tv The Place for Politics 2016 MSNBC April 30, 2016 9:00am-10:01am PDT
we're not good. we're total heroes. scale on demand with the number one company in cloud infrastructure. good afternoon everyone. i'm alex witt here at msnbc world headquarters in new york following breaking news out of iraq this afternoon. hundreds of protesters have climbed over and knocked down protective barriers surrounding baghdad's so-called green zone. many have carried iraqi flags and are chanting anti-government slogans as they move into the heavily fortified section of baghdad where many americans and other westerners are based. lelts get right now to nbc's ron allen monitoring the situation from the white house. ron, good afternoon. what do we know? >> alex, sounds like a very chaotic situation going on for several hours and latest reports
indicate there could be thousands of people who have reached the security of the green zone and are now in the heavily fortified part of the city, the heart of baghdad. it's an area of about four square miles. the u.s. embassy is there about a mile or so from the parliament building. earlier there were concerns about some of the parliamentarians who were in the building at the time might be trying to flee to the u.s. embassy or other embassies in that area. no reports of that as of yet. it's nightfall there. it's getting late and the situation's been going on for some time. there are also some reports of security forces firing tear gas at protesters who are trying to enter the area. there's also a state of emergency throughout baghdad in the area adjacent to the green zone and throughout the city. a huge bustling city with millions of people there. now all this is the result of political chaos that's been going on in baghdad for some time now. these are protesters demanding reforms, demanding an end to corruption, waste in the government. the prime minister there has
been trying to form a new government for some time now. struggling to do that. there's a lot of infighting going on, a lot of instability. this is the big concern of the united states. the united states wants iraq to have a very stable government as it continues to fight against isis and terrorism in iraq and in syria. you'll recall that vice president biden was just in iraq a few days ago earlier this week there to help support the prime minister help to get through this political crisis. the vice president biden was the third u.s. official to go there in recent weeks following the secretary of defense and the secretary of state john kerry. so also you'll recall that just about two weeks ago or so the united states sent several hundred troops to iraq to beef up the fight against isis. so a lot going on at this critical moment. the united states wants to see a stable government in iraq at a time when they think -- when u.s. officials think they have made some progress have seized the momentum is a word used here at the white house and elsewhere to describe where they feel the fight is now against isis.
the last thing they want is instability or chaos in iraq at this time when the u.s. hopes it's turned a corner in this fight. it needs the iraqi government focused on this fight and not distracted by this chaos that's going on there. again, unclear how resolved the situation is now. there were some reports of members of parliament trapped in their offices, protesters trying to find them, threats and fear about retaliation and reprisals. again, a situation that mainly deals with iraqi politics but of great concern to the united states and being monitored closely here at the white house. >> ron, i want to have you reiterate a couple things. first of all this is a large group of people. clearly we can see that. there's evidence of some sort of property damage. we've heard reports of that, but it's not being described as violent per se, which leads the white house to say they aren't concerned at this time, right, for anyone's safety, of u.s. citizens there? >> well, the word that we've had heard here is that so far it's
been peaceful. yes, i don't know the extent of damage to property. it appears to be an ongoing situation. large crowds of people in the parliament in and around that area. the important point about this, alex, is that this green zone is a very protected part of the city. people are allowed in, but it's heavily guarded. and now there seems to be no security cordoned there at all. and the iraqi security forces are responsible for protecting the embassies in that area like the united states embassy. and at this point the work from the state department here is that the u.s. still has faith and confidence in the iraqi security forces to protect the u.s. embassy and other foreign missions there in the green zone. again, it's an evolving situation. it's unclear exactly what's going on at the ground at this point or what damage. there were reports of security forces firing tear gas. we have not seen that visually yet. there are reports of members of the iraq parliament and other government officials perhaps trapped in the building and unsure of whether to get out
whether they would be attacked if they got out. but again, at this point the word from the u.s. is that this appears to be peaceful and they're monitoring it very closely. >> okay. we will continue to do so with your help. thank you very much from the white house, ron allen, for that. let's go from there to presidential politics with three days until the indiana primaries, republicans are instead focusing their efforts on california today. ted cruz will be the last candidate to speak at the party's state convention later on. john kasich who spoke there last night will be campaigning in san jose. and their events in california come less than 24 hours after hundreds of protesters surrounded a convention hotel this ahead of donald trump's speech. at one point in fact protesters knocked down the barricades and th tried to get inside. they reportedly threw eggs and rocks at riot police. this all forced trump's motorcade to pull over on the shoulder of the freeway, as you can see right here. he had to walk and eventually under a fence in order to enter that hotel safely. while trump joked about his unorthodox entrance by comparing it to crossing the u.s./mexico
border, john kasich essentially blamed him for the protests. >> but when you live on the negative side, when you feed people's anger -- did you see what happened here today? i heard about it. people chaining themselves to a fence trying to prevent somebody -- i mean, do you see what's happening? okay. well, i may not be winning those votes right now, but over time i believe the people like to live where they can be hopeful, where they believe that this country can be better, where they believe at the end they need to have somebody that's had the experience and somebody that can unite the country. >> once trump hit the stage he renewed his attacks against the party. >> it's a rigged system. it's a rigged system. okay. it's a horrible, horrible, disgusting system. the republican party in a presidential sense doesn't win anymore. you pick your standard cookie cutters. i can tell you already just give me the name of the person and
i'll tell you exactly what states he's going to win and what states he's going to lose. i'm different because i'm going to win states that nobody else can. >> on the democratic side sanders and clinton are off the campaign trail today, but they will return to indiana tomorrow ahead of tuesday's primary. bernie sanders is getting ready now to attend the white house correspondents' dinner later tonight. and while hillary clinton is also taking a break today, former president bill clinton has three campaign events in indiana, one of which just wrapped up. and here's what he said moments ago tying his wife's economic message to his administration. >> this whole election comes down whether you believe we can all grow together again like we did in the 1990s when i had the honor to serve. i believe we can. and i believe that if you grow the economy from the middle out and help lift people from the bottom up, we'll all rise together and we won't be so mad at each other. >> let's get a little more now on the gop state convention in california ahead of the june 7th
primary there that could ultimately decide the nomination. nbc's scott kohn live for us in burlingame where the convention is going on right now. scott, a welcome to you. i know you've been talking with voters there. so what are you hearing? >> reporter: well, to some degree, alex, they're pinching themselves because this is not a role that california republicans are accustom to. four years ago at the gop convention in this state it happened in february but the only candidate to speak here was newt gingrich and his candidacy was on its last legs. this time as you said all the major candidates, trump, cruz and kasich are making appearances here. so to some degree they're relishing an importance they haven't had in the past. but they're also starting to talk about party unity. how does this party come together behind whoever is the eventual nominee. one trump supporter telling me the way to do that is to find a place for the other candidates. put ted cruz on the supreme court. find a place for john kasich in the administration, ben carson
and so on. but a cruz supporter suggesting that maybe some voters will just stay home if donald trump is the nominee and that that is going to be an issue. so that's something that they have to work out here. it's something that trump talked about when he spoke yesterday about whether he can win with or without a united party. ted cruz will have a different message when he speaks this afternoon. and his running mate, carly fiorina, speaking this evening, alex. >> all right. scott cohn there in burlingame. let's go to indiana now the state that could decide the race for the republican nomination and nbc's ron mott is checking the pulse of voters there. ron, are people fired up about tuesday? if so, what are they saying? >> reporter: hey there, alex. well, they are fired up. in fact, we have found a few people will, we'll get to them, fish our way through this crowd. we're at indiana comic-on. on tuesday they will go to vote
here for the first time in about 40 years where their votes could prove pivotal in deciding a presidential nominating contest. on the gop side donald trump is really trying to cement what appears to be a presumptive nominee at this point with 57 delegates up for grabs, all of them go to the winner. so we've got three people here. this is don ellis. don, who are you voting for on tuesday? >> it will be john kasich. >> reporter: why are you throwing your support to him? >> i don't like cruz's attitude. and i just don't like the way that trump has been handling things. and john kasich seems to have a positive attitude in a way he's presenting the stuff he wants to do. >> reporter: the question we ask all of the folks voting for ted cruz or john kasich, will you vote for donald trump if he's the nominee? >> i doubt it. >> reporter: doubt it. okay. next up, tell me your character? >> -- >> reporter: okay, and your name is? >> dani. >> reporter: you're voting for?
>> bernie sanders. >> reporter: why? >> he stands for my generation. i believe he's just an outstanding person and he actually understands like the needs of the current generation and how we're growing up in such honestly terrible situations. >> reporter: and he's way behind in the delegate count. are you able to support secretary clinton if she is the democratic nominee? >> i think so, yeah. >> reporter: okay. this is liv, you also voting for bernie sanders? >> that's correct. >> reporter: what about his message that seems to resonate with the younger voter? >> i think he's the most honest politician out there, as honest as a politician can be. and he stands for a lot of things that i really care about. >> reporter: nice ears. >> thanks. >> reporter: also, will you be able to vote for secretary clinton if she's the nominee? >> probably not. no. >> reporter: so there you have it, alex. we have a john kasich voter, a bernie sanders voters here, election on tuesday, matters this time around here in indiana. back to you. >> it's so interesting.
they seem very much involved with their particular candidate. they don't necessarily want to vote for somebody else. i'm curious, ron, because i know you're a fair reporter, could you not find somebody who was going to vote for donald trump? >> reporter: we have found one person, i think, who was throwing their support to donald trump, and we have yet to find anyone here throwing their support to secretary clinton. so i don't know what that says editorially, but we will continue to look for them this afternoon. >> okay. ron mott, thank you so much for that. meantime, hillary clinton puts her cards on the table in her latest ad hitting back at donald trump's comment that, quote, the only card she has is the womans card. >> she is playing that card like i have never seen anybody play it. ♪
>> let's bring in franceska chambers. ladies, good to see you both. sabrina, i'm going to get to you first. do you think we're seeing a preview of a clinton-trump election? sfwl absolutely. i think to appeal not just to the women who supported democrats in recent cycles which is single women, barack obama certainly overwhelmingly won that number in 2012 and 2008, but also among married women who have a traditionally supported republicans in larger numbers. and you now have polling that shows that at least 50% of republican women are saying that they cannot imagine voting for donald trump. so i think this is a line of attack you will continue to see from both clinton and her democratic allies. but also leading up to indiana i think you'll see even ted cruz having tapped carly fiorina as a running mate really trying to appeal to suburban women who are
critical of donald trump and who he was able to appeal to in wisconsin after donald trump's comments on punishing women on abortions. so i think on both sides you're going to see these comments potentially hurt donald trump. >> do you think if and when he has to pivot to a general election, sabrina, that he can rehabilitate himself with this voting block? or is it lost? >> well, i think that it's hard to imagine him pivoting because at this point there's a series of comments you saw in that ad it went from abortion to the comments about playing the women card and also just he's had that infamous fight with megyn kelly and made a string of comments many women find sexist. it's hard to imagine how he would plan to pivot when so many women have such an unfavorable view of him. there was one poll out the other day that showed 70% of women across the country have an unfavorable view of donald trump. that's very hard to reverse in very little time. >> uh-huh, yeah, and to be effective with it. okay. bernie sanders had a tough week and laying off more than 200
staffers. do you get the sense it's the beginning of the end for him? >> well, bernie sanders says he's not getting out of this race, that every person in every state should have the right to vote. he says he will stay in through california, possibly even until the convention. but you have seen this week a shift in the way that bernie sanders has been talking at his events. in the past he would attack secretary clinton relentlessly on trade, on her wall street contributions, on those transcripts. now he's started to focus a little bit more on the bigger picture, on the issues that he would like to see in the democratic party's platform and the direction that he'd like to see the democratic party go in. now, he says again that he's going to compete hard for every vote, but it's easy to see if you're listening to what he's saying that his campaign is shifting in the direction of focusing on where he wants the party to go. and making sure he's had a lasting effect. >> yeah. but francesca, the fact he's
staying in the race at this point, do you think he's at all hurting clinton's general election chances by staying in so long? >> well, the clinton campaign has said that they're fine with him staying in even though they think it's very obvious at this point that she will be the democratic nominee based on the number of pledge delegates she has and the number of super delegates that say they will be voting for her at the convention. all that they've been asking is that he back away from those assaults on her character and on the policy issues that i was just talking about. and he has stepped back from those. so at this point if he continues to focus on the issues that he's concerned about, the minimum wage, trade, et cetera, it might not actually affect her anymore. but donald trump has been seizing on the things he's already said about hillary clinton now, so the damage may have already been done. >> you know, sabrina, if clinton is the nominee and sanders backers don't shift their support to her just like we saw with that one woman that ron mott was interviewing just
before we got to this segment, she said she was a sanders supporter but she didn't think she could vote for hillary clinton in a general election. talk about how problematic that could be for her. >> well, i think it depends on who her opponent is. if it's donald trump, then there's real opportunity for hillary clinton to make inroads not just with the coalition of voters that typically lean democratic, but also of course with independents and potentially some republicans. we were just talking about women and there are some republican women who in polling have said they could see themselves supporting hillary clinton if the opponent is donald trump. when it comes to bernie and his supporters, i think it depends on the tone he takes himself in the remaining weeks of the primary. if he chooses to start to try and rally his supporters around hillary clinton and her candidacy, especially as she assumes the democratic nomination, then i think there is an opportunity to change their mind. they really will look to him as a leader of the revolution that he's created in the grassroots. but it depends on the tone and
it depends on if he's willing to shift, i think, away from the personal attacks he's made in attacking her on the issues even when it looks like she will be the nominee. but i don't know how sizable that share is of voters who are saying they wouldn't support her. ultimately they do tend to come home to the nominee. that's been the tradition thus far. >> yeah, but even if he doesn't win the nomination, do you think he will have a lasting impact in shaping the future of the nktic party? >> he does have a sizable number of delegates who at the democratic national convention will be able to help shift what the party platform says, perhaps bring it more to the left. but to speak to the point about whether or not his supporters will get in line, i talked to a great number of them at his rallies over the last week asking them that exact question, and there were mixed opinions. some people said he should get in line behind the democratic party nominee, but there were also a lot of his supporters who said they were never democrats in the first place. he was never originally a
democrat in the first place. and they don't think he should necessarily have to endorse hillary clinton. he could endorse her ideas in which he agrees with her on some of the issues, but not necessarily endorse her. >> okay. but did those people say they just wouldn't vote? or what? >> some of them suggests that they just wouldn't vote. it was very interesting as i talked to them and their friends around them would say but donald trump could become the president if you don't vote. so wouldn't hillary clinton be better than that? and if that argument was made, some of them then were saying, yes, she would be better than donald trump. so it's true that they may get behind hillary clinton in the end if trump is the nominee. >> all right. thank you, ladies. >> thank you. >> thank you. trump reveals his ideas on foreign policy saying the u.s. needs to be, quote, unpredictable. how realistic are these plans? that discussion next. with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one.
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republican presidential front-runner donald trump is beginning to show voters what a trump administration could look like in a written formal speech this week. he began by outlining what he believes are the five main weaknesses in this nation's foreign policy. first, our resources are totally overextended. secondly, our allies are not paying their fair share. thirdly, our friends are beginning to think they can't depend on us. fourth, our rivals no longer respect us. finally, america no longer has a clear understanding of our foreign policy goals. >> let's bring in mark. my question, you just heard his summation of our foreign policy weaknesses, what do you think of
them? >> it's phony foreign policy wrapped up in a bumper sticker. the fact of the matter is the american people do deserve a foreign policy they can respect and admire. anyone can write a speech. the question is whether or not it's a practical policy. but it really when you get down to it and i've dissected his speech, it's neoisolationism at its worst. he wants the allies to carry a burden -- look, the allies need to carry some burden, but it needs to have american leadership. and what most concerns me about the speech is that while there were points that would appeal to the american people, there were so many lies and misrepresentations about mrs. clinton and her own role in foreign policy that it almost denigrated the respect that the speech otherwise should have deserved. >> interesting. something donald trump also said was that he would defeat isis. and here's how. take a listen. >> we must, as a nation, be more unpredictable. we are totally predictable. we tell everything. we're sending troops, we tell them, we're sending something
else, we have a news conference. we have to be unpredictable. and we have to be unpredictable starting now. >> so unpredictable, is that sound foreign policy? i get you don't want to lay a map out to what the military analysts are saying or military leaders are saying this is exactly what we're going to do, like, hi, strike is here. we get that. but unpredictable is what in his mind, do you think? >> i don't know. maybe he's trying to borrow the old adage speak softly and carry a big stick. that is something that i think the american people would understand more. it's easy to throw these slogans out and these words to public and it makes it sound good, but look, when it comes to isis -- and alex, you know i've spent a lot of time on the issue of isis and our role in trying to vanquish it, the issue is not unpredictability when it comes to isis or how many troops on the ground. it's a sound strategy in which the military buys in. mr. trump does not understand
the rightful role as commander in chief. in defeating isis it's not merely a question of not predicting how many troops we're going to have on the ground. it's bringing muslim countries into the fight. it's having them have the boots on the ground. it's having our allies engage in the type of counterterrorism policies necessary. pity the poor soul who will be his secretary of state. >> trump has also said that the main theme of his foreign policy will be america first. is that a practical approach to foreign policy in the 21st century? >> no. look, it sounded nice in the 1930s after the world war i was over with, it sounded nice when herbert hoover was president and calvin coolidge. if mr. trump wants to emulate herbert hoover, go after it. but the fact is at a time when china is flexing muscles in the south pacific, when mr. putin is viewed by every one of our
national security advisors -- i'm not talking political advisors, but russia's aggression and expansionism is viewed as the number one threat to the united states. well, mr. trump doesn't understand that at all. unfortunately he doesn't get it. >> did you find anything redeeming in his foreign policy speech? >> yes. there were important points that i could totally agree with. the idea that our allies are not shouldering a sufficient financial burden to support nato is absolutely true. they should be devoting at least 2% to 5% of their gdp to supporting nato. and many of them have not stepped up to the plate. so that is a valid point. but let me also say that while he made some of those important points, the idea that he could accuse mrs. clinton of not being responsible in benghazi is laughable and contemptible. those of us who've worked on north africa and on benghazi know that mr. trump is trying to set the stage for an accusation that is unfair, inappropriate and shows that he's really lying here. no one else. >> okay.
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♪ i could get used to this. now you can, with the luxuriously transformed 2016 lexus es and es hybrid. ♪ new this hour, donald trump getting another capitol hill endorsement. and it comes from jimmy duncan, a republican from tennessee. he is one of the most senior republicans in the house and the last remaining gop member who voted against the iraq war. his endorsement adds to recent high profile gop officials who have thrown their support behind the front-runner. joining me now molly cooper, capitol hill reporter, let's get right into it here. is this in direct response you think to trump's five-state victory this week? or do you think it would have happened either way? >> i think it's partially in response to the five-state victory, but i also think it has to do with the speech trump gave earlier this week on foreign
policy. keep in mind as you said jimmy duncan was one of the few republicans to vote against the iraq war. and in his endorsement of donald trump said that he supports donald trump in part because he doesn't want to invest millions and trillions and billions of dollars in no-win wars in the middle east. i think that the five-state sweep definitely helped it. it helped, you know, it helped give lawmakers who were hesitant to stick their necks out that added oomph so to speak to actually get onboard and make their endorsement official. >> yeah, like a momentum thing. do you think this indicates some lawmakers are really coming around to the idea of trump's--n i think the republicans the core group of lawmakers about seven lawmakers until this past tuesday have been using this argument that guess what this guy, donald trump, he's likely to be our nominee.
we need to unite behind him. and guess what, he's finally reaching out to us with a campaign team that has weekly meetings on capitol hill. he actually wants to surround himself with the best people. and, you know, there's a lot of experts up on capitol hill, a lot of lawmakers who focus on issues like a veterans affairs committee chairman jeff miller who endorsed this past week who can really actually, you know, influence donald trump's specific policy prescriptions. >> so i know you've covered capitol hill for quite a while now. so what about john boehner's remarks on ted cruz this week? do they move the needle at all? >> i think that john boehner -- i think that the country was able to see what john boehner is like behind closed doors. he's a reverend. he's a fun guy to be around. you talk to lawmakers on capitol hill in his inner circle, he tells great stories, but he doesn't tell them on camera. he doesn't do it to air dirty
laundry. and i don't know if it necessarily moves the needle either way. but it just gives you a glimpse of what john boehner is thinking. >> okay. look, there are of course plenty of gop holdouts not throwing their support behind donald trump at this point. in an article your colleagues quote one advisor who says, quote, out of over 300 republicans in congress, a small handful have now reluctantly agreed to hear from donald trump's staff. molly, what do you expect moving forward? do you think there's going to be a lot of gop congressional types who never endorse donald trump? >> i actually think that there's going to be more interest in terms of going to those meetings. the campaign, the donald trump campaign has weekly meetings, as i've said. a lot of them are information mall. i'm not sure we'll see too many people sticking their neck out to make an official endorsement because keep in mind once a member makes an endorsement official, they have to back up everything that donald trump says. and a lot of those members are nervous without knowing, you know, what's going to come out of trump's mouth next.
you know, his remarks about hispanics, his remarks about women. once i say, hey, i'm endorsing donald trump, i have to backup whatever he says. however, i think that there is a lot of interest in talking to the trump campaign because members want to see how the operation's going to go moving forward. because once trump becomes the official nominee then they have to get on board. and i think that their comfort level will be much greater once they understand how the campaign is actually organized. because until now congress has just been seen or portrayed by trump as the whipping boy. but now he's actually going to need their help should he become the president of the united states. >> okay. the hill's molly hooper. molly, thank you so much. >> thank you. who has the momentum in indiana, is it ted cruz or donald trump? we're going to talk about that with reporter from that state, plus what the latest polls are showing. (man) hmm. what do you think? ♪
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let's take a quick look at where all the candidates are today. ted cruz will speak at the california republican party state convention, as will his v.p. pick carly fiorina. john kasich will also be in the golden state campaigning in san jose. donald trump is off the campaign trail. on the democratic side hillary clinton is also taking a break although former president bill clinton has three campaign events in indiana, the first of which he wrapped up not too long ago. bernie sanders also has no events as he prepares to attend the white house correspondents' dinner tonight. joining me now msnbc's alex, another good day to you, before we get to more serious news, what do you hear about sanders going to the big dinner tonight? is this something he's done in the past? is this part of his campaign? how is it being read? >> right, alex. bit of an unusual move for bernie sanders, the 74-year-old democratic conservative. did not own a suit, i hear he's not wearing a tuxedo because he also does not wear a tux though maybe they rented one
last-minute. but i think for him this campaign has offered him a lot of unusual opportunities that he wouldn't have had previously he got to go to the vatican, he's done a lot of sunday talk shows and got his name out there. and maybe this is just another one of those kinds of opportunities. >> so, alex, hillary clinton we were just told in this last hour or so has addeden an event in indiana tomorrow. what do you read into that? >> well, i mean she definitely feels like she has the nomination wrapped up. they've stopped spending any money on television advertisements in the remaining states in the primary calendar. they're putting those staffers in the general election states. but i still think she wants to kind of decisively finish this out. bernie sanders is very close with her in indiana. it's demographically a state he could do well in. so they're putting bill clinton there. she's going to go there and maybe try to close the gap a little bit because she still wants to close this out as strong as she possibly can, alex. >> okay. alex, thank you very much. we're going to head back to indiana now with just three days until this crucial primary there.
the state is key for ted cruz as well as the stop trump movement. joining me now former republican mayor of ft. wayne, indiana, and professor at the indiana university of public and environmental affairs, paul, welcome to you, sir. you say neither republican candidate, donald trump nor ted cruz is really a good fit for indiana. why? >> well, indiana republicans really are different than others nationally. we don't like the helen brimstone or the pitchfork waving sorts of approaches. our successful politicians have been folks like richard lugger, dan coates who are conservatives but not yelling and screaming and get people shook up. so trump coming in with his new york -- is something that doesn't quite fit. and ted cruz with his sort of texas preacher style doesn't really fit either. it's a tough fit. john kasich certainly is more the type of politician people
here in indiana are used to. >> what is the support there for him? >> for kasich? >> yeah. >> well, of course they had their so-called alliance and he hasn't been in this state. but for the kasich supporters that i talk to it's tough. they don't like cruz or trump. i've talked to a number of kasich people who if they're going to vote for one of those two are more likely to probably vote for trump than cruz. if they're part of the political sort of class that's gaming this out for the convention, they might vote for cruz as a stop trump measure. but kasich's still on the ballot here, so i think a lot are still going to pull the kasich lever. >> what about indiana in terms of being the last chance for the stop trump movement? >> well, cruz is really hitting the state hard. i think trump is still ahead, but cruz has been in every town of every size watching television last night i think there were ten cruz ads for every one trump ad. people were getting anti-trump
mailers yesterday and over this weekend. so cruz is out there working it hard. and people do like the retail politics, shaking hands, eating ice cream in columbus, indiana, taking the selfies mainly with the voters after a speech in ft. wayne. people like that sort of thing. i think it humanizes cruz. it shows he cares about the state. he's got a lot of momentum coming in here. there was one poll yesterday that showed cruz up by 16. it's hard for me to believe that. there was another poll yesterday that showed trump up by six. i think it's a toss up election. and cruz is pushing it hard. >> i know you've talked about supporters of bernie sanders and donald trump. you've compared them to, quote, realists on the left and the right. so what do you mean by that? >> well, it's i think -- and i teach a lot of undergrads mainly first-year students. and i've got a lot that are just enthused with sanders. they like the we can have a better world. but i think, you know, so they're not really looking at, you know, what's really going to get the job done necessarily.
they don't like the idea that you have to compromise and realize that politics and government is a dirty business sometimes. on the right it's the same sort of thing, trump is sort of like i've got the answers, i can do this, we know you're afraid of the future, concerned about the future. vote for me. so i think both trump and sa sanders are appealing to sort of this dream that different dreams perhaps, but dreams that people have that this individual alone is pretty much going to make the world, the country a better place. i think, you know, but cruz doesn't really capture more of the realist vote necessarily either. but certainly hillary clinton does. it makes it tough for indiana voters. they're concerned about the future. they're concerned about what their kids and grand kids are going to have, whether the economy's strong, whether the country's going to be safe. and i think that's part of the sanders appeal and the trump appeal. but i see both of those races as being very close. it could be a toss-up on both sides on tuesday. >> we shall see. current professor and former
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unity, relationship, friendship, there should be and there has to be unity. now, with that being said, would i win, can i win without it? i think so to be honest. i think so. >> let's bring in professor of history in public affairs at princeton university and author of "the fierce urgency of now." let's get right into it here. is it too late for trump to be preaching solidarity? can he get enough del gets to hit 1,237 by july? >> yeah, he still can. it's still possible but it's going to be close. where he's losing is not in each primary, it's in these conventions where delegates are being selected and ted cruz is doing quite well. so he has to reach that number because if he doesn't, on a second or third ballot in a convention, he could be in
trouble. >> how unique is that where a popular vote my say one thing but you put the delegates together and they say we're going to veer somewhere else. >> it's unusual. part of it is the front-runner has no organization an ground game to speak of. it's not interested him, he's been focused on the media and i do think he puts himself in a bit of jeopardy. again, he still is doing well and it's very likely he'll have almost enough votes going into the convention meaning in the final few weeks he can try to charm the delegates and win over uncommitted delegates to support him. >> how important is indiana for both donald trump and ted cruz? >> well, it's very important. if donald trump wins in indiana, i think ted cruz will have a very difficult path forward. i think in some ways his campaign will be over and so it's essential for ted cruz to win that. i think if he wins, he will have
the ability to sustain this argument that on a second or third ballot, he's the candidate for the gop. >> let's check out the democratic side here. has bernie sanders become a bit of an obstacle to the democratic party's overall success in november? >> not yet. i think overall he's brought in new voices to the party, he's brought in important ideas that have animated a lot of the primaries, but we are reaching a point where he'll have to reconcile himself, as will his supporters, will hillary clinton. because if not, it could be a divisive post-primary period. and hillary clinton will need his supporters. she'll need that organization and need him to avoid the kind of divisions that in 1968 really hurt the democrat. >> we're looking at "politico magazine" that says even if bernie sanders drops out, he could ve a big impact beyond, something like eugene mccarthy in '68. is there anything sanders should
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