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as we begin another hour of coverage on yet another primary night, you may know how we say if you look away for a moment you miss a lot. trump win, sanders wins. cruz is out and, oh, yeah, trump was referred to tonight as the presumptive nominee by the party chairman. let's go into the math.
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this was the news at 7:00 eastern time. our first projection of the night at poll closing. here's the three-way on the republican side, 53% to 37% for now. former candidate ted cruz. john kasich, we haven't heard much from him tonight. we did hear from ted cruz on his way out of the race. >> i'm sorry to say -- >> all: no! >> -- it appears that path has been foreclosed. together we left it all on the field in indiana. we gave it everything that we've got, but the voters chose another path, and so with a
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heavy heart, but with boundless optimism for the long-term future of our nation, we are suspending our campaign. >> all: no. >> but hear me now, i am not suspending our fight for liberty. [ applause ] >> that was tonight in indianapolis. and then a short time ago tonight in new york, midtown manhattan, trump tower, donald trump came forward to the microphone. >> this country, which is very very divided in so many different ways is going to become one beautiful, loving country. and we're going to love each other. we're going to cherish each other. we are going to take care of each other, and we're going to have great economic development and we're not going to let other countries take it away from us. that has been happening for far too many years.
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we are not going to do it any more. we're not going to do it anymore. >> part of donald trump's remarks tonight. then there was the news from the democratic party. that bernie sanders had won the state of indiana. as we said at the time, bad optics for hillary clinton. still a clear electoral path, but bad optics. bernie sanders spoke to his reporters a few minutes ago and said, while his path is narrow, his heart is full, optimism is high. >> and he's had a big night. i mean, indiana is a big state and it's got bump of delegates and the poll iing on the democratic side, polling in indiana is really weird. has a strict state law. we had no polling before two weeks ago in that race, so bernie sanders wins indiana and it matters, and he is talking about momentum. we heard his campaign say on our air last week that
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they think they can win every state on the map in may, in the whole month of may which will give him more momentum into june. the path is he is talking about, is not just a narrow path, it is a mountain goat path up a rocky crevasse. and it hasn't been there for a few years, i mean it's really almost impossible to imagine him putting enough pledge delegates to be leading hillary clinton by the time the democratic party holds its convention. the real hope, i think the sanders campaign would admit is not that they will take the lead, but they will show enough momentum to convince the super delegates they should not give the even though they have the pledge delegate lead, but nomination to clinton, they should instead give it to sanders, on super delegate, him being a general election candidate against trump. that's where the sanders campaign has been now that donald trump is now i guess i can say the de facto nominee,
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is the likely nominee of the republican party. that argument will get sharper and sharper from sanders. >> chris matthews, watching in washington, d.c., remember, it was the democrats who were going to sit back and watch the fight consume time and money in the republican party. tonight, the republican party appears to be the one wrapped up. and the democratic race goes on till june and perhaps beyond. >> right and i want to say something about our system and how it works now and it is new to all of us. there no such thing as an expert on 2016. it is a new political scene. certainly bernie sanders, because he held up high. is emblem matic as a democratic socialist, did very well. the very clear philosophy behind him. he did very well. the country did not erupt. there wasn't a civil war. nobody arrested him,
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there is a free country out there politically. you can run with a new label that challenges tradition. i should say, a system of mixed capitalism, which is what we have. you run as a socialist, bravely so and he's doing well and he's sticking to the fight. the democratic party can absorb that in its wide range of opinion. on the republican side, however, something really dramatic happened. somebody from outside the system and whatever we think of trump and i've always expressed mixed statements about him because he deserves those. harsh and approving in some ways, a party has been taken over by an outsider with no track record politically. the track system is open enough for them to do that. you can run for president without being part of a party and get a nomination. we have an open system, not entirely democratic. we have caucuses and super delegates, exposed this year. i would like to get rid of all of them and just have straight
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primaries and open primaries but we do have an open political system capable of accepting a guy called a democratic socialist, and a capitalist, with no claim to party loyalty, and he has won that party's nomination. a guy from outside the clubhouse in both cases have run really good races this year. someone, inside the club is still the favorite. it is fascinating. no precedent for it. no experts this year. >> incredible point. and to your point, as well, the fact that we basically do have a republican nominee, and we doepn't yet have a democratic nominee. we do have a democrat front-runner. many are starting to talking about a general election matchup. steve kornacki has the first look. >> take a look at what a trump/clinton general election would look like. how could donald trump do it? if he gets elect ed
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president, what would the path look like? it runs counter to everything that we thought we learned after the last presidential election. this was election night 2012. this is what america looks like, the blue obama state, the red romney states, this was obama's win. what was behind obama's win? it was all about demographics. let me show you what i mean. it's about how america has been evolving. this is the percentage, going back to the 1980s. 12% of the voters in the 1980 election were nonwhite. you can see, that number is ticking up over the last generation, and we reached an all-time record in 2012. it was nearly 30%. 28% and that number is only increase. it's going to grow with every election. with that in mind, what happened in 2012? well, this is how different groups voted and what you saw, what republicans saw was mitt romney got nearly 60% of the white vote. and basically in every election in the past, that probably would and could have been enough to win the presidential election, but because the country was becoming
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so much more diverse, no longer was that enough and this became a huge problem for republicans. the latino vote for obama over 70%, a fast growing portion of the electorate. remember this, what did the republican party do. we need immigration reform. what were they thinking about, they were thinking about how can we bring that number down. who got in front of that? marco rubio. he was going to lead the way in the senate, pass immigration reform. solve the demographic problem and become their frontman and do what? lead them to victory with -- fast-groving populations, california, nevada, and that was supposed to be the path but donald trump came along, spoke up for the party base that didn't want that path. had of donald trump will be the republican nominee for president. right now we see in the most recent poll, behind hillary clinton. here you can see a couple problems for donald trump. one that jumps out at you right away.
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romney got 59% among white voters. trump starts out at 47. he is in the exact same hole romney was in when it came to latino voters. if he can win this election, the path will look different than the one they thought they were looking at. four years ago, the republicans talked about florida, talked about virginia, and colorado, and talked any nevada. trump he's going to be playing for the rust belt, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, iowa, wisconsin. these are the states, theiss are states with more white populations. these are noncollege educated whites, more blue collar whites. these are trump's voters and will try to drive up his support there. it is not any winning over latinos, it is about driving up his support with blue collar whites in the rust belt, that will be his game plan. >> steve kornacki, thank you. i can't believe we are thinking about this. we are already thinking about this. in part, that is the way the two remaining democrats fight with each other is
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who fares better against trump. i'm still a little bit melting down. >> i will remind you my colleague that he he volk the fight for 2020. one hit wonders for 40. chuck todd, that is a stunning look at the map and, of course, he's right. you know the map, as well as anyone, but here we slide into general election territory. >> no, we do, and, you know, it strikes me there's another way to look at what this general election will be about which is gut politics versus identity politic, right, the clinton campaign and the democratic party based on what obama did in 2012 is mechanically ready to run probably circles around the republican party and trump's campaign in the idenity idea. talk to humanitarian voters in colorado, single women in virginia. you know,
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hitting different subconstituentny groups within a swing state. donald trump will run that campaign at all. your gut feeling, that is what his campaign has been around. hillary can't just assume to win this the way obama won it with demographics and identity politics four years ago. she also needs to borrow a little bit of bill clinton's ability to essentially be a gut politician a little bit. i think you saw a glimpse of it in her attempt to connect with that coal miner, but, boy, she has a lot of work to do. democrats, not fully cheerleading tonight. that go, yeah, donald trump is going to be easy pickings.
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he's not because hillary clinton is not the most nimble populist candidate herself. >> chuck todd, thank you, mike murphy is also with us tonight. most recently, he ran the bush super pac, right to rise, usa. things bush, things romney. mike, chuck's last point there is the question, how the plouffe modding of kind of dncnerd math will stand up against, would you like a better airport? are you tired of getting kicked around the globe? that kind of an equation. >> well, no doubt trump is in tune with, you know, resentment voters and there are a lot of them particularly across the middle class. trump's problem is he can't get arrested with women voters right now. so if it you do basic back of the envelope math, 30% of the
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electorate is expected to be n nonwhite and underperforms with lati latino, asians and mix race and he has to fix that or of he has to win white voters, or white women by 21, 22 points to get in the hunt here. he might be able to do it, he may be able to bring new white collar men in, a 20-point margin of white women for donald trump? stranger things have happened. but i have to say when i look at the numbers and it kills me as a republican to say this, no losing candidate has ever had a better night than hillary clinton tonight who just lost a primary there is champagne flowing, i'll bet. >> speaking of sprainer things have happened, it was your party that was going to take this fight on into the hot, sweltering summer months. the democrats were going to have this all wrapped up, be able to save their money and energy.
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i wonder whatever happened to that plan? >> this was the year all plans got blown up, although, somewhere governor kasich is putting on his crash helmet to take his turn at the buzz saw and we have nebraska and west virginia coming up. it may be interesting to watch. he is getting what he wants, the one-on-one with trump. the crusher who's been through everybody else. we'll see. i mean, it is pretty much right. i don't see a way that he is not the nominee at this point. we'll have a month now, of trump out there until the last contest in new jersey, and california, where the general election begins, it begins tomorrow morning, and the clinton people will have to figure out how to handle trump without having clinton turn into a shouting insult comedian which would be bad for her. they have a lot of advantages but this is going to be tricky for them. >> you mentioned john kasich there. i was thinking about john kasich's role in the race.
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he technically still standing. his campaign put out a statement that he is not going anywhere. and i started wondering about you and the jeb bush super pac and all the money you had and all you spent. you spent so much money against trump and the other candidates. the money that was supposed to all help jeb only got him as far as south carolina. do you wish that he spent all that money differently and be in hibernation and he'd still be standing like john kasich right now? >> i've gone over it a hundred times in my head and the truth is -- and jeb and i have talked about this. we could have done a hundred things ta s tactically differen. fundamentally, the voters were looking for a grievance campaign. that to his credit is not jeb bush. they weren't buying what we were selling. i think we were selling the right thing. i am proud, we tried. primary voters get to have what they wanted.
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we are refunding money we left over to our donors and we had an amplifier but we didn't go there. trump had one, a stronger one than cruz and got him the nomination, and now i think he will get his clock cleaned by hillary. now we're stuck with hillary. a lot of depressed republicans. we have the stakes that couldn't be higher. but we want to only be listening to zager and evans. blues will make it come back -- >> it is like what is in your wallet commercial. you should have advertised as the only pac to give you cash back. could be a thought for the future. >> over $13 million going out next week. >> mike murphy -- >> i wish we could have used it to win. >> a good republican who has been able to safely find his way into boston under cover of darkness. mike, thank you very much for being with us. another break. we're back to talk about what's
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going on in the democratic race right after this.
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we're back. there was the first race we called tonight. it turns out, as indiana goes for the republican party, so goes the likely nominee. he was called tonight by reince priebus, the gop chairman, the presumptive nominee. nbc news and msnbc prefer the word likely nominee until we have wording to the contrary. late into the evening went that race until we called for bernie sanders. not an impediment to hillary
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rodham clinton. bad optics. he talked about a narrow path. as we toss to chris matthews in washington, chris, i just feel the need. i think we're duty bound to tlkk about the one factor in life and these things that veterans remember, and that's the role of exigency, personal health, national emergency, so much. you know, a week is a year in american politics. so much could happen. nothing is for sure. these are the cards we have been dealt as of tonight. november is a long way away. >> you speak of exogenous variables. those that may come in it. i have joey reed here. talk about the democratic race. it doesn't seem as sealed as the republican race. no reince priebus coming forward. debbie wasserman hasn't --
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there it is, here we are. >> it is a fight. bernie is still fighting. >> he is still fighting. i think that math told us what is going to happen for some time, since march. you have a part that wants to play this out further. and bernie standers voters are persistent. and also hillary clinton in some ways -- >> she's been great -- >> is deciding not to fight them. they are deciding not to fight them. they don't want to alienate the voters. and so they're not particularly fighting. >> well, let me ask you a question. think this question haunts us. all the polling shows that bernie is a winner in a general election against trump, dramatically so. many think hillary is a better candidate. explain. who is the stronger candidate? is there any way to have a metric for that? >> i think hillary is the stronger candidate. the reason is we are not taking into account the individuals -- if it's bernie against trump, there are independent and republicans that just don't want to vote for trump, but bernie, a lot of policies are left,
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incite them to vote for him not for hillary. i think that at the end of the day, people talk about the coalition and people of color with bernie, they undervalue the wave of individuals that are going to wake up tomorrow, and say holy moley, it is trump. they are actually going to start voting for whoever the democratic person is. what i keep saying we'll about to relive a proposition 187 moment in california where it turns california solidly blue. we're about to experience that on a national level. >> turned arizona blue for a white. >> bernie sanders is a largely unknown quantity in the sense there's not a single negative ad about him. he is a place holder. he is something that has had negative attacks, there are things written in the past, that -- once you have litigated bernie sanders,
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affirmatively litigate him the way the trump campaign would, the poll numbers, positive coverage. he's a place holder for the disenchantment that a lot of democrats and independents and young people people about the process, and the democratic party. he isn't a whole person yet. one he is a whole person that's a lot different. >> what he has been able to do effectively is move hillary to the left. whether she likes it or not to bring in the coalition. >> how does she do that so as not to appease him? is there a way to accommodate the social udemocratic concerns, without signing on to his particulars, if she does that, they will nail her. >> she needs them. sparked interest in those who don't participate in politics. people who are poor, and of color. i have to balance that fine line because trump is such an unlikeable character. >> you don't think trump has a chance in the general? >> not a chance.
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>> not a chance? >> not a chance. >> what do you think, joy? >> i look at it this way, look at the state that is barack obama with his white voters in general. look at them he won in 2012. tell me four that hillary clinton can't win. barack obama got blown out with white voters and white women and won by 5 million votes. people of color will be an increasing percentage in the electorate. 30% of the electorate. donald trump will get almost nothing. >> donald trump can't win? so donald trump can't win. i want to hear from you joy. >> you never say can't in politic. >> why not? >> i think it's highly unlikely. >> the only way he has a chance it's the first year we won't have voting right protections, and we're seeing people already being turned away from the poles, and it is up to the individuals doing the work in the campaigns to ensure they are protected with it. >> let's talk about the end game for bernie. bernie will go to the convention and use it.
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he'll get an hour and use it and get tremendous applause. the republicans will watch it too. is that the end? he gets his hour. >> he gets his hour but bernie sanders goes back to the senate a much more influential figure. issues on the table, democrats can't go back to the right and try to trang triangulate against the bernie sanders ideas they'll have to go left to some of the things he cares about. hillary clinton is part of the way there. >> left on foreign policy -- fat chance. fat chance. >> i think she will have a running mate. watch for her running mate to be in the sanders mall. >> black lives matter, not only is it behind bernie sanders but elizabeth warren has paved the way. >> the republican convention in cleveland will be contentious. back to brian. >> chris, a point of personal privilege, my greetings to maria theresa
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and thanks for being so great during the pope's vist, my mike was open a few minutes ago, a national audience heard me say that joy reed has done great work during this election, so the cat is out of the bag. there it is, america. i mean it truly. >> thank you, brian. thank you very much. >> before we go to a break we want to show you the new york tabloids which remaining true to their new york culture, there is "the daily news," labeled republican party 1854 to 2016 and, dearly beloved, those two words we associate more with the passage of prince than anything else. and this joins on newsstands tomorrow morning, the cover we showed you earlier, who's your daddy? "new york post." two papers, two different styles, a couple of big stories tonight. we are back to cover all of it.
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we are back on a big night, and, remember, these are four loose headlines, loose headlines, trump wins, sanders wins, cruz out, and trump is called the presumptive nominee by the chairman of his own party. >> and now look ago head -- >> likely. >> that's nothing to sneeze at but looking down the road toward
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a likely general rex matchup, one of the issues which todd highlighted was the issue of the unfavorable ratings among both donald trump and hillary clinton. and what that races in practical terms is the prospect that there might be either protest voting or crossover voting, some interesting mixes up of the partisan lines for candidates who are viewed by their own parties in ways that are more complicated than they are enthusiasmic. steve kornacki has been looking at that in terms of how it played out in indianapolis. >> may or may not be some estate we're talking about this fall. we did ask the questions of republicans, if donald trump is the nominee in the fall, what are you going to do? the good news, 3/4 said they would probably vote for him. the bad news, basically a quarter of republicans said they
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won't for him. if you closer look, they won't for them. the number not quite as high but still 18% of democrats in indiana saying they wouldn't vote for hillary clinton if she's the nominee this fall. one other thing, it's a national poll and asked republican as cross the country, would you feel dissatisfied in these candidates was the nominee. look at this. the smallest number is actually donald trump. so you can look at all of the potential damage donald trump does to the republican party in terms of it's going to be difficult to unite it. not like they were going to be any more easy to unite if they nominated cruz or kasich and one of the biggest dilemmas they had. steve, thank you. steve is just one of our contributes. we are at full capacity according to the fire marshal.
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nicolle wallace is here, lawrence o'donnell is here with us and from our live studio at least 50 feet away, we have someone from "the new york times." michelle bernard is with us. she is a columnist and author and the next guy we'll talk to michael steele. former lieutenant governor and, michael, here is the question, would you recognize your political party in a police lineup? >> hell no. >> thanks, that's foul for night, good night, everybody. take care of your bartenders and waitresses. >> no, we are watching an enormously important transformation right now that's occurring and it's really at the hands of one man. who is not only transforming the gop, but is transforming our
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nation's politics, that i think of a lot of us are going to try to figure out what to do with, as we go through this election process. what you saw tonight is a stunning example of what donald trump can do and why this fall, i tell a lot of my democrat friends, be careful what you wish for. because donald trump will make this an asymmetrical presidential campaign as he's made it an asymmetrical party. he is not playing by the rules written by the parties, and the people like that,and as long as they like it and are animated by that, it makes it an unpredictable race. i am not saying what everybody doesn't know. the reaction you're getting from the establishment players you would think you would figure out out. >> your point is, be careful what you wish for. and democrats guarding against cockiness on the notion of a hillary versus trump general. >> you know, i think there's
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been so much glee almost at this point on the democratic side about trump. i think it miss says the fact, while sanders had an appealing message, he was not a deft and adaptable candidate, and trump s he has and he'll be able to owned the idea of being a rich, powerful man who wants to use that to save powerfulless, and hillary has not successfully owned being a member of that upper strata of the world who has a narrative about how that helps her save you. and i have to say sh, watching tonight, i think of the founders of this amazing country. i think of my parents and millions of immigrants who have come to this country. i think of the american soldiers who saved the world 71 years ago. and i don't think very many of them would recognize the
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direction the night has taken. >> michelle, is that a good thing or a bad thing? >> you know, it's a mixed bag, brian. i would say overall as reince priebus said tonight, the presumptive nominee, despite the fact we are looking at donald trump as the presumptive republican nominee. we have seen politics as we know it completely turned on its head. traditionally whether we're talking about democrats or republicans, are we looking at party unity or are we looking at party purity? and what the american electorate has told us for all intents and purposes, it don't matter anymore. i think we'll see them self identify as independents. the american electorate has said for better or worse a pox on both of your houses. applications as we have come to know them aren't doing anything
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successfully that has helped the loss and annihilation of working class jobs across the country. the annihilation of the public school system, letting so many down. and rather than vote -- vote as we would assume people would normally vote in an election year, people have decided to go against politics as we know it, in indiana tonight they voted in a democratic -- a self-appointed or self-identified democratic socialist for the democrats and donald trump who is neither a conservative or a republican or fits within any real political mode to be the standard barrers in determining what western civilization looks like a few months down the line. >> michael steele, when i say republicans for hillary, what do you say? >> it's crazy. but possible. >> there were once democrats for reagan.
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>> i think democrats for ronald reagan is an easier sell than republicans for hillary. it goes back to what was said before about how hillary plays it out. if hillary can find a little populist streak, a little bit of that empathy, a little bit of being a sense of being a part of the every man and woman, then, yes, i think a lot of republicans, on foreign policy or economic issues, could find themselves supporting her. i think at the end as this thing becomes the horse race that it will be, brian, when voters are judging two people who by every poll says they don't like them, they are going to look at those thing surface are intangible and that's where donald trump will have an edge. stsz that intangible side of him, his personality, his mannerisms, his message that resonates with voters day in and day out and this will make it a competitive race going forward. >> i'll go to one of those
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soccer trophy places to make most honest guest of the night. former rnc chairman, michael steele. when we come back we have lawrence o'donnell here. we have nicolle wallace and our road warriors, the collects correspondents who just so happen to be in new york with us tonight. so much more when our coverage continues.
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we are back, and we are going to jump up one floor in this grand floor at 30 rockefeller plaza and take advantage of the fact that so many correspondents are in from the road. starting with katy tur, who covered donald trump since june. kasie hunt, covering bernie sanders, and kelly o'donnell, covering all of it.
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and, kasich -- kasie, i feel like we should start with you just because the bernie sanders story was threatening to be buried by the language calling donald trump the presumptive nominee tonight. so interesting, when he talks about his narrow path forward but his resolve to stay in it. >> a very narrow path forward, brian and, of course, to all of you fellow road warriors, and, kristen, i know you covered this race extensively. the republican race is over, the democratic race fighting on, not sure any of us expected that, sanders calling it a shot in the arm. he continues on, the way ted cruz was heading on into this contest. such a narrow path for him. and very little chance to bit hillary clinton.
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>> and the clinton campaign, i think surprised by tonight's events, she has started to pivot to the general election. then we got the news that ted cruz drops out. earlier today, she all but mapped out her strategy to take on donald trump. then she had this loss in indiana which she was prepared for, by the way, but senator sanders defiantly again saying he'll stay in the race and, of course, he's staying he'll contest it all the way through the convention makes it tough for her to do a complete pivot. >> it's a real disadvantage because donald trump is now bringing bernie sanders into his own campaigning. >> that's right. >> and use some of his attacks on hillary clinton saying that she's not qualified to be president, and bringing them into his attacks and so before she can fully pivot towards trump she still has to fight off sanders. >> my question is, at what point does pressure so great?
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if trump is able to consolidate -- i remember covering chris christie's announcement. how much it has changed on the republican side as well. >> how big tonight is in terms of the surprise factor. we did not think it would be sewn up tonight. we prepared for the contested convention. we all talked about the things we would need to learn about that process and, boom, it's over. >> we were hunting delegates. >> yes, yes. >> adamant about not getting out of the race no matter what. that campaign did not expect to lose by that wide of a margin. but ultimately i mean he couldn't save face with that and he has a chance now to a gracious exit that he showed tonight. when your supporters are in pain, cheering you not to get out, that is actually a good thing. it reveals that people arepassionate about you. there's a future. he is only 45 years old.
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he has more opportunities. >> you heard in the audience, the groans from his supporters. >> we saw others where there was not such a gasp in the room. >> going forward, what is the future of the republican party? i'm already talking to people, operatives who are saying, look at what donald trump -- forget his personality and the stuff we talk about every day. his policy positions on the three core pieces of that, fiscal conservative and foreign national conservatism. what do the delegates do on the floor? for the people making up the stop trump movement that seems to effectively died today, is there a revolt on the floor because in no way does he line up with any of those policies. >> the gop strategy ifs i've been talking to say there is no way it will happen. ultimately, nobody will want to divide the party more than it is divided.
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they will fall behind donald trump. the reality is -- they want to get closer to the source of power. donald trump is the presumptive nominee, according to reice primus. he is already starting to look at vp choice as cording to two sources i've been speaking w the question is will he go with somebody that will help mitigate his losses with unfavorables with women or go with someone with foreign policy. >> very quickly before we wrap because we only have a few seconds left, katy, how does he deal with this? presidential, nonpresidential. and then he slips back into donald trump and that is what terrifies the establishment. >> he doesn't want to be told how to behave. and tonight we saw a different donald trump. we saw him begin to mitigation. there was no lyin' ted. he instead complimented him for being a tough fighter. i'm told there are relationship people calling the trump campaign to bridge an uncomfortable position. >> republicans want to win.
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>> vp, christie? >> there will be a number of names and the big question, can he continue to appear as he did tonight, as you pointed out. he did wane in some of those comments. >> brian, we will toss it back to you. this race just keeps getting more interesting by the day. and now, undoubtedly, we are seeing the general election come >> thank you. i know it is cleaning time in the newsroom but four women eating out of vending machine, living out of suitcases this big for month, you'd never know it. thank you all, our rogue warriors in new york. another break for us, and we will be right back after this.
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we are back and we keep reminding ourselves. i have been anxious to lehear y loud. >> it could be led by george will. his column was and make sure trump loses all 50 states. so, that trump and trumpism can be flushed from the republican party. the job becomes hold hillary clinton to one term as
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president. that is where he begins, so the idea that you know, in effect, republicans for hillary will be a small or hard to find phenomenon. it will be big invisible. >> is that is the definition of making chicken salad out of another part of the chicken. >> so we started this season joking about my ten-step program to accept trump. it's good thing i started then. george will be getting a jump on this. it will be large and loud as the republican establishment tends to be. i think gop voters as we have seen in a lot of steve kornacki graphs will fall in line. i think this exacerbates. if george will is correct and it has the same sentiment as he does, it will only further cement sort of the breakup between the gop establishment and the gop base. and trump for his part is going to start looking more traditional. he will never sound traditional.
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he is trump. he will start doing traditional things, i asked him tonight, what is happening tomorrow? they will start hiring national positions. >> staffing up. >> they still have a very shockingly lean staff so i think that voters will just further separate away from the gop establishment. >> the other part of the will argument is that the current job is to save all these senators who are now at risk because of trump being at the top of the ticket. save governors, save the down ticket races. the senate is in serious jeopardy for the republicans with trump at the top. >> and the house. >> yes, and the house. >> that's why we're lucky it's still so relatively early. our coverage will continue on into the evening. i dare say. >> we are there already. i swear.
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good evening. i'm chris matthews. a big night for republican politics. the takeover is complete now. it's trump's republican party. ted cruz crashed and burned in indiana today. and he announced he's suspending his campaign. >> from the beginning i said i would continue on as long as there was a viable path to victory. tonight i'm sorry to say --

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