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trump movement may be at hand. >> the men and women here are going to decide the. the course of this battle. not just for indiana and not just for the republican party. but for the entire country. >> less than 24 hours now until the polls open in the hoosier state. the numbers for ted cruz, they are grim. our new nbc news "wall street journal" marist poll now has cruz 15 points behind trump. now pretty much in need of a miracle if he's going to pull it out tomorrow. cruz sprinting across the state of indiana today. he's got ten events in less than 12 hours, set to make his first appearance very shortly. we're going to bring you that as it happens in what may be his last chance to turn this race around. also on the agenda this morning, the coming battle taking shape. >> we cannot let barack obama's legacy fall into donald trump's hands!
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>> so if trump does roll in indiana tomorrow, the stage will then be set for a general election showdown that no one could have predicted a year ago. and hillary clinton is getting her attacks for that ready. but brings us to our last point in our agenda this morning. bernie sanders, he is saying not so fast. he's saying the democrats are going to have a contested convention of their own this summer. >> it is virtually impossible for secretary clinton to reach the majority of convention delegates by june 14th with pledged delegates alone. >> and sanders does have a point there. but there is also a precedent here involving barack obama and hillary clinton that bernie sanders probably doesn't want to talk about. we're going to explain that in just a minute. but we are going to begin with our top story, the final full day of campaigning in indiana now getting under way. and ted cruz and the entire stop trump movement are bracing for what really could be the death blow. our nbc news "wall street
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journal" marist poll finds trump ahead 49-34 in indiana. you see john kasich still a factor there, despite not campaigning in the state for the past week. in this poll, we should tell you, it was taken after ted cruz and john kasich announced that deal, where kasich would pull out of indiana. and it is a deal that according to our poll, did not sit well with indiana republicans, may very well have back fired on ted cruz. that's what the numbers are showing. the poll also was mostly taken after cruz announced that carly fiorina would be his running mate. absolutely no sign of any kind of boost for ted cruz from that big event in the past week. now, cruz down double digits as we say in need of an upset to avoid what by all reasonable standards would be a devastating loss tomorrow for his campaign and for anyone trying to deny trump the nomination. and the "new york times" reporting our poll matches what the cruz campaigning is seeing
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intermittently, as well, in its own polling. our reporters are out in the field this morning, covering the fine scramble in the hoosier state. casey hut in indianapolis on the stop trump beat. jacob rascon in caramel, indiana. casey hunt, let's go to you in indianapolis. the numbers can be wrong sometimes. but it would take, really -- really a pretty much miracle right now for ted cruz with these kind of numbers to pull it out tomorrow. what is the -- where are the stop trump forces telling you about what tomorrow is going to bring and where they go after that, casey? >> reporter: steve, good morning. i will say, there are some people who believe that that poll number is a little bit wider than what we might see as the final margin. but there doesn't seem to be much of dispute that trump is definitely ahead here in indiana. that that pact between cruz and kasich may have back fired, and this could be the last full day of campaigning for the stop trump movement.
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now, of course, they are out in force here in indiana, club for growth, our principles pact, never trump, the last couple days. they're certainly trying their best, you talk to them on the phone, they say we're focused on california, a long-term strategy. this definitely is the overblown, the last stand. but the reality s the republican party itself, you can hear it in these statements that we never expected. jon huntsman out today saying he thinks the republican party should unify behind donald trump. marco rubio making conciliatory sounds where, of course, we had previously heard him not be willing to commit to supporting the republican nominee. that's also a switch. and it's really just difficult to see how these paths continue to exist. i will say, i've talked to a number of establishment republicans, people who have been around the party for a long time who insist that there still is a way to prevent trump from getting 1,237, and winning on the floor of the convention. but it's just not clear that the
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backbone is there. and every time donald trump wins another state, especially by these wide margins, it makes it harder and harder for people to argue that the parties shouldn't unify behind it. i think the real question is going to be, if trump falls a few delegates short and the question of how far that is one that's being debated pretty intensely by a lot of these people that i talk to. is there a willingness to deny him the nomination. i think the narrative around that and the conversations around that might be just as important, because my sense is that people are less willing than they used to be to take what are becoming more extreme measures to stop him. steve? >> yeah, definitely starting to feel that way, casey. also an open question, how many republican voters ever were fully on board with the idea of fighting trump all the way to the end on this. that's going to be the subject of our number of the day in a little bit. but kasie hunt in indianapolis, thank you for that. nbc's jacob rascon in caramel,
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indiana. trump is going to be there later today. jacob, donald trump here, he knows what the stakes are in indiana. he's been saying, look, if i can get a win here, we can end this thing. he's had bobby knight out there, campaigning for him the last week. what are we expecting on this final day from donald trump? >> reporter: yeah, so he said many times before that if i win this state, then the race is over. he said that in florida. he said that about ohio. many times. but this time, he may be actually correct. in that if he wins indiana, it's over. and -- we're looking for that big confidence from him. but yesterday, i have to say, in his two rallies in indiana, he kind of meandered and wasn't as sharp in the last couple weeks he's been 35 minutes or so. sharp message. but yesterday in his two rallies, he went on and on and spoke for an hour, both times. now he's got two rallies today. his first is right here. we already have our first in line. this is david. david, i'll sit with you here.
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i notice you're reading "crippleled america." and you told me for the second time, correct? >> the second time reading it. i'm on chapter 2, our unbiased political media. >> reporter: got it. and what draws you to trump? why show up seven hours in advance in a suit? >> trump is a business person that can take the united states from the negative into the positive. >> reporter: yeah. do you usually vote republican? >> i've gone both ways. >> reporter: yeah. you've gone both ways. how is your feeling about how he's doing in indiana? >> i hope he's doing good. because if he gets indiana, he's got the whole thing on the republican side. >> reporter: he's got the whole thing, yeah. and you have many hours to read a big book before the rally starts.
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we'll walk over here, if you don't mind. maybe you were first in line. what's your name, sir? >> terrence gleeson. >> reporter: what brings you out so many hours early to the trump rally? >> to be first in line. >> reporter: and why? >> oh, i would like to hopefully get a picture with him and meet him. i want to shake his hand. don't really get to talk too long. >> reporter: so here in indiana, why not cruz? >> well, i'll be totally honest with you. i live in cincinnati, ohio. and i voted for cruz in ohio. that's over with. super tuesday. but now i've already voted. trump is fine with me. he'll be just as good. the only reason i voted for ted cruz over donald trump was one reason. trump said take the flag down in south carolina. and cruz said states rights. and that's why he got my vote. but trump will be just fine. >> reporter: he'll be just fine. okay. >> i'm gladly supporting trump. >> reporter: okay. there you have it from the first two in line for the caramel, indiana rally today at 4:00, steve. >> and jacob, i think that says
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it all. that guy you just talked to right there, a ted cruz voter, just a few weeks ago, now is the first in line hours ahead of time to go see donald trump. that whole idea from the stop trump movement, that anybody who wasn't with trump a few weeks ago is never going to be with trump. you just found pretty good evidence that that's not necessarily the case. >> reporter: there you go. right here, steve. pretty incredible that you would come all the way over here to be first in line, and just because of that one issue. >> well, no, that's why i voted for ted cruz. is just because of that one issue. otherwise i would have voted for trump in ohio. >> reporter: and are you no longer confident that cruz can actually get the nomination? >> i don't know. nobody knows yet. but it doesn't look very good. >> reporter: confidence dropping for cruz, at least from this gentleman. thanks, steve. >> all right, jacob in indiana. thank you for that. let's turn now to norm orenstein, long-time election
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watcher and analyst. wrote a great piece in the "atlantic" called the eight causes of trumpism. so norm, we have arrived at this moment. it feels to me we're now at sort of the point in this where we're realizing there were a lot more republicans out there who maybe weren't with trump at the beginning, but who are now okay with coming on board the bandwagon. >> absolutely, steve. and i think it's even more than that. we're starting to see a lot of these elites who are looking at a couple prospects. it's either trump gets to 1,237 delegates before the convention and you avoid a disaster in cleveland, or he falls just short. and if he's denied the nomination, it's an even bigger disaster in cleveland. so we're starting to see a lot of people come around and find virtue where before they saw only vice. and i think we're going to see this bandwagon continue all the way up through june 7th. >> you hear that rallying cry, "never trump." and some people who have been mocking it and looking for all of the potential ways out.
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the escape hatches. how many, though -- how many republicans at the end of the day, do you think are going to stick to that, all the way through november and be never trump? >> i think it's going to be never mind never trump for an awful lot of them. we're clearly going to have some. and it's going to be a really interesting crisis of conscience for people like ben sas of nebraska who has really led this effort. lindsey graham, are they going to end up supporting a candidate who they said is an utter disaster? and, of course, there are plenty of people outside the political process. the george wills of the world who basically said we're better off losing and trying to rebuild the republican party. so the televisions are still going to be there. and the at your multiis going to be there within the party. but i think what you're going to see, because we're in such a tribal atmosphere, steve. this was the whole point really of our -- my book with tom man. even worse than it looks. it's tribalism now. they rally no matter who the leader is. and we're going to see most of
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them swallow hard and support him up until november. and then put a lot of effort. i think the koch brothers and allies are going to end up hundreds of millions of dollars trying to get people who don't like trump to turn out at the polls and vote for republicans for the house and senate and for the state houses. >> so we say, if trump does get this win in indiana tomorrow, really will set the stage for a trump versus clinton general election. hillary clinton picking up on that over the weekend. last night in detroit, she previewed some of the lines of attacks she would use against him. let's play that for a second. >> the leading republican contender is the man who led the insidious birther movement to discredit the president's citizenship. we cannot let barack obama's legacy fall into donald trump's hands! >> speaking at the naacp there in detroit. but norm, a clinton versus trump contest. look, on paper, we're seeing all
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these polls right now that put clinton way ahead, saying oh, donald trump, this is going to be the weakest nominee any party has put together. but when you talk about tribalism, does that mean for all the weaknesses we're seeing now, when we get to the fall, we'll see a closer race? >> it could very easily be a closer race. i think, you know, trump may start with a floor of around 45 or 46%. we're not in a situation when we had bear barry goldwater lose 49 states. the states are still more firmly red and blue in many instances. and, you know, we may see that there are some people in polls who don't support trump who end up supporting him, because they're embarrassed to say it right now. you could have events that will change matters dramatically. i don't think it's a slam dunk. and yet at the same time, when you have donald trump just a couple days ago saying i love geraldo rivera, he would help
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win the spanish vote. i don't think that's going to help in winning overish-american voters. >> we always use this word, almost a cliche, pivot to the general election. is he capable? one thing we have seen him do in the republican primaries, he started out a year ago. most republicans said they would never vote for trump. a year ago. i remember the number was only 23%, said they would even look at it. now that number is well over 60. so he did change his image with republicans. is he capable of doing that outside the republican universe? >> i think the pivot is going to be a whole lot harder. and among other things, even if he tries to tone down his rhetoric, which is going to be hard for him to do and i think his ego is get to get another enormous boost as he wins the nomination. he can't pivot away from building the wall and making mexico pay for it. bringing china to its knees by threatening 35 or 40% tariffs on everything they produce. and some of the other inflammatories things he said. that's going to be a problem for
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him. and whether he will take advice from others -- remember, when he brought on professionals a couple weeks ago and began to change the way he was focusing on things, that didn't work very well and he went back to his old style. so my guess is, this is going to be a difficult pivot for him. and it's going to be a little difficult for people who havend never trump with a straight face to support him handily. so this is still an uphill battle in terms of the general election. but anybody who thinks that it's all over is mistaken. >> all right. norm ornstein, thanks for the time this morning. appreciate it. >> sure, steve. and coming up, i have been looking forward to this one for a while. hoosiers! this happens to be my favorite movie of all-time. it also happens to be a central player in this week's indiana primary campaign. thanks to ted cruz and president obama even getting in on the fun over the weekend. we're going to talk to the writer and director of the classic 1986 movie, all about indiana and its love of sports.
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also, bernie sanders. he could get a win tomorrow in indiana. he is saying it will be a contested convention this summer. before they vote in, antenna, indiana, he was in for the correspondent's dinner and president obama had a little fun with the campaign. >> bernie, you look like a million bucks. you look like 37,000 donations of $27 each. ugh! heartburn! no one burns on my watch!
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it is virtually impossible for secretary clinton to reach the majority of convention delegates by june 14th with pledged delegates alone. she will need superdelegates to take her over the top at the convention in philadelphia.
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in other words, the convention will be a contested contest. >> that was bernie sanders speaking at the national press club in washington on sunday, vowing to stay in the race until the democratic convention in july, and suggesting that that race is still wide open on the democratic side. what he's describing there, though, it may sound familiar to you, if you've been following politics for a while. it's actually pretty much exactly what happened back in 2008. back then, the magic number to clinch the democratic no, ma'am thanks. this was the hillary clinton/barack obama fight. the number was 2,118. and when the primaries ended that year in 2008, neither clinton nor obama had enough support from pledged delegates to clinch the nomination. barack obama had 1,764. hillary clinton had 1,640. both of them well short of the magic number. that's pretty much the situation sanders is saying is going to happen this time around. but here's the key point from
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2008. back then, when those primaries ended, obama still had more commitments from superdelegates. and here's the key part. clinton didn't try to overturn that. didn't try to convince those superdelegates to change their mind. her reasoning? obama had won the pledge delegate count in the primary season. she recognized there was no appetite for her party to keep that fight going all the way to the convention. >> today, as i suspend my campaign, i congratulate him on the victory he has won and the extraordinary race he has run. i endorse him, and throw my full support behind him! >> so even if the situation sanders is describing does play out, and neither he nor hillary clinton has a pledge delegate majority at the end of the primary season, in june, it is hard, based on what happened in 2008 to see the democratic party any more eager this time to fight this out all the way to a
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convention. to find them any more eager than they were eight years ago when they weren't eager at all. sanders also argued that superdelegates in states where one can't received a vast majority of the popular vote should support the winner. but he says in many places that isn't happening. >> in the state of washington, we won that caucus with almost 73% of this vote. but at this point, secretary clinton has ten superdelegates. from the state of washington, we have zero. in minnesota, we won the caucus there with 61% of the vote. hillary clinton has 11 superdelegates. we have three. in colorado, we won that state with 59% of the vote, pretty strong margin. secretary clinton has ten superdelegates, we have zero.
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>> so what sanders is saying there, the superdelegates should honor the will of the voters in the states that they come from. so we did the math on that. we went back to the states that sanders has won. we also went back to the states that clinton has won. we gave them each all of the superdelegates for the states that they won. and even when you do that, check this out. clinton still ends up with 386 superdelegates. to only 134 for bernie sanders. a lead of more than 250 right there. and that's not even counting the more than 300 pledge delegates that she's already ahead of him by. you combine those two things, what does it add up to? it adds up to a near impossibility for bernie sanders to catch her. that's even giving him all of the superdelegates in every single one of the states he has won so far, as he was just describing there. joining us now from ft. wayne, indiana, nbc's chris jansing. she has more on the democratic candidates. chris, that was a pretty defiant
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statement from bernie sanders on sunday in the face of all of that. he is still talking taking this to the convention. >> reporter: without a doubt. so there is the math and there is the messaging. and the message that you're sure to hear today, and bernie sanders has three events here in indiana, as he fights, because this is a race that is too close to call. you're going to hear him talk about a couple of things. one is that there is still a path. however slim it is. the second thing is, that he believes that the system is rigged. and part of that rigged system has to do with those superdelegates. how can he argue against it if he's going to essentially succumb to it? it is clear that the pivot that we thought he had made at the end of last week where he was talking more about how he was going to influence the platform has done an about-face again with him, as you pointed out yesterday in front of the national press club, talking about this contested convention. he's also going to be talking more and more about how he is the strongest candidate against trump, which the polls show on
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these one-to-one hypothetical match-ups, he exceeds hillary clinton. having said that, you don't get the nomination by head-to-head match-up polls. and so hillary clinton, for her part, is already making the switch. something, frankly, that some of the democrats that i've talked to are a little bit nervous about. they don't want her necessarily making the total switch. they're worried about the fact that if he would win indiana, say. if he makes a strong showing, as he will in many western states, winning some even in california, that it strengthens his message for a contested convention. but listen to her having already made the pivot to the general, just yesterday. >> we got some candidates in this race who are trying to divide us. we've got some candidates in this race who are stoking hatred and inciting violence. we've got some candidates in this race who are trying to set
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americans against one another. we've got some candidates in this race who act as though americans have no memory. to hold all of us accountable. ask the hard questions. we deserve leaders who will tear down barriers, not build walls between us. >> reporter: so there she is, testing out those general election arguments, something she has been doing for a little while now. what keeps bernie sanders going? crowds like this you see hours. i think it's five hours until his event. winding around here. and also the fact that he does still have money, even though his fund-raising last month was down 40%. still in terms of going straight into his could havers, he was about on par with hillary clinton, even though she raised another $9.5 million for democratic candidates. so he has the money, he gets
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energy from crowds like this. and the message you're going to hear today is all the way to the convention, steve. >> from his stand point, chris, i can't understand. you look at a crowd like that, waiting in the rain and you probably do feel you owe them to stick this thing out as long as you can. chris jansing in ft. wane. thanks for that. other political news to tell you about. malia obama is going to harvard. in a statement, president obama and the first lady announcing that their oldest daughter will be attending the ivy league school in the fall of 2017. not the fall of 2016. this will be a year after she graduates from high school. no reason was given for the so-called gap year. but the move could keep malia closer to her home as her family prepares to transition from the white house and back to private life next year. president obama joking about his daughter at the white house correspondents' dinner this weekend, gave no hint of the news about her college choice, though. >> a lot of folks have been surprised by the bernie phenomenon. especially his appeal to young
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people. but not me. i get it. just recently, a young person came up to me and said, she was sick of politicians standing in the way of her dreams. as if we were actually going to let malia go to burning man this year. [ laughter ] was not going to happen. all right. and coming up, ted cruz and john kasich continue to assert that i amajority of voters, republican voters, will never vote for donald trump. that's what they say. a majority party won't be with him. but more and more republicans seem to be becoming comfortable with the idea of voting for trump. just how comfortable is our most important number of the day, and it's next.
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>> that is the line you have been hearing over and over again. it was carly fiorina there. you've heard ted cruz say ait. you've basically heard every one of donald trump's opponents use this line. everyone who doesn't want him to be the republican nominee used this line. they have looked at every state where he's run, and they have said, hey, trump got 35% of the vote here. well, that means 65% of republicans don't want him to be the nominee. that has been the foundational principle for the stop trump movement. and yet -- and yet we don't think it's accurate, and it takes us to our most important number of the day, which is 61. and 61 is probably the most important number in the republican race for president right now. because what is 61? 61 is the percentage of republicans who are telling us in our own nbc news "wall street journal" poll, telling us the last time we asked this question, they could see themselves supporting donald trump as their nominee. to give him the nomination.
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61%. now this number has been flirting somewhere in the 60s for a little while now. here's the interesting thing about this number. when donald trump got in this race a year ago, the number was 23%. when he started running for president as a republican, it was true, according to our poll, that the majority of republicans couldn't even see themselves supporting him. but as he's run this campaign, as he said everything he said, as it's all played out the way it's played out, the number has risen. it's risen dramatically. is and for a while now, in our poll, we have been seeing this. a clear majority of republicans, over 60%, say they may not be voting for him today, but they could eventually see themselves supporting him for the republican nomination. and that seems to be what's the story of the republican race right now. we see it in indiana. first of all, on paper, indiana looked like a toss-up state. looked like cruz had a good chance of winning the state. cruz in his campaign felt that way. why they camped out here a long
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time ago. and yet our most recent poll out yesterday has trump up by 15 points. that suggests that some people who weren't originally for cruz in indiana have started moving his way. here's another big piece of evidence on that same poll. look at this. take john kasich out of this. now if the never trump people are right, and everybody who is not for trump now is never going to be for trump, then all that kasich support should go to cruz. but it doesn't. look at that. donald trump moves over 50%, still a double digit lead over ted cruz. what this is showing you is that trump sealing in this republican race has always been much higher than the stop trump forces have been saying. it is, according to our poll, and this is about a month old now. according to our poll, the last time we asked this, it stood at 61%. and it looks like in states like indiana, donald trump is starting to creep up toward that number. and that, if you're ted cruz or if you're anyone who assistant want to see donald trump get the republican nomination, that
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should be the most frightening number of all to you. and it is our most important number of the day today. coming up on the show, another historic moment in the newly expanding relationship between the united states and cuba. the very first cruise ship between the two nations in more than half a century, docking in havana within the last hour. nbc's kerry sanders managed to get a ticket for the ride. he is going to join us live from havana. that's next. i'm terrible at golf. he is. people say i'm getting better.
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like there right now. >> reporter: you're a political guy, so you know that a lot of people never thought this would happen. think about the difference and the divide between our two countries. and here i am, standing on a u.s. cruise ship out of miami. 262 miles later, here we are in the port of havana, getting ready to dock. we're still sitting in the port. a remarkable really change when you consider how divided the countries are, and then, of course, president obama reaches out, there is an agreement, and then in august, the u.s. embassy opens up diplomatic relations return. and now we're at the point where american businesses are bringing people down to step on the cuban soil. officially, they're not tourists. people here can't just go to the beach and drink a mojito. what they can do is a people to people exchange. folks on board the ship here will get a chance to get off, walk around, take an architectural tour, cooking class, dance class, interact with people in cuba.
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some of the people on board, i met two, they're from oakland. they're excited. >> i'm looking forward to seeing the people and the culture and the food. all of that. >> reporter: no disrespect, but you're old enough to remember the cold war. did you ever think this day would come? >> no, no, i didn't. and i'm glad to be on the first group going over. yeah. >> want to get there before burger king shows up. >> reporter: part? >> i want to get there before burger king shows up. >> reporter: and that's a common thing you hear from people. they have seen the pictures of hava havana, they have seen the old cars. and they wonder whether these new diplomatic relations are going to cause a sea change in havana and as across the street country, saying they want to get there before the chains from america invade. that may not happen. the cuban government is not opening up to a capitalistic system overnight here. but this is a significant moment, and for many people on board here, some who are cuban-american, it's a very important moment.
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for one woman i met, the first time she has come back to the country she was born in, left when she was 6 years old. very emotional. and there were some difficulties at one point. the cuban government had an old law on the books that said if you were cuban-beorn, you couldn't return to the country by boat. they changed the law so a half dozen cuban-americans on this vess vessel, as well. >> must be a very emotional day for them. kerry sanders in havana, cuba. an amazing scene. thank you for that, kerry. appreciate it. coming up, we turn back to politics, back to the indiana primary, just a day away now. jobs, as always, a major issue. and trump is focused on companies' shipping plants to mexico. live from the carrier corporation in indianapolis, talking with workers there, a plant closing, being shipped to mexico. more after this.
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the issue of outsourcing a hot topic. the company carrier and its decision to close down its manufacturing plant in indianapolis and move to mexico. this is something donald trump has been rallying against for months. now bernie sanders also joining the criticism. nbc's ron mott is live at the carrier plant in indianapolis. ron, you're talking to union leaders and employees there. obviously, a very personal and emotional issue to them. what are you hearing? >> reporter: no question, it is emotional. and donald trump is in an unusual position as a republican politician to be on the workers' side, the union side of this fight. now this is the carrier plant here, west indianapolis, it's been here since the 1950s. it is going to be closed in about three years' time. 2,100 workers, 700 elsewhere. 1,400 workers here will lose their jobs and donald trump has essentially made this part of his campaign speech, stump speech. here's what he had to say
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yesterday as president trump. take a listen. >> we call -- we say if you leave indiana -- and you could do it now. you really have time. they haven't left yet. you leave indiana, every product that you make that comes across that border is going to be taxed at 35%. do it now! no, no. you do it now. i'm just thinking. first time i've said it, do it now before they leave! >> reporter: all right, now, it's always good from the line. but not necessarily good for him in terms of support for this union. they are backing bernie sanders. bernie sanders was with them friday at a rally. i spoke to a union official early this morning and asked why donald trump did not get that endorsement. here's what he had to say. >> one of the things he said before is, he thinks americans make too much money. that, you know -- that's not good for us. that's one of the factors here. with carrier and their decision. employee wages. so to say, you know, i'm going
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to keep these jobs here, but yet they're making too much money, that just doesn't fit with us. >> reporter: now carrier plans to continue forward with this cost-cutting move to move those jobs down to mexico. it is helping workers with college tuition and things like that over the next few years. they will start phasing these jobs out next year, steve. >> ron mott in indianapolis. thanks for that. ted cruz, he's taking some grief for the past week for calling a basketball hoop a basketball ring. this was as he's trying to woo voters in indiana, a state where basketball is life. basketball has been a huge part of the primary in indiana this week. you've got bobby knight out there with donald trump. so next, we're going to talk to the writer and director of the seminole movie on indiana basketball and high school basketball. and the underdog story everywhere from "hoosiers." they're coming up next.
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we were doing really, really well in indiana, but then i brought out bobby knight and look as these polls! like a rocket. it's like a rocket ship. >> donald trump returns to the campaign trail later today with the general, legendary indiana university basketball coach bobby knight, doing this ahead of tomorrow's pivotal primary in the hoosier state. knight, of course, threw his support behind donald trump last week. he did it in a typical bob knight way. >> i was very, very selective with players during the time i was here. and i'll tell you one thing, that man that was just up here a moment ago, i'll tell you, that son of a bitch could play for me. >> basketball's outsized role in indiana is the reason cruz held a rally where the film
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"hoosiers" was filmed. he tried to quote a line from that movie and flubbed it. >> measure this from the rim. buddy? how far? >> ten feet. >> ten feet. i think you'll find it's the exact same measurements as our gym back at hickory. >> the amazing thing is that basketball ring here in indiana, it's the same height as it is in new york city and every other place in this country. >> and it goes without saying that it is a basketball rim, not a ring. something president obama pounced on at the white house correspondents' dinner on saturday. >> what else is in his lexicon? baseball sticks? football hats?
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but sure, i'm the foreign one. >> joining me now are two guys who know the difference between a basketball rim and a basketball ring. david anspaugh is the director of the movie "hoosiers" and angelo peizzo wrote the movie. welcome to both of you. i'm so excited about this segment. "hoosiers," it is my favorite movie of all time. i know i'm not alone in this. i think it's so cool that this last week "hoosiers" has gotten a role. have you ever heard anyone say a basketball ring? what's it like to see your movie play a role in politics like this? >> no, that's a first, having the ring be -- the rim described as a ring. but quite frankly, both of us feel honored really, the fact that the movie 30 years later is
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still referred to and quoted. so even though it was funny, it's still an honor. >> david, the backdrop for this whole movie is just how much indiana loves the sport of basketball. and you've got cruz trying to incorporate that into his campaign, trump is trying to do that with bob knight out there campaigning with him. you're from indiana, you're in bloomington right now. tell us about that state and its love for basketball. >> well, it's pretty much well known. i mean i grew up in a small town a little larger than hickory, you know, and i played high school basketball. i watched it, you know, as a kid with my mom and dad as i grew up. people talk about it as a religion here. that's not far from the truth, if not the god's truth. and, you know -- wow, i lost it there for a second. where were we? sorry. >> let me ask you -- i mean the
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movie too, because the movie is all about -- it's a great underdog story. it's about indiana, how much indiana loves basketball, but there is something that 30 years later, 30 years in the height of a presidential campaign a major candidate would turn to this movie. there's something timeless about what you did there. >> that's the thing. neither one of us thought when we made it, you know, we've been asked before while you were making it did you think that you had something special there. quite honestly, the film was scheduled to go direct to video and we were lucky, we were hoping that the people of indiana would embrace it, but we never thought that it would have the life, not even remotely, that it's enjoying now. and to come up, you know, again, this is the 30-year anniversary of the release of the film. but to come up in the context that it has arisen is pretty
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amusing. >> i think there's a reason for that. and especially the way in which ted cruz is utilizing the film. there's a certain nostalgia for a time where community had the kind of strength that it did, that institutions were as powerful and insular as they were. early 1950s was the last vestige of true regionalism when there wasn't television. and these basketball teams really were the standard bearers of these towns. and there was a unity and a strength in the support of these institutions and the foundation of things like basketball, high school, churches, communities. and i think that's been missing lately. >> that's a great point. >> yeah, but i think that's where the republican party would like to take us is back to that time. >> and that's part of the trump message a lot of people say. we've got like ten seconds.
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can you just resolve this for me. i've heard people say bobby knight was the inspiration for the gene hackman character. was there any truth to that? >> yes, absolutely, it was. >> there it is. >> he was. >> i've always suspected that. >> woody hayes? >> it was a combination of woody hayes and bobby knight. >> there it is. david anspaugh, angelo pizzo. i wish we could talk for hours about this but thank you for coming up. coming up, much more news and politics. jose diaz-balart with the very latest on the puerto rico debt crisis as well as a look at yesterday's violent mayday protest. stick around. i need to keep organized. school, grocery shopping. my face can unlock this computer. that's crazy. macbooks are not able to do that. "hey cortana, remind me we have a play date tomorrow at noon" i need that in my world. anything that makes my life easier, i'm using. and windows is doing that.
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