beating a front-runner is not easy and it's not cheap. he needs to get some money and some donors and allies that work with him on the super pac side and the people who are funding his campaign, they need to see a win. >> uh-huh. with so many numbers out with polls today, jane, i want to look at one which is a local indiana poll has ted cruz 60 points. what do you make of that? is trump really as sure of a win there as he says she? >> it's a very tight raise. his kritdices say he is not a create closer. unless he goes in with a really
strong lead, they think they have a window to get and fight him there and have ted cruz maybe do better, but i think it's a really close race. we see the world's most frugal billionaire spending $1 million on this primary. he is worried and he wants to close it and get throughout and win. >> jonathan, talk about the stop trump movement. is it losing steam? just a few remaining primaries, what can this movement really do to keep him from the nomination? >> yes, it is losing steam. i think last tuesday's primaries took the wind out of the sails of the stop trump movement. i think you're seeing a lot of resignation among republicans that didn't want to see trump as the nominee. there are still some people that will fight it. you know, i think they can do their best to try to get some delegates for cruz and get some delegates for john kasich, particularly in california, but it's snot entirely over but it's getting pretty close. >> this alliance between the two men, i mean, where does that
stand, jonathan? cruz and kasich? >> i think that broke apart like a hollywood marriage, in a couple of minutes. i think these guys did something desperate a hail mary, if you l and appeared to backfire. their supporters on both sides rejected this idea that it was a good idea to go vote for the other one in particular primaries. >> okay. all right, guys. we will talk with you again soon. thank you so much. indiana could be ted cruz's final chance to slow down donald trump and push for a contested convention, go to nbc's ron mott in indianapolis. good morning to you, ron. voters know this is a make or break for cruz and trump. they're aware of that, right? >> yeah, absolutely. good morning, alex. it's been a long time since indiana played as much a pivotal roll. the voters are headed to the stage tuesday with a whole lot on the line. >> i'm honored to be with -- >> reporter: ted cruz stumped
friday in indiana trying to stop donald trump at the polls here come tuesday, protesters in california tried stopping the bill nar in his tracks, forcing him to take a winded detour a gop convention near san francisco, clashing with police the most violence opposition to a trump appearance since a cancelled event in chicago last month. >> that was not the easiest entrance i've ever made. my wife called. she said there are helicopters following you and we did -- then we went under a fence and through a fence. oh, boy, felt like i was crossing the border actually. you know? it's true. i was crossing the border, but i got here. >> reporter: cruz and newly-named running mate appeared together in the hoosier state before hitting the air waives on fox news. >> i am proud to stand next to this man the man i believe must be our nominee, a great leader and fight for the soul of our party and the future of your nation. >> reporter: the stop trump movement could grind to a halt
if he nabs the winner take all primary and some establishment republicans like indiana governor mike pence seem resigned to a nominee trump. >> i particularly want to commend donald trump. i'm not against anybody, but i will be voting for ted cruz. >> reporter: at the keystone rv assembly camp in indiana, jobs are surged since the great recession, doubling to around 4,000 and purchasing manager nick frances is confident a trump presidency could keep that momentum going. >> i like how he is not afraid to stand up for what's right. i like his policy on illegal immigration and feel like he is a good businessman so i feel like he would do us some good. >> reporter: now both donald trump and ted cruz have scheduled events here in indiana between today and election day on tuesday. in fact, ted cruz is heading out to california today but going to zip right back here for events tomorrow as well as monday. they've got a lot on the line here. this could be the last stand, as we said, for the stop trump movement, alex. >> ron mott, thank you so much
for indianapolis. i said you would be back very soon and i meant it, jane and jonathan back with you guys. jane, let's talk about carly fiori fiorina, what does she do for cruz's chances? >> i covered her own presidential bid. she is good at what she's trying to do. she never had a natural base and struggled to get people who liked her to vote for her. that's where she has skill as a surrogate. can go out and convince people this is a good idea. make a very compelling argument and a great debater as we saw. i think what people forget is she ran in california in 2010 and she won a very competitive primary out there. she knows what it's like to compete in california. we say indiana is the last shot, california is the last, last, last shot. >> yeah. what about the timing, naming a vp selection so early? does that hurt him at all particularly for those who say, wait maine, you're not even the nominee? >> i think it's unusual. it shakes things up. hey, let's try something new. it hasn't been working so far, let's throw something else against the wall, see what
sticks. people knew carly fiorina. she wasn't out of nowhere. pretty quick to remember who she is and get to know her. okay, this is the team we're looking at. >> okay. jonathan, talk about a vp pick for donald trump. what does he need in that choice? is there anyone who is looking like a good candidate? >> i think the most important thing for donald trump is to pick somebody who reassures the republican establishment that he is going to work with the party and also at the same time reassures the general public that he has good judgment. this is going to be the most important thing for him if he's the nominee coming out of the republican convention who is on that ticket with him and does it send the message that donald trump is serious about governing or is he picking someone who unsettles the american public. >> what about the political insiders and in fact the polls right now where they stand, jonathan, that say hillary clinton would easily beat donald trump in the general election. is there any wishful thinking in
that? should the insiders, the pollsters and all, as they take the pulse of the nation here, maybe even clinton herself, should they be more concerned about a november challenge from donald trump? >> anybody who wins a major party nomination is a threat to win the presidency. and we are way too early to draw conclusions about what's going to happen in november. there's a lot of time between now and then. you see the candidates matched up against each other. you start to see what policies they have and what kind of ads they run against each other. it's too early for that. i understand why the democrats feel like they have a big advantage over trump and why the polls look like that right now and why they'll hold. i don't think anybody on the democratic side would be smart to take donald trump as anything but very serious. >> jane, same question to you. what do you think? >> you know, i think donald trump is incredibly unpredictable. ted cruz is a classic conservative, very far to the right. hillary clinton knows how to run a campaign against a
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principles of what would be his foreign policy. >> it's time to shake the rust off america's foreign policy. it's time to invite new voices and new visions into the fold. my foreign policy will always put the interests of the american people and american security above all else. america first will be the major and overriding theme of my administration. >> well, let's bring in steve clemens, msnbc contributor. steve, always great to see you, my friend. >> great to see you. >> america first, is that a policy or a campaign phrase? >> i think with donald trump it's very much a policy. i think he is trying to reach out to americans and tell them that the reason that they feel left behind, that they feel like their lives aren't working out is because other nations are ripping off the united states. that in these international organizations that where we've been delivering security to the rest of the world, they've been
free riding. and so there is a coherent world view and coherent policy. it's just something that scares a lot of people who believe in global engagement. so it would be a mistake just to look at this as words and not something that's more coherent. >> in his speech specifically, trump outlines what he believes are the five main weaknesses in our foreign policy. let's take a listen to what he said. >> first, our resources are totally overextended. secondly, our allies are not paying their fair share. thirdly, our friends are beginning to think they can't depend on us. fourth, our rivals no longer respect us. finally, america no longer has a clear understanding of our foreign policy goals. >> all right. you touched on that second one, but all of them in total, are those valid criticisms? >> almost everything donald trump outlines in that speech started with the invasion of iraq and the sense that america
got both economically and militarily overextended, that allies began to think they couldn't count on the united states in time of need. he didn't mention george w. bush. he laid this all at the feet of barak obama. yes, many of the things that he laid out resonate with people because that's been the sense of what happened after the invasion of iraq, that america just didn't have the capacity it used to and became a smaller nation. >> yet to pile on what happened in libya as well on top of that. >> right. he added libya. he took syria, the red line in syria, iraq and egypt. he started with iraq. but there's a sense that the middle east in particular has become a never ending black hole of problems that just draws in u.s. power. guess who else said that recently in an article in the atlantic, which is pretty much president obama. so while he's critical of president obama, president obama is saying this is something that has triggered too many things and america needs to be careful becoming too engaged in things that sap its power and don't
give people jobs and opportunity. he's giving a more strident version in some ways that the obama doctrine. >> he pledged a surgical defeat and objected the concept of nation building in the middle east. does he give any indications of how he will achieve his goals? >> while he is talking about withdrawing from international institutions and really bringing america back and putting america and americans at the center of everything, it's very hard to take on the kind of conflict he's talking about and have allies feel like you're with them and you're going to jointly take on and pound isis into oblivi oblivion. he is asserting that we'll have all the money and resources we need to double and increase the size of the military, go on and take on challenges like isis and that allies will naturally fall into line and simultaneously in the same sentence saying america first, america first, america first. you know, i think it's -- the
equation doesn't add up in terms of technical terms. so it's not something you're going to look for clear policy prescriptions of how he is going to take on isis, other than the fact that he says he will. >> before i get to something and how conservatives are interpreting all this, do you have a sense of how donald trump's speech was taken in around the world? >> i think donald trump's speech scared leaders around the world in that i hear from many people who are engaged in strategic issues with nato, within asia, they look at him and he actually emphasizing in the speech that he was not going to be predictable. well, he is certainly achieving that because they're seeing a country that will look very unpredictable if their eyes under a donald trump leadership where they don't know when he talks about friends and enemies, i was in that speech, i was there. he talked about friends and enemies a lot and kept saying our friends, we're going to have to pay more to be our friends. and it's a very, very -- it's a
speech with quick sand. a lot of allies won't know where they are in the united states and the predictability of the relationships that we had over a long period of time are in jeopardy in their mind. >> so then, does he directly contradict himself with point three he's trying to make, that our friends don't think they can depend on us? >> no. i think that that is true. you have certain countries out there whose behavior has changed. take saudi arabia, japan, israel and germany. and every one of these countries that's been tied to foreign policy over the past century, their behaviors have changed because they see what america may do or may not do and certain contingencies happening. that sa fact. what's scary on top of that in places like japan, we're not going to go defend them against north korea or if china and north korea and japan get messy, maybe japan should take on nuclear weapons.
in the middle east, saudi arabia should do more or in nato we should withdraw from nato or rebalance so your nato allies have to pay a lot more than they are today. all of these things are significant structural tech tonic shifts that threaten the basic alliance structures that the united states has had with other nations in the world. when you talk just casually about japan rearming with nuclear weapons or getting nuclear weapons or south korea, that is so counter to everything united states and other countries have been trying to do to prevent proliferation around the world. that's the kind of thing that is making other foreign leaders very, very fragile at the moment and not sure where the united states is going. and every time i go abroad, they're saying what's going on in your country? >> yeah. okay. how this went down with conservatives, not so well with some, certainly andrew mccarthy in the national review wroe his stlu the trump administration
would impose coherence is about as credible as this vow to make mexico pay for its fantasy wall. quite a part from the fact that trump was enthusiastic supporting the very policies he now bemoans. so, do you get a sense of wide-spread acceptance or not of mr. trump's policies? >> look, particularly within the republican party but throughout the nation in both parties, there's a debate under way about what american engagement in the world should look like. there are a lot of people who feel american engagement in providing security to the rest of the world hasn't led to the quid pro quo of american workers and jobs and employment like it used to. and whether or not you can nitpick donald trump's speech, which i think you can, those people that are critical of it are missing the bigger point. that this is a very jack sewn yan speech. it's a speech that's hyperrealist. the strategic class in washington has forgotten average americans.
that speech resonates with those americans. it is a coherent, i think important speech, a very important speech, a remarkable speech in the sense that we haven't had a candidate of his stature running and putting a punctuation point on america moving in a very different direction than it has really had not done since world war ii. and i think that there are many americans who feel -- they will say i don't agree with this speech, but i think it would be wrng to think the internal consistencies are something to note here. what is a very coherent world view of beginning of an american movement to a kind of isolationism. america first is basically withdrawing from malaysian ships, isolating itself more and more from the rest of the world's problems. >> steve clemens, thanks so much. >> thank you, alex. hail, rain and tornados are assaulting the south and the storms are not done yet. what to expect as more severe
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violent winds -- heavy rain -- >> tornado on the ground. >> reporter: tornados and hail across the midwest and plains. 25 million in the potential strike zone, including the family that lived in this southwest oklahoma home. >> we had no idea. like i said, we were inside the storm shelter there at the school. never would have thought that not have a house to come home to. >> reporter: everything in sight cat scattered for miles. some of the worse damage in oklahoma where a large tornado tore through a barn, downing trees and power lines. this funnel caught on camera in texas where residents were told to take shelter. >> that is crazy! >> reporter: in lindell, texas, storm waters washed away this road. hail battered parts of north texas. golf-ball sized ice pelt storm chasers from dallas nbc affiliate ksax. thunderstorms friday night delayed flights for hours at
dallas forth worth international airport. damage stretches across several states and hundreds of miles. flood waters are already rising across the south, including gulfport, mississippi, under water. with potential for more weather this weekend. >> the main concern seems to be more hail and flooding rains. that's what they're watching for the dallas area. just a wait and see right now. but forecasters warn there could be more severe weather throughout the day. >> it's already 6:30 where you are and doesn't seem to be a peek of sunshine and there should be sunrise and much brighter. okay. thank you, jay gray. >> reporter: we have a pretty thick cloud cover here, alex. it's going to stay for most of the day. >> thank you so much, jay. who has the momentum in indiana? ted cruz or donald trump? we'll talk about that with reporter from that state. plus what the latest polls are showing. >> cruz just stands for the right uff. that's why i like cruz. he has the right message.
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i'm told he'll be attending with his communications director and of course his wife and senior adviser jane sanders. now, i'll actually be at the red carpet later tonight so i'll bring a report to you, all of the sanders's reaction to the festive evening tonight. senator sanders took a down day today. he has been off the campaign trail today, his head and mind is dead set on indiana's democratic primary coming up this tuesday. actually we have some new polling that's come out that shows secretary clinton still has a bit of a double digit hovering around that mark lead over senator sanders, but the sanders campaign tells me the polling is actually a lot closer than perhaps that public polling suggests. tomorrow senator sanders will be back on the campaign trail, having a rally in south bend, ininn. one thing to look out for is to see if he continues what he started this week in oregon, criticizing the democratic party, in fact, outlining some of the policy priorities that senator sanders hopes the democratic party implements and focuses on. so we'll be back on the campaign
trail tomorrow and we'll be looking out for that, alex. >> yeah. but danny, with staff layoffs this week, i'm curious about the sense of the mood from the insiders on what their mission is now. do you think they still hold that hope that sanders will somehow pull this out at the convention or has it pivoted somewhat to being more of a message, a movement? >> reporter: you know, that's an interesting question, alex. there are a lot of people perhaps in the campaign and amongst supporters wrestling with that very question. inside the campaign with their senior advisers there is still a hope and a look ahead to california and bigger states where they feel they can still make the case later on down the road at the convention to superdelegates to say, hey, maybe you should come back to our side. i think we should not underestimate what we saw in oregon the other day when senator sanders was talking about policies he wants to see the democratic party push forward. that's where his mindset is. it's interesting in some of the introducers that we've seen over the past couple of days at sanders' events, they've been
mentioning this is what we want to do when we get to the democratic national convention. we want to push an aggressive agenda. whether or not that's where the campaign is sitting right now, on the trail before senator sanders takes the stage, a lot of those people are using that rhetoric instead of focussing solely on the nomination. >> okay, danny freeman, thank you so much for d.c. and while senator sanders will be in indiana tomorrow and monday, it is the gop bat tll which is drawing the most attention. so let's bring in kevin raider from wthr. and with the good day to you, thanks for joining me. so this latest here with the polls, they leave a somewhat unclear picture of what to expect in tuesday's primary. there's this one poll you know which has trump and cruz very close within the margin of error. second one shows trump up by nine points. a third has cruz up by 16 over donald trump. so, can you make heads or tails of all this? who has the momentum in indiana? >> and somebody paid for those polls.
>> right? >> do you believe that? it's all over the map. it's pretty unusual. but i do think there is some unpredictable in the state of indiana. at least on the republican side, people in indiana love underdogs. i will tell you that cruz is working exceptionally hard in this state. our first poll came out and had trump up by about six points. i kind of believed at that time that was the case, but cruz and fiorina worked very hard in this state so far and will continue to do so, but i think it's going to be interesting. like you said, trump has taken the day off today. be back again tomorrow. hillary has taken several days off. i think when you take those days off in the state of indiana makes people begin to wonder and sanders and cruz might do better than people expect here. >> interesting. can you get a gauge on early and absentee voting? >> early voting is heavy. as our polling indicated that favors trump and sanders. now, you know, if some people change their mind -- keep in mind, we have an open primary. you might see some i'll call
them reagan democrats who might decide they want to cross over and go with donald trump. that wouldn't surprise me at all here. and sanders will benefit from a big turnout as well. so, again, those are things to watch. early voting, i don't have specific numbers, but it is high. >> okay. governor mike pence as you know was on the local radio show yesterday and he made his preferences pretty clear. let's take a listen. >> i particularly want to commend donald trump, who i think has given voice to the frustration of millions of working americans. i've come to my decision about who i'm supporting. i'm not against anybody, but i will be voting for ted cruz in the upcoming republican primary. >> so, what was that? is there a big difference saying you're going to endorse somebody versus this is who i'm voting for, someone in his position? >> yeah. very good observation. we wondered that as well yesterday, but i will say this, it reminded me of when you watch a high school kid decides to
declare for a college and he has three hats in front of him and he starts to lean toward one and everybody goes ah and he grabs the other one. he decided it would be cruz and not trump. mike pence is running for re-election, less than 50% in the state of indiana, he is at 49. he needs ted cruz. ted cruz needs mike pence. on the other hand, you notice that hedging there, it sounded to me like the governor was hedging his bet. if cruz is not the nominee, i'll go with donald trump. he's at the top of the ticket and he'll need him if he's on the ballot. you know how it works in politics. strange bedfellows. >> very much so. mike pence's vote and his declaration that way, though, will that have an influence do you think on indiana voters? >> i'm sorry, repeat that again for me. >> the fact he says i am voting for ted cruz. does than influence other voters in your state? >> i think it will among the evangelicals, far right, who follow mike pence. again, i don't know. i think those people would have voted for ted cruz probably any way.
it's a head scratcher in a way. you would figure these two would be paired up, and they are. i don't know if that really pushes a needle here or anything. that's what i thought also when carly fiorina was named here. donald trump rolled out bobby knight for heaven sakes. that certainly got more conversation in indiana that bobby knight was back and wearing a red sweater. who knows. >> real quick, united technologies own carrier, they're planning to shut down. they're moving production to mexico, many as 1,400 workers in indiana could be losing their jobs. how do you think concerns over jobs will manifest itself in the votes. >> that's huge. economy and jobs are huge. those trade deals of bernie sanders hits on. that's why i always think sometimes these polls, i don't know if they really tap into that. there's some angst and anger here over those trade deals and we're one of the leading manufacturing states in america. and carrier -- i thought it was interesting because last week donald trump was planning a first rally here ended up being in the state fairgrounds, but
initially they were going to have it at carrier. carrier endorsed sanders and that took care of that. bernie spoke to those union folk. they're very much rank and file in favor of bernie sanders. but losing jobs here is big. i think hillary clinton has a real kind of stumbling block to overcome there. >> all right, kevin raider from wthr. good chat. thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. millions of dollars of music buried in the paisley park compound of prince. what will happen to all those unreleased songs? a type of irregular heartbeat, not caused by a heart valve problem. but i won't play anything less than my best. so if there's something better than warfarin, i'm going for it. eliquis. eliquis reduced the risk of stroke better than warfarin, plus it had significantly less major bleeding than warfarin... eliquis had both... that's what i wanted to hear. don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to,
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we heard you. tough talk from donald trump as he gears up for tuesday's indiana primary, the second biggest delegate prize remaining on the calendar. let's bring in rick tyler msnbc analyst and joe watkins, republican strategist and former white house aide for george h.w. bush. >> it's funny, he always repeats himself. says it three different times, three different ways. is he right, joe? can indiana basically clinch the nomination nor him? >> it certainly goes a long way. i think if he wins indiana, he's right. it's close to being over. he's actually got to win the 1237 delegates to be the party's nominee before the convention, but winning indiana really puts him on the path to doing that. i think it makes it a lot easier for him to consider himself the presumptive nominee if he wins indiana on tuesday. >> rick, on the other happened, your former candidate, ted cruz, if he loses indiana, is it over for him?
>> i don't expect ted cruz to get out until trump secures the 1,237. if he does lose indiana, his path becomes very unlikely to the nomination. >> with your insight into that specific campaign, what do you think went into the choice of carly fiorina for vp? what do you think cruz hopes she will do for his campaign? >> several things. one, carly is very competent. she has a business sense about her. she could definitely go to to toe with donald trump on his business acumen. she raced herself up from nothing and has become very articulate. she can speak to evangelicals. she's done something that kasich, cruz and trump has never done. she's won a california primary. doing nothing would have been a dumb move. doing something was a smart move. i think bringing carly fiorina in, she's a great communicator, she eem add to the stump, was a smart move. >> when you were still with the campaign and those two were
competitors, what was the tenor of things between them? >> very cordial. i don't think they ever met or spent any time together, there were several events we were together. it was cordial, friendly. >> joe, let's talk about what he saw in california, something of a return to the old donald trump, making jokes about he was crossing the border and drawing the protests and the riot police. is that a risky move for him now? does it damage his push to appear presidential? >> remember he's got to secure 1237 delegates before he's the party's nominee. you've got to win your parity's nomination. i'm sure he's thinking why should i change now, people like donald trump as donald trump is. donald trump the way he is, unfiltered, unscripted has so far gotten hymn where he is. he's not too terribly far from the 1237 delegates he needs. i think he's thinking to
himself, why change now. >> rick, what is the best case scenario for republicans in november? do they go with the primary popular vote and nominate trump or, backing cruz who some polls indicate might have a better shot against hillary clinton. do you think he has a better shot against hillary clinton than donald trump? >> i clearly think cruz has a better shot against hillary clinton than trump. donald trump's negatives are way too high. the problem is trump has self declared he's the nominee. he may certainly be. but nominees act like nominees. nominees, the first thing they do, is try to win the support of their competitors. he's done anything but. in california at the convention he said yesterday, he insulted ted cruz again and kasich. he's insulted all the other competitors who aren't even in the race. then he says we must have unity within our party.
why wouldn't he do what hillary clinton is doing, which is to try to win over bernie sanders' supporters because she's going to need them. donald trump, if he's the nominee will need every kasich, cruz and rubio supporter. it seems man nye cli dumb he wouldn't court those people. >> john, who do you think has a better shot against hillary clinton? cruz or trump? >> i think donald trump will be surprisingly competitive against hillary clinton. i think he has a shot to win the general election. of course, he's got to win over independents and work with some of the groups that maybe in the past have felt offended by some of the things he's said. donald trump has defied convention so far throughout the campaign. what usually sticks to other candidates hasn't stuck to him. he's been very much of a tough lon g teflon guy. if he has the capacity to win over republicans and some democrats, he has a good shot in the election. >> better than cruz's shot?
>> i think he has a better shot than ted cruz who is a hard worker and certainly one of the smartest candidates i've seen in a long time. he has a better chance to win over independents and democrats. >> did anything you saw in pennsylvania on tuesday indicate to you that donald trump has a better shot to beat hillary clinton? >> pennsylvanias such an interesting state, almost like a microcosm of the country. you the big cities in the east and west in pittsburgh and philadelphia and the central part of pennsylvania votes almost like the midwest and the south. donald trump showed amazing strength in pennsylvania. the state that has been known to really decide who is -- the last republican to win pennsylvania was george h.w. bush, the president for whom i worked in the white house. donald trump showed amazing strength in pennsylvania. i think that this is a candidate that actually has a chance, if he's the nominee, to win the fall election. he's got a lot of work to do still. but he has a show to do it. >> joe watkins and rick tyler,
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