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of all forms are mobilizing to stop the republican front-runner with just three days until the contest that could effectively end this republican primary. in craft protesters and police facing off ahead of donald trump's speech at the state's republican convention. protesters blocked the entrance to the building holding mexican flags and signs condemning trump's controversial immigration plan. the candidate forced to enter the convention center on foot, walking along the highway and over a median. this as a different kind of stop trump force zeros in on the winnter-take-all state of indiana. 57 delegates are up for grabs. if trump win it is hasser state, he's closer to the magic number of 1,237. let's get to the campaign trail and the latest on the protests in california. we find nbc's ali vitaly in the middle of that chaotic scene.
with just days until a critical primary, how will the visuals help or hurt the trump campaign? >> reporter: good morning, eamon. these visuals aren't anything new. we've seen protests outside trump rallies before. that's not new. what is new is we're in california, this is the beginning of his time campaigning in the state ahead of the june 7th primary. clearly what we've been seeing over the course of the past few days is much more escalated protests, much more numbers, even more violence. the pre curser to this level of violence is what we saw in chicago a few months earlier. what was so interesting about yesterday is it actually started off quite peaceful. when we first arrived, we saw people silently protesting. some people were even burning incense. what we saw was people coming to the front of the hotel. people had to barricade the front of the hotel.
the eventually goal was to pre vent trump from speaking here. that's what we saw in chicago. here in california they didn't actually succeed in that. what they did succeed in was preventing trump from entering in a very conventional way. here is what he had to say about that when he got inside. >> that was not the easiest entrance i've ever made. my wife called. she said there are helicopters following you, and then we went under a fence and through a fence. oh, boy, felt like i was crossing a border. i was crossing the border, but i got here. >> reporter: he made reference to his interesting entrance a few times throughout the speech. right as he was closing out, he said you should see the route they have planned for me to get out of here. he was definitely making light of the whole thing. it can't imagine he was too happy with the images showing how he had to get in and out of the venue. the second protest we've seen in
california in 24 hours. this one yesterday spanned for most of the afternoon. >> msnbc's ali vitaly live in san francisco, thank you for the update. let's turn to indiana where nbc's ron mott is. he's in indianapolis with the latest on how tuesday's primary can reshape both the republican and democratic race. i know you're at the indiana comic-con where comic fans are even talking about this all important primary. what you hearing from folks? >> reporter: good morning to you. i made a left turn somewhere and ran into halloween. 40,000 people expected here at comic-con this year. a lot of these folks coming in costume. it's a fantasy really for a lot of people, an escape from reality. we have found a few folks who are going to get back to reality on tuesday when this all important winner-take-all primary is said to take place. this is jeremy cox.
explain to people your character here? >> i'm a roving stink punk artist. i have my tools here, pencil, papers, pen, eraser, paper. i'm all set. >> let's talk about tuesday. you're voting tuesday. >> yes, sir. >> voting for who? >> ted cruz. >> why? >> trump is a little scary. wi >> will you be able to support trump if he becomes the nominee? >> yes. >> let's turn back this way. captain america. katie, tell me who you're voting for? >> bernie sanders. >> why does he get your support? >> one, i think he'd be team cap. and two, all his views are the same as mine. i'm a strong supporter. >> okay.
tell me your name. >> garrett. >> you're a hybrid character. who are you supporting on tuesd tuesday? >> bernie sanders. >> if he doesn't get the nomination, will both of you be able to support the democratic nominee, perhaps secretary clinton? >> maybe. it probably comes down to who is the republican -- >> if she gets the nomination, she does not necessarily have your vote in november? >> that's correct. >> there you have it. eamon, back up to you. >> ron mott in a very colorful setting. live in indianapolis. as cruz and kasich fight to keep the gop nomination out of trump's reach, he's focusing his attacks on hillary clinton. joining me to discuss this is msnbc contributor and former senior advisor to president george w. bush, robert chain nam. dog thornhill, former press secretary for the democratic campaign committee and luis ana nah lopez from reuters.
robert, let me begin with you and talk about what we're discussing with ali about the protests outside the trump venue. do you think the friday protests will help or hurt trump in indiana going forward? >> i think it's a combination of both. i think it helps trump and his supporters because they become much more energized and dedicated to voting for mr. trump in indiana's primary. i also think it hurts him because it energizes a lot of folks out there, myself included on the republican side that are frustrated with this process and does not think mr. trump is the best qualified candidate to become the republican nominee. i also think it helps secretary clinton, the presumptive democratic nominee, i was skeptical she'd be able to recreate the obama coalition of 2011 and 2012, but because of trump's anti women, anti women sentiments, i think that type of
coalition will probably coalesce around secretary clinton and put her over the top this fall. >> doug, let's talk about governor kasich. he spoke to reporters last night in california. let me play you this sound bite and get your reaction afterwards. take a listen. >> when you live on the negative side, when you feed people's anger -- did you see what happened here today? i heard about it. people chaining themselves to a fence. you see what's happening? >> clearly kasich is frustrated, upset there. how can the stop trump forces harness that frustration in the final days? >> they're looking at california and the way they allocate delegates there is by a congressional district basis. i think kasich is going to try to do well in democratic-time districts. he's in san francisco campaigning there. cruz feels like he has a good ground game and he's built for these district-by-district
delegate contests. if trump wins indiana and wins california and is projected to do so, if he hasn't reached the magic number already, it's going to be very hard for the dump trump efforts to stop him heading into cleveland. i think this is kind of -- california is obviously their last stance. >> louisiana, yesterday indiana governor pence had a lukewarm endorsement for ted cruz, at least saying he was going to vote for him. take a listen. >> i particularly want to commend donald trump who i think has given voice to the frustration of millions of working americans. i'm also particularly grateful that donald trump has taken a strong stand for hoosier jobs. i've come to my decision about who i'm supporting. i'm not against anybody, but i will be voting for ted cruz in
the upcoming republican primary. >> not exactly the strongest of endorsements. he's a popular governor in indiana. do you think it's enough to push ted cruz through the finish line in first place? >> no. donald trump is bobby knight who in indiana that's a not inconsiderable endorsement to have on your side. when your endorsement starts out talking about how grateful you are for the other guy and how he's the voice of millions of people in the party, that's hardly a declaration of confidence about this is the only man that can win. >> wooi do you think he supported ted cruz after giving a much more stronger support to donald trump and thanking him for focusing on hoosier jobs. >> i do think mike pence is much morale lined with ted cruz. that probably is genuinely the candidate he would like to see win. i think mike pence is smart enough to stick a singer up in
the wins and say maybe i ought not aggravate the trump forces too much. >> he said he's going to make a play for sanders' supporters. here is how hillary clinton reacted in an interview with cnn. take a listen. >> how are you going to counter that? >> we're going to be outreaching to senator sanders supporters as well. i don't see how the calculation adds up. we have far more in common than they do with donald trump or any republican. >> do you think he's right or can trump make a general appeal about trade and money in politics, something bernie sanders has been campaigning strongly on? >> i'm going to say it in ten seconds or less. the donald trump supporter and bernie sanders supporters are two sides of the same coin, very, very frustrated with the establishment. they feel washington has been lying to them for the past 10 or
15 years and they're so frustrated and angry, although i'm not supporting donald trump, i think he has a good point where he could perhaps resonate with a bernie sanders supporter. the reason why is he's so anti-establishment which is such the undercore of bernie sanders erase. probably maybe a significant support. >> you definitely threaded the needle longer than ten seconds. the final word on that same question really quickly. >> absolutely not. if you look at how donald trump is doing in exit polling, he in the general erection he's tanking. yeah, they're anti establishment, but they're totally different candidates. bernie sanders supporters are ultimately going to be supporter of secretary clinton. >> robe thank you all for joinig us this morning. >> thank you. meanwhile president obama is preparing to speak at the annual
correspondents dinner. the 2016 front-runners are staying away from tonight's event except for bernie sanders. he will be migging with the stars. ron allen is outside the white house where president obama may be putting finishing touches on his own comic routine. good morning, ron. >> good morning. i'm sure he's working on it and has a big team of speech writers and comedy writers helping him out. this is a big deal. it's the social event in washington every year. this will be the president's last. the question is how aggressively will he go after donald trump and the others running for president. whatever he does, it will be hard to top what he did in 2011 where he ridiculed trump. some people speculate that's one of the reasons he's running for president now. here are some of the greatest hits over the year which will be hard to top. >> say what you will about mr. trump, he certainly would bring some change to the white house.
see what we've got up there. [ laughter ]. >> protecting our democracy is more important than ever. for example, the supreme court ruled the donor who gave ted cruz $6 million was exercising free speech. >> it's the kind of free speech like this, i just wasted $6 million. >> the host will be larry willmore of comedy central, a tough act to follow. the best thing about tonight's event is i get to go. see you there. >> it will be a fun night. n next, the dramatic shift hillary clinton's campaign is making as it prepares for the general election. and while she may be close to clinching the nomination, the andea sanders campaign has a new strategy and a new target. we'll tell you what that is right after this. stay with us.
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with the democratic nomination all but determined, hillary clinton has begun to shift her focus to the general election while bernie sanders has begun to focus on his plan b, shaping the party's platform. msnbc's al let's seitz-wald joins us from washington, d.c. with the latest on the democratic primary. let's talk about the shift in strategy if we can, how has hillary clinton begun focusing on the general election, alex? >> in a number of ways. to start out her team deployed state directors to general election battle ground states.
that includes florida, colorado and new hampshire. so they're putting top people on the ground to start building out an operation. that's going to be months ahead of donald trump or ted cruz who still have to lock down their nomination. meanwhile, they've basically stopped spending money on the primary campaign, at least on television ads. that's to try to preserve as much of their assets for the general election as possible. in their headquarters in brooklyn, i went up there for the first time a year ago. there was this other floor they had rented that was left sitting empty. they've punched a stairwell into that floor, expanding. they're staffing and getting ready, eamon. >> bernie sanders has built such huge momentum, huge following. a lot of people want to see what he's been fighting for reflected in the democratic party. how does sanders hope to even influence the democratic party with some of the issues he's been raise? >> a couple of ways here. they'll fight as much as they can until the buzzer to try to build up as much leverage as possible so when they head into the democratic national convention in philadelphia on
july 18th, they have as many delegat delegates, as much support, as much grassroots enthusiasm as possible. number one would be platform, instill things like a $15 minimum wage, ban on fracking, any host of issues into the platform. the other issue would be the process on how the democratic nominee gets decided in the future. that might be things like getting rid of supper delegates or making the primaries open to both independents and democrats, making them open primaries. that's something that benefited bernie sanders in the past. there hasn't been a decision made on what they want to ask for specifically. think just want to know they want to accrue as much leverage as possible. >> alex seitz-wald live in washington, d.c., thanks for that. >> thanks. >> i'll be joined by a spokesman for doctors without borders. we'll get the reaction to the pentagon's announcement that none of the military personnel on the deadly strike on the
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the conclusion of the investigation is that there were human error that caused this tragedy. now, those -- that human error was compounded by systems and procedural failures. there's no denying that what's occurred here is a genuine tragedy. when this ins deptd occurred you heard the president and others express their profound sorrow at the loss of innocent life. >> as the white house and military officials continue to explain their findings in the afghanistan hospital attack overnight the u.s. and russia agreed to their cease-fire in syria but left out war-torn ol lep poe where an air strike on thursday leveled one of the doctors without borders hospitals. another attack in syria on friday, can doctors continue
their work in the middle east. joining me now is doctors without borders renzo freid. let's start with the pentagon investigation, 16 military personnel will not face criminal charges. some of them have been -- all of them disciplined and punished, some with career ending punishment. is that a sufficient form of justice for doctors without borders. >> to us it's completely out of proportion. we see a disruption of run ag medical facility, death of 42 people, wounding of dozens of others and the fact that, those medical activities with inaccessible for tens of thousands of people. that's completely out of proportion. >> is there anything that doctors without borders can do. back then, the language used by the organization was this amounted to a war crime. yesterday we heard the central command officer saying this was
not a war crime because it was not intentional. do you have any other legal recourse? is there anything else you would like to see done as doctors without borders in this investigation? >> of course when we talk about war crime, there are two questions to look at, the intentionality and the potential gross negligence of failing to distinguish military from civilian nature of the target. of course, there was no mention of this gross negligence. when we look at the map, our compound did not look at all the intended target. so we really wonder how it was possible to confusion the two compounds. >> i understand it was known by all forces in the area that that was a non-strike area, right? >> of course. the hospital was running and existing from everyone for more than four years. we provided gps coordinates to all parties to the conflict. the hospital was running for a
very long time and we had provided the coordinate, but also were communicating because the work we were doing in that period of time was huge because of the wounded arriving every day. so nobody could deny our presence and pretend to not know we were there. >> let's talk about another tragic incident, this happening in syria at a doctors without borders supported hospital in the city of aleppo who was struck. do you know who struck this hospital? do you have any evidence that it was one side or the other? >> i have no evidence. the difference, of course, was attacking afghanistan, it was quite quickly in afghanistan claimed by the u.s. military which is not the case in syria. so we're not experts in defining who was the perpetrateder. >> let's talk about generally how difficult it has become for doctors without borders to operate in some of these war zones, in places like syria. we in places like afghanistan, you're being killed and attacked
indirectly or even accidentally by coalition forces. >> indeed. extremely difficult to work in these environments. now what we're trying to do, to resume actives, get assurance from all parties to be sure that we will not be targeted anymore, no there would be no arms entering in our facilities. otherwise we cannot ensure the neutrality of our work. >> all right. we'll have to leave it at that, renzo fricke, thank you very much. at least 21 people are dead and 42 injured after a bomb went off in an open air market east of bagdad. isis is claiming responsibility saying they were targeting shiites on a pilgrimage to a holy shrine. meanwhile bagdad declared a state of emergency after protesters climbed walls,
storming into parliament, carrying iraqi flags and chanting against the government. we're following these developing stories and will bring you the latest details as we get them through out the course of the day. next we'll turn back to politics. is the gop establishment warming up to donald trump, even one of his former presidential opponents is now changing his tune about the billionaire businessman. we'll tell you who next. i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain. tell 'em cedric sent you. ♪ gaviscon is a proven heartburn remedy that gives you fast-acting, long-lasting relief. it immediately neutralizes acid and only gaviscon helps keep acid down for hours.
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cain dawson is the former chairman of the south carolina republican party which effectively makes him part of the gop establishment. thank you, sir, for joining us. let's talk about marco rubio a little bit. he was asked about the republican primary race yesterday and took a more conciliatory tone on donald trump saying, quote, his performance has improved significantly. we saw trump pick up even more support in congress this week. is it time you think for the party to embrace trump as their nominee? >> i think it's still going to take late while. there are a lot of republicans in rehabilitation right now coming the the fact that trump has got a lot of momentum. indiana is going to matter. mike pence's state is very important, a guy who will be a presidential contender at one time with mike pence. california in the cruz media market living in texas, i don't think everybody is going to bail out. i think what you're seeing is the realization that trump's organization has grown and
gotten better. his message hasn't changed, but it's not over yet. there are a lot of exciting moments to come. >> let's talk about the principles pac. they spent about $2 million in indiana and released a new ad attacking trump. here is what governor rick scott said about efforts to stop trump from clinching the party's nomination. take a listen. >> i think it's time we rally around trump. he's clearly going to get the nomination. look at last tuesday and how well he did. all the anti-trump movement is doing now is helping hillary. we've got to help donald trump win this race -- >> is there any validity to that point that this campaign against trump who is increasingly the presumptive nominee, benefiting hillary clinton? >> governor scott, with all due respect, is close to right. this is a nominating contest, not really a primary, one that doesn't have a run-off. unusual -- i think you'll hear
conversations about the process for another couple weeks. there's still a big -- this indiana contest could go ahead and ice it and put it to bed and be quiet. but delegates are being picked today in south carolina, will continue to be picked all over the country. we'll see. again, congratulations to trump and his organization. don't undersell the cruz organization understanding the mechanics of the republican party. i think people are realizing that we have a really, really big contest coming with hillary clinton and bill clinton and the machine they're going to put together, and the longer the republican party stays fracti fractionized, the better chance hillary clinton is successful. >> ted cruz is expected to win the delegate war in virginia, possibly picking up 13 state-wide delegates, but still in a fight for indiana, a state that people say could be the end of the primary altogether. he was asked by our own chuck todd if he'd drop out of the
race if he loses in indiana. here is what he said. >> if you don't win indiana, do you get out of the race? >> indiana is an important state. we're competing hard, barnstorming the state. we're on a bus tour, heidi and i and the girls and carly, we're seeing great support in indiana. ly say this, indiana has a chance to choose. do we want to support a campaign based on yelling and screaming and cursing and insults, or do we want to unify behind an optimistic, forward looking conservative campaign based on real policy solutions -- >> if indiana rejects you, they're rejecting that argument, are they not? >> i don't believe so. i think the support we're seeing is surging. there's a reason governor mike pence offered his support. he's hearing from hoosiers across the state that don't want a campaign that is based on yelling and bullying. they want real solutions. >> so is the primary over if
donald trump takes indiana? >> it's close. next thing, i expect him to surround himself with about six nascar drivers. bobby knight was a big deal in indiana. the unconventional way that trump campaigns is refreshing. let's see how it goes. i think certainly indiana is going to be a bellwether. it's a state that ought to do well for cruz and kasich, but trump has got a lot of momentum going in there. people like to go with a winner. this process is going to run a little longer. hillary's is going to end pretty soon. both parties have a major, major problem. they've got disaffected bases on both sides that somebody has to figure out how to put everybody back on the same page. >> mr. dawson, thank you for joining us, sir. you can watch chuck todd's full interview with ted cruz tomorrow on "meet the press." switching to severe weather. rain and hail in the region from
oklahoma and mississippi causing flooding and power loss. nbc's jay gray joins us with the latest on the state by state impact. >> reporter: eamon, good morning. we're really in the calm between storms right now. the last several days, dallas here and across the southwest and south, they've really taken a beating from storms. there's concern that more severe weather could be on the way. the assault by mother nature began late yesterday and continued overnight. violent winds, heavy rain, tornadoes and hail across the midwest and plains. 25 million in the potential strike zone, including the family that lived in this southwest oklahoma home. >> we had no idea. like i said, we were inside the storm shelter there at the school and never would have thought we'd not have a house to come home to. >> reporter: everything in sight scattered for miles. some of the worst damage in oklahoma where a large tornado
tore through a barn, downing trees and power lines. this funnel caught on camera in dorchester, texas, where residents were told to take shelter. >> that is crazy. >> reporter: in lendale, texas, storm waters washed away this road. hail battered parts of north texas. golf ball-sized ice pelts storm chasers from dallas nbc affiliate kxas. flights delayed for hours at dallas-ft. worth international airport. damage stretches across several states and hundreds of miles floodwaters are rising across the south including gulfport, mississippi, again under water with the potential of more severe weather in the forecast across the region through the weekend. >> reporter: the potential for tornadoes has dropped, there is still a real concern about flooding rains and hail across much of the region. that's the latest here in dallas, i'm jay gray. eamon, back to you now.
that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. here, there, everywhere. united states postal service priority: you just in, donald trump is lashing out at the protesters that complicated his entrance to the california republican convention yesterday. the candidate tweeted moments ago, quote, the protesters in california were thugs and criminals. many are professionals. they should be dealt with strongly by law enforcement. we've been saying indiana could be ted cruz's last chance to stop donald trump. because of how delegates are allocated, even if trump wins little, he could still win big. nbc's steve kornacki is here to explain it for us. >> we say every primary is
really important, but in indiana, this one is really, really important on tuesday. here is why. basically, you look at the state. there's 57 delegates up for grabs. but look how they give out the delegates on tuesday in indiana. if you win the state, you get 30 of those 57. if you win the state even by one vote, you've already got more than half of those 57 delegates. the rest of them, they're given out by congressional districts. you've got nine congressional districts here. for each one of the districts that you win, you're going to get three delegates. here is the real nightmare scenario for ted cruz. this is why he was so eager to get john kasich out of the picture in indiana. if donald trump win this is state over ted cruz by, say, two points, donald trump would get those 30 delegates just for winning the state. then you look at how donald trump's support has been across the country. what we've generally seen is it's not usually isolated in one congressional district, where he'll get 60% of the vote in one part of the state and that will carry him statewide.
trump's pretty consistent across the board. krusz has had more concentrated support. you'll look for cruz to do pretty strong around ft. wayne, maybe in the southern part of the state. that's where cruz's strength is going to come. if trump win it is state even by a couple points, it probably means he's winning most of these congressional districts, too. let's say he were to win six of them, too. he'd get 30 for winning the state, 18 for the congressional districts. he'd walk away with 48 of the 57 delegates up for grabs. it would be a landslide in delegates, even if trump only wins this thing by a point or two. that's why ted cruz was so eager to try to get the one-on-one, to try to get kasich out of the way, not to have kasich play spoiler. again, if donald trump walks away with most of the delegates in indiana on tuesday, that lead grows. more the point, that sets him to the course to hit 1237. west virginia coming up, he 50e8 probably get most of those. new jersey is a winner tark all.
at that point if he gets all that breaking his way, he'd need to get stuff out of california. he wouldn't need a landslide, just a good solid performance and he'd hit 1237. ted cruz wants to prove he can still win. that's probably the most important thing for him. >> msnbc's steve kornacki crunching the numbers. here to tell us what the ground game looks like for the parties in indiana, long-time "indianapolis star" reporter and columnist matthew tullie. good to have you with us this morning. >> good morning. >> indiana governor mike pence announced how great trump is before announcing he would be voting for ted cruz. >> i've come to my decision for who i'm supporting.
i'm not against anybody butly be voting for ted cruz. >> that seems fairly non-committal as to who he's actually endorsing. is this typical mike pens hermi here? what's the strategy. >> you have an incouple bent governor who is in quite a bit of trouble, under 50% in approval rating in his reelect numbers. i think he had to be very careful here. he tried to cover all his bases with this. this sort of is an endorsement but wasn't much of one. if you listen to the tape, i think donald trump can walk out with more sound bites that favor him than ted cruz. >> the kasich-cruz alliance seems to have quickly fallen apart, being called the non-alliance alliance. even with the indy star endorsing kasich. have voters likewise ignored the alliance. you think people could still turn out and vote for kasich in large numbers without him
campaigning there? >> sure. first of all t alliance bombed. it was not seen favorably in indiana. both candidates tried to walk it back afterward. it did not look good. no one came out looking good. the star didn't endorse kasich. what we said was he's probably the best candidate but we couldn't offer an endorsement in that race when he didn't even campaign here. in the end, it could help cruz a little bit just for the fact that kasich wasn't here taking more votes. he was lined up to do pretty well here i think. i don't know that he would have won. but this state was kind of tailor-made for him being right next door. there were so many moderate delegates that lined up for him already. it was a strange thing. it didn't look good. i don't know that it will impact the race too much. i think most people have made up their mind by now, but probably two or three weeks ago. >> ted cruz has been hoping to court social conservatives away from donald trump by using the transgender bathroom debate as a religious freedom issue on the
campaign trail. how has that been resonating amongst voters in indiana? >> that's a powerful issue. you hear about it a lol. i was surprised it didn't continue as a campaign issuer other than that one day. he talked about it and then largely backed away from it. in tend i think this is a national race about big national issues. i don't think that's going to be the decider. it did give cruz headlines for a while. but i don't think it will be the thing that decides the race. next, president obama's new push to push -- because my dentus fit well. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. even well fitting dentures let in food particles. just a few dabs of super poligrip free is clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat.
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technology saying it would reduce the number of accidental deaths. the administration is getting pushback from the fraternal order of police. in an interview with politico an official from the fraternal order of police said police are quote, being made guinea pigs given that smart gun technology hasn't been tested. eric milgram is the father of two children who survived the newtown mass shooting in december 2012 and a spokesman for the newtown action alliance. thank you very much for joining us. given your own personal experience with what happened in newtown, you are also a gun owner, where do you particularly stand on this issue of smart gun technology and this initiative by the president? >> like a lot of things with guns, people try to dichotomize it and put it into it's either black or white. the truth is we need to do -- look at all the options available to us as part of a comprehensive integrated strategy to reduce gun deaths, gun violence and smart guns definitely have a role in that. there is some truth to what's
being said that the technology is very much in its infancy but i liken it to elevators. for several decades after elevators were introduced a lot of people wouldn't ride them. nowadays people don't think twice about getting in an elevator and riding it. it took time to work out the technology for people to become comfortable with it and so that's what we are going to see with smart guns. as the government starts to push regulations, it's no different than the reason auto deaths have declined so much is because over the years, it wasn't consumers that pushed for safer automobiles, it was advocacy groups he led by people like ralph nader in the '60s who pushed regulatory agencies to create safety standards for cars. over time, now consumers demand it. try to sell a car without an airbag and people won't buy it. >> let's talk then about some of the opposition that has come out, particularly as we were saying in that introduction, from the fraternal order of police. they have been very vocal about it saying it's a concept more than it is a technology to deploy an unproven concept or technology with law enforcement
using police officers as guinea pigs is something that causes us great concern. so do you see their concerns as reason not to push this particular strategy? >> no. no. this is where i think that there's this just irrational fear. now, if president obama had said within one year, i want all police officers to carry smart guns i think they would have a valid point. that's not what the president said. what the president said was let's look at, you know, the needs of the military and law enforcement because what we know is a lot of gun owners, in fact, the gun companies even market when they use terms like battle-tested or combat-proven, a lot of the weapons civilians carry, they don't need military style weapons but they like military style weapons. there's this belief that if it works for the military, if it works for law enforcement, it will work for me. >> let's talk a little about the timing of this announcement by the president. comes in his final year in office. do you feel the president has done enough to try and curb gun violence and does the timing of
this, you know, say anything to you as a gun owner, as a person who lived through newtown? >> i can't speak for the president's intentions. i can just tell you my theory on this, and obama has done what he can to stem gun violence. obviously, he's had a congress that's opposed him at every opportunity, even things that you think no one would argue with like veterans' job benefits, they have opposed anything that the president tries to put in place. he's brilliant. he's strategic. he's a constitutional scholar. it's well within the responsibilities of the president to be able to mandate how regulations get implemented. that well regulated part of the second amendment that a lot of gun groups don't want you to think about. i think what he's done is brilliant, being able to say hey, let's spur this innovation through government. >> thank you so much, sir, for your time. spokesperson for the newtown action alliance. >> thank you. that's all for me this hour.
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