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did i get that right. automated dialing announing device. when you get a phone call, pick up the phone and the voice you hear when you answer the phone is something that is not emanating from a live person, it's a recording or like a robot voice or something. that means congratulations, you have been contacted by an automatic dialing announing device. in 1988, the great state of indiana banned that. the idea was sort of a consumer protection thing. the law was aimed mostly at easing people's annoyance with telemarketers, people calling in the middle of dinner trying sell you a time share somewhere. when indiana passed what is an arguably the toughest law banning these kinds of unsolicited phone calls from machines, the ban didn't narrowly target telemarketers
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and also put the ca borb on political campaigns calling to ask for your vote or donation or calling to say though unprintably nasty about some oppoing candidate in some election somewhere. the law went after telemarketers and went after political campaigns. the same law also had an unforeseen but devastating effect on the ability of anybody to conduct public polling in indiana. it's not illegal to poll in indiana. you can still do polls but you have to have a live person dial each individual number and speak one on 2001 any human who answers the phone. that form of live human to human polling, it's fun. if you're lonely, it can be nice to have a live person call you and interrupt your dinner and give you somebody to chat with. live human to human polling can be about 10 times as expensive
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as polling done by machine and you don't get to chat with the potential new friend who called you instead press 1 for john kasich. 2 for jim gilmore and 999 for herman cain. indiana has the strictest law in this nation banning the press 1 to give your answer kind of polling, banning any kind of robocall including robocalls for political polling. indiana takes this law seriously, not a vestige you can look up and a quirk of the law they don't enforce. the attorney general sent out this threatening letter warning political campaigns they should not do any calls in indiana that would violate indiana state law, that means no automated calls promoing a candidate, no automated calls slagging off a candidate and no automated calls to raise money and asking people how they will vote. i'm not kidding. although automated calls are
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legal in some states, indiana has chosen to adopt one of the strictest phone privacy laws possible. if your campaign gives the okay to blast out robocalls to hoosiers, you are disregarding our state law and my office will take swift action to bring you before court. the attorney general notes if you break this law, you could face a $5,000 penalty for each call. because of indiana's peculiar and singular hostility to the automated dialing announing devices among us, that's the reason why honestly we have no idea what's going to happen tomorrow in indiana. since indiana has become so crucial in the presidential nominaing contest in both parties, we have at the last minute had a few polling companies jump in and do surveys in indiana and decided to shell
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out the big bucks to hire live callers to call humans in indiana instead of those illegal but cheap robocalls. the don't have many of those polls, no longer trend data showing trends in the state and who has the momentum during the course of the campaign or up or down, as of two weeks ago, zero polling had been done on the presidential race in either party. now, because indiana has become so critical in these last couple of weeks, there has been some late rush but not a lot. mostly that is because of indiana's super intense anti-robocall law with its $5,000 per call penalty. indiana is also difficult to poll because it's sort of an unattractive target for pollsters for other more naturally occurring reasons. pollsters also don't like to target indiana because there's a
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real risk they will get indiana wrong. for presidential polling in particular, there are two things about indiana that make it hard to do good polling there, even if you are willing to shell out big bucks to hire live humans to do your polling, you still have a couple problems. they don't register by political party, register to vote, don't register as democrat or republican or independent. that makes it hard to target the kind of voters you want to get your simple built around. the second problem is, it's been a dog's age, particularly on the republican side since there was a genuinely contested important presidential primary in that state at a time in the overwhelm primary process when lots of people were paying attention and very motivated to participate. those two factor, a lack of party specific registration information and lack of any modern equivalent for the kind of primaies indiana's ant about to have tomorrow those coupled with there isn't much polling at all because it is so expensive, all those things together make
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it hard to develop good reliable statistically sound models that help you pick a good representative simple of voters that will accurately predict how the whole state will vote on election day tomorrow. in the process of picking the next president of the united states, indiana turns out to be really important this year and if that were not exciing enough because of all this we're super specific stuff of indiana this particular state comes with an extra dose of suspense. a black box. nobody knows what will happen. from the little bit of last minute polling we have and more importantly from the behavior of the candidates right now, some things are starting to become clear in this race. i will talk about the democratic side now and republican side in a moment. on the democratic side, one of the things you will notice on our coverage of the indiana primary tomorrow night, special coverage starting 6:00 p.m. eastern, see you there. one of the things you will notice in our coverage tomorrow,
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even though indiana is the only state voing tomorrow, hillary clinton, democratic front-runner, will not be in indiana tomorrow. instead, she will be in ohio. didn't ohio already vote? usually when candidates choose not to be in the state that's holding an election that night, as the election results come in, if the candidate isn't there, usually because they've gone to the next state down the calendar, due to vote in a couple days or week down the calendar, kind of signals they're looking ahead and moving on. usually it means they expect to lose whatever state is voing that night and expect to do well in the next one and want everybody to focus on that. hillary clinton is very much breaking that pattern tomorrow. she will be in ohio tomorrow. ohio already held its democratic primary way back on march 15th. so think about that strategically. this tells you a little something about what's going on with the hillary clinton for president campaign and their strategy. they're no longer basically bothering what is happening in
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the democratic primary, whatever competition happens to be happening any particular day. hillary clinton will be in ohio team, busy trying to compete already in general election swing states like ohio. the clinton campaign didn't run any tv ads in indiana in advance of this primary in fact they're not running tv ads in any of the remaining democratic primary states at all. today, secretary clinton did not campaign in indiana. i think largely this is to signal they believe they are moving onto the general election part of the campaign. the clinton campaign is basically campaigning as if she's the de facto nominee already. but part of it may also be the clinton campaign doesn't expect to do well tomorrow in indiana. the clinton campaign has been privately down playing expectations in indiana to reporters today. what polling there is in the state shows secretary clinton to
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have a small lead over bernie sanders but whatry are telling reporters today and tonight they are down playing their chances of winning in that state. as i said, hillary clinton is not running any ads, she wasn't campaigning there today and won't be there tomorrow. in contrast jobs senator bernie sanders held three rallies in indiana just today including one tonight with nearly 8,000 people at it. his campaign has run hundreds of thousands of dollars of ads in indiana already. they are very clearly going all out in that state trying to win. he may yet win in indiana tomorrow. no one is quite sure what that means for the end game now with the sanders campaign. senator sanders held a remarkable press conference in washington, d.c. yesterday to mark the one year anniversary of the launch of his presidential campaign. rather than being a nostalgic look back at the past year, senator sanders used the occasion to talk about the way he sees the democratic primary ending. >> let me be very clear.
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it is virtually impossible for secretary clinton to reach the majority of convention delegates by june 14th, that is the last day that a primary will be held. with pledged delegates alone. in other words, once more, it is virtually impossible for secretary clinton to reach the majority of convention delegates by june 14th with pledged delegates alone. she will need superdelegates to take her over the top at the convention in philadelphia. in other words, the convention will be a contested contest. >> the convention will be contested. now yankees this is not the first time that senator sanders has made this argument. he told me here on this show way back on march 17th he expected to see the democratic nomination decide not in the primary
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process but on the convention floor in philadelphia. although he has been raiing this claim for a while now, the implications of that strategy are getting more and more stark. this far down the calendar, when you look at where the numbers are in the democratic race right now, a reporter from the "washington post" had a helpful comparison to help understanding what's going on in the race right now compared to the last contested primary in 2008. it points out the real radicalism of what senator sanders is proposing for how this campaign is going to end. here's the comparison. in 2008, the end of the democratic primary process, barack obama was ahead of hillary clinton among pledged delegates by about 4%. about a 4% lead in pledged delegates. barack obama in 2008 did not clench the democratic nomination ahead of the convention that year at least not in the sense that bernie sanders is defie ing clenching the nomination. barack obama in 2008 did not have enough pledged delegates to
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win the nomination without the superdelegates. that's not surprising. 15% of the delegates in the democratic party are superdelegates. nobody can clench and win the nomination ahead of the convention based on pledged delegates alone with no help from superdelegates unless it's just a huge overwhelming landslide win. barack obama got nowhere near that kind of win in 2008. but under bernie sanders' logic from this year, 2008 would have also been a contested convention, right? he didn't clench the nomination, would need the superdelegates at the convention to put him over, didn't have enough pledged delegates to do it need the superdelegates to put him over and means a contested convention under his logic this year and the reason it wasn't a contested convention in 2008 was hillary clinton did not contest it. even though she had a lead in the popular vote over then senator obama and even though
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barack obama only beat her in pledged delegates by 4% and even though nowhere near clenching the superdelegates at the end of the primary contest, hillary clinton made it clear barack obama had won fair and square and she endorsed him and dropped out of the race and the went to the floor of the convention in denver not to fight for the nomination herself but to personally nominate him for president. it wasn't a contested convention. that's what barack obama did in the last democratic race, with a 4% lead in pledged delegates. right now, hillary clinton has an 11% lead in pledged delegates. so, no, an 11% lead in pledged delegates, that is not a big enough democratic landslide that she's on track to clench the nomination with pledged delegates alone not counting any superdelegates but she is way out ahead by every measure, way way further ahead of senator sanders than barack obama was
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ahead of her in 2008 and senator sanders says he will contest that nomination, won't concede and won't drop out of that race and won't endorse her and he will still be fighting to get the nomination by trying to flip the superdelegates to him at the democratic convention in july in philadelphia. the sanders campaign is increasingly insistent on this point. there had been a little confusion on the top tier of the sansers campaign and heard different things from folks, now the candidate himself made it clear in increasingly consistent terms that what they're going to do is fight to win that nomination at the convention in philadelphia in july, no matter how far ahead hillary clinton is. they are increasingly insistent about it. but it is honestly fan faststy call, which is not the same thing as fantastic. 10 more states wit vote on the
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democratic side including indiana tomorrow and we will see what happens when the numbers come in. but barring a wholesale shift in the race, like an earth shattering shift in the race, secretary clinton's lead, by any fair measure, i think, should be seen as insurmountable at this point. please sent your hate mail to your accusations and swear words do hurt my feelings but they also make me stronger. oh, look... ...another anti-wrinkle cream in no hurry to make anything happen. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair works... one week. with the... fastest retinol formula available. it's clinically proven to work on fine lines and... ...even deep wrinkles. "one week? that definitely works!" rapid wrinkle repair. and for dark spots, rapid tone repair. neutrogena®. "see what's possible."
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well, as y'all know, we're here on the hickory basketball court. and bruce who travels with me, bruce, i want to ask you something. do you have a tape measure with you? tell me something, how tall is that basketball rim? >> 10 feet. >> 10 feet!
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you know, the amazing thing is that basketball ring here in indiana is the same height as new york city and every other place in this country. and there is nothing that hoosiers cannot do. >> ted had a tough week. he went to indiana, hoosier country, stood on a basketball court and called the hoop a basketball ring. what else is in his lexicon? baseball sticks? football hats? but, sure, i'm the foreign one. >> donald trump has accused every one in this race of being a liar.
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donald cannot tell the truth in one minute. >> you'll find out tomorrow indiana don't want you. >> sir, you are entitled to have your -- i tell you what -- sir, america is a better country -- >> without you. >> thank you for those kind sentiments. let me point out i have treated you respectfully the entire time. and a question everyone here should ask -- >> are you canadian? >> ted cruz having a tough time with some donald trump supporters today who are just not having it. the direct quote there was indiana, don't want you. we were talking just a moment ago about the thinness of the polling in indiana for a variety of reasons and we know a little bit about what that means on the democratic side of the race and expectations there. the polls are also thin on the republican side.
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for what it's worth, the prediction markets have been very specific about indiana in the sense they're absolutely collaping for ted cruz. on the eve of this indiana primary, which he described as pivotal and crucial for his campaign, bloomberg politics has been tracking ted cruz's fall in betting and prediction markets. one is called predict-wise. they had a pretty good track record this year. they correctly predicted the winner in 66 out of 77 individual contests this year, in which they've made predictions in the primary. look how their prediction for ted cruz in indiana has fallen over time? on april 7th, they said ted cruz had a 64% chance of winning indiana. then, a little bit -- a couple weeks later, the new york primary april 19th, ted cruz's chances of winning indiana fell below 50% to 47%. as of this weekend, ted cruz's chance of winning indiana had fallen to 9%.
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granted, these are prediction markets but you take data where you can find it. in the gallup data tracking poll how they view various candidates this marked the first time anybody on the republican side surpassed donald trump in terms of how unfavorably they are viewed by republican voters. congratulations, senator cruz, you've now passed donald trump in a poll. people now like euless than anybody else in the republican race. this comes at a time when ted cruz is pulling out all the stops to win indiana. he has done all his tricks. if he was hoing for a bounce in the polls from his big stump announcement of carly fiorina, it is called a dead cat bounce which is not a nice thing to say about either carly fiorina or a dead cat. incidentally, when carly fiorina fell down off the stage today as she was introduing the cruz
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family, the cruz campaign was quick to say she was fine, totally uninjured but, of course, the metaphor will live forever. the other big stunt ted cruz pulled to try to win indiana was to negotiate a big public deal with john kasich to basically clear kasich out of indiana so cruz and trump could have a one-on-one man-to-man contest there. that was supposed to give ted cruz and unbeatable chance, right? of beating donald trump, head to head, man-to-man in indiana. nbc "wall street journal" marist did a poll in indiana asking voters what they thought of that deal between cruz and kasich, 58% of indiana voters said they disproved of that deal and really care about it. more than 1 in 5 indiana voters say that deal was major factor how they made their choice who to vote for. that is just one poll. one piece of data about the tough time ted cruz is having ahead of what is for him a must
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win contest in indiana, a contest if he does not win it a lot of people will start wondering when he is going to get out of the race. that nbc "wall street journal" maris poll, a shame hoosiers don't like that deal he made with john kasich, that polling was obtained painstakingly by live human beings phoing other live human beings in indiana to find out what's going to happen tomorrow. no robots, just people. in terms of really finding out what will happen tomorrow our primary coverage starts tomorrow night at 6:00 p.m. eastern when the first polls close in indiana and at that point we'll know for sure. i'll be right back. e.t. phone home. when you find something you love, you can never get enough of it. change the way you experience tv with xfinity x1.
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arizona republicans had their state convention this weekend and the night before the convention, donald trump's arizona state chairman got himself thrown out of a hotel in downtown mesa, arizona. he and a few other people were tossed out of the hotel after they quote heatedly argued in the lobby over which name should appear at a delegate slate at the arizona republican convention. it was very loud argument with foul language. according to a hotel source quote drinks were flung off a lobby table near the elevators. that same gentleman, donald trump's arizona chair, was also caught on video shouting at his own donald trump staffers for something having to do with the campaign's delegate operation.
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>> you putting names on there you don't even know who they are? that was this weekend. the trump delegate game is still a hot mess. seems like it's a hot mess everywhere. arizona seems like it was particularly hot and particularly messy. >> governor brewer is an example of someone on our slate who is it's not a delegate nor an alternate even though he was selected more than any other. i believe this isn't the only examine of this. >> my name didn't show up on the ballot. >> how do you explain this? >> it's called fraud. >> arizona's former governor, jan brewer, a donald trump supporter, saying technical glitches prevented her from being picked as a delegate. not only did jan brewer not get picked as a delegate this weekend she lost a coin toss that would have made her the first alternate delegate. she picked tails. it was heads. she picked tails. thanks to az for the
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video of her reaction on scene. >> it's wrong. for the record the leaders of the arizona republican party says it was run properly even if it wasn't what donald trump and his supporters wanted. ted cruz cleaned up with his supporters even though donald trump won easily with the voters. arizona this weekend and before that with louisiana, north carolina, south carolina, georgia, this weekend, arizona, also virginia this weekend, ted cruz won 10 of the 13 delegates up for grabs at that state's convention. remember, when trump won virginia. they keep saying they will get better at state conventions and
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hire delegate gurus. pretty clear they're not getting better at this. maybe the whole primary fight on the republican side depends on the hot mess of a game gets played out in delegate rooms and conference conventions all over the place. maybe not. part of the way the trump campaign describe how bad they are at these delegate fights in the state. they basically think it won't matter. they think donald trump will win the nomination outright by winning enough state primaies and caucuses so all this madness who the delegates support in their heart of heart will end up being beside the point and think enough of the delegates will be formally bound to vote for donald trump on the outside of the convention there won't be any horse traing and dealing. is he right? and how much does it depend?
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mark murray, it's really nice of you to be here. the trump campaign is bad at the delegate thing and say it doesn't matter because they will win outright, get 1237. what's your professional view how right they are? >> i'd rather be the trump campaign than cruz. ted cruz has dominated the delegate selection from colorado and arizona a place where donald trump won decisively. where they did do well was unbound delegates in pennsylvania so essential in their math. the one place they needed to do it right in pennsylvania. you look at the math in indiana either by 1 percentage point or 15 percentage points makes his path 1237, the majority you need to wrap up the convention for.make -- puts him on a glide
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path to the first ballot. not only the math the will of delegates. a lot of news organizations called these delegates cruz people and starting to get squishy and warming up to donald trump, well, maybe we need to reflect the will of the voters. this is what happens when you run off six consecutive wins as donald trump has done and tomorrow might be seven. >> although those delegates to the extent their preference matters, they may be in a trump mood today and cruz mood in july, a lot of things could happen between now and then. you're saying in terms of lining up the map -- the math the margin doesn't matter tomorrow? >> it makes it a slam-dunk. here is how the math works if our poll is correct that has him up 15 points he ends up getting all 57 delegates that way you win every one statewide.
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if it's a one or two point race you will see ted cruz and donald trump diviing up the delegates. the lion's share goes to the statewide winner and they eventually give-and-take 57 delegates. what is important to realize about donald trump is i've done and everyone else has done donald trump could get shut out at a flat zero in indiana and still have a path to 1237 but it turns into a 25.3 foot shot he needs to be able to make he has to run the table in california and do well in west virginia and make sure he doesn't lose in any other delegate fights and delegate selection process. indiana, a great night for donald trump, he really doesn't have to worry about what happened in arizona and other places. every delegate does matter, they just end up mattering a little less if he runs the table tomorrow night. >> if he does win in indiana he doesn't need to win in california? >> he needs to win delegates in california.
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you have 172 delegates on the final day of voing on the republican side. it depends how many he has to win. my calculations running things looking at the current polling i project him getting 120 out of 172 delegates. that is a really good share. at the same time, the way the race has gone over the last two or three days he could end up getting 150 or 160 out of 172. if he ends up getting -- if he gets shut out in indiana it means he has to maximize that california haul, the west virginia haul and winner take all in new jersey, every contest matters. if we get to tomorrow night he wins them all i think the republican race looks a lot like the democratic contest it's almost a zombie race, someone is running but the math makes it all but insurmountable. >> no wonder ted cruz looks like he's seen a gulf coast. >> mark murray, msnbc senior editor. you stated it much more clearly than everybody else has.
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1964 was a really good year for advertising, at least it was an ambitious year for advertising.
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extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. moderation and the pursuit of justice is no vir stew. >> -- no virtue. >> in 1964, the republican party ran barry goldwater as their presidential candidate and they got shellacked. in that race between barry gold water and lyndon johnson, interesting there was no television events. but instead some of the most politically aggressive tv ads of all time. we saw a little girl counting daisy petals as a nuclear
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explosion went off. we watched the eastern seaboard being sawed off and falling into the sea. my favorite ad from that incredible election was one we played previously on the show and the response we got when we played this ad was deafening, overwhelming. the ad doesn't have anything stunning going on visually, just a man talking to the camera, shot in one take, straightforward, about four minutes long, incredibly long for a political ad but it is absolutely mesmerizing, and, yes, it resonates a lot, not just about 1964 but about right now. behold. >> i don't know just why they want to call this a confession. i certainly don't feel guilty about being a republican. i've always been a republican. my father is, his father was, the whole family is a republican family.
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i voted for dwight eisenhower the first time i ever voted, i voted for nixon the last time. but when we come to senator goldwater, now it seems to me we're up against a very different kind of a man. this man scares me. maybe i'm wrong. a friend of mine said to me, listen, just because a man sounds a little irresponsible during a campaign doesn't mean he's going to act irresponsibly. you know that theory the white house makes the man. i don't buy that. you know what i think makes a president, aside from his judgment, his experience, are the men behind him, his advisors, the cabinet. and so many men with strange ideas are working for goldwater. you'll hear a lot about what these guys are against. seem to be against just about everything but what are they
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for? the hardest thing for me about this whole campaign is to sort out one goldwater statement from another. a reporter goes to goldwater, senator, on such-and-such a day you said, i quote blah blah blah and goldwater says, i wouldn't put it that way. i can't follow that. was he serious when he did put it that way or sers when he says he wouldn't put it that way? i don't get it. a president ought to mean what he says. president johnson, at least is talking about facts. he says, look, we got the tax cut bill and because of that, you get to carry home x number of dollars every payday and we got the nuclear test ban and because of that there's x% less radioactivity in the food. goldwater, often i can't figure out what goldwater means by what he says. i read now where he says a craven fear of death is sweeping across america.
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what is that supposed to mean? if he means people don't want to fight a nuclear war, he's right, i don't. when i read what he says about total victory, i get a little worried, you know, i wish i was as sure goldwater is against war as he's against other things. i wish i could believe he has the imagination to be able to just shut his eyes and picture what this country would look like after a nuclear war. sometimes i wish i'd been at that convention in san francisco. i mean, i wish i'd been a delegate, i really do. i would have fought, you know, and wouldn't have worried so much about party unity. you unite behind a man and you don't believe him, it's a lie. i tell you, people who got
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control of that convention, who are they? when the head of the klu klux klan, when automatic these weird groups come out in favor of the candidate of my party, either they're not republicans or i'm not. i've thought about just not voting in this election, just staying home, but you can't do that because that's saying you don't care who wins. and i do care. i think my party made a bad mistake in san francisco, and i'm going to have to vote against that mistake on the 3rd of november. >> vote for president johnson on november 3. mistakes are too high for you to stay home. one of the most compelling political ads of all time. don't you want to know what that guy would think of this year's republican race? he's here!
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seriously, that actual guy, i swear. stay right there. he's here next.
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i thought about just not voting in this election, staying home. you can't do that. that's saying you don't care who wins and i do care. i think my party made a bad mistake in san francisco and i will have to vote against that mistake on the 3rd of november. >> vote for president johnson on november 3, the stakes are too high for you to stay home. >> joining us now for the interview i'm very happy to say, the star of that ad, a republican really was in crisis over that. mr. bogaerts. >> thank you for having me. >> you look like the same guy. you still have amazing hair. >> yes.
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>> you've held onto your good looks. are you still working as an actor? >> rarely. >> rarely. >> but sometimes. >> when you got hired for that job, were you a republican and -- >> yes. >> were those thoughts -- how close was that script to your actual feelings? >> identical. yes. because when they hired me to begin with, they were going to use my name. they were going to put william bogert on the screen. i said, well, if you hire me as an actor, i'll say whatever the hell you want me to say. they were frightened by that. so, they went off in a corner and came back and said okay, let's try. so, we did and there was one thing that i wanted changed and i don't remember what it was. but they did make the change.
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>> so, they respected that you wanted to be true to your words there? >> yes. >> what -- has this ad followed you through your career? no, it hasn't. >> no, you're the first one. >> really? >> yes. >> and since you, i don't know how to use a computer. i'm not a 21st century person but it's on the internet and it's gotten over 20 million hits. i've gotten them from all over the country. >> i was watching you watch it in the studio. do you feel like it is a historical piece or do you feel like it resonates with the republican party race or anything in politics right now? >> i'm sorry to say i think it does. because i look at the republican contenders and i say to myself this is the cream of the crop? you've got to be kidding me.
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>> do you have any of the same -- i mean, a lot of people have expressed, not just disagreement with donald trump, but the kind of worry that you said talked about with gold water in '64, that he would be a fundamentally different kind of person to put that close to the oval office, not that he's somebody you would want to vote against but have fear for the country. >> as you know, he's never held any important job of he's never been an executive. it is demonstrated in so many areas is to me, terrifying.
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>> in that election where that ad was run by the johnson forces, i went back and looked at a lot of other republican criticism of the goldwater choice at that time. i was struck by mitt romney's father, he basically said the republican party would be committing suicide if they nominated goldwater. he did go on to get beaten in the general election, but the republican party didn't become i think a fundamentally different thing. does that give you any hope that even if they do pick trump, it will be all right? >> i guess so. i don't know. i don't think i told you this before but as i said in the commercial, brought up republican -- i'm still in fact a registered republican but the last one i voted for was john lindsey when he ran for mayor and then he changed bodies.
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and there is no way that i can visualize myself voting for any of the republicans this year. and it is my hope that the republican party will, in a sense, regresz, and become the republican party that i grew up with, the party of john lindsey and those guys i was totally in favor of. these people, they make me very nervous. >> william bogert, i'm very happy that we found you. and you're as compelling making this cases to me here today as you were in' 64 making that ad. >> that's enormously kind of you. >> we'll be right back.
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update on a story we brought you a few days ago from maine, where paul lepage recently vetoed a bill that would keeps people over dosing alive until they can get to a hospital. governor lepage vetoed that. he says it doesn't merely save lives, it just extends them until the next over dose. so, why bother saving your life, even if we can? why bother? the legislature has now over written that veto. and law makers overwhelmingly said yes to give people access to narcan to save lives, even though lepage doesn't want to.
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maine law makers saw this as life and death. that does it for us tonight. again, a really special thank you to our interoview guest us. again, a special, special thank you to our interview guest tonight. "first look" is up next. it's tuesday, may 3rd. right now, ted's last stand, can cruz stop the trump momentum? a family feud is shaping up over prince's half billion dollar estate. a veritable who's who showed up dressed to impress for the met gala. the theme fashion in the age of technology. what happens when lawmakers don't agree? another teacher sickout for chicago and beating 5,000 to 1 odds. "first look" starts right now. well, good morning. i'm betty nguyen.